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Speaker 1: on in the middle of free agency going on right now,
Speaker 1: players being signed, released, big time players. How does that
Speaker 1: affect what we're about to see in this NFL drafting again?
Speaker 1: Forty two days, Yeah, forty two days. I'm really again
Speaker 1: happy to have my guys here to kind of talk
Speaker 1: about what direction I initially want to go with that.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that and also want to
Speaker 1: get into though, you know, we have this philosophy. I'm
Speaker 1: an old scout, you know, nineteen ninety two. Dane is
Speaker 1: a young scout, but an old scouted heart. With some
Speaker 1: of his thoughts and with some of these signings and stuff,
Speaker 1: I want to get into maybe talk about that a
Speaker 1: little bit later about does our ideas change about when
Speaker 1: guys need to be taken or not? And I know
Speaker 1: I always fight with you guys about drafting guards and
Speaker 1: stuff like that when you do that, but I want
Speaker 1: to ask some questions about if things change, you know,
Speaker 1: if your philosophy. Do we always seeing a shift in
Speaker 1: scouting philosophy when it pertains to some of these positions
Speaker 1: that we really didn't feel like was going to be.
Speaker 1: You know, like I remember, Chris Niolie, I told you
Speaker 1: this earlier. New Orleans Saints drafted a guard tenth overall,
Speaker 1: I want to say, and that that to me was shocking.
Speaker 1: You know, as far as that goes today, that doesn't
Speaker 1: bother me. I know it. I know it kind of
Speaker 1: it goes against the norm of drafting. But I want
Speaker 1: to get into that later. But as we look at
Speaker 1: the landscape of free agency in the way it's going
Speaker 1: right now, I'm looking at teams for the Cowboys perspective, Okay,
Speaker 1: you've got all those quarterbacks we're talking about, can you
Speaker 1: drive players down that board? That's gonna be the key.
Speaker 1: Is there somebody gonna be coming down that board that
Speaker 1: we didn't see? Quarterback teams that took ahead of you,
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, they signed Sam Bradford. That's a pick at
Speaker 1: you at fifteen. Sam Bradford help you? Or does that?
Speaker 1: Does the Arizona do they still need to draft a
Speaker 1: quarterback at fifteen? If one's there, I'm gonna go out
Speaker 1: on a limb and say, the only quarterback needy team
Speaker 1: in the league that now is not quarterback needy is Minnesota. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they gave they gave Kirk Cousins all the money in
Speaker 1: the world. I don't I can't imagine them spending a
Speaker 1: big time draft asset on a quarterback, but literally everyone
Speaker 1: else you're talking and stop gaps. I mean Case Keenum
Speaker 1: and Denver, Okay, but if I agree that's the only
Speaker 1: one where well, but I would even say, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you love a quarterback at five or you think
Speaker 1: you can get I mean Case Keenum isn't enough and
Speaker 1: I don't think they paid him enough where if they
Speaker 1: really feel like they can get a great quarterback, it
Speaker 1: would stop him. Same goes. I mean a J. M.
Speaker 1: McCarron is clearly a stop gap for the quarterback that
Speaker 1: Buffalo wants to draft. Um Sam Bradford is not stopping
Speaker 1: me from doing anything. Yeah, Sam Bradford's up, you know
Speaker 1: at with the New York Jets, McCown and Teddy. I
Speaker 1: think I'm very intrigued by the Bridgewater deal, and I
Speaker 1: hope it works out for him because I root for
Speaker 1: him as a person. But that wouldn't stop me from
Speaker 1: drafting a quarterback if I were the Jets either. No, No,
Speaker 1: you're astol. You're right, and so nothing has changed for
Speaker 1: you guys, nothing's changed the shot on that front, like
Speaker 1: it's still gonna be. It's still gonna still feel like
Speaker 1: they're potentially that all those quarterbacks can go early. Then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now, hey, here's that You've You've
Speaker 1: been on the train about the why receiver Ridley. You
Speaker 1: have been on that train since the combine. And I
Speaker 1: like what you're saying there. I like what you're saying there.
Speaker 1: So to me, if I'm interested in Ridley, which we
Speaker 1: all are, you know, let's see if they're interested in
Speaker 1: Ridley though all these quarterbacks, nothing's changed for us, right,
Speaker 1: No quarterback is going number one to the Browns. Lock
Speaker 1: it in, okay, and then you have I like what
Speaker 1: Dave was saying about case Kiman in Denver. I think
Speaker 1: what that does for them is they don't have to
Speaker 1: trade up. Now. Now if the right quarterback is there
Speaker 1: at five, yeah you don't, you take them, But they
Speaker 1: don't have to trade up. They're not pressure to do that.
Speaker 1: Buffalo they made that trade with Cordy Glenn. So now
Speaker 1: they're picking number twelve and twenty two puts them in
Speaker 1: striking distance. I mean, they're basically doing what Philly did
Speaker 1: two years ago with Carson Wentz. Now they're in striking
Speaker 1: distance to go up into the top five or six picks,
Speaker 1: to go up there get their quarterback. Nothing has changed
Speaker 1: in terms of the we're going to see four, maybe five,
Speaker 1: probably five quarterbacks go somewhere in the top fifteen picks,
Speaker 1: which and I mean, yeah, so you're still talking probably
Speaker 1: a solid third of the picks that go before the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at nineteen. That helped them, I think, yeah, so,
Speaker 1: but in terms of like the landscape, that's you know,
Speaker 1: when Buffalo made that trade, everybody was like, well, this
Speaker 1: is this is great. It's gonna push somebody down the
Speaker 1: board to the Cowboys. And I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: it's not any different because yeah, we knew that quarterback
Speaker 1: was always going. We just didn't know where. We didn't
Speaker 1: know it was twelve to the Bills, but we knew somehow,
Speaker 1: some way, one of those guys would probably go in
Speaker 1: that range. Could Buffalo sit there at their spot and
Speaker 1: pick a quarterback, You think they could, But I don't
Speaker 1: think you're going to. If you look at the history
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks that have gone in the first round, if
Speaker 1: you didn't have that number one pick, right, chances are
Speaker 1: you traded up for your quarterback. Sure. And this is
Speaker 1: why I don't understand people saying, oh, Cleveland could just
Speaker 1: take Barkley at one and get their quarterback at four.
Speaker 1: That's that's a dangerous play. Well, no, you don't get
Speaker 1: cute when it comes back exactly and get your guy.
Speaker 1: And it's not position where oh we didn't get our
Speaker 1: top guy, we'll just get our second guy. No, you
Speaker 1: don't settle for a quarterback. You go and get your guy.
Speaker 1: And if it cost you an extra second round pick, okay,
Speaker 1: you know you do that for a guy that you
Speaker 1: think could be the leader of your franchise for the
Speaker 1: long term. And so I think Buffalo high very high
Speaker 1: chance we see Buffalo trade into somewhere in the top
Speaker 1: five picks, whether that's it could be New York at two,
Speaker 1: could be Indie at three, It could be Cleveland at four.
Speaker 1: The Jets, they have so many quarterbacks on that roster,
Speaker 1: they still have Hackenburg. Are they just gonna cut him?
Speaker 1: Do they? Yeah? They I don't know what they're gonna
Speaker 1: do with all those quarterbacks, but I think the answer
Speaker 1: about the long term there isn't one. And so what
Speaker 1: are they gonna do? Are they trade up to the
Speaker 1: top five, cut Petty and Hackenburg? Draft a guy? And
Speaker 1: have you know Teddy be your your week? Word is
Speaker 1: option with him behind him? Word is that Woody Johnson,
Speaker 1: the owner, and Mike mcagnan, they they they by directive,
Speaker 1: were having that their scouting department go to every one
Speaker 1: of those games at usc UCLA, Oklahoma. They should about
Speaker 1: they were, they were scouting every one of those games.
Speaker 1: Which and to that point about the Bills, you don't
Speaker 1: trade up to twelve this far before the draft just
Speaker 1: to hang out there, you know, like if they were
Speaker 1: content to see, if they were content to wait for
Speaker 1: like Baker Mayfield or Lamar Jackson to fall down the
Speaker 1: board before they trade it, they would have just stayed
Speaker 1: at twenty one, like the fact that they're positioning themselves
Speaker 1: here tells me they're going they're going to let me
Speaker 1: ask you this though, Okay and okay, now we're talking
Speaker 1: about what some chaos that could happen at the top
Speaker 1: of that board. Does that make things expensive for the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: Now if they want to get up, say we've we've
Speaker 1: talked about Miami as a potential landing spot at eleven,
Speaker 1: does that make Does that affect them in any way
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, you know there, are they going to
Speaker 1: have to maybe overpay we We kind of feel like
Speaker 1: though that that could be that had for the fifth
Speaker 1: overall pick. So they're gonna be competing with another Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Are they as looking for a quarterback? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Is that going to affect the
Speaker 1: way that the Cowboys are they gonna Is it gonna
Speaker 1: be Is it gonna make it too pricey for them
Speaker 1: to go up and have to get a guy? I
Speaker 1: don't think so. Um, because I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think this trade this team is going to trade under
Speaker 1: the top ten. If they do trade up, well, I
Speaker 1: know I was kind of hanging in eleven I was trying.
Speaker 1: I was trying to hang at that Miami position where
Speaker 1: you know that is, And I mean we've been we've
Speaker 1: been pinpointing twelve for weeks, right, and now that seems
Speaker 1: unlikely because it's either the Bills who are looking for
Speaker 1: a quarterback or the team they trade with who has
Speaker 1: already traded down one. See. What I'm saying is is
Speaker 1: somebody is if if Buffalo doesn't move at twelve, if
Speaker 1: they sit at twelve, and that's as far as they
Speaker 1: can get, is Miami's pick gonna be too expensive for
Speaker 1: somebody to try and get ahead of Buffalo. Probably That's
Speaker 1: where That's what I'm trying to say, right, there's no
Speaker 1: Miami might be one of the teams it's not going
Speaker 1: to trade up for a quarterback. We don't know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Bryan Tannehill can't stay healthy and you know the See,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find spots for the Cowboys to get
Speaker 1: to and I'm and I'm now I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have some trouble here. Who's who's it? Thirteen thirteen Washington?
Speaker 1: It really depends on how the first on a top
Speaker 1: ten plays out. And fourteen's Green Bay fourteen's Green Bay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a three to four. That's it's a three to four.
Speaker 1: I don't love this. See that's what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: was I'm glad you got to explain the quarterback thing
Speaker 1: of maybe driving a guy. That was my first point.
Speaker 1: Second point is though, what if I want to go
Speaker 1: get a guy, Is it gonna be too expensive or
Speaker 1: is Miami? Is somebody gonna hold you up thinking that
Speaker 1: they've got value as long as those quarterbacks are still
Speaker 1: on the board. I think this is a draft where
Speaker 1: there will be teams that are will be perfectly okay
Speaker 1: with trading back twice. So let's just say that would
Speaker 1: be nice. Let's say it's Indie. Say Buffalo goes up
Speaker 1: to number three, they go, they call Chris Ballard, they
Speaker 1: get the third pick for what twelve, twenty two, and like,
Speaker 1: what next year's three if that could have done? And
Speaker 1: so Indie's picking at twelve, Dallas wants to get up
Speaker 1: to twelve. I don't think Chris Ballard would wouldn't mind
Speaker 1: at all picking up another Day two pick to go
Speaker 1: back a few spots and still feel good about the
Speaker 1: player he's getting at nineteen. If Ballard were to go
Speaker 1: to Buffalo at twelve. Then for Dallas, that's that's again
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before. Dallas would have to be
Speaker 1: that's still a second round pick, as we've talked about.
Speaker 1: You know, you're right, would Ballard be okay picking up
Speaker 1: a middle of the board guy because middle board pick
Speaker 1: Indianapolis would then have pick nineteen twenty two and multiple
Speaker 1: Day two picks. And I think Indie's a team. They're
Speaker 1: talent poor. We saw them. They need more. Yeah, exactly
Speaker 1: so in this type of draft where it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: top heavy. Now it might be for a team like
Speaker 1: the Cowboys who need a specific linebacker, need to specific safety,
Speaker 1: right whoever they need or whoever they're going up for.
Speaker 1: But for a team like the Colts, who are just
Speaker 1: looking for talented players, they have no problem. I don't
Speaker 1: or I don't think they'll have a problem trading back,
Speaker 1: getting more picks in the middle of the first round,
Speaker 1: middle late first round, and then into Day two where
Speaker 1: there's a little more depth. I'm kind of getting your
Speaker 1: head spending a little bit. No, I want he has
Speaker 1: made a great explanation why it's gonna be tough. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, but I mean, I like what he's saying
Speaker 1: about Bauer. I think he's the one guy that will
Speaker 1: collect picks. And you talk about trading back, you don't
Speaker 1: think back. You don't think the Giants fit that description.
Speaker 1: I think the Giants would too. I think the Giants too,
Speaker 1: but I think the price would be too much. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I don't. Also, division trades get a
Speaker 1: little dicey sometimes, I'm and we don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of experience to go on with this. But the I
Speaker 1: mean the Cowboys, the DeMarcus Lawrence trade was with Washington, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I mean crazy your things have happened. I don't
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not or wouldn't happen, but just
Speaker 1: teams might be they might ask for a little bit
Speaker 1: more than they would from an AFC South team. M
Speaker 1: but you know this is a team that, uh you know,
Speaker 1: we know that they're gonna have their eye on a
Speaker 1: few plays. Look, they haven't done anything free agency yet,
Speaker 1: right Wait, what they haven't I know, uh spoiler, but
Speaker 1: it's something's gonna happen here in the next week. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't know what yet. It might be as something
Speaker 1: as simple as adding offensive line depth. It might be
Speaker 1: a bigger move, uh, like adding a safety or a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. We don't know linebackers. I think I would
Speaker 1: go right exactly. So something's gonna happen here in free
Speaker 1: agency the next week. Maybe by the time we reconvene
Speaker 1: on Monday for the draft show. That could change your
Speaker 1: thinking a little bit. So I hope not by Monday.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to enjoy my weekend. Personally. We're still in
Speaker 1: a wait and see mode with free agency. I don't
Speaker 1: think they're not a big shock that the Cowboys haven't
Speaker 1: done anything. They haven't made a splash yet. You know,
Speaker 1: the first wave is kind of passed. Now it's that second,
Speaker 1: you know, third tier of the free agent market. We'll
Speaker 1: have to see what they do. I expected to do
Speaker 1: something I don't. Don't doesn't mean it needs to be
Speaker 1: something big, but I think something will happen. I'll put
Speaker 1: you on the I'll put you on the spot here,
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman. You never do that, and you know I
Speaker 1: don't have to hold you to it, but I mean,
Speaker 1: just just don't go go Do they do they stay
Speaker 1: or go up? In this draft? Uh? Well, I'm glad
Speaker 1: you said that because the conversation we just had. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, we've been talking about going up a lot,
Speaker 1: and it's still something that intrigues me. But the circumstances
Speaker 1: surrounding the teams in front of them don't look all
Speaker 1: that favorable, right, right, But I wonder if so instead
Speaker 1: of hoping to trade up, maybe you hope a situation
Speaker 1: arises where you can get that trade down. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, for instance, like I said, Buffalo wouldn't have
Speaker 1: done what they did if they were content to let
Speaker 1: a quarterback fall to them, right, But it is more
Speaker 1: realistic to think, you know, maybe Lamar Jackson falls to
Speaker 1: where you're at, maybe a New Orleans Saints or a
Speaker 1: you know, whoever's back there that's got a later pick
Speaker 1: might be interested in doing something like that. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: more realistic to hope you can trade out of the
Speaker 1: pick than trade up from the pick. Stay or go?
Speaker 1: Do they stay? It's which, to answer your question more directly, like,
Speaker 1: if the opportunity presents itself to go, I'm still willing
Speaker 1: to do that. I just don't know how realistic you think.
Speaker 1: Do you think we're likely it is a stay or
Speaker 1: go back? Yeah? I think that's kind of where I
Speaker 1: have trend right now. Yeah, I think odds are they're
Speaker 1: going to stay. Okay, I think that's I think. And
Speaker 1: the more I think about this, the way you laid
Speaker 1: things out, you need Chris Baller to want to be
Speaker 1: you want. You need Chris ball to be Chris Baller
Speaker 1: to be in a trading mode. I think you do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you need somebody. I do think you need
Speaker 1: to zero in on one team. No, but I think somebody.
Speaker 1: But you need somebody willing and somebody that wants to
Speaker 1: collect picks. That's what you need to do. And I
Speaker 1: think this draft they'll have a There'll be a few.
Speaker 1: Is it clear? One guy over here? Is it realistic
Speaker 1: to think the Browns might want to do that with
Speaker 1: their fourth pick? Yeah, and that's there will be a
Speaker 1: lot of Browns fans because the Browns I'll trade it
Speaker 1: back in the first round like a million. Then then
Speaker 1: they'll go, oh, here we go and to do it again.
Speaker 1: And but okay, they're gonna get the quarterback on one.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be Darnold. I don't it'll be a
Speaker 1: quarterback though. At four, it'll be interesting to see who's there.
Speaker 1: If Barkley is there, and they pass there, you know,
Speaker 1: they'll light the city on fire. I think Bradley Chubb
Speaker 1: is gonna be awfully appealing. But if Buffalo, if they're
Speaker 1: if they can't get up, say the Jets give India
Speaker 1: a better deal, chap up to three. Buffalo tries to
Speaker 1: chap to four and they offer, you know, two first
Speaker 1: round picks. Yeah. So and if you're Cleveland, and yes,
Speaker 1: it would. I don't know, I'd be tough to trade
Speaker 1: out of the top four. But you're picking up two
Speaker 1: first rounders in the process. Yeah. If let's say they
Speaker 1: did that deal with Buffalo, what would they does Buffalo
Speaker 1: still have both of those picks? Are just one? They's
Speaker 1: got one. They gave it twenty one, twenty one, said Cincinnati, right,
Speaker 1: twelve and twenty two. Yeah, they have twelve and twenty two.
Speaker 1: So you get your quarterback and then you can add
Speaker 1: twelve and twenty two. Yeah, and so you still get
Speaker 1: you still get a blue Ship guy at twelve. And
Speaker 1: we need to remember too, this is a team that's
Speaker 1: now looking for a left tackle. Yeah. Yeah, Joe Thomas
Speaker 1: if he'll be in the Hall of Fame and five's
Speaker 1: that guy on my board. Get him at twenty two.
Speaker 1: That's what I say. You're not drafting a tackle at four. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: And I'm getting a lot of questions about Quittin Nelson
Speaker 1: about you're not drafting Quittin Nelson at four and putting
Speaker 1: him at left tackle. It's just not what you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you're gonna the Browns might be in
Speaker 1: a position where instead of having to trade up from
Speaker 1: thirty three into the twenties to get your tackle, maybe
Speaker 1: you do trade back so you can target your tackle
Speaker 1: either if they might have to reach a little bit
Speaker 1: at twelve, or maybe you wait till twenty two. If
Speaker 1: you're okay with a few different names, that's something that
Speaker 1: I think they'll be open to. I mean, John Dorsey
Speaker 1: is a guy that is not afraid to move around
Speaker 1: in the draft, and as he gets his quarterback, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know if Bradley up or say Quon
Speaker 1: Barkley will knock his socks off enough. The best thing
Speaker 1: that can happen for John Dorsey might be for say
Speaker 1: Quan to go two to the Giants. That way, it
Speaker 1: takes that out of his hand life easier exactly. It
Speaker 1: doesn't have to worry about the pr of passing on
Speaker 1: on Barkeley. He could fake throw his pen like I would. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I act like you're mad, and
Speaker 1: you're really not mad, right exactly. So I just I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of wondering. I'm I want to go aggressive
Speaker 1: and try. I just don't know, the price of poker
Speaker 1: now might be too aggress too much for me to
Speaker 1: have to think about getting up in the top twelve
Speaker 1: unless I have somebody that's just will into bow. Here
Speaker 1: you go, Okay, it's got a text from John Dorsey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they just drafted Braley Chub at four. Yeah, okay, they
Speaker 1: are offering you Ogba mhm and pick thirty three to
Speaker 1: move up to nineteen. What do you do? Yep, yep,
Speaker 1: you in on that. Yeah, let's do it. So you're
Speaker 1: not picking in the first round this year, but you
Speaker 1: take up Emmanuel Aden, you pick up the first week
Speaker 1: you tried to draft. You tried to draft a few
Speaker 1: years ago. So you didn't you like him? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was your guy, and you don't. I mean, we've talked
Speaker 1: to nauseum about how we we're not necessarily in love
Speaker 1: with most of our options at nineteen anyway, But we're
Speaker 1: trade away maybe potentially from Dane's receiver. We're getting, we're trading,
Speaker 1: we're trading away. We're trading away from your receiver, and
Speaker 1: we're trading away from his receiver. Bokay, that's what I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: cost of doing business. You get a starter caliber player
Speaker 1: in the trade, and then at thirty three you can
Speaker 1: absolutely pick a starter, whether that's a guard or a linebacker.
Speaker 1: Or I feel a lot better drafting Laton vander Esh
Speaker 1: at thirty three than nineteen. Tell you that, or Rashaan
Speaker 1: Evans for that matter, Yeah, or who else? Who else
Speaker 1: we got? I mean, maybe Will Hernandez, Maybe DJ Moore
Speaker 1: could be there at thirty three. You can't rule that out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think. I think there's some people
Speaker 1: on their boards that have DJ Moore above Ridley. I
Speaker 1: know there are, but I'm sure. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm just saying he's not He's not
Speaker 1: in that. We'll see who really likes DJ Moore in
Speaker 1: this first round. Yeah, that'll be the team. You're into
Speaker 1: that with that trade offer, Brian, I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: about this team and defensive end, he's going to play
Speaker 1: right defensive end for me wherever you want them to play.
Speaker 1: Think about the big picture there. Because I am DeMarcus
Speaker 1: is on a one year deal, we'd have no idea
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with a pure that's a big
Speaker 1: picture play. Taco Charlton is hopefully going to develop. But
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, and this is a guy you wanted.
Speaker 1: This is a guy you would have drafted if he
Speaker 1: had not been taken what two picks before. But do
Speaker 1: you feel like though that the receiver position is more
Speaker 1: imperiled than the defensive line position. No, because you can
Speaker 1: this goes I like. I like the scenario though, but
Speaker 1: but my man is telling me here, we haven't done
Speaker 1: anything in five years on my receiving corps. I like
Speaker 1: my chances of finding a good receiver between later in
Speaker 1: the top one hundred than I do a pass rusher
Speaker 1: pass tell you what he's given up on the receivers
Speaker 1: other than DJ. No, you always try to do that,
Speaker 1: like you always try to It's always black and white
Speaker 1: with you. That's not true. There's no audience that only
Speaker 1: one receiver will be off the board by thirty three.
Speaker 1: So I mean you still had your choice of plenty
Speaker 1: of talented receivers in this draft. It's not me giving
Speaker 1: up on a receiver. It's me saying there are receivers
Speaker 1: who can be drafted later, who can contribute at fifty
Speaker 1: or eighty one or one sixteen. How many great or
Speaker 1: even how many serviceable pass rushers get drafted outside of
Speaker 1: like the top sixty. I love Calvin Ridley, but if
Speaker 1: you're telling me I can have either Calvin Ridley or
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Ogba and you're going to numbers, aren't you, Anthony
Speaker 1: Miller or whoever your third receiver is, just say DJ
Speaker 1: Moore is not there. Yes, you know, I'm probably taking
Speaker 1: the ladder just because I'm getting a good pass rusher
Speaker 1: and a good receiver as opposed to, you know, an
Speaker 1: above average receiver. So and again, I love Calvin Ridley,
Speaker 1: but I'm probably taking option be there. And that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that we don't like Ridley and DJ Moore, it's
Speaker 1: just no. I'm just I'm curious though, because he made
Speaker 1: a very passionate plea the other day about why you
Speaker 1: would why in a mock draft, why you would take
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley. He made a very good he made a
Speaker 1: very good, very good speech about it. But I mean
Speaker 1: enough to make it true, enough to make me think, hey,
Speaker 1: at nineteen, if I got a fifty fifty chance a
Speaker 1: drafting the best receiver, who I feel like, I feel
Speaker 1: like he'd come in and helped his team. You know,
Speaker 1: isn't I feel like a first team for this year's
Speaker 1: show is like, there's not much in the way of
Speaker 1: pass rush help for this team. And the way this
Speaker 1: board stacks up, have we taking it thirty three? Courtland Sutton,
Speaker 1: Anthony Miller, Will Hernandez Isaiah Wynnum. Who am I forget
Speaker 1: a linebacker? Yeah, there's any number of guys. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean we've talked a million times about traffic trading down
Speaker 1: to like twenty six. I mean it's the same range. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're talking about the same specifically, maybe for a guard
Speaker 1: at that point in time, the Will her Nand is
Speaker 1: of the world. I bet you, I guarantee you there
Speaker 1: will be a guard, linebacker, or receiver that you feel
Speaker 1: good about there at thirty three. Let's also remember pick
Speaker 1: thirty three has a little extra value. It's that first
Speaker 1: pick in the second round where after everyone goes home
Speaker 1: Thursday and night, it starts the day everyone crade that
Speaker 1: thing back. Everyone resets their board and they look, oh wow,
Speaker 1: he's still there. Oh no, he's still there too. You
Speaker 1: might get pick up an extra third round or to
Speaker 1: move back five spots in the second round if we
Speaker 1: finished day if we finished Day one with the first
Speaker 1: pick on Friday, Brian wouldn't be able to sleep that night,
Speaker 1: like be so geeked. Yeah, I like it. I like
Speaker 1: it though, that's what you know what again, I just
Speaker 1: trying to I'm just trying to listen to what you
Speaker 1: think about Ridley. I'm trying to listen to what you
Speaker 1: think about DJ Moore, and I'm thinking, like you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna throw away both those I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: twenty Twitter. Yeah, well you guys know how I love
Speaker 1: segues so based in you know, considering what we just
Speaker 1: talked about, mister Vaya hosts, Yeah, it's a question about
Speaker 1: so let's let's just say they do trade up to
Speaker 1: ten or the tennis range. Yeah, like we were just
Speaker 1: talking about. We love to talk about Rokuan and Derwin,
Speaker 1: but is there a guy that they would do that
Speaker 1: for that we're not talking about. We kind of talked
Speaker 1: about this last week, but a name if you would fall,
Speaker 1: Minka Fitzpatrick. Yeah, that makes sense to me. Yeah, and say,
Speaker 1: you know, Cleveland, with all these quarterbacks going top five,
Speaker 1: Barkeley is going to go somewhere in the top ten
Speaker 1: or quarterbacks going top ten. Barkeley's going on top ten.
Speaker 1: Nelson probably goes top ten. Durwin, Uh, there's a chance
Speaker 1: that Minka could fall a little bit. He's a top
Speaker 1: five player in this draft in my opinion. He can
Speaker 1: play outside, corner, play free seat, you can play a nickel,
Speaker 1: play anywhere you want. If he were available, he is
Speaker 1: absolutely worth trading up for with what he can bring
Speaker 1: to this secondary. And some people might look at him
Speaker 1: and say, oh, well, you know, Byron Jones, he could
Speaker 1: play coronicles, safety wasn't great at either fits Minka's the
Speaker 1: the exception where yes he's versatile where he can play
Speaker 1: different spots, but he can also be above average close
Speaker 1: to elite in several different spots as well. So it's
Speaker 1: not a Byron Jones situation. You draft him at ten
Speaker 1: purely to play safety, like, forget the rest of that.
Speaker 1: Probably I have in my in my scouting, in my book,
Speaker 1: he'll be an outside corner just because I think that's
Speaker 1: the worst value is the best. But for this team,
Speaker 1: he'd be a free safety. Yeah, what's funny safety and
Speaker 1: play him an Outsideyeah, it's funny you say that because too,
Speaker 1: because you think about people are asking about Tyron Matthew,
Speaker 1: you know, and Tyron Matthew is very is very positioned
Speaker 1: specific scheme specific. Yeah, and you know you talk about
Speaker 1: a guy that has the flexibility to play outside, play slot,
Speaker 1: play deep. That's Mica Fitzpatrick, right, and and and be
Speaker 1: a good tackler. You know. The thing about the thing
Speaker 1: with Tyron Matthew now is Tyron Matthew has become a
Speaker 1: slot player blitzer, but he's lost that ability to tackle.
Speaker 1: He's not as good at as he once was. Again
Speaker 1: and so, but he has to be very specific where
Speaker 1: you play him. Ty He's tough because he's coming off
Speaker 1: the ACL two years ago and he was rusty last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I think he'll be better this year. Sure,
Speaker 1: but you're still committing a lot of money trying to
Speaker 1: bet on. I think he'll be better coverage, you know,
Speaker 1: And so that's just he's gonna get you. Watch year,
Speaker 1: watch him play coverage he could cover, you know, and
Speaker 1: he's but he will gamble too. I mean, he will
Speaker 1: give up some big plays, but that has been his career.
Speaker 1: He can make big plays and he could give up
Speaker 1: big plays. But I think he's he's specific for what
Speaker 1: a scheme. You have to have a plan for him.
Speaker 1: If this team is not going to be creative with
Speaker 1: how they call him down. No, I'll be fascinated to
Speaker 1: see his market though, because I mean, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think he can still command twelve thirteen dollars a year.
Speaker 1: But I've had conversations with football people who think that
Speaker 1: his history is enough to drop that price. Yeah. We well,
Speaker 1: we talk about undersized safeties and how a lot of
Speaker 1: teams that scares them away. That's Tyron, Matthew and that's
Speaker 1: why he's not that true safety, because he's really has
Speaker 1: the size of a corner. Yeah. I would do cartwheels
Speaker 1: if they were to acquire him, but I don't know
Speaker 1: how good of a fit he actually is for this team, right,
Speaker 1: if you got to use them the right way. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, this is a this is a question that
Speaker 1: I really like from from a listener of ours down
Speaker 1: in Argentina. Uh, we talk about how many picks they
Speaker 1: have and how they can use that to move around.
Speaker 1: They've got four comp picks ten total. We think we
Speaker 1: all agree they're not going to use them, all right,
Speaker 1: So what are those comp pics actually worth? So they
Speaker 1: which I just I think it's interesting. You can sit there,
Speaker 1: you know, you can sit there and say like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe they use a fourth and a fifth to get up,
Speaker 1: but like how far does a fourth and a fix
Speaker 1: fifth actually get you? I think there's a lot of misconceptions.
Speaker 1: You've got the numbers, yeah, I do, Okay. They have
Speaker 1: pick one thirty seven in the fourth round. One thirty
Speaker 1: seven is worth thirty eight points on their board. They
Speaker 1: have pick one seventy one in the fifth round that
Speaker 1: is worth twenty three on their board. They have pick
Speaker 1: one seventy three in the fifth round that is worth
Speaker 1: twenty two on their board. And they have picked two
Speaker 1: o eight in the sixth round that is worth eight
Speaker 1: on their board. All right, So how much is pick
Speaker 1: eighty one worth? Pick eighty one David Hellman is worth
Speaker 1: one eighty five one? All right? See, And that's that's
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about, right there is even just
Speaker 1: dropping all the way. I mean, so you're not even
Speaker 1: dropping halfway from you know, from pick one third from
Speaker 1: pick eighty one to one thirty seven. I mean it's
Speaker 1: a fraction, right, So even if you're packaging multiple of
Speaker 1: these picks, I mean, how far up? How how Let's
Speaker 1: all right, let's just say you throw one thirty seven
Speaker 1: with one eighty one, or excuse me with eighty one.
Speaker 1: Saw you throw eighty one one with one thirty seven,
Speaker 1: so you got eighty one? Help me with matths it's
Speaker 1: one eighty five and then one thirty seven. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: one eighty five is no, it's worth eighty one is
Speaker 1: worth one eighty five. And how much is one thirty
Speaker 1: seven worth? And one is worth that's worth thirty eight? Right,
Speaker 1: So that gives you what two hundred and fifteen total
Speaker 1: points or something like that. So how far up can
Speaker 1: that get you? Well, the probably if we did it
Speaker 1: on the chart, though, let's see say in the second
Speaker 1: round you're talking about going some fifty up or how
Speaker 1: far up could you go from fifty with that? Okay?
Speaker 1: From fifty or at four hundred? Okay, so say you
Speaker 1: want to go to You've got two hundred total points
Speaker 1: to move with. Yeah, you got two hundred tild You
Speaker 1: could go to the top of the round if you
Speaker 1: wanted to, I'll call that. So fifty plus eighty one
Speaker 1: plus that right, get you there? Right? Okay, you got
Speaker 1: the top because pick thirty three is worth five eighty.
Speaker 1: That's one hundred and eighty points right there. But these
Speaker 1: all right, but you could do it with You could
Speaker 1: do it with just the third round pick if you
Speaker 1: wanted to. Yeah, which I guess is my point, which
Speaker 1: I think they are going to use these picks to
Speaker 1: move around but too, but let's not kid ourselves and
Speaker 1: say that you can jump half around with pick one
Speaker 1: thirty seven and pick two away. That's not how it
Speaker 1: works right now, but you but you can maybe move
Speaker 1: up two spots with those picks. Well, yeah, what you
Speaker 1: could do is though you could find a way though people.
Speaker 1: People will sometimes sell short and they'll say, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: give me that pick and that pick. You know, it
Speaker 1: gives you at least it gives you flexibility. It will be,
Speaker 1: it will be. It gives you the ability to say, Okay, hey,
Speaker 1: we want your pick, but and we'll kick in that
Speaker 1: that fourth round pick, right, we'll kick in a fifth
Speaker 1: round pick. I guess, I guess that's the point I
Speaker 1: want to make, is that you need to do damage
Speaker 1: with the You need to do damage with eighty one,
Speaker 1: four and five. You do your you do your damage,
Speaker 1: and those are in the game. You've got that right there.
Speaker 1: You've got two fourth round picks, two fifth round picks,
Speaker 1: am I right? And yeah, three sixth round picks. Right,
Speaker 1: we only charted out the compic right. But yeah, but
Speaker 1: but but you know what I'm saying, You've got the
Speaker 1: you've got the picks to say, okay, package both your fours.
Speaker 1: You know how much is one sixteen worth? Real quick?
Speaker 1: One sixteen is worth? Make me look at these things today.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you doing this though it's worth sixty two?
Speaker 1: So what what's God? I'm so bad at math that's
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's where one hundred points right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like even see that, that's enough to get somebody to
Speaker 1: talk to you. Yeah, somebody will talk to you if
Speaker 1: you've got picks. It's see, hey, how about next years.
Speaker 1: We'll give you next year's three. We'll give you next
Speaker 1: year's four. Right, you're not picking now, you're kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that'll be nice to have next year. That's what i'd
Speaker 1: like to see them do. I'd like them to take
Speaker 1: one of this year's fours and get a three next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I would like to see it. Or even
Speaker 1: a trade of five for a four next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I would That's yeah, if you get to
Speaker 1: a certain point in time, you could do it with
Speaker 1: those sixes. Now you can do it. You can say, hey,
Speaker 1: we'll take next year five. And it's basically what the
Speaker 1: Zevier Wills. I'm gonna say that that for Xavier Wills, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly right. So yeah, it's it's it's a nice
Speaker 1: little arsenal that helps you get things done, but you
Speaker 1: can't get things done with just these Yeah, you've got it.
Speaker 1: You've got to be again, you've got to use your
Speaker 1: own picks plus two compensatories, like you know, give me
Speaker 1: two fours, give me two fives. Right, you know, that's
Speaker 1: how these things work. As long as we're talking about this,
Speaker 1: Dylan has a question. Cowboys put the tender on David
Speaker 1: Irving yesterday. Yeah, if somebody were to sign him away,
Speaker 1: they would get a second round pick for it, which, again,
Speaker 1: all right, let's just hypothetically say that that that happens.
Speaker 1: David Irving is a Miami Dolphin and you have a
Speaker 1: second round pick. Um again, so that gives you eleven
Speaker 1: picks and four big time picks. Yeah, that gives me
Speaker 1: two first, that gives me a one and two twos.
Speaker 1: You think that you think it's more likely they make
Speaker 1: all those picks? Or do you When you have something
Speaker 1: as valuable as two twos, do you use it to
Speaker 1: try to go somewhere? We want to keep picking in
Speaker 1: the top one hundred, don't we? You do? Plus, you
Speaker 1: have to factor in that you're losing a player and
Speaker 1: that creates another need, a big time player. Right, So
Speaker 1: you know, if you're looking on those defense, yeah he's
Speaker 1: a three, you're picking up a two, and that's great,
Speaker 1: but you're also creating another need. So yeah, maybe you
Speaker 1: could take both those twos and go up to get
Speaker 1: you know, if there's two Well, I'm just saying, if
Speaker 1: you wanted to go up into the second round, if
Speaker 1: you want to go up high in the second round,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to go to Cleveland spot that we
Speaker 1: were talking about, that Cleveland spot to get a Taven Bryan, Yeah,
Speaker 1: three technique or something like that. Yeah, right, you're losing,
Speaker 1: you're losing it. Yeah, just for exactly, That's exactly I
Speaker 1: pulled Miami out of nowhere. But I'm just okay, So
Speaker 1: if you did that, you would have pick forty two.
Speaker 1: So does it make more sense to do that and
Speaker 1: try to go up and get a better player or
Speaker 1: just pick at forty two and fifty and assuming you
Speaker 1: make good picks, I mean, that's two guys who should
Speaker 1: start for you, I would hope. So we get three
Speaker 1: picks inside the top fifty, right, And it depends what
Speaker 1: you want, you know, like, okay, if if you need
Speaker 1: a three technique, if you want a draft a three technique,
Speaker 1: who you're taken, let's just I mean, let's just yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm with y'all. Let's stay cursed off the
Speaker 1: board for the sake of the conversation. And you know,
Speaker 1: I mean Taven, Bryan's probably your best bet. After Taven
Speaker 1: and Brian, who's the next best three technique? This draft
Speaker 1: is void of under tackles. Yeah, it no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of options. And so Shepherd, I
Speaker 1: love Shepherd. You're fort Wayne Guy or Hayes excuse me,
Speaker 1: I mean the guys I would me targeting personally. Shepherd
Speaker 1: and Brian would be the two guys I would look at,
Speaker 1: and both are gonna go somewhere in the second round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably before you pick. Yeah, Brian might go in the
Speaker 1: first round. Yeah. So again because just like the offensive tackles,
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna go early because of the lack
Speaker 1: of depth in this class. I mean it's maybe maybe
Speaker 1: it's a situation where you sit there and you move,
Speaker 1: you do move, You move our guy back to from
Speaker 1: one to three, you know, Malik, Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think they should right. That's just because again this is
Speaker 1: we've talked about it at length. The amount of one
Speaker 1: technique or nose tackles in this class. It's I mean,
Speaker 1: for you, I don't want to I don't want to
Speaker 1: win these guys. In the first round he can, I'll
Speaker 1: pass on Veya and those guys. But in the second round,
Speaker 1: you're telling me I can get a Harrison Phillips. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you about it. I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask you about Phillips. Could Phillips play three? I don't
Speaker 1: think it's his strength? No, no, he could. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a strength though. But I mean give me,
Speaker 1: give me b J. Hill in the third round. Give
Speaker 1: me uh you know the Yukon kid. You can find
Speaker 1: about the brown kid from North Carolina, from Virginia, Andrew Brown,
Speaker 1: Andrew Brown. I don't want him, but that's just man,
Speaker 1: that's but I no, no, yeah, no, no, no, I
Speaker 1: was just throwing a name. I was just throwing a
Speaker 1: name down the line. Yeah. I mean played better than
Speaker 1: the senior ball than he did on Virginia tape. There's
Speaker 1: no question. I got a four or five on him,
Speaker 1: and I think he'll go a lot higher than that.
Speaker 1: That's I'm saying he's got He's got like two three
Speaker 1: talent though, doesn't he that's probably yeah, based on just ability.
Speaker 1: I mean, a former five star guy who there's a
Speaker 1: lot of unrealized potential there sounds like the way they
Speaker 1: draft off in defensive linement round. Oh, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I kind of I tuned with
Speaker 1: part of that conversation out because I'm just like, they're
Speaker 1: not going to draft a defensive tackle that high and
Speaker 1: they're just not going to. They did it with Malik
Speaker 1: they did so third round. Gotta give him credit for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I just I don't believe it when I see it.
Speaker 1: It's just crazy, though. I mean, he's right though. If
Speaker 1: there's a position that doesn't have a lot of depth
Speaker 1: in it, it set under tackle spot technique, a three technique.
Speaker 1: Now you want a one go all day, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: could go all day with those cats. I think they
Speaker 1: got some three technique traits the kid at South Florida. Yeah,
Speaker 1: short but one gap player. Yeah, I don't He's not
Speaker 1: gonna be a penetrator in the NFL though. I don't
Speaker 1: think he can get up field because he's he's a
Speaker 1: good athlete and he plays with the energy that you want.
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's gonna be a consistent upfield player.
Speaker 1: Disagree with you on that because he's more of a
Speaker 1: he's more of a one for me. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I watched him. He's like a disruptive guy. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: but I think there's a different I mean to get
Speaker 1: some good I mean I'm watching to play good teams.
Speaker 1: I mean they're not. Yeah, I just think there's a
Speaker 1: difference between being an interior pass rusher and being able
Speaker 1: to know. So the way you would have this if
Speaker 1: I'm correct, of those ones that are left, would it
Speaker 1: be Phillips pain in him? Would that? How would be
Speaker 1: for you? My top one technique's Veya payin Phillips sonat
Speaker 1: Yeah Hill, naughty Fatakasi. Yeah, so that those guys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. One guy, I don't We haven't talked
Speaker 1: about much as a three technique. That could be a
Speaker 1: possibility to Shawn Hand from Alabama. Yeah, he's a good player.
Speaker 1: He had a good week of the Senior Bowl, waited
Speaker 1: his turn at Alabama. Um, he might not be a
Speaker 1: bad day two option. Yeah, people on people on the
Speaker 1: people on periscope saying come on ya could play the three?
Speaker 1: People love Veya like. I think if you pulled the
Speaker 1: fan base, I think he would be one of the
Speaker 1: absolute top vote getters. Who would you I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: you on the spot on this and this is we
Speaker 1: gotta go after this one. You know, you know, me
Speaker 1: and my taco kind of you know that kind of
Speaker 1: that kind of went ah saw, you know when ya
Speaker 1: thank you Taco. But he's I will make me look
Speaker 1: really bad. But who who does that? Out of Veya?
Speaker 1: That who who added that group? Kind of if they
Speaker 1: took him at at nineteen, you would kind of go
Speaker 1: ah um, I mean, we know how I feel with
Speaker 1: the guards. Yeah, I know that. Yeah, I mean, Veya
Speaker 1: so talented. But if I'm talking about the just about
Speaker 1: the player, I'm talking about the position. What player would
Speaker 1: make you go you know, probably uh probably probably one
Speaker 1: of the guards, whether it's Win or I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think there is a what if they
Speaker 1: took more? Fine, Okay, you're okay with the receiver. You
Speaker 1: have no problem with the receiver. The president of the
Speaker 1: fan club, I okay, I'm with you there, Okay, go ahead,
Speaker 1: But again, I think I don't think there's a player
Speaker 1: that they would take at nineteen that would How about
Speaker 1: the linebacker from Alabama? I like Evans, He's a good plauser.
Speaker 1: If those are my two the Evans and vander Esch.
Speaker 1: They if they were the pick at nineteen, I would go, Okay.
Speaker 1: See the problem with Taco last year was passing on
Speaker 1: oh No, and so I'm so I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: this at the corner, I think he's going to be
Speaker 1: a good Well, I'm trying to think of a player
Speaker 1: where they I could see them passing on a better
Speaker 1: player at that position. And I don't know if you know,
Speaker 1: because it's like if they took Tremi and Edmunds over
Speaker 1: Roal quant Smith, No, they're not going to be there.
Speaker 1: But if they did take Que, or they did take
Speaker 1: Tremaine over Roque one, that would make me go, you know,
Speaker 1: like yeah, I feel like they passed on the better
Speaker 1: player at the position like they did last year with
Speaker 1: Watton Taco. This year, I don't know if I necessarily
Speaker 1: see that with this group where there's an obvious better player,
Speaker 1: but they might prefer someone else. Because even if they
Speaker 1: took more O a Ridley, I wouldn't be that upset
Speaker 1: because as much as I like Ridley, I love more too.
Speaker 1: What if they if they what if they took what
Speaker 1: if they took one of those tight ends at nineteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would that would upset me too. Yeah, that wouldn't
Speaker 1: make much sense. Okay, I think it may. In a way,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit easier this year because at nineteen
Speaker 1: you're talking about the back end of the first round talent,
Speaker 1: whereas at twenty eight you're trying to make sense of
Speaker 1: the start of the round two talent. You know, it's
Speaker 1: there's a much more diverse cast of characters, Whereas I
Speaker 1: really feel like by the time you get to nineteen,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a pretty clear cut There's gonna be
Speaker 1: a pretty clear cut two or three name bunch that's
Speaker 1: gonna make a lot more sense than the rest of
Speaker 1: the options. Right right, good answer. A pair of skipt
Speaker 1: calling me a hater. You are a hater, Josh sitting
Speaker 1: just sound with the Dolphins. Hey, other guard off the board? Yeah,
Speaker 1: my guy, My guys signed with you. Saw my guy yesterday?
Speaker 1: Dane the guard? That the guard. They are going to
Speaker 1: sign a guard. I'll stake my I don't have much revisitation. Well,
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Speaker 1: to you for some tell me more please. I decided
Speaker 1: to switch it up today because we do two shows
Speaker 1: a week now and there's still six weeks to the draft,
Speaker 1: so I don't think with forty days left, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure we need to be digging through seventh round picks
Speaker 1: and undrafted free I think people enjoy the fact that
Speaker 1: going and looking at guys. No, they do, they do,
Speaker 1: But I just I there's basically and you guys watched
Speaker 1: way more tape than me. But I feel like there's
Speaker 1: bigger names that kind of fell through the cracks. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to pick out a couple of those, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe first, second, third round considerations that I
Speaker 1: feel like we haven't talked about on this show, and
Speaker 1: Dan actually alluded to one of them. I know we've
Speaker 1: said his name, but I feel like, he's not a
Speaker 1: guy we talk a lot about. So tell me more
Speaker 1: about Florida defensive tackle Taven Bryan. I compared him to
Speaker 1: Robert Candici. Just he's a really good athlete who can
Speaker 1: get up the field. He just scared everybody in well
Speaker 1: not often feel just just on the field. But there
Speaker 1: are some discipline issues, technique issues. It's great you have
Speaker 1: the athleticism, but it doesn't mean much if it doesn't
Speaker 1: translate the football production. Right there's a guy who had
Speaker 1: ten and a half tackles for loss in his career
Speaker 1: at Florida, and trust a tape, not the stat sheet,
Speaker 1: but I think it translates where what you see on tape,
Speaker 1: you don't see a guy that's making consistent plays in
Speaker 1: the backfield. Now, you watch his highlights and always signed
Speaker 1: me up first round, right, But when you watch the tape,
Speaker 1: the full body of work, that's where you realize he's
Speaker 1: a very inconsistent player right now. But you project him
Speaker 1: forward and I think you do see the ability to
Speaker 1: be a much better player than he is right now.
Speaker 1: Where does that put his value in the draft. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: be shocked at all if he goes top twenty in
Speaker 1: a top thirty somewhere somewhere in the twenties, right, But
Speaker 1: I put a second round great on him. I think
Speaker 1: on my top fifty board he was somewhere like thirty
Speaker 1: three thirty four. Is im so a good player? He
Speaker 1: definitely earned his Wyoming wild Man label label. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: he's he's like the first Wyoming player to ever good Florida.
Speaker 1: But there are some questions there not a slam dunk player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I think. Dane got him exactly right.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a relentless guy. When you watch
Speaker 1: him on tape, he does not stop. I mean he
Speaker 1: just keeps coming at you, coming at you. Sometimes he
Speaker 1: gets knocked off balance. He's always trying to make plays.
Speaker 1: I then d comparisons. I could see that because how
Speaker 1: disruptive those guys were. So. Yeah, but he's a better
Speaker 1: person off the field. Yeah, you don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about directly on the field. Yeah, this guy right here
Speaker 1: is as tough as they come. His dad is a
Speaker 1: Navy seal. Yeah, and relentless. He raised him just you
Speaker 1: would not he would not be Again, there's there's sometimes
Speaker 1: where he's good for two, three, four plays, and then
Speaker 1: there's other times you kind of seem disappeared a little bit.
Speaker 1: But again, the effort, intensity and all that is okay,
Speaker 1: But he just can't hurt you in the run game,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, that's where the discipline us come up,
Speaker 1: exactly if he doesn't need to be in the backfield
Speaker 1: every play, but if he's hurting you in the run
Speaker 1: game and he's taking himself out of plays, that's where
Speaker 1: he's hurting you. And that's what you worry about with him.
Speaker 1: This guy is universally I've seen him as a top
Speaker 1: forty prospect on every list I've ever looked at. And
Speaker 1: obviously Cowboys aren't super corner needy. But I really feel
Speaker 1: like we've never talked about Colorado corner Isaiah Oliver, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know that his name has ever come up
Speaker 1: on this show. If he has, I don't remember it. Well.
Speaker 1: It's funny because when you you watch last year watching Cheeto,
Speaker 1: you're watching what Tedric Thompson was a safe je Witherspoon
Speaker 1: the other corner, and yet it was Oliver number twenty six.
Speaker 1: He kept popping off the screen, which he was doing
Speaker 1: the other cornerback there. But he was a sophomore, so
Speaker 1: we couldn't come out. Went back for his junior year
Speaker 1: this past season, and he was just as productive, I mean,
Speaker 1: had double digit passes defended, a bigger guy, good athlete,
Speaker 1: was the cathalon athlete in high school and at Colorado,
Speaker 1: So there's a lot to like there. Uh. He's a
Speaker 1: guy that not necessarily quick twitch, but good size, uses
Speaker 1: length well. He's consistently within arm's length of the receiver,
Speaker 1: so he can make plays on the football. Well built
Speaker 1: for the position. I think smaller quicker receivers will give
Speaker 1: him some trouble at times, but as an outside corner,
Speaker 1: I think he's that classic press man type of guy
Speaker 1: who can help you out on the outside. This is
Speaker 1: a guy that the Cowboys might really like. That's I
Speaker 1: mean because now and Dane once again hit him. He's
Speaker 1: six foot, he's two oh one. You know, you look
Speaker 1: at the measurables and stuff there. The speed is write
Speaker 1: about four or five one, you know, let's see and
Speaker 1: you and we talk about reach thirty three and a
Speaker 1: half on the arms. This is a guy. This is
Speaker 1: this has Chris Richard written all over it. As a
Speaker 1: guy that they'll probably have a lot higher. And I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if we're sitting there and maybe not
Speaker 1: at not at at nineteen, but if they said something, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know you talked about moving guys around that three
Speaker 1: that we're getting. Yeah, yeah, No, I mean, here's a
Speaker 1: guy that has tremendous length. He really really does, and
Speaker 1: he's a tall guy, and Dane's right. I The thing
Speaker 1: about him is, though I watched him play press because
Speaker 1: of the length, you know, maybe he's a guy you
Speaker 1: can flip because he's a he's got that kind of
Speaker 1: that start stop quickness stuff press man Corner. This might
Speaker 1: be a guy that's pretty high on their board when
Speaker 1: it's all said and done. Carlton Davis or is they
Speaker 1: Oliver I have I have? I have Davis higher on
Speaker 1: my board. Carlton Davis is A yeah. I think they're
Speaker 1: they're stacked for me, and they're pretty similar, you know,
Speaker 1: bigger guys, they're right there. I mean, I'm good athletes.
Speaker 1: It's a great conversation that we don't have time for today,
Speaker 1: but it kind of goes back to last year. You know,
Speaker 1: they spent so many resources on Corner. You gotta feel
Speaker 1: good about their depth chart at cornerback right now, but
Speaker 1: you could put yourself to the test in terms of,
Speaker 1: you know, window dressing your board. I mean, what if
Speaker 1: you wind up where a cornerback is obviously the best
Speaker 1: option available to you. There's a good chance that happens,
Speaker 1: because this is the cornerback class is the best, the most,
Speaker 1: the strongest position this year and this year's draft hidden's
Speaker 1: pretty good though too. It isn't running back cornerbacks better,
Speaker 1: And I think with the way this league is set up,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you could turn that down. Yeah. You, um,
Speaker 1: this guy did some freaky stuff at the combine, and
Speaker 1: I feel like we don't talk about him. Florida states
Speaker 1: Josh Sweat, not liking that side. I think I liked
Speaker 1: them better than how are you broad ested? You did?
Speaker 1: You did? And it's go ahead if you want to
Speaker 1: describe him well and they see about the kid, let
Speaker 1: me start with the negative. Oh wait, that's my job. Well,
Speaker 1: just because you have to talk about it, get it
Speaker 1: out of the way. Is the medicals have to come
Speaker 1: back clean. Yeah, he had a devastating knee injury his
Speaker 1: senior year in high school. Yeah, he was a he
Speaker 1: was a five star guy. He was kind of tabbed
Speaker 1: that next Jadeveon Clowney and he likes like with just
Speaker 1: his body type and everything, so he he has that
Speaker 1: type of ability. But again you worry about the knee. Uh,
Speaker 1: that has to check out, okay, but he didn't barely
Speaker 1: miss any time over his care at Florida State, so
Speaker 1: it's just more of a long term question mark than
Speaker 1: anything else. This is a guy that can bend the corner.
Speaker 1: He's athletic, um, he doesn't always have that rush plan
Speaker 1: that you want, kind of just relying on that athleticism
Speaker 1: kind of like you. But you don't have to use
Speaker 1: the first round pick on him, right You can get
Speaker 1: him on day two and develop him and build him up.
Speaker 1: And as long as the medicals check out okay, and
Speaker 1: they give you two thumbs up where he's still gonna
Speaker 1: be on or he's gonna play through his rookie contract
Speaker 1: and without any trouble, that's a that's a perfect day
Speaker 1: two target. I want to can I can I just
Speaker 1: ask you about a different guy because we're right Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I mean I again, he's right about the guy. I
Speaker 1: just I think he's laid off the snap and I
Speaker 1: see him get bounced. That kind of Bothers me about
Speaker 1: the guy he gets bounced out of place. I well,
Speaker 1: they's got down on him. Maybe I can get you
Speaker 1: a guy that you're up on. I don't know, we'll see. Um.
Speaker 1: This is again, you know I talk about after Davenport
Speaker 1: and Landry, you don't see a lot in the way
Speaker 1: of pass rushing options about George's Lorenzo Carter. I've seen
Speaker 1: this guy mocked in the first a few times. I
Speaker 1: see him high up on all these lists. Again, not
Speaker 1: sure we've ever talked about him. Well, and the reason
Speaker 1: he's being monked in the first is six five two
Speaker 1: fifty nine, a four four six forty. I like it.
Speaker 1: He's got thirty four inch arms. He's just he's a freak.
Speaker 1: So what's the bad part. Well, he's always been a freak.
Speaker 1: And yet you know he didn't have great sack production
Speaker 1: in college. He's very lean, doesn't have the play strength
Speaker 1: that you want. I don't where are you gonna play him.
Speaker 1: That's that's a big issue, because I don't think I
Speaker 1: have this outside linebacker and I'm not sure that's the
Speaker 1: spot that might be his best pot. I put him there,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure about it. He's not a traditional
Speaker 1: hand on the ground, plush the edge because he doesn't
Speaker 1: have he doesn't play with that power. But he's more
Speaker 1: of a jack of all trades, master of none. Where
Speaker 1: you stand him up, let him use that athleticism where
Speaker 1: he can rush at times where he can drop. He
Speaker 1: can use his range, but that's more of a luxury
Speaker 1: than a you know, focal point of your of your defense.
Speaker 1: So if you're going to draft him high, you know,
Speaker 1: top fifty, which good chance he goes that high because
Speaker 1: the measurables. You better have a plan for him, and
Speaker 1: maybe a team will you know a team you know
Speaker 1: like uh, like the way they Seahawks use Bruce irvn
Speaker 1: or you know one of these other guys that don't
Speaker 1: necessarily fit a hand on the ground end, or you
Speaker 1: know a stand up linebacker that kind of a mix
Speaker 1: of both. He's a hybrid player, And as long as
Speaker 1: you have a plan for him, he's probably worth a
Speaker 1: pick in the top fifty, top sixty. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's some question. The thing that probathered me the most
Speaker 1: about he absorbs blocks for a long arm guy doesn't
Speaker 1: know how to use him. He just does not. I mean,
Speaker 1: people get on him and he is struggling to get
Speaker 1: off them. So yeah, I had a real problem. He's
Speaker 1: like all arms and legs when he rushes, very la.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's it's kind of like watch
Speaker 1: him do that, but he dever gets the corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, you're going, Okay, get the court. And I
Speaker 1: watch him against Notre Dame because I want to see
Speaker 1: him play against mcclinchy, and mcclinchy just wore him out
Speaker 1: this year, and I'm like, that's the kind of guy
Speaker 1: you're gonna be playing against the NFL exactly. You know,
Speaker 1: I come in with like five names in this segment
Speaker 1: every week, and I'm pumped about all of them, and
Speaker 1: I usually only come away still excited about one by
Speaker 1: the time. Y'all, Hey, at least it's the names, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the name. Sorry, all right, hey, listen, Thanks everybody
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