Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan
Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth Lazar. Hello, everybody, nailed it? Joined
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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barrs. And you told me that my
Speaker 1: take was unoriginal, but I'm gonna give it anyways. You
Speaker 1: are the host. Hello everybody, and welcome into a new
Speaker 1: edition of the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts. My takes
Speaker 1: are sometimes unoriginal, Alex, but they're correct. That's the way
Speaker 1: I look at it. I just want to be accurate,
Speaker 1: even if it's what everybody else is saying, or even
Speaker 1: if it's something I've said before. If that's what it
Speaker 1: is to me, that's what it is. Now. That that
Speaker 1: being said, busy day, busy day. And by the way,
Speaker 1: that that's what this show has been since its inception,
Speaker 1: Before it was this shows pointing out the opera. We're
Speaker 1: not necessarily trying to comment and burden the place down.
Speaker 1: We just want to be right. We want to take
Speaker 1: If there's one thing this show appreciates, it's a good
Speaker 1: victory lap. This show is basically just one long vehicle
Speaker 1: to set up victory laps. That's all it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. We don't have a ton of victory
Speaker 1: laps yet, but one victory lap we certainly well, this
Speaker 1: is what is this? This is uh Brian Hoyer episode eight. Yes,
Speaker 1: Antoine Walker eight, Antoine Walker eight, cars Tramsky of course,
Speaker 1: I can't forget about Yaz. Was cam Neely eight? Was
Speaker 1: cam Neely seven or eight? I think he was eight?
Speaker 1: I'm going eight. People are going to be furious at
Speaker 1: me for not being able to get this. There's other
Speaker 1: we're missing one Patriots eight. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: can't Jawan Bentley eight? Is it cam Neely eight? A
Speaker 1: Josh Miller eight? There you go, a punter back in
Speaker 1: the day. I looked this up last week when we
Speaker 1: did the seventh. There haven't been a lot of the eights.
Speaker 1: I was right about cam Neely though, Right, you were
Speaker 1: right about cam Nely. Yeah, that I thought. All right,
Speaker 1: So we don't have a lot of victory laps yet
Speaker 1: about the Patriots to take not because we've been wrong.
Speaker 1: It's a show hasn't been on that long, and we
Speaker 1: also just I think the Patriots still need to hold
Speaker 1: up their end of the bargain for us to take
Speaker 1: some victory laps. Now, with that being said, one victory
Speaker 1: lap that we both certainly can take is that the
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson is not good victory lab. Yeah, neither one
Speaker 1: of us were huge Wilson guys coming in it him
Speaker 1: as the sixth quarterback in that track. I think I
Speaker 1: had him at five or four in that draft, but
Speaker 1: certainly light years behind Lawrence Fields. Trey Lance, and I
Speaker 1: fell in love with Trey Lance. We still don't know
Speaker 1: about Trey Lance. We still the books still out on
Speaker 1: Trey Lance. And I'll even say the sitting here is
Speaker 1: a person. And this apparently might surprise some people. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize this was up for debate as somebody who's
Speaker 1: a big time Mac Jones guy. Book still out on
Speaker 1: Mac Jones. We don't know. He might be an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1: He might not. We know about Zach Wilson now we
Speaker 1: know he's not. And it's not even necessarily the raw
Speaker 1: quarterbacking ability. He doesn't. He's not. He doesn't have the
Speaker 1: makeup the mental makeup of an NFL quarterback. He just
Speaker 1: he just doesn't. You saw it in the post game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we saw that in the post game I
Speaker 1: was listening to your guy Ted Johnson this morning briefly,
Speaker 1: and he also mentioned that he's not a captain, which
Speaker 1: I don't usually look too deep into those types of things,
Speaker 1: but you're too. Mac Jones see on his chest, so captain.
Speaker 1: One of the big knocks about Zach Wilson coming out
Speaker 1: was that he was a multi year starter at BYU.
Speaker 1: He started as a I don't remember, sophomore, junior, junior, senior,
Speaker 1: whatever it was. He was never a captain. A multi
Speaker 1: year starting quarterback not being a captain in college football
Speaker 1: is unheard of. And even just making him the captain
Speaker 1: just because he's the quarterback right right, Like, even if
Speaker 1: he doesn't earn it. A lot of teams will just
Speaker 1: give the quarterback, the starting QB, the incumbent starter, the
Speaker 1: entrenched starter, the captainship just because they want the quarterback
Speaker 1: to bed. I think you could say the same about
Speaker 1: what's going on with the Jets right now. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not like, oh, you know, we had all these
Speaker 1: qualified players, he's not not. The quarterback is usually a captain,
Speaker 1: like they just we thought Mac might have been named
Speaker 1: a captain last year. We were talking about that as
Speaker 1: an outside shot after Cam got cut right, No, that
Speaker 1: happened because he's not up to it. Talking about Wilson,
Speaker 1: Robert Sali went to the podium yesterday. I don't know
Speaker 1: was the virtual podium or the physical podium, but he
Speaker 1: was at the podium yesterday in the Meadowlands and said
Speaker 1: that he's not committed to a quarterback next week. So
Speaker 1: this is starting to get really dicey with Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to take away too much from
Speaker 1: what the Patriots defense did on Sunday against the Jets
Speaker 1: and come in here and say they actually didn't play
Speaker 1: that good, because I don't think that that's necessarily true.
Speaker 1: They're the Patriots. And what I did before the show
Speaker 1: to kind of plan this show out was I put
Speaker 1: things in two buckets. Things I liked about this game
Speaker 1: and things I didn't like about this game. And I
Speaker 1: want to tee him up and then we can talk
Speaker 1: about him. Can call in also in weighing on this
Speaker 1: eight five pads, five hundred if you want to email
Speaker 1: us at web radio at Patriots dot com as well
Speaker 1: and give your two cents on how I break this
Speaker 1: down or how you another point. If we don't get
Speaker 1: that to that to us up for it, So give
Speaker 1: us a call, and we were with you for the
Speaker 1: next hour until the head coach, until Bill comes to
Speaker 1: the podium, so what we'll be here for the next hour. Anyways,
Speaker 1: one of the things that I did like about what
Speaker 1: they did on Sunday, Well, first of all, Zack Wilson
Speaker 1: not being good is great, right, I mean that that
Speaker 1: confirms our priors, which is obviously most important. But secondly,
Speaker 1: it means another team in the AFC East is searching
Speaker 1: for a quarterback I think as soon as next year's draft,
Speaker 1: which which is fascinating. And you also put into it
Speaker 1: that the Jets are probably still going to be around
Speaker 1: a five hundred football teams, so it's not like they're
Speaker 1: going to have you're talking about for the rest of
Speaker 1: this year. Yes, okay, yeah, So it's not like they're
Speaker 1: going to have a top five pick again to take
Speaker 1: take a quarterback. So I think there's a really good
Speaker 1: chance that the Jets are going to sell the farm
Speaker 1: to move up for a quarterback, and maybe Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: will be involved in that trade, right, A team that
Speaker 1: wants to try to tap into that physical potential, and
Speaker 1: maybe they think that their situation can get more out
Speaker 1: of him sort of thing. So that or because I
Speaker 1: mean the Jets might be a quarterback away from being legit.
Speaker 1: That that's that's sort of what I was getting out with.
Speaker 1: The defense is watching this this film back the Patriots front,
Speaker 1: their defensive front is excellent, and I know everybody's waiting
Speaker 1: to play Buffalo, right and everybody's waiting for the shoe
Speaker 1: to drop with this defense. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: the Patriots defense is going to hold the Bills to
Speaker 1: ten points or anything like that. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: going to happen. But the way that they play the
Speaker 1: run and the way that they rushed the passer right
Speaker 1: now is it's fun to watch. I mean, they are
Speaker 1: coming downhill at the line of scrimmage, guys like you
Speaker 1: know on the defensive line wise Godshaw, Larry Guy, Matthew
Speaker 1: jude On, you know, those guys are doing their jobs
Speaker 1: up front. You have the linebacker level. I think Tabi
Speaker 1: has been sneaky. Okay, yeah, I'm not saying that he's
Speaker 1: a superstar. He's done his job. Jawan Bentley, when you're
Speaker 1: having him just come down and fill against the run
Speaker 1: and that's his only responsibility. He's been huge. Kyle Dugger
Speaker 1: and Jabril Peppers just lighting bodies up in this game.
Speaker 1: It was that was one of my favorite parts of
Speaker 1: this game is Kyle Dugger and Jabriel Peppers just filling
Speaker 1: from depth, whether it's a linebacker or too high a
Speaker 1: lineman and with the safety is rotating and they just
Speaker 1: come in and they get into like a fit against
Speaker 1: the run, and they are coming downhill at people and
Speaker 1: you see that sort of physicality you see. I think
Speaker 1: the energy that this defense plays with, or you can
Speaker 1: call it speed I suppose, but I call it more
Speaker 1: energy that they play with against the run and in
Speaker 1: the pass rush is terrific. There four and five mine
Speaker 1: pass rush on third down is ridiculous. I mean, they
Speaker 1: can do all sorts of different things. It's not Judon
Speaker 1: allows them to get creative with it because he can
Speaker 1: win a one on one on any given down. But
Speaker 1: it's a team effort up front with those guys that
Speaker 1: Judean why is a quality just playing that interior role,
Speaker 1: taking on double teams and occupying guys on stunts ouch
Speaker 1: Mac Wilson. So they have that five man rush unit.
Speaker 1: Gole's not forget high rate. Right. They don't have arguably
Speaker 1: their second best pass rusher right now in Christian Barmore,
Speaker 1: and they look they won't have him for a bit.
Speaker 1: But there's still room for this group to grow. I
Speaker 1: guess it's my point. Yeah, I just love watching their
Speaker 1: five man pass rush package on third down because they
Speaker 1: can just do so many different things out of it.
Speaker 1: They can two man stunt like a TNE They can
Speaker 1: three man game. They can spy with Mac Wilson or
Speaker 1: he can be part of that five man rush package.
Speaker 1: They can one on one, beat you one on one.
Speaker 1: They can beat you with loops, they can beat you
Speaker 1: with blitz Is Nickel, Blitz's linebacker Blitz. I mean it
Speaker 1: just they can throw so many different things at you
Speaker 1: as a group, and you just never know where it's
Speaker 1: coming from, right Like who's looping, who's picking, who's blitzing,
Speaker 1: who's dropping. Like it's all just creative and exotic right
Speaker 1: now and just difficult to decipher. I would say more
Speaker 1: so for the offensive line than the quarterback. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of gets made out about confusing quarterbacks, but
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily what the pressure package is naming to do.
Speaker 1: That's more about confusing the offensive line, and this Jets
Speaker 1: offensive line, you know, they're opening the center to one
Speaker 1: direction and then they're spinning it the other way, and
Speaker 1: they're just getting all sorts of pressure on Zack Wilson.
Speaker 1: I think their pressure it was forty eight percent in
Speaker 1: this game, which is incredible. That's without a lead, right,
Speaker 1: Like the Cowboys pressured Kirk Cousins on sixty percent of
Speaker 1: his dropbacks in that game on Sunday, but they're up
Speaker 1: forty to three, so they're pinning their ears back and
Speaker 1: getting sacks in the second half. The Patriots were in
Speaker 1: a three three ball game the entire game and they
Speaker 1: still pressured Zach Wilson on half of his drop backs.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. So I think this pass rush is legit.
Speaker 1: But when you look at you know, going to the
Speaker 1: things that I didn't like as much about this game
Speaker 1: after watching the film is that, quite honestly, the coverage
Speaker 1: wasn't great, and I think that this Jets receiving group
Speaker 1: is a little bit underrated. Garrett Wilson's a dude. That
Speaker 1: guy is going to be a good player. If he
Speaker 1: gets a competent quarterback, He's going to be a thousand
Speaker 1: yard receiver in this league. I think that Conklin, their
Speaker 1: tight end, is a little bit underrated. Denzel Mims has
Speaker 1: stone hands, but when he catches the ball, he makes
Speaker 1: plays and he also gets open, right. He might not
Speaker 1: complete the catch, but he can get open. So in
Speaker 1: this game, there was a handful of opportunities. I'd say
Speaker 1: half a dozen plays that a good quarterback hits. He
Speaker 1: just a good quarterback is not going to miss these throws.
Speaker 1: A good quarterback is not gonna miss his tight end
Speaker 1: open over the middle and he throws it ten yards
Speaker 1: over his head and Devin mc into Devin mccordy's lap, right, Like,
Speaker 1: those types of passes are going to get completed on you. So,
Speaker 1: on the one hand, love what they're doing with the rush.
Speaker 1: I think the rush definitely helps out the coverage of
Speaker 1: time and makes it so that quarterbacks have to fit
Speaker 1: the ball into their first progression, right. It's not like
Speaker 1: they have all day to go one two three or
Speaker 1: one two check down, like they have to find an
Speaker 1: outlet quickly because of the way that they're rushing the quarterback.
Speaker 1: But you do get a little bit concerned about the
Speaker 1: way that they're covering, and I just look at it now,
Speaker 1: and I see the good teams, you know, Miami, Buffalo, Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: these good passing tacks. I would say even the Raiders
Speaker 1: to a degree as well, just because they have Davante Adams.
Speaker 1: These teams are gonna take Miles Bryant, They're gonna take
Speaker 1: Jalen Mills, and they're gonna target these guys a ton
Speaker 1: right like they're just gonna come out after those dudes.
Speaker 1: So whether it's Marcus Jones getting run on defense, if
Speaker 1: Miles Bryant's having a tough game, or they have you know,
Speaker 1: John Jones, Jack Jones and Brian in the slot, or
Speaker 1: you know, whatever mix and matching they can do. I
Speaker 1: think that that's an advantage that they have this year
Speaker 1: that they didn't have last year, is they have some options.
Speaker 1: If guys are not playing well, they don't have to
Speaker 1: live and die by Miles Bryan against Isaiah McKenzie. They
Speaker 1: can change it up a little bit. But they didn't
Speaker 1: cover particularly well in this game, and there's definitely some
Speaker 1: things that they need to improve on and in that regard,
Speaker 1: and I've just I still can't get there with this
Speaker 1: defense where I'm one hundred percent sold that this is
Speaker 1: gonna last. And it's not so much about the defense
Speaker 1: not being good. It's just eventually they're not going to
Speaker 1: hold teams to three points in one hundred and three
Speaker 1: yards of total offense. And when they played the Bills,
Speaker 1: the lowest yardage total of the Belichick era that I believe,
Speaker 1: and it really it could have been less, Like there
Speaker 1: was instances. I mean, the win turned what should have
Speaker 1: been an interception to a forty yard completion for the
Speaker 1: Jets right on that tape ball. And that's why kind
Speaker 1: of you talk about putting this in context, right, the
Speaker 1: good and the bad. And I had this conversation with
Speaker 1: somebody yesterday and I'm interested to get your thoughts on it.
Speaker 1: I mean, Bill's been here for twenty two years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: They've played a lot of games, They've played a lot
Speaker 1: of bad offenses. They've played a lot of bad quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: So to hold a team to one hundred to the
Speaker 1: lowest yardage total ever in that error, regardless of who's there,
Speaker 1: is impressive. Like we just set off the top. We
Speaker 1: don't think Zach Wilson's an NFL quarterback? Is he the
Speaker 1: worst quarterback Bill Belichick has faced in New England? I
Speaker 1: don't think so. No. I mean they started Bryce Petty
Speaker 1: against the Patriots a couple of years ago. I was
Speaker 1: going through a list the other day, EJ. Manuel, it's
Speaker 1: better than Sam Allener, Sam Ellener. I was going like
Speaker 1: I was just going through the AFC East quarterbacks. Brooks
Speaker 1: Bollinger started a game for the Jets against the Patriots.
Speaker 1: At one point like so, it's you're you're you're grading
Speaker 1: them on a curve for sure. But the fewest total
Speaker 1: yards allowed in the Bill Belichick era, I don't care
Speaker 1: who the quarterback is. That's impressive at this point. Yeah. Absolutely. Now,
Speaker 1: after the game, Garrett Wilson was very vocal about his displeasure.
Speaker 1: I think mainly with the quarterback play. I know he
Speaker 1: didn't he was a good teammate and talked about it
Speaker 1: from somebody was a big picture standpoint of all of us. Right,
Speaker 1: it was us, It was we. It wasn't Zach right.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he was singling out the quarterback. But
Speaker 1: I think that I still have to see it. I do.
Speaker 1: I still have to see it against Buffalo, against teams
Speaker 1: like Cincinnati in Miami. I think that you know, those
Speaker 1: teams to me are not the ultimate litmus test, just
Speaker 1: because if you want to see how much this team
Speaker 1: has improved from last year to this year, it's about
Speaker 1: stopping Buffalo, right and and again, I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: they need to hold Buffalo to three points. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that they need to be more competitive against the
Speaker 1: Bills than they were in those two games last year,
Speaker 1: especially the one here in the regular I hate talking
Speaker 1: about the playoff game because they have you know, DeVante
Speaker 1: Bosby and Jewan Williams playing corner and at that point,
Speaker 1: so it's really the regular season game here until we
Speaker 1: see it against that team in a full capacity like
Speaker 1: next Thursday night or um, you know, in Buffalo I
Speaker 1: had the last week of the season. I'm still gonna
Speaker 1: have reservations. I mean, that's why I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just can't help it. Now. If the defense was their
Speaker 1: biggest problem, they'd probably be a thirteen win team right now, right,
Speaker 1: So I hate to pick on them. I just I
Speaker 1: think that there are going to be moments where this
Speaker 1: coverage is going to get exposed. I'm less worried at
Speaker 1: this point. I know this is crazy because I'll Belichick
Speaker 1: always got problems with mobile quarterbacks. YadA, YadA, YadA. But
Speaker 1: I am a little bit less worried about that now
Speaker 1: than I am about them just holding up in the
Speaker 1: back end. If that pass rush goes cold, like if
Speaker 1: the pass rush does not have a good game against
Speaker 1: the Bills, then I don't think that they can just
Speaker 1: dominate with coverage anymore. But I mean, that's just football.
Speaker 1: That's not unique to the Patriots. Every team is built
Speaker 1: around its strengths and weaknesses. Right, Teams that pass rush
Speaker 1: like that generally play a little more aggressive in the
Speaker 1: secondary because they know the quarterback has less time. It
Speaker 1: was the opposite here for the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: where they had that dominant secondary, so the pass rush
Speaker 1: was a little more conservative because if the quarterback extended
Speaker 1: the play, so be it, he still probably wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: find anybody. I think some of what we're seeing in
Speaker 1: coverage is just they're trying to capitalize on this pass rush,
Speaker 1: and if something happens where the pass rush goes cold,
Speaker 1: I think they can make adjustments, and maybe it won't
Speaker 1: be perfect on the back end, but I think they
Speaker 1: can make adjustments where it doesn't need to look like that. Right.
Speaker 1: I think that's trying to take your strength and capitalize
Speaker 1: on it versus right, because you're gonna try if you
Speaker 1: know the quarterback doesn't have time for routes that develop
Speaker 1: at the second level, you're gonna jump those routes at
Speaker 1: the first level. You Also, I think the other thing
Speaker 1: that I'm still holding on to at this defense is
Speaker 1: that against Wilson, they were using their safeties to jump
Speaker 1: some of those intermediate routes because I think they knew
Speaker 1: that they were going to try to get the ball
Speaker 1: out of his hands and not have him just sit
Speaker 1: there and pat the baby and throw interceptions like he
Speaker 1: did last time. So you're gonna play Buffalo completely exactly, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: That's why I look at some of the coverage stuff
Speaker 1: like you're talking about. And remember, earlier in the year,
Speaker 1: before the pass rush really got going, we were talking
Speaker 1: about how good this secondary was and Jack Jones and
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones, and that was actually against them good. I
Speaker 1: know they lost the game, but we were talking about
Speaker 1: how well they looked against Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: in that passing attack. That's really come on now, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm not the pass rush needs to play at
Speaker 1: a high level for them to be competitive against the
Speaker 1: team like Buffalo, against team like Cincinnati. Certainly, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that the pass rush can afford to go cold
Speaker 1: in those games. But I'm not super worried about the
Speaker 1: secondary right now. I think that they have enough back there.
Speaker 1: So we'll get to Minnesota here by the end of
Speaker 1: the show, I promised. But this is a really good
Speaker 1: appetizer because the Vikings have some things in the passing
Speaker 1: game that can that can scare you, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: Justin Johnson's might be the best. We'll get there. But
Speaker 1: the point that I'm getting at is that this is
Speaker 1: a step up in competition, certainly from what they played
Speaker 1: against Sam Ellender or against Zach Wilson over the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. So this is a step up. So
Speaker 1: we'll see what this defense looks like on Thursday night.
Speaker 1: The other thing that I liked, and I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start maybe this will be like a compliments sandwich.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna start with some compliments for the offense,
Speaker 1: because you know, we are Patriots dot Com, so we
Speaker 1: can't We're not gonna just be completely negative, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: we're not making stuff up either. I think there was stuff,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna then we're gonna certainly get to some
Speaker 1: of the things that really bugged me, like really really
Speaker 1: bugged me about the way this game was called by
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia. Now what I did like, and I'm on
Speaker 1: the record in multiple places saying that I would like
Speaker 1: them to be a spread offense. I would like them
Speaker 1: to spread the field. And I think people when they
Speaker 1: hear spread, they think I'm saying a vertical offense. I'm
Speaker 1: not necessarily saying that spread it out and spread it
Speaker 1: out space of formation. Right. I want them to be RPOs.
Speaker 1: I want them to be quick game. I want them
Speaker 1: to be in third and six and hit intermediate routes
Speaker 1: on third down, right, Like, that's what my dream is.
Speaker 1: My fever dream about the Patriots is that they come
Speaker 1: out and they got all sorts of crazy RPOs like
Speaker 1: they're Miami and we're having fun with it. Like that's
Speaker 1: that's what I want. With that being said, I think
Speaker 1: we've gotten to the point now this season seeing it
Speaker 1: both ways, seeing it with Zappy, seeing it with Max,
Speaker 1: seeing it with Mac, and Gunn seeing it with Mac
Speaker 1: under center that the stuff that they did was zappy,
Speaker 1: And now the stuff that they did on Sunday with
Speaker 1: Mac from under center is their best option. It's just
Speaker 1: what they're best at when they executed properly. Now in
Speaker 1: this game, what I because it's something that they execute
Speaker 1: much more consist instantly than it so in this game,
Speaker 1: what I really liked about some of the things that
Speaker 1: they did. They had some of those zappy play action
Speaker 1: passes into this script right where they had seven guys
Speaker 1: or eight if you want to count. The running back
Speaker 1: is kind of scanning for blitzes and penetrators as well,
Speaker 1: and they're just running two guys into the route. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a vertical clear out for Parker or Thornton or
Speaker 1: Agalore or someone like that. And then Myers is usually
Speaker 1: the one running that intermediate route, whether it's a crosser
Speaker 1: or kind of like a read it route where he
Speaker 1: has a little bit of an option down the field
Speaker 1: or what have you. So they ran a lot of
Speaker 1: that zappy stuff that we saw against Cleveland and Detroit
Speaker 1: from under center play action. The full house package was
Speaker 1: a cool wrinkle. What are we what are we call them?
Speaker 1: Are we calling the full house inverted wishbone, the Diamond?
Speaker 1: I'm going full house Okay, I just like that. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I've heard a lot of different I'm sure
Speaker 1: they have something for it. It's probably named after a
Speaker 1: basketball player. But I tried. I tried to ask Hunter Henry,
Speaker 1: and he gave me a little smirk and was like, no,
Speaker 1: not him. We'll find out by the end of the year.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll. Yes, maybe we can get it off
Speaker 1: the record from one of them. So we're gonna call
Speaker 1: it a full house. I'm gonna call it. Call it
Speaker 1: whatever you want, I'm gonna call it a full house.
Speaker 1: So love that. And I think what you really saw
Speaker 1: was they kept on running that those you know kind
Speaker 1: of double lead play right, it's double lead, double lead.
Speaker 1: They hit a big run on Damian Harris ran for
Speaker 1: thirty yards on one of them by bouncing it outside,
Speaker 1: and then you hit them with the play action right,
Speaker 1: and you get the big one to John the twenty
Speaker 1: six yard or to JOHNU. So they did a lot
Speaker 1: of good things from under center play action that I
Speaker 1: liked that. I think for now, that has to be
Speaker 1: your bass, right And I'm not saying that's gonna be
Speaker 1: your whole offense, but that has to be your bass offense.
Speaker 1: And first and ten from the twenty five, you're under
Speaker 1: center and you're either running the ball. To try to
Speaker 1: hate using that phrase, but I'm gonna use it established
Speaker 1: the run or your play action on first down, which
Speaker 1: is what I would prefer. I prefer them to be
Speaker 1: more aggressive on first down, and this game they or
Speaker 1: like a fifty fifty split almost exactly. So I like
Speaker 1: that in terms of aggressiveness, but it maybe even sixty
Speaker 1: forty pass like really get those play actions, and some
Speaker 1: of that is probably the game dictating it as well,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit maybe the win, maybe the game.
Speaker 1: So I think that they can do some really good things,
Speaker 1: especially against these zone teams and the Vikings or another
Speaker 1: zone team as well, where they can really get some
Speaker 1: big plays down the field off of play action. And
Speaker 1: there were some instances the one that he hit to
Speaker 1: Meyers for twenty yards where he had good protection, He
Speaker 1: had time and space in the pocket just like Zappy
Speaker 1: did in The big reason why is because they had
Speaker 1: seven guys into pass protect They have bull tight ends
Speaker 1: in the running back like I mentioned, is sort of
Speaker 1: an extra blitz protector as well, so they have some
Speaker 1: real bodies up front to keep them clean. And he's
Speaker 1: able to make these throws down the field. So I
Speaker 1: think that those are things that you can take away
Speaker 1: from this offense and say, for now, this is probably
Speaker 1: who they are. And secondly, it worked, so if it
Speaker 1: ain't broke, right, I mean that this needs to be
Speaker 1: their base at their offense. Yeah. I liked what I saw.
Speaker 1: There were elements of things that we've kind of been
Speaker 1: saying they should add. I maybe my favorite play was
Speaker 1: the one where they ran. I actually don't know what
Speaker 1: you call this because it was play action in the
Speaker 1: sense that it was a run fake to draw off
Speaker 1: the defense and then throw it. But it wasn't a
Speaker 1: fake handoff. It was a fake pitch, right yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like is that play action? I actually don't. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: play action. It's cool. It's it's play action with a
Speaker 1: different kind of they're what they're faking a crack toss,
Speaker 1: right yeah? Yeah, So I didn't know if there's a
Speaker 1: different term when you're faking a toss instead of faking
Speaker 1: the hand off. You don't see that very like, you
Speaker 1: don't see that very often. Some of the Shanahan teams
Speaker 1: do it just because they bootleg so much, but yeah,
Speaker 1: not very much. But I you had. I mean, how
Speaker 1: many times have we been able to say all of
Speaker 1: these words together in a row this season? They went
Speaker 1: under center, play action, cleared out the side, brought hunter
Speaker 1: henry backer, brought a tight then back across, rolled mac
Speaker 1: Jones out of the pocket, and hit the tight end
Speaker 1: with room to run after the catch. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: lot of words that have not been said a lot
Speaker 1: about this page season. And when you see something like
Speaker 1: that and then I think they went no huddle out
Speaker 1: of it, or it might have been a get to it,
Speaker 1: it's not what they did. Well. I like that they
Speaker 1: went no huddle. What they called when they went to huddle.
Speaker 1: You don't like that they went no huddle. No okay,
Speaker 1: So just as it as let me let me, let
Speaker 1: me separate, separate two things here, well, because I liked
Speaker 1: that play. And then they go up to the line
Speaker 1: and they start going tempo. No, you just don't like
Speaker 1: they're doing tempo at all. What's wrong with tempo? No? Okay?
Speaker 1: So they run this is this is the problem. That's
Speaker 1: what I wrote about it, and after further review, and
Speaker 1: this is what's driving me absolutely up a wall about
Speaker 1: this game on Sunday, which The reason why it's driving
Speaker 1: me up a wall is because they should have won
Speaker 1: this game thirty to three, okay, and they didn't win
Speaker 1: the game thirty to three for two reasons. One, we'll
Speaker 1: get to the offensive line, and we'll get to the saxe.
Speaker 1: That's in the don't like category obviously, And what's also
Speaker 1: in the don't like category is the damn play caller. Okay,
Speaker 1: because you're talking about the sequence with Hunter Henry, I
Speaker 1: just mentioned the completion that they had to Jakobe. This
Speaker 1: is the same sequence right back to back plays. They
Speaker 1: go under center, they go play action and what what
Speaker 1: do you know? Oh my god, they ran play action
Speaker 1: with some run action in it too, right, Like they
Speaker 1: motion the receivers in tight to the formation. That's usually
Speaker 1: a tell that they're bringing that receiver into block somebody
Speaker 1: in the box, whether it's a crack toss or just
Speaker 1: one of their inside zone or duo plays like that's
Speaker 1: how you get that extra body inside is with that motion.
Speaker 1: So the motion marries up to the run game. Then
Speaker 1: the offensive line is blocking like it's a run and
Speaker 1: oh we have it, Like we're going, okay, this is
Speaker 1: execution on play action. This is designed on play action.
Speaker 1: So they hit back to back plays. They go twenty
Speaker 1: yards to Myers, twenty yards to Henry on back to
Speaker 1: back play action plays. They get first and ten in
Speaker 1: the Jets territory. And what do they do. They put
Speaker 1: a totally different personnel grouping out there, totally different personnel grouping.
Speaker 1: They go eleven personnel, they go trips to one side,
Speaker 1: they go shotgun shotgun. You just had two forty yards
Speaker 1: and two plays, two explosives and back to back plays,
Speaker 1: and the very next play we run a complete It's
Speaker 1: like a line change, right, It's like a line change
Speaker 1: in hockey. We take all these guys off the field,
Speaker 1: we put pass game players on the field, We run
Speaker 1: a shotgun trips formation offense, and mac Jones get sacked instantly,
Speaker 1: instantly sacked. On the next play. After he gets sacked,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna go back into the shotgun because why not, right,
Speaker 1: because that's totally what's working. So we go back into
Speaker 1: the shotgun, holding penalty second in twenty seven. So you
Speaker 1: just had a positive drive where you get into Jets territory.
Speaker 1: I think it's like first and ten from the Jets
Speaker 1: thirty five yard line or something like that. And you
Speaker 1: move backwards seventeen yards and two plays from the gun
Speaker 1: of the one that they got called for holding was
Speaker 1: the one that they went no huddle right, not ready
Speaker 1: to play. So here's the thing with the play calling.
Speaker 1: And we've talked about it a lot already, I think
Speaker 1: on this show and other shows here on Patriots dot Com.
Speaker 1: And there's two ways that you know, I look at it,
Speaker 1: or ways to call we've been calling like it's training camp, right,
Speaker 1: We're just running plays to run plays. And I think
Speaker 1: there's one hundred percent truth to that. Like, I think
Speaker 1: that's exactly what's happening right now. They have a play sheet,
Speaker 1: let's call it, twenty twenty five plays that are in
Speaker 1: the install for the game, and they're just picking them
Speaker 1: att random. None of them are complimentary, none of them
Speaker 1: sequenced together, none of them make any sense together, Like
Speaker 1: how you go from too explosive off of play action
Speaker 1: from under center and then you run shotgun trips and
Speaker 1: get sacked. Like those plays have nothing to do with
Speaker 1: each other. So good teams, good coordinated offense, good play
Speaker 1: callers would look at that and say, okay, so we
Speaker 1: motion hunter Henry and tied to the formation like we're
Speaker 1: going to crack toss. We fake the crack toss. We
Speaker 1: bootleg mac out, which I love because they got to
Speaker 1: move the pockets some now because the offensive line's a problem,
Speaker 1: and we hit Hunter Henry on a cross or for
Speaker 1: twenty yards a good offensive coordinator. The very next play,
Speaker 1: first and ten from the thirty five yard line, crack
Speaker 1: toss right, crack toss from under center. So you show them,
Speaker 1: even if it doesn't go anywhere, you're showing them the
Speaker 1: action again. You're showing them that you will do it.
Speaker 1: You're showing them that this is a complimentary play to
Speaker 1: one of our base plays because now you can run
Speaker 1: the same exact fake again, right, and then you hit
Speaker 1: them with the fake. This is what all of this
Speaker 1: is what the Shanahan team does. This is what their
Speaker 1: whole crew is all about, right, is marrying up their
Speaker 1: play actions to their runs and sequencing them together so
Speaker 1: everything looks the same and it's difficult to predict what's
Speaker 1: coming later on in the game. Or actually it was earlier,
Speaker 1: but there's three instances where this happened earlier in the game.
Speaker 1: They came out in that full house formation, they get
Speaker 1: an explosive thirty yard run by Damien Harris out of
Speaker 1: the full house. Then they go back under center and
Speaker 1: they check it down to Damien Harris for fifteen yards
Speaker 1: off of play action, and then they go back in
Speaker 1: the gun. Right and it's just like this has no
Speaker 1: semblance of sequencing of complimentary plays, of scripts scripting, right
Speaker 1: like we're just pulling plays out of a hat, like oh, now,
Speaker 1: like we feel like doing this, and now we feel
Speaker 1: like doing that, and the offense right now. Back in
Speaker 1: the day, and I know we always say this, right
Speaker 1: back in the day, when they had Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: they had Josh McDaniels. Back in the day, they were
Speaker 1: able to do this because they were so damn good
Speaker 1: that they could execut anything. Right now, they don't major
Speaker 1: in anything. There's no foundation to the offense and the
Speaker 1: talent and the execution from play to play is not
Speaker 1: good enough for them to just run everything. Like right now,
Speaker 1: they have a mix in their playbook of some of
Speaker 1: its Shanahan stuff, some of its old school McDaniels stuff,
Speaker 1: some of its spread stuff. Like they just have so
Speaker 1: much stuff, okay, but they're not good enough to execute
Speaker 1: all of it. So the best thing that they could
Speaker 1: do for their team moving forward is this is the
Speaker 1: three things that we are good at as an offense,
Speaker 1: and until teams stop us, we're just going to keep
Speaker 1: running these three things. And even at times I would
Speaker 1: say with McDaniels, they did this like they in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl against the Rams, super Bowl fifty three, they
Speaker 1: ran the same play three times in a row down
Speaker 1: the field of the game winning touchdown against the Bills.
Speaker 1: Last year in the Windstorm, they ran ge lead one
Speaker 1: hundred times. Perillas is egging me on right now. They
Speaker 1: ran g lead one hundred times against the Bills, and
Speaker 1: they just kept pressing the button. Crack toss. There you go.
Speaker 1: It's like me playing Madden, right Like in Madden, I
Speaker 1: used to run the same play one hundred times. There's
Speaker 1: ten plays, and this guy is just like he's on
Speaker 1: ask Madden. He's like like, what do I do next?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Now we're gonna do this now. It's
Speaker 1: just hey, I I sequence my plays in Madden. It's
Speaker 1: very frustrating to watch, and I'm sure it's frustrating to
Speaker 1: fans to watch when they have these positive plays out
Speaker 1: of certain formations and then the next play it's like
Speaker 1: that formation isn't even in the playbook anymore, and we're
Speaker 1: just running something completely different. So in this game, the
Speaker 1: offensive line was a problem. We're gonna we're gonna hit
Speaker 1: on that next. But they were moving the football. But
Speaker 1: every single time they moved the football for some reason,
Speaker 1: it's almost like they're like red zone or fringe red
Speaker 1: zone offense. They have like one set of plays for that,
Speaker 1: and then they have one set of plays from between
Speaker 1: the twenties, and so they can't They just won't pull
Speaker 1: from the between the twenty section of the playbook once
Speaker 1: they get inside the thirty right, like it's like that's
Speaker 1: off limits now, which is where it's not like Madden,
Speaker 1: because Madden will tell you to run four verts from
Speaker 1: the two yard line. That's fine if it's working, not
Speaker 1: that one. So the last driver where this happened was
Speaker 1: the one where they went forward on fourth down and
Speaker 1: didn't get it. The fourth and three play to nowhere.
Speaker 1: So the first down play or on the jet side
Speaker 1: of the field, the first down play, they actually pulled
Speaker 1: Trent Brown from left tackle. They run power basically with
Speaker 1: Trent Brown as the poller, and that was cool, Like
Speaker 1: I was like, oh boy, here comes three hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty pounds right at you. So and remember they were
Speaker 1: doing that earlier this year, like that Green Bay game
Speaker 1: and it was great. Yeah, and I we'll talk about
Speaker 1: maybe what was up with Trent, but that that's a
Speaker 1: that works, right. So first down, first and ten, they
Speaker 1: run for six yards by pulling Trent Brown. Ye second
Speaker 1: and four from like the Jets like thirty forty yard line, Like,
Speaker 1: good position to be in sequence here. What's the next
Speaker 1: thing that they do? They run outside zone? Like that's
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Like this is a completely different play,
Speaker 1: like it's a completely different scheme. So they run outside
Speaker 1: zone and Damian Harris gets tackled by three Jets behind
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. And now it's third and seven.
Speaker 1: So what do they do on third and seven? Morrell?
Speaker 1: They run the power with Trent Brown from under center
Speaker 1: on third and seven. Well, you get to gain into
Speaker 1: eight yards from an under center run. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Here's where it bothers me more. If if it like
Speaker 1: if you're in four down territory, right, if you know
Speaker 1: you're going for it there, sure, then all right you
Speaker 1: can pick up four yards right then you get fourth
Speaker 1: and three, fourth and four and you're in good shape.
Speaker 1: It's the fourth down call that me. So then on
Speaker 1: fourth down they've gained ten yards on two players by
Speaker 1: pulling Trent Brown. Yeah, on fourth and three they were
Speaker 1: runna sweet play from shotgun on fourth and three. And
Speaker 1: that's where it kills me, because again, I'm not opposed
Speaker 1: to running on third down. If you know, if you're
Speaker 1: sitting there like third and seven like they were, and
Speaker 1: you say, all right, we're gonna run the ball here,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to a third and three or fourth
Speaker 1: and three, fourth and four, and then because when you're
Speaker 1: in fourth and three, fourth and four, you have a
Speaker 1: you have options. You have a lot of options, and
Speaker 1: that's where you want to be as a play caller.
Speaker 1: You want to have options. You don't want to be
Speaker 1: limited to, oh we can only do this, we can
Speaker 1: only do that. So the third call, the third down call,
Speaker 1: maybe like see a different run play, But I don't
Speaker 1: hate the overall idea that one was fine. You gotta
Speaker 1: come with something. I generally, as a rule, hate shotgun runs.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're they're especially when you don't have
Speaker 1: a good offensive line. Right, they're they're fine. Is like
Speaker 1: a change of pace thing to keep the defense on
Speaker 1: their toes. But I would rather the back gets the
Speaker 1: ball where he's already built up some momentum and can
Speaker 1: see everything in front of him, which is running under center,
Speaker 1: not out of the shotgun. It's a philosophical thing. You
Speaker 1: don't have to agree with me, but like you said,
Speaker 1: we're the offensive line can't get anything. And they did
Speaker 1: it on the other fourth down too, after the mac
Speaker 1: Jones quarterback sneak right right where they ran out of shotgun.
Speaker 1: You're giving them back the ball as he's moving laterally,
Speaker 1: he's moving east to west. That's where his momentum is.
Speaker 1: And and you're having Nelson agil Or block a linebacker. Right,
Speaker 1: He's not necessarily going to get a chance to cut
Speaker 1: up the field because you haven't had those cutback lanes
Speaker 1: all day. Right. The explosive plays created by the backs
Speaker 1: were created by them finding space. So the third and
Speaker 1: seven whatever, honestly, the third and seven whatever, the fourth down,
Speaker 1: that that's the one that caught me. Fine. So here's
Speaker 1: the thing though, So they pulled Trent Brown twice the
Speaker 1: game ten yards on the play look and play. The
Speaker 1: Jets want to know part of getting in front of
Speaker 1: that free train like they had success with it. So
Speaker 1: whether it's on that drive or it's the next drive,
Speaker 1: why can we not get Trent Brown faking the poll
Speaker 1: and it's play action right like that? That that's how
Speaker 1: you do it, right, Like okay, so now Trent Brown pulls,
Speaker 1: but instead it's that they call it Charles Barkley, right,
Speaker 1: they pull the guard instead of the guard. It's the tackle.
Speaker 1: The reason why it was the tackle and the distances
Speaker 1: because the guards couldn't block anybody, so it was better to,
Speaker 1: you know, have them kind of form a three man
Speaker 1: surface and fold the defense that way with three guys
Speaker 1: and then you pull the tackle instead. Nice little wrinkle,
Speaker 1: nice adjustment. Fine, So on the next series, if we
Speaker 1: pull Trent Brown and we get the linebackers are like,
Speaker 1: oh here comes again, and then you hit Hunter Henry
Speaker 1: right behind it. For this is that's that's how we
Speaker 1: mary plays together. Right. They never went back to it.
Speaker 1: They never went back to it. They ran it twice,
Speaker 1: they never went back to it. And what's done is
Speaker 1: they're setting it up for the vikings. They're setting it
Speaker 1: up for the vikings. It's the long game, setting up.
Speaker 1: Michael's been waiting for a long time on the phone.
Speaker 1: So Michael, what's going on? Thanks for waiting. No, you're
Speaker 1: you're good man. Actually you had exactly what I was
Speaker 1: going to talk about. It was play calling, especially on
Speaker 1: that fourth and three, which is just egregiously bad. And
Speaker 1: I'm like the thingy was Mack was playing pretty well,
Speaker 1: um in retrospect too, right, like he was playing pretty good,
Speaker 1: Like you know, he at one point he was ten
Speaker 1: for ten. I know he had like four stacks during
Speaker 1: that time too, but he was throwing it well. And
Speaker 1: that sequence specifically, they ran it four times. I just
Speaker 1: I was just I was frustrated by that. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, guys that they should have, Like it felt
Speaker 1: like they were dominating the entire game. The fact that
Speaker 1: it came down to the very end just seemed like,
Speaker 1: uh it was. It was. It was tough to watch,
Speaker 1: but exciting way to end. But you're both there. I mean,
Speaker 1: this was kind of like a true Stickos game. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really impacting the passing game, like Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: said something during like that, but it didn't seem like
Speaker 1: it really impacted Mac too much. Yeah, thanks Michael, thanks
Speaker 1: for the call. I appreciate it. So on that point
Speaker 1: on the wind, and then I really do want to
Speaker 1: talk about the offensive line. I think it was more
Speaker 1: of a factor in the kicking game than it was
Speaker 1: in the passing game. Zach Wilson air mails throws every
Speaker 1: single week, so I'm not gonna put it give him
Speaker 1: the benefit of doubt that the wind caught one of
Speaker 1: his pass honestly, Honestly, the one time the wind impacted him,
Speaker 1: it helped him because it was was it Garrett Wilson
Speaker 1: knocked it down? The one down the sideline that Jack
Speaker 1: Jones has read, I think it's Denzel Mims? Was it
Speaker 1: Denzel Mims? All of a sudden, you see Jack Jones
Speaker 1: stopped like he looked really weird. At first, It's like,
Speaker 1: why did he just overrun the ball? I was actually
Speaker 1: watching the ball on that one. The wind knocked it down,
Speaker 1: it did. But in terms of the short passing game,
Speaker 1: the intermediate passing game, if you're not throwing an absolute
Speaker 1: lollipop rainbows, yeah, the wind was a minimal factor. No,
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson is every golfer that stepped up into the
Speaker 1: tea box put in one hundred and fifty yards out
Speaker 1: to the left in the woods. He probably if he's golfing,
Speaker 1: he probably would have hit poored Devin mccordy standing out
Speaker 1: there the wind, gus Win guys. Windy today, guys, it's
Speaker 1: like there's barely breeze. It's windy today. Guys. Do you
Speaker 1: feel that I've golfed with that person? Anybody? I don't
Speaker 1: know if Morell plays golf, Evan, I know you're very
Speaker 1: against Morrell, doesn't Anybody who's listening who's played golf knows
Speaker 1: exactly who I'm talking about. That was Zach Wilson on side.
Speaker 1: Oh you feel this breeze at Oh, I think it's
Speaker 1: starting to rain. There's not the grass, Yeah, exactly, it's
Speaker 1: coming right back down on him. Oh look, hell, hell,
Speaker 1: it's going all the way over there. Like Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: is deaf. And then I'm gonna I'm gonna take a
Speaker 1: mull again. It's fine. Yeah, breakfast ball, breakfast ball, guys,
Speaker 1: breakfast ball. Zach Wilson when he throws it right in
Speaker 1: at the mccordy's gut, that and then the not taking
Speaker 1: accountability for it in the locker room, Zach Wilson is
Speaker 1: definitely like the worst person to get stuck playing golf
Speaker 1: with Okay, so you made it eight episodes before where
Speaker 1: I got into a golf ran to have a good job,
Speaker 1: good job, good effort, so offensive line. So David Andrews
Speaker 1: is out, might be out, might not be out. I
Speaker 1: had also heard what Zoe had heard, which was that
Speaker 1: it wasn't as a bad as originally trickled out. Zoe
Speaker 1: says Thursday. I'm not going to Thursday, I know, but
Speaker 1: I did hear the same thing. And I think a
Speaker 1: big reason why is that David Andrews is a tough
Speaker 1: s ob. Yeah, so if he can play, I think
Speaker 1: that he's going to try to give it a go.
Speaker 1: I know Rapp reports new report is that he might
Speaker 1: be able to play towards the end of the year
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. And I think Karen Gregan had a
Speaker 1: similar reports as well. Right, well, so we'll see it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily season ending for David Andrews, but it's gonna
Speaker 1: be James Ferrens. And I know we're gonna get questions
Speaker 1: about Cody Russy and could Cody russi the rookie from
Speaker 1: Houston undrafted rookie free agent that they signed that's now
Speaker 1: on the fifty three. Could it be him because it
Speaker 1: hasn't looked super pretty with James Ferrens. But I think
Speaker 1: from a mental standpoint, there's so much that goes into
Speaker 1: playing center, you know, line calls things like that, that
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really tough for a rookie like Russy
Speaker 1: to take over. But I think he's in play. If
Speaker 1: it really goes downhill with Ferrens, I do think he's
Speaker 1: in play now. The bigger concern that I actually have,
Speaker 1: and look, Ferren's is gonna it is what it is
Speaker 1: at this point. The Jets did a nice job of
Speaker 1: getting Quinnon Williams one on one against him a couple
Speaker 1: of times, which was obviously just not fair, not not
Speaker 1: a fair fight. Tackle is going to be an issue.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have an issue at tackle. And this kind
Speaker 1: of segues into the point of six sacks? How many
Speaker 1: year on mac Jones? How many can he get rid
Speaker 1: of the football? Like this was a big talking point yesterday,
Speaker 1: I know, was how much can you put blame for
Speaker 1: taking six sacks on mac Jones? Because with all the
Speaker 1: pressure that we might have seen, you know, in certain
Speaker 1: games and stuff like taking six sacks in the Brady
Speaker 1: era in one game is like crazy, right, Like, what
Speaker 1: do you mean he got sacks six times? So sure,
Speaker 1: I think that there's an element for mac And I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people want him to like step
Speaker 1: up in the pocket and thinks I think watching back
Speaker 1: a lot of these sacks, I don't think there were
Speaker 1: too many of them were stepping up in the pocket
Speaker 1: was really going to do him any favors. I think
Speaker 1: that there is definitely an element though, of him throwing
Speaker 1: balls at guy's feet or just throwing it over a
Speaker 1: guy's head, right. You know, there was one play that
Speaker 1: I think was really the killer, which was a third
Speaker 1: down play that knocked them out of Nick folks field
Speaker 1: goal range because of the win and he joined it
Speaker 1: off the crossbar, and that one was a killer. And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, he wants and Nelson aglare on
Speaker 1: this corner route and he's kind of waiting for it
Speaker 1: to come open and the pocket collapses on him. Nelson
Speaker 1: Agler wasn't necessarily open. But if you throw one of those,
Speaker 1: only he can catch it type of passes where it goes,
Speaker 1: you know, it's either a circus catched by Nelson Agil
Speaker 1: or it's just out of bounds, but that's also where
Speaker 1: the wind comes in. Like on a day like that,
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't want to He's he's thrown enough of
Speaker 1: those passes that end up hanging up and turning into interceptions.
Speaker 1: So this is this is my point. I think this
Speaker 1: is what the biggest thing right now with Mac Joneses
Speaker 1: is that he first of all, I think anticipation is
Speaker 1: a problem right now for this offense because he's he
Speaker 1: needs to see it open right now, like if he's
Speaker 1: throwing the ball before guys are coming out of their breaks,
Speaker 1: like the way it should be right now. You know,
Speaker 1: he's got guys fallen down, he's got guys cutting the
Speaker 1: wrong angles, you know, and stuff like that. And this
Speaker 1: is how interceptions have happened to him in the past
Speaker 1: this season or guys you know, not fighting for fifty
Speaker 1: fifty balls. I won't name any names, but you know
Speaker 1: who I'm talking about. So this type he's gotten better.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was like a first two weeks. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so so these things have happened all season long, So
Speaker 1: I think that that's a big part of it. And
Speaker 1: like you said, you know, weird wind gusts or weird
Speaker 1: thing happens, and the ball hangs up longer than he
Speaker 1: wants and then the Mac apologist and it's intercepted. Right.
Speaker 1: So on the one hand, you say, okay, well, he
Speaker 1: kind of has to get through that, right, you know,
Speaker 1: he needs to be throwing with anticipation. He needs to
Speaker 1: be getting the football out and not taking sacks. But
Speaker 1: on the other hand, you can understand why he's gotten here, right.
Speaker 1: So I think when you really go back, and I
Speaker 1: did this, and after further review, I went all six
Speaker 1: sacks and put them all out up on the board
Speaker 1: and broke them all down as best I could. There
Speaker 1: is probably two out of the six that I had
Speaker 1: some reservations about, like, okay, maybe he should have gotten
Speaker 1: the ball out here. One of them was that one
Speaker 1: I just told you about where Folk jointed off the crossbar.
Speaker 1: And then there's a one earlier James Farrens gets beat
Speaker 1: cleaned by Quinn Williams. No doubt about it that Farrens
Speaker 1: is registered, you know with the with the sack allowed.
Speaker 1: But the play design, the route design works right. It
Speaker 1: gets Hunter Henry open, but Mac is kind of waiting
Speaker 1: for it, right, He doesn't want to throw it with anticipation. Now,
Speaker 1: I'll allow for the fact that maybe Quinn Williams knocks
Speaker 1: it down because he's already in Mac jone his face.
Speaker 1: But you know, they kind of opened up a passing
Speaker 1: lane by sending John who on a cross and Remondrate
Speaker 1: in the flat, and it kind of opens up the
Speaker 1: two zones and Hunter Henry just curls up in between
Speaker 1: the two zones and he's open if Mac throws the
Speaker 1: ball with some anticipation, but it just he doesn't pull
Speaker 1: the trigger. So I would say one and a half
Speaker 1: because that one was tough because quinnin Williams is already
Speaker 1: in his face, So that means that a lot of
Speaker 1: these are on the offensive line. I want the numbers, Yeah,
Speaker 1: do we want to do the numbers from PFF and
Speaker 1: you can give me the number I've recently started. I
Speaker 1: like giving the numbers from PF because then it's not
Speaker 1: just me that's telling you, right, there's other people that
Speaker 1: are back in this up. So PF tracks essentially Q.
Speaker 1: It's qb owne pressure, So get the quarterback. For whatever reason,
Speaker 1: he ran himself into a blocker he held onto the ball,
Speaker 1: or there's a couple of reasons. The quarterback and allow
Speaker 1: a sack. So they have Mac Jones this season in
Speaker 1: seven games, four of his twenty one sacks and five
Speaker 1: of his sixty it's sixty something pressures. I don't that's
Speaker 1: the one number I don't have here, But five of
Speaker 1: sixty something is very small percentage have been on Mac. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when it comes to percentage of draftbacks, because Mac obviously
Speaker 1: missed some games here, eight point two percent of his
Speaker 1: pressures have been on him. That's the eighth best number
Speaker 1: in the league. So they don't think it's a problem.
Speaker 1: He's basically top ten at not getting himself pressure. They
Speaker 1: don't think it's a problem. Here's the bigger number. And
Speaker 1: by the way, some of these numbers because a sack
Speaker 1: can be at fault of multiple people, like you just
Speaker 1: said with the transparents one right, So these percentages add
Speaker 1: up to more than one hundred if you're playing along
Speaker 1: at home. But the offensive line percentage or in terms
Speaker 1: of the pressures ninety six point seven percent, that's the
Speaker 1: highest in the NFL, no qualifier, highest in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Twenty four point six percent from left tackle, nineteen point
Speaker 1: seven percent from left guard, eighteen percent from center. And
Speaker 1: this is for the season, not the jests skins this
Speaker 1: season six point six percent from right chout at Michael
Speaker 1: and window. He rules. I mean, it's not his best
Speaker 1: game on Sunday, but he's no. But let's sip our yea,
Speaker 1: let's tip our cat. He's been like he's the one
Speaker 1: guy that's been less responsible than Mac for all of this. Yes,
Speaker 1: right tackle forty one percent of the pressures from right tackle,
Speaker 1: and then there's another four percent that's either other blockers
Speaker 1: so tight ends, are running backs, or just covered sacks right.
Speaker 1: So here here's the thing. The tackles are concerned. They've
Speaker 1: been a concern all year long. I think Trent Brown
Speaker 1: has been good, had stretches where he's been good, and
Speaker 1: almost almost seventy five percent of all their sacks coming
Speaker 1: from the tackle spot right. So pressure, sorry, pressures right tackle.
Speaker 1: Yadi could just has had some good run blocking tape,
Speaker 1: some good screen tape. He had a really good block
Speaker 1: on Yeah. Yeah. Pass blocking has been a nightmare. I
Speaker 1: don't know what why the athleticism that we see on
Speaker 1: the screen does not get translated into pass blocking. But
Speaker 1: it just hasn't. So on the one hand, you would say, okay, well,
Speaker 1: so instead of Mac dropping you know, five step drop
Speaker 1: out of shotgun where he's getting to ten yards, right,
Speaker 1: that's kind of like the depth most tackles are taught
Speaker 1: to set to ten yards, right, Like if you get
Speaker 1: your guy to ten yards or beyond, and the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: should step up in the pocket and you should keep
Speaker 1: it clean. So instead of Mac setting to ten yards,
Speaker 1: maybe they adjust and started having him set to eight, right,
Speaker 1: so they give the tackles a little bit more leeway.
Speaker 1: But the problem is is that you have to have
Speaker 1: a good interior then to keep the interior clean because
Speaker 1: he's not dropping back as far. So I think on
Speaker 1: the one hand that the positive or the silver lining
Speaker 1: the Jets defensive front end. I would also put the
Speaker 1: Colts like that. Those two teams have two of the
Speaker 1: best interior D lines in the league, right like quinnin Williams,
Speaker 1: you know DeForrest Buckner with the Colts, like those are
Speaker 1: some of the best D tackles they are going to
Speaker 1: face all year long. This Vikings team does not have
Speaker 1: D tackles like that, not anymore. So I think that that's,
Speaker 1: you know, part of it. That's what I think they
Speaker 1: have to do moving forward, is they're going to have
Speaker 1: to trust the interior line to be better than the tackles.
Speaker 1: And I would also then say design plays around it, right,
Speaker 1: you gotta get the ball out quickly. We know that
Speaker 1: the moving pockets I think is going to have to
Speaker 1: be more frequent. Play action in general, you should help
Speaker 1: run plays that. So it's not necessarily designing around it
Speaker 1: is in getting the ball at quicker moving mac. You
Speaker 1: can do things where the pass rushers have to think
Speaker 1: about it. You can slow down the pass rush when
Speaker 1: you run things like play action, when you run things
Speaker 1: like draws rpo Zevan. Not to get you too excited,
Speaker 1: I'm getting tweets that people can hear you banging on
Speaker 1: the table when you run those sort of concepts. Right,
Speaker 1: if you're pass rushing, you want to pin your ears
Speaker 1: back and get back up field. Now all of a sudden, Oh,
Speaker 1: here's a draw and you've totally vacated your space and
Speaker 1: they're going to run right into your gap for big play. Now,
Speaker 1: next time you line up, that's in the back of
Speaker 1: your head. You're not necessarily going to sell all out
Speaker 1: as a pass rush run the next period, but Patricia
Speaker 1: will never call it again, so they won't think, look,
Speaker 1: I'm just here, We're just here to say how the
Speaker 1: game works. Right, Yeah, you can slow down a pass
Speaker 1: rush in that way with those sorts of concepts where
Speaker 1: you don't even necessarily need to run a quick throw
Speaker 1: or whatever something like that. You just get in their
Speaker 1: head about it. We've talked about speeding up mac Jones, right,
Speaker 1: mac Jones has been sped up. There's a defensive equivalent
Speaker 1: of that too. Pass rushers can get slowed down if
Speaker 1: you kind of force them out of position based on
Speaker 1: the scheme. Yeah, so they can find ways in the
Speaker 1: passing game to work around it. They can also find
Speaker 1: ways in the run game. I think that they did
Speaker 1: with the full house package where you have multiple lead blockers, right,
Speaker 1: and now you're you're leading through both sides in the line,
Speaker 1: the running back has more options of where he can
Speaker 1: find space. And you know, maybe that's the way that
Speaker 1: they do it. Maybe they start pulling Trent more like
Speaker 1: they did in some of the plays that we broke
Speaker 1: down earlier. Like, so they're going to have to be
Speaker 1: very cognist in the line because Americans isn't walking through
Speaker 1: the door, right, like Matt Light's not walking through the
Speaker 1: door like This is not getting any better from a
Speaker 1: personnel standpoint moving forward. This is sort of what you have,
Speaker 1: So you're gonna have to just work with what you
Speaker 1: have now as a play caller, Mattie p Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have to be super cognizant of the fact that your
Speaker 1: line is a problem. Right, So they cannot have any
Speaker 1: game plans anymore where they're trying to push the ball,
Speaker 1: you know, vertically down to four three, three and a
Speaker 1: half second passing content, right, unless it's under center play
Speaker 1: action with seven guys in the protection. Right, So they
Speaker 1: have to be any very cognizant of it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with all Right, we got two more calls.
Speaker 1: We got to fly through him ten and Mayne quickly.
Speaker 1: What do you got hey? Um, So we just wanted
Speaker 1: to ask Love the end up analysis. Why can't we
Speaker 1: let go of Matt Appreciate as the offensive play caller.
Speaker 1: Why can't we put someone in like Nick Kayley or
Speaker 1: someone else? I mean, coaches get fired all the time.
Speaker 1: Why can't he actually do his job as the offensive
Speaker 1: line coordinator and get someone else in the mix calling
Speaker 1: the plays, if not Bill Belichick himself. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: fair question, Ted, and I think that's one that a
Speaker 1: lot of people are asking right now. I think it's
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things. One. I do think that
Speaker 1: Bill looks at it and says, I mean I kind
Speaker 1: of put him on a pretty bad spot, right, like
Speaker 1: he's not an offensive coach now making him do all
Speaker 1: this stuff on offense. So more or less, they kind
Speaker 1: of had Maddie P fall on a sword, right, And
Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. I think the other
Speaker 1: part of it is is that you know, maybe his
Speaker 1: background is an offense, but Nick Kayley has never called
Speaker 1: plays in an NFL game. Joe Judge has never called
Speaker 1: offensive plays. So at this point, at least Mattie P
Speaker 1: has some experience under his belt, like maybe to get
Speaker 1: better at it. I don't know, I think just trying
Speaker 1: to explain it. I'm not saying that I necessarily disagree
Speaker 1: with Ted or disagree with the notion that they should
Speaker 1: move on or give those play calling responsibilities to somebody else.
Speaker 1: But at this point, you've built up ten games of
Speaker 1: experience ends for matt Patricia doing it, and I think
Speaker 1: that their hope is that he's gonna get better at it,
Speaker 1: like just like anything. Yeah, that's the big one. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I said this to you kind of in different contexts,
Speaker 1: but I said this to you earlier in the week
Speaker 1: off the air that remember where we were like two
Speaker 1: three years ago with Steve Belichick and the defense, and oh,
Speaker 1: he's not the guy in this not And we haven't
Speaker 1: talked about it a lot, probably because there's so many
Speaker 1: questions on the offensive coaching staff. But Steve is pretty
Speaker 1: good at this Steve has been excellent this year. So
Speaker 1: I Bill always talks about learning and growth, and he
Speaker 1: may just see this as all one big learning experience
Speaker 1: from Apatricia. If you pull him, he's not learning. The
Speaker 1: other thing is that's a pretty dramatic change, even if
Speaker 1: it is somebody within the organization still calling plays. If
Speaker 1: there was a time to do that, it was the
Speaker 1: bye week, and I'm not saying they were going to
Speaker 1: but especially now you got back to back short weeks
Speaker 1: and all of that, like it's you might there's a
Speaker 1: good chance you create more problems than you solve, just
Speaker 1: with the the sheer volume of what that shakeup would
Speaker 1: be that I think this point it is what it is.
Speaker 1: You're going to see the year out. At this point,
Speaker 1: it would just you risk creating an even bigger mess.
Speaker 1: I think you seriously risk creating an even bigger mess
Speaker 1: if you make that change at this point. All right,
Speaker 1: Steve in New York. Steve, you're on the air. What
Speaker 1: do you got Yeah, I just had a quick question. Um,
Speaker 1: just wanting to know, why is it that we can't
Speaker 1: get to that like dink and dunk? You know, Um,
Speaker 1: if our offensive line is still bad, then we only
Speaker 1: get like two seconds, you know, you know, less than
Speaker 1: three seconds to throw the ball. Is it do we
Speaker 1: not have the receivers to do that? Um? You know
Speaker 1: when Brady was here or you know Brady now when
Speaker 1: he has a turple offensive line, he still gets the
Speaker 1: ball out, like, you know, really quickly. Is it something
Speaker 1: that we can do? Can we go back to any
Speaker 1: of our playbooks in the past. I'm just wondering, why
Speaker 1: is it that we don't do that if we know
Speaker 1: the line is terrible? Yeah, it's it's another fair question.
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling in. I think they do try to
Speaker 1: do pieces of that, and they've had a little bit
Speaker 1: of success with it. I think the biggest issue that
Speaker 1: you that you have with it, or what I see
Speaker 1: with it, is that the defenses get paid to Andy
Speaker 1: and they know that that's what they're going to try
Speaker 1: to do right, right, And I think that has a
Speaker 1: big part about it in this Jets game is the
Speaker 1: Jets knew that the Patriots are going to try to
Speaker 1: run some quick game concepts and get the ball out
Speaker 1: of Mac Jones's hands. So they're kind of sitting on
Speaker 1: those types of routes right, They're waiting for them. So
Speaker 1: I think that the idea some of the under center
Speaker 1: play action stuff is to kind of open that type
Speaker 1: of stuff up, right. You know, we're showing you that
Speaker 1: we're going to push the ball a little bit more
Speaker 1: downfield and hopefully it will open it up. I think
Speaker 1: that they are trying to run some of that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. It just it just hasn't been successful for
Speaker 1: you know, different reasons. I also would maybe push back
Speaker 1: just a little bit and that the Patriots offense was
Speaker 1: ever truly dink and dunk. You know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like a little bit of a of a Patriot Homer
Speaker 1: got to defend the wall on that one. But I
Speaker 1: hear you. I think that that could be a bigger
Speaker 1: part of what they do moving forward. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: we have like six minutes to talk about the VICA.
Speaker 1: We also need we need time to walk down the hall. Okay,
Speaker 1: yea six minutes, six minutes. We can walk down the
Speaker 1: hall in two minutes. That's for faith in this all right.
Speaker 1: So big thing here with the Vikings to me is
Speaker 1: that everything that I look at, from a macro level
Speaker 1: to a micro level, tells me that this eight and
Speaker 1: two record is a little bit fake. Negative two scoring differential, Okay,
Speaker 1: so they're bad scoring differential. They're twenty third in DVOA
Speaker 1: right now. They have the lowest DVOA in the history
Speaker 1: of DVOA for an eight and two team. Like, they're
Speaker 1: the worst eight and two team. That's Aaron Schatz. This
Speaker 1: whole thing right now, right is they're the worst eight
Speaker 1: and two team of all time. Yeah, since nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: one or whatever. Yeah, he doesn't go back further than that.
Speaker 1: So they're the worst. So I'm not saying that to
Speaker 1: take them lightly or anything like that. It's they've got
Speaker 1: really good skill position players. I think there is some
Speaker 1: new coach mojo that might be wearing off a little bit,
Speaker 1: but that they were playing with a lot of energy
Speaker 1: for O'Connell and stuff like that. Earlier on in the
Speaker 1: year certainly, but this, to me is still a very
Speaker 1: winnable game. The macro is that they're probably not a
Speaker 1: very good eight and two team in reality. The micro is,
Speaker 1: I think that there's little things in this matchup that
Speaker 1: really favored the Patriots. Right. So one is that Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins is a statue. So you can sit the numbers,
Speaker 1: you can sit there and tee off on Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: He's also terrible under pressure, not Zach Wilson terrible, but
Speaker 1: he's oh, he's very close. He's actually, he's not as
Speaker 1: bad Zach. It's pretty close in terms of in terms
Speaker 1: of completion percenters. There's only three quarterbacks between Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: and Zach Wilson. Kirk Cousins from clean pockets this year,
Speaker 1: completing seventy four percent of his passes. Yeah, when he's pressure,
Speaker 1: that number goes down to forty two point three. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the other thing that you know that we've both
Speaker 1: kind of hinted at is that, well, first of all,
Speaker 1: their run game is just Dalvin Cook right Like, it's
Speaker 1: an under center, traditional, no mobile quarterback, and the Patriots
Speaker 1: have actually been outstanding as a run defense. Against those
Speaker 1: types of run teams without a threat of a quarterback run.
Speaker 1: Now they do bootleg, so I guess there's like the
Speaker 1: play action threat, but without the true threat of a
Speaker 1: quarterback run element. The Patriots have been nails against those
Speaker 1: types of teams, so they can win up front in
Speaker 1: this game. Especially Christen Derris out not playing, so they
Speaker 1: can win up front in this game. The other thing
Speaker 1: from a defensive standpoint is real quick before you blow
Speaker 1: buy that. The Derissa loss is massively Yeah, he Massi
Speaker 1: is one of the best tackles in the league. He's
Speaker 1: been PFF's best tackles here. His backup, Blake Brandell, has
Speaker 1: played less than a hundred snaps this year. He played
Speaker 1: thirty nine two weeks ago, thirty nine last week. Last
Speaker 1: week and thirty nine snaps. He allowed four pressures in
Speaker 1: two sacks. He's a guy they can tee off on.
Speaker 1: He hasn't played a ton of football. If I'm the Patriots,
Speaker 1: we talked earlier about these games, right that they run
Speaker 1: with the pass rushers. Yeah, anything you can do to
Speaker 1: get this guy one on one with Matthew Judon, you'd
Speaker 1: do it. And Matthew Judon will have a memorable Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: The poor guy gets into the game after I'm sure,
Speaker 1: I'm sure Blake's yeah, and put they put Micah Parks.
Speaker 1: He's got Micah Parsons and now Matthew Judon back to
Speaker 1: back weeks. Welcome to the NFL. Play ye nightmare. But
Speaker 1: that is a match of the Patriots. Michael Parsons ran
Speaker 1: that like little inside out rip that Matthew Judon also,
Speaker 1: Like I was gonna say, you think Judon was watching
Speaker 1: Parsons like, oh, I can do that, and I can
Speaker 1: do that, and I can do that. It was. It
Speaker 1: was not good. So traditional run game offensive lines, a
Speaker 1: little bit banged up quarterback that doesn't handle pressure well
Speaker 1: and can't escape pressure. And we've we've been on this,
Speaker 1: which is why I was getting at Besides, justin Jefferson
Speaker 1: this passing game, like Theeland's not the same guy anymore, right,
Speaker 1: Hawkinson's still getting integrated and they're still trying to figure
Speaker 1: that out. Plus the Patriots took Hawkinson out when he
Speaker 1: was here with Detroit, so Dalvin Cook's probably their second
Speaker 1: best weapon. And they've had some trouble with receiving backs
Speaker 1: in the past. Yeah, and their screen game is really good.
Speaker 1: With Dalvin, so that's something that you have to worry
Speaker 1: about as well. But I think the point that we're
Speaker 1: getting out from the Patriots d offensive perspective is we
Speaker 1: know that Bill is gonna he's gonna game plan the
Speaker 1: run game with Dalvin Cook, and he's gonna game plan
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson right right, And if they beat them throwing
Speaker 1: to theal In and kJ Osborne and t J. Hawkinson,
Speaker 1: then you tip your cap. Kirk Cousins passer rating drops
Speaker 1: by twenty points when he's throwing wide receivers not named
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, right. So in the past Bill has gone
Speaker 1: with a couple of different strategies. You know, when he
Speaker 1: had a Stefan gilmour Derrell reeves that it would just
Speaker 1: be that guy against Justin Jefferson. Last week with Dallas,
Speaker 1: they have Trevon Diggs, so he shadowed Justin Jefferson everywhere
Speaker 1: he went. That could be John Jones, Like I think
Speaker 1: John Jones has earned it. I think he's played had
Speaker 1: a hell of a year, so I think they could
Speaker 1: trust John Jones on him. I think we will also
Speaker 1: see some bracket calls against Justin Jefferson, especially on third down,
Speaker 1: because His whole thing from Jefferson is he loves that
Speaker 1: dig series right where he's gonna He's kind of like
Speaker 1: an option. He can break in or he can break
Speaker 1: on the out. He just reads the leverage of the corner,
Speaker 1: breaks off the leverage, and if you put a guy
Speaker 1: inside of him and a guy outside of him, then
Speaker 1: they can't go in and out right, you know. So
Speaker 1: he's excellent dig route runner and he's dealing with the
Speaker 1: toe injury too. He's injury. So the last thing is
Speaker 1: that this Vikings defense zone defense. They played like, yeah,
Speaker 1: fifteen percent man coverage. They're big zone defense. They are
Speaker 1: allowing the most yards in the league to play action
Speaker 1: right now, So I think the Patriots can throw on it.
Speaker 1: They're like Patrick Peterson's still good, but yeah, Harrison Smith
Speaker 1: is still good, but he's not the player he was.
Speaker 1: They've been rotating all year at that second cornerback spot.
Speaker 1: Andrew Bruth Junior, the rookies. He's hurt. He's hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that they've tried there. They've tried at
Speaker 1: Caleb Evans there. I think he didn't practice this or
Speaker 1: he was limited yesterday as well, or would have been
Speaker 1: right the pass rush isn't bad. They've got to get
Speaker 1: it blocked. But if they can get it blocked, like
Speaker 1: the Jets defense is much better. Yes, they're gonna be
Speaker 1: able to throw on this Vikings defense. If big, if
Speaker 1: if Mac has time, so you have it. There's a chance.
Speaker 1: We're saying there's as like I think. I think when
Speaker 1: you look at the records of these two teams, you think, oh,
Speaker 1: eight and two Vikings at home short week like this
Speaker 1: does not spell a great This is the beauty option
Speaker 1: for the Patriots. This game is the beauty of football
Speaker 1: in that it's not you know, if you were to
Speaker 1: just rate them on one, two, one hundred Madden Rating, right,
Speaker 1: the Vikings might have a better rating. But all the matchups,
Speaker 1: it's strength on strength. All the matchups in this game
Speaker 1: favor the Patriots. It's kind of like how the Patriots
Speaker 1: beat the Jets. The Jets then beat the Bills right
Speaker 1: in the Patriots then beat the Jets again pretty embarrassingly.
Speaker 1: Does that mean the Patriots are that much better than
Speaker 1: the Bills, As much as I'd like to think so, No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It's just the way it all matches up.
Speaker 1: It's very favorable to the Patriots is another game where
Speaker 1: the Vikings do some things at incredibly high level. Those
Speaker 1: also happen to be the things that the Patriots are
Speaker 1: experts are taking away exactly. All right, that's a great
Speaker 1: way to put it, and they don't necessarily have like
Speaker 1: a secondary option to go to. Okay, so we got
Speaker 1: to wrap it up well and then Unfiltered will be
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