1 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Nightingale's notes. 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: Here comes Bob Nightingale from USA Today and and FT 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: insider here joining us frequently. Bob, great to see you. 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: And let's start out with fifty million dollars per year 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 2: for Kyle Tucker. Do you think that's going to happen? 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: Do you think that he'll end up with the Mets 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: or this mystery long term Blue Jays offer will surface 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: and become the thing for him. 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 3: I think the Blue Jays make much more sense than 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 3: New York. I think he liked me in Toronto more 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 3: than New York. Kind of quiet personality. You know, the 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 3: Cubs weren't crazy about him, thought he was okay. I 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 3: think they thought or kind of hoping, you'd have more 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 3: outgoing personality with them. I think his whole demeanor fits 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: Toronto better than the Mets. And with your Mets, so 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: you're really going to have, you know, one hundred million 17 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: dollars worth of right fielders. You know, Tucker's defense is 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 3: starting to slip a little bit too, just like Soto's. 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: So I'd like him much better in Toronto than mess. 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 4: Wow, what's the hold up here? What's the whole if 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,639 Speaker 4: you have three years of one hundred and fifty million, 22 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 4: fifty million a year on the table staring you in 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 4: the face of this report is true, and there's been 24 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 4: multiple people that have reported this. Why would you not 25 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 4: sign that? And if it has opt outs built into it, 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 4: you know, after year one, after year two, if you're 27 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 4: Kyle Tucker, are you really does he just want more 28 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 4: years to get a little bit more money. But I mean, 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 4: do what Peter Alonso did do it, Alex Bregmant did 30 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 4: do it, Blake Snell did do it, Mattchhaman did take 31 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 4: that one year, go out, have a great year and boom, 32 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 4: then re hit the free agent market a year later 33 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 4: and get that big long term contract. 34 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: I just think he wants to do that. 35 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 3: I don't think he wants to go through the whole 36 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: pre agent process again. You know, it's not a fun experience. 37 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: I'm sure he thought there'd be more offers and you 38 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: know what happened to those you know, four hundred and 39 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: five hundred million dollar you know deals that you know 40 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: were talked about last summer. 41 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: So I think he's waiting for the blue Jays up 42 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: the A. So okay, if the blue. 43 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: Jays are offered six or seven years, you know, get 44 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 3: them to hike it up. An they're five or ten 45 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 3: million a year, you know, obviously I can go to 46 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: the Mets level, but they can certainly raise it. 47 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: I think that's what he's waiting for. 48 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 5: But also, if it's fifty million a year, everybody feels 49 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 5: like the Dodgers can match that, And would the Dodgers 50 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 5: be willing to go to that because if that's the case, 51 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 5: is Tucker all the things you said about Tuckers he 52 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 5: a better fit in LA, not wanting to go to 53 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 5: New York and saying, hey, you know what I'm gonna 54 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 5: hop onto a world back to back World Series champions. 55 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean get you know, you get lost his 56 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 3: shuffle there, which I think he likes all the stars 57 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: in LA obviously in Toronto you got Blad Guerrero there. 58 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 3: I just think you of the Dodgers, hey just won 59 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 3: two ruled surges about the guy. 60 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: You don't need them. 61 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 3: Maybe nights lecture and to have you know, if he 62 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: wants to come as say forty years forty, maybe even 63 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 3: forty five, so be it. But I don't think they're saying, hey, 64 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 3: we're can get a Benning or with the Mets, do 65 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 3: you want to be here or not. Do you want 66 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 3: to win a World Series or not? You know, he 67 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 3: lives in the Tampa area too, so you would think 68 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: that with screen training, you know, both in Toronto and 69 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 3: New York and Florida, that's got to be a little 70 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 3: bit of advantage too, not having come all the way 71 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: to LA. 72 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 5: Is it possible? Obviously anything's possible, But is it possible 73 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 5: that there's another team that would be willing after everyone's 74 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 5: heard about this Mets offer to go that again? Not 75 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 5: maybe not a bidding war, but maybe in the forty 76 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 5: seven million dollars a year range. 77 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: I don't see it. You know. I checked with the 78 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: Houston I thought, well, maybe Houston might be that team. 79 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like, you know, they've they're interested in 80 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 3: bringing them back, certainly not that kind of money. 81 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: So there certainly could be, but I don't know where 82 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: it would be. 83 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: Uh, you know, it's not going to be Philadelphia or 84 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 3: some of these other big market teams, so I don't 85 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: think so. It's not the Cubs, So I think the 86 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: teams are hearing are really the only teams involved. 87 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 4: Bob with Toronto and you mentioned the AAV, do you 88 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 4: think they'll get to a point with Tucker, because they've 89 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 4: already done a lot of things this offseason with seas 90 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 4: and Ponts and some of these other things moves that 91 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 4: they've made, right, So do they have the money and 92 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 4: would Tucker? Would they have to choose between Tucker and Bashett, 93 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 4: And obviously they prefer Tucker over Bashett because of the 94 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 4: possibility of our show and Springer leaving at the. 95 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: End of the year. 96 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's exactly what. I think They've already 97 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 3: made their choice. They want Tucker. I think Bichette's the 98 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: only chance to go back is that they don't get Tucker. 99 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: And I think Tucker wants to make a decision here 100 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: in the next few days too. 101 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: So yeah, they can certainly raise or offer I mean, 102 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: they're not going to raise it to fifty million dollars 103 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: a year, you know, you know, paying him like you 104 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 3: are one Soto, but they can certainly hit the forty 105 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: million dollar mark or eclips that barrier. And maybe that's 106 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 3: what he's waitning for, just you know, one long term 107 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: contract so you don't have to go through this, you know, 108 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 3: year a year like the other guys did with those 109 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: opt outs. 110 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 5: Talking about who ages is brought up Boba Schet cautiously 111 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 5: optimistic for the Phillies. Is that something that's you know, 112 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 5: more from the Phillies department or is this a market 113 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 5: that Boba Sheet's needing to kind of get himself out there, 114 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 5: to get the market going so that he's in a 115 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 5: place in spring training. 116 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he expected a bigger market too. Uh. 117 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: The Phillies are the ones costally optimistic. They liked the 118 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 3: zoom call that they had with him. They think that 119 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 3: he's genuinely interested and they you know, conveyed that, Hey, 120 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 3: they're generally interested in him. 121 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: It's not just to put some pressure on JT. Realmudo. Uh. 122 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 3: He's not using them to get more money from the 123 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,559 Speaker 3: Red Sox or somebody else. So I think it can happen. 124 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 3: I think he'd be great for the Phillies us to shake. 125 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: That thing up. 126 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 3: I mean, if you know, Gon bounced out early the 127 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 3: playoffs here the last couple of years with pretty much 128 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 3: the same lineup. If you don't bring him in, it's 129 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 3: pretty much the same group of guys, uh for the 130 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: most part. So I think be great for the Phillies 131 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: to grab Bischett and just really shake that thing up 132 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: give him a better chance to you know, get back 133 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 3: to the World Series. 134 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 4: Well, if that happens, does I mean Alec Bohm is gone? 135 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 4: Does I mean real Muto's gone? Can they signed Bishett 136 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 4: and real Muto JT and bring him back or would 137 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: that would they have to go and then go find 138 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 4: possibly a catcher and then trade either Stot or Bom. 139 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 4: I mean if that's why the Philly fit to a 140 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 4: lot of people is an interesting one because in Dombrowski 141 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 4: would have to possibly make other moves to make this 142 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 4: all fit together and work. 143 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't have to shake up things that are hurry. 144 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 3: I think Bone would be gone. It could be stopped, 145 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: but I think Bone would be gone to go get 146 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 3: a catcher. 147 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 4: Uh. 148 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,119 Speaker 3: You know, I was told that if they do sign 149 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: Bischett that real Moto is gone. Uh, They're not that 150 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 3: close to negotiations. I think there's been some tension there, 151 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 3: just like it was years ago. I think there's more 152 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 3: tension now. And so if they do sign bi Hit, 153 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 3: I don't think there's any way they bring him back. 154 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: You really have to drop down in his demand. 155 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: Whatever he's acting for, and I'm not sure it's in 156 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: a market for a thirty five year old catcher. 157 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: I don't know where else you would go. 158 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: Hey, make good eats at home part of your twenty 159 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: twenty six New Year's resolution. Hello Fresh is what we're 160 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: talking about. 161 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: Here, steaks, seafood, whatever options you want. They have stone 162 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 4: fruit to corn on the cops. 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So that's where it gets interesting because you know, 181 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 4: I'm sure he wants a multi year deal, but I've 182 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 4: been there and it's one year deal offers and you 183 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 4: do the best you can and try to go from there. Well, 184 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 4: there's another name on the Phillies that no one has 185 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 4: talked about, and he and a rough ending in Philadelphia, 186 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 4: and that's Castianos. Have you heard anything about his market 187 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 4: because everyone, everything you read and everything you see, everyone's like, 188 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 4: there's no way Nick Castianos is back on the Phillies. Well, 189 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 4: we haven't heard his name mentioned anywhere. Is this going 190 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 4: to be a salary dumpy kind of thing like the 191 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 4: Cardinals just did with Ronado or is there actually going 192 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 4: to be some interest to Nick Castianos for a year. 193 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a big time salary top. 194 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 3: I think they're going to have to eat the minimum 195 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 3: seventeen million to twenty if not. 196 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: You know, eighteen or nineteen. I have not heard his name. 197 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 3: I would think as we get closer to spring training, 198 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 3: I don't think the Phillies won them back in camp. 199 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 3: I think they move him. Then you know, maybe a 200 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 3: team like to say Anygo Podres or you know, someone 201 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 3: could use some outfield help. They would make sense. I mean, 202 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 3: the Potters wanted Ernando two, they just didn't want to 203 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 3: pay the eleven million dollars that the Diamonbacks paid, So 204 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: they're really in a money crunch, and I think it 205 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 3: would be a great fit. I think the real risk 206 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 3: for a team is if you bring Caslanos in, you 207 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 3: better play them every day or he's gonna be upset 208 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 3: and could cause disturbance in the clubhouse, which is what 209 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: happened in Philadelphia. 210 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 5: Let's say the Phillies do get Boba shot j t 211 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 5: Romuto is gone. According to Bob, what does that market 212 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 5: look like out there for the Phillies. I asked Ken 213 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 5: yesterday and he talked about Victor care teeny. Does Ryan 214 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 5: Jeffers say, okay, yes, that's the guy that we would want, 215 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 5: we have to go get him. Do the Phillies have 216 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 5: the pieces to go get a guy who's a starting 217 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 5: catcher because the team he's coming from needs a starting 218 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 5: catcher too. So that's my That's like where I'm like 219 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 5: it's a catching position is usually figured out by November, 220 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 5: and now we're into January and the Phillies are in 221 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 5: no man's land. 222 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got to go get another catcher. 223 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 3: It might be someone's backup or somebody who plays you know, 224 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: sixty percent in the time. 225 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: You know, a little bit like the Cub situation. Grab 226 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: you know a guy like that. 227 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 3: But you know you're gonna have to mix and match 228 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: of the catchup position, which is fine, but you better 229 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 3: You're got to get that trust from those Philadelphia pictures 230 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 3: in a hurry. 231 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you got a lot of money invests in 232 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: that rotation. They're used to real mudo. 233 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 3: That's the big danger here is now that catcher and 234 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 3: pitchers got to get to know each other in a hurry. 235 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 4: Here, Okay, well let's go. Let's go on to another 236 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 4: team that made a big move. That's the Cubs. Cubs 237 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 4: brought in Alex Pregman. Red Sox fans thought they had 238 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 4: him and he was gonna come back for sure. The 239 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 4: Cubs swoop in steal him away from the Red Sox. 240 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 4: Does this mean they're gonna have to trade Nico Horner? 241 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 4: Are they gonna run with Horner? Swansby, Dansby, Swanson and 242 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 4: Pregman in the infield, Michael Bush obviously at first, and 243 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 4: then what do you do with the Matt Shaw, who's 244 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 4: a young player show promise in the second half. They've 245 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 4: been high on him forever. Does he just slot in 246 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 4: automatically to your utility role that they've had. 247 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: I was told that. 248 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: Horner stand put. Uh, you know that they want they 249 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 3: want him there. Uh, so he's got one more year 250 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 3: to their left. I think he stays put. I think 251 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 3: Dodd Man out his Shaw. I don't think they trade him, 252 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: but I think he bounces back and forth between the 253 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: miners and uh a super childey player. Uh, he's gonna 254 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 3: have to have a great spring just like he did 255 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: a year ago to make the team and uh and 256 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 3: show he can play multiple positions. If nothing else, you'll 257 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 3: go to Iowa and just be that, you know, that 258 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 3: reserve guy, you know, break for him. But I think 259 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: that's what's going to have to happen for this next year. 260 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: But I think Horner definitely stays put. 261 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 5: Is framber Valdez's phone is it off? Like is it broken? 262 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 4: Is there? 263 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 5: We haven't heard anything? Has he been getting calls or stuff, 264 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 5: waiting for something else, the first shoe to fall, and 265 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 5: then something happens. 266 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's strange. I mean, once he's got the two ten, 267 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: you figure, Okay. 268 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 3: Valdeza's going to come in right around the same thing, 269 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 3: and you've heard nothing. I mean, it seems like you'd 270 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: be a great fit for you know, a number of teams, 271 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 3: particularly particularly the Mets. Uh, the Red Sox too, But yeah. 272 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. 273 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 3: You know how much that hurt during the season with 274 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 3: the with the incident with the catcher in Uh, you 275 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 3: know that they're prying around saying, winn now is he 276 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 3: going to fit into our clubhouse? So, uh, we'll see. 277 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm surprised. I think the biggest surprise of 278 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 3: all this whole free agency is just the starting pitching market. 279 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 3: Just how slow it is. 280 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 5: The Red Sox. You said, the Red Sox possibly on 281 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 5: frame or you know, it's always a possibility, but it's 282 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 5: starting pitching where they because they've already made the move 283 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 5: with Sonny Gray and they got I'm blanking out right 284 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 5: now anyway, the second move in Now they got Wilson Contrens, 285 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 5: but they got another starting pitcher too, Johan Oviado. That dude, 286 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 5: got your boy, I know I forgot. It's okay, It's okay, 287 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,599 Speaker 5: you forget things. Me and Bob. 288 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 2: That's his favorite picture. 289 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 5: Yes, But anyway, would they go to the starting pitching 290 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 5: market or the fact that they just missed out on 291 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 5: a bat that was a key part of their lineup, 292 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 5: So they need a bat. 293 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: In a bat but you know they could add another arm. 294 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, through eight or ninety starters anyway, 295 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 3: you know why not? But yeah, they need a bat somewhere. Uh, 296 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: you know, I know that Diamondback said, hey, we're not 297 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 3: trading get but you know what surprise anybody's screen trending 298 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 3: if the Red Sox come back and say, you know what, 299 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: we're gonna be willing to give you this we weren't 300 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: gonna give to you before, We're gonna give it to 301 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: you now. I can't believe the door is completely shut 302 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 3: on the Martete trade talks. 303 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 4: Okay, the Mets. The Mets have been roomed for Tucker 304 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 4: fifty million a year all that stuff. Bob, why are 305 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 4: they not going after more starting pitching and why will 306 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 4: they not go after some of these guys guys like 307 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 4: that that they might have to give is that just 308 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 4: David Stern saying I refuse to give a long term 309 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 4: deal to a starting pitcher because from Ravallo does I 310 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 4: think would fit nicely in that rotation, Ranger Suarez, you 311 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 4: know him, well, he's in your division for the last 312 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 4: five six years. Why would they not go out and say, hey, 313 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 4: we need to really focus on our starting pitching. Yes, 314 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 4: Kyle Tucker is nice, but we need some pitching somewhere. 315 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 316 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: I'm sure they're in on all these guys and say, Okay, 317 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 3: here's a three year or four year deal. 318 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: Who wants to take it? 319 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 3: And maybe they're gonna have to say, you know what, 320 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 3: We're just gonna weigh give. 321 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: You the opt out clauses too. 322 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 3: I think they're just betting the market not being there obviously, 323 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 3: you know, and as a materialized like those guys thought, 324 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 3: and someone's gonna have to bite. 325 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: So I think at some point we. 326 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 3: Got less than a month before fishes and catches your port, 327 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: someone's can get nervous here in sign and saying I 328 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 3: don't get to take the mess offer. 329 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: You know what's next. So I think they're just trying 330 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: to play it smart, play shrewd in the sense that 331 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: someone's gonna take our money and let's don't bid against ourselves. Uh, 332 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: they've got to get least one more pitch, if not too. 333 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 4: So that's what she thinks happening to a lot of 334 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 4: these guys as teams are just sitting back saying don't 335 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 4: panic and that. Meanwhile their agents are saying, don't panic, guys. 336 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 4: The money's there or it'll get there eventually. So which 337 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 4: one wins in the end? Is it the teams because 338 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 4: the team's not saying collusion, But we've talked to some 339 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 4: guys and they've had a lot of the same offers 340 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 4: from multiple teams. Right, So our teams just sitting back 341 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 4: and then you have every agent because I've been through this, 342 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 4: and teams you get you get to once you hit Christmas, 343 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 4: everyone says, oh, man, are you gonna sign you're not 344 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 4: playing anymore? Or are you going? The wife starts hitting 345 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 4: you up for where are we going for spring training? 346 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 4: I got to find a place to live. So are 347 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 4: the teams just counting on full panic setting in and 348 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 4: they can maybe get some deals out of this? 349 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? 350 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 3: I used to be like you said, a j full 351 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: pin up for a Christmas you know, Now it's more 352 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: towards spring training, we're seeing a lot more signings, but 353 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 3: it's a lot more important for these pictures to signally 354 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 3: because one spring training starts. You know, there's kind of, 355 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 3: you know, a track record of guys that show up late, 356 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,359 Speaker 3: aren't ready, they have poor things. You know, look at Montgomery, 357 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 3: what happened German Gunmy with the Diamondbacks, that sort of thing. 358 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 3: So I think a teams are waiting for the players 359 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: or pictures to panic and say, Okay, we don't like 360 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 3: this software. We'll take it, giving me, give me a 361 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: opt out, and I'll go hit that market again next year. 362 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: You know, it's worked for guys, but for picture it's 363 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 3: a lot more important to get to camp on time, 364 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 3: and it's a position player. 365 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 5: How much validity is it when we hear stuff about 366 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 5: the Giants looking for a second basement because there's two 367 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 5: out there on the market. Obviously, I don't think that 368 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 5: Martees going out there and you just said, Nico Horner, 369 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 5: is there a aggressiveness from the Giants to make that 370 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 5: trade to get that second baseman that they're possibly looking for? 371 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: Good? 372 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: They've got a nice farm system and uh, you know, 373 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 3: we see toads and spring training all the time. 374 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: You know, why not, why not wait and get a guy. 375 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 3: Uh, there's always guys that fall to the cracks and 376 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 3: stuff like that, injuries, So I think they you know, wait, uh, 377 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 3: you know, maybe they. I can't see the Diamax trading 378 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 3: Marta to San Francisco. I'm not being the same division. 379 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 3: But there'll be guys out there, and uh, the way 380 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 3: they always operate, at least the Giants, you know, under 381 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 3: bust or Posey is just take your time until you 382 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 3: get that right guy. 383 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: So I don't think there's an urgency to get the 384 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: guy right now. And I think you know, a Saint 385 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: Louis is aggressive. 386 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 3: They've been dealing guys, you know, why not just wait 387 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 3: to see if you know, Brendan Donovan falls in your lap. 388 00:17:58,560 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 4: But why where's the Giants fan? 389 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: Uh? 390 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 4: You know, Buster Posey, we got this, we do this 391 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 4: was their move getting Devers last year. Where is the 392 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 4: Giants been? Because the Giants are that team that's always 393 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 4: rumored to you know, oh, they're gonna get this guy, 394 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 4: and they might they're sneaky, gonna sign this guy and 395 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 4: do this. And this offseason they've been relatively quiet, especially 396 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 4: on the big name guys. 397 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the exactly is that Devers was their 398 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: big guy. 399 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 3: If they signed him during the Winner, people say, oh, 400 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 3: what a great move, sign a Domas to the big 401 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 3: time contract last year. So they've been spending some big 402 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 3: time money. Uh, you know, didn't pay off for him 403 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 3: last year. So I think there's they were always playing 404 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 3: and just do it kind of quietly that Hey, they 405 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 3: weren't going to go out and get a big time 406 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 3: free agent. They were just gonna kind of work in 407 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 3: the margins and see who falls in there. Obviously they 408 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: already have a big payroll. But yeah, they've never in 409 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: on any of these guys. Uh, you know, could they 410 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 3: be a sneaky team on Bichette, possibly, but I haven't 411 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 3: heard that at all. 412 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 4: Well, they need a second baseman, they did, there's your 413 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 4: second basement. There's another star you can add to the mix. 414 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 4: There you go, Bob, Bob said it here first man. 415 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 4: Oh shit, to the giants. There's been no links there, 416 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 4: no at. 417 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: Least at all. 418 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 4: No. 419 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean it is uh it was. You know, 420 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,719 Speaker 3: market isn't what he thinks it's gonna be. You might 421 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 3: as well throw your name of the fire and see 422 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 3: what happens. But yeah, I mean, but yeah, Philadelphia is 423 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 3: very very optimistic, or at least more than Caution is 424 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 3: optimistic now that big ship. 425 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: Could be a perfect fit for him. 426 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: I think people in Philadelphia and the front office are a 427 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 3: lot more excited about Bishett now than they were two 428 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 3: weeks ago. 429 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: Bob, are there any trade names that you feel are 430 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 2: a definite over the next few weeks to actually happen? 431 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: And we put the catel Marte trade talks to bed. 432 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like Schoogle's happening, although maybe this arbitration 433 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 2: battle kicks that up. Freddy Paralta, Brendan Donovan or anyone 434 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: else we're missing, I. 435 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: Mean Paralta Stills, I think that part's gonna be off 436 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: there at all. Spring he's not dealt before. 437 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 3: I think the mess are just waiting for someone to 438 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 3: overpay and using somebody will I he's not making money. Uh, 439 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: you know, obviously David Stearns knows sham. Do they make 440 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 3: a run for pro Alta? 441 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: Why not? Uh? 442 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 3: You know, but you kind of wonder what the what 443 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 3: the Cubs have done there. We're getting Cabrera, getting Brugman 444 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 3: Brewers fans. I think we'll go bonkers if they trade 445 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 3: away pro Alta, Like, what are we doing here? We've 446 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 3: dominated this division, we believe going to raise a white 447 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 3: flag here and not go for it again. 448 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: So I think being a hard pr sell right now 449 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: to trade Pralta, Bob, good stuff. 450 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 2: We appreciate it as always great to check back in, 451 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 2: and still a ton more to go over the next 452 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 2: few weeks. 453 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: It'll be busy. 454 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 4: We'll talk see all right. 455 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: Sounds good, Thank you guys,