WEBVTT - Draft Show: How Has Free Agency Affected The Draft? 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:06.439 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:09.520 on there war room for in center news and draft 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:13.640 analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:18.680 the Star in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Selectio Elliot and now 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:23.600 your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:28.159 But we welcome you to the SWBC Mortgage Studios. You 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.480 do have the Draft Show. Brian brought us, Dan Brugler, 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:36.720 David Hellman, Kate Garrison Executive producing. Today. We are full 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:40.120 on in the middle of free agency going on right now, 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:45.159 players being signed, released, big time players. How does that 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:49.840 affect what we're about to see in this NFL drafting again? 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.600 Forty two days, Yeah, forty two days. I'm really again 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:54.560 happy to have my guys here to kind of talk 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:58.279 about what direction I initially want to go with that. 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:00.240 I want to talk about that and also want to 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:04.400 get into though, you know, we have this philosophy. I'm 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:08.840 an old scout, you know, nineteen ninety two. Dane is 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.600 a young scout, but an old scouted heart. With some 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.040 of his thoughts and with some of these signings and stuff, 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.200 I want to get into maybe talk about that a 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.520 little bit later about does our ideas change about when 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:22.880 guys need to be taken or not? And I know 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.920 I always fight with you guys about drafting guards and 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.160 stuff like that when you do that, but I want 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.560 to ask some questions about if things change, you know, 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.520 if your philosophy. Do we always seeing a shift in 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:39.720 scouting philosophy when it pertains to some of these positions 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.880 that we really didn't feel like was going to be. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.319 You know, like I remember, Chris Niolie, I told you 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:49.560 this earlier. New Orleans Saints drafted a guard tenth overall, 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:51.920 I want to say, and that that to me was shocking. 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.080 You know, as far as that goes today, that doesn't 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.240 bother me. I know it. I know it kind of 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.200 it goes against the norm of drafting. But I want 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.040 to get into that later. But as we look at 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.600 the landscape of free agency in the way it's going 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:10.400 right now, I'm looking at teams for the Cowboys perspective, Okay, 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.160 you've got all those quarterbacks we're talking about, can you 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:17.239 drive players down that board? That's gonna be the key. 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.400 Is there somebody gonna be coming down that board that 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:25.920 we didn't see? Quarterback teams that took ahead of you, 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.239 the Cardinals, they signed Sam Bradford. That's a pick at 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:33.840 you at fifteen. Sam Bradford help you? Or does that? 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:38.400 Does the Arizona do they still need to draft a 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.720 quarterback at fifteen? If one's there, I'm gonna go out 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.600 on a limb and say, the only quarterback needy team 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:50.240 in the league that now is not quarterback needy is Minnesota. Yeah, 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.560 they gave they gave Kirk Cousins all the money in 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.000 the world. I don't I can't imagine them spending a 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.760 big time draft asset on a quarterback, but literally everyone 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.800 else you're talking and stop gaps. I mean Case Keenum 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.960 and Denver, Okay, but if I agree that's the only 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.160 one where well, but I would even say, I mean, 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.680 if you love a quarterback at five or you think 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.560 you can get I mean Case Keenum isn't enough and 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.520 I don't think they paid him enough where if they 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.440 really feel like they can get a great quarterback, it 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.160 would stop him. Same goes. I mean a J. M. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.240 McCarron is clearly a stop gap for the quarterback that 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:26.120 Buffalo wants to draft. Um Sam Bradford is not stopping 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.880 me from doing anything. Yeah, Sam Bradford's up, you know 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:33.160 at with the New York Jets, McCown and Teddy. I 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.040 think I'm very intrigued by the Bridgewater deal, and I 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:37.640 hope it works out for him because I root for 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:39.600 him as a person. But that wouldn't stop me from 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.720 drafting a quarterback if I were the Jets either. No, No, 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.040 you're astol. You're right, and so nothing has changed for 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.080 you guys, nothing's changed the shot on that front, like 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.760 it's still gonna be. It's still gonna still feel like 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.120 they're potentially that all those quarterbacks can go early. Then 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.640 all of a sudden, now, hey, here's that You've You've 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.360 been on the train about the why receiver Ridley. You 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.360 have been on that train since the combine. And I 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.920 like what you're saying there. I like what you're saying there. 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:10.680 So to me, if I'm interested in Ridley, which we 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:12.880 all are, you know, let's see if they're interested in 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:17.160 Ridley though all these quarterbacks, nothing's changed for us, right, 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.880 No quarterback is going number one to the Browns. Lock 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:24.120 it in, okay, and then you have I like what 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.400 Dave was saying about case Kiman in Denver. I think 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.120 what that does for them is they don't have to 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:30.520 trade up. Now. Now if the right quarterback is there 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.600 at five, yeah you don't, you take them, But they 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:34.680 don't have to trade up. They're not pressure to do that. 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.240 Buffalo they made that trade with Cordy Glenn. So now 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.919 they're picking number twelve and twenty two puts them in 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.400 striking distance. I mean, they're basically doing what Philly did 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.760 two years ago with Carson Wentz. Now they're in striking 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.679 distance to go up into the top five or six picks, 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.839 to go up there get their quarterback. Nothing has changed 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:55.440 in terms of the we're going to see four, maybe five, 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.839 probably five quarterbacks go somewhere in the top fifteen picks, 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.440 which and I mean, yeah, so you're still talking probably 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.320 a solid third of the picks that go before the 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:09.719 Cowboys at nineteen. That helped them, I think, yeah, so, 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.160 but in terms of like the landscape, that's you know, 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:16.240 when Buffalo made that trade, everybody was like, well, this 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.400 is this is great. It's gonna push somebody down the 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.400 board to the Cowboys. And I was like, I don't 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.400 it's not any different because yeah, we knew that quarterback 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.040 was always going. We just didn't know where. We didn't 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.120 know it was twelve to the Bills, but we knew somehow, 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.320 some way, one of those guys would probably go in 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:35.159 that range. Could Buffalo sit there at their spot and 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.760 pick a quarterback, You think they could, But I don't 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.320 think you're going to. If you look at the history 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.800 of quarterbacks that have gone in the first round, if 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.280 you didn't have that number one pick, right, chances are 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.800 you traded up for your quarterback. Sure. And this is 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.520 why I don't understand people saying, oh, Cleveland could just 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:53.440 take Barkley at one and get their quarterback at four. 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.160 That's that's a dangerous play. Well, no, you don't get 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.320 cute when it comes back exactly and get your guy. 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.320 And it's not position where oh we didn't get our 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:03.240 top guy, we'll just get our second guy. No, you 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.080 don't settle for a quarterback. You go and get your guy. 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:10.400 And if it cost you an extra second round pick, okay, 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.360 you know you do that for a guy that you 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.440 think could be the leader of your franchise for the 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:19.440 long term. And so I think Buffalo high very high 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.599 chance we see Buffalo trade into somewhere in the top 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.160 five picks, whether that's it could be New York at two, 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:29.120 could be Indie at three, It could be Cleveland at four. 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.159 The Jets, they have so many quarterbacks on that roster, 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.280 they still have Hackenburg. Are they just gonna cut him? 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.200 Do they? Yeah? They I don't know what they're gonna 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.240 do with all those quarterbacks, but I think the answer 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.040 about the long term there isn't one. And so what 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:45.839 are they gonna do? Are they trade up to the 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.279 top five, cut Petty and Hackenburg? Draft a guy? And 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.600 have you know Teddy be your your week? Word is 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:56.239 option with him behind him? Word is that Woody Johnson, 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.719 the owner, and Mike mcagnan, they they they by directive, 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.760 were having that their scouting department go to every one 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:08.080 of those games at usc UCLA, Oklahoma. They should about 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.320 they were, they were scouting every one of those games. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.120 Which and to that point about the Bills, you don't 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.760 trade up to twelve this far before the draft just 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:18.360 to hang out there, you know, like if they were 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.840 content to see, if they were content to wait for 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.520 like Baker Mayfield or Lamar Jackson to fall down the 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.440 board before they trade it, they would have just stayed 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:28.040 at twenty one, like the fact that they're positioning themselves 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:30.720 here tells me they're going they're going to let me 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.960 ask you this though, Okay and okay, now we're talking 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.680 about what some chaos that could happen at the top 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:41.040 of that board. Does that make things expensive for the Cowboys? 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.600 Now if they want to get up, say we've we've 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.960 talked about Miami as a potential landing spot at eleven, 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.280 does that make Does that affect them in any way 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.680 They're like, hey, you know there, are they going to 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.280 have to maybe overpay we We kind of feel like 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.360 though that that could be that had for the fifth 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.800 overall pick. So they're gonna be competing with another Yeah, 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.720 that's what I'm saying. Are they as looking for a quarterback? Yeah, 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.000 that's what I'm saying. Is that going to affect the 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.120 way that the Cowboys are they gonna Is it gonna 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.080 be Is it gonna make it too pricey for them 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:16.800 to go up and have to get a guy? I 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.840 don't think so. Um, because I don't think. I don't 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:21.480 think this trade this team is going to trade under 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.280 the top ten. If they do trade up, well, I 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.320 know I was kind of hanging in eleven I was trying. 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:28.480 I was trying to hang at that Miami position where 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.920 you know that is, And I mean we've been we've 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.520 been pinpointing twelve for weeks, right, and now that seems 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.920 unlikely because it's either the Bills who are looking for 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.520 a quarterback or the team they trade with who has 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.320 already traded down one. See. What I'm saying is is 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:47.000 somebody is if if Buffalo doesn't move at twelve, if 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.200 they sit at twelve, and that's as far as they 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:53.200 can get, is Miami's pick gonna be too expensive for 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.160 somebody to try and get ahead of Buffalo. Probably That's 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.439 where That's what I'm trying to say, right, there's no 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:00.680 Miami might be one of the teams it's not going 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.200 to trade up for a quarterback. We don't know. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.840 Bryan Tannehill can't stay healthy and you know the See, 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.040 I'm trying to find spots for the Cowboys to get 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:11.840 to and I'm and I'm now I think I'm gonna 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.319 have some trouble here. Who's who's it? Thirteen thirteen Washington? 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.120 It really depends on how the first on a top 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.600 ten plays out. And fourteen's Green Bay fourteen's Green Bay. Yeah, 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:22.800 it's a three to four. That's it's a three to four. 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.839 I don't love this. See that's what I'm saying. I 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.600 was I'm glad you got to explain the quarterback thing 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:31.720 of maybe driving a guy. That was my first point. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.080 Second point is though, what if I want to go 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:37.320 get a guy, Is it gonna be too expensive or 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:41.160 is Miami? Is somebody gonna hold you up thinking that 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.719 they've got value as long as those quarterbacks are still 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.160 on the board. I think this is a draft where 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.800 there will be teams that are will be perfectly okay 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:54.880 with trading back twice. So let's just say that would 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.360 be nice. Let's say it's Indie. Say Buffalo goes up 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:02.200 to number three, they go, they call Chris Ballard, they 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:06.840 get the third pick for what twelve, twenty two, and like, 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.559 what next year's three if that could have done? And 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:15.120 so Indie's picking at twelve, Dallas wants to get up 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.360 to twelve. I don't think Chris Ballard would wouldn't mind 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.800 at all picking up another Day two pick to go 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.280 back a few spots and still feel good about the 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.480 player he's getting at nineteen. If Ballard were to go 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:29.240 to Buffalo at twelve. Then for Dallas, that's that's again 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.080 we've talked about this before. Dallas would have to be 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.400 that's still a second round pick, as we've talked about. 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.000 You know, you're right, would Ballard be okay picking up 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.640 a middle of the board guy because middle board pick 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:45.800 Indianapolis would then have pick nineteen twenty two and multiple 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.680 Day two picks. And I think Indie's a team. They're 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:52.360 talent poor. We saw them. They need more. Yeah, exactly 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.160 so in this type of draft where it's not necessarily 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.680 top heavy. Now it might be for a team like 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:02.040 the Cowboys who need a specific linebacker, need to specific safety, 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.800 right whoever they need or whoever they're going up for. 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.080 But for a team like the Colts, who are just 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.280 looking for talented players, they have no problem. I don't 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.440 or I don't think they'll have a problem trading back, 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:14.920 getting more picks in the middle of the first round, 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.200 middle late first round, and then into Day two where 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:22.200 there's a little more depth. I'm kind of getting your 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.640 head spending a little bit. No, I want he has 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.640 made a great explanation why it's gonna be tough. I think, 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.320 you know, but I mean, I like what he's saying 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.600 about Bauer. I think he's the one guy that will 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:38.040 collect picks. And you talk about trading back, you don't 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.200 think back. You don't think the Giants fit that description. 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.400 I think the Giants would too. I think the Giants too, 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.840 but I think the price would be too much. I 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:49.080 was gonna say, I don't. Also, division trades get a 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.959 little dicey sometimes, I'm and we don't have a lot 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.439 of experience to go on with this. But the I 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.920 mean the Cowboys, the DeMarcus Lawrence trade was with Washington, right, yeah, 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.000 so I mean crazy your things have happened. I don't 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.640 I'm not saying it's not or wouldn't happen, but just 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.360 teams might be they might ask for a little bit 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.880 more than they would from an AFC South team. M 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:15.240 but you know this is a team that, uh you know, 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.040 we know that they're gonna have their eye on a 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.320 few plays. Look, they haven't done anything free agency yet, 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:24.559 right Wait, what they haven't I know, uh spoiler, but 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.480 it's something's gonna happen here in the next week. You know, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.559 we don't know what yet. It might be as something 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.120 as simple as adding offensive line depth. It might be 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.800 a bigger move, uh, like adding a safety or a 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.800 wide receiver. We don't know linebackers. I think I would 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.760 go right exactly. So something's gonna happen here in free 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.280 agency the next week. Maybe by the time we reconvene 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.400 on Monday for the draft show. That could change your 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.920 thinking a little bit. So I hope not by Monday. 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.920 I'm trying to enjoy my weekend. Personally. We're still in 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:55.640 a wait and see mode with free agency. I don't 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:57.800 think they're not a big shock that the Cowboys haven't 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.439 done anything. They haven't made a splash yet. You know, 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.760 the first wave is kind of passed. Now it's that second, 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:06.360 you know, third tier of the free agent market. We'll 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.680 have to see what they do. I expected to do 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.040 something I don't. Don't doesn't mean it needs to be 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.360 something big, but I think something will happen. I'll put 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.160 you on the I'll put you on the spot here, 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.480 Dave Hellman. You never do that, and you know I 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:19.880 don't have to hold you to it, but I mean, 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:24.840 just just don't go go Do they do they stay 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:30.120 or go up? In this draft? Uh? Well, I'm glad 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.960 you said that because the conversation we just had. I think, 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:35.640 you know, we've been talking about going up a lot, 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.880 and it's still something that intrigues me. But the circumstances 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.480 surrounding the teams in front of them don't look all 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.960 that favorable, right, right, But I wonder if so instead 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.240 of hoping to trade up, maybe you hope a situation 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.400 arises where you can get that trade down. I mean, 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.200 you know, for instance, like I said, Buffalo wouldn't have 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:56.840 done what they did if they were content to let 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.640 a quarterback fall to them, right, But it is more 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:03.000 realistic to think, you know, maybe Lamar Jackson falls to 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.760 where you're at, maybe a New Orleans Saints or a 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.280 you know, whoever's back there that's got a later pick 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.040 might be interested in doing something like that. Maybe it's 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:12.840 more realistic to hope you can trade out of the 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.920 pick than trade up from the pick. Stay or go? 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:20.320 Do they stay? It's which, to answer your question more directly, like, 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.440 if the opportunity presents itself to go, I'm still willing 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.760 to do that. I just don't know how realistic you think. 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:27.440 Do you think we're likely it is a stay or 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.080 go back? Yeah? I think that's kind of where I 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.960 have trend right now. Yeah, I think odds are they're 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.440 going to stay. Okay, I think that's I think. And 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:38.400 the more I think about this, the way you laid 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.680 things out, you need Chris Baller to want to be 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.960 you want. You need Chris ball to be Chris Baller 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.040 to be in a trading mode. I think you do. Yeah, 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.520 I think you need somebody. I do think you need 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.400 to zero in on one team. No, but I think somebody. 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.600 But you need somebody willing and somebody that wants to 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.880 collect picks. That's what you need to do. And I 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:58.600 think this draft they'll have a There'll be a few. 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.920 Is it clear? One guy over here? Is it realistic 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:03.640 to think the Browns might want to do that with 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.560 their fourth pick? Yeah, and that's there will be a 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.600 lot of Browns fans because the Browns I'll trade it 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.000 back in the first round like a million. Then then 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.480 they'll go, oh, here we go and to do it again. 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.160 And but okay, they're gonna get the quarterback on one. 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.200 I think it'll be Darnold. I don't it'll be a 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:21.520 quarterback though. At four, it'll be interesting to see who's there. 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.880 If Barkley is there, and they pass there, you know, 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:28.040 they'll light the city on fire. I think Bradley Chubb 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.680 is gonna be awfully appealing. But if Buffalo, if they're 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.640 if they can't get up, say the Jets give India 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.480 a better deal, chap up to three. Buffalo tries to 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.760 chap to four and they offer, you know, two first 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.280 round picks. Yeah. So and if you're Cleveland, and yes, 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.080 it would. I don't know, I'd be tough to trade 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.320 out of the top four. But you're picking up two 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.480 first rounders in the process. Yeah. If let's say they 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.760 did that deal with Buffalo, what would they does Buffalo 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:56.720 still have both of those picks? Are just one? They's 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.840 got one. They gave it twenty one, twenty one, said Cincinnati, right, 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.200 twelve and twenty two. Yeah, they have twelve and twenty two. 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.960 So you get your quarterback and then you can add 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:08.360 twelve and twenty two. Yeah, and so you still get 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.000 you still get a blue Ship guy at twelve. And 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:13.480 we need to remember too, this is a team that's 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.160 now looking for a left tackle. Yeah. Yeah, Joe Thomas 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.160 if he'll be in the Hall of Fame and five's 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.240 that guy on my board. Get him at twenty two. 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.480 That's what I say. You're not drafting a tackle at four. Yeah, okay, 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.640 And I'm getting a lot of questions about Quittin Nelson 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.320 about you're not drafting Quittin Nelson at four and putting 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.240 him at left tackle. It's just not what you're gonna do. 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.160 So yeah, if you're gonna the Browns might be in 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:36.960 a position where instead of having to trade up from 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.800 thirty three into the twenties to get your tackle, maybe 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.360 you do trade back so you can target your tackle 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.920 either if they might have to reach a little bit 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.840 at twelve, or maybe you wait till twenty two. If 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.520 you're okay with a few different names, that's something that 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:53.560 I think they'll be open to. I mean, John Dorsey 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.120 is a guy that is not afraid to move around 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:58.200 in the draft, and as he gets his quarterback, I 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:00.760 don't I don't know if Bradley up or say Quon 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.280 Barkley will knock his socks off enough. The best thing 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.200 that can happen for John Dorsey might be for say 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.879 Quan to go two to the Giants. That way, it 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.639 takes that out of his hand life easier exactly. It 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.480 doesn't have to worry about the pr of passing on 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.399 on Barkeley. He could fake throw his pen like I would. Yeah, 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:18.800 that kind of thing. I act like you're mad, and 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:22.600 you're really not mad, right exactly. So I just I'm 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.960 just kind of wondering. I'm I want to go aggressive 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.159 and try. I just don't know, the price of poker 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.960 now might be too aggress too much for me to 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.359 have to think about getting up in the top twelve 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.240 unless I have somebody that's just will into bow. Here 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.840 you go, Okay, it's got a text from John Dorsey. Yeah, 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:42.840 they just drafted Braley Chub at four. Yeah, okay, they 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:49.320 are offering you Ogba mhm and pick thirty three to 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:55.800 move up to nineteen. What do you do? Yep, yep, 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.320 you in on that. Yeah, let's do it. So you're 0:17:58.359 --> 0:17:59.760 not picking in the first round this year, but you 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:01.920 take up Emmanuel Aden, you pick up the first week 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:03.920 you tried to draft. You tried to draft a few 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.119 years ago. So you didn't you like him? Yeah, it 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.680 was your guy, and you don't. I mean, we've talked 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.400 to nauseum about how we we're not necessarily in love 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.840 with most of our options at nineteen anyway, But we're 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:18.720 trade away maybe potentially from Dane's receiver. We're getting, we're trading, 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.760 we're trading away. We're trading away from your receiver, and 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.040 we're trading away from his receiver. Bokay, that's what I mean, hey, 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.440 cost of doing business. You get a starter caliber player 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.399 in the trade, and then at thirty three you can 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:35.000 absolutely pick a starter, whether that's a guard or a linebacker. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.639 Or I feel a lot better drafting Laton vander Esh 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.800 at thirty three than nineteen. Tell you that, or Rashaan 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.600 Evans for that matter, Yeah, or who else? Who else 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.080 we got? I mean, maybe Will Hernandez, Maybe DJ Moore 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.160 could be there at thirty three. You can't rule that out. 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:52.960 I mean, I don't think. I think there's some people 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.480 on their boards that have DJ Moore above Ridley. I 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:58.320 know there are, but I'm sure. I mean, I mean, 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:00.600 I'm just saying. I'm just saying he's not He's not 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:02.800 in that. We'll see who really likes DJ Moore in 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.280 this first round. Yeah, that'll be the team. You're into 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:09.879 that with that trade offer, Brian, I'm trying to think 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:11.920 about this team and defensive end, he's going to play 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:14.920 right defensive end for me wherever you want them to play. 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.480 Think about the big picture there. Because I am DeMarcus 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:19.560 is on a one year deal, we'd have no idea 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:21.960 what's going to happen with a pure that's a big 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:25.360 picture play. Taco Charlton is hopefully going to develop. But 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.120 I mean, yeah, and this is a guy you wanted. 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:29.720 This is a guy you would have drafted if he 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:31.760 had not been taken what two picks before. But do 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.880 you feel like though that the receiver position is more 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:40.080 imperiled than the defensive line position. No, because you can 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.240 this goes I like. I like the scenario though, but 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.640 but my man is telling me here, we haven't done 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:49.320 anything in five years on my receiving corps. I like 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:53.760 my chances of finding a good receiver between later in 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.159 the top one hundred than I do a pass rusher 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.120 pass tell you what he's given up on the receivers 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.600