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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Colin Coward was very kind to join us tonight with

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Speaker 2: this time and this time. Two days ago, we were

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Speaker 2: looking at a what looked like the Indiana Pacers on

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Speaker 2: their way to potentially a sweep to go to the finals.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about trading Karl Anthony Towns. Everyone's blowing a

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Speaker 2: bunch of smoke about the Thunder and how they're the

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Speaker 2: all time great team. And now we're sitting here on

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Speaker 2: Sunday evening and both series are two to one and

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Speaker 2: very very different.

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Speaker 3: Colin.

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Speaker 2: My initial read was just simply that this is more

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Speaker 2: or less where the Eastern Conference Finals should be at

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Speaker 2: this point in that I thought the Knicks looked like

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Speaker 2: the better team in Game one and they blew it,

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Speaker 2: And I thought the Pacers looked like the better team

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Speaker 2: tonight that I thought they let their foot off the

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Speaker 2: gas in a lot of ways. The Knicks did find

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Speaker 2: some stuff, and we'll get into that, but Carl Anthony

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Speaker 2: town steals this game just like Aaron Nesmith stole Game one,

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Speaker 2: and it kind of feels like we're supposed to be

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Speaker 2: two to one Indy and here we are too one Indie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're really different. At one point, the

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Speaker 1: Pacers had a sixteen to nothing fast break points advantage.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can tell Indiana always wants to push

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Speaker 1: the pace, but tonight it was basically in the half

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Speaker 1: for most of it. He had one of these Carl

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Speaker 1: Anthony Towns games. And I think I've told you this before.

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Speaker 1: It was a weird thing. I swear to god. I

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Speaker 1: went to about six NBA games. He played in five

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Speaker 1: of them. There was this stretch in LA. Every time

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Speaker 1: in all of them. He had a quarterway he was

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Speaker 1: like his first step, for a guy his size, like

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Speaker 1: a handful for a big and I've just seen him

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Speaker 1: do stuff like this before. But I thought with Brunson

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Speaker 1: This was Brunson in Dallas, you know, like he would

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Speaker 1: things happened quickly in the NBA, and you looked up

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Speaker 1: they just felt like they were going to win the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even when it was a two or three point

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Speaker 2: game with Indy still in the league, it kind of

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Speaker 2: just felt like New York was gonna win at that point.

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Speaker 2: Basketball is such a confidence and rhythm sport that, like,

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Speaker 2: when the momentum shifts as dramatically as it does, it

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Speaker 2: can be difficult to reassert control of the situation. I mean,

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Speaker 2: very similarly that happened to New York. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: their offense bogs down. In game one, other offense bogs down.

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Speaker 2: Suddenly Aaron Ee Smith's hitting every single three he takes.

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Speaker 2: It just kind of changes the psychology of the game.

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Speaker 2: I thought things really turned around in that late third quarter.

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Speaker 2: It was so funny because stan Van Gundy goes like,

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Speaker 2: and he goes He's like, who's gonna be the guy

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Speaker 2: being deuced McBride and they went on like a seven

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Speaker 2: that first step, the Bigs all try to catch up

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Speaker 2: is the most interesting part. You mentioned it, Colin, Indy's

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Speaker 2: offense got shook. This is the first time in a

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Speaker 2: came down to is that stretch with Brunson out. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's been so fascinating, Colin, because it's different than the

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Speaker 2: Celtics series. In the Celtic series, Cat and Brunson were

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Speaker 2: asked to defend one on one, very different kind of idea.

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Speaker 2: The Celtics succumbs to their switching and they just tried

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Speaker 2: did a good job. But in this series, the job

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Speaker 2: getting back in transition defense. It's a lot of like

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Speaker 2: mental focus and energy related stuff, and those guys have

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Speaker 2: most of it, it's Deuce McBride out there, a substantially

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Speaker 2: rotation and one of the things with this Pacers team

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Speaker 2: Siakam and Halliburton can play one on one, but that's

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Speaker 2: not necessarily what they do at a superstar level, right,

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Speaker 2: And so if you rotate and you make them take

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Speaker 3: And that's what happened in this game.

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Speaker 2: They don't have a Brunson, a guy who's just an

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Speaker 2: the key if there's any hope for New York in

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Speaker 2: this series. And I still feel pretty strongly that Indiana

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's one of the reasons Indiana

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Speaker 1: they're at their best, because Turner can run, Siakam runs

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Speaker 1: the floor really well. But they got into us. Indiana

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Speaker 1: they they have like knee Smith can get hot, but

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Speaker 1: you're just watching it and you're like, oh, this is mud.

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Speaker 1: This doesn't work at all. It's and you know it's

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Speaker 1: I think the Pacers are a better team. I I

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Speaker 1: think there's certain things the Knicks need to do. I

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Speaker 1: think what happened to the Pacers tonight can happen to

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Speaker 1: the next more often where they feel a little stock

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Speaker 1: if Brunson's not hitting. And if I recall, I think

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Speaker 1: Halliburton was out for a little bit. He was out

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Speaker 1: Whereas Brunson doesn't control the pace, he controls some scoring.

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Speaker 1: just didn't. It felt clunky and it felt like they

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Speaker 1: were playing uphill. Yeah, I just this is a hard

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Speaker 3: Just give me a minute on this.

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Speaker 1: Siakam had a great block on McBride. They call it,

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Speaker 1: they call the foul in and I'm like, oh, good God,

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Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. The Bigs, I mean Turner and Cat and

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Speaker 1: h Siakam, especially Siakam and Cat. They're aggressive, offensive players

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Speaker 1: with a nice touch. There was so many calls going

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Speaker 1: this is this is They're gonna blow a gasket here.

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Speaker 1: And then I thought a couple went against the Pacers late.

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Speaker 1: I think this is a hard series to officiate. New

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Speaker 1: York's good defensive team. Indiana is an underrated defensive team.

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Speaker 1: And the Bigs move and they collide and I don't know.

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Speaker 1: As I watched this game about and I'm not a

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Speaker 1: there were a lot of calls going against the Necks

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Speaker 2: I thought, no, absolutely, That's why I wasn't upset about

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Speaker 2: the Siaka one, Like siakon block Deuce McBride clean. That

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Speaker 2: was a great defensive play, should not have been a foul.

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Speaker 2: But there were like three or four calls against against

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Speaker 1: also think and I also think when you're playing a

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00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 1: team like Okay See so much, I wonder about sometimes

432
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: Okay See is so good defensively and so swarming and

433
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: so frenetic. I do wonder if Minnesota players tend to

434
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 1: spend so much of their on court time thinking about that.

435
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: So much of playing OKAYC is deciphering their defense and

436
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: figuring out I mean, you have to really be you

437
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: have to be intentional when you play them defensively, because

438
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,959
Speaker 1: they can trap you, they can make you look bad. Fast,

439
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 1: and so I think sometimes when you play Okay, see

440
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 1: they don't play like a lot of other teams. Nobody

441
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 1: quite plays like them, and I think they can get

442
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 1: into your headspace and it's why. And then you go

443
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 1: on the road and they and now they lead by

444
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: six and SGA is getting the whistle. I do feel something,

445
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: and I don't know what the numbers say, but I

446
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: do feel like OKAC is like Indiana. I get the

447
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: same team, the same team. I got enough veterans. I

448
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: feel with Oklahoma City they're a vulnerable road team. I've

449
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: got a shot. You know, Denver. They didn't look quite

450
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: the same at Denver. Now maybe it's altitude. Now, maybe

451
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm wrong on this, and the splits don't say that,

452
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: but I do feel like it. OKAC is a vulnerable

453
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: team on the road that you can win your home

454
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 1: games against them.

455
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 2: They're three and three Collins and their defense, their offense

456
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 2: falls all the way down to a one oh four

457
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 2: offensive rating that's brutally bad, and their defense slides all

458
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: the way up to one twelve, which is pretty bad

459
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 2: for them. So you're I mean, you're not what you're

460
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 2: onto is what's really been happening with them.

461
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, A yeah, they're a different offense on the road.

462
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: They don't feel like the same team. And that doesn't

463
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: surprise us because they're young and they and they play

464
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: with huge energy at home. But when I watch them

465
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 1: on the road at Denver a couple of times, I'm like,

466
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: it just doesn't feel the same. It's a different I

467
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: honestly feel of all the teams left, I get the

468
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: exact same team with Indiana, except for six minutes tonight.

469
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I get this exact same pacer squad

470
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: home and away. They want to run if they can't,

471
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, I just, okay, see, of all the four

472
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: teams left, I feel like I get a different OKC

473
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: team home and away.

474
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 2: To your point about adjusting to okac's defense too, Like

475
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: I thought Aunt and Julius did a poor job in

476
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: the first two games of attacking their defense, Like I

477
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: call in like because Oklahoma City's defense. I don't know

478
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 2: if you like, just just stare at any possession Shay's

479
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: ignoring whoever he's guardian, just sitting in the basket. They've

480
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,719
Speaker 2: got three, four, sometimes five guys in the paint. On

481
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 2: like every single drive, They're daring Minnesota to take and

482
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 2: make corner threes in this series and in the like

483
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: when after Game one when Ant was like, I vowed

484
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: to be more aggressive, I'm like, that's not the answer.

485
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: They're like, you're gonna just drive into the teeth of

486
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,719
Speaker 2: the defense and you're gonna take bad shots.

487
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 3: And by the way, in the first half.

488
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: Of game two, you took eighteen shots and had sixteen

489
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,959
Speaker 2: points to show for it. What was kind of fascinating

490
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: about the flow of this series is to your point,

491
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: you start to get more comfortable as you adjust. Aunt

492
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: and Julius were awesome in game three, especially early at

493
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: making those corner kicks, and they were finally knocking down

494
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 2: those corner threes. They have had three games worth of

495
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: experience against Oklahoma City's base defensive scheme, and they're starting

496
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: to figure it out a little bit. Oklahoma City saw

497
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: that bad game plan for two games and then Finch

498
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: throws the appropriate game plan in game three, and they

499
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: looked like completely shell shocked by it. I mean, Colin,

500
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw in game one, Oklahoma

501
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: City only took like twenty threes. And the reason why

502
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: is because they were staying glued off the ball and

503
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: letting Shay play one on one. It's such a fundamentally

504
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: different defensive game plan that Minnesota is rocking from this

505
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 2: point forward.

506
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: Now.

507
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: To be clear, in Game four, by the way, via DraftKings,

508
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: all of our odds are from raft DraftKings. Oklahoma City

509
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 2: is a three point favorite in Game four. That feels

510
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: right to me. I think it's gonna be a close game.

511
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: They're gonna bring an intense defensive effort right away out

512
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: the gates. That's gonna test Ant and Julius's decision making again.

513
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 2: And then you're gonna see Oklahoma City because they have

514
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: seen this defense before with Denver. You're gonna see them

515
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: kind of come into the game prepared for that game plan.

516
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: That said, and this is the one thing I'd say, like,

517
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: I think Minnesota has a much better chance of beating

518
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City from this point forward than the Knicks do

519
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: with the Pacers, because what Minnesota can bring to the

520
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: table is Denver caused problems for OKC with some weak

521
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 2: defensive personnel. Minnesota's got a bunch of really good defenders

522
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 2: out there, and so if they properly execute this game plan,

523
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 2: they could potend actual they do some real damage and

524
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: as long as they ride that momentum going forward in

525
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: the series. There's also a little bit of like a

526
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: Aunt straight up can be unguardable sometimes with some of

527
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: the shots that he can make, and like he was

528
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 2: just better than Shay in Game three, and if he

529
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: can maintain that, that would be the other thing that

530
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: could swing things back towards Minnesota.

531
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Speaker 1: You know. Funny a segue back to the Knicks Pacers.

532
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 1: And I was watching the Pacers when they took that

533
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: twenty point first half lead, and they were just transition

534
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: basketball at its best. Just I mean, they score fast,

535
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, don't fall for it, Colin, don't

536
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: fall for it. Because a couple of years ago, Denver

537
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: won the title and I'm like, oh, they're going to

538
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: reel off like three and then Bruce Brown left and

539
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: then casep and they didn't. I mean, they didn't have

540
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: a great bench to begin with, and now it's a

541
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: bad bench and they become you know, Jamal Murray gets hurt.

542
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: And I've never been a huge Michael Porter fan. I've

543
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: always been I always think Aaron Gordon's underrated Porter to me,

544
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: just I think he's an odd fit and overpaid, and

545
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you look up and Denver

546
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: just looks good. And I watched Indiana, I said, and

547
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, God, I love watching them play.

548
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: But as I watch all of these teams, even Oklahoma City,

549
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: and we've just stated it, they're the one team that

550
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: you get a different version on the road, they're not

551
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: nearly as good as they are at home. Is that.

552
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: I feel like whoever wins this year will not win

553
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: the following year. And I, first of all, there's gonna

554
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: be a y honest move. KD could go to the Knicks.

555
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: They could get another basket, you know, if they moved

556
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: off Karl Anthony towns at his flakiness and just said

557
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna go get Durant. We'll let Carl go, We'll

558
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: keep Robinson. He is what he is, but we'll have

559
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 1: Durant in the game late so we can live with him.

560
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: I feel like the Pacers feel a little bit like

561
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: the Nuggets. I'm falling in love like I fell in

562
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: love with Jokic and Gordon, and I'm like, God, I

563
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: love this team. But it wasn't as sustainable. It was

564
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: very Jokic dominant, and Murray you know, He's just one

565
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: of those players that I like a lot, I don't love,

566
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 1: and I kind of feel like with Indiana, I'm falling

567
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: for it because and I'm doing this because it's like

568
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: confirmation bias. I love watching them play, and so I'm

569
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: talking myself into Indiana is great. But then I watched

570
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: them and I think to myself, no, they're not great.

571
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: What they have as a remarkable player in Halliburton, and

572
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: what Denver had is a remarkable player in Jokic, and

573
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: what Minnesota has as a remarkable player in Aunt and

574
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: Brunson's one of the great small closers in the game.

575
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: Is I think this is what the NBA is going

576
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: to be, is that everybody's going to have a great

577
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: player and a very good too. But the days of

578
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: having three guys that you can depend on, I just think, Jason,

579
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: I think it's over. I just don't think that multiple aprons.

580
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: I don't think they allow it. And so those teams

581
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: are just going to eventually get beat. They'll come in

582
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: as a favorite, they'll have it, they'll have an injury,

583
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: they'll lose a bench guy, and I it's just funny

584
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: watching Indiana tonight. I'm like, oh boy, this team, this team,

585
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: I thought, wait, put the brakes on Jesus. They can't

586
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: even get to the next tonight. What if I took

587
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: these four teams, all things considered, and I said, one

588
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: of them will win multiple titles? Are you set on Okac?

589
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So he's the only team that could theoretically

590
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: keep this kind of talent accumulated for long enough, Like

591
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: Indiana is already going to face some tough questions coming up, Like, Okay,

592
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: Miles Turner is kind of very important to the way

593
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: we play offense. Are we going to pay because Miles,

594
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: guess what Colin starting sender money in the NBA now

595
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: is like thirty million a year. Like that's like the baseline,

596
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: Like we're starting the discussion at thirty million a year.

597
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: That's what Isaiah Hartenstein got. And if I'm Miles Hard

598
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,239
Speaker 2: Miles Turner's agent, I'm going to him like thirty's the basement, Like,

599
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: so are you gonna you how are you gonna continue

600
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: to build around Nie Smith? Who, by the by the way,

601
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: Nie Smith is a dude who just stole you a

602
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: play game, who's averaging fifteen points a game in this

603
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: playoff run? Is your primary point of attack defender and

604
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: shooting forty five percent from three. That's a twenty five

605
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: million dollar player. Like Halliburton's a Supermax player. Nemhard you

606
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: could argue as a twenty million dollar player. Siakam is

607
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: a forty million dollar player.

608
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: Like.

609
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: It just gets really difficult to maintain the payrolls in

610
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: these In these situations, the thing with Oklahoma City is

611
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: they're going to run into that problem in a couple

612
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: of years. They can theoretically win this year, run it back,

613
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: win again, run it back, but it will be a

614
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: shorter window relative to previous entities like this because of

615
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: the fact that eventually they're gonna have to pay Ja Dubb.

616
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: Cason Wallace is looking a lot like a twenty five

617
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: million dollar player to me, right, Like Jeded Holmgren's a

618
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: forty million dollar player. Jadub's going to be a forty

619
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: million dollar player. Like They're all just so good that

620
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: inevitably you're gonna have to pay all these dudes, and

621
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: it's just going to become impossible to maintain the roster.

622
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: Now there's a second conversation to have as it pertains

623
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: to whether or not the league should pivot from this

624
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: structure because it penalizes smartly run NBA teams. But yeah,

625
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: on the other three teams Indiana, New York, Minnesota, there's

626
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: no chance to sustain success because of just how expensive

627
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: it is to have. Like you talk about a playoff rotation,

628
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: you want six guys you can definitely trust and probably

629
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: a seventh that you can kind of trust. And it's

630
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: like a playoff guy you can trust is a bare

631
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: minimum twenty million in the open market. So like, it's

632
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: just very difficult to find the means with which to

633
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: maintain this. And Oklahoma City will have draft picks. They

634
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: can supplement it with draft picks, but a draft pick

635
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: isn't going to be able to impact of winning at

636
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 2: a playoff level right away. And you can try trading them,

637
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: but it's just going to bring back expensive contracts. It's

638
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: just kind of the reality of the situation. I will

639
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: say with the Knicks, Colin, I think there's a lot

640
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: of interesting Kevin Durant potensial destinations. I think the Knicks

641
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: are one. I also kind of think the Pacers are one.

642
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why I like the Pacers is

643
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: like I don't think the Pacers have much of a

644
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: chance at all to beat Oklahoma City. I think it's

645
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: a horrible matchup for them. Oklahoma City has six lightning

646
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: fast guards that can chase all their guards around and

647
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: they could switch everything, and they also have im protection,

648
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: and they have all the offensive talent to be able

649
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: to score on them. I worry about the Pacers' ability

650
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: to get a bucket against a team that can keep

651
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: them in front. And they're a team like if I

652
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: had if I just had a better version of Siakam,

653
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: I all of a sudden view them as a more

654
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: substantial title threat, and so like, they're a team that

655
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: I could see like, Okay, we're a little older, Miles

656
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: Turner's kind of older. We need to make some sort

657
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: of win now, move to capitalize on this before it

658
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: gets too expensive. I could see KD being that guy

659
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: for them as well. There's a bunch of teams where

660
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: KD could immediately raise their ceiling.

661
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to I want to bring this up.

662
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: We can close on this. Because I saw this today,

663
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: it's fascinating. So a university professor in finance looked up

664
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: the value of Caitlin Clark for the WNBA. This is insane.

665
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: So this year. Last season in the WNBA, Caitlin Clark

666
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: was twenty six and a half percent of all economic

667
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: activity as a rookie on the worst team in the

668
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: league when she entered it. So now she has an

669
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: eight year, one hundred and twenty eight million dollar deal

670
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: with Nike, so you know she's she's gonna eat merchandise

671
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: in the league. Went up off a rookie from a

672
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: Midwest based school on the worst team in the league

673
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty four percent. But here was the

674
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: one that struck me so before she got there, the

675
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: Indiana Fever, the valuation of the franchise was ninety million.

676
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: Remember they play a short season, it's not like the

677
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: NBA or it lasts like six months playing what forty games.

678
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: The valuation of that team now is three hundred and

679
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: forty million dollars. She is almost that is, she has

680
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: quadrupled the value. And I was talking. I was with

681
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: a group of friends tonight at dinner and and people

682
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: that didn't know the WNBA were like asking, well, well, why,

683
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: like what does she do? And we said, well, she

684
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: makes passes and take shots that nobody else in the

685
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: sport does. So she's a bit of a. It's like

686
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: when Tiger Woods came on the tour, like he drove

687
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: it further, He's long, putting was better, he looked like

688
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: a football player in the red shirts, like he just

689
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: was different than every other golfer you grew up with,

690
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: and people like unique and different. Here, my question to

691
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: you is there's still no other Like somebody said at

692
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: the party, well, there'll be another Caitlin Clark, and I'm like, well,

693
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: there's not another Steph Curry. Like there's guys that can

694
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: shoot threes, don't I don't think it's a game you

695
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: duplicate and I listen, let's just be honest. There are

696
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: more great male athletes in the world than female athletes.

697
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: There is no second Steph Curry. There is no other

698
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: player in that plays like that. My take is she

699
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: could be a billion dollar athlete. Are you Are you

700
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: surprised by it? Like when I see these numbers, I'm like, oh,

701
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: this is Tiger and the Tour. This doesn't this isn't

702
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: even Jordan, this is totally different.

703
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: Well, I think when you look at basketball, there are

704
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: two real kind of like ultimate show type of athletes

705
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: that you see, meaning like must see television and it's

706
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: the supreme vertical athlete, which think like young Lebron or

707
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: kind of like Anthony.

708
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: Edwards Dominique for a while.

709
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, look like the guy that does stuff in

710
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 2: the air that is unlike anything you see anyone or

711
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: Jay hmmm. And then the second piece of it is

712
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: just unbelievable shot making. Those are the two things. Those

713
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: are the two things that like really bring eyes to television.

714
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 2: To take it a step further, there are two types

715
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: of basketball players that I think are far and away

716
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: the most winning impact in the current game of basketball.

717
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: It's the big, strong playmaker think Lebron, Luka Jokic, And

718
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: it's the indomitable shooter, which there's really only been Steph.

719
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 2: I think those two types of players are the players

720
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: that give you the best chances to win basketball games

721
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 2: in the modern in the modern world. Now, what makes

722
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: it fascinating to me because that's what Caitlyn Clark is.

723
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: She's a different type of player, and she can do

724
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: a lot of different types of things, but she's essentially

725
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 2: bringing a Steph Curry like basketball impact to the WNBA.

726
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: It's really this simple. If you can shoot the way

727
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: that she shoots, so the way step shoots and you

728
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: can perpetually in motion running around. Inevitably there is an

729
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: overreaction to your shooting ability. And we see this all

730
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: the time with Kaitlyn, just like you're gonna see you're

731
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: gonna see Aliah Boston get NonStop easy buckets in the

732
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: mid range or rolling to the basket, because every time

733
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 2: she sets a screen for Caitlin, her defender is stepping

734
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: up to guard Caitlin because as she comes off of

735
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: that screen, if you're not there, she's gonna shoot it

736
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: and she's gonna make it. And so there's a reaction

737
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: that invert spacing in brings a four on three because

738
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: you bring multiple defenders away from the rim, there's a

739
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: four on three with a vacated paint and because of that,

740
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: there's a lot of easy opportunities to score there. Like

741
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: that's the thing with Steph Curry, Like Steph Curry is

742
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: not the same shot maker that he was four years

743
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: ago in twenty twenty one, but just the simple threat

744
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: of him running around gives the Warriors a chance to score.

745
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. Like Caitlyn hasn't even really started

746
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 2: hitting shots yet this year, or the way that she's

747
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: capable of but everyone knows she can and they guard

748
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: her in that fashion. And so to me, it's kind

749
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: of like a proof of concept in that if you

750
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: can shoot and you can run around the way that

751
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 2: Steph does, and you can strike fear into a defense

752
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: in that way, the trickle down effects with the way

753
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: that defenses guard, you just make everything so much easier

754
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: for her. And like you could argue she's already the

755
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: best offensive engine in the WNBA and she's literally a

756
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: second year player, and like, and she still has so

757
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 2: much room to improve, Like, she still struggles with ball pressure,

758
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 2: she still turns the she turned the ball over too

759
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: much against the Liberty the other night. She still has

760
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: a little bit of an issue where she kind of

761
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: cross fires across her face, which makes it so she

762
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: can only shoot going left. She needs to build it

763
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: out so that she can shoot running to her right

764
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 2: as well. But like, judging by her psycho competitive attitude,

765
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 2: she's probably gonna figure that stuff out in the next

766
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 2: year or two and then she'll be the best player

767
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: in the league. And so like, to me, it's just

768
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: she fits the mold of one of the most impactful

769
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: types of basketball players you can be today, which is

770
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: the deadly movement shooter. If you're a deadly movement shooter,

771
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 2: it just opens up so many things for an offense.

772
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: And and honestly, I just think I think she's musty

773
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: television Colin. I've watched all four of her games, and

774
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm in my busy season, Like you think i'd be

775
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: taking a break. My wife said to me the other day,

776
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: She's like, you're watching more basketball, and like it's Katelyn Clark,

777
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: We're watching more basketball. Come over here, let's watch this.

778
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: Like she's incredible and she's not getting she doesn't know

779
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: it's get the consistent great star whistle. She I mean,

780
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: there's I think they're still kind of figuring out how

781
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: to officiate her right, like like when you're when you know,

782
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: I've said this for years when I covered Shack and

783
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: Shack got foul more than anybody I've ever seen. I mean,

784
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: it was insane. You just people bounced off Shack. Yoki

785
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: feel Yokics complains constantly like people are bouncing off me.

786
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: She doesn't quite get as favorable a whistle as you think.

787
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: So I I think.

788
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 3: Neither's Steph too. That's the funny part.

789
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: Well, and I think I will give the w NBA credit.

790
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: They they just didn't understand the tsunami ever popularity, like

791
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: they didn't get the schedule, and you don't know what

792
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: you don't know. They've done a much better job to

793
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: I mean, all her games are on television. Every time

794
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: I turn on a WA every time I see a

795
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,479
Speaker 1: promote promotion for the WNBA, it's Caitlin Clark, so they're there.

796
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: But I do think there's a process on. You know,

797
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: you're an official. You don't want to give her too

798
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: favorable a whistle because the players in the league will

799
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: resent her to some degree. She's getting all this attention

800
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: and I don't. And I will say this, I've defended

801
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: the w NBA with this. Baseball and a WNBA feel ignored.

802
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: The NFL and the NBA and college football they get

803
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: a lot of press, and baseball always feels like, hey,

804
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: we're America's pastime. So they're very insular, sometimes very provincial.

805
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: And the WNBA, similarly, you don't pay attention to us.

806
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: So there's part of it, like I get like they

807
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: sort of resent this one player. Nobody talks WNBA. They do,

808
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: and it's all her. You know, I remember when Tiger

809
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: was eighteen nineteen, twenty years old coming ont of the tour.

810
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: There were a lot of people in golf that were like,

811
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: could you guys show, could you talk in your sportscast

812
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: about anybody other than Tiger Woods? So she's not. Bryce

813
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: Harper came into baseball. He fought with an own teammate

814
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: in a dugout because it was like, Oh, everybody wants

815
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: to talk to So I do defend the WNBA. Is

816
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: that I get if nobody paid attention to you for

817
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: twenty six years and now they do, and they feign

818
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: interested in the rest of the league what we all

819
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: care about Caitlyn. So the animosity built up by players,

820
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: I give it a little bit of a pass.

821
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: You know.

822
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: I think that people are spending too much time on race.

823
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: You know, it is what it is. There's a million platforms,

824
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: a million opinions, but I don't know. My take is

825
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: there's still in the adjustment period with Caitlin. How to market,

826
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: how to promote, how to officiate, how to defend, And

827
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: it's just fluid. That's what it feels like to me.

828
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 2: I think that like when I see the complaining, like

829
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: I saw some players complain and some some members of

830
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 2: the media complain that she was on TV so much,

831
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: and let's just take us out, take fairness and just

832
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: put it to the side for a minute, like even

833
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: with Nike and giving Caitlin a shoot like set that

834
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: aside for a minute and just focus on her being

835
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 2: on television. Okay, her being on television brought my eyes

836
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: to it. I didn't watch the WNBA. I have grown

837
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: to really enjoy watching WNBA basketball even when she's not

838
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: on and they're like the Nafisa Collier became one of

839
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: my favorite basketball players watching her in the finals run

840
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: last year. And what brought me to the television was Caitlyn.

841
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 2: So like, let's say that the league came out there

842
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 2: like every Caitlyn Clark games on national television, like that's

843
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: just what we're gonna do.

844
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 3: Deal with it.

845
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: That would be genius because the best way you can

846
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: market the other WNBA players is to have them play

847
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: against Caitlin Clark because we'll all be watching. Okay, well,

848
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 2: no one's covering the rest of the league. Okay, but

849
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: if you put Haitln on television and you get more

850
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: people to watch, it will create more WNBA fans, and

851
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 2: we live in the most colin I started making NBA

852
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: content out of my guest bedroom. Okay, you create a

853
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: bunch of WNBA fans, passionate members of the media will

854
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 2: originate from that mass and will cover the league better,

855
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: and overall the league will gain in popularity and gain

856
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Speaker 2: and impact, and it will become a momentous thing that

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Speaker 2: carries forward and actually does shine a big flashlight on

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Speaker 2: the rest of the WNBA. Haitlan Clark is the vehicle

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Speaker 2: with which to microwave that, to accelerate it, and to

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Speaker 2: move it into a fast track towards what could be

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Speaker 2: a bright future for the WNBA. It's great basketball. It's

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Speaker 2: genuinely great basketball. She's the best vehicle with which to

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Speaker 2: elevate the sport. I think anything they can do to

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Speaker 2: put her on TV and promote her is the best

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Speaker 2: thing they could do for the sport.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Connor McGregor UFC. You know, you knew it existed.

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Speaker 1: You'd seen fights. You start buying pay per view cards

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Speaker 1: and sitting through two and a half hours to get

869
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Speaker 1: to his fight, and then all of a sudden, you

870
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Speaker 1: found yourself a year later hooked on two other fighters.

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Speaker 1: Because Dana White would put the second most popular fighter

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Speaker 1: in the undercards, So all of a sudden, it's John

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Speaker 1: Jones into Connor McGregor and then they So it's just

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Speaker 1: basic marketing. And I've said before, I do think the

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Speaker 1: WNBA women's basketball, and I'd said this years ago in

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Speaker 1: FS one, probably five years ago, the sport was getting better.

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Speaker 1: The women were, you know, several generations of women were

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Speaker 1: encouraged to play basketball and to be athletes, and nutritionists

879
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Speaker 1: came into the sport and better trainers. There was money

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Speaker 1: in the league, so they had better training and the

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Speaker 1: players were getting better. But it takes this, Listen, it

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Speaker 1: took Magic and Bird in the NBA to take a

883
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Speaker 1: league that there were some financial problems. So it's not

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Speaker 1: like a gender issue, it's a I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: Connor McGregor's erosion as a fighter has heard UFC. It

886
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Speaker 1: doesn't feel as urgent. And that's and that's already established.

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Speaker 1: And so and we all know that Michael Jordan left.

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00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: Once Magic Bird and Michael had driven the league up,

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Speaker 1: Michael left, the ratings dropped fifty percent. So this stuff

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Speaker 1: outside of the NFL, it's all cyclical, it's all market based,

891
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Speaker 1: it's all star based and it's just the WNBA, you know,

892
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Speaker 1: was waiting for its first Tiger, and golf's probably had

893
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Speaker 1: four in my life, you know, Jack Nicholson, Arnold Palmer, Tiger.

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Speaker 1: I think Rory's got a little bit of it, Phil Mickelson.

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Speaker 1: So the history of golf, you know, if you modern

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Speaker 1: history is felt like five guys that have done it.

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Speaker 1: So there's no reason to be defensive about it. It

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Speaker 1: just it's all these leagues. They all eventually, I mean,

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Speaker 1: look at boxing. Allie took it from whatever it was

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Speaker 1: to the next level. Then there were Sugar, Ray Leonard

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Speaker 1: and Hagler. But when Larry Holmes arrived, nobody wanted to

902
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 1: watch Larry Holmes. That took an old George Forman selling

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Speaker 1: a grill that you bake chicken on or cook chicken

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Speaker 1: on to I mean literally to get the casual back

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Speaker 1: into boxing. Was George Foreman's second tour. So this is

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Speaker 1: the way sports works outside of football.

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Speaker 2: The cyclical thing is so fascinating because that's literally what

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Speaker 2: the NBA is about to go through. Lebron and Steph

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00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: won eight titles in eleven years and now there's not

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Speaker 2: really a big name yet. Now you could argue that

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00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: the parody might prevent the rise of a star, and

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Speaker 2: that's a separate conversation for another day, but it is

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Speaker 2: really fascinating. We're in one of those cycles right now

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Speaker 2: with the NBA. The old guard's going out and there's

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Speaker 2: a new guard coming up. But Colin, I sincerely appreciate

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Speaker 2: you give it us your time tonight. This has been

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Speaker 2: a super fun playoff runt. I'm sure we'll be talking

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Speaker 2: in about a week or so. Again, everyone, thank you

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Speaker 2: guys so much for supporting the show. No playback tonight,

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Speaker 2: just a heads up. We'll be back with that tomorrow night,

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Speaker 2: and then I'll be live on YouTube after the final

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Speaker 2: buzzer of Game four of what should be an incredible

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Speaker 2: Western Conference Finals game tomorrow night.

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Speaker 3: I will see you guys then. What's up guys?

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Speaker 2: As always, I appreciate you for listening to and supporting

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Speaker 2: OOPS tonight. Actually be really helpful for us if you

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Speaker 2: guys would take a second and leave a rating and

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