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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth Lazar. Hello, everybody, nailed it? Joined

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Speaker 1: us always buy our David match noch. Here is Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barrs. And you told me that my

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Speaker 1: take was unoriginal, but I'm gonna give it anyways. You

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Speaker 1: are the host. Hello everybody, and welcome into a new

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Speaker 1: edition of the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts. My takes

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Speaker 1: are sometimes unoriginal, Alex, but they're correct. That's the way

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Speaker 1: I look at it. I just want to be accurate,

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Speaker 1: even if it's what everybody else is saying, or even

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Speaker 1: if it's something I've said before. If that's what it

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Speaker 1: is to me, that's what it is. Now. That that

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Speaker 1: being said, busy day, busy day. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: that that's what this show has been since its inception,

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Speaker 1: Before it was this shows pointing out the opera. We're

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Speaker 1: not necessarily trying to comment and burden the place down.

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Speaker 1: We just want to be right. We want to take

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Speaker 1: If there's one thing this show appreciates, it's a good

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Speaker 1: victory lap. This show is basically just one long vehicle

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Speaker 1: to set up victory laps. That's all it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. We don't have a ton of victory

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Speaker 1: laps yet, but one victory lap we certainly well, this

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Speaker 1: is what is this? This is uh Brian Hoyer episode eight. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Antoine Walker eight, Antoine Walker eight, cars Tramsky of course,

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Speaker 1: I can't forget about Yaz. Was cam Neely eight? Was

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Speaker 1: cam Neely seven or eight? I think he was eight?

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Speaker 1: I'm going eight. People are going to be furious at

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Speaker 1: me for not being able to get this. There's other

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Speaker 1: we're missing one Patriots eight. I don't know why I

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Speaker 1: can't Jawan Bentley eight? Is it cam Neely eight? A

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Speaker 1: the day. I looked this up last week when we

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Speaker 1: I was right about cam Neely though, Right, you were

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Speaker 1: right about cam Nely. Yeah, that I thought. All right,

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Speaker 1: So we don't have a lot of victory laps yet

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Speaker 1: about the Patriots to take not because we've been wrong.

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Speaker 1: It's a show hasn't been on that long, and we

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Speaker 1: also just I think the Patriots still need to hold

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Speaker 1: some victory laps. Now, with that being said, one victory

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Speaker 1: lap that we both certainly can take is that the

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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson is not good victory lab. Yeah, neither one

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Speaker 1: of us were huge Wilson guys coming in it him

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Speaker 1: as the sixth quarterback in that track. I think I

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Speaker 1: fell in love with Trey Lance. We still don't know

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Speaker 1: a person. And this apparently might surprise some people. I

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Speaker 1: didn't realize this was up for debate as somebody who's

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Speaker 1: a big time Mac Jones guy. Book still out on

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones. We don't know. He might be an NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He might not. We know about Zach Wilson now we

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Speaker 1: know he's not. And it's not even necessarily the raw

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Speaker 1: I don't usually look too deep into those types of things,

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Speaker 1: One of the big knocks about Zach Wilson coming out

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Speaker 1: whatever it was. He was never a captain. A multi

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Speaker 1: They're the Patriots. And what I did before the show

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Speaker 1: things in two buckets. Things I liked about this game

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Speaker 1: us at web radio at Patriots dot com as well

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Speaker 1: and give your two cents on how I break this

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Speaker 1: it means another team in the AFC East is searching

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Speaker 1: which which is fascinating. And you also put into it

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Speaker 1: But there's still room for this group to grow. I

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Speaker 1: Like the Cowboys pressured Kirk Cousins on sixty percent of

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Speaker 1: six yard or to JOHNU. So they did a lot

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Speaker 1: of good things from under center play action that I

429
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 1: liked that. I think for now, that has to be

430
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 1: your bass, right And I'm not saying that's gonna be

431
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: your whole offense, but that has to be your bass offense.

432
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: And first and ten from the twenty five, you're under

433
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Speaker 1: center and you're either running the ball. To try to

434
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: hate using that phrase, but I'm gonna use it established

435
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 1: the run or your play action on first down, which

436
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: is what I would prefer. I prefer them to be

437
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 1: more aggressive on first down, and this game they or

438
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 1: like a fifty fifty split almost exactly. So I like

439
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: that in terms of aggressiveness, but it maybe even sixty

440
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 1: forty pass like really get those play actions, and some

441
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: of that is probably the game dictating it as well,

442
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit maybe the win, maybe the game.

443
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: So I think that they can do some really good things,

444
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: especially against these zone teams and the Vikings or another

445
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 1: zone team as well, where they can really get some

446
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: big plays down the field off of play action. And

447
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: there were some instances the one that he hit to

448
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 1: Meyers for twenty yards where he had good protection, He

449
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: had time and space in the pocket just like Zappy

450
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: did in The big reason why is because they had

451
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: seven guys into pass protect They have bull tight ends

452
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Speaker 1: in the running back like I mentioned, is sort of

453
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Speaker 1: an extra blitz protector as well, so they have some

454
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 1: real bodies up front to keep them clean. And he's

455
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: able to make these throws down the field. So I

456
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: think that those are things that you can take away

457
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: from this offense and say, for now, this is probably

458
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: who they are. And secondly, it worked, so if it

459
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 1: ain't broke, right, I mean that this needs to be

460
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: their base at their offense. Yeah. I liked what I saw.

461
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: There were elements of things that we've kind of been

462
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: saying they should add. I maybe my favorite play was

463
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: the one where they ran. I actually don't know what

464
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Speaker 1: you call this because it was play action in the

465
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Speaker 1: sense that it was a run fake to draw off

466
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Speaker 1: the defense and then throw it. But it wasn't a

467
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: fake handoff. It was a fake pitch, right yeah, yeah,

468
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: Like is that play action? I actually don't. Yeah, it's

469
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Speaker 1: play action. It's cool. It's it's play action with a

470
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: different kind of they're what they're faking a crack toss,

471
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: right yeah? Yeah, So I didn't know if there's a

472
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Speaker 1: different term when you're faking a toss instead of faking

473
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Speaker 1: the hand off. You don't see that very like, you

474
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: don't see that very often. Some of the Shanahan teams

475
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: do it just because they bootleg so much, but yeah,

476
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Speaker 1: not very much. But I you had. I mean, how

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Speaker 1: many times have we been able to say all of

478
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: these words together in a row this season? They went

479
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: under center, play action, cleared out the side, brought hunter

480
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: henry backer, brought a tight then back across, rolled mac

481
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: Jones out of the pocket, and hit the tight end

482
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: with room to run after the catch. Yeah, that's a

483
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: lot of words that have not been said a lot

484
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Speaker 1: about this page season. And when you see something like

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00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: that and then I think they went no huddle out

486
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: of it, or it might have been a get to it,

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Speaker 1: it's not what they did. Well. I like that they

488
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Speaker 1: went no huddle. What they called when they went to huddle.

489
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Speaker 1: You don't like that they went no huddle. No okay,

490
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Speaker 1: So just as it as let me let me, let

491
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: me separate, separate two things here, well, because I liked

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00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: that play. And then they go up to the line

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Speaker 1: and they start going tempo. No, you just don't like

494
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: they're doing tempo at all. What's wrong with tempo? No? Okay?

495
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: So they run this is this is the problem. That's

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Speaker 1: what I wrote about it, and after further review, and

497
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Speaker 1: this is what's driving me absolutely up a wall about

498
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: this game on Sunday, which The reason why it's driving

499
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 1: me up a wall is because they should have won

500
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: this game thirty to three, okay, and they didn't win

501
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: the game thirty to three for two reasons. One, we'll

502
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: get to the offensive line, and we'll get to the saxe.

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Speaker 1: That's in the don't like category obviously, And what's also

504
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: in the don't like category is the damn play caller. Okay,

505
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: because you're talking about the sequence with Hunter Henry, I

506
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: just mentioned the completion that they had to Jakobe. This

507
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: is the same sequence right back to back plays. They

508
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Speaker 1: go under center, they go play action and what what

509
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: do you know? Oh my god, they ran play action

510
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: with some run action in it too, right, Like they

511
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: motion the receivers in tight to the formation. That's usually

512
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: a tell that they're bringing that receiver into block somebody

513
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: in the box, whether it's a crack toss or just

514
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: one of their inside zone or duo plays like that's

515
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: how you get that extra body inside is with that motion.

516
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: So the motion marries up to the run game. Then

517
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: the offensive line is blocking like it's a run and

518
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: oh we have it, Like we're going, okay, this is

519
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: execution on play action. This is designed on play action.

520
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: So they hit back to back plays. They go twenty

521
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Speaker 1: yards to Myers, twenty yards to Henry on back to

522
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: back play action plays. They get first and ten in

523
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: the Jets territory. And what do they do. They put

524
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: a totally different personnel grouping out there, totally different personnel grouping.

525
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: They go eleven personnel, they go trips to one side,

526
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: they go shotgun shotgun. You just had two forty yards

527
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Speaker 1: and two plays, two explosives and back to back plays,

528
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: and the very next play we run a complete It's

529
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: like a line change, right, It's like a line change

530
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: in hockey. We take all these guys off the field,

531
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: we put pass game players on the field, We run

532
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: a shotgun trips formation offense, and mac Jones get sacked instantly,

533
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: instantly sacked. On the next play. After he gets sacked,

534
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: we're just gonna go back into the shotgun because why not, right,

535
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: because that's totally what's working. So we go back into

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Speaker 1: the shotgun, holding penalty second in twenty seven. So you

537
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: just had a positive drive where you get into Jets territory.

538
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: I think it's like first and ten from the Jets

539
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: thirty five yard line or something like that. And you

540
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: move backwards seventeen yards and two plays from the gun

541
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Speaker 1: of the one that they got called for holding was

542
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: the one that they went no huddle right, not ready

543
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: to play. So here's the thing with the play calling.

544
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: And we've talked about it a lot already, I think

545
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: on this show and other shows here on Patriots dot Com.

546
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: And there's two ways that you know, I look at it,

547
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: or ways to call we've been calling like it's training camp, right,

548
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: We're just running plays to run plays. And I think

549
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: there's one hundred percent truth to that. Like, I think

550
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: that's exactly what's happening right now. They have a play sheet,

551
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: let's call it, twenty twenty five plays that are in

552
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: the install for the game, and they're just picking them

553
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: att random. None of them are complimentary, none of them

554
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: sequenced together, none of them make any sense together, Like

555
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: how you go from too explosive off of play action

556
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 1: from under center and then you run shotgun trips and

557
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: get sacked. Like those plays have nothing to do with

558
00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: each other. So good teams, good coordinated offense, good play

559
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: callers would look at that and say, okay, so we

560
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: motion hunter Henry and tied to the formation like we're

561
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: going to crack toss. We fake the crack toss. We

562
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: bootleg mac out, which I love because they got to

563
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: move the pockets some now because the offensive line's a problem,

564
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: and we hit Hunter Henry on a cross or for

565
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: twenty yards a good offensive coordinator. The very next play,

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00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: first and ten from the thirty five yard line, crack

567
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: toss right, crack toss from under center. So you show them,

568
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: even if it doesn't go anywhere, you're showing them the

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00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: action again. You're showing them that you will do it.

570
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: You're showing them that this is a complimentary play to

571
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: one of our base plays because now you can run

572
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: the same exact fake again, right, and then you hit

573
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: them with the fake. This is what all of this

574
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: is what the Shanahan team does. This is what their

575
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: whole crew is all about, right, is marrying up their

576
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: play actions to their runs and sequencing them together so

577
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: everything looks the same and it's difficult to predict what's

578
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: coming later on in the game. Or actually it was earlier,

579
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: but there's three instances where this happened earlier in the game.

580
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: They came out in that full house formation, they get

581
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: an explosive thirty yard run by Damien Harris out of

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00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: the full house. Then they go back under center and

583
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: they check it down to Damien Harris for fifteen yards

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00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: off of play action, and then they go back in

585
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: the gun. Right and it's just like this has no

586
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: semblance of sequencing of complimentary plays, of scripts scripting, right

587
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: like we're just pulling plays out of a hat, like oh, now,

588
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: like we feel like doing this, and now we feel

589
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: like doing that, and the offense right now. Back in

590
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: the day, and I know we always say this, right

591
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: back in the day, when they had Tom Brady and

592
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: they had Josh McDaniels. Back in the day, they were

593
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: able to do this because they were so damn good

594
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: that they could execut anything. Right now, they don't major

595
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: in anything. There's no foundation to the offense and the

596
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: talent and the execution from play to play is not

597
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: good enough for them to just run everything. Like right now,

598
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: they have a mix in their playbook of some of

599
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: its Shanahan stuff, some of its old school McDaniels stuff,

600
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: some of its spread stuff. Like they just have so

601
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: much stuff, okay, but they're not good enough to execute

602
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: all of it. So the best thing that they could

603
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: do for their team moving forward is this is the

604
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: three things that we are good at as an offense,

605
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: and until teams stop us, we're just going to keep

606
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: running these three things. And even at times I would

607
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: say with McDaniels, they did this like they in the

608
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: Super Bowl against the Rams, super Bowl fifty three, they

609
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: ran the same play three times in a row down

610
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: the field of the game winning touchdown against the Bills.

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Speaker 1: Last year in the Windstorm, they ran ge lead one

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00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: hundred times. Perillas is egging me on right now. They

613
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: ran g lead one hundred times against the Bills, and

614
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: they just kept pressing the button. Crack toss. There you go.

615
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: It's like me playing Madden, right Like in Madden, I

616
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: used to run the same play one hundred times. There's

617
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: ten plays, and this guy is just like he's on

618
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: ask Madden. He's like like, what do I do next?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Now we're gonna do this now. It's

620
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: just hey, I I sequence my plays in Madden. It's

621
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: very frustrating to watch, and I'm sure it's frustrating to

622
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: fans to watch when they have these positive plays out

623
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: of certain formations and then the next play it's like

624
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: that formation isn't even in the playbook anymore, and we're

625
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: just running something completely different. So in this game, the

626
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: offensive line was a problem. We're gonna we're gonna hit

627
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: on that next. But they were moving the football. But

628
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: every single time they moved the football for some reason,

629
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: it's almost like they're like red zone or fringe red

630
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: zone offense. They have like one set of plays for that,

631
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: and then they have one set of plays from between

632
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: the twenties, and so they can't They just won't pull

633
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: from the between the twenty section of the playbook once

634
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: they get inside the thirty right, like it's like that's

635
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: off limits now, which is where it's not like Madden,

636
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: because Madden will tell you to run four verts from

637
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: the two yard line. That's fine if it's working, not

638
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: that one. So the last driver where this happened was

639
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: the one where they went forward on fourth down and

640
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: didn't get it. The fourth and three play to nowhere.

641
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: So the first down play or on the jet side

642
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: of the field, the first down play, they actually pulled

643
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: Trent Brown from left tackle. They run power basically with

644
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: Trent Brown as the poller, and that was cool, Like

645
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: I was like, oh boy, here comes three hundred and

646
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: eighty pounds right at you. So and remember they were

647
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: doing that earlier this year, like that Green Bay game

648
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: and it was great. Yeah, and I we'll talk about

649
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: maybe what was up with Trent, but that that's a

650
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: that works, right. So first down, first and ten, they

651
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: run for six yards by pulling Trent Brown. Ye second

652
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: and four from like the Jets like thirty forty yard line, Like,

653
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: good position to be in sequence here. What's the next

654
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: thing that they do? They run outside zone? Like that's

655
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Like this is a completely different play,

656
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: like it's a completely different scheme. So they run outside

657
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: zone and Damian Harris gets tackled by three Jets behind

658
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. And now it's third and seven.

659
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: So what do they do on third and seven? Morrell?

660
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: They run the power with Trent Brown from under center

661
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 1: on third and seven. Well, you get to gain into

662
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: eight yards from an under center run. But here's the thing.

663
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: Here's where it bothers me more. If if it like

664
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: if you're in four down territory, right, if you know

665
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: you're going for it there, sure, then all right you

666
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: can pick up four yards right then you get fourth

667
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: and three, fourth and four and you're in good shape.

668
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: It's the fourth down call that me. So then on

669
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: fourth down they've gained ten yards on two players by

670
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: pulling Trent Brown. Yeah, on fourth and three they were

671
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: runna sweet play from shotgun on fourth and three. And

672
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: that's where it kills me, because again, I'm not opposed

673
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: to running on third down. If you know, if you're

674
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: sitting there like third and seven like they were, and

675
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: you say, all right, we're gonna run the ball here,

676
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to a third and three or fourth

677
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: and three, fourth and four, and then because when you're

678
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: in fourth and three, fourth and four, you have a

679
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: you have options. You have a lot of options, and

680
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: that's where you want to be as a play caller.

681
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: You want to have options. You don't want to be

682
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: limited to, oh we can only do this, we can

683
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: only do that. So the third call, the third down call,

684
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: maybe like see a different run play, But I don't

685
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: hate the overall idea that one was fine. You gotta

686
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: come with something. I generally, as a rule, hate shotgun runs.

687
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: I don't think they're they're especially when you don't have

688
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: a good offensive line. Right, they're they're fine. Is like

689
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: a change of pace thing to keep the defense on

690
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: their toes. But I would rather the back gets the

691
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: ball where he's already built up some momentum and can

692
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: see everything in front of him, which is running under center,

693
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: not out of the shotgun. It's a philosophical thing. You

694
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,959
Speaker 1: don't have to agree with me, but like you said,

695
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: we're the offensive line can't get anything. And they did

696
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: it on the other fourth down too, after the mac

697
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: Jones quarterback sneak right right where they ran out of shotgun.

698
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: You're giving them back the ball as he's moving laterally,

699
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: he's moving east to west. That's where his momentum is.

700
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: And and you're having Nelson agil Or block a linebacker. Right,

701
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: He's not necessarily going to get a chance to cut

702
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: up the field because you haven't had those cutback lanes

703
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: all day. Right. The explosive plays created by the backs

704
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: were created by them finding space. So the third and

705
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: seven whatever, honestly, the third and seven whatever, the fourth down,

706
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: that that's the one that caught me. Fine. So here's

707
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: the thing though, So they pulled Trent Brown twice the

708
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: game ten yards on the play look and play. The

709
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: Jets want to know part of getting in front of

710
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: that free train like they had success with it. So

711
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: whether it's on that drive or it's the next drive,

712
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: why can we not get Trent Brown faking the poll

713
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: and it's play action right like that? That that's how

714
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: you do it, right, Like okay, so now Trent Brown pulls,

715
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: but instead it's that they call it Charles Barkley, right,

716
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: they pull the guard instead of the guard. It's the tackle.

717
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: The reason why it was the tackle and the distances

718
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: because the guards couldn't block anybody, so it was better to,

719
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: you know, have them kind of form a three man

720
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: surface and fold the defense that way with three guys

721
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: and then you pull the tackle instead. Nice little wrinkle,

722
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: nice adjustment. Fine, So on the next series, if we

723
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: pull Trent Brown and we get the linebackers are like,

724
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: oh here comes again, and then you hit Hunter Henry

725
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: right behind it. For this is that's that's how we

726
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: mary plays together. Right. They never went back to it.

727
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: They never went back to it. They ran it twice,

728
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: they never went back to it. And what's done is

729
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: they're setting it up for the vikings. They're setting it

730
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: up for the vikings. It's the long game, setting up.

731
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: Michael's been waiting for a long time on the phone.

732
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: So Michael, what's going on? Thanks for waiting. No, you're

733
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: you're good man. Actually you had exactly what I was

734
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: going to talk about. It was play calling, especially on

735
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: that fourth and three, which is just egregiously bad. And

736
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm like the thingy was Mack was playing pretty well,

737
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: um in retrospect too, right, like he was playing pretty good,

738
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: Like you know, he at one point he was ten

739
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: for ten. I know he had like four stacks during

740
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: that time too, but he was throwing it well. And

741
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: that sequence specifically, they ran it four times. I just

742
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: I was just I was frustrated by that. And yeah,

743
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: you're right, guys that they should have, Like it felt

744
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: like they were dominating the entire game. The fact that

745
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: it came down to the very end just seemed like,

746
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: uh it was. It was. It was tough to watch,

747
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: but exciting way to end. But you're both there. I mean,

748
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: this was kind of like a true Stickos game. Oh yeah,

749
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: it was really impacting the passing game, like Zach Wilson

750
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: said something during like that, but it didn't seem like

751
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: it really impacted Mac too much. Yeah, thanks Michael, thanks

752
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: for the call. I appreciate it. So on that point

753
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: on the wind, and then I really do want to

754
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: talk about the offensive line. I think it was more

755
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: of a factor in the kicking game than it was

756
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: in the passing game. Zach Wilson air mails throws every

757
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: single week, so I'm not gonna put it give him

758
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: the benefit of doubt that the wind caught one of

759
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: his pass honestly, Honestly, the one time the wind impacted him,

760
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: it helped him because it was was it Garrett Wilson

761
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: knocked it down? The one down the sideline that Jack

762
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: Jones has read, I think it's Denzel Mims? Was it

763
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: Denzel Mims? All of a sudden, you see Jack Jones

764
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: stopped like he looked really weird. At first, It's like,

765
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: why did he just overrun the ball? I was actually

766
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: watching the ball on that one. The wind knocked it down,

767
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: it did. But in terms of the short passing game,

768
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: the intermediate passing game, if you're not throwing an absolute

769
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: lollipop rainbows, yeah, the wind was a minimal factor. No,

770
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson is every golfer that stepped up into the

771
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: tea box put in one hundred and fifty yards out

772
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: to the left in the woods. He probably if he's golfing,

773
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: he probably would have hit poored Devin mccordy standing out

774
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: there the wind, gus Win guys. Windy today, guys, it's

775
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: like there's barely breeze. It's windy today. Guys. Do you

776
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: feel that I've golfed with that person? Anybody? I don't

777
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: know if Morell plays golf, Evan, I know you're very

778
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: against Morrell, doesn't Anybody who's listening who's played golf knows

779
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: exactly who I'm talking about. That was Zach Wilson on side.

780
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: Oh you feel this breeze at Oh, I think it's

781
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: starting to rain. There's not the grass, Yeah, exactly, it's

782
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: coming right back down on him. Oh look, hell, hell,

783
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: it's going all the way over there. Like Zach Wilson

784
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: is deaf. And then I'm gonna I'm gonna take a

785
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: mull again. It's fine. Yeah, breakfast ball, breakfast ball, guys,

786
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: breakfast ball. Zach Wilson when he throws it right in

787
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: at the mccordy's gut, that and then the not taking

788
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: accountability for it in the locker room, Zach Wilson is

789
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: definitely like the worst person to get stuck playing golf

790
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: with Okay, so you made it eight episodes before where

791
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: I got into a golf ran to have a good job,

792
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: good job, good effort, so offensive line. So David Andrews

793
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: is out, might be out, might not be out. I

794
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: had also heard what Zoe had heard, which was that

795
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: it wasn't as a bad as originally trickled out. Zoe

796
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: says Thursday. I'm not going to Thursday, I know, but

797
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: I did hear the same thing. And I think a

798
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: big reason why is that David Andrews is a tough

799
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: s ob. Yeah, so if he can play, I think

800
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: that he's going to try to give it a go.

801
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: I know Rapp reports new report is that he might

802
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: be able to play towards the end of the year

803
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. And I think Karen Gregan had a

804
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: similar reports as well. Right, well, so we'll see it's

805
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: not necessarily season ending for David Andrews, but it's gonna

806
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: be James Ferrens. And I know we're gonna get questions

807
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: about Cody Russy and could Cody russi the rookie from

808
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: Houston undrafted rookie free agent that they signed that's now

809
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: on the fifty three. Could it be him because it

810
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: hasn't looked super pretty with James Ferrens. But I think

811
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: from a mental standpoint, there's so much that goes into

812
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: playing center, you know, line calls things like that, that

813
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really tough for a rookie like Russy

814
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: to take over. But I think he's in play. If

815
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: it really goes downhill with Ferrens, I do think he's

816
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: in play now. The bigger concern that I actually have,

817
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: and look, Ferren's is gonna it is what it is

818
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: at this point. The Jets did a nice job of

819
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: getting Quinnon Williams one on one against him a couple

820
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: of times, which was obviously just not fair, not not

821
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: a fair fight. Tackle is going to be an issue.

822
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: They're gonna have an issue at tackle. And this kind

823
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: of segues into the point of six sacks? How many

824
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: year on mac Jones? How many can he get rid

825
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: of the football? Like this was a big talking point yesterday,

826
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: I know, was how much can you put blame for

827
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: taking six sacks on mac Jones? Because with all the

828
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: pressure that we might have seen, you know, in certain

829
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: games and stuff like taking six sacks in the Brady

830
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: era in one game is like crazy, right, Like, what

831
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: do you mean he got sacks six times? So sure,

832
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: I think that there's an element for mac And I

833
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: know a lot of people want him to like step

834
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: up in the pocket and thinks I think watching back

835
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: a lot of these sacks, I don't think there were

836
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: too many of them were stepping up in the pocket

837
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: was really going to do him any favors. I think

838
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: that there is definitely an element though, of him throwing

839
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: balls at guy's feet or just throwing it over a

840
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: guy's head, right. You know, there was one play that

841
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: I think was really the killer, which was a third

842
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: down play that knocked them out of Nick folks field

843
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: goal range because of the win and he joined it

844
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: off the crossbar, and that one was a killer. And

845
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: I think, you know, he wants and Nelson aglare on

846
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: this corner route and he's kind of waiting for it

847
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: to come open and the pocket collapses on him. Nelson

848
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: Agler wasn't necessarily open. But if you throw one of those,

849
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: only he can catch it type of passes where it goes,

850
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's either a circus catched by Nelson Agil

851
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: or it's just out of bounds, but that's also where

852
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: the wind comes in. Like on a day like that,

853
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't want to He's he's thrown enough of

854
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: those passes that end up hanging up and turning into interceptions.

855
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: So this is this is my point. I think this

856
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: is what the biggest thing right now with Mac Joneses

857
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: is that he first of all, I think anticipation is

858
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: a problem right now for this offense because he's he

859
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: needs to see it open right now, like if he's

860
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: throwing the ball before guys are coming out of their breaks,

861
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: like the way it should be right now. You know,

862
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: he's got guys fallen down, he's got guys cutting the

863
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: wrong angles, you know, and stuff like that. And this

864
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: is how interceptions have happened to him in the past

865
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: this season or guys you know, not fighting for fifty

866
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: fifty balls. I won't name any names, but you know

867
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: who I'm talking about. So this type he's gotten better.

868
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: Yeah that was like a first two weeks. Yeah, but yeah,

869
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: so so these things have happened all season long, So

870
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: I think that that's a big part of it. And

871
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: like you said, you know, weird wind gusts or weird

872
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: thing happens, and the ball hangs up longer than he

873
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: wants and then the Mac apologist and it's intercepted. Right.

874
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: So on the one hand, you say, okay, well, he

875
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: kind of has to get through that, right, you know,

876
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: he needs to be throwing with anticipation. He needs to

877
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: be getting the football out and not taking sacks. But

878
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: on the other hand, you can understand why he's gotten here, right.

879
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: So I think when you really go back, and I

880
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: did this, and after further review, I went all six

881
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: sacks and put them all out up on the board

882
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: and broke them all down as best I could. There

883
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: is probably two out of the six that I had

884
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 1: some reservations about, like, okay, maybe he should have gotten

885
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: the ball out here. One of them was that one

886
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: I just told you about where Folk jointed off the crossbar.

887
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 1: And then there's a one earlier James Farrens gets beat

888
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: cleaned by Quinn Williams. No doubt about it that Farrens

889
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: is registered, you know with the with the sack allowed.

890
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: But the play design, the route design works right. It

891
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: gets Hunter Henry open, but Mac is kind of waiting

892
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: for it, right, He doesn't want to throw it with anticipation. Now,

893
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: I'll allow for the fact that maybe Quinn Williams knocks

894
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: it down because he's already in Mac jone his face.

895
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: But you know, they kind of opened up a passing

896
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: lane by sending John who on a cross and Remondrate

897
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: in the flat, and it kind of opens up the

898
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: two zones and Hunter Henry just curls up in between

899
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: the two zones and he's open if Mac throws the

900
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: ball with some anticipation, but it just he doesn't pull

901
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: the trigger. So I would say one and a half

902
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: because that one was tough because quinnin Williams is already

903
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: in his face, So that means that a lot of

904
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: these are on the offensive line. I want the numbers, Yeah,

905
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: do we want to do the numbers from PFF and

906
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: you can give me the number I've recently started. I

907
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: like giving the numbers from PF because then it's not

908
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: just me that's telling you, right, there's other people that

909
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: are back in this up. So PF tracks essentially Q.

910
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: It's qb owne pressure, So get the quarterback. For whatever reason,

911
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: he ran himself into a blocker he held onto the ball,

912
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: or there's a couple of reasons. The quarterback and allow

913
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: a sack. So they have Mac Jones this season in

914
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: seven games, four of his twenty one sacks and five

915
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: of his sixty it's sixty something pressures. I don't that's

916
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: the one number I don't have here, But five of

917
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: sixty something is very small percentage have been on Mac. Yeah,

918
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: when it comes to percentage of draftbacks, because Mac obviously

919
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: missed some games here, eight point two percent of his

920
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 1: pressures have been on him. That's the eighth best number

921
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: in the league. So they don't think it's a problem.

922
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: He's basically top ten at not getting himself pressure. They

923
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: don't think it's a problem. Here's the bigger number. And

924
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: by the way, some of these numbers because a sack

925
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: can be at fault of multiple people, like you just

926
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: said with the transparents one right, So these percentages add

927
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: up to more than one hundred if you're playing along

928
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: at home. But the offensive line percentage or in terms

929
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: of the pressures ninety six point seven percent, that's the

930
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: highest in the NFL, no qualifier, highest in the NFL.

931
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: Twenty four point six percent from left tackle, nineteen point

932
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: seven percent from left guard, eighteen percent from center. And

933
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: this is for the season, not the jests skins this

934
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: season six point six percent from right chout at Michael

935
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: and window. He rules. I mean, it's not his best

936
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: game on Sunday, but he's no. But let's sip our yea,

937
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: let's tip our cat. He's been like he's the one

938
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: guy that's been less responsible than Mac for all of this. Yes,

939
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: right tackle forty one percent of the pressures from right tackle,

940
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: and then there's another four percent that's either other blockers

941
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: so tight ends, are running backs, or just covered sacks right.

942
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: So here here's the thing. The tackles are concerned. They've

943
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: been a concern all year long. I think Trent Brown

944
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: has been good, had stretches where he's been good, and

945
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: almost almost seventy five percent of all their sacks coming

946
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: from the tackle spot right. So pressure, sorry, pressures right tackle.

947
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: Yadi could just has had some good run blocking tape,

948
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,479
Speaker 1: some good screen tape. He had a really good block

949
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: on Yeah. Yeah. Pass blocking has been a nightmare. I

950
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: don't know what why the athleticism that we see on

951
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: the screen does not get translated into pass blocking. But

952
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 1: it just hasn't. So on the one hand, you would say, okay, well,

953
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: so instead of Mac dropping you know, five step drop

954
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: out of shotgun where he's getting to ten yards, right,

955
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: that's kind of like the depth most tackles are taught

956
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: to set to ten yards, right, Like if you get

957
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 1: your guy to ten yards or beyond, and the quarterbacks

958
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: should step up in the pocket and you should keep

959
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: it clean. So instead of Mac setting to ten yards,

960
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: maybe they adjust and started having him set to eight, right,

961
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: so they give the tackles a little bit more leeway.

962
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: But the problem is is that you have to have

963
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: a good interior then to keep the interior clean because

964
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: he's not dropping back as far. So I think on

965
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: the one hand that the positive or the silver lining

966
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: the Jets defensive front end. I would also put the

967
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: Colts like that. Those two teams have two of the

968
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: best interior D lines in the league, right like quinnin Williams,

969
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: you know DeForrest Buckner with the Colts, like those are

970
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: some of the best D tackles they are going to

971
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: face all year long. This Vikings team does not have

972
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: D tackles like that, not anymore. So I think that that's,

973
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, part of it. That's what I think they

974
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: have to do moving forward, is they're going to have

975
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: to trust the interior line to be better than the tackles.

976
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: And I would also then say design plays around it, right,

977
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: you gotta get the ball out quickly. We know that

978
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: the moving pockets I think is going to have to

979
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: be more frequent. Play action in general, you should help

980
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: run plays that. So it's not necessarily designing around it

981
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: is in getting the ball at quicker moving mac. You

982
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: can do things where the pass rushers have to think

983
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: about it. You can slow down the pass rush when

984
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: you run things like play action, when you run things

985
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: like draws rpo Zevan. Not to get you too excited,

986
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm getting tweets that people can hear you banging on

987
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: the table when you run those sort of concepts. Right,

988
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: if you're pass rushing, you want to pin your ears

989
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: back and get back up field. Now all of a sudden, Oh,

990
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: here's a draw and you've totally vacated your space and

991
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: they're going to run right into your gap for big play. Now,

992
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: next time you line up, that's in the back of

993
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: your head. You're not necessarily going to sell all out

994
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: as a pass rush run the next period, but Patricia

995
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: will never call it again, so they won't think, look,

996
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm just here, We're just here to say how the

997
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: game works. Right, Yeah, you can slow down a pass

998
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: rush in that way with those sorts of concepts where

999
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: you don't even necessarily need to run a quick throw

1000
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: or whatever something like that. You just get in their

1001
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: head about it. We've talked about speeding up mac Jones, right,

1002
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 1: mac Jones has been sped up. There's a defensive equivalent

1003
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: of that too. Pass rushers can get slowed down if

1004
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: you kind of force them out of position based on

1005
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: the scheme. Yeah, so they can find ways in the

1006
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: passing game to work around it. They can also find

1007
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: ways in the run game. I think that they did

1008
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: with the full house package where you have multiple lead blockers, right,

1009
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: and now you're you're leading through both sides in the line,

1010
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: the running back has more options of where he can

1011
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: find space. And you know, maybe that's the way that

1012
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: they do it. Maybe they start pulling Trent more like

1013
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: they did in some of the plays that we broke

1014
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: down earlier. Like, so they're going to have to be

1015
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: very cognist in the line because Americans isn't walking through

1016
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: the door, right, like Matt Light's not walking through the

1017
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: door like This is not getting any better from a

1018
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: personnel standpoint moving forward. This is sort of what you have,

1019
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: So you're gonna have to just work with what you

1020
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: have now as a play caller, Mattie p Yeah, you

1021
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: have to be super cognizant of the fact that your

1022
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: line is a problem. Right, So they cannot have any

1023
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: game plans anymore where they're trying to push the ball,

1024
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 1: you know, vertically down to four three, three and a

1025
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: half second passing content, right, unless it's under center play

1026
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: action with seven guys in the protection. Right, So they

1027
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 1: have to be any very cognizant of it. Yeah, yeah,

1028
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: I agree with all Right, we got two more calls.

1029
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: We got to fly through him ten and Mayne quickly.

1030
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: What do you got hey? Um, So we just wanted

1031
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: to ask Love the end up analysis. Why can't we

1032
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: let go of Matt Appreciate as the offensive play caller.

1033
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: Why can't we put someone in like Nick Kayley or

1034
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: someone else? I mean, coaches get fired all the time.

1035
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: Why can't he actually do his job as the offensive

1036
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: line coordinator and get someone else in the mix calling

1037
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: the plays, if not Bill Belichick himself. Yeah, it's a

1038
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: fair question, Ted, and I think that's one that a

1039
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: lot of people are asking right now. I think it's

1040
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things. One. I do think that

1041
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: Bill looks at it and says, I mean I kind

1042
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: of put him on a pretty bad spot, right, like

1043
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: he's not an offensive coach now making him do all

1044
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: this stuff on offense. So more or less, they kind

1045
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: of had Maddie P fall on a sword, right, And

1046
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. I think the other

1047
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: part of it is is that you know, maybe his

1048
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: background is an offense, but Nick Kayley has never called

1049
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: plays in an NFL game. Joe Judge has never called

1050
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: offensive plays. So at this point, at least Mattie P

1051
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: has some experience under his belt, like maybe to get

1052
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: better at it. I don't know, I think just trying

1053
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: to explain it. I'm not saying that I necessarily disagree

1054
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: with Ted or disagree with the notion that they should

1055
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: move on or give those play calling responsibilities to somebody else.

1056
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: But at this point, you've built up ten games of

1057
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 1: experience ends for matt Patricia doing it, and I think

1058
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: that their hope is that he's gonna get better at it,

1059
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: like just like anything. Yeah, that's the big one. I mean,

1060
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: and I said this to you kind of in different contexts,

1061
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: but I said this to you earlier in the week

1062
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: off the air that remember where we were like two

1063
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: three years ago with Steve Belichick and the defense, and oh,

1064
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: he's not the guy in this not And we haven't

1065
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: talked about it a lot, probably because there's so many

1066
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: questions on the offensive coaching staff. But Steve is pretty

1067
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: good at this Steve has been excellent this year. So

1068
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: I Bill always talks about learning and growth, and he

1069
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 1: may just see this as all one big learning experience

1070
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: from Apatricia. If you pull him, he's not learning. The

1071
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: other thing is that's a pretty dramatic change, even if

1072
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: it is somebody within the organization still calling plays. If

1073
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: there was a time to do that, it was the

1074
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: bye week, and I'm not saying they were going to

1075
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: but especially now you got back to back short weeks

1076
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: and all of that, like it's you might there's a

1077
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: good chance you create more problems than you solve, just

1078
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: with the the sheer volume of what that shakeup would

1079
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: be that I think this point it is what it is.

1080
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 1: You're going to see the year out. At this point,

1081
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: it would just you risk creating an even bigger mess.

1082
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: I think you seriously risk creating an even bigger mess

1083
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: if you make that change at this point. All right,

1084
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: Steve in New York. Steve, you're on the air. What

1085
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: do you got Yeah, I just had a quick question. Um,

1086
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: just wanting to know, why is it that we can't

1087
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: get to that like dink and dunk? You know, Um,

1088
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: if our offensive line is still bad, then we only

1089
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: get like two seconds, you know, you know, less than

1090
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: three seconds to throw the ball. Is it do we

1091
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: not have the receivers to do that? Um? You know

1092
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: when Brady was here or you know Brady now when

1093
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: he has a turple offensive line, he still gets the

1094
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,959
Speaker 1: ball out, like, you know, really quickly. Is it something

1095
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: that we can do? Can we go back to any

1096
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: of our playbooks in the past. I'm just wondering, why

1097
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: is it that we don't do that if we know

1098
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,959
Speaker 1: the line is terrible? Yeah, it's it's another fair question.

1099
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling in. I think they do try to

1100
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: do pieces of that, and they've had a little bit

1101
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: of success with it. I think the biggest issue that

1102
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: you that you have with it, or what I see

1103
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: with it, is that the defenses get paid to Andy

1104
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: and they know that that's what they're going to try

1105
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: to do right, right, And I think that has a

1106
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: big part about it in this Jets game is the

1107
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: Jets knew that the Patriots are going to try to

1108
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: run some quick game concepts and get the ball out

1109
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: of Mac Jones's hands. So they're kind of sitting on

1110
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: those types of routes right, They're waiting for them. So

1111
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,479
Speaker 1: I think that the idea some of the under center

1112
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: play action stuff is to kind of open that type

1113
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: of stuff up, right. You know, we're showing you that

1114
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: we're going to push the ball a little bit more

1115
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: downfield and hopefully it will open it up. I think

1116
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: that they are trying to run some of that kind

1117
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: of stuff. It just it just hasn't been successful for

1118
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: you know, different reasons. I also would maybe push back

1119
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: just a little bit and that the Patriots offense was

1120
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: ever truly dink and dunk. You know, it's kind of

1121
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: like a little bit of a of a Patriot Homer

1122
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: got to defend the wall on that one. But I

1123
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: hear you. I think that that could be a bigger

1124
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: part of what they do moving forward. Yeah, all right,

1125
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: we have like six minutes to talk about the VICA.

1126
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: We also need we need time to walk down the hall. Okay,

1127
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: yea six minutes, six minutes. We can walk down the

1128
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: hall in two minutes. That's for faith in this all right.

1129
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: So big thing here with the Vikings to me is

1130
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 1: that everything that I look at, from a macro level

1131
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: to a micro level, tells me that this eight and

1132
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: two record is a little bit fake. Negative two scoring differential, Okay,

1133
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: so they're bad scoring differential. They're twenty third in DVOA

1134
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: right now. They have the lowest DVOA in the history

1135
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: of DVOA for an eight and two team. Like, they're

1136
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: the worst eight and two team. That's Aaron Schatz. This

1137
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: whole thing right now, right is they're the worst eight

1138
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: and two team of all time. Yeah, since nineteen eighty

1139
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: one or whatever. Yeah, he doesn't go back further than that.

1140
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: So they're the worst. So I'm not saying that to

1141
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: take them lightly or anything like that. It's they've got

1142
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: really good skill position players. I think there is some

1143
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: new coach mojo that might be wearing off a little bit,

1144
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: but that they were playing with a lot of energy

1145
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: for O'Connell and stuff like that. Earlier on in the

1146
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: year certainly, but this, to me is still a very

1147
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: winnable game. The macro is that they're probably not a

1148
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: very good eight and two team in reality. The micro is,

1149
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: I think that there's little things in this matchup that

1150
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: really favored the Patriots. Right. So one is that Kirk

1151
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: Cousins is a statue. So you can sit the numbers,

1152
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: you can sit there and tee off on Kirk Cousins.

1153
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: He's also terrible under pressure, not Zach Wilson terrible, but

1154
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: he's oh, he's very close. He's actually, he's not as

1155
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: bad Zach. It's pretty close in terms of in terms

1156
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: of completion percenters. There's only three quarterbacks between Kirk Cousins

1157
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: and Zach Wilson. Kirk Cousins from clean pockets this year,

1158
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: completing seventy four percent of his passes. Yeah, when he's pressure,

1159
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: that number goes down to forty two point three. Yeah.

1160
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: So the other thing that you know that we've both

1161
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: kind of hinted at is that, well, first of all,

1162
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: their run game is just Dalvin Cook right Like, it's

1163
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: an under center, traditional, no mobile quarterback, and the Patriots

1164
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: have actually been outstanding as a run defense. Against those

1165
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: types of run teams without a threat of a quarterback run.

1166
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: Now they do bootleg, so I guess there's like the

1167
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: play action threat, but without the true threat of a

1168
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: quarterback run element. The Patriots have been nails against those

1169
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: types of teams, so they can win up front in

1170
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: this game. Especially Christen Derris out not playing, so they

1171
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: can win up front in this game. The other thing

1172
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: from a defensive standpoint is real quick before you blow

1173
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: buy that. The Derissa loss is massively Yeah, he Massi

1174
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: is one of the best tackles in the league. He's

1175
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: been PFF's best tackles here. His backup, Blake Brandell, has

1176
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: played less than a hundred snaps this year. He played

1177
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: thirty nine two weeks ago, thirty nine last week. Last

1178
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: week and thirty nine snaps. He allowed four pressures in

1179
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: two sacks. He's a guy they can tee off on.

1180
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: He hasn't played a ton of football. If I'm the Patriots,

1181
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: we talked earlier about these games, right that they run

1182
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: with the pass rushers. Yeah, anything you can do to

1183
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: get this guy one on one with Matthew Judon, you'd

1184
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: do it. And Matthew Judon will have a memorable Thanksgiving.

1185
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: The poor guy gets into the game after I'm sure,

1186
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure Blake's yeah, and put they put Micah Parks.

1187
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: He's got Micah Parsons and now Matthew Judon back to

1188
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: back weeks. Welcome to the NFL. Play ye nightmare. But

1189
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: that is a match of the Patriots. Michael Parsons ran

1190
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: that like little inside out rip that Matthew Judon also,

1191
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: Like I was gonna say, you think Judon was watching

1192
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: Parsons like, oh, I can do that, and I can

1193
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: do that, and I can do that. It was. It

1194
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: was not good. So traditional run game offensive lines, a

1195
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: little bit banged up quarterback that doesn't handle pressure well

1196
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: and can't escape pressure. And we've we've been on this,

1197
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: which is why I was getting at Besides, justin Jefferson

1198
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: this passing game, like Theeland's not the same guy anymore, right,

1199
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: Hawkinson's still getting integrated and they're still trying to figure

1200
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: that out. Plus the Patriots took Hawkinson out when he

1201
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: was here with Detroit, so Dalvin Cook's probably their second

1202
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: best weapon. And they've had some trouble with receiving backs

1203
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 1: in the past. Yeah, and their screen game is really good.

1204
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: With Dalvin, so that's something that you have to worry

1205
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: about as well. But I think the point that we're

1206
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: getting out from the Patriots d offensive perspective is we

1207
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: know that Bill is gonna he's gonna game plan the

1208
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: run game with Dalvin Cook, and he's gonna game plan

1209
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson right right, And if they beat them throwing

1210
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: to theal In and kJ Osborne and t J. Hawkinson,

1211
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: then you tip your cap. Kirk Cousins passer rating drops

1212
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: by twenty points when he's throwing wide receivers not named

1213
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, right. So in the past Bill has gone

1214
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: with a couple of different strategies. You know, when he

1215
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: had a Stefan gilmour Derrell reeves that it would just

1216
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: be that guy against Justin Jefferson. Last week with Dallas,

1217
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: they have Trevon Diggs, so he shadowed Justin Jefferson everywhere

1218
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: he went. That could be John Jones, Like I think

1219
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: John Jones has earned it. I think he's played had

1220
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: a hell of a year, so I think they could

1221
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 1: trust John Jones on him. I think we will also

1222
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: see some bracket calls against Justin Jefferson, especially on third down,

1223
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: because His whole thing from Jefferson is he loves that

1224
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: dig series right where he's gonna He's kind of like

1225
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: an option. He can break in or he can break

1226
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: on the out. He just reads the leverage of the corner,

1227
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: breaks off the leverage, and if you put a guy

1228
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: inside of him and a guy outside of him, then

1229
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: they can't go in and out right, you know. So

1230
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: he's excellent dig route runner and he's dealing with the

1231
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: toe injury too. He's injury. So the last thing is

1232
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: that this Vikings defense zone defense. They played like, yeah,

1233
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: fifteen percent man coverage. They're big zone defense. They are

1234
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: allowing the most yards in the league to play action

1235
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: right now, So I think the Patriots can throw on it.

1236
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: They're like Patrick Peterson's still good, but yeah, Harrison Smith

1237
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: is still good, but he's not the player he was.

1238
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: They've been rotating all year at that second cornerback spot.

1239
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: Andrew Bruth Junior, the rookies. He's hurt. He's hurt. Yeah,

1240
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: he's a guy that they've tried there. They've tried at

1241
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: Caleb Evans there. I think he didn't practice this or

1242
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: he was limited yesterday as well, or would have been

1243
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: right the pass rush isn't bad. They've got to get

1244
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: it blocked. But if they can get it blocked, like

1245
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: the Jets defense is much better. Yes, they're gonna be

1246
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 1: able to throw on this Vikings defense. If big, if

1247
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: if Mac has time, so you have it. There's a chance.

1248
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: We're saying there's as like I think. I think when

1249
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: you look at the records of these two teams, you think, oh,

1250
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: eight and two Vikings at home short week like this

1251
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: does not spell a great This is the beauty option

1252
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: for the Patriots. This game is the beauty of football

1253
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: in that it's not you know, if you were to

1254
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: just rate them on one, two, one hundred Madden Rating, right,

1255
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: the Vikings might have a better rating. But all the matchups,

1256
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: it's strength on strength. All the matchups in this game

1257
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: favor the Patriots. It's kind of like how the Patriots

1258
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: beat the Jets. The Jets then beat the Bills right

1259
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: in the Patriots then beat the Jets again pretty embarrassingly.

1260
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: Does that mean the Patriots are that much better than

1261
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: the Bills, As much as I'd like to think so, No,

1262
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It's just the way it all matches up.

1263
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: It's very favorable to the Patriots is another game where

1264
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: the Vikings do some things at incredibly high level. Those

1265
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: also happen to be the things that the Patriots are

1266
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: experts are taking away exactly. All right, that's a great

1267
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: way to put it, and they don't necessarily have like

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