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Speaker 1: Hey, I want about Dramaddie rodrig I'm very proud to

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Speaker 1: bring to you part two of our incredible conversation where

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Speaker 1: our brother Gabriel Luna here.

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Speaker 2: And must go on.

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Speaker 1: Part uh kicking things off with how did that process happen?

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Speaker 2: How did you even that was? You know what was

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Speaker 2: wild about that is around that time I had just

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Speaker 2: so happened to stumble upon a podcast of Robert Patrick

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Speaker 2: talking about the process of becoming the T one thousand,

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Speaker 2: and then shortly after I listened to this podcast, I say,

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Speaker 2: like a week later is when I got the call

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Speaker 2: I went in to see the Ray Mayfield was was

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Speaker 2: the exact same mirror process that Jim put Robert through

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Speaker 2: when he was a T two one thousand. First thing

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Speaker 2: was the first casting thing, the callback was with Tim.

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Speaker 2: I remember seeing Mackenzie come out of the room. Kenzie

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Speaker 2: Davis said, just did her, who eventually was cast as

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Speaker 2: I and this all happened to Robert. This is exactly

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Speaker 2: as it happened because then Robert went to go see

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Speaker 2: Jim Cameron. They met together. Then they had a stunt

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Speaker 3: And this ten assessment is pretty much like can.

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Speaker 2: You yeah, what do you how do you feel? How

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Speaker 2: do you move? And everything else, you know. Then they

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Speaker 2: Freddie Boschiegas, who is our fight coordinator, who is now

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Speaker 2: the president of Stunts Unlimited, and I love him so much,

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Speaker 2: He's one of my favorite people. Yeah, and so Robert

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Speaker 2: just all kinds of crazy, kind of interwoven moments. But

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Speaker 2: I had heard Robert talk about in this podcast.

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Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, We're like okay, so where

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Speaker 2: It feels like I'm at the end of it now.

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Speaker 2: And then they were like, well, Tim calls me and

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Speaker 2: But Jim wants to meet his screen test chief. And

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Speaker 2: Tim talking about Jim Cameron. He said the Jim once

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this episode has been brought to you, and so

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Speaker 4: uh and so once again no one around just get

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Speaker 5: And was the was the role written Latino or were

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Speaker 2: Another instance where everyone was, you know, making their jokes

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Speaker 2: that aspect of it. Yeah, because if it's performed, you know,

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Speaker 2: And so I remember the first time I met him.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think that that would be an actual exhibition

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Speaker 1: that iconically was established by someone that iconic was a physique.

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Speaker 3: I got, like a pilgrimage.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that cool? It's just a whole idea that they

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Speaker 2: But beyond that, he's become this father figure to me

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Speaker 2: and I'd say that he's kind of the father figure.

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Speaker 2: And like I was at WrestleMania a couple of months ago,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, he only FaceTime my FaceTime. I

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Speaker 2: was like, check this out. He's like, wow, how many

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Speaker 2: but you know, just whatever, if there's some cool stuff

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Speaker 3: And that's a genuine man too.

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Speaker 1: It's just so I still ever wonders about this whole

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Speaker 2: my pilgrimage to the Hearthouse, and I lurked around the

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00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 2: gates and took photos outside, and there's this beautiful plaque

433
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: that says Hearthouse and with two Greco Roman wrestlers wrestling.

434
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 2: And then there I could see the basement from the street,

435
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: the world famous dungeon where Stu Hart, his father trained

436
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: generations of wrestlers, including his entire family, Brett, his brother Owen,

437
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 2: and his brother in law's Davy Boy, and Jim Knightheart,

438
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 2: who his tag team partner. And so I go home.

439
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 2: I come back the next day. Our COVID doctor fella

440
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: named Mike was like, what'd you do with your first

441
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: day of freedom? And I said, I went to the Hearththouse.

442
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, you're a wrestling fan. I was. I

443
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I like wrestling. I mean, I love

444
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 2: Brett Hart. I mean I told him the story that

445
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, after my mom got divorced

446
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: with my brothers, my brother Timothy's dad, our first outing

447
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: together as our new family unit, my mom, myself and

448
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 2: my little brother was to go see WWE at the

449
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: Frank Irwin Center in Austin, Texas in nineteen eighty nine

450
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: at Saturday Night's main event. We were going there to

451
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: see The Ultimate Warrior, and we left eternal Brett Hart

452
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: fans because my brother was. He bestowed the pink visor

453
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 2: shades onto my brother, which is his. It was his claim.

454
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 2: Two fames. Yeah, the first.

455
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 3: Please tell me he still has Yeah, he still has them.

456
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: Someone and he's like, he's he just held that over

457
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 2: my head for so long as I got. Look at

458
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: I got. Every time I tried to hold him, He's like,

459
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: you get Hell, those are mine. You can't touch it. Yeah.

460
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: And so flash forward to Calgary, Alberta. I'm shooting the

461
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: last of us. We're ending the first We're like round

462
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: the end of the first episode or something, and then, uh,

463
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: the same COVID doctor. Well he had told me earlier.

464
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: He's like, you know what, I know Brett Hart's appearance agent.

465
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: Maybe you can link you guys up. I was like,

466
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: that'd be amazing. Didn't think about it, just go to work.

467
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 2: One of the last days of the first episode. My

468
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 2: assistant comes up. She's like, I got my COVID on

469
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: the line. I was like, oh no, I thought I

470
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 2: popped dirty on one of the COVID tests. I was like, oh, shoot,

471
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: what's going on? Man, we're ready to hear him tell

472
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: me you need to walk off the set and you

473
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 2: needed whatever quarantine you again for two weeks. But it

474
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: wasn't that. It was hey, man, how would you like

475
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 2: to meet Brett Hart? And I was like, I would

476
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: love to go on. He's like, well, I gave him

477
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: your phone number. He's going to call you tomorrow. I

478
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: was like, well, wait, wait, hold on, he's going to Yeah.

479
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, wait, I'm working. We're all nights tonight.

480
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 2: I'm not getting off until six am. When is he

481
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: in a call? He's like, I don't know, man, He's

482
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: just going to call you. And I was like okay.

483
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: So I worked all night, wrapped at six, drove the

484
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: hour from High River back to Calgary, went to bed,

485
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: woke up at like nine one another like situation with

486
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: Robert where I was just I didn't sleep very much,

487
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: but I knew something. I had to answer the phone,

488
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: and I I answer it or he calls me like

489
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: nine to twelve, so I'm glad I'm up. He's like

490
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: he gave this his Brett here you're a big fan

491
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: and my my son Blades a fan of Oars and

492
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: like we can meet up and you know, go have

493
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: a bite to eat. And I was like, yeah, that'd

494
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 2: be wonderful. I said, what do you want to do.

495
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 2: He's like, well, tomorrow we can go to Red's Diner.

496
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: It's kind of close to your house, and and I

497
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 2: was like, sounds good. And then I get off the

498
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 2: phone and my wife's laughing. You're like, you look like

499
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: a little kid.

500
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: And then the whole thing by the universe right like that,

501
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: You're like nine in the morning, you're talking to like

502
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: your childhood hero, and then you're making.

503
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: Just go get a bite. You're like, what, what's my crazy? Crazy?

504
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: Because then the next day I drive over that Red's Diner.

505
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: I get us a corner booth and I'm waiting for

506
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: him thirty minutes early because he's not gonna wait for me.

507
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: But then nine twelve o'clock comes around he's not there.

508
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: Well okay, so I go outside and look outside on

509
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: the patio. He's not there. He's like, oh shoot, and

510
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 2: then he texts me and he says I'm here. It's like,

511
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: where are you? I call him up? Sorry? Where are

512
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: you He's home in the patio. I'm looking at the patio

513
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: and there's no one there. I was like, okay, one second.

514
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: I go up to the hostess. So it's like, is

515
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 2: there another Reds diner? Like, oh yeah, there's one in Kensington. Oh.

516
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: I was like, oh God. So I get in the car.

517
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: I drive over to Kensington. It's kind of a kind

518
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: of a more kind of fancier. I mean, it's fancy

519
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: as kind of Calgary gets. And then I'm looking at everything.

520
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: Calgary is only fifteen minutes. Okay, So I go over there,

521
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: and but I'm looking at I'm just looking at the

522
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 2: patio from outside. I don't see brett Heart there. And

523
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: also this kind of part of town doesn't strike me

524
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: as the other place I just left felt very much

525
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 2: like a Bredheart spot. It's like old diner, brick, red

526
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: brick building, you know. And then I get to this

527
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: place and it's kind of new and fancy. I was like,

528
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: this doesn't feel right. So I started driving back to

529
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 2: the other place. Maybe I just missed him. But then

530
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: I look at my phone. He texts me and I

531
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 2: call him furiously. I'm sure, I'm so sorry. I'm all

532
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 2: my way, I'm I would never keep you waiting. He's like, oh,

533
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: it's all right, just take your time. And then I

534
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: look on the text thread and he had sent me

535
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 2: the physical address where I needed to go, and I

536
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 2: just had overlooked it. It was another Reds diner in

537
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: East Kenol, where he lives. But luck, once again, everything's

538
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: twelve to fifteen minutes away. So I drived to East

539
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: Calgary and there he is sitting outside, and we'd appreciate this.

540
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: As Latinos and people who love wrestling, we will probably

541
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: all love Ray Mysterio, and apparently so does Brett Hart.

542
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 2: In fact, Ray is probably his favorite wrestler, I think,

543
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: he says. And he's wearing a Ray Mysterio shirt from

544
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: a company called Roots of Fight that my buddy Jesse

545
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: Katz owns, And I'm looking at Brett Heart there in

546
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: his silver shock of hair, sitting right in front of me,

547
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: and we proceed to have a five hour conversation. He

548
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: tells me every single story straight from the horse's mouth.

549
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: He tells me about the Montreal screwdob against Seawan Michaels,

550
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: where Vince screwed him out of the belt. He tells

551
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: me Wrestmania thirteen with Stonecoat Steve Austin, and he's using

552
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: when he described the Montreal screwjob, he's using salt shakers,

553
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: sugar packets, pepper thing to show me where everybody was. Like,

554
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: so I'm sitting here, Sean's in the corner crime, my

555
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: brother and Davy and Jim are sitting here this salt shaker.

556
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: This is Vince coming in with Sergeant Slaughter and he's

557
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: just like doing the whole basically the floor map of

558
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: what happened when he punched this McMahon out, knock him

559
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: out with a nupper cut and laid him out on

560
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: the floor. So he tells me this whole story. He's like,

561
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: Davy boy always stole my towel, so I didn't have

562
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: a towel. So I'm naked as a jaybird as I

563
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: walk out, and I tell Vince, you better be out

564
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: of here by the time I get my clothes on,

565
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: and he's like, I only got my pants and one

566
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: shoe on. And I got up and I uppercutted him

567
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: and I knocked him out. I told me a little story.

568
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: And then he tells me the story about Stone goes.

569
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: Steve Austin wrestling at thirteen where Stone Colts is bleeding.

570
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: It's a very famous, probably the most famous WrestleMania match.

571
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: In fact, it's the first match to ever be inducted

572
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: into the Wrestlal, the ww Hall of Fame. And this

573
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: year's WrestleMania where I was in attendance, and I went

574
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: to have dinner with Brett and his wife Stephanie with

575
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: my friend Michael, who blew my buddy Michael's mind. So

576
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: we're sitting there Cosmopolitan having dinner and he was just

577
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: telling me the whole thing about the induction of the

578
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: match and everything else. I was telling Michael about how

579
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: Brett had told me about that match, and he used

580
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: a Sweet and Low that he folds into fourths to

581
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: show me the size of the blade, and then how

582
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: he taped it with his wrist tape and he left

583
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: a tiny little corner of the blade exposed, because traditionally

584
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: that's how they would you would get color and cut

585
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: yourself and gig, you know, and you usually do it

586
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: to yourself, but Stone Cold had never done it before,

587
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: so Brett volunteered to do it for him, but with

588
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: the stipulation that if the blade comes out, it has

589
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: to happen. You can't go back from that point, even

590
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: though at the time there was a strict no blood

591
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: rule that vincement Man had put in place, and not

592
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: only did they do it, they did it right in

593
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: front of Vince. He was never none the wiser. Everybody

594
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: thought that Stone Cold had that he had really potato

595
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: stone Cold and was bleeding, but he had kept the blade.

596
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: The tape is all the way around with the tiny

597
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: bit of it exposed, and usually you tape it to

598
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: your wrist with wrist tape, and Brett told me that

599
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: he had stuck it in his gums, So for the

600
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: entirety of the match, he had a blade stuck in

601
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: his gums. And then of course cut stone Cold takes

602
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: him into the ring, puts Stone Cold on the sharp shooter.

603
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: Stone Cold refuses to give up, and that was by

604
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 2: design because he had no real submission moves and they

605
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: had given him this finish where it had to be

606
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: a submission, And so Brett puts him in the sharp

607
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: shooter and he's like, the only way this works is

608
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 2: if the people in the three hundreds can see how

609
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: much pain you're in, and that's why you have to

610
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: get cut and he was right, because it's legendary. The

611
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: Stone Cold is bleeding from his face, he's pushing, he's

612
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: refusing to give up, and then he just passes out

613
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: and they ring the bell. And basically Stone Cold is

614
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: forever in Brett Hart's debt and loves him dearly, and

615
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: the love go two ways. Brett loves Stone Cold as well.

616
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: We all love Stone Cold from Texas because we're all

617
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: you know, he's from Victoria and I'm from Austin and

618
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: Stone Cold lived in Austin for a long time and

619
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: he just at that point made Stone Cold's career. And uh,

620
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: Steve has said this many times himself, and so it's

621
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: just to have these this this guy who I idolize,

622
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: tell me these stories and then have that match inducted

623
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: into the Hall of Fame this year at WrestleMania and

624
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: be able to sit with Brett his wife that night

625
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: after it happens.

626
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 5: Was was was stone Cold resistant at all to any

627
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 5: of sort of like where where Brett thought, yeah, oh

628
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 5: he was.

629
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: He was at some point when the blade came out.

630
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: He says that Steve was like, don't do it, don't

631
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: do it. Oh, and then Brett was like, it's too

632
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: late and then and so they but then you know,

633
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: ever since then, it's been uh, it's been louded as

634
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: the probably the restaurant in you match. But anyway, after

635
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: I met with at that first time when we were

636
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: Reds Diner, he gives me a Hitman hat from Roots

637
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: of Fight. This podcast is brought to you by Trader

638
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: Joe's and Roots of Fight. And he gives me the

639
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: hat and he gives me his book and in the

640
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: book he signed the book and his signature is there.

641
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: And it's so funny because I remember, it's as if

642
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: that signature is emblazoned in my mind because when he

643
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: gives the shades out, he signs them, he pre signs them.

644
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: So I had seen his signature throughout my childhood on

645
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: that pair of shades that he had given my brother,

646
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: and now I'm looking at it again thirty years later,

647
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: thirty five years yeah, thirty something years later in on

648
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: the front jacket of his book, and I was like, wow,

649
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: that's so crazy. I remember this.

650
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

651
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: Only difference was now it has four hearts, where previously

652
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: it only had three, because each heart is representative one

653
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: of his children. And at the time he gave those

654
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: to my brother. And when we were at that show,

655
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: he only had three kids. Oh and since then he's

656
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: had his daughter, Beans, who's obviously an adult now. But

657
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 2: and I just remember seeing that. I took all that

658
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: home and I go back to my house and once

659
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: again I was like, you look like a goddamn kid.

660
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: So I have the hat on, I have the book.

661
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: But it's so hard not to man, because I grew

662
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: up with with wrestling, to the Undertaker was my favorite. Yeah,

663
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: but as I was I was, as I was growing up,

664
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, it was still very much bibuly And then

665
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I ended up doing that seventy show,

666
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: and that seventies show decides to do a wrestling episode

667
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: in partnership with WWF.

668
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: That's right, WWF, and they especially in the seventies, well

669
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: in the seventies, Yeah, it was the WWWF back then,

670
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 2: so they stand.

671
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: The coolest part about it was that they decided, okay, well,

672
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: you know, we're going to do this special episode. And

673
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: we were the number one comedy so it was like

674
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: easy to get these cameos. So they send all their

675
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: up and comers, you know, they send the hardy boys,

676
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: then they send Can Shamrock.

677
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: And the Rock Up and Comers.

678
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: Bro. That was the rocks first acting gig. By the way,

679
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: that was his first time him being on like a

680
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: TV show, like oh wow, besides like wrestling or whatever.

681
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: So he had to do this scene where he was

682
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: kind of playing his dad. Yes, yeah, there is this

683
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: actually hilarious picture. It's just me dressed dance faz in

684
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: between can Shamrock and the Rock and They're both doing

685
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: this like they're punping and I'm like pretending scaring.

686
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: Such a great epic picture for me, that is.

687
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: But the point is like these guys roll up and

688
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: they do like some little stunt stuff and they'll show whatever.

689
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: But you know, like we're looking at the hardy boys,

690
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the kN Shamrock doing the year

691
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: where he had just like left the UFC and joined

692
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: right right, And to me that was a huge Well

693
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: I still am. I'm one of the most massive UFC fans.

694
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: And Dana White was a dear friend is still very

695
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: much a dear friend of mine. He would put me

696
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: in the front road, you know.

697
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: And then I.

698
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: Became friends with all those guys right like Rampitch Jackson

699
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: a huge like.

700
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: A huge fan like you and I both know Spiders, yes,

701
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: and Anderson who's.

702
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: The Michael Jordan of MMA, and and uh so, then

703
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: when Ken Shawnrock, who was one of my first heroes off.

704
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: Jeez Man back with the old man old logo, you know,

705
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: like the original one hundred percent and like he was

706
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: the baddest man on the planet.

707
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: You know, he shows up to the set of seventy

708
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: show bro my brain just like exploded, like like.

709
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 3: I'm doing and I'm looking at the Rock.

710
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, he's doing the eyebrow thing, and

711
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: like at that time, everyone in the said, He's like

712
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: what is he doing with the eyebrow thing?

713
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: It was like because he was.

714
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: Like looking out and he's like the most you know,

715
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: my son will be the most electrified man.

716
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 2: And you know, like he was doing the whole thing,

717
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 2: you know.

718
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 3: And everyone's like what is was that time? Was he

719
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: started off as like a good guy okay.

720
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he did he they he was he

721
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: they wouldn't receive him as this good guy that they

722
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: were trying to push it that he made his choice

723
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: to turn into this kind of turn. That's how he

724
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: became the most electrifying man in sports. Entertainment. How about

725
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: that's so crazy. That's so crazy because that is it's

726
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: it's it's our business is so funny because you know,

727
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: we're actors, but we want to be musicians, and the

728
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: musicians want to be actors. We all want to be athletes,

729
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: and the athletes want to be actors. It's just and

730
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: and and just to see how that all intersects. You know,

731
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: right now you talk about the UFC, which I absolutely

732
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: love as well, and the we're I was just at

733
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: UFC three fifteen with some of my Terminal List cast

734
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: mates because we were there as guests of Valentina Schifchinko,

735
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: which is the Flyway champion of the world, and she

736
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: is going to be She's just started acting. She was

737
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: in a picture called Bruised with Holly Berry and it

738
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: was just a now that she is joining our cast,

739
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: and we were there to see her to support her

740
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: because we knew we were in this trying to work

741
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: out this deal so she can join the cast. So

742
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: Valentina is going to be in The Terminalist with us

743
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: and we're going to share some scenes together, and so

744
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: we got to go see her in her fight and

745
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: the whole time it's just like, first of all, Valentina,

746
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: please win this fight. She was playing. She was fighting

747
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 2: mine On Fiarro, who was a great kickboxer, big big gal,

748
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: big for flyway and uh and number two, please please

749
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: don't hit her in the face. And not only did

750
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: she just she barely got touched because she was so smart.

751
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if she even had this in the

752
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: back of her mind. I'm sure she didn't, but she

753
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: knews that she has. She knows that she has this

754
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: acting gig that she has potentially in a couple of months,

755
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: and of course it'll be much sweeter. She's still the

756
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: flyweight champion of the world, and of course it'll be

757
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: much easier if her face is and complete. Bits. You know,

758
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 2: she needs to have just a masterful, masterful performance, she said,

759
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: mine On, great, big, long limbs, great kickboxer, kept going

760
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: with this head kick, and without fail, every single attempt

761
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: Valentina pulls it. She pulls every single one, just whips

762
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: out front of her face and then she and then

763
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 2: she would counter every single time min On through this

764
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: this roundhouse to her head.

765
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: That was the game plan. I mean, there was a

766
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: no knowledge that kick was going to be coming over.

767
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so they just crashed some time she pulled it,

768
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: not one of them had it, and I was like, wow,

769
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: this is incredible, and then she has She won the

770
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 2: fight that night was incredible as well because Josei Ado

771
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: I believe he won that fight. And I was just

772
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 2: talking to Anderson at the Ballerina premiere. What did he think?

773
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: He thought j W as well. We all thought he

774
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: did so. But apparently Aldo took the gloves off, retired

775
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: in the ring. Epic night. U uh we uh who else?

776
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 2: What else happened that night?

777
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that UFC.

778
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: Car JDM won the championship. That was pretty crazy. That

779
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 2: was nice. So yeah, we just had We had an

780
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: amazing time. And then we went and had a pizza

781
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: party with as one Valentina. Valentina let me hold her belt,

782
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: We said there, took photos together, We all had a

783
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: pizza because she hadn't had pizza in a few few weeks.

784
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: We had a pizza party. After you win defend your

785
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: flyweight champions I.

786
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 5: Just did a movie with Speaking of wrestlers wanting to act,

787
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 5: I just did a movie with Charlotte Flair.

788
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Ric Flair's daughter shout out. Shout out to

789
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: Ashley Uh.

790
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: It was.

791
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 5: She was lovely, wonderful and and and such a great actress.

792
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: And I was like, this is your first movie.

793
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 5: She was so prepared and so like, so spot on.

794
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: You know, that's pretty awesome.

795
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

796
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a legend number and that she's earned her

797
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: own legendary status.

798
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 5: Yeah. And I'm becoming more you know, I used to

799
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 5: watch wrestling when I was a kid and then sort of.

800
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: Fell out out of it.

801
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 5: But I've I've recently been trying to get familiar with

802
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 5: the times and and and you.

803
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: Know, people like her.

804
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 5: You know, we would walk around with her and she

805
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 5: was like the beatles Man. Yeah, yeah, we're the Dominican

806
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 5: Republican people be like, oh my god. You know.

807
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: And that's the crazy thing about that old stuff, you know,

808
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: it's it's we all love it as kids, of course,

809
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 2: but now it's such big business. It's it's uh the

810
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 2: w W E, d UFC or under the same umbrella

811
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 2: of course, ko and it's it's it's it's an entertainment conglomerate, right,

812
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: you know. And it's just and yeah, but they they're there.

813
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: Athleticism can never be short changed because it is a

814
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: extremely physical.

815
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: I think they're the most the most fit, well rounded

816
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: athlete in the world. I mean, when people specialize for

817
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: a sport, you know, your body morphs into what he

818
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: needs to be for that. Mixed martial arts, it's like

819
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: everything in your body has to be a weapon and

820
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: it has to function and it has to be throwing

821
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: faster than the other person.

822
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think about the I mean, it's just a

823
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: well rounded thing.

824
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: It is, Yeah, and it's it's something you know, I'm

825
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: a big kind of I'm a boxing purist in a

826
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: lot of ways. And but the thing about the UFC is,

827
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 2: while some people will become masters of a certain discipline,

828
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: you can't. You can never completely lean on that. And

829
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: you're and both hemispheres of your body have to be

830
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: active and you and they have to be able to respond,

831
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: You have to be able to engage. You have to

832
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: have them kind of act independently of each other in

833
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, which is which is an important

834
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: skill set, spherical kind of way of being. And that's

835
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: what Rouce Lee. We talked about Bruce Lee earlier in

836
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 2: the daw Jikundola. That's exactly what he was. He was.

837
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: He was probably the world's first mixed martial artists, and

838
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: that's what they always claim, you know, that's what the

839
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: and right rightfully so, because that was his approach, to

840
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: not get tight in to any specific discipline, to not

841
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: narrow your your view of the world, because that's what

842
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: martial arts was to him. It was a man if.

843
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: It was a expression, a manifestation of the world through

844
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: your body in a very spherical way. And that's yeah,

845
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: to be able to to be ready in every direction,

846
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 2: be able to pivot in any direction. It's it's useful

847
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: in every in in all ways in your life, you know,

848
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: I think I think it's it's a the mental aspect

849
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: of that is applicable to us as actors. The it's

850
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: it's it's applicable to to my work, the work that

851
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: I have to do on the gun, where I'm working

852
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: on terminalists, for instance, to the idea that both you know,

853
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 2: both halves your body are working independently of each other,

854
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: but towards the same end. You know, to be able

855
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: to corporate that right and flow with these right, So

856
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: you're right, I think truly it is the most well rounded.

857
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 5: And did you do some additional training, did you incorporate somebody?

858
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we've we've done a lot of that we've done.

859
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: Of course we had to for Terminal List, right, for Terminalists.

860
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what is that your next thing right now?

861
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: Because that's what I'm working on. Then, right, next thing

862
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: to come out will be a show that I shot

863
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 2: also in Toronto called Double in Disguise. It's about the

864
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: John Wayne Gacy case where I play Detective Rafael Tovar,

865
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: who is was the lead investigator on the John Wayne

866
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: Gacey case in Chicago at the time. Amazing in the

867
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Speaker 2: in the seventies and what's the time, who was a

868
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 2: Texas guy from Crystal City, Texas who moved to Chicago

869
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Speaker 2: because they were looking for bilingual people to be police officers,

870
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Speaker 2: and then he finds himself as a lead investigator on

871
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Speaker 2: this horrific case that should be coming out on Peacock

872
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Speaker 2: in the fall.

873
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Speaker 3: Amazing.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And then I'm currently in production on the Terminal List,

876
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Speaker 2: which should come out sometime next year.

877
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: And that's uh, the Terminal List. Yeah, yeah, my first

878
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 3: he's Nancy, were the bad guys?

879
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, that's right, is that?

880
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 5: Yeah?

881
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's where the suspects of them big us guys

882
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: there were Yeah.

883
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, all the way up to Sect death Man,

884
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: a lot of people You're gonna trust anybody. There are

885
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people involved that conspiracy.

886
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 3: M but I love that show. Terminal List. Say, when

887
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: I read that you were on it, I was.

888
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: Like, Chris, Chris does a great job. He's a great

889
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: leader on that show. He's he's he's uh pulled together

890
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: an awesome team. Jared Shaw, Max Adams, Raymondoza worked on

891
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: the first season is also a ta He of course

892
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: co directed Warfare with Alex Garland. I worked with Raymondoza

893
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: on True Detective many years ago, our head military advisor.

894
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: There was guy named Mark Simos. I think Chick Daniels

895
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: also worked on that the fella I mentioned before who

896
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Speaker 2: I worked with on Mattador. But as far as like

897
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: the seal teams and maneuvers, Mark Simos and Raymondoza they

898
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: were on their there, they were on the teams at

899
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Speaker 2: the same time, their first platoon they were, they were

900
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Speaker 2: uh deployed together. And uh, I love ray I mean,

901
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: and I'm so proud of him and what he was

902
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 2: able to accomplish with the Warfare film, which is authenticity

903
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: to a t. I mean it's it's uh, it's so

904
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: devoid of any kind of morality play. It's it is

905
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: completely devoid of any Hollywood bullshit. Every single round is

906
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: fired with having with a choice having been made, a

907
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 2: decision being made, the action. There's no super heroics. There's

908
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: just people trying to survive and trying to execute a

909
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: mission and eventually trying to extract casualties from this from

910
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 2: this scenario. And it's just a beautiful I mean, beautiful

911
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: is an interesting word to use, but it's a a

912
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 2: very impactful film, one that I'm still kind of thinking

913
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Speaker 2: about as I as I sit here. But Ray is

914
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 2: special and and he and Jared Shaw and Max Adams,

915
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: all the people who are our military advisers are amazing.

916
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: And they definitely have equipped us with the Rex skill

917
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: sets to move and make it look real. And you

918
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Speaker 2: know what I noticed too. But Ray was like, man,

919
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Jared was like, you know when we cast you,

920
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: this is another thing. When I took the meeting about

921
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: these got to do this job. Uh, you know, they're

922
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: asking me a lot of serious questions about conflict, about fighting,

923
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: why I feel about fighting. You know, My whole thing

924
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: is much with the characters I play much like the

925
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: characters I play, which I guess are just me and

926
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Speaker 2: all the facets of me. It's it's to be both

927
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: lying and lamb, you know, to be powerful towards the

928
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: towards the the for the benefit, for the protection of others,

929
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: and the strength to be utilized in that way, but

930
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: also to have the vulnerability and the softness inside to

931
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: care and be compassionate, to find the strike the balance,

932
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Speaker 2: you know. And that that's what I told them, you know,

933
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Speaker 2: I told them about the times I've been in fist fights,

934
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Speaker 2: and you know, but not in any kind of braggadocious way.

935
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Speaker 2: Just so this the sheer fact of it. Every single

936
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Speaker 2: every single one of those stories involved coming to someone

937
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: else's aid. And because you can say what you want

938
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Speaker 2: to me and maybe even you might be able to

939
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Speaker 2: strike me. Ah. But once that that force and that

940
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: Vince has turned to somebody who can't defend themselves, that's

941
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: where the line is drunk. And I was making this

942
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Speaker 2: clear of them, it turns my philosophy about fighting, and

943
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: they uh, And then they got to a point where

944
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Speaker 2: at the end of the at the end of the meeting,

945
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: they're like, they're like gave you're you're the guys. You're

946
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: perfect for this, and not just because of that what

947
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: I know about you and and how you because the

948
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: story won of the story has told us about me

949
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: coming into the aid. My buddy Beck Bennett used to

950
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: be on Satday yight Line and we got into a

951
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: bar fight and at the White Horse and.

952
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: In Austin, Austin.

953
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the that's a long story. I won't tell

954
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: her here. The you knows. And then one of the

955
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: guys pipes up Max, He's like, you know, we know

956
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: you're the right guy, not just because the stories you

957
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: just told her, maybe you because you helping your buddy

958
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: back Bennett get out of his barfight, but because you

959
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: are both lying and lamb in the sense that the

960
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: lamb was on display when you did a dance contest

961
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: with my daughter in Chicago at a comic Con event

962
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: where they came up to your table, when you treated

963
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: her with such respect and such love, and I'm so

964
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: thankful for that, he told me. And the dance contest, yeah,

965
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 2: she came up, she started dancing. She wanted she wanted

966
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: to like have a dance off. And I remembered this

967
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: and I was like oh, I do remember that he

968
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: had a video. He's like, here's a video of it.

969
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,959
Speaker 2: And then she had just she just came to set

970
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: like two or three weeks ago. She made me a

971
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 2: little bracelet and everything else, and she's like, I made

972
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 2: you yours with the large beads. Everyone, you're the only

973
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: one that has the large because we're friends from a

974
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: long time. Think you're right, but that is that is

975
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: just these things you never know. Oh, that's why you

976
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 2: make full encounters and you treat people with respect because

977
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: down the line, down the road, you don't know how

978
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 2: things shake out. And this is an instance where I'm

979
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 2: now this is executive producer, former Army Ranger is more

980
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 2: inclined to trust me because he's seen these aspects that

981
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: that he needs for this character, the strength and and

982
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: the h and the tenderness in a way, and he's

983
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: seen them on display in the flesh kind of around

984
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: the work, around the way.

985
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, speaking of respect, and as

986
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: as we close the show, one of the things that

987
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: I've noticed in every interview you've ever done and every

988
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: encounter I have with you, you always have made a.

989
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 3: Point of remembering.

990
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: Every individual that it's a part of telling the story.

991
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: You give them their flowers, you know their first and

992
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: last name, and you're making sure that every time you

993
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: bring up a job, you know, you make sure you

994
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: mentioned every single person that that touched your process, and

995
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: you give them their flowers, and you give them their

996
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: credit and and for them, you know, sometimes it's just.

997
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 3: Being remembered, you know. It's it's not about the credit.

998
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: It's about just like remember, being remembered that we all

999
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: shared a very special storytelling moment, you know.

1000
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 3: And look, this is like the so the signs.

1001
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: Of other people behind, you know, behind us remember and

1002
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: then thinking about us, you know. But but but Gary,

1003
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm so stoked that you spend all this time with us,

1004
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: here to do with us, and and that you were

1005
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: able to share all those amazing stories. Brought up so

1006
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,479
Speaker 1: much memories of all the things that you know, we

1007
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: we've kind of coexisted with and uh, you know, we

1008
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: were just so thrilled to be able to tell you

1009
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: how much we we love you and respect you and

1010
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: can't wait to see you wait and win and I

1011
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:46,959
Speaker 1: love you.

1012
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: Guys, and that's just it's uh, it's even at this

1013
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: moment to to to like kind of tread the stones

1014
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: that you guys laid, and that's that's that's the truth

1015
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 2: of it, you know. And uh, I kind of made

1016
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: my bones a little later in my career. And you

1017
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 2: guys at such young ages were able to to deliver

1018
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: and to make people respect us, to make people respect you,

1019
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: so that the door was open when I got there,

1020
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 2: and I intend to make sure the door's open for

1021
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: people behind me. And that's how we keep doing it.

1022
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: Man, you're making your culture incredibly proud. Do you wanna

1023
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: do you wanna take us out?

1024
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: All right?

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00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: Hey, this is Freddie Rodriguez and.

1026
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: I'm Wilmer Valderama, and thank you all for listening to

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00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: this beautiful and thank you Gabriel Lune for being here

1028
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: with us.

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00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. The next episode next one.

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Speaker 5: Those Amigos is a production from WV Sound and iHeartMedia's

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Speaker 5: Michael through That Podcast Network, hosted by Me, Freddie Rodriguez

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00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 5: and Wilm of Valdorama.

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Speaker 1: Those Amigos is produced by Aaron Burlson and Sophie Spencer's Abbos.

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Speaker 5: Executive producers are Wilmri vald Ramo, Freddie Rodriguez, Aaron Burlson,

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Speaker 5: and Leo clem At WV sound.

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Speaker 1: This episode was shot and entered it by Ryan Posts

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Speaker 1: and mixed by Sean Tracy and features original music by

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Speaker 1: Madison Devenport and Halo boy Our.

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Speaker 5: Cover art photography is by David Avalos and designed by

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Speaker 5: Deny Holtz.

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Speaker 1: Clau and thank you for being a third Amigo today.

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00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys always listening to those amiingos.

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