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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Everybody, Thursday edition, December seventh. Play end Buck starts

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Speaker 2: right now, and play. We both watched last night as

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Speaker 2: this debate played out. We've got a lot for you

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Speaker 2: on that one. We will break it down for you

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Speaker 2: in this hour curtainly work, looking at the various performances,

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Speaker 2: but also how it sets up the candidates, the vague

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Speaker 2: DeSantis Haley, I mean technically still Christie, but then the

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Speaker 2: man who was not there, the man who was still

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Speaker 2: way out in the lead, Donald Trump. What can we

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Speaker 2: glean from this? And I will say from a pure

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Speaker 2: political entertainment perspective, I would argue this may have been

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Speaker 2: the best debated. It also is a reminder that the

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Speaker 2: moment you have eight people or ten people or any

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Speaker 2: of that on stage, it just turns into people squawking

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Speaker 2: at each other. It doesn't really register. There's not enough time,

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Speaker 2: not enough air to let people get into it and

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Speaker 2: let the debates unfold. So that was really interesting. Also,

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Speaker 2: some videos being made by and statements being put out

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Speaker 2: by those college presidents Clay, including from Harvard and from

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Speaker 2: University of Pennsylvania. It turns out that many of the

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Speaker 2: alumni and many major donors board members at some of

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Speaker 2: these elite Ivy League institutions do not think that it

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Speaker 2: is even vaguely okay for the president of Harvard with

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Speaker 2: the president of u penn to say that calling for

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Speaker 2: the genocide of the Jews in campus dedmonstrations is a

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Speaker 2: context based issue that maybe is okay. We'll break down

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Speaker 2: for you the statement, particularly from the University of Pennsylvania president.

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Speaker 2: It was as though the PR coaches were all standing

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Speaker 2: around her as she she gave it. We shall discuss

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Speaker 2: that also, some updates from what's going on in in

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Speaker 2: Israel with the war against Hamas to dive into and

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Speaker 2: some other things as well. We definitely gonna want to

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Speaker 2: hear from you, by the way, your your reactions the

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Speaker 2: last night's debate eight hundred eight to two, eight eight two,

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Speaker 2: and maybe we could just give a little context some

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Speaker 2: of those calls clay outs. I think we asked for

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Speaker 2: biggest winners, biggest losers, right, biggest winner of the night,

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Speaker 2: biggest loser. Then if you're going to call in, who

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Speaker 2: do you think gain? Who do you think lost? Some lost,

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Speaker 2: some momentum or maybe should drop out entirely, but it

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Speaker 2: was as anticipated. Right, we could go down the list

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Speaker 2: the candidates basically taking the roles on that stage that

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Speaker 2: we had thought they would. Chris Christi is the anti Trump,

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Speaker 2: the veik is the younger Maga generation. DeSantis is the

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Speaker 2: uh you know, fried and true conservative governor. Nicky Haley

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Speaker 2: the donor class approved moderate, YadA YadA, right like that,

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Speaker 2: that is how it all shook out. But man, did

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Speaker 2: it get spicy. Let's start with Clay. I thought, can

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Speaker 2: I just play it my craziest and you can? Because

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Speaker 2: it got into it got personal. It is clear that

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Speaker 2: Nicky Haley and Vivey do not like each other. We've

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Speaker 2: said that before, and Viveke this has cut nine. I

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Speaker 2: just want you all to hear this, and Clay that

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Speaker 2: I don't want to hear your reactions to all this.

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Speaker 2: This is Viveke going after Nicki Haley. Play it. She

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Speaker 2: said that I have a woman problem.

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Speaker 3: Nikki.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a woman problem. You have a corruption problem.

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Speaker 2: And I think that that's where people need to know.

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Speaker 2: Nikki is corrupt. This is a woman who will send

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Speaker 2: your kids to die so she can buy a bigger house.

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Speaker 4: This is the problem using identity politics more effectively than.

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Speaker 2: Can I stop? Can I stop it right there? I

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Speaker 2: just because that was hard to catch for a lot

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Speaker 2: of people, including me at home. I had to look

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Speaker 2: at it afterwards. Clay he said that Nicky Haley will

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Speaker 2: bigger house. Strong, strong accusation. I thought that Chris Christy

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Speaker 2: is officially done.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so biggest loser, let's start there. I thought was

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Speaker 5: Chris Christie. I think he needs to drop out. I

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Speaker 5: think he needs to drop out now and he can endorse.

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Speaker 5: It felt like he was going to endorse Nicky Haley.

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Speaker 5: I thought Ron DeSantis was the biggest winner because I

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Speaker 5: thought Nicki Haley had her worst debate so far. In

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Speaker 5: that context, I would put her in third place, and

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Speaker 5: I would put Chris Christy as I said, I think

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Speaker 5: thought Vivek was going to be and this has been

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Speaker 5: be the most polarizing. I think some of you out

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Speaker 5: You think he's a twerp, you think he's a pest,

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Speaker 5: and he drives you insane. I think he equally provokes both.

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Speaker 5: I like Viveke. I thought maybe the strongest debate point

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Speaker 5: different provinces that are being fought over in Ukraine, and

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Speaker 5: Nicki Haley clearly Froze had no idea what the answer

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Speaker 5: to that question was. That was a risky move by

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Speaker 5: Viveke because she could have immediately responded with all three

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Speaker 5: sexist that you just assumed that I don't know, you know.

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Speaker 5: She could have easily turned that into a CounterPunch that

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Speaker 5: really landed on Viveke. Instead, she sort of froze like

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Speaker 5: was that Viveke was was attacking Nicki Haley. But I

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Speaker 5: thought DeSantis, coming off of his performance against Newsom last week,

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Speaker 5: which was I thought the best performance by DeSantis in

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Speaker 5: any debate. I thought this was the best de Santis

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Speaker 2: And I think there.

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Speaker 5: Are many of you out there, to the extent you

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Speaker 5: haven't made up your mind that would say DeSantis seems

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Speaker 5: like the alternative to Trump. I'm increasingly of the opinion

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Speaker 5: that it's going to be what we thought at the beginning,

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Speaker 5: DeSantis versus Trump in the end. Now, the question is

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Speaker 5: do the numbers add up regardless, right, And that's the

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Speaker 5: thing we've been talking about from the get go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that DeSantis. However this election cycle shakes

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Speaker 2: very strongly Trump backing in their disposition, who say DeSantis

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Speaker 2: will never be able to run again after this or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's true. I think that this cycle

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Speaker 2: so far, Donald Trump has owned it and that may change,

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Speaker 2: but that would require something pretty shocking at this point.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean it can't change. It doesn't mean we

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Speaker 2: haven't seen Iowa, we don't know. And you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't know how many times you can say this, because

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Speaker 2: I know, as I say this, Clay, there are people

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Speaker 2: writing out emails like, why are you saying it's I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying it's over. You're not saying it's over. We're

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Speaker 2: just looking at the polls right now where things stand.

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Speaker 2: And if there were outlier polls, we would look at

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Speaker 2: polls say the same thing. All of them say exactly

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Speaker 2: the same impression. So in that world it would be strange,

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Speaker 2: it would be malpracticed for people who live their lives

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Speaker 2: talking about politics to ignore that reality at this point.

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Speaker 2: But point being, I think DeSantis, I think he's grown

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Speaker 2: a lot during the cycle. I think he's gotten better

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Speaker 2: on the stage. I think he's been able to show

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Speaker 2: people his approach to all of this is results scoreboard.

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Speaker 2: He's the guy who stands there, points at the scoreboard

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Speaker 2: that he has as governor, and which I would argue

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Speaker 2: as a Floridian is the best governor's scoreboard in the country,

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Speaker 2: and he says, look what I've done. I keep my promises.

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Speaker 2: I get it done now. Up to this point, still

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Speaker 2: a majority of the GEO p bass has been saying

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Speaker 2: that's great. We appreciate that. However, they're still on They're

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Speaker 2: still on it on Trump, right. But that's not to

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Speaker 2: say that that what DeSantis is is saying, is pointing

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Speaker 2: to is talking about on that stage doesn't resonate and

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Speaker 2: wouldn't put him in a position I think for another

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Speaker 2: election cycle. I know he wouldn't be governed them, but anyway,

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Speaker 2: I think that's very possible. Nicky Haley, though, Nicki Haley

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Speaker 2: a surprise to me, and we should get into some

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Speaker 2: more of these. I mean, the back and forth with

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Speaker 2: Haymakers I've seen thrown on a debate stage in politics period.

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Speaker 2: And I think that that was something we saw a lot.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Nicki Haley though, has been gaining on DeSantis. Why like,

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Speaker 2: what is how is Nicki Haley resonating? Because I will

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Speaker 2: say she got this in last night on that stage

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Speaker 2: where she said, you know, I do better than these

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Speaker 2: other candidates based on the polls in the swing states.

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Speaker 2: I've seen that polling too, so of you. Is that

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Speaker 2: and the moderate Republicans are like, well, she's now our person.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was Ron, but now it's her.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think if you look at it structurally, Ron

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Speaker 5: DeSantis has run to the right of Donald Trump, which

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people have it really because

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Speaker 5: you get so fired up about oh, who's my guy,

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Speaker 5: who's my gal, You're not paying attention to what's often

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Speaker 5: said word by word DeSantis. Let me look at abortion

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Speaker 5: for instance, where he signed the six week ban in Florida.

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Speaker 5: DeSantis's campaign has been to.

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Speaker 2: The right of Trump's.

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Speaker 5: And Trump has been I think somewhat moderate in his

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Speaker 5: in his campaign so far, but Nicki Haley has been

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Speaker 5: more moderate than Trump. So I think the reason why

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Speaker 5: Chris Christy plus Donald Trump, if they were the nominee,

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Speaker 5: would beat Joe Biden. I really one hundred percent do

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Speaker 5: and I think Nicky Haley would slaughter him. And you know,

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Speaker 5: here is to your point about Chris Christian and what

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Speaker 5: is his role up there? Now, I will say the

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Speaker 5: old the only time for me, I mean the send

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Speaker 5: your kids to die in a foreign wars so she

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Speaker 5: could have a bigger house, which she said, Nicky Haley,

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Speaker 5: that's harsh, but fair like you, that's a policy sign too.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 5: If Venk is right that Nicky Haley was worth around

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Speaker 5: one hundred thousand dollars when she left the un and

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Speaker 5: now he said she's worth eight million. If that's true,

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Speaker 5: that does raise my eyebrows. I'm not gonna lie. I mean,

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Speaker 5: that is a big, massive wealth increase in the space

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Speaker 5: Viveate got those dollar figures from, but I actually think

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Speaker 5: that's a pretty good attack on Nicki Hayley. You went

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Speaker 5: from one hundred thousand network to eight million in two years.

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Speaker 5: I wonder how that happened. That's tough to do.

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Speaker 2: But the one place where I think maybe he I

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Speaker 2: Chris Christie to leave the race, go off stage and

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Speaker 2: have a nice meal. That was that. That was there

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Speaker 2: a fat joke. It was a fat He's making a

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Speaker 2: fat joke. We all know what he's doing. There are

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Speaker 2: This is where it always comes down to. They miscalculated

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Speaker 2: unimaginably in twenty sixteen. The whole Democrat media industrial complex

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Speaker 5: I know we've given compliments to Van Jones that CNN before.

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Speaker 7: When those people were saying Jews will not replace us.

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Speaker 2: Of his mouth. I kind of say that the Nazis

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Speaker 5: I think you can attack the Vike on a variety

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Speaker 5: There's a Charlottesville happening in every bluesity in America every

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Speaker 5: they would condemn chance for genocide on campus because it

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Speaker 5: wasn't an actionable action. Hold on saying that you want

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Speaker 5: to eradicate Jews from the planet as you march through

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Speaker 5: some of the most elite academic institutions in the country Harvard, Upen,

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Speaker 5: and MIT, and you're not using that as a talking point,

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Speaker 5: which just happened on Capitol Hill. You're going back whatever

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Speaker 5: it is like five years now to one single march

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Speaker 5: in Charlottesville, and you're trying to connect a brown skinned

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Speaker 5: immigrant whose parents came here because of American freedom and

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Speaker 5: say that he's akin.

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Speaker 2: To a Charlottesville Nazi. I mean, this is what he's saying,

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Speaker 2: is that the brown skinned immigrant to this country is

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Speaker 2: somehow psychotically opposed to brown skin and other immigrants to

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Speaker 2: this country. I mean, this is this is self this

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Speaker 2: is self negating as an argument. It's absurd. But you know,

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Speaker 2: there's always this thing. Whenever you have anyone on the

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Speaker 2: right who is non white. And it's interesting, as we

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Speaker 2: have seen, you know, the Jewish Americans have been shown

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Speaker 2: that on the left very clearly, they are considered you know,

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Speaker 2: they are considered white. Oh even if they're of you know,

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Speaker 2: Middle East back, it doesn't matter white. They're considered white.

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Speaker 2: And whenever there's somebody on the right who I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: you can go back and ask Dinese Jesusa about this, right,

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Speaker 2: there's a special or you know, you can talk to

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Speaker 2: any number of black conservatives about this, right, ask Cannas

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Speaker 2: Owens about this. There's a soul who's been there for Aromas,

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Speaker 2: Soul who's one of the most brilliant conservative writers of

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Speaker 2: your or my lifetime. He's obviously older than both of us,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, They really because it causes

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Speaker 2: not just problems for the narrative on the left, it

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Speaker 2: deeply bothers them because at some level they must recognize

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Speaker 2: there's something more going on here than what the left pretends,

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Speaker 2: which is just skin color should be determining people's core

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Speaker 2: political beliefs and philosophy, which clearly it doesn't and shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: So with all that, I hadn't heard that Van Jones

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Speaker 2: clip until you played it for me. I here's where

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Speaker 2: I worry, man, I worry that as much as an

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Speaker 2: emotionally stable, honest, reasonable person. Here's that. Here's that kind

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Speaker 2: of analysis. And we could fill the whole show with

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Speaker 2: just you know, Morning Joe and The View and The

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Speaker 2: Atlantic and the New York Times. The second Trump term

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Speaker 2: is going to be fascism, Hitler, all this stuff. Emotionally stable,

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Speaker 2: reasonable people hear that and basically dismiss it for a

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of reasons we talk about here on the

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Speaker 2: show regularly. But maybe they're not speaking to those people, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe this is just about the left wants

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Speaker 2: to hear this, and the center is scared enough that

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Speaker 2: they'll go along with it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And that's the that's the rule book, or rather the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's why I circle back to is this

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Speaker 5: the right call to give CNN arguably the two most

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Speaker 5: prominent debates on the Republican calendar. Now you can argue

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Speaker 5: the first Republican debates the most important, the one that

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Speaker 5: took place in Milwaukee. I could see that argument, But

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Speaker 5: because it was a winnowing effect that gave everybody an

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Speaker 5: opportunity for the first time to stand on the stage

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Speaker 5: and be able to be seen as a potential president.

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Speaker 5: But I think when you're talking about doing a debate

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Speaker 5: five days before the Iowa caucus, when you're coming out

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Speaker 5: of the new year and people are starting to pay

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Speaker 5: a lot of attention for the first time to politics,

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Speaker 5: and then for a lot of people that New Hampshire

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Speaker 5: primary a couple weeks later, and then the debate there.

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Speaker 5: Van Jones works at CNN, and not to necessarily say

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Speaker 5: that a network is reflective of what an opinionist says

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Speaker 5: on that network necessarily, but he's not an outlier and

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Speaker 5: as you said, somewhat more regularly astute than many other panelists.

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Speaker 5: They just said that one of the three guys that's

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Speaker 5: going to be on the stage made him shake because

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Speaker 5: he was basically a Nazi. And now you're going to

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Speaker 5: give CNN the opportunity to characterize the Republican Party on

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Speaker 2: For two days. I don't know that. I think my

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Speaker 2: and people obviously can agree disagree with this as they

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Speaker 2: see fit. I think that for the most part in

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Speaker 2: this presidential cycle, so in this presidential cycle and generally speaking,

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Speaker 2: debates are more important for the conversation that they create

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Speaker 2: in the educational effect, or at least the you know,

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Speaker 2: they have by having a big viewership of people making

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Speaker 2: the case. Then that really moves races one way or

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Speaker 2: the other. I think media buys and you know and

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Speaker 2: and candidate appeal in the media matters a whole lot

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Speaker 2: more to who's winning these things than anything we see

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Speaker 2: in any debate. That's my sense of it.

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Speaker 5: I will say, I do think for the donor class,

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Speaker 5: which is very busy, I think a lot of donor

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Speaker 5: do I like or dislike this candidate? And I do

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Speaker 5: think that's where Nikki Haley has gotten some momentum from

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Speaker 5: because of the debates. I would argue Nicky Haley has

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Speaker 2: We both stayed up last night and watch the debates. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: it makes it sound like we had like a slumber

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Speaker 2: I mean it was you know, eight to ten or whatever.

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Speaker 2: It was Eastern time, but we watched the debate last

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Speaker 2: but it matters insofar as you have some very big

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Speaker 2: name GOP figures on that stage last night and they

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Speaker 2: They're in the you know, leave it all in the

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Speaker 2: field phase of the of the debates. It's, you know,

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Speaker 2: have to take any big swings, because you don't want

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Speaker 2: to come across like you're being over eager, you're being nasty.

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Speaker 2: You know, no one has to take a mean shot

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Speaker 2: at Doug Burn. Everyone mutz. You know, Dougie Bee's a

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Speaker 2: good guy, right, So you can kind of let some

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Speaker 2: of that stuff and you don't have to worry about

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Speaker 2: Asa Hutchinson, you know, catching a lot of a lot

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Speaker 2: of wind at his back like he's gonna fade. So

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Speaker 2: in the early debates, I think it's mostly like get

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Speaker 2: to know you and and hang out a little bit.

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Speaker 2: But last night's was rock em sockhem throwdown make an impact,

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Speaker 2: and I thought that was that was important. I want

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Speaker 2: to get to the border conference. The GOP just had Klays.

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Speaker 5: Point the candidates all know each other, so that I

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Speaker 5: used the Royal Rumble analogy a little bit earlier. But

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Speaker 5: sometimes the alliances can surprise. Sometimes you endorse Nicky Haley

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Speaker 5: sooner rather than later, and then there's the DeSantis Vivek side,

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Speaker 5: and I thought DeSantis m of Ake were by far

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Speaker 5: the strongest contenders. And I wonder whether this punctures the

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Speaker 5: Nicky Haley balloon a little bit because I thought this

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Speaker 5: was her worst performance in a debate so far. Big picture,

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Speaker 5: I think that's the takeaway that I had.

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Speaker 2: So we also have As I mentioned this came up

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Speaker 2: in the debate last night. I don't know if there's

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Speaker 2: a more urgent issue in this country now. You could

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Speaker 2: say massive drug overdoses and the criminality, but that's very

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Speaker 2: much tied into the border. You could talk to me

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Speaker 2: about the price of housing and wages keeping up with inflation,

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Speaker 2: and that's also tied into and affected by the border.

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Speaker 2: You won't hear that, not many people, but it's true.

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Speaker 2: The border right now, our wide open border is raising questions.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't even say raising questions. That's far too gentle.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like I'm doing the beginning of a PBS special.

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Speaker 2: Is showing us beyond the shadow of a doubt, we

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Speaker 2: do not have sovereignty. We do not have secure and

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Speaker 2: defended borders in this country. They're wide open for illegal

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Speaker 2: laughing all the way to the bank. To the tune

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Speaker 2: for the human smuggling came up last night of the debate.

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Speaker 2: But I think the GOP's recognizing Clay whoever the standard

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Speaker 2: bearer is Trump DeSantis. Even if Nikki Haley ends up

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Speaker 2: winning the primary, I know, I know, But even if

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Speaker 2: she does win the prime, whatever, the border is the biggest,

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Speaker 2: most obvious weakness that I think the Democrats have inter

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Speaker 2: election with the presidents on the ballot. It was different

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Speaker 2: you know, the president is responsible for our border security.

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Speaker 2: The executive branch answers to the president. This is a

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Speaker 2: big deal. Here is Senator John Thune on the uptick

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Speaker 2: in border crossings. He's calling it. This just happened the

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Speaker 2: last hour GOP holding this conference. This is cut thirty one.

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Speaker 2: Play it.

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Speaker 3: This was a policy choice. This administration made a clear

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Speaker 3: choice when they took office to completely abandon and do

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Speaker 3: away with the policies of the previous administration that we're

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Speaker 3: working at our southern border so much so now that

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Speaker 3: you have even you know, people like Jay Johnson, who

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Speaker 3: the time that one thousand people a day would overwhelm

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Speaker 3: the system and that he couldn't even imagine what four

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Speaker 3: ten to twelve thousand people a day. These last few

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Speaker 3: days are just absolutely overwhelming our system. And this is

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Speaker 3: a huge national security crisis for our country, which our

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Speaker 3: Republicans are dead set on solving.

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Speaker 2: Clay just to give you the numbers, he said, twelve

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Speaker 2: up to twelve thousand a day. It's on average between

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Speaker 2: nine and ten thousand, five hundred and thirty five thousand

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Speaker 2: apprehensions since October first. The number is looking like it's

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Speaker 2: going to be even before the end of Biden's fourth year,

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Speaker 2: eight plus million illegals, It would be one of the

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Speaker 2: top thirty largest states in the country if this were

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Speaker 2: just based on the illegals who have come in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is again a huge vault ability, and we

658
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Speaker 5: should mention that it doesn't seem like Congress is going

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Speaker 5: to figure out at least right now before they ress

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Speaker 5: for the Christmas break. Does it seem like they're going

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Speaker 5: to pass Ukraine funding anything associated with the border. There

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Speaker 5: was talk that there may be some form of compromise

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Speaker 5: they were going to restrict to a large degree the

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Speaker 5: asylum provisions.

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Speaker 2: But here's what's going on.

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Speaker 5: I always go back to what incentives are you providing,

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Speaker 5: because rational humans respond to incentives. Right now, there is

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Speaker 5: nothing to restrict somebody from coming across our southern border.

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Speaker 5: And you know, if you are out there and you

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Speaker 5: are a rational human being, that we're having an election

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Speaker 5: in November and that if Donald Trump wins, there's going

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Speaker 5: to be a massive focus on border security. Axios actually

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Speaker 5: had a write up this morning buck It was their

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Speaker 5: lead story about who might be in positions of prominence

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Speaker 5: in a Trump administration. You know who they said might

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Speaker 5: be a surprise attorney general pick our friend Stephen Miller, who.

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Speaker 2: Is he doesn't actually have a law degree? Is that true? Yes,

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Speaker 2: he had a law degree. He does not mean he's

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Speaker 2: he's a friend of the show. I know him pretty well. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he does not have a law degree. Wow.

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Speaker 5: I thought that he certainly had a that he had

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Speaker 5: a law degree because he cited to act. Well, because

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Speaker 5: everybody has a law degree. It feels like on some

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Speaker 5: level just about.

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Speaker 2: Well, he runs a legal institute that does a lot

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Speaker 2: of suing of the communists, but he himself is not

687
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Speaker 2: a lawyer anyway.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's interesting. When does he have to be? He

689
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Speaker 5: just blew my mind here. I'm trying to work through

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Speaker 5: it in my head. You know, you don't have to

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Speaker 5: be a lawyer. I don't think to sit on the

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court. You don't have to be a judge. I

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Speaker 5: know that for sure. Lots of places you don't have

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Speaker 5: to be a judge. And if I'm wrong on this,

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Speaker 5: I'm sure I'll get deluged by you guys out there

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Speaker 5: because I.

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Speaker 2: Haven't bet I should say states, I think and counties

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Speaker 2: are different. I know there are places where you do

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Speaker 2: not have to be a lawyer to be a judge,

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Speaker 2: that's correct. I don't think you would have to. Again,

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Speaker 2: everyone is I think that the Supreme Court does not

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Speaker 2: mandate that you be a lawyer. Now would somebody get confirmed.

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Speaker 5: That they weren't, But the attorney general, I think everybody

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Speaker 5: has been a lawyer. So when I saw his name

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Speaker 5: in the Axios article this morning, I just presumed that

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Speaker 5: he was an attorney general. I mean that he was

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Speaker 5: a lawyer. I hadn't really thought about it before. Surely

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Speaker 5: they wouldn't. I mean, maybe Axios is totally wrong and

709
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Speaker 5: didn't do their research on that, but I think he

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Speaker 5: would be prominently focused there because the article was about

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Speaker 5: how aggressive can Trump get on the border. The other

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Speaker 5: little tidbit that they had in the Axios staff can

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Speaker 5: research that to be sure. The other tidbit that I

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Speaker 5: thought was interesting there they talked about vice presidential potential contenders,

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Speaker 5: and the report from Axio is that Malania Trump loves

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Speaker 5: Tucker Carlson, loves the idea of Tucker Carlson as VP.

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Speaker 5: We asked Trump about it at mar A Lago last month,

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Speaker 5: and I gotta say, Malanya great mind always been of

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Speaker 5: the opinion that she sees the chessboard very efficiently.

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Speaker 2: I think saw something the VP pick. From my understanding,

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Speaker 2: from my understanding of people very close to president of

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Speaker 2: former President Trump, Malania sometimes has better gut instincts on

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Speaker 2: people than Trump does because Trump is very much How

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Speaker 2: does you know, how does that person interact with him?

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Speaker 2: How's their dynamic? I've heard from people, and this is

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Speaker 2: just people that were in that White House, that Milania

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Speaker 2: can kind of sense and be like that guy. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: So if she likes Tucker, I don't think that's something

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Speaker 2: that isn't in the conversation. Now.

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Speaker 5: Remember after the twenty twenty two elections, and I saw

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Speaker 5: this and I thought it was very funny. Trump said,

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Speaker 5: you know, maybe not Milania's best decision. He blamed her

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Speaker 5: for doctor Oz. Do you remember that, Like, I think,

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Speaker 5: how funny that is funny. I did not know he

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Speaker 5: threw her under the bus on that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he threw her under the buck.

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Speaker 5: And I thought it was very funny because I was

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Speaker 5: totally take Trump and Milania out of the equation. Anyone

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Speaker 5: who's ever been married and blamed his wife for something

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Speaker 5: that didn't go well, I don't care whether you're the

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Speaker 5: president of the United States.

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Speaker 2: I don't care like.

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Speaker 5: I thought that was so funny that he was like,

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Speaker 5: maybe not her best decision, but it indicated that he

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Speaker 5: does listen to her.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but yeah, I've heard that he listens on personnel.

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Speaker 2: So maybe maybe, you know, maybe that was her fault.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he was just you know, taking making her take

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Speaker 2: one for Team Trump on that one. But I'll say this,

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Speaker 2: I think, and this isn't just because of what he's

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Speaker 2: been doing recently, But the more I look at it,

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Speaker 2: I think we underestimated the strength of the Democrat machine

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Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania, and I think we underestimated how Fetterman would

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Speaker 2: play to Democrat votevoters in Pennsylvania. Sure, nationally we talk

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Speaker 2: about his cognition and the hoodies and the whole thing,

756
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Speaker 2: but he created a persona and a brand that was

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Speaker 2: strong enough with those voters that he won independent voters.

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Speaker 2: Against doctor Oz, you had a guy who say what

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Speaker 2: you will, the whole hoodie situation, you know, hoodie and

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Speaker 2: shorts and everything else. He was going with, I'm so authentic,

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Speaker 2: I don't even care how I dress, against doctor Oz, who,

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Speaker 2: for all of his strengths, authenticity was not necessarily seen

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Speaker 2: as one of them, nor was his ability to put

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Speaker 2: together a charcuterie plate.

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Speaker 5: Well, they definitely attacked him on the fact that he

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Speaker 5: was a carpetbagger, which is something that is significant in

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Speaker 5: many parts of the country. That is, I believe he

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Speaker 5: lived in New Jersey for much of his life. And

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Speaker 5: then so he's coming into Pennsylvania and that I think registered.

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Speaker 5: And then also the you know, going out and making

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Speaker 5: a plate of charcuterie, which I'm gonna be honest with you, like,

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Speaker 5: I don't even know what that is. And I regularly

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Speaker 5: will go out, but you know, I'm not very astute

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Speaker 5: when it comes to food. So when I heard I'm

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Speaker 5: making a plate of charcuterie, that's not what I would

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Speaker 5: buy at a tailgate, right, Chips and saucea is about

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Speaker 5: as far as I go.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I might try to set up charcuterie at

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Speaker 2: a tailgate, but yes, generally speaking, that's not what you

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Speaker 2: would necessarily.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna have beer and probably chips and salsas at

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Speaker 5: like ninety percent of the tailgates I've ever gone to,

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Speaker 5: maybe gonna get really fancy and have a Chick fil

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Speaker 5: a sandwich.

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Speaker 2: Can I make my pitch to you about salsa versus keso. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: keiso is superior, but keso is dangerous. You can polish

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Speaker 2: off a whole thing of kso, and then, if you're me,

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Speaker 2: you feel bad about yourself for the next few hours

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Speaker 2: because you're like I just ingested like eighty or one

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Speaker 2: hundred grams of saturated fat polishing off all that keso.

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Speaker 2: You can drink a bucket of salsa and it's basically

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Speaker 2: like Veggie's. You're good to go.

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Speaker 5: I am one billion percent in disagreement with you that

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Speaker 5: cheese is better than salsa.

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Speaker 2: Wait, you don't agree that it's better tasting. I'm saying

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Speaker 2: it's the better option because of the price you pay. Nutritionally, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm not even thinking about the nutrient. I would rather

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Speaker 2: eat salsa than cheese dip. Oh oh, I would much.

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Speaker 2: You're better, infinitely better as a choice between the audience.

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Speaker 2: I don't want controversial.

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Speaker 5: I don't want big cheese after me out there, right,

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Speaker 5: So I'm not trying to throw the cheese dip people.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to.

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Speaker 5: I want us to still be popular in Wisconsin. I

805
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Speaker 5: don't want the cheeseheads coming after me all around packer Nation.

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Speaker 5: I'm not anti caeso or cheese dip or whatever you

807
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Speaker 5: want to call it. Salsa, however, is better as an

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Speaker 5: option to dip a chip into.

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Speaker 2: I don't even have to make this case. This is

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Speaker 2: like maybe Haley shrugged her shoulders and was like, I

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Speaker 2: have no response to this. That's just that's just outrageous.

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Speaker 5: I may even go some of you out there not

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Speaker 5: in the long you agree with me. Now I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: now I'm gonna throw you for an uproar. I actually

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Speaker 5: think the the standard French onion dip is the best

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Speaker 5: of the chip dips, given an option that you can

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Speaker 5: buy easily in a store. Some of you are out

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Speaker 5: there were like, I like, you know Buffalo chicken dip

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Speaker 5: or you know where you mix all this stuff together.

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Speaker 5: Three primary dipping options. I go fringe onion one, salsa two,

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Speaker 5: your caso dip irie.

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, now, he's just being inflammatory everybody. I

823
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Speaker 2: just want you to understand. He's just he's trolling you

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Speaker 2: for emails right now and clicks. This is nonsense. He

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Speaker 2: does not believe what he's saying. Also, add another caveat.

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Speaker 2: I think it can depend on the chip. If you

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Speaker 2: have the tostito chip. Clearly salsa is the top choice,

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Speaker 2: but if you have like a standard like ruffles chip,

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Speaker 2: I think the French onion dip is the better choice.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'll throw this in the mix. To me,

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Speaker 2: any dip that has crab in it issaperior to any

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Speaker 2: dip that doesn't. That's that's just a personal preference. Yeah, great,

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Speaker 2: papawn over here. I mean, I like any dip that

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Speaker 2: has caviare is.

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Speaker 8: Far better than any other dip. Crab lobsterman. I just

836
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Speaker 8: outed myself there. I gotta put the top hat in

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Speaker 8: the monocle aside here for a second. So anyway, what

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Speaker 8: do you think about Okay, we'll return to the border here.

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Speaker 2: In a second because it's really important. We'll get to it.

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Speaker 2: But obviously we're gonna have some hot takes on the

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Speaker 2: superior dip I think, and you can all let Clay

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Speaker 2: know that he is he is wrong. Now, look, it's

843
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Speaker 2: switching gears here for a second. We're going to the

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Speaker 2: holiday season and it's one of those times where I'd

845
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Speaker 2: like to remind myself and everybody else what's most important

846
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Speaker 2: is how you show those who matter to you that

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Speaker 2: you love them, and how you live by your principles.

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Speaker 2: Now people are going to be getting all kinds of

849
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Speaker 2: great gifts for each other, and that's fantastic. But you know,

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Speaker 2: there's something you can do that I think is going

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Speaker 2: to make you feel like this holiday season is special,

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Speaker 2: and it's just set aside a little bit of money

853
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Speaker 2: whatever you think you can afford to give right now

854
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Speaker 2: in this season of giving to Preborn. Preborn does amazing stuff.

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Speaker 2: They save the lives of tiny unborn babies, and they

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Speaker 2: do it in a way that just shows support and

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Speaker 2: love for women who are in a crisis moment in

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Speaker 2: their pregnancy and are making a decision. Here's what they do.

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Speaker 2: Preborn provides a free ultrasound to mothers who are at

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Speaker 1: Inspiring you to seek out the truth. The Clay Travis

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Speaker 5: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 5: of you hanging out with us. We are joined now

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Speaker 5: by my friend Riley Gaines, who threw the Congressional left

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Speaker 5: into an uproar during her testimony earlier this week. Riley,

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Speaker 5: thanks for coming on hanging out with us. Are you

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Speaker 5: still in many ways stunned that you could be called

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Speaker 5: a transphobe because you don't think that a man should

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Speaker 5: be able to swim against a woman?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I in many ways I have to.

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Speaker 5: Take a step back and say I can't believe that

890
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Speaker 5: this is where we have ended up. But that's what

891
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Speaker 5: you were called by a congressional testimony, and then you

892
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Speaker 5: responded by calling one of the congressmen who said that

893
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Speaker 5: that she was a misogynist, and then she had no

894
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 5: idea how to respond, which was I loved everything about

895
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Speaker 5: that clip. For people who didn't see us, kind of

896
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Speaker 5: take us through what that process of what your experience

897
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Speaker 5: was like.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I would say stunned is a good word, not

899
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Speaker 4: even necessarily to be called, to be called transphobic for

900
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Speaker 4: saying this, because that's become evidently clear that that's the

901
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Speaker 4: tactics they use to keep us quiet. But I was

902
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Speaker 4: stunned by a sitting US House of representative. I mean,

903
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Speaker 4: that's what was mind blown to me. Of course, as

904
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Speaker 4: you said in her opening monologue, the very first thing

905
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Speaker 4: any Democrat said in this hearing, it was representatively the

906
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Speaker 4: ranking member. The very first thing she said was, you know,

907
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Speaker 4: I can't believe that I'm going to be forced to

908
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Speaker 4: sit here and listen to this transphobic bigotry. And so

909
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you I couldn't really even listen to the

910
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Speaker 4: rest of her hearing because I was so caught up

911
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Speaker 4: on this and I'm sitting there thinking to myself, Look,

912
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Speaker 4: my argument is not anti trans. My argument is very

913
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Speaker 4: much pro woman. I'm standing for something, I'm not standing

914
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Speaker 4: against anything. And in those moments she's reading her monologue,

915
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Speaker 4: and of course I know about to be my turn

916
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Speaker 4: to testify. I'm thinking to myself, Okay, if being pro

917
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Speaker 4: woman is immediately deemed anti trans, what it being pro

918
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Speaker 4: trans be anti woman inherently? And what do we call

919
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Speaker 4: someone who is anti one?

920
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Speaker 7: To call them?

921
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Speaker 6: Uh?

922
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Speaker 4: And that's exactly what she and all of the Democrats

923
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Speaker 4: a part of that subcommittee. That's what they displayed was

924
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 4: a clear contempt, really hatred, prejudice talkman. And that's that's

925
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 4: exactly what we called misogynists. And so I could not

926
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Speaker 4: pass up the opportunity to be able to say this

927
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Speaker 4: to her face.

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Speaker 2: It was well done, Riley, it's back, thanks for being

929
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Speaker 2: here with us. What argument do elected officials I mean

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Speaker 2: in that hearing we saw, I saw the clip with

931
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Speaker 2: you in it, but I sorry, I was I was

932
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Speaker 2: unable to watch the entirety of the hearing they were holding.

933
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Speaker 2: What argument do these Democrat politicians make that it is

934
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Speaker 2: not I don't know how to say this other than

935
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Speaker 2: just to say it that it's not it's clearly insane

936
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Speaker 2: to let biological men compete in athletics against women, just

937
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Speaker 2: in terms of what we all know the results will

938
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Speaker 2: be and all the rest of it, Like, what is

939
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Speaker 2: there argument even made? Or is it just they throw

940
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Speaker 2: words like transphobic at you.

941
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Speaker 4: Well, I'll just say blame you're watching it. I mean

942
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Speaker 4: it's four hours of being berated and exactly as you said,

943
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Speaker 4: name calling. What I thought was so interesting and again

944
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Speaker 4: something I took note of while sitting there. Every single

945
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Speaker 4: Democrat defected from issue entirely and pointed towards things like

946
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Speaker 4: abortion or the Violence Against Women's Act or the Equal Recommends,

947
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Speaker 4: which historically Republicans are labeled woman haters for voting in

948
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Speaker 4: opposition of. They pointed to that the entire time. They couldn't.

949
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Speaker 4: They know science isn't on their side. They know common sense, logic, reasoning, No,

950
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Speaker 4: that's not on their side, and that's why they resort

951
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Speaker 4: to the things they do. One thing I thought was

952
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Speaker 4: incredibly interesting. I thought to myself, before this yearning, I

953
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Speaker 4: knew they were going to deflect, but I said to myself, well,

954
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Speaker 4: there's no way they can pull the race card here,

955
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Speaker 4: which they love to do, and you bet your bottom

956
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Speaker 4: dollar they did pull the race cards and when it's

957
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Speaker 4: far to say that segregating sports by sex is the

958
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Speaker 4: same as what we went through in the Civil rights movement.

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Speaker 5: So first of all, good job and Lady Ballers, you

960
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Speaker 5: have a cameo in there. It was good to see

961
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Speaker 5: you at at the premiere. That movie's been very well received.

962
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Speaker 5: What did you think of the movie? By the way,

963
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Speaker 5: I thought it was really funny, but also I didn't

964
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Speaker 5: expect it to be so heartwarming at the end. For

965
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Speaker 5: people who don't know this is the Daily Wire comedy.

966
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Speaker 5: Both Riley and I are in. We went to the

967
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Speaker 5: premiere on Wednesday at here in Nashville, our hometowns.

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Speaker 2: What did you think of it?

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Speaker 4: You know, when they initially reached out to me to

970
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Speaker 4: be a part of this, I said no. I thought

971
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Speaker 4: to myself, you know, I don't want to make fun

972
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Speaker 4: of mclighthearted of an issue I take very seriously. I

973
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Speaker 4: didn't think it would be a good look, and at

974
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Speaker 4: the time, of course, I didn't think it would be

975
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Speaker 4: appropriate to laugh at this. But I prayed about it,

976
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 4: is what I did, and I thought about it and

977
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Speaker 4: after doing those things, I thought to myself, this is

978
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Speaker 4: actually exactly what we need, and it's what the left

979
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 4: does so well. They've overtaken the public square in just

980
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 4: about every realm, of course, academia of corporate America, of

981
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 4: course in entertainment as well. It's time we fight back,

982
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 4: and the way we fight back is with smiles on

983
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Speaker 4: our faces. And so I ended up calling back the

984
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Speaker 4: day before filming. They had already I mean, it was

985
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Speaker 4: amazing they were even able to accommodate anymore, and I

986
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Speaker 4: told them, after thinking about it, I would love to

987
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Speaker 4: be a part. And of course they did a phenomenal job,

988
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Speaker 4: not just with the production and the acting, but you're

989
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 4: exactly right. The storyline was incredible and I got choked

990
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Speaker 4: up at several points throughout, and Clay, it was actually

991
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 4: your character that had me choked up at first in

992
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Speaker 4: the movie, because you were the character that no one

993
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Speaker 4: had in real life, have a coach who was willing

994
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Speaker 4: to say no and stand up for us. And that's,

995
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Speaker 4: of course, like I said, the character you played, and

996
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Speaker 4: so watching that, I wish we had that. But it

997
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 4: was amazing. I couldn't have been more impressed with with

998
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Speaker 4: with what they did with that film.

999
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Speaker 5: Yeah, for people who don't know, I play a women's

1000
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Speaker 5: basketball coach who when boys come out pretending to be girls,

1001
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Speaker 5: I just you know, say no, no, no, and like

1002
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Speaker 5: and call out the farce of it, which, as you

1003
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Speaker 5: are pointing out, is far too uncommon in all of athletics.

1004
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Speaker 5: There's a lot of coaches out there who are cowards

1005
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Speaker 5: when they're confronted by this.

1006
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Speaker 2: Speaking of cowardice.

1007
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Speaker 5: Also this week, and I'm sure I know you've seen

1008
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Speaker 5: the clips we had, the presidents of Harvard, UPenn, and

1009
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Speaker 5: mi I t refuse to condemn genocide when it comes

1010
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 5: to campus speech there and say that it's not actually

1011
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 5: hate speech, that it doesn't violate codes. You're going all

1012
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Speaker 5: over the country speaking on college campuses, and I couldn't

1013
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 5: help but think about that from your perspective. They won't

1014
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Speaker 5: let you many of these universities freely speak and say

1015
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 5: men shouldn't be able to compete against women because they

1016
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 5: are worried that it violates their speech codes. But they're

1017
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Speaker 5: fine with people walking around calling for the genocide of Jews.

1018
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 5: That had to strike you also as pretty unbelievable to

1019
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Speaker 5: hear what you heard in that hearing as well.

1020
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Speaker 4: Gosh, this hearing was the same day as as my hearing,

1021
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Speaker 4: and so I was on Capitol Hill watching and man,

1022
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Speaker 4: I will tell you, I was so taken aback because

1023
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 4: I'm sitting there listening to this, and it occurred to

1024
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Speaker 4: me it only took the beheading, the rape, the torture,

1025
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Speaker 4: the killing of innocent people for these prestigious or what

1026
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 4: used to be considered prestigious universities. It only took those

1027
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Speaker 4: things for these universities to finally stand for free speech.

1028
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 4: I mean, it was not only is it disheartening, I

1029
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 4: think it's actually incredibly chilling. It's a pretty scary sign

1030
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 4: that universities that's what it takes for them to stand

1031
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 4: for our freedoms as Americans. But you're exactly right me.

1032
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Speaker 4: I've been canceled off these universities. Harvard tried to cancel

1033
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,959
Speaker 4: my speech. I wasn't allowed to speak at Penn State.

1034
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 4: It's mine blowing and I don't know how more people

1035
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 4: don't see it. I don't know how more people on

1036
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 4: the left aren't calling this what it is, which again

1037
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Speaker 4: is blatant anti semitism. That's clear as day. And of course,

1038
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Speaker 4: after this hearing, what I thought to be interesting is

1039
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Speaker 4: each and every one of these presidents from these universities

1040
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Speaker 4: then took to their social media's to post. You know,

1041
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Speaker 4: let me be clear, we don't stand with genocide or

1042
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Speaker 4: calls for genocide. But I can guarantee you what caused

1043
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Speaker 4: that was. Of course they had to have they got

1044
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 4: to get a teleprompter in front of them. But also

1045
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 4: I'm sure they were getting calls from their from donors

1046
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 4: and different things because the public is outraged by this,

1047
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Speaker 4: and rightfully so.

1048
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Speaker 2: Riley gains everybody. Riley, heave up the fire. I always

1049
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: appreciate you thanks for making time for us here today.

1050
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 4: I certainly will and thank.

1051
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Speaker 2: You guys good stuff.

1052
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 5: Riley also, by the way, has a podcast she does

1053
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Speaker 5: it out Kick. I'm proud to have her working with

1054
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Speaker 5: us in addition to all the other things that she's

1055
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 5: doing there. But you really should go watch some of

1056
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 5: the clips of that testimony if you haven't already seen it,

1057
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 5: and you know a big part of why men and

1058
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 5: this is no great shock, have a advantage when it

1059
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 5: comes to athletics. Why men are bigger, stronger, and faster

1060
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 5: than women is because we have a lot more testosterone

1061
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 5: in our body, and testosterone is much of what powers

1062
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 5: that male drive, that male energy, that male bigger vitality.

1063
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Speaker 5: If you don't have testosterone, you probably don't have great energy,

1064
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Speaker 5: and that lack of energy can drag you down. And

1065
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Speaker 5: that's why you might want to be considering male vitality.

1066
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Speaker 5: Chalk how about all natural testosterone in their products that

1067
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Speaker 5: will make sure that you are well on your way

1068
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Speaker 5: to getting back testosterone.

1069
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Speaker 2: You know, have you ever tried to work out before, Claig,

1070
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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering you ever.

1071
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Speaker 5: Trying to put? Yeah, No, I got the Chad pre Workout.

1072
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Speaker 5: It's amazing.

1073
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Speaker 2: It's I'm being completely serious because I've been and I

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