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Speaker 1: Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here coming up on

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Speaker 1: this Football Friday. Of course we're talking football. We've got

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Speaker 1: a plan in place for the quarterback situation in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is now a Minnesota Viking. What does it

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Speaker 1: the world of college football, including the Big Ten asking

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Speaker 1: He's Brady Quinn. I'm Jonas Knox. No LeVar Arrington, thank

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Speaker 1: god for that. We're kidding. LaVar will be back here

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Speaker 1: away we go here. What up? Quinn?

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Speaker 2: What up? Jonas? I'm not really sure? Do you guys?

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Speaker 2: Probably do something when I'm out here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever, Try and fire him up. That's our that's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was that John Henderson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah didn't he did he go in the College Football

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Speaker 3: He was a gigantic human being. So that was I

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Speaker 3: remember we saw that clip. We asked him about it and

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Speaker 3: I said, were you ever scared like he was just

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Speaker 2: On you one day?

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Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, yeah, pretty much every time I was like,

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't have to do this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, then whatever it takes to get get you

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Speaker 1: trying to see when the move was going to be made.

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Speaker 1: It felt like a foregone conclusion. There was some rumblings

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Speaker 1: But as it turns out, what a lot of people

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Speaker 1: Murray being in Minnesota Viking and congratulations to our friends

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Speaker 1: Kfan right now, you got yourselves a brand new quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is the guy inks a one year deal

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Speaker 2: Well, he's going to have to jump to conclusions. I'm

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I will say this, he is extremely talented.

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Speaker 3: When healthy, he can change the game with his legs.

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Speaker 3: He's a capable passer within the system. I will be

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Speaker 3: curious to see how Kevin O'Connell uses them. Only because

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Speaker 3: we've talked about this before. You know, he's not gonna

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Speaker 3: What's what I'm really the most curious to seek is

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Speaker 2: A longer term deal. And that's why you sign a

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Speaker 3: The Viking aren't sure of this, or maybe Kyler Murray

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Speaker 3: That's what this is setting up for.

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Speaker 1: And I look at it from a Minnesota standpoint. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying. I'm saying in during their time,

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Speaker 3: To that point, I mean, Arizona's not viewed as one

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Speaker 2: And honestly, they were on the right path.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, once they got rid of Cliff Kingsbury, once they

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Speaker 2: Caler Murray's signing with you know, the Minnesota Vikings.

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Speaker 3: If he plays I think the way he's capable of,

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Speaker 3: I should just say this is for like a one

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Speaker 2: That draft class next year is so damn good.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna he's gonna have to go somewhere where that

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Speaker 2: So that's gonna be the issue.

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Speaker 2: So that's the only issue with the ration of this contract.

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Speaker 3: You kind of wish you could have gotten a longer

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Speaker 3: gonna work for both sides now.

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray did talk yesterday with the media in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: He spoke about his relationship with Kevin O'Connell and then

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Speaker 1: whether or not he views himself as the guy now

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Speaker 1: go back to the lead eleven days.

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Speaker 4: I remember, you know, during the combine, I did you know,

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Speaker 4: whether it was after a game, you know, things like that.

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Speaker 4: I always appreciate his opinion on me and the support

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Speaker 1: Do you view this as as you're coming in as

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Speaker 4: to be with coach O'Connell. Obviously he's had a lot

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Speaker 1: Uh Now, Kevin O'Connell has not will not name a starter.

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Speaker 2: But I look at him just say you better take every.

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Speaker 1: If ever, Yeah, the short memes and stuff that are

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Speaker 5: Right, He's a little kid walking through that there was

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Miami of Ohio not thrilled with what happened

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Speaker 1: to start the tourney there. And if you finished a

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Speaker 1: regular season undefeated, you get into the conference attorney, you

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Speaker 1: lose your first game, and so now, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: even though I don't think this is a possibility, I

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Speaker 1: don't think this is happening at all, but all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, this day lend to well, maybe maybe they're

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Speaker 1: going to be on the outside looking in. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that happens. But selection Sunday, when it comes around

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Speaker 1: in a couple of days at least, there's some sort

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Speaker 1: of an argument to be made as to why people

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Speaker 1: feel like they're not deserving. I don't know if that's

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Speaker 1: an actual real thing, because I would disagree.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, I think there's two conversations to be had,

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Speaker 3: and this is where we venture or are venturing into

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Speaker 3: the whole college football debate that occurs during their playoff

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Speaker 3: and their season.

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Speaker 2: And what's happening now in college basketball. And you heard

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Speaker 2: Bruce Pearl do this.

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Speaker 3: We talked about it, which, by the way, his son

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Speaker 3: gives the worst, the worst pregame speeches.

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Speaker 2: I digress.

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Speaker 3: If you haven't seen Bruce Pearl's son, head coach at Auburn,

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Speaker 3: give a pregame speech, yeah you've I mean, I've never

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Speaker 3: been more unimpressed with a pregame speech before in my life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean, it's just what it is.

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Speaker 3: I would say this though about Mind of Ohio, and

478
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Speaker 3: we've talked about this a little bit before. What has

479
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Speaker 3: made March Madness great or is, you know, is the

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Speaker 3: history of teams like Miam of Ohio. I mean Wally

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Speaker 3: Zurbiak back in the day when he took Mina of

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Speaker 3: Ohio on a run. You know, those are those memorable

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Speaker 3: moments that people recall and that make the tournament and

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Speaker 3: make March Madness what it is. So if you're not

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Speaker 3: going to have this team be a part of it,

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Speaker 3: you're taking away from that chance of an opportunity of

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Speaker 3: David versus Goliath be able to show everyone that they

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Speaker 3: can play with the best teams in the country. Now,

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Speaker 3: that's one side of the argument that's been the history

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Speaker 3: of the tournament. Maybe the tournament doesn't want it to

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Speaker 3: be that anymore. You know, maybe the tournament wants it

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Speaker 3: to beat the teams that actually have the best basketball players,

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Speaker 3: the most money from their collectives or their school that

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Speaker 3: they're putting into the basketball program. Maybe that's what the

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Speaker 3: tournament wants because they look at their tournament, they say,

496
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Speaker 3: we want to have actually a legitimate you know, teams

497
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Speaker 3: play off for this and not have these cinderella stories

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Speaker 3: where there may be blowout, so there may be game.

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Speaker 3: Is that our lack competitiveness. I'm not sure where they're

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Speaker 3: at with all of this, but I would say this

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Speaker 3: if my end Ohio, if you stack them up next

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Speaker 3: to some of the best teams in the country.

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Speaker 2: And this is an example of that.

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Speaker 3: Like watching that game yesterday, first off, Maya Hio had

505
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Speaker 3: no business losing. It kind of choked it away there

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Speaker 3: in the final eight minutes or so when they had

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Speaker 3: about an eight to nine point lead.

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Speaker 2: Then you mass slowly start to peck away.

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Speaker 3: But more so than that, you just like I don't

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Speaker 3: look at that mana of Ohio team, and maybe there's

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Speaker 3: some people who are fans would disagree. There's no Wally

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Speaker 3: Zurbiak on that team. There's no player on that team

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Speaker 3: that I'll look at and say he's going to go

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Speaker 3: in the NBA and have a long.

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Speaker 2: Successful career.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe one of those guys will prove

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Speaker 3: me wrong, but that's one of the biggest differences I see.

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Speaker 3: And outside of that, it is hard to acknowledge when

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Speaker 3: you do watch them and you hear everyone talk about

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Speaker 3: their strength to schedule. Yeah, I could see that. How

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Speaker 3: did this team get to thirty one and one at

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Speaker 3: this point, probably by playing a software schedule and find

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Speaker 3: a way of winning in the final moments, which is

524
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Speaker 3: what the game's all about.

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Speaker 2: But the truth of the matter is, yeah, they're probably

526
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Speaker 2: not one of the best teams, But are they deserving

527
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Speaker 2: to be the tournament?

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Speaker 3: I think so after that loss, though according to ESPN's

529
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Speaker 3: whatever saber metrics are crap they do huh. They say

530
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Speaker 3: there's like a thirty eight to thirty nine percent chance

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Speaker 3: they get in, which is disappointed to hear, but I

532
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Speaker 3: can understand if they're changing the criteria of what they're

533
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Speaker 3: looking at now.

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Speaker 1: I just the part that because when you make you know,

535
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Speaker 1: we start discussing, well, they're trying to turn this into

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Speaker 1: a college football argument, which is true, and they're trying

537
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Speaker 1: to do that. And I can understand the argument if

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Speaker 1: we're talking about just the twelve teams, like, are they

539
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Speaker 1: one of the twelve best teams in the country. No,

540
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Speaker 1: you could probably argue they're not one of the twenty

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Speaker 1: five best teams in the country, even though they're a

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Speaker 1: top twenty five ranked team. Like that, All of that

543
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Speaker 1: is fair. Nobody thinks, my, I don't even know what

544
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Speaker 1: their odds are to win the national championship. But it's

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Speaker 1: it's you know, five dollars, when's you aller jet. It's

546
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Speaker 1: not going to happen. Everybody acknowledges that. But man, in

547
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Speaker 1: a tournament where you got over sixty teams, like the

548
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Speaker 1: idea that you couldn't carve out a space for a

549
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Speaker 1: team that went thirty one and one is mind boggling

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Speaker 1: to me. And the fact that that really is on

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Speaker 1: the table at this point, and that you know, they've

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Speaker 1: got a percentage up there of you know, their odds

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Speaker 1: to get in and it's basically, you know, thirty something

554
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Speaker 1: percent that you mentioned for them to even get into

555
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Speaker 1: the tournament, that that's kind of crazy. And you know

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Speaker 1: what if they get in, and I can understand the

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Speaker 1: pushback on, well, you know, do you really want Cinderella

558
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Speaker 1: teams going that far because you want name brands? I

559
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: got news for you, and you and I have talked

560
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Speaker 1: about this for a while. It is the most difficult tournament,

561
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Speaker 1: the most unfair tournament to a higher rank seed in

562
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Speaker 1: all of sports. I don't care what playoff format you

563
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Speaker 1: want to talk about. There really is no true advantage

564
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Speaker 1: other than, hey, you get to play in your region suite.

565
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Speaker 1: But what a region that is. Look, I got news

566
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Speaker 1: for you. I grew up in southern California. They would

567
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Speaker 1: consider my region San Francisco. We were there kind of

568
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Speaker 1: a different place, kind of a different place from where

569
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Speaker 1: I grew up. So the idea that you would have

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Speaker 1: a Miami of Ohio get into the tournament and then

571
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Speaker 1: it's well, you know, if they lose the first game,

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Speaker 1: you know, it just shows that they're not deserving. Man,

573
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Speaker 1: if you get into the tournament and you're a Cinderella team,

574
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Speaker 1: but you do go on a run in that tournament

575
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Speaker 1: in that format. You deserve all the credit you get.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear anything, well, it's bad for ratings,

577
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Speaker 1: it's bad for this, Then you go do it. There's

578
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Speaker 1: been a lot of Man, you've criticized Calipari, there's been

579
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Speaker 1: a lot of one and done's awful performances by John Calipari.

580
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Speaker 1: And then you have had teams like Oakland or Vermont

581
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Speaker 1: and some of these other schools, Gonzaga, Butler or when

582
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Speaker 1: Brad Stevens did it back to back years. You've had

583
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Speaker 1: other teams go on runs. If you get into that tournament,

584
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Speaker 1: which I think they should, and they go on to

585
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: run there, I don't want to hear anybody say, well, it's,

586
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Speaker 1: you know, benefit of the doubt, they shouldn't been there.

587
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Speaker 1: If you get there and you have an opportunity and

588
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Speaker 1: you go on that run and win a tournament like that,

589
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Speaker 1: which is a giant pain in the ass to me,

590
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 1: I just think, I think you've earned your stripes. So

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Speaker 1: that's why I like the Cinderella aspect of it, and

592
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Speaker 1: I hope it continues because everybody makes somebody makes a

593
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Speaker 1: run every year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the hard thing is the bigger schools

595
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Speaker 3: and programs, and maybe some blue bloods are pushing now

596
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Speaker 3: more than ever for a like almost promotion relegation because

597
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Speaker 3: there's three hunred some teams that you got to select from,

598
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Speaker 3: and so how do you go about creating a format

599
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Speaker 3: where it makes sense and not make the tournament, you know,

600
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Speaker 3: a month and a half long. I mean, you've got

601
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Speaker 3: sixty eight teams. Now we've got pushing for how many

602
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Speaker 3: more teams? They're going past seventy two? I think it

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Speaker 3: would go to seventy six and.

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Speaker 1: Whatever it is, seventy six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they're going to add what eight more teams?

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Speaker 3: There's like and I can understand that because you've got

607
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Speaker 3: so many teams that are up for this.

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Speaker 2: I mean it is cool. It's like, you know, as

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Speaker 2: a dad.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not sure if you're doing this with Andrew

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Speaker 3: because some of the games might be on kind of

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Speaker 3: early for you guys. But I said to my girls

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Speaker 3: the other day, I was like, hey, like you you

614
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Speaker 3: remember it's March Madness. And they're like, yeah, we get

615
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Speaker 3: to fill out those brackets, like oh, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And they're like, wait, is this it right now? Are

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Speaker 2: we too late? I said, no, these are the conference tournaments.

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Speaker 3: I was like, so when my dad was young, we

619
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Speaker 3: would always try to sneak off in school to try

620
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Speaker 3: to turn on a TV and we try to watch

621
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Speaker 3: the games that were onto the conference tournaments to prepare

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Speaker 3: to pick our teams for the brackets, and just seeing

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Speaker 3: like their excitement and kind of understanding of how this works,

624
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Speaker 3: Like wait a minute, should they be in school and

625
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Speaker 3: you're trying to explain it all to them, and as

626
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Speaker 3: like a young kid, it's hard for them to understand

627
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Speaker 3: exactly how the soul works, but there is like a

628
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Speaker 3: sense of just a different feel and excitement about it.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not sure if you expanded to make it

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Speaker 3: even longer, if that would work or not, because with

631
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Speaker 3: all these conference tournaments, it's like, I mean, how long

632
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Speaker 3: are we talking about here?

633
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Speaker 2: Right?

634
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Speaker 3: Like if you go to seventy six or whatever it

635
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Speaker 3: pick your number ninety two. Who knows it probably provides

636
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Speaker 3: more inclusiveness. It probably creates more of an opportunity for

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Speaker 3: these teams where all right.

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Speaker 2: My how is not even going to be debated that

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Speaker 2: they should be in or not.

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Speaker 3: And you get the room for those blue bloods that

641
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: play a tough conference and played a tough schedule, and

642
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: they can still be a part of it too, but

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00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: you got to draw the line somewhere. And then even

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00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: more so than that, you keep watering down and diminishing

645
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Speaker 3: the conference tournaments like.

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Speaker 2: Those are eventually gonna go away.

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Speaker 3: We talked about in college football conference championship games is

648
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Speaker 3: gonna go away?

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Speaker 2: Well, if they're gonna expand the playoff in college football, yeah,

650
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Speaker 2: you're probably right.

651
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Speaker 3: And if you expand March madness in this tournament, those

652
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: conference champions are they're meaningless because all you're trying to

653
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: do is create and what an that large bid for

654
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: whoever wins that conference tournament? When and when in reality

655
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: you've got ninety some teams or seventy six teams whatever

656
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: they're gonna expand to. So I can see the argument

657
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: for both sides. Just that would make for such a

658
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Speaker 3: long season.

659
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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: By the way, to your point is well well stated,

661
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: because that really conference tournament week really was the crash

662
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Speaker 1: course to try and get ready for the tournament.

663
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, I trust me,

664
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Speaker 2: I'll think that right now.

665
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Speaker 1: It's like you're watching teams and players and games that

666
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: you would have never watched all regular season. But I

667
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: can remember, you know, Greensboro, that was the site of

668
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: the ACC Championship, the Big East Tournament, always at Madison

669
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: Square Garden. There was those places that you would watch

670
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: and you would just you would start to get familiar

671
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: with all of these teams so that at least you

672
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: had some sort of an understanding of what you were

673
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: getting when you go on. And even now, look, it

674
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: doesn't feel quite the same. It's still fun. It's still

675
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: exciting because you've got basketball on, you know early throughout

676
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: the course of the day, you can get mattin a

677
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: action and all that, and you know the Big Ten

678
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: Tourney's going on in Chicago. But yeah, back it was

679
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: really the Hey, I haven't really studied for this test.

680
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Speaker 1: Anybody got anything for me? Yeah, watch these games and

681
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: then you would just go there, you'd fill out your

682
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Speaker 1: bracket and then ultimately you just you know, end up

683
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: wiping your ass with it, you know, on day two,

684
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: Like that's that's usually that went for me. But it's a.

685
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: Hey, it's crazy that things haven't changed for you, Like,

686
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: at no.

687
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: Point in your life have you been good at or

688
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 3: picking games or whatever you want.

689
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: To call it. I will say this because I grew

690
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: up I was I rooted for Duke, you know, really

691
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: went on on a limb there. College basketball wise, I

692
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: rooted for Duke.

693
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: You might be the biggest front running fan I've ever heard.

694
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: Of my life. That's not true that a percent I

695
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: grew up a cub still cancels out everything else.

696
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't, because you also have rooted for the Celtics,

697
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: the Penguins. You're now saying Duke in college basketball, you

698
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: really didn't have a college football team.

699
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: You'd say South.

700
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 3: Carolina because you spent some time there for a little bit.

701
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: You root it for the Bears back when they won

702
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 3: an eighty five. I just outside of baseball, Hold lot,

703
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,239
Speaker 3: hold on a second. A lot of that was I

704
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: was born into. It's not like I chose.

705
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: Do you think. Do you think when the White Sox

706
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: were winning the World Series and five, I was thinking

707
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: to myself, Yeah, but f them, I'm so glad I

708
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: picked the team the other team in Chicago.

709
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: How old were you in five, I'm talking about your childhood. Well, look,

710
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: you were a child in nineteen eighty five.

711
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 1: Okay. Now, the reason I liked Duke is because I

712
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: loved Bobby Hurley and I loved and I can still

713
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: remember that you.

714
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: Took shots of Bobby Estra for you know, being Canda's

715
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Speaker 2: head coach.

716
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: He had he had an okay run. But you know,

717
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: when you were in the same state as Arizona and

718
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: Arizona basketball is what it is. Arizona State's always going

719
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: to play second fiddle to them. It just that is

720
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: what it is.

721
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, some people who are UNC fans would say

722
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: that about due.

723
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: You know, just now, come on, let's not get cared to.

724
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Speaker 3: When I was growing up, wake Forest was a bigger

725
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 3: piece of that conversation Wake Force with Chris Paul and Tim.

726
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: Duncan like that. That was a completely different.

727
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: Point also, and people forget Maryland had some really good

728
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: teams with Gary Williams back in the day.

729
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: What happened. By the way, I love buzz Buzz.

730
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: Williams is one of my favorite coaches of all time.

731
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: But I mean, he'll get a second year, I would assume.

732
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 3: But it's like, man, that was a that was a

733
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 3: rough season. Yeah, acc was sweet back in the day.

734
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: That was a really really good conference and really good

735
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 3: basketball and then you know, but but things have changed.

736
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: But the point is I was usually good at the

737
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: NCAA tournament brackets, I would just ride Duke.

738
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: The whole way and they would usually make a deep run.

739
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: But yeah, it sucks, man. That's all right, You're gonna

740
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: get it this week. I'm telling you right now.

741
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: Oh no, I.

742
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: Will finish in first place on this show when we

743
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: do our bracket challenge, and that's stuff knocks loucks.

744
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 2: All right, let's just go through the history here, folks.

745
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: I know we're up against the Lorna.

746
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: I will get to this, But in recent history, and

747
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 3: I want to say recentness, in like three years ago,

748
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: Jonas didn't even submit one half of the side of

749
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: his bracket, so he basically only filled out half the bracket,

750
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: couldn't figure out how to save it, and then unfortunately

751
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: had to sit there and talk about why he was

752
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 3: not a part of the bracket challenge because he only

753
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: filled half the bracket out. That was a network of

754
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 3: the how many years we've worked together eleven years now

755
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: a long time. Okay, of those eleven years, you have

756
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 3: not had a team that you picked to win it. Actually,

757
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 3: you have had maybe maybe two final four teams twice,

758
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: and you've never had more than fifty percent of your

759
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: team's at best make it to the sweet sixteen. Okay,

760
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: you have been by far the worst picker of March

761
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 3: madness I have ever been around.

762
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I did win the Fox Sports Radio Bracket

763
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: Challenge back in twenty fifteen, because that was a year

764
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: that Duke won. Okay, so that's a fact.

765
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 2: It's not a.

766
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: Fact, and I did have I don't think we're working

767
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: together then, so but I'm just pointing out I do

768
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: have a history of success here. It was a long

769
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: time ago, but it's almost like I'm Mike Tomlin. You

770
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: know I did win early on. You just want to

771
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: point out all the shortcomings recently, and I think that's

772
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: a negative approach. I'd also say this Brady has this

773
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: thing where he waits until my bracket is all filled out,

774
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: and then he goes in and fills out his so

775
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: he can cancel out some of my picks, all right,

776
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: so that you have the story, just.

777
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: So people understand the process.

778
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 3: You have to log on fill out a bracket before

779
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: you can actually look at anyone.

780
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: Else, and they just look at other people.

781
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: And they make it easy.

782
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: What you said is literally just lie. You just lied on.

783
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: Live, and they make it easy. Here, okay. And the

784
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: year that I forgot to fill out half the bracket,

785
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: that was a network air Okay, that was an air

786
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: a Wi Fi glitch. I had nothing to do with

787
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: the Wi Fi glitch. I had nothing to do with that. So,

788
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Speaker 1: but the fun we'll start coming up on Mondays. We

789
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: will have the the brackets and we'll be able to

790
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Speaker 1: pick and choose and run our mouths and have a

791
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Speaker 1: Cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. Brady Quinn,

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Speaker 1: Jonas Knox with you. Up next, we are going to

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Speaker 2: In case you missed it.

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Speaker 1: So, the Tennessee Titans have been struggling, not just on

823
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: the field, but the Tennessee Titans have been struggling from

824
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: a fashion and style standpoint. I've said that the Titans uniforms.

825
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: I think we actually did this. We were talking about

826
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Speaker 1: this last year, I believe, in which we were trying

827
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Speaker 1: to name which teams do you just feel like are

828
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Speaker 1: hopeless just from a look and a vibe and a feel.

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Speaker 1: And look, I know our friends listening on the zone

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Speaker 1: right now. This is not a shot at you, but

831
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Speaker 1: the jerseys and uniforms they get rolled out, they're off.

832
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: Get it.

833
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: Well, the Titans have now unveiled their new uniforms and

834
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: it's basically the old Houston oilers with a tea on

835
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: the helmet. All right, So they're part way there, all right,

836
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: they've they've they've now gone back, gone back to the

837
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Speaker 1: well no pun intended, and said, all right, we've got

838
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: to we've got to change some things up. Robert Salas there,

839
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: they did spend a lot of money. They've they have

840
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: upgraded there, Brian Dave Balls, the offensive coordinator, But the

841
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans have now updated their unis and gone back

842
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: to the old baby blue Houston oilers look with a

843
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: T on the side of the helmet.

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Speaker 2: I think it was great.

845
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Speaker 3: I mean, we're never gonna get the Houston oilerst because

846
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 3: they're not in Houston anymore. Jonas, but I do think

847
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: this is a step, you know, as far as they're

848
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: going to go in that direction. And it looks great

849
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Speaker 3: for this I how do you think? What do you

850
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: think cam Ward looks like?

851
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Speaker 1: Year two? Was he as bad as people tried to

852
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: make it out, because it doesn't know away?

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00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 3: No, And I think he was put in a really

854
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Speaker 3: tough spot because you know, they pushed him to be

855
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: in a position where he had to make up for

856
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: a lot of things around him, and so there was

857
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: some incredible plays and there are some tough rookie moments.

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Speaker 2: But I think he's going to take a big step

859
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: in year two. I think this team is gonna be

860
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Speaker 2: much improved in year two.

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Speaker 3: So the hard thing is is I both Houston and

862
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 3: Jacksonville are really good in the division, and we'll see

863
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 3: where Indy's at. They just have so much ground to

864
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Speaker 3: make up in the division that can stunt whatever that

865
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Speaker 3: growth looks like.

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Speaker 1: Now, are they another team that if this doesn't work

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Speaker 1: in year two, they're on the clock, all right, look

868
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Speaker 1: next year and and try and take swing at a QB.

869
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: Or I don't think so. I don't think so.

870
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 3: I think Cam's pretty darn good, But you never know, man,

871
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 3: especially new head coach, all new people involved.

872
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they got new unis. Congratulations, you're almost there,

873
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: they're almost there.