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Speaker 1: Hey, what I'll welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb and this

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Speaker 1: is all all basketball, all the time, but we really

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Speaker 1: tell personal stories. Dick sweets. Guest is Langston Galloway of

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Speaker 1: the Detroit Pistons. If you download and listen to this

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Speaker 1: entire pod, don't forget to subscribe and rate. You'll learn

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Speaker 1: where Langston Galloway was when he was called up to

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Speaker 1: the Knicks from the Westchester Knicks. Pretty cool story what

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Speaker 1: second game was in the Garden against the Rockets and

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Speaker 1: he did pretty well. Plus the feelings of signing a

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Speaker 1: three year guaranteed contract for over twenty million dollars with

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Speaker 1: the Detroit Pistons. We go into his background growing up

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Speaker 1: and against growing up. Lots of good stuff. You can't

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Speaker 1: wait to for you to hear my interview with Langston Galloway.

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Speaker 1: Let me start with the bubble and um, look what

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Speaker 1: Paul George said is a real thing, not just because

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Speaker 1: pod before, which is it's not really natural to be

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Speaker 1: in a hotel for two months, not just if you're

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Speaker 1: an NBA superstar, for anybody. Have you ever been stuck

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Speaker 1: there's there's a moment there where it's really cool. You're like, man,

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Speaker 1: And you can say these are first world problems, but

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Speaker 1: you have to also factor in that whatever your normal

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Speaker 1: life is like, especially in the summer, Hey, man, I

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Speaker 1: like to go fishing. I like to go on vacations. Like,

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Speaker 1: now you're in this enclosed environment. You're still dealing with

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Speaker 1: COVID and all the testing and everyone else going through

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Speaker 1: the stresses of the playoffs, and you're kind of sequestered. However,

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Speaker 1: nice the resort is still just did the resort. It

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Speaker 1: does become groundhog Day. I believe that Paul Georgia is

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Speaker 1: suffering from some form of kind of COVID induced depression,

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Speaker 1: other night and it was amazing to see. And while

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Speaker 1: Charles Barkley can say like, hey, there's a first world problems,

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Speaker 1: he's right, but they're real problems, real problems. If you

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Speaker 1: now you're like, man, get up off the couch, stop

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Speaker 1: why I can't be had to maintain sotal distancing, Like

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Speaker 1: you can go you know, swim, you can do all

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Speaker 1: And even after quarantine, there's still kind of some some

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Speaker 1: after effects. And I also think that that's part of

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Speaker 1: NBA players based on what's happening in Kenosha. Look, I

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Speaker 1: I respect you're right to not just protests, but protest peacefully.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're supposed to do. Let your stance be known.

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Speaker 1: But at some point we do one have to get

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Speaker 1: reasonable solution for anybody's business that you can sit here

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Speaker 1: power to cancel the season. But the TV rights holders

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Speaker 1: other hand, we're operating a business and we're already losing

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Speaker 1: money and we're hoping to recoup some of it with

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Speaker 1: playoff money. If you choose to bail now, it's not

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Speaker 1: you're professional basketball player. This is part of professionalism, so

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Speaker 1: get to some solutions as we would all I hope

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Speaker 1: agree that there's a problem. Be sure to catch the

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Speaker 1: live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three

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Speaker 1: p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and

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Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio a app. Well, let's welcome him

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Speaker 1: into the Detroit Pistons. He's Lankston Galloway. He's kind enough

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to the beginnings of you know,

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Speaker 1: And I remember we had a meeting the next day. Um,

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00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: and so so okay, so you lose, you lose by

428
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Speaker 1: thirty but you lose by thirty one. Okay, I sorry,

429
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: I got a point and you lost and you lost

430
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,719
Speaker 1: the Temple the game before. You're four and four at

431
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: the time. This is like December, It's right, you got

432
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 1: like two games, be four Christmas break. You had Drexel

433
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: coming in the next game. So you called the meeting.

434
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: The coach called me. You called me, like who called

435
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: the meeting? So so so we we UM. It was

436
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 1: basically like a team just to just to catch up

437
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: and just say, hey, look what do we want to

438
00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: do going forward? Um? And I remember vividly like coach

439
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 1: not yelling not doing anything, but you're saying, hey, look

440
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: it's in you see you're seeing your court. What do

441
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 1: y'all want to do? Do y'all want to fold over

442
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: and just say, hey, look we had we had a

443
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 1: heck of a run, and then our careers and St.

444
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: Joe's and the want to you know, turn this around

445
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: and really make this into a heck of a year.

446
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: And remember that day finished up that day. The next day,

447
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: meet Ronald and he little all went to I took

448
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: him out, We went to lunch. We all laid everything

449
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: on the on the table and say, hey, look what

450
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: do we want to do. What do we want to accomplished?

451
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, everybody wants to

452
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: go to go professional, but like, hey, we we gotta

453
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: do it a collective group. And I'm telling you what

454
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: with that meeting and the meeting before that, like literally

455
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: everything turned around, Our season turned around. We started having fun,

456
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: and I mean the rest is history. It really was

457
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: that game right there, like you've blown out on national

458
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: TV at home coach yelling and screaming like it just

459
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: it was just it was a culmination of everything built

460
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: up that Hey, look we needed that wake up call

461
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: to to say, hey, look we need to get going.

462
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: And I'm telling that that took everybody's career took off

463
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: from there. Um, you guys get to the n c

464
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: A tournament and you Drew Yukon. What do you remember

465
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: about the game? I mean, my only memory was, which

466
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: is so crazy, it's me missing the thing. Regulation that's

467
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: the only remember I remember the whole game. But that

468
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: was my biggest thing. Was like I missed the shot

469
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: to win it. Uh it was it might have been

470
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: like five second left. I had to boil my hands,

471
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: tried to go um right baseline, and I thought I

472
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: had like an angle to bank it off the glass

473
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: and literally like I might have just barely like moved

474
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: my finger on the ball, and I remember just hitting

475
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: the side of the backboard and bouncing back to me.

476
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: Shot cut goes off. Um, there's like two seconds left.

477
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: I'm like sick because I'm like, man, that was my

478
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: chance to win the game, like take us to the

479
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: next round. I'm having a heck of a game and

480
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: I think I end to finish the game with like

481
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 1: twenty some points. Um, but like I just that's the

482
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: only remember I can remember. Like man, I like I

483
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: feel like I left the whole team down, Like I

484
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: feel like I let uh just st Joe's down. That

485
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: that was crazy. Yes, that was probably one of my

486
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying it's the most like regrettable moment

487
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: I've ever had, but it kind of is. Though. It's

488
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: interesting though, like, right, you make that shot, you kind

489
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: of loses. They you missed that shot, they win in overtime,

490
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: they win a national championship, Like that's how you know who?

491
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: Who knows how history changes on that one shot And

492
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy. The part that sticks out to me

493
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: in listening to you talk about it, and I've I've

494
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: talked to Phil. There's two things actually, First is and

495
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: this is his coaching philosophy. You know, I I was

496
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: for a couple of coaching jobs and I said, he's

497
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: I said, what, Phil, what should I do? Like, what

498
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: should be my game plan if I get one of

499
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: these jobs? And he said, look, whatever you do, spend

500
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: time every day having your guys play one on one

501
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: haven't played, especially in the off season. He goes, you're

502
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: gonna come in, you can take a job, and you're

503
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: gonna want to show everybody how great your offense is,

504
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: how smart you are. He's like, but you know what,

505
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: Like you got plenty of time for that. You wear

506
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: guys out with that end of the day, you win

507
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: to lose games based upon your best player having a chance,

508
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: having the ball and making a shot. And the more

509
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: he does it, the greater a chance. And it's an

510
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: investment in the kid because the kid realizes that it's

511
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: gonna help him take the big shot, but it's also

512
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: gonna help him to get to the next level in

513
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: that end of the day, all things being equal, if

514
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: you can get your own shot, take and make your

515
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: own shot in a big in a big situation, you're

516
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: more valuable than the next guy. I thought that was brilliant.

517
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: I also thought that was a you know because you

518
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: you did get open. It wasn't a bad shot, he

519
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: just missed it right. I thought that was like his

520
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: coaching philosophy coming to bear. Is that is that accurate?

521
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: For in the off season he would have you guys

522
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: play one on one a lot. You know what, he

523
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: never he never told us say hey, look, let's go

524
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: play one on one. It was more just just that's

525
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: just doing on our own. And that's why I loved

526
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: about coach. He's like he never liked, hey, look this

527
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: is Manda Coorey. We're gonna play one on one today.

528
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,959
Speaker 1: It was just like what I want to do when

529
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: we're like we'll play one on one, We'll we'll play

530
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: like that's what it is. That's that's basketball. And if

531
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: you if you're not competitive enough to say, hey, look

532
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: this is what I want to do every single day,

533
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: like that's that's what I love to do, Like you're

534
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: in the wrong sport. So that's why I like, I

535
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved every single moment of just like

536
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: everybody on my team was always I was always a

537
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: small not saying I was the smallest guy, but I

538
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: was one of the smallest guys on my team. So

539
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: I had to compete against guys six seven and above

540
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: every single day like they guarding me, I'm guarding them.

541
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: Like it just it just it is what it is

542
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: and and and that's what uh. I think it made

543
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: me into a better player because I had to learn

544
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: how to score over bigger guys and so two, um,

545
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: it really it really shows the cream rides to the top.

546
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: It shows who who the who the top dog is.

547
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: Did you watch the rest of the n C term like,

548
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: did you even watch you can beat Kentucky for the

549
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: national Championship. I watched. I didn't watch over the game

550
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: like the the games. I just watched the highlights because

551
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: I was just so upset, like that should be me. Yeah,

552
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: Like and I like I saw that win one game

553
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, well, we would have played

554
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: no over like they beating over man. Then they go

555
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: ahead and I think they would they played Michigan State

556
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: and and somebody else and I would say that something

557
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: like that, and they beat down. But I'm like, god, like,

558
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: now they're going to the frontald Fola like he had

559
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: this team beat and they're like dominating team and then

560
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: and then they're going to beat what Kentucky in Wisconsin

561
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: something like that or whoever it was. And I'm just

562
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: like I can't I can't even think who the CHAMPI

563
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: who was in the champions game. No, they beat Kentucky

564
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: in the championship game. They beat in the semifinal, they

565
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: beat Florida. They beat Florida, Florida. That's right, Florida. And

566
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm just like, man, like, we would have had a

567
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: chance to make the championship like and that, And I

568
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: was stuck in my head, like the whole predraft and

569
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: like I remember seeing uh Man, I can't think anything.

570
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: What was the do you remember the shooter's name? He was?

571
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: He was? He was he was a foreign shooter on

572
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: that team. Yeah, what's his name from Neil's uh Neil's

573
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: gefi or whatever? Right? He was he was. He was

574
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: on the on the um. He came to the Portsmouth

575
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: camp with me. He is only they invite the top

576
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: I want to say, sixty kids, that seniors and um,

577
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: and he's there and I'm like looking at him, and

578
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, we would have we should have beat y'all,

579
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: like like like individually like we would have beat them,

580
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: but like as a collective group. They had a heck

581
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: of a group because they had it was all spread around.

582
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: Had they had shot blockers, they had scores, they had facilitated.

583
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: I mean that their team was well rounded and we

584
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: were just I mean we were just a small uh

585
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: med and major school just trying to make some noise.

586
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: And I mean just I feel like, just you know,

587
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: one one one having met over, I would have banked

588
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: it in and we would have won that game. But hey,

589
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess life wants his way out and

590
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: then look, I'm seven seven years in the NBA and

591
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: everything else is is history, you know. Assentially, you, I

592
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: think you had more pros than they did write you

593
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: and you and Deandre's you know, and they only had

594
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: when they were proved. Yeah, and you've had a better

595
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: broker than than than sbas has Um. The part that

596
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: jumps out to me is and I feel this way

597
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: about my school, but I didn't make the n b A,

598
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, I played overseas. Is that I feel like

599
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: I feel like we we do this thing in the

600
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: media where we we make college basketball only about being

601
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: a kind of stopping point on the way to the

602
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: n b A, and we don't realize all the other

603
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: things that guys get out of it. And to me,

604
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: it's this, there is this aspect of playing for Like

605
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: you said, when you missed that shot, it wasn't that

606
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: you felt like you let you down, you let your coach,

607
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: your teammates, your school, like Saint Joe like it. It's

608
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: a real thing that you're a part of something kind

609
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: of bigger than yourself. And I could be wrong. Again,

610
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: I've never played in the NBA, and I do think

611
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: that at the end of the when you get to

612
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: the end of the championship, if you're in the finals, like, yeah,

613
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: there there is And especially now, guys in the bubble,

614
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: there's probably much better team chemistry than normally, but it's

615
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: not the same. Like, having played now seven years in

616
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: the NBA, is there anything close to the feeling of

617
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: being a part of a team like it was in college.

618
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: You won't get the same. I guess you say, like

619
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: just I won't say naive, but I'll say like just

620
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: blind to the fact of just saying, hey, look, it's

621
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: it's pure. Basketball is pure when it when it's when

622
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: it's not about money, um. And when you get to

623
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: the professional ranks, um, when money is involved and a

624
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: lot of like ego and a lot of a lot

625
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: of other things that involved that kind of changes things. Um.

626
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: But I will say there's a few teams that I've

627
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: seen in the bubble that I can tell that they

628
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: they don't egos out the window and they're just out

629
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: there playing, Like Toronto for example, they have to just

630
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: playing like it doesn't matter who's a free agent, Like

631
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: like Van Fleet is a free agent and he doesn't

632
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: even care, like he just had They're playing having a

633
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: good time. But he's playing well. But like at the

634
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: same time too, he's just had there playing. I mean,

635
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's other guys on the team that are

636
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: free agents, but it's like he's one of the guys

637
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: that stands out. Um, another team is is okay, see

638
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: that they're playing well, but it's like the Rockets are

639
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: just a better team and they're partner, you know, the Rockets.

640
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: They're gonna keep balance between the two because both all

641
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: want to win. But it's like, let's let's see, let's

642
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: see what tonight. Holes. But it's just like those are

643
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: the instances where when you have a team just playing

644
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: and not thinking out there, they're they're dangerous. They're dangerous

645
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: and and that's when you can kind of see upsets

646
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: and whatnot in the NBA ranks. But for the most part,

647
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: when when I said, when the money and and and

648
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: egos and all that become a factor, like I've seen

649
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: tons of teams that I've been on that that that

650
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: came in the factor. And we we we struggled. We

651
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: struggled throughout the year. Like guys get to free agency

652
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: break or I mean, like uh uh, All Star break

653
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: and guy's only thinking about, well, am I ready to

654
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: get traded? Um? Am I having a good enough year

655
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: where I need to fit out? You know, I need

656
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: some Some guys say, hey, look, I'm trying how to

657
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: get injuried, So let me just ease my way through it.

658
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: Like it's it's a lot of different lot of factor

659
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: a lot offer factors. When did you I mean, I'm

660
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: sure always been a shoe guy, but what what was

661
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: the what was the first kind of creative shoe do

662
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: you decide to wear? Um? My first creative shoe? I

663
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: probably would go all way back to when I was

664
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: like I probably was like thirteen fourteen, um, And I

665
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: and my dad would always bet me. It was like,

666
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: if you always you win a championship or something like that,

667
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: he'll buy me a brand new pair of shoes, which

668
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: was a basketball shoe. And that's all I all that

669
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: we I would get for a whole year. I won't

670
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: have one pair of shoes for the whole season. Um.

671
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: And so every year I would win something alone along

672
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: the way, or win some award or something, and he

673
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: would always say, hey, look, you get to get a

674
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: chance to pick whatever you want. And I would always

675
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: go on nike yat D or if we want to

676
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: beat this team, I was going to beat this and

677
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: I would customize a pair of shoes like the night

678
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: yat D or at Theaters at D and then say, hey,

679
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: look it's my shoe. I have to wait what three

680
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: to six weeks till it came in. Once he came in,

681
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, I'm rocking this for the

682
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: rest of the year. And so that's probably my first

683
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: inclination of like all I like customers and shoes. It's

684
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: different and you get to put your own spell on it,

685
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: and so that's that's that was probably like my biggest

686
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: I just go as a kid, is like hey, look,

687
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: how can I be different than everybody else? Because everybody

688
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: else was going to wear the same pit of sues?

689
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: But how can I be different? Yeah, so you go undrafted? Um,

690
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: how did you come to pick the nets for summer? Like,

691
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: I mean the Knicks? Excuse me for summer? Like? Um,

692
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: me and my agent we we had a long conversation,

693
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: um going undrafted. We knew it was a possibility that

694
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: probably was gonna happen, just because I played four years.

695
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: And that's that's I guess you said that the new

696
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: Morales like, hey, look you senior, you two them. And

697
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: so we looked at all the teams we came down to,

698
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: like it was like a couple of teams that I

699
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: had a choice between, and we thought that, hey, the

700
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: Knicks probably had the best chance of me possibly sneaking

701
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: in the roster. Um. And you know, as a as

702
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: a as an undrafted guy, I'm just trying to get

703
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: a chance to show myself, show myself as a brand

704
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: new coach coming in and had we had Derrick Fisher

705
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: coming in, brand new regime coming in film um um,

706
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: uh what I'm going to blank um, Phil feels um

707
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: the president um. And so I'm like, all right, well

708
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: this might be a chance for me to kind uh

709
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: learned about this try and go offense as well as

710
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: um get my name out there. And so uh, I

711
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: realn't really wasn't worried about like like just I wasn't nervous.

712
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: I would say that I wasn't nervous. I just was

713
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: out there just playing, just having a good time. And

714
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean it's just the same thing that we just

715
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: talked about, like one on one, Like I'm out there

716
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: playing one day, I'm Jr. The next day, Chump the

717
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: next day. I'm playing Mellow Like every single day was

718
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: a competition for me because I'm playing against dudes and

719
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: I grew up watching like I'm watching them on TV.

720
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: Like now I'm getting a chance to play against them.

721
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, I'm trying to trying to bust that,

722
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: bust them up. But I don't want them to bust

723
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: me up. I want to I want to go out

724
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: there and showcase they look, I'm here, I'm here, and

725
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: I want to showcase that I want to stay. And

726
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: so as like the preseason and all that kind of

727
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: went on, and then we got into me playing with

728
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: them in some of the league. I was like, hey, look,

729
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: this might be the great opportunity for me to go

730
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: out there play against some other older guys in some

731
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: league and then see where I'm at from there. And

732
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: Chips Falling played play roll play well, I'm in the

733
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: first game. I was absolutely nervous in Summer League, and

734
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: then my second game played really well, and then and

735
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: then only I just I never looked back. So you

736
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: you get done with Summer League. Um, but you know

737
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: when you play in Summer League, you're not necessarily under

738
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: contract with the Knicks or to play for for the

739
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: west Chester team you get done, how long was the

740
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: process before you decided to sign with the Knicks and

741
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: play for west Chester. So I remember getting cut or like, uh,

742
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: I think it was like a Friday maybe now you

743
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: know what I think it was a Monday that waved

744
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: on a Monday, um from the roster. One of my

745
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: other good friends, he ended up making the roster album.

746
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: I didn't make it. I was. I was the last

747
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: two last two cut. So it was it was only

748
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: two of us left and I was the one to

749
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: get cut. And so I would from They're getting cut

750
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: to having a week off to figure out if I

751
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: wanted to go play overseas or did I want to

752
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: be an affiliate player for the Westchester next which was

753
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: a brand new team that was just getting started. And

754
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: so my whole thing was I can go out and

755
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: chase the money and play overseas and that be it,

756
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: or I can stay. I wasn't married at the time, uh,

757
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: didn't have a kid at the time. I just was

758
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: out there just ready to play. And so that's why

759
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: I was like, well, let me just stay here in

760
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: the United States and see what I can kind of

761
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: draw up and just play, and so uh get an

762
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: opportunity to go to the G League won't really good

763
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 1: times now and really work on my skills. It really

764
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: helped helped me out in the long run because I

765
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: was able to work on not just like my shooting

766
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: anything like that, but like my ball handling, my defense. Uh,

767
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: my work ethic really changed because I had a lot

768
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: of guys around me that we're working hard, so I

769
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: had to work even harder. So it really it really

770
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: helped me along the way because mentally I wasn't ready,

771
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: but it got me ready. They got me ready, that's

772
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: for sure. Um, so when did you get the call? When?

773
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: What was what was the call up for the ten day?

774
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: What was that like? So the ten day January seven, Um,

775
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm actually sitting in the room with my roommate Orlando

776
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: Sanchez and we're actually playing video games and uh, what game?

777
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, what game? What game were you playing? I

778
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: think we're playing two K. I think we're playing to

779
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: We had just uh, I think we had just had

780
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: done with practice and and and and the league. The

781
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: week leading up into it, like everybody was like early

782
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: on my mind, like man, I'm telling you called when

783
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: we called up. I'm just like, man, January seven comes.

784
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: If I get called up, I get called up. Jame

785
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: was seven hits. Nothing goes on the whole like afternoon.

786
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: I'm just you know what, the practice came back home,

787
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: relaxed at this point. Next you know, like we're playing

788
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: two k get a call upon answered is Alan Houston.

789
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: I just gonna let you know the Knicks are gonna

790
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: call you up and you're gonna be the first ever

791
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: call up for the for the What'shuster Knicks going to

792
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: the Knicks And I was like wow, like so what's next?

793
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: And He's like, well, look you whether, I'm gonna send

794
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: you a car and she'll be waiting outside for you

795
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: in the next five minutes. You get in the car

796
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: and had to hit the pen station downtown and then

797
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: hit on the DC because you gotta play uh Washington

798
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: Wizards tomorrow. And I was like, oh, shoot, like I

799
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: gotta go right now, like it's time to play. And

800
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: remember I didn't get into about like two three in

801
00:41:55,080 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: the morning. Tired this can be, but it's hey, look

802
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: my dream, my dream is here. I can't I can't

803
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: be tired now. So I literally was ready to go.

804
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: I just mentally exhausted, but I was just like, I

805
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: don't have no time to rest. Now I got I

806
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta really take my game to all. I

807
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: love to get where I need to be at it

808
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: to make sure I stay here for these These are

809
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: the first ten days in contract. So the next day,

810
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: you did you have shoot around the day of the

811
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: game or or it is just you show up at

812
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: the game. No, no, yeah, so we have shoot around

813
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: the next day. Um, we go down to the arena,

814
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: we shoot around. Um, then we leave shoot around hit

815
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: by Hotel. Uh, we have team Meal go from Team

816
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: mel Go said, take a little nap, and then I'm all,

817
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: I'm it's so crazy because my routine back then was

818
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: always riding on the first bus, getting there early to

819
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: get my shots up and getting ready for the game.

820
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: And it's still is the same today, Like I haven't

821
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: changed that where I'm always want to be the first

822
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: one on the court, first one to work out, get

823
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 1: my sweat and get ready to play. And so back

824
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: then it was mandatory I had to be the first

825
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: one in the court because if not everybody else had that,

826
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: times already slided out, especially because I'm just getting onto

827
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: the team. Everybody else is already ready to go. So

828
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: we get to arena early. I work out feeling great. Um,

829
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: you know, everybody everybody around me was like really encouraging.

830
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: It was like, hey, look look this this shop opportunity. Man,

831
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: go out think get it. Man. We look, we know

832
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: what you can do. Just go do it. Coach Fisher

833
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: he's the same way. Hey look, young fellow, just to relax.

834
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: But I didn't have some fun to night and I'm

835
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: all right, cool cool, and yeah I was. That was

836
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: That was That was one of what what's that like

837
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: the first time you're you're sitting down there, you're sitting

838
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: down there, you're on the bench in Washington and you

839
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: played a bunch and you know you're ill get your

840
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: second Yeah, nineteen, your second game against Houston, your first

841
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: game you're playing against the Wizards. I mean, what's that

842
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: feeling like to where Fish comes down and points to

843
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: you and says you're in Like, that's got to be

844
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: a bit of a big moment. Yeah, And I can

845
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: remember that that moment vividly. It's like I was just

846
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: sitting there. Because I was sitting I was right close

847
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: to the top of the bench. I was talking to

848
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: one of other assistant coaches because he was telling me,

849
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: like making sure I knew the plays and making sure

850
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: I knew everything. But the triyan goes pretty simple. I mean,

851
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: it's not simple in the stance of you have to

852
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: mentally understand where to go when you know if someone's

853
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: taking away, you gotta go to the opposite way. So

854
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: it's all based upon where the ball the ball, But

855
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: they're set movement based upon where the ball is and

856
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: where you know where the two pass goes for the

857
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: three pass goes and right right. But it sets up

858
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: perfectly to your game because there's really good spacing. You

859
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: don't have to be like a true point guard. There's

860
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: no ball screens. But if you can get your own

861
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: shot or play off somebody else's penetration, you can really play.

862
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: You can really play. Yeah, And it's all about just

863
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: just having other intelligent people around you. Everybody has to

864
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: have a have a high i Q to understand how

865
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: to make the ball pop and move around. Um. But yeah, no,

866
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: I think that. UM. I was definitely nervous. I won't

867
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: I won't lie. I was very nervous going into the game. Um,

868
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: and then I got my first uh I think I

869
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: gotta steal something like that, and took it to the

870
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: bath he got filed, made my first free throw, and

871
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: everything kind of relaxed after that. I mean so so

872
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: so the next game, though, is the following day, you

873
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: go back and you play in the garden. You're like,

874
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: there's the NBA and then there's I'm playing for the

875
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: Knicks in the garden and you dropped nineteen and hit

876
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: three threes in your first game in the garden. What

877
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: was that experience? Like, yeah, I really, I just was

878
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: there and it's it's so crazy to say that, but

879
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: it's like I didn't expect myself to to do anything

880
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: like that. I just was out there just playing and

881
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: longer behold, we were getting blown out, like don't don't

882
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: forget to mention that, like we were like we were

883
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: playing the Rockets. I gotta before the game before we

884
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: go out there, and my my boys are all something, Man,

885
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: don't we crossed up? Man, don't that hard and cast

886
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: us up this and that, and I'm just like, man,

887
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm not that's the laughing along now. I'm just trying

888
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: to make sure I don't embarrass myself out in and

889
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: play terrible and so um, I remember I just went

890
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: out there and just played, and um we started getting

891
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: blowing out with down by twenties. The crowds likes doing

892
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: and and then they s you know, I coming coming

893
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: the game, I said a couple of shots to cross

894
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: us getting into the game. I mean not saying we're

895
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: coming back and on like that, but they just getting

896
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: into the game because I'm playing well and uh playing hard.

897
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta think I got a tip, slam dunk,

898
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: and like the crowd just on their feet and teammates

899
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: that get un their feet and it's a whole different

900
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: atmosphere then. So I'm like, wow, like this, I think

901
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm here, and like it was almost like I'm a

902
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: rob type moment, like man, like this is what it

903
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: gonna be like, Like I want to, you know, every

904
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: I want to be in this moment all the time.

905
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to to be one time home. I

906
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: wanted to happen to move more and more so often.

907
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: So it just it literally just took me from being

908
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: a kid again. I was like I felt like I

909
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: was a kid again just out there in the backyard

910
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: hooka like count down five, four, three to one, you know,

911
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: Kovid Jordan or whatever, and and and see my shote.

912
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: So that's that's how I felt. Um, all right, you did.

913
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean the contract with Detroit was that's like a

914
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: legit three year, big time deal. And I know you

915
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: played in New Orleans. You have to go back and

916
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: play relatively kind of your hometown. That that had to

917
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: be amazing. But to but to sign the deal you

918
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: signed with Detroit, considering you know, you weren't a top

919
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: twenty recruit and though you had a very good college career,

920
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: you weren't drafted. You had to go through the G League.

921
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: You chose to bet on yourself and stay here instead

922
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: of going overseas. Um, take me through that moment of

923
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: signing the big deal with Detroit. Yeah, my agent, I

924
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: would give him a credit, a lot of credit. Michael Segar,

925
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: he did a lot of weren't for me to get

926
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: that deal, and so uh going it really led let

927
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: up into be getting traded to Sacramento. I actually had

928
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: one more more year on my contract. It was a

929
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: two It was a two year deal I had in

930
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: New Once when it was the second year was a

931
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: play auction and so leading up until the end of

932
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: the Sacramento season, Um, we've been going back and forth

933
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: with the management group over in Sacramento and saying the

934
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: direction they were heading, and then along of the whole

935
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: Detroit to end up coming in the last minute and saying, hey,

936
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: look we warned up. We went to the common play

937
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: for us and that was that was the stand band Gungeer.

938
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: I was like, man, like, you know, if a team,

939
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: that's a great sign like that. I mean, mom, they're

940
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna let me really rock out and let

941
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: me let me play. Because at that point in my career,

942
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: it was a lot of ups and downs, like after

943
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: getting traded, like my you know, my mentor everything was

944
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: kind of just all screwed up. Um. But then having

945
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: that moment was like, hey, look somebody wants you, like

946
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: the trade really wants you for three years, Like it

947
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: really changed my whole mindset in the scope. But I

948
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: mean the business side, yes, I understood that that maybe

949
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: understand getting traded um and and treating the game as

950
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: a business as well as a as a kid's game

951
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: as world like it really opened my eyes to a

952
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: lot of different things. But also too it really it

953
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: helped me because I knew that. Like I said, it

954
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: gave me a lot of confidence to go into my

955
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: my first year in Detroy, Like, hey, look, I think

956
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: I can make some noise with with signing this contract now,

957
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: and and I've changed a lot of like the stereotypes

958
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: for myself because if I go out here and and

959
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: and make the most out of this contract, I can

960
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: sign something even bigger than that and and really put

961
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: put my name and and put my you know, my

962
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: family on my back. The toughest toughest dude to cover

963
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: in the NBAS who for you, I probably would say

964
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: toughest has been Kyrie Um. I enjoyed playing against Kyrie Um.

965
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm always like it's it's always gonna be

966
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: a battle. I'm always you know, going back and forth

967
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: with him. It's going to bucket talking like it's just

968
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: it's a it's a lot of like whispering and um

969
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: he's real shifty, real shifty. So I love competing against him,

970
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: um and and and going and going after him. So

971
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: it's it's always a good matchup. He's a bad boy

972
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: right like he can just I mean, the finishing shots

973
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: are unreal. The handle is unreal. The creativity is is

974
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: ridiculous as as well. Um, best teammate you've had in

975
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: the NBA, you know that that's so hard to say.

976
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna say that There's there's been a

977
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: lot of great teammates along the way. Um, So I

978
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: don't want to specifically name one because I know there's

979
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: been so many and I don't want to miss anybody.

980
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: So so I've I've had a lot of great ones,

981
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: a lot of great was over my career. What what's

982
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: it like to be in the same court as Lebron?

983
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: It's just like any other any other player like uh,

984
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: he does I mean I will see that he does.

985
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: He sees things before the guys see see and see them.

986
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: So I will say his his uh, his ir Q,

987
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: his passibility, his his eye for the game. Is that

988
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: a whole nother level than everybody else's. So, um, yeah,

989
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: I give him a lot of credit because you know,

990
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: he studies a lot and it just it just comes

991
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: with the game. He's been in that spotlight for so

992
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: long on it. He just knows how to play, he

993
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: knows how to entertain, he knows how to entertainment. Sure

994
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: you mentioned you mentioned playing a video game two K

995
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: the first time you got the call for the ten day.

996
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: I mean, have you thought you have your own shoe,

997
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 1: your own que four shoe, right, you have a lundor

998
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: you have a guaranteed contract. You played seven years in

999
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: the NBA. Now you're on two K. Right now you

1000
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: can play yourself. Have you have you had a do

1001
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: you ever have a chance to have that perspective of Wow,

1002
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: I've really really made it, Like even if you never

1003
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: make an All Star team, you've accomplished more than of

1004
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: basketball players ever even dream of accomplishing. I never had

1005
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: that chance to just sit back and this plot and

1006
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: just just being all because I'm still in the moment um,

1007
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: I will say I've had a chance to just play

1008
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: against other people as my creative player on two K. Yeah,

1009
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: I mean that's it's great because everybody's like, man, you

1010
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: just of who are you gonna play with? I'm playing myself.

1011
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Like that's just like saying like that's

1012
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 1: that's that's a dream, Like to play as your own

1013
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: creative player on the game, and then to really be

1014
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: in the game and play against yourself, like that's that's

1015
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: pretty cool. That's pretty cool, So I will say that,

1016
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: like it is a dream come true to play a

1017
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: video game as myself. Um, but yeah, now I'm so

1018
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: like locked into the moment that I think I want

1019
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: to approve it until later, only once my career is

1020
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: all set done and and I'm able to like look

1021
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: back at it with my son or something like that

1022
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: when he gets old enough to understand what's going on.

1023
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: If you could, if you could tell a high school kid, hey,

1024
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: here here's how you might not make it, but here's

1025
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: how you give yourself the best chance of making it.

1026
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: What would you advice be? My advice to myself right

1027
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: now and to this day is it's been sacrifice. How

1028
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: can you How can you sacrifice time with your family,

1029
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: time uh hanging out with your friends, and time uh

1030
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: sleeping and everything like that? How can you sacrifice all

1031
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: that to make it where you want to make it too?

1032
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: And I've had to do that alone this way long,

1033
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: this journey, And so I'll say to any of your

1034
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: high school kid now, it's like, if if you really

1035
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: want this to be uh something you want to do

1036
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: in the future, like you want basketball to be your

1037
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: your job, you have to sacrifice a lot to get

1038
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: to this point, and um, and it's never going it's

1039
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: not gonna be given to you, that's for sure, unless

1040
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: like just you know, just you have God given ability

1041
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: and it's just yeah, I mean you're closing in Lebron

1042
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: or something like that. But still you still have to

1043
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: work every single day and sacrifice so much to get

1044
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: to that point. And and like everybody says, I it's

1045
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: only a small slim chance that you make it, but

1046
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: it's like that's gonna give you the best shot, just

1047
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: sacrificing and and putting in a lot of hardwork, putting

1048
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: a lot of hardwork. Thanks to man. Listen, it's been

1049
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: awesome to see you grow as a as a player,

1050
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: and great to catch up with you. Love to have

1051
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: you on the radio show and very very near future.

1052
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: In the meantime, enjoy that time and your son watching

1053
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: Guys Hoop and can't wait to see you back on

1054
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: the NBA floor next season. Thanks me, our guest on

1055
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 1: All Ball, Thank you so much. Be sure to catch

1056
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at

1057
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: three p m. Easter noon Pacific. All right, let me

1058
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: give you a couple of quick thoughts on the Lakers

1059
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: as they will get back to playing, and as we

1060
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: told you, Portland wasn't a tough matchup for them, and

1061
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: now Damian Lillards gone home. So eventually they'll play this

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Speaker 1: game five and the series will in fact be over.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna win based upon their defense and if they

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Speaker 1: just get enough scoring from guys you know, not named

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Speaker 1: Lebron and not named Anthony Davis. Really Anthony Davis, if

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Speaker 1: he can um, if he can show the ability to

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Speaker 1: score in the fourth order, that that that's huge. But

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Speaker 1: the plan for this team, the blueprint for this team

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Speaker 1: was seventy five points between Kuzma, Lebron, a d and

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Speaker 1: Kuzma sometimes has and sometimes has not provided his end

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Speaker 1: of the bargain, and then the rest of the team

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Speaker 1: just picking up play defense and hit enough shots to

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Speaker 1: keep everybody, uh, to keep everybody you know, out of

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Speaker 1: the lane for Lebron and for Anthony Davis. That's how

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Speaker 1: they play like they mall you. Defensively, they're the best

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Speaker 1: defensive team in the West, and uh that's kind of

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Speaker 1: their path to a championship. So I think they played

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Speaker 1: to their blue plot print quite quite well. Whereas the

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Speaker 1: Clippers are still trying to figure out exactly who they

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Speaker 1: are and what they are. Do they have pieces that

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Speaker 1: tell you they should be a great defensive team? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Are they great defensive teams at times? And I think

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Speaker 1: Paul George making shots makes Paul George play better defensively,

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Speaker 1: makes the whole thing work. And that's why they scored

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Speaker 1: a hund fifty nine points the last time out. The

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Speaker 1: Clippers have more top to bottom talent, they have more

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Speaker 1: weapons to score, but it's sometimes it's just about knowing

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Speaker 1: who you are, and the Clippers don't seem to know

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Speaker 1: that just yet. All Right, I'm lengthy. Gallery was great. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: this is an interesting time in the NBA. I'm happy

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Speaker 1: they're coming back and playing. It sucks, frankly as an

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Speaker 1: American that this is. You know how I think we're

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Speaker 1: viewed in the world that we just have. We just

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Speaker 1: cannot seem to figure out our issues, and I would

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Speaker 1: like I would like NBA players like, look, you definitely

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Speaker 1: have power and influence to have reasonable goals and expectations,

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Speaker 1: demand them of our leadership and stick to those demands

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Speaker 1: a right like look when I canna defend the police,

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Speaker 1: um and you can't speed at times you can't speed

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Speaker 1: up investigations or mistakes are made, and the legal system

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Speaker 1: is kind of what it is and you but you, ever,

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Speaker 1: you have every right to demand justice for all citizens,

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Speaker 1: not just black ones that are unarmed and shot in

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Speaker 1: the back. I mean for anybody. But I I think

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Speaker 1: that the next step and the way in which you've

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Speaker 1: gotten everybody's attention is is good. Is peaceful protest. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna play today. Now we get back to work,

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Speaker 1: but we wanted demand change. Here's some smart things that

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Speaker 1: we feel like can change and and helped shift us

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Speaker 1: towards moving forward. Instead of remarking on actions that have

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Speaker 1: taken place, I feel free to tweet at me at

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