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Speaker 1: Hello, my love. It is La La Keent with Randal.

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Speaker 2: We are back for another exciting episode. First, I want

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Speaker 2: to just say, so nobody forgets we are going on tour.

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Speaker 3: That is right, That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's it's up. Give them Lala with Randall is going

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Speaker 1: on tour. Give them Laalat with Randall Live. You can

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Speaker 1: get your tickets at give them live dot Com and.

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Speaker 3: There you go. You go to there. What say one

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Speaker 3: more time, just case saying to.

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Speaker 1: Hear you give them live dot com and.

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Speaker 3: Here are our cities that we are going to tell

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Speaker 3: you to not miss.

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Speaker 2: Our cities are November thirtieth, Dallas, Texas December one, Austin,

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Speaker 2: Texas December two, Houston December third, New Orleans, and then

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Speaker 2: we go from there to beautiful Fort Lauderdale on December fifth, Clearwater,

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Speaker 2: Florida December sixth, Orlando Home with Disney World on December eighth,

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Speaker 2: and if you're lucky to catch our season finale, go

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Speaker 2: to Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: That's what's up. And just a quick reminder that DJ

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Speaker 1: James Kennedy will be with us for all of the

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Speaker 1: Texas dates, and Jackson, Brittany and hopefully Baby Cruz will

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Speaker 1: be with us throughout our Florida dates, and.

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Speaker 2: We have one new surprise to add to the tour,

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Speaker 2: which we will continue to add tour surprises.

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Speaker 3: We have the.

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Speaker 1: Bachelorette Hannah Godwin.

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Speaker 3: We have Hannah and her man.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we have we have Hannah Godwin and her dude, Dylan.

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Speaker 1: We're super hyped about that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and by the way, Hannah Godwin will be joining

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Speaker 2: us for in Florida for the segments of get to

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Speaker 2: Know Your Partner, So they're going to try to oust

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Speaker 2: us with knowing each other. We're going to try to

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Speaker 2: ouse them and we're going to see what couple knows

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Speaker 2: each other better. But we're also gonna have guests from

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Speaker 2: the audience coming up participating as well.

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Speaker 1: I know it's gonna be so much fun. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be super interactive. I'm trying to kick it with you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I don't just want to like stand on a stage

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Speaker 1: and look at your faces. I really, I know you're

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Speaker 1: gonna go on tour if you.

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Speaker 3: If you can't tour with the people, well.

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Speaker 1: Because here's the thing, Rand, I'm gonna be real without

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Speaker 1: the people that come to the tour, without the people

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Speaker 1: that you know watch the show. I don't get to

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Speaker 1: like have the things that I have. So it's important

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Speaker 1: for me to get to like know the people that they.

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Speaker 3: Support your businesses, your brands, and by the way.

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Speaker 1: They support me as a human, like the amount of

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Speaker 1: people that reached out to me, like when I can

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Speaker 1: when we conceived Ocean, when my dad passed away. Like

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Speaker 1: these people are ride or die for La La, and

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Speaker 1: I really fucking love them.

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Speaker 2: I gotta say, I can't relate to any of this support,

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Speaker 2: but I do have.

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Speaker 3: You know how many friends I have? I think by

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Speaker 3: the way I was.

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Speaker 2: I was at one of the vander Pop restaurants recently

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Speaker 2: and I had over seven people come.

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Speaker 3: Up to me.

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Speaker 1: So why that you counted?

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Speaker 3: Don't show with me?

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Speaker 2: No, I think I have twenty fans. Now I went

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Speaker 2: from four to nine and I think I have twenty.

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Speaker 2: So I contribute a little bit to your fan base.

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Speaker 1: I love that. So today is super you guys. I

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Speaker 1: never get intimidated by anybody that we have on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: and I won't even lie. I've like broken out into

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Speaker 1: Colt sweats because we have Catherine Power.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and by the way, I'm a.

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Speaker 1: Good clot baby, give her a good.

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Speaker 2: Class, no, But I'm excited about Catherine because because this

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Speaker 2: is a special guest.

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Speaker 3: That we were very lucky to get.

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Speaker 2: Catherine is a power player in the entrepreneurial space. She

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Speaker 2: has built incredible brands. She's actually, believe it or not,

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Speaker 2: and Laala. People don't know this, but this is one

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Speaker 2: of Lala's biggest role models. Because as Lala is building

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Speaker 2: your as you're I'm talking about you here.

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Speaker 3: Not here, as you're building.

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Speaker 2: Your platforms, She's the kind of CEO and boss that

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Speaker 1: So no big deal, no big deal, let's start just

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Speaker 1: Cameron Diaz. I know it's really incredible. So before I

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Speaker 3: Apparently are you spilling tea right now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So this troll who goes by the name of Kelly

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Speaker 3: But who is that? Who is Kelly Dodd? Because I

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Speaker 1: She used to be on Real Housewives of Orange County. Okay,

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Speaker 1: she got fired, and God what I would give to

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Speaker 1: when you mess up rand and people like you have repercussions,

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Speaker 1: you learn from the behavior, right, Yeah, of course she doesn't.

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Speaker 1: But I have a question, and I want to know why.

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Speaker 2: Okay, stop person, because I'm lost, because I don't really

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Speaker 2: know all the tea because you're spilling, So you want

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Speaker 1: She'll never do it, but I would love it if

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Speaker 2: You're are you officially inviting this person on our podcast

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Speaker 2: that you have beef with?

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Speaker 1: I don't have beef with her. She has beef with me,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know why what?

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Speaker 1: So it started with we had Nick Ritchie on a

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Speaker 1: and Nick Ritchie was like, I didn't know you had

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Speaker 1: Then she fucking which I was just sent this, by

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Speaker 3: So what did you say it upset her?

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Speaker 1: I don't know how I'm still recognized right she's.

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Speaker 2: Treating this article right now, Lalla, fireback. Oh no, this

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Speaker 3: Oh. This started in October of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Wait it did. That's news to me.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's something that she did. Okay, sorry, you

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Speaker 2: just fired back about Okay, so here's the thing. Let

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Speaker 2: didn't know you have a beef with this Kelly Dodd.

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Speaker 3: She came for you.

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Speaker 2: She posted a picture of Gullum. She said, do you

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Speaker 2: so you're not a monster.

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Speaker 1: I think it was more about the physical appearance.

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Speaker 3: But okay, so what so keep in mind on the

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Speaker 3: Say it or not?

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Speaker 1: Kelly Dodd hit a bit up man, like I got

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Speaker 1: to pick your brain. You're a fascinating human to me,

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Speaker 1: and I know you have a lot of time on

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Speaker 1: your hands now, so please fucking be on my podcast.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that was what you would call it, dig is it? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I just wanted you to invite her. Come on, Well listen.

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Speaker 3: All I want to say is I don't know Kelly Dodd.

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Speaker 2: I don't know any of this except what I just

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, you invite her

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Speaker 2: the way, do you think maybe you guys could be

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Speaker 2: Could I broke her up? Peace treaty between you two

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Speaker 1: I think we would say, like we like she here's

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Speaker 1: I don't have a beef with her at all.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm confused why I want I want to pick

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Speaker 2: A beef with you, You've now invited her on our podcast,

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Speaker 2: and I am hoping that through this peace treaty, you

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Speaker 1: You have to know, like, because people asked me, how

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Speaker 1: So this is like whatever like, Kelly Dodd, please come

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Speaker 2: So by the way, So what I get from this

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Speaker 2: even started for her and then you guys, can.

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Speaker 1: I tell you what I think it was? Do you

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Speaker 1: remember when we were in Puerto Rico when we were

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Speaker 1: talking to Bronwyn and we were saying, like, because Kelly

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Speaker 1: remember this? And we were like, you can't come for

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Speaker 1: someone who's like trying to get sober or is continuing

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Speaker 1: to be sober. That's the only thing I can think of.

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Speaker 1: But you know, she'll be on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: You guys will sort it out right here. I think

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Speaker 2: this is great. I think it's a nice platform for

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Speaker 2: you and her to get on.

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Speaker 1: This is my prediction. She won't do the podcast, but

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Speaker 1: after she hears this, she's going to come for me

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Speaker 1: on her Instagram. Okay, that's my prediction.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you my prediction what my prediction is

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Speaker 2: she hears this podcast, she hears my voice or reason,

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Speaker 2: and I believe that she will accept her invitation because

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Speaker 2: she she probably has a reason for whatever it started.

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Speaker 2: And then you guys will talk and I think you

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Speaker 2: guys will be friends after That's my prediction. So let's

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Speaker 2: see you is right. I'm betting that Kelly Dot's going

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Speaker 2: to come on and be cool and talk to you,

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Speaker 2: and you guys are going to figure it out. Your

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Speaker 2: prediction is she's going to take it to the GRAM

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Speaker 5: chemistry school or having been a makeup artist for example.

442
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 4: The world today allows you to do that.

443
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 5: It doesn't mean you could just wake up one day

444
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Speaker 5: and decide you want to do it with no passion

445
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,679
Speaker 5: or interest or willingness to learn. I mean, when Cameron

446
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 5: and I wanted to make a wine brand, we knew

447
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 5: nothing about the alcohol industry.

448
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 4: We knew about the.

449
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 5: Consumer, okay, and so what we did is we set

450
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 5: out and we would we took a meeting with anyone

451
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Speaker 5: who would ever meet with us that remotely was connected

452
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Speaker 5: to alcohol or that industry, and we would just start

453
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 5: asking questions and learning. I mean, I do think certain

454
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Speaker 5: categories are saturated, but I also think that, you know,

455
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 5: the way that the world is now, we're going to

456
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Speaker 5: have like fewer multi billion dollar brands and a lot

457
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Speaker 5: more sort of smaller brands that meet you know, consumers

458
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 5: where they are so much more niche. And I think

459
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Speaker 5: that's you know, the consumer demand has what's really resulted

460
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Speaker 5: in so many brands coming to market with so many

461
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Speaker 5: different points of view.

462
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Speaker 4: And I think as.

463
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Speaker 5: Long as you do have a really unique point of

464
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 5: view and a unique position in the market, you know,

465
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 5: you can make room for yourself.

466
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Speaker 1: Right, you feel like you have to also be an

467
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Speaker 1: expert with branding because we we live so much, you know,

468
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: on our phones, with social media, and you know, even

469
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: though I am a part of that generation who should

470
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Speaker 1: be fantastic at it, I actually really suck at it.

471
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Speaker 1: And I wish that it wasn't such a huge part

472
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Speaker 1: of you know, the day to day and selling. And

473
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Speaker 1: I hear you it's a real bitch Catherine.

474
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Speaker 5: I know I'm personally not great at it, you know,

475
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Speaker 5: for the brands, I hire the people that really get

476
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Speaker 5: it and understand it and just totally let them do

477
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Speaker 5: their thing.

478
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Speaker 4: I would probably be so much more successful if I

479
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 4: did lean in a little bit more personally, But I

480
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 4: just it's not organic to who I am. So I

481
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 4: totally get it right.

482
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,959
Speaker 1: And you had posted a story This had to have

483
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Speaker 1: been a few weeks ago, and I think it was

484
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: your husband who was talking about how gender roles really

485
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Speaker 1: don't exist in your households. Yes, yes, I love that

486
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: so much. Can you expand on like what your day

487
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: looks like and like what your husband takes on that

488
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 1: most people would say, oh, that's a quote unquote woman's job,

489
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Speaker 1: Like what does it look like at your house?

490
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Speaker 4: So I think, you know, for one thing, my husband

491
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 4: grew up with a mom.

492
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 5: Who ran her own business, you know, was definitely a career,

493
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 5: you know, driven woman. So I think he's really comfortable

494
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Speaker 5: with that. I mean, he literally started dating me the

495
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Speaker 5: moment I decided to start who what where?

496
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Speaker 3: Oh wow?

497
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Speaker 5: So he's been through you know, everything with me, and

498
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Speaker 5: you know, we've gone through so many different phases of

499
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 5: him you know, helping to support me in the early

500
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Speaker 5: days when we were just funding at ourselves and you

501
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 5: know what, weren't taking a paycheck.

502
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Speaker 4: And now he's.

503
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Speaker 5: Doing a startup, so I'm able to support him where

504
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Speaker 5: well he can just take the time to do that.

505
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Speaker 4: And you know he.

506
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 5: Has, he's been an advertising photographer and director and you know,

507
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 5: kind of developed this passion for cooking on the side.

508
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 5: It really accelerated during COVID. So now he's you know,

509
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 5: he cooks. I do not cook, what's all. And now

510
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 5: he's kind of turned that into a business. He's launching

511
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 5: a food line and you know, I have a four

512
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 5: year old son, and you know, he's obsessed with Disney

513
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 5: princesses and Elsa and you know, jewelry and and hair

514
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 5: accessories and so you know, it's not what you would

515
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 5: traditionally expect or historically expect, and it works so well

516
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Speaker 5: for our family.

517
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Speaker 4: It's so special.

518
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Speaker 5: You know, we love our son and it's just a

519
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 5: real it's just you know, I guess I think that's

520
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Speaker 5: what he meant when you know, he said things are changing,

521
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Speaker 5: and he thinks it's a good thing.

522
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Speaker 1: I fully agree. I mean, I think it's absolutely spectacular

523
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Speaker 1: when you see a man like really supporting his wife

524
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: while she goes out and does the things that you do.

525
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure he's so proud, and what an

526
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: epic example for your son.

527
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and it is.

528
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 5: You know, it is a full time job to be

529
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 5: in a relationship with an entrepreneur, and you know, with

530
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 5: someone with really bold ambitions.

531
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Speaker 4: You know, he's totally.

532
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 5: You know, just probably very comfortable with with you know,

533
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 5: what he's doing right now in our life.

534
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Speaker 4: And I'm just always like driving for more. He puts

535
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 4: up with that, and so no, I.

536
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Speaker 3: Love it like that too.

537
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: I say, I cook and I clean, No kidding, I

538
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: don't do anything of us star.

539
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: By the way, La La bullshited me, just so we're

540
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 3: all clear, and I will.

541
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Speaker 1: I did totally.

542
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Speaker 3: She costs me two one one thousand dollars.

543
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 2: So she looked at me and she's and I said, babe,

544
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: you know like when I met her kind of similar.

545
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 2: She was just starting on the SHO Show. She was

546
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 2: just she had all these dreams and ambitions. And when

547
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: I met her, She's like, Babe, I want to start

548
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 2: a skin a makeup brand. I was like, oh, that's great,

549
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 2: and just out of the gate, you know, needed my

550
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: support and love and cheerleading. And I did it because

551
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: I knew she was a boss. So I wasn't even

552
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 2: a question. And I said, can I invest in in

553
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 2: this thing? Because I know whatever she does, she's going

554
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: to drive it home. And I was like, she's definitely

555
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: gonna take my money. And she came home like a

556
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: few days later and she's like, baby, you know, I

557
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: really love you and I just need your support, but

558
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 2: not financially. And I was like, what, You're not gonna

559
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: And I was so like bent. And now she's turned

560
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 2: into a multi million dollar business. I'm so proud of her.

561
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: It is, baby, it is. She downplays it, but but

562
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: the thing is, I'm so proud of her. She did

563
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 2: it all on her own, didn't. I mean, you know,

564
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 2: with my emotional support, but not. But did it all

565
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: on her own. R. But the funny thing is she

566
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 2: did cost me two undred grand with the cooking because

567
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: I said to her, baby, if you would just cook

568
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: one time a week for you, just so.

569
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: I feel like, pretend, just play, pretend.

570
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: I'll buy the apron, I'll stand around the side, I'll

571
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: I'll even put the ingredients on the stove for you

572
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: and we could just like kind of do it together.

573
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 3: She's like, if I had a nice kitchen, I would,

574
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: So what did I do?

575
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 4: I built her the best in the kitchen.

576
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: The best okay, they asked me, and I don't know

577
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 2: about cooking. They asked me, like, do you want the

578
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: four bird or the six burn of the apron? I

579
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: was like, apron. My girl needs an apron. She hasn't

580
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: been in that kitchen since that thing was completed.

581
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: So it's gorgeous.

582
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 4: Though, you know, it's you gotta love it. You love

583
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 4: and you know if you don't, it's like why you know?

584
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 1: But Catherine, he likes he likes beef jerky, which is

585
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: his version of steak, and like well done chicken. And

586
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: that's not fun. It's like, give me something fun. I

587
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: like a challenge.

588
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: So you did cook a smoothie. I'm cooking. You did

589
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: blend the smoothie for me the other day. I was shocked.

590
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: You're like. I woke up and she's like, do you

591
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: want a smoothie? And I was like, who are you?

592
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: And she's like, I'm into it right now. It's like

593
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 3: I'll take it whatever.

594
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell that's true. I do stup my ja body.

595
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 4: During lockdown, you guys didn't even get.

596
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: Any Can I tell you it was hysterical because we're

597
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: sitting down after restaurants opened for takeout, and we sit

598
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: down and Randall's like, don't you just feel like a

599
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: normal person again now that we can order takeout? I

600
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: was like, and this is why we're meant to be.

601
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we didn't. We didn't.

602
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: You know, We're lucky that, you know, because I have

603
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: I have three kids told to I have two kids

604
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: that are seven to eleven and now a newborn was

605
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: five months four and a half months. And when we're

606
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: in lockdown, you know, we have a nanny that helps

607
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: out when I go to work, and she goes to work,

608
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 2: and thank god, she does cook. Isabelle does cook and

609
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: she is she loves. She gets home and she's like,

610
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: what can I make everybody? I was like, oh my god.

611
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: So I think that we're both a little spoiled. She

612
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: knows that her Like last.

613
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: Night, I'll give you a perfect example.

614
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: We're alone last night with our with our four and

615
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: a half months old, and we get home and and

616
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: we're sitting there, it's like eight o'clock and I'm like,

617
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: what are we have for dinner? And she's like, I

618
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: don't know, Like we just we just hit a wall.

619
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: We're just alone. I don't know what.

620
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 4: I totally get it. By the way, it's a little

621
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 4: bit of a myth.

622
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 5: You know, Justin is out a different house filming like

623
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 5: four things at a time. They're not actually making right

624
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 5: home to me, and my wonderful nanny is downstairs right

625
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 5: now making a chicken as we speak.

626
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 3: So it's a.

627
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 4: Little bit of a myth. But he definitely does cook

628
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 4: for us, you.

629
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: Know, has the ability when he wants to step up.

630
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: He'll step up two three times a week after that's

631
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: a lot.

632
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, could I take what's a month at this point?

633
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: But right, okay, we're going to take a short break

634
00:29:52,560 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: and we will be right back. And we're back. That's

635
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: so short, that's so it's quick.

636
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 4: Great.

637
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: So I have a question. You said your husband's name

638
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: is Justin. Yeah, you said you met him right before

639
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: you started Who what where? What were you doing before

640
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: you started that?

641
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 4: So? I was the West Coast editor of L magazine, And.

642
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: So you're just a baller. You're just a gangst like

643
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: you just have always been a hustler.

644
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 3: That.

645
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've always been a hustler. You know, I did not.

646
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 5: Have a traditional education path I was. When I was young,

647
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 5: I was a very serious dancer.

648
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 4: Kind.

649
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 5: I did everything, mostly jazz and ballet. I was in

650
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 5: a performing company here in the valley and spent you

651
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 5: know ten am till ten at night, about four days

652
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 5: a week, you know, dancing And so as a result,

653
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 5: I ended up doing home study for high school.

654
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: Oh wow, did that?

655
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 4: And I graduated early.

656
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 5: You know, I was sixteen, and I was doing a

657
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 5: lot of you know film and TV as a dancer,

658
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 5: and so you know, you had to be emancipated really

659
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 5: in order to work those adult hours. And so my mom,

660
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 5: you know, took me at sixteen to be emancipated so

661
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 5: I could do the movie Austin Powers.

662
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: Wow.

663
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 5: From then on, Yeah, from then on, I was able

664
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 5: to work as an adult. So I actually started in film.

665
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 5: That's what I thought I wanted to do.

666
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I went to.

667
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 4: Work at Touchstone for a producer.

668
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 5: I was the youngest employee there outside of the kid actors.

669
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: It was owned by Disney.

670
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 5: But I started working there when I was seventeen, and

671
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 5: I was only able to do that because I had

672
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 5: been you know, emancipated and did that for a while,

673
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 5: and then I got into night life.

674
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 4: And you know, I always say.

675
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 3: When you say, I said, didn't we all at a

676
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: nightlight at some point?

677
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 5: And my you know, my, my advice to to anyone

678
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 5: looking for a career is just find something you love

679
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 5: to do and then figure out a way to get

680
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 5: paid for it. So I followed my own advice and

681
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 5: started working for a really big club promoter and here

682
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 5: here in Los Angeles called Brent Bulthouse.

683
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: I was going to say, he's the greatest, by the way,

684
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: the greatest.

685
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 4: Yes, yes.

686
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 5: So I started, much like you, Lala, as a hostess

687
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 5: at these clubs, and you know, started doing bottle service.

688
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 5: We didn't have it in LA it was a big

689
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 5: thing in New York. But I used to book people

690
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 5: in these tables and charge for them. And then I

691
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 5: from there, you know, started to see that all of

692
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 5: these brands were coming to us asking, you know, hey,

693
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 5: can we hand out our soda in your club? Or

694
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 5: hey can we give out you know products as people leave?

695
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 5: And I realized we had such a valuable audience that

696
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 5: was coming together, you know, three days a week. So

697
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 5: I went to brand and I pitched this idea of

698
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 5: starting a marketing division there where you know, companies would

699
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 5: pay us to integrate their products. Yeah, that was kind

700
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 5: of how I got into you know, integrated advertising, which

701
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 5: is ultimately what a media company does. And so from there,

702
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 5: between that and my relationships just in Hollywood, I got

703
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 5: the West Coast editor role at L and L Girl

704
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 5: because a lot of that job was booking talent, so

705
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 5: booking celebrities for covers, all of that. So that's really

706
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 5: how I got into publishing and fashion and all of that.

707
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 5: And and you know, from there, as I saw my

708
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 5: own behavior shift to being online, you know, decided to

709
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 5: start something that was internet based.

710
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a pretty dope story.

711
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: I mean, like I'm friends with Brent and Noah and

712
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: Jason all the you know night. Yeah, because I'm fifty,

713
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: and we all came up, you know together at a

714
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: time where they you know, were promote or they were

715
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: you know, I mean they turned it into these you know,

716
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: no adjacent soul to Madison Square Garden. My friend David

717
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: Grutman sold to Live Nation. I mean, all these guys

718
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: turned into moguls, and I'm so proud of all of them, because,

719
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: like you said, it was a time that was so

720
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: new and fresh in night life and then became like

721
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: you said, I could I mean you said it so well,

722
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: you know, the brands came in and the big businesses

723
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: came in and it just, you know, grew. But I

724
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: mean that's a that's such a neat story because I

725
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: think people who are listening sometimes look at themselves, at

726
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: least people I speak to, or like, how do I

727
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: get into Hollywood? Or how do I start a business?

728
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 2: How do I do all that? And they think kind

729
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: of like you just start there, but you're look, you know,

730
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: you started as a dancer and then went into night

731
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: life and then went into publishing. And I just think

732
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: there's the moral of the story for me when I

733
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: when I hear someone like you was so successful, is

734
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: there is no right path. It's it's got to have

735
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: passion and it's got to have determination and a vision,

736
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: and if you have that, you really can't fail ultimately.

737
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: I mean you just you have to just kind of

738
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: drive that passion into success, right.

739
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so when you started, did you have to

740
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: give up that job at el or what like what

741
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: did your your justine at the time when you were

742
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: like I'm going to start this, was it like I'm

743
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: going to make this a hobby or did you have

744
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: like a really grand viil.

745
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 5: We were committed to making it a business. In fact,

746
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 5: we were so offended in those early years when anyone

747
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 5: would call us a blog because literally, like you know,

748
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 5: we took our savings and invested it in this, in

749
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 5: this business, and we licensed photos from day one and

750
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 5: did everything legally. When you had all of these like

751
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 5: pres Hilton and all of the you know, really gossip

752
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 5: sites that were that were coming up, we were just

753
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 5: taking a pure approach to fashion and always ran it

754
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 5: that way. And because we had such a positive spin

755
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 5: on everything this, you know, celebrities that we feature started

756
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 5: talking about us, and that's really what propelled the you know,

757
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 5: the brand to become a big media company.

758
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: Wow, it's and I love that you you say that,

759
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: because so often we see things online where it's you know,

760
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: obviously things are to get clicks. You know, if I

761
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: see something that says that someone has beef with someone,

762
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to click on that rather than like so

763
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: and so is so happy right now? You know, it's

764
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: so for you guys to take a positive approach to Yeah,

765
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: I just think that's amazing. So you really did put

766
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: all of your eggs in this basket.

767
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 4: We really really did.

768
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 5: And I've always been someone who just is a risk taker.

769
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 4: I mean specifically with more my mind.

770
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 5: I would never like jump out of a plane, really,

771
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 5: but I will, you know, take my last dollar and

772
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 5: and throw it into something I believe in, or you know,

773
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 5: stand up on a stage and tell people I'm going

774
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 5: to do this and then make sure it gets done.

775
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 5: So it's just not I I've always had that sense

776
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 5: about me where I just kind of go do something

777
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 5: and that's just what's going to happen.

778
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: I love it. And you know, you're a mom of

779
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: a four year old. I'm a new mom, and I've

780
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: found it hard to balance the two. You know, someone

781
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: who wants to go out and work and create something

782
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: for herself and be a great mom to my daughter.

783
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure a lot of moms feel that

784
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: guilt when they walk out the door and they're like,

785
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: am I doing the right thing?

786
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 4: Like?

787
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: Do I need to make adjustments so that I can

788
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: be with my kid all the time? How do you

789
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: manage that?

790
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great question, and you know, I didn't

791
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 5: really get comfortable, I think, with being a mom until.

792
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 4: My son was almost two.

793
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 5: Really wow, you know, it felt kind of for it

794
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 5: still felt foreign to me.

795
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 4: Am I doing this right? Am I spending enough time?

796
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 4: Is it okay if I travel now?

797
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 5: And honestly, the first eight months were sort of a blur,

798
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 5: like I can look back on it now, but I

799
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 5: think when I was in it, it was just it

800
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 5: was just sort of a blur. And I think, you know,

801
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 5: I didn't take I took like a month off and

802
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 5: I you know, wasn't long enough and I should have

803
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 5: done more. But you know, I I did struggle with

804
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 5: that in the beginning. But ultimately I think, you know,

805
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 5: you just have to realize, like you're you're always going

806
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 5: to be the mom, and you can define your own

807
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 5: way of being a parent. And that may look different

808
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 5: than you know, your your friends who are stay at

809
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 5: home moms. But I found actually a great community of

810
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 5: moms who helped support me. So like my friends who

811
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 5: are stay at home moms, will make sure my kids

812
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 5: enrolled in a class.

813
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 4: That they're doing.

814
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 5: And I know the best you know psychologists to go

815
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 5: to without having to research it. And so for me,

816
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 5: it's it's just also creating that network of support. But

817
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 5: I just think it's going to be so much more

818
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 5: valuable to your child, you know, to have them see

819
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 5: you do something you love, you know, whether that is

820
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 5: being a full time mom or having full time career.

821
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think there's no right or wrong way

822
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 5: to do it.

823
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 3: I want to say that I agree with you.

824
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: I think you said it perfectly, like there are people

825
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: who are equally as passionate about being at home with

826
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: their child every single minute. And there are people like

827
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: both of you who love your career and love your children.

828
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 2: But I do think the people that do love their

829
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: career as mothers. I always tell Lala, don't worry like

830
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: you're home all the time with our baby when you

831
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: need to go.

832
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: Out and work and make a living.

833
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: She's going to look up to you when she's ten, eight, twelve, fifteen.

834
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: She's going to say, my mom set a role you know,

835
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: she's a role model for me, just like an stay

836
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 2: at home mom that that daughter will say about her

837
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: mom or son, My mom was there every day and

838
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: did this, whereas you two will have the perspective of

839
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 2: it's okay to go out and work and it's okay

840
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: to have a family and have a full time career.

841
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, I try to tell Lala

842
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: because she goes, you know, up and down tears, you know,

843
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: while leaving my baby. I'm like, you are in it

844
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: every day you come back from the set and you

845
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: sit there in the middle of the night. Why I

846
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: snore and don't hear a friggin thing, you know, breastfeeding, feeding,

847
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: changing diapers. So it's like, you know, you're you're a

848
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: wonder woman. And I think you you know, you just

849
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: have to or Superman, you just have to, like you said,

850
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: you have to just own that you're a successful, strong woman,

851
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: like you know, both of you, and and and women

852
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: who choose careers. I know they feel guilt. I see

853
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: it every day with her. Every day she asks me,

854
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: am I a good moming. Stop you are the best?

855
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: You're the best.

856
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: I said it this morning, Catherine. I was like, you

857
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: want to know what would make me feel really good

858
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: right now is if you told me that I'm a

859
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: good mom.

860
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, every day everything.

861
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just need to hear it right now.

862
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 5: Just just the fact that you are wondering that and

863
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 5: you're worried about it, like you're a good mom, and.

864
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 4: By the way, enjoy this time right now and go

865
00:40:59,360 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: out and.

866
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 5: Get shit it done because she has no idea what's going.

867
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: On, like, so I say.

868
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 5: Only just now, like, mom, don't go upstairs. My home

869
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 5: office is upstairs. He has no idea that I was

870
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 5: flying all over the country when he was two months old,

871
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 5: or even he doesn't even remember when I used to

872
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 5: go into an office and that was just eighteen months ago.

873
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 3: Wow.

874
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, zero recollection zero.

875
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 5: He only knows life and a mask and mommy works upstairs.

876
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 4: So she has no idea.

877
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 3: Honey, I.

878
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: Just want to say I agree. And I said to her,

879
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: I said, babe, once she starts preschool, learn from me.

880
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 2: Once they start elementary school and they remember, shit, oh,

881
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: mommy's got to go to New York for two days.

882
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 3: They know right now, surely wants the bottle, surely wants

883
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: the bottle, and to just google.

884
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: Gotta right totally. Yeah, So what was it? What was

885
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: your what was your first trip if you remember away

886
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: from your baby that you had to take and did

887
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: you leave him at home or did you bring someone

888
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: to help.

889
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 5: No, I left my baby at home. We had our

890
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 5: baby nurse for about four and a half months. And

891
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 5: that was so during that time, I just did everything,

892
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 5: you know, I because I felt more comfortable having somebody

893
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 5: who was there, you know, all night.

894
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 4: I think I went to New York.

895
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 5: I mean I did so many trips. I don't remember

896
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 5: what the first one is, but you know it was

897
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 5: certainly New York, certainly Minnesota tons of times. But that's

898
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 5: where targets located. San Francisco, Europe.

899
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: Like I've you know, oh you you were working, hustling.

900
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 3: Working, But that's what I say.

901
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I know that we bring the

902
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: baby on some of the little trips with down, but yeah,

903
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: it's okay for you to get on a plane and

904
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: go to New York for.

905
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 3: Three days because right now is the time, Like she's saying,

906
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: I agree with that.

907
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: We have we have Bravocon coming up. And I was

908
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: talking to my friend Sheena, who's also on the show,

909
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: who has a three month old.

910
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 4: Oh I know, Sheena, yes, And you know, we were going.

911
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: Back and forth like do we bring our babies or

912
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: do we not? For them? Obviously for us, we selfishly

913
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: want them there just because they're a part of us.

914
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: It would be a nightmare, Like I already know that

915
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: there would be a lot of work, but now we've

916
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: decided we're going to leave them home, and I'm like,

917
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: I have anxiety about it at night, you know, because

918
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:23,959
Speaker 1: I haven't left her yet.

919
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 4: I understand, but it's better for you.

920
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 5: To go get in, get out, get it done, come

921
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 5: home faster.

922
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 3: You know.

923
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 5: I felt like it would I would have to be

924
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 5: there longer if he was there and settle him in

925
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 5: and like to not disrupt her routine right and her

926
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 5: you know flow.

927
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 4: You know, it's going to be great, and you know

928
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 4: great by the way, be.

929
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 5: In the mindset of work, go get it done right

930
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 5: by home.

931
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: You know, I totally like that.

932
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: I also think that you're going to be better on that.

933
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: Trip than you would because you would every five seconds

934
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: be asking me to go to the hotel and check

935
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: on our child, but in not.

936
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 3: Being able to be present. Just get your work done,

937
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: you know. You know, are like, we had a night.

938
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: Nurse for four plus months two and now we're into

939
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: the nanny you know phase, and she loves for nanny.

940
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: She went through thirty interviews before we found her, and now.

941
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: She's like, you feel safe, Yeah.

942
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: Definitely, Yeah, so before we let you go be a

943
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: boss again. I saw this question on I was watching

944
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: The Big Shot with Bethany Frankel, and you're a boss

945
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: like she is, so and I want to know, is

946
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: there any is there any thing that you would say

947
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 1: no to? I mean, you're you're in the wine business,

948
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: you have a peril, you have the makeup, the skincare.

949
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you'd be like, I don't need

950
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: that a part of my brand? You know.

951
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 5: I'm I'm trying to learn to say no to a lot, okay,

952
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 5: And I think that's you know, I think like there's

953
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 5: been this real hustle culture of wanting to do all

954
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 5: of the things as hard as you can. And I

955
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 5: think just now I feel like I'm in a position

956
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 5: in my career to be able to say no to things.

957
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 5: You know, I think if you mean, is there a

958
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 5: category of business I wouldn't get in? You know, I

959
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 5: I I think it's always going to be something that

960
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 5: I have interest in, because if you're interested in what

961
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 5: you do, you're just driven.

962
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 4: That much further.

963
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 5: And there's going to be, you know, plenty of things

964
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 5: like I'm probably not going to start a camping line,

965
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 5: much to my husband's dismay, but I'm not, you know.

966
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 5: But but but in general, like I'm trying to say

967
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 5: no to more stuff I can.

968
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 3: LAA.

969
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 2: This is probably the best podcast. I feel like if

970
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: you absorb.

971
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 3: This, oh.

972
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: Off and then she wakes up and she's like losing

973
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 2: her mind, and I'm like, honey, you've been saying yes everybody.

974
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: I I feel like when when you to the position

975
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: that you're in, you can start saying no. You know,

976
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm still I like to say that we're off of

977
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: the floor. You know, we're above the ground, but we're

978
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: still hovering. We're still waiting to figure out how to

979
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: fly with what I'm you know, what I've created, And

980
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I have the luxury yet to

981
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: say no to a lot of things. You know, I

982
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: have bills to pay, I have a lot of things

983
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: that come in and I just don't think that that's

984
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: something that I should do quite yet. Yeah.

985
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 5: Well, I mean you have sections of your life though,

986
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 5: right so some sections you may be further ahead in

987
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 5: and I can start saying no in those things. I mean,

988
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 5: for me, like, there are things and people like I

989
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 5: don't say no to, right then there are other things

990
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 5: that I've been doing for a while that I can start,

991
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 5: you know, so you just run.

992
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 3: Talking about when.

993
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: I say when I say, she say no, I mean

994
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: like the makeup line is really thriving, right, And then

995
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: she'll go start three more businesses.

996
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 3: But that'sbody will come from the back and say, you

997
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 3: want to start this business, and I'm.

998
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: Like, law, take a beat, like grow the three things

999
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: you have right now, take those to the top, and

1000
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: then kind of go down that road.

1001
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 3: Because because she gets very like she wants.

1002
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: To get it all done, she never wants to quit,

1003
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: she never wants to stop. So there then then there

1004
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: starts to be a little too much of herself given.

1005
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 3: And I worry about her in your and her.

1006
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: Sanity because you know, I handle stress like I love

1007
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: the stress.

1008
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: I can't get enough of it.

1009
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: She's somebody that she she deals with it all day long.

1010
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: But sometimes it'll just too much, too much, too much,

1011
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: too much, right and now being a mom, but yeah.

1012
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean also, you're leveraging your face and

1013
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 5: your being in a way that I'm not, and I

1014
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 5: think that is absolutely exhausting.

1015
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 4: You know. It's that you know, when you when it's

1016
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 4: about your face.

1017
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 5: When I have to do something, you know, a TV appearance,

1018
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 5: you know, appearing at a conference or whatever, that's performing

1019
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 5: that takes so much energy. So you can't do that

1020
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 5: as much as you can do a behind the scenes

1021
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 5: kind of a job.

1022
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: Right now, that is a great see like from so much, but.

1023
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 3: Honestly, honestly, that is such a great point. I didn't

1024
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 3: even think about that.

1025
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 2: When I'm making movies, I'm behind the scenes, I can

1026
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 2: do six at one time, negotiate because but when I

1027
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 2: go on her show and I have to film literally

1028
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 2: two days in one week for three.

1029
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 3: Hours in the office, I feel you have to can nap.

1030
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,479
Speaker 3: I need like, yes time.

1031
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 2: So she does it five days a week and does all.

1032
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: I agree, babe, because the difference is that you're right,

1033
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: your face is out there, your being is out there.

1034
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: Most of our stuff we're sitting, you know, behind the scenes,

1035
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: and that's where I think you start to get exhausted,

1036
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: right you know. But yeah, that's great advice.

1037
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 5: And you know, the show has given you a platform

1038
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 5: now to go and create something bigger, and I do

1039
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 5: think how you handled it over the next couple of

1040
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 5: years is going to be so important for your longevity.

1041
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 5: And that might mean saying no to a bunch of,

1042
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 5: you know, opportunistic things, because you want to focus on

1043
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 5: what's gonna send you beyond this this career today.

1044
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: No, You're absolutely right. I think about that all the time,

1045
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: and I'm taking your advice great advice.

1046
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a question, Catherine, what's your

1047
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: favorite episode on the show?

1048
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite episode that you.

1049
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 3: Can't all my friends before I ever met her, I.

1050
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 5: Mean, like for me, you know, season two, like Stassy,

1051
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 5: the whole Kristen thing. I mean, it's like Vanderpunk Rules

1052
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 5: is the best show that's ever been on television period,

1053
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 5: end of story, Like you could not make that up,

1054
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 5: you know, Like I couldn't script something like that.

1055
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 4: So I think, like it's gotta be in that, you know,

1056
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 4: in that season.

1057
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 5: I mean, I think there were some great episodes with

1058
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 5: you and James the pasta, like there were just you know,

1059
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 5: she does so many.

1060
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: She does understand that like half of my Hollywood community

1061
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: that like like and I'm just I'm gonna name drop

1062
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: one person, but Emma Coscoff, who's one of my best friends,

1063
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 2: who's Martin Scorsese's partner, like literally showed up at the

1064
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: season finale of the last season, just to see everybody

1065
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: she's like and I was like, kind of, that is

1066
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 2: the power of your show, like we love it. And

1067
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: season two was insanity.

1068
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: During the pandemic because I'm I had never seen an

1069
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: episode of inter Bump Rules that I wasn't on because

1070
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm that being I guess, but I started watching it

1071
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: from the beginning and I was like, yeah, damn, this

1072
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: is like great TV. And I don't know if I

1073
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: should feel like honored that I get to be a

1074
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: part of it, or if I should like kind of

1075
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: question my mental states because they're crazy and.

1076
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 4: It is very well watch it. If you watched it,

1077
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 4: you may not have done it.

1078
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: By the way, it's true.

1079
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: I mean season two, season three, what they did. I

1080
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: used to tell friends of mine, this cast is like gold.

1081
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want them to go anywhere. It's unreal.

1082
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 5: How could they possibly find this perfect comp I just

1083
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 5: anyone who's never watched the show, I say, just go

1084
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 5: start at season one. This is the greatest gift I'm

1085
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 5: ever going to give you. I wish I could live.

1086
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 4: Through you again. And seeing it for the first time,

1087
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 4: oh my gosh.

1088
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: I love hearing that and.

1089
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 3: I would say to her she never watched the show.

1090
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 2: Like the first early season, I said, you don't understand

1091
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: why we all feel this way.

1092
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 3: Now, I know the first three seasons you get it,

1093
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 3: But I mean it was like days I just going backwards.

1094
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 2: I would call Emma. There were days where I'll call

1095
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 2: them and say, this can't be really like.

1096
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 3: This is too it's scripted. It's so insane perfect, it's

1097
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Speaker 3: too perfect, right perfect.

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Speaker 5: I mean, are the producers just amazing or is it

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00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 5: just these perfect people.

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Speaker 1: I think that the way that they edit the show,

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Speaker 1: they make it so funny, but like we're really just

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00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: that insane. Like I sit there and when things are happening,

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00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: I sometimes have out of body experiences and I'm like,

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00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: are we really like talking about this stuff?

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Speaker 2: I'll give you one. I'll give you one and sight first.

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Speaker 2: I definitely think the producers are very talented.

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00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: Of course, everyone on the show is amazing, but.

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Speaker 2: I do think that they have lightning in a bottle.

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00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: I think that that the whole cast who they how

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00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 2: they put it together, and these personalities. But I'll just

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00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: say this from an outsider, because even if I'm in

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm still an outsider looking in the season

1113
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 2: finale and off the record, I'll tell you, but yeah,

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00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: I was sitting there just having a dinner with everybody,

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00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 2: and it's like, all of a sudden Fourth of July happens,

1116
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what is fucking going on?

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00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: It's everywhere, It's insanity. It's cam this season, this season, and.

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00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 2: I'm looking like I forget that they have cameras even

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00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: around me, and I'm I can't help myself.

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Speaker 3: I check out and I start watching like I'm at home.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's unbelievable what they do and they are

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00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: they I really believe.

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Speaker 3: That this cast them. It is lighter than a bottle.

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Speaker 1: They just have this thing that we're very resilient. I

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Speaker 1: think that's why people think that it's scripted, because our

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00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: bounce back is so on point that it's like normal

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00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: people like you sleep with my sorry, sleep with my boyfriend,

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00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: like we're not friends anymore. But this group is like,

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00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get over it. Just give me something.

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Speaker 5: So at that age, you're just so messed up and

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00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 5: you just you know, you just you really do it.

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Speaker 2: But it's so real, I know real, and none of

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00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: it I've been I've been around for many years watching her,

1134
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: you know, do her thing, and then just recently and

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00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 2: I'll tell you you know, people will come up and

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00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: ask is it scripted? These people wouldn't know how to

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00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: do with the script if you gave it to right,

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00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: it's so raw, insane great that yeah, it's all that.

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00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 5: You were the greatest gift at the right time with

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00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 5: that click, just like you know most new cast members.

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00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 4: You're like, no, no, no, no, no, go mess.

1142
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: This up right, like we have a good thing that's not.

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00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 4: Exactly what we needed at that time.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Catherine, that means so happy. Well, thank you so

1145
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: much for all of the compliments and watching the show

1146
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: and most importantly being on the podcast today.

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Speaker 5: We really appreciate it, you guys, thank you, thank you

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Speaker 5: guys for having me.

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00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: Of course we'll talk soon, I hope.

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Speaker 4: Okay, call me anytime.

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00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how you upon that by baby

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Speaker 4: M