1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to you Stuff you should know from house Stuff 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: for the third time, and this is stuff you should know. 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: The podcast two ball starts. Yeah. Really, Uh you a 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: gambler at all? Uh? No, I mean not really. I'm 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: I would lose too much money. But you've like been 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: to a casino and I mean, like, yeah, I've gambled before. 9 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: I'm just I realized pretty quickly that I'm a terrible 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: gambler now, like I'm an addict or anything like that. 11 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: Like I'd never win. So losing money's not fun. No, no, 12 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: it isn't. I enjoy I don't like Vegas at all, 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: as you know, but when I've had to go there, 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: I do enjoy a little gaming. Um, but I always 15 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: just I'm very disciplined to set aside a certain amount 16 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: of money. I'm like, I'm basically like paying that to 17 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: have a good time gambling. If I lose it all, 18 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: then that's what. Because it is enjoyable. I enjoy it. 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: And I did a little sports gambling at one point 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: in my life and got a got out of a 21 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: sort of a tight squeeze once and then I was like, 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: not doing that again. Did you have your thumbs broken 23 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: or something? No. I just owed um a lot of 24 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: money going into NFL Sunday, and I was like, I 25 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: can't afford this. So I did something really stupid and 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: I made ny two bets equal to that large amount 27 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: of money, one of both and broke even. And I 28 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: was like, no more. That was good that you weren't like, Okay, 29 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm on the street and keep it going. That scared 30 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: me straight, you know. Um, for this episode, I did 31 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: a little online gambling. You know they let you try 32 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: it out for free or whatever. I was down five 33 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: d bucks in like four minutes. Well when it's not 34 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: when it's fun money then like not real money, it's 35 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: seed a bet a lot. I was just betting like 36 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: the normal amount. I just I was playing a roulette 37 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: called the Greedy Goblins. What site was it? Bovada? Have 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: you heard of Bovada? It was the first one that 39 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: came up when I put it online gambling. But it 40 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: was a classy site. It was a classy simulated casino, 41 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: pretty waitresses, I mean, well, there were pictures of people yeah, 42 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: you know, no one was actually moving except the three 43 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: D Goblins. They try to simulate a casino as much 44 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: as possible, right, A little bit like the background of 45 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: the website was like felt. I think maybe it was 46 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: like that, but um no, it seemed to be one 47 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 1: of the nicer ones. You could tell that the programmers 48 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: like really put some thought into it. But the the 49 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: the roulette or not the roulette the slot I was playing? 50 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: Did I say roulette? First? I was playing a slot 51 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: called Greedy Goblins, and it was nice looking, but I 52 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,839 Speaker 1: lost very quickly, so I was like, forget this. I'm 53 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: so glad I'm not addicted to online gambling, because that 54 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: would be really rough, I'm sure, And actually, I mean 55 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: they say the online gambling is even possibly more addictive 56 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: than regular gambling, just because of its ubiquity and ease 57 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: of accessibility. Like not only can you get on the 58 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: computer at home, now the big pushes mobile, so you 59 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 1: can gamble anytime, anywhere, and if you have a problem, yeah, 60 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: that's super super dangerous for some folks. You can gamble 61 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: in your warm up pants, your shirt off, or your 62 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: city jogger pants. I think some casinos in Vegas you 63 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: could do that probably, h Maybe it's like the Golden 64 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: Nugget or one of the old ones, whether they're like 65 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: just just give us your money please, we're hurting so bad, 66 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: or in all of Atlantic City. Sure. So. Um, you 67 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: want to talk about the history of online gambling, you know, 68 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: it hasn't been around forever. It hasn't. Gambling might be 69 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: one of the oldest past times, but online gambling is 70 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: comparatively new. Yeah. In the mid nineteen nineties and Antigua 71 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: and Barbuda, they passed a law called the Free Trade 72 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: and Processing Act, which basically paved the way for some 73 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: of these smaller Caribbean island nations to get into the 74 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: gambling business. Well for that nation specifically, Yeah, to get 75 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: into the online gambling business. Right. Specifically, they created out 76 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: of thin air their own ability to create licenses for 77 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: online casinos. So they became the haven for online casino. 78 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: It's a pretty good idea, it is, and especially considering 79 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: that there was no such thing as online casinos yet. 80 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: Like that's some foresight right there. Yeah. Around the same time, 81 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: a company called Microgaming started the first uh kind of 82 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: workable software for online gaming, and that came along at 83 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: just the right time and U Canada they started opening 84 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: up some online casinos and basically all over the world 85 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: they started popping up. I think there were more than 86 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: two hundred online casinos and revenues in the late nineties 87 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: of up to eight hund in thirty million a year, 88 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: which is chump changed now. But um back then, you know, 89 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: you'll notice we did not mention the United States because 90 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: it was there's a lot of legality issues. Up to today, 91 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: you have online gambling virtually out of the gate. The 92 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: United States is like, no, that's illegal. Completely ignore the 93 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: fact that forty plus states have state lotteries. You can't 94 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: gamble online. And actually I read an article where Antigua 95 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: sued or filed the complaint against the United States with 96 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: the World Trade Organization. The w t O sided with 97 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: Antigua and they granted Antigua like a hundred and twenty 98 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: million dollars worth of freedom to distribute American intellectual property 99 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: without paying any royalties because America closed down it's um 100 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: it's population to Antigua's online casinos. And Antigua said, you 101 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: guys are violating treaties we have interesting and the w 102 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: t O actually sided with and levied sanctions against UM. 103 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: The US sided with Antigua Levi sanctions against US, which 104 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: is mine boxing. Yeah, that probably doesn't happen a lot. Uh. 105 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: In the early two thousand's, you could, all of a sudden, 106 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: thanks to a company called Betfair, wage wager appeared appear 107 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: bets on sports. A lot of this early stuff was 108 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: sports UM wagering, right, and then online poker of course 109 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: in the late nineties. UM really started to catch on. 110 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: In the late nineties and early two thousands, UH company 111 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: called Poker Spot and part Party Poker and Poker Stars. 112 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: They all have silly names, but UM they really hit 113 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: on it big when they UM allowed you to qualify 114 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: online for these real World Series of Poker tournaments. And 115 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: the one guy, Chris Moneymaker actually won the World Series 116 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: of Poker in two thousand three after having qualified online. 117 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: And then everyone was like, WHOA, that's a big deal 118 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: because I think he ended up having to pay in 119 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: like forty bucks to qualify for the World Series of Poker. Yeah, 120 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: and he didn't have to travel to Vegas and you know, 121 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: or Atlantic City or wherever else you can go to gamble. Yeah, 122 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: and that's the way it was going to and everybody 123 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: was really up on UM poker, especially Party Poker and 124 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: Poker Stars, and UM the US ended up cracking down 125 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: on it, which you'll talk about a little more in 126 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: detail coming up soon. But UM, let's talk about just 127 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: online gambling and how it's different, because it seems well, 128 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: there there's some pretty obvious UM distinctions, like one gift 129 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: to travel to Atlantic City or Las Vegas or your 130 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: local Indian reservation and sit there and and gamble in person. 131 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: That's I mean you might say, well, yes, obviously, if 132 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: you're gambling online, you can do it at home. But 133 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: that's that's there's a big difference. There's a lot of 134 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: nuances in between those two. That obvious difference between the two. 135 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: Sure one of them is you can play a lot 136 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: faster without all the chit chat and all the decision 137 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: making of the little old lady next to you at 138 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: the blackjack table. UM and I wrote an article where 139 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: with a guy named John Googliano or Gagliano. I mean 140 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: he's a New Jersey professional poker player, John the Goog. 141 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: I think it was like Googs thirty three years, gags 142 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: thirty three something like that. Seriously, Anyway, he um, he 143 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: plays up to a thousand hands an hour. Wow, he 144 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: plays of no poker. He's a pro poker player. He plays, um, 145 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: maybe a hundred hundred hands an hour per table, and 146 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: he plays up to about ten tables at a time. 147 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: About he's got to be playing more than one. Oh yeah, 148 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: so he's playing like a thousand hands an hour um. 149 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: And he says in real life he can play maybe 150 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: twenty five tops if he's really working. And a lot 151 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: of it is the chit chat the dealers. This is, 152 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, and not being able to physically play ten 153 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: hands at a time. But see, that's the experience I 154 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: enjoy about gambling is being at the table and chit 155 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,479 Speaker 1: chatting and having a couple of you know, free scotches. 156 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: It's like a good social fun social like a craps table, 157 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: a lot of fun okay to stand around. So yes, 158 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: I think that's what makes Gags thirty three a professional 159 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: poker player. You know, he's in it for the money. Yeah, 160 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: he doesn't care about all that stuff, and probably to 161 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: win too. Um. So yeah, it's a lot quicker. You 162 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: can win and lose money at the drop of a hat. Um. 163 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: And like you said, they try to dress it up 164 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: and make it look and feel like a real casino. UM. 165 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: Other than that, though, it's it's a lot of the 166 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: same games, like pretty much any game you can play 167 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: in a real casino you can find online from like 168 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: lotteries and Keno to Roulette and all that stuff. Yeah, 169 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: Bovada had UM more than a hundred and fifty different games. Yeah, 170 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: a lot of them more slots, but they did have 171 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: all the regular stuff too, in tons of different poker UM. 172 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: And then, like you said, sports betting, and then there's 173 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: a subsection of sports betting inter tainment betting, like you 174 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: can bet on the outcome of the two thousand and 175 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: sixteen presidential election or the oscars um apparently spelling bees, 176 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: competitive eating contests. Reality TV, Yeah, which I didn't get 177 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: because reality TV is not actually like unscripted. Yeah, like 178 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: you could easily find out from a producer what happened 179 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: on the show that was shot five months before. It's 180 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: not like it's live, you know, or who's going to 181 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: get the rose or whatever. I think those UM episodes 182 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: are live a lot of times. They've got to be 183 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: like the American Idol finale or the Survivor finale a 184 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: lot of or a Big Brother. But I I just 185 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: assume all those are extraordinarily rigged one way or another, 186 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: and that anybody connected well enough could find out and 187 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: make some big money, which I would guess that the 188 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: people laying on the bookers, you know, the bookies, the bookies. Uh, 189 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: they they would know well enough to stay away from 190 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff because it could be rigged. But 191 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: wors is never right, So is that? Were you being facetious? 192 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: Of course sports is rigged a lot of times. Really, Yeah, 193 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: you kidn't me, Like, what we're not talking is Rourkes 194 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: boxing fight. No, boxing is notoriously historically fraught with boxers 195 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: taking dives. Okay, I thought you meant like Monday Night 196 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: football or something like that. I mean, the NFL is 197 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: a pretty good track record, but there most of the 198 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: pro sports have had one major betting throwing games scandal 199 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: in there at some point. Yeah. I don't think it 200 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: happens all the time, but um yeah, like the Black 201 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: Sox was baseball. Man, that was a good movie, Eight 202 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: Men Out and uh I think, um yeah, you'll hear 203 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: about every once in a while, like an n C 204 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: double A basketball team will come out years later like 205 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: we threw all those games? Oh, yeah didn't. Um, who 206 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: was it that played Billy Jane King? The man who 207 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: played Billy Jane King? Oh, Bobby Riggs? No? Who? Well, 208 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: well guy, was it kids player? Yeah, very famous men's 209 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: tennis player. I think it's Bobby Riggs. It wasn't Bobby Riggs. Anyway, 210 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: he came out within the last couple of years and 211 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: said that he threw the match. Oh please, which is 212 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: kind of like it was it. It wasn't Jimmy Conner. 213 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: Maybe it was Jimmy Conner save face. Yeah, but like 214 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: four decades later, which is weird, deathbed saving face. I 215 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,599 Speaker 1: think he's still walking around. So um, we're going to 216 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: talk more about online gambling and gaming and the distinction 217 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: between the two. 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That is one way though 254 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: that they can get you hooked, you know, is to 255 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: say that you don't have to pay any money. Um, 256 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: did you have to do anything? Did you have to 257 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: sign up? No? No, there's a there's a way you 258 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: can download the casino software, which seems like a really 259 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: bad idea to me. It's um like, do you want 260 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: to download the staff software from a Russian site? No? 261 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: I don't, but I will play it for free in 262 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: my web browser, which is what I did. Was it 263 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: really Russian software? No, this was Latvian. But I imagine 264 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: there's plenty of Russian uh Russian casinos out there. Uh. 265 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: Some of the other differences though, besides being able to 266 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: play for fun and get you hooked, is they will 267 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: offer different odds a lot of times sports wise than 268 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: you can get in a real casino. So the grabster 269 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: says that this isn't um. Oh, I'm sorry, you're saying 270 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: that they the odds are better. I'm just saying different, 271 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: Like sports odds can be different. Um. Usually they're better 272 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: for you because the overhead is lower. They don't have to, 273 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: you know, pay as much money exactly. They don't have 274 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: to give out the free scotches because there's nobody to 275 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: physically sit there and drink the scotch by your own scotch. 276 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: You're at home at home, So you can get different odds, 277 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: and then a lot of times the games themselves will 278 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:51,479 Speaker 1: have different kinds of payouts that you can get in casinos. Um. 279 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: But you're also going to have to pay the big 280 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: as they call it, um in order to get your money. 281 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: And this is a whole different thing we have to 282 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: talk about at some point too. But you're gonna be 283 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: paying percentages, uh like tenient sometimes just to get your money. 284 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: And that's not the same as in Vegas. No, it's 285 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: definitely not one of the reasons why you you have 286 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: to pay that. And that's on top of the big 287 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: like you said, right, that's just basically that's like Okay, 288 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: here give us our house money just for letting you play, 289 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: and and then here's your transaction fee and then yeah, 290 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: but that's when you're trying to withdraw stuff from your 291 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: online account. And the reason that they do this and 292 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: that the rates are so steep is because they know 293 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: that you're an American player and you're not supposed to 294 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: be playing technically, that is correct. Historically that has been 295 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: very difficult to prosecute because you're in your house playing 296 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: a casino in Amsterdam online. So what are they gonna 297 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: do unless they've they're like spying on exactly where are 298 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: they gonna do? Go after the operators of these um 299 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: online gaming sites that are located overseas? Actually, yes, yeah, 300 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: that's exactly what did this article Friday? Yeah, this article 301 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: on how stuff works was written before Black Friday, so 302 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: it was it almost even though it's a grabs article, 303 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: it's naive because it was before this. Black Friday happened 304 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: on September twenty, two, thousand eleven, where the Feds basically 305 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: raided the top three and then some other ones, but 306 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: definitely the top three online poker sites and shut them down. Yeah, 307 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: Poker Stars, Full Tilt Poker and absolute poker. Uh. And 308 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: apparently there were a bunch of uh some say, kinky 309 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: allegations and arrest. Well, yeah, they used interpoll to go 310 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: arrest the people in other countries for breaking US law. 311 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: And yeah, a lot of US lawmakers had big problems 312 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: with that, even though they attached a bunch of other 313 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: charges like money laundering and fraud. Uh, there were you know, 314 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure there were some legit illegalities as well, but yeah, 315 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: it was a pretty interesting sting operation, to say the least. 316 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: So So, there's this thing called the wire Wager Act, 317 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: I believe from nine and it said you can't use 318 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: any kind of UM communications device basically in the the 319 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: US for betting and um. The courts interpreted it in 320 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: various ways as the Internet came along and some court 321 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: some courts decided like, yeah, this this includes the Internet. 322 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: Other courts are like, no, this is too old and 323 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: too vague to really include the Internet. So the Feds, um, 324 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: we're kind of like making noises about making prosecutions and stuff, uh, 325 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: based on this. And when they kept running up against 326 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: the fact that it was too old, they came up 327 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: with a new law in two thousand and six. The 328 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: Unlawful Internet Gaming Enforcement Act, and this one had teeth. 329 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: The reason this one had teeth is because it didn't 330 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: go after the online gambling people. It went after the 331 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: third party processors, the payment processors. And what good is 332 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: gambling if you can't get your money right when you're 333 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: so all of a sudden visa PayPal, all the banks 334 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: are like, wait, we could be prosecuted for processing this payment, 335 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: so we're not gonna do it, which left these, um, 336 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: these online gambling sites basically just completely um exactly because 337 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: like you said, nobody who wants to gamble online wants 338 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: to do it for nothing. It's the whole point, you know, 339 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: is to try to win some money, right. Um. So 340 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: that was two thousand six. That's when like Party Poker 341 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: and Poker Stars and all those guys either shut down 342 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: or they moved overseas. So those were actually American companies, 343 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: but they moved to like the Isle of Man. They 344 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: moved to Ireland, and there was one in Costa Rica. 345 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: Full Tilt I think was in Costa Rica, and so 346 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: the FEDS were like, Okay, we we did our job. 347 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: Everything's cool, um. And these guys figured out loopholes and 348 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: so the in two thousand eleven when they raided on Friday. 349 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: The guy who actually ended up in real trouble was 350 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: this dude who served as the payment processor for the 351 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: three biggest online poker sites in the world. So not 352 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: the gambler, not the casino, it was the guy who 353 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: and it wasn't a company, it was a guy. And 354 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: the reason he got in troubles because he started he 355 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: made all these phony businesses up to get banks to 356 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: process payments so the banks wouldn't think that they were 357 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: doing any kind of illegal activity, right, So he he 358 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: learned money, so he did get in big trouble um, 359 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: and so did the three the top three sites. Until 360 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: that same year, all of a sudden, this crazy war 361 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: on online gambling was totally reversed by the Obama administration. 362 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: Within the Obama administration, It's not like this was the 363 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: Bush administration like aggressively prosecuting people for it. This was 364 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: the Obama administration. And then all of a sudden, Department 365 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: of Justice came up with a new opinion and said, 366 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: you know what, we don't think the Wire Wager Act 367 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: applies to this anymore, and we don't think that people 368 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: should be prosecuted for online gambling if the states allow it. Yeah, 369 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 1: and I think correct me if I'm wrong. Wasn't one 370 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: of the big reasons behind this, like we need to 371 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: start regulating this fast and get out in front of it, 372 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: or else it's gonna be a huge mess. Yes, it's 373 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: gonna be a huge mess. Um, it could be a 374 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: huge boon for UM states for taxes and grabstrre mentions 375 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: in this article that people tended to gravitate towards UM 376 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: sites that had like a dot n L domain or 377 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: a dot AU domain because they knew that Australia and 378 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: UM the Netherlands heavily regulate this kind of stuff. They're legit, 379 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: and so online casinos that operate out of those countries 380 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: have to tell the line, which means that if you win, 381 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna get paid. So they provided a model that like, yes, 382 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: if this is legal and regulated, people will come to 383 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: it and you can actually manage it pretty well. Yeah. 384 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: So in other words, I don't have to set up 385 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: an offshore bank account or send money orders to some 386 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: shady h third party internet site that may or may 387 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: not pay you exactly. Um. I actually um. Last year 388 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: I was the commissioner of my fantasy Football League and 389 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: we all throw in twenty bucks. It's no big deal, 390 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: like twelve of us, you know, just to make a 391 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: little more interesting. At the end of the year, you 392 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: win the money, and um, I said, just pay me 393 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: through PayPal. And a few people said, you know, when 394 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: you go to make the payment, it's like writing a check. 395 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: You put what it's for. They were like fantasy football 396 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: payment and PayPal flagged it and wouldn't allow it through. 397 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: And I didn't even know at the time that was 398 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: against the laws. Like really, and so I, you know, 399 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: had them either send me money or just say, don't 400 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: put what it's for. Done exactly because apparently apparently anything 401 00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: but fantasy football. Yeah, apparently that made me, I guess, 402 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: an illegal bookie. Yeah, they could have gotten you, Enrico probably. 403 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're gonna talk about legal online gambling 404 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff right after this. Alright, 405 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: so today, my friend, it is a state issue, as 406 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: you said, still technically federally illegal. It's so weird when 407 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: this country. It's always amazes me, like this is the 408 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: illegal the United States, but it's legal in the state 409 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: if they say it's okay. Sports sports betting is still 410 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: very much illegal online sports betting. The Justice Department said, 411 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: it's very clear that this law was originally written, this 412 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: law that we've been aggressively prosecuting for for forty years, 413 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: fifty years, was actually really just pertained a sports betting 414 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: because that's chance. Is that correct? Is that why? That's 415 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: not necessarily why because like roulette is chance, and you 416 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: can do that now in some states. So it's it's 417 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: strictly because the laws said sports. Okay, it was written 418 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: in the law. But fantasy football now, one of the 419 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: big new trends are these day play sites for fantasy football. 420 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 1: What is it call one it's called Draft Kings, But 421 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: there's a name for the whole thing. It's not fantasy football. 422 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: It's it's like UM League draft or something like that. 423 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: They call it daily fantasy sports. In this article, that's 424 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: a little more generic than I was thinking. Yeah, but 425 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: there's one called Draft Kings, and there's another one, and 426 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: I hear these all the time on sports radio, the 427 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: ads for him uh fan duel dot com, where you 428 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: can draft the team in a day and have your team, 429 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, play that weekend's football games and then cash 430 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: out that weekend as well. UM and so it's not 431 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: the same thing as like just your ESPN fantasy football league, 432 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: where it's just a season long thing for fun or 433 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of money thrown into pool. This 434 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: is weekly, and depending on the sport, it could be 435 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: daily exactly. Um, and all the sports like they allow 436 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: that though, because I don't think that's considered skill. So 437 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: fantasy football is currently considered skill and is allowed, I believe, 438 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: which is hysterical. This daily fantasy thing is apparently considered 439 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: a little more gambly, I guess, So it's it's in 440 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: a little more of a gray area, even though everybody's 441 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: is kind of currently ignoring it. But all of the 442 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: articles for some reason, Forbes is like really really into 443 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: online gambling and has been doing a lot of coverage 444 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: of it over the years. Um. And so from reading 445 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: these Forbes articles, the way that they track anything is 446 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: where the money's going. And they talked about, um, how 447 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: these daily fantasy foot like fan Duel are attracting like 448 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: tons of venture capital right now. There's just tens of 449 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: millions of dollars being thrown at these tiny little startups 450 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: that just allow you to do like daily or weekly 451 00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: fantasy sports stress. Um, and that suggests that everybody on 452 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: the street Wall Street thinks that, um, there's going to 453 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: be either a federal law that allows it or this 454 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: federal ruling from two thousand eleven twelve that says it's cool, 455 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: just leave it up to the states is going to 456 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: lead to basically state across the country, state laws that 457 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: regulate and allow this kind of stuff, so that it 458 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: seems to be if you follow the money, the tide 459 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: is turning and online gambling is going to be where 460 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: it's at. Yeah, I mean right now you said gray 461 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: area earlier. There's a lot of gray area, um, all 462 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: over the country and all the states, because like you said, 463 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: some states would like let you play the lottery. Some 464 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: states will let you go to an O T b 465 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: uh and bet on racehorses or bet on racehorses at 466 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: home online. Um, some let you bet on reality TV online, 467 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: and some don't some. There are now three states I think, Delaware, 468 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: New Jersey, and Nevada that have fledged online poker online gambling, 469 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: and I think Nevada is actually running out of Nevada right. 470 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: So Nevada, as far as I know, hilariously only offers 471 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: online poker. They don't have a lottery either to do 472 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: know that, Yeah, they probably don't need one. I guess not, 473 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: but yeah, that's probably what But you could always need 474 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: more money, sure, you know, especially if you're Nevada, You're like, 475 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: give me more money. Yeah, but yeah, they don't have it. 476 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: So I think that you're right though, that Nevada has 477 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: opened up playing two people outside of their state, outside 478 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: of the country. Yeah, but originally they were only allowing 479 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: people in Nevada to play. But I think isn't the 480 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: website owned and run in that state as well? It's 481 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: not like an out of the country deal. Yes, yeah, 482 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Yeah, um, and that's the 483 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: way you New Jersey's is too. So there's this whole 484 00:27:53,840 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: secondary um industry that's grown up around state sanctioned online gambling, 485 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: which is geolocation services which tracks where you, the computer 486 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: user or online gambler are located, so they're watching it 487 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: and if there yeah, well and if your computer comes 488 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: up as outside of the state of New Jersey, you'll 489 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: be blocked from playing. If you come up as inside 490 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: of New Jersey, you can play New Jersey, which has 491 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: a complete um suite of online gambling available and they 492 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: guess Chris Christie said there it was gonna be a 493 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: billion dollar industry in its first year, or there's gonna 494 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: be a billion dollars in tax revenue, and it came 495 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: to be like a tenth of that. So it's not 496 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: quite as Um, it's not catching on like wildfire like 497 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: they thought. But supposedly the casinos that are still standing 498 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: in Atlantic City are still standing because those are the 499 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: ones that went to the troubles setting up online gambling sites. Well, 500 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: that brings us to a good point. Um, there are 501 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: a lot of brick and mortar casino owners, notably um, 502 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: what's his name, Sheldon, Sheldon out Adelson. Yeah, those are 503 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: some of the biggest fat cats casino owners in Vegas, 504 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: and of course they feel threatened, even if they think. 505 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: Addleson's big quote was click your mouth, lose your house. 506 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: And he's saying we're gonna lose half a million jobs. Uh, 507 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: and people are gonna stop coming to casinos. I'm sure 508 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,959 Speaker 1: they're also getting into the online casino game if they 509 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: were smart. I'm sure they are. But um, it raises 510 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: a good point though, Like Vegas, it used to be 511 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: that Vegas made all their money on gambling and you 512 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: could go and stay in a room for ten bucks 513 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: and eat for two dollars. But it's not the same anymore. 514 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: In Vegas is a destination family vacation spot with all 515 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: kinds of revenues coming in, and you need people there 516 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: to bring those revenues in to see the shows and 517 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: to take your kid to the stupid indoor amusement park 518 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: and uh by the now not so cheap food. But 519 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: but that raises question, then do you even need the 520 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: gambling if you have all this other stuff to attract people, Like, 521 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: do you need the casino? And even if you do 522 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 1: need the casino, if you have like the roller coaster 523 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: and the indoor like amusement park and all that stuff 524 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: that you're taking the kids to like, as long as 525 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: you're not losing money by having a casino open, it 526 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like online gambling would detract from that. Yeah, 527 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: I see what you mean. I mean those casinos are 528 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: never losing money. Oh man, even Donald Trump can't make 529 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: money in Atlantic City. Well, that's probably just from overhead 530 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: in low attendance. They're not actually, I mean, the house 531 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: is always winning. Oh, I see what you mean. You 532 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean, But less unless they own the 533 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: casino exactly. Uh. Yeah, we got a great episode on 534 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: casinos that you should look into, and we have one 535 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: on addiction to which is why we're not touching too 536 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: much upon gambling addiction. Yeah, I mean there's a different effort. 537 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: When I was researching this, that's all different things. Obviously, 538 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: it seems like it would make it super easy to 539 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: get addicted for online gambling. But there was this one 540 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: Harvard Medical School study of forty people that they said 541 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: the overwhelming majority of online gamblers playing a very moderate manner, 542 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: spending minimal amounts. I don't know how accurate that is though. 543 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: That was that's site like misused apostrophes and stuff like that. 544 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: I was like, your credibility is a little bit out 545 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: the window because of your grammar. Um, yeah, it's well, 546 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: or maybe it's like any other kind of gambling. If 547 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: you're a moderate gambler, then you'll probably stay that way. 548 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: But if you have a problem with it, it's certainly 549 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: gonna make it easier to throw away a bunch of 550 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: dough And it's not you know, it's not money cash 551 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: money in front of at least in Vegas. That's why 552 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: they used one reason they use chips is to kind 553 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: of trick your brain a little bit, right, to make 554 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: money more abstract. Yeah, but there's nothing more abstract than 555 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: just signing your bank account to something online and clicking it. Yeah, 556 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: because the little wheel on Greedy Goblins is like mesmerizing. 557 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: It's well, it's also it's small too, So I mean, 558 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: you see the slot going, but the amount that you 559 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: have in the bank is not that big, and it 560 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it's linked to real money. In my case, 561 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: it wasn't linked to any real money, but I could 562 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: see very easily how it just seems like a part 563 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: of a game, like a computer game. And apparently there's 564 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: a whole thing called slots for tots um, which is, uh, 565 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: if you were against online gambling, this stuff drives you crazy. 566 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: It's it's basically like Disney versions of casino games for 567 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: little kids, like apps and things like that where there's 568 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: no gambling going on. But it's basically like it's like 569 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: Joe Campbell, it's like prepare for your adulthood as a 570 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: gambler or a smoker or whatever. Make it cartoon in 571 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: fun exactly, or a McDonald's consumer or something like that. Yeah, 572 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: I would be worried. Uh, it seems like an online casino, 573 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: you can find a reputable one, but it seems like 574 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: it would be really really easy because the cards aren't 575 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: in front of you, to cheat the player every time. Well, okay, 576 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: that's another thing too that the grabster points out. So 577 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: if you're an American right now, it's still it's kind 578 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: of a gray area, especially if your state doesn't allow 579 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: online gambling. Um, so you are still a potential target 580 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: for shady online gambling sites. So, and one of the 581 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: things they can do is cheat you out of odds. 582 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: That's why if you play an Australian site, you can 583 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: feel comfortable that the Australian government has vetted this computer 584 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: program and found that the odds are there. It's the 585 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: real deal. Like if you're playing blackjack, that is a 586 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: fifty two card deck and every card is in there, 587 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: even though it's virtual. That's what I would worry about 588 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: is if you start winning too much, they'd be like, 589 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: let's just have this guy lose the next let's put 590 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: the governor on this thing. Yeah, not the governor of Australia, right, 591 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: because he's called the Prime minister. And you know, if 592 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: you listen to the Casinos podcast. Vegas used to be 593 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: fraught with rigged games as well. So, um, it's the 594 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: same thing. It's just the wild West right now as 595 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: far as the online version goes. So so Grabster gives 596 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: a couple of pieces of advice. UM. One, he said, 597 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: especially when you're trying out a new one and you're 598 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: using a payment processor and that kind of stuff. He said, 599 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: open up an account with a small amount of money initially, 600 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: just to see if it works. He said, put a 601 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: little in, try it out, try to get it back out. Um, 602 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: and if everything seems legitimate, then you can start to 603 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: add more money if that's what you want to do. 604 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: He also said that you, um, no matter how much 605 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: trust you have for this company, you want to get 606 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: your money out very regularly, and frequently they get under, 607 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: you're you're done, they go under, they get rated whatever. 608 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: You just want your money out. And again we should 609 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: say this is illegal in a lot in some weird 610 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: way still in the United States, so the Feds could 611 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: conceivably come along and take your money. Yeah, and you're 612 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: also signing up for terms of service, so you've their 613 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: age requirements and um, if you fraudlently sign up for 614 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: something is an underage gambler, then you're breaking the law 615 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: there too, and then recommend that. There's one more thing, man, 616 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about. So when the FEDS in 617 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven rated those top three poker sites um 618 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: and then in the same year, the Department of Justice 619 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: issued that thirteen page memo that said, I think we've 620 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,919 Speaker 1: been misreading this. Uh, those sites that were rated, UM, 621 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice brokered a deal where one of 622 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: the sites that was rated bought the assets of its 623 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: rival that was also rated, with the Department of Justice 624 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: taking the money and then distributing the assets to the 625 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: other illegal gambling operations. They served as the middleman for 626 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: a merger. I would guess that they got a significant 627 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: cut of that the big Yeah, and that's crazy. The 628 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: Department of Justice was brokering a deal between online gambling outfits. Unbelievable. Man. 629 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: So that's it. That's online gambling. If you want to 630 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: know more about it, I suggest you go look it 631 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: up on Forbes because they have a ton of articles 632 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: on it. But first go to how stuff works dot 633 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: com and type in online gambling, and then I'll bring 634 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: up an excellent grab store articles start you out. And 635 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: since I say grab stir, it's time for listener mail. 636 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this the Brazilian. Hey guys, my name 637 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: is Raphael. I'm your greatest fan in Brazil. I've listened 638 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: to at least a hundred episodes. You keep surprising me 639 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: with new interesting topics. I love the Soccer Show, especially 640 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: because you know absolutely nothing about it, which was very 641 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: funny for Brazilian. I thought we were never going to 642 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: talk about that one again. I love podcasts because they 643 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: helped me improve my English, and I can listen to 644 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: them while I am riding the bike at the gym 645 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: or climbing. Last week I was listening to other podcasts 646 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: and I must say that you're winning the competition of 647 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: good knowledge providers. First, I listen to a program of 648 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: Freaconomics Radio called tell Me Something I Don't Know, and 649 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: one of the contenders presented the New York prohibition of 650 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: pinball machines to the early seventies. They might didn't know, 651 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: but I knew because of your show on pinball. I 652 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: remember when that happened. Do you remember that? What? We 653 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: got a lot of email that um, like two weeks 654 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: after we did our pinball show. This guy on Freaconomics 655 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,760 Speaker 1: Radio on that show, but the guy was a pinball expert. 656 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: Because it did a little digging. He did not copy us. 657 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: Oh no, rarely do people copy as I think. No, 658 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: I think you're totally right. Second. Almost at the same 659 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: day that you launched the Nuclear Fusion show, the BBC 660 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 1: podcast in Our Time with Melvin Bragg invited three experts 661 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: to discuss nuclear fusion. Both programs are awesome, but yours 662 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: was funny. Only yours was funny. I could see that. 663 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: My conclusion is that you are beating the heck out 664 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: of other podcasts. Congratulations, WHI should all the best, And 665 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: if I might add, challenge you to make a show 666 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: on deflation and inflation. I'm sure that the crazy Latin 667 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: American experiences to challenge high inflation will amaze you. Ah. 668 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: We have. We've talked about that a bunch. Yeah, stag inflation. 669 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: We did one Rafael called what is stag inflation? Yea um, 670 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: And we've talked about deflation currency. I think currency the 671 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: stuff you should know. Guide to economics, that's right, super 672 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: stuff guide even that's right. So Raphael, the information is 673 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: out there for you and he says p S. Could 674 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: you please tell me if my English is actually improving? Um, 675 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: I don't know where you started. We don't have a 676 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: baseline rough, but your English is pretty darn good. It 677 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: is a couple of like little charming Latin americanisms, I think. 678 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: But um, I think you did a great job. Yeah. Thanks, 679 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: we're your biggest fans. That's right. We appreciate all the 680 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: flattering stuff. Thanks for that. If you want to flatter 681 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: Chuck and I, we're always up for that. And by 682 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: Chuck and I, of course your grammar nazis I mean 683 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: Chuck and me. Don't listen to that part, Raphael uh. 684 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: You can tweet to us at s Y s K podcast. 685 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: You can join us on Facebook dot com, slash stuff 686 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: you Should Know. You can send us an email to 687 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 1: Stuff Podcast at how stuff Works dot com, and as always, 688 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: join us at our home on the web, Stuff you 689 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 1: Should Know dot com For more on this and thousands 690 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: of other topics. Is it how stuff Works dot com.