1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life, 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, 5 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party. 6 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after 7 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking 10 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: about this week's full episode subject said Vicious, Sean Diddy, 11 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: Combs and jay Z. We got an update for you. 12 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: We're getting into the next two episodes that are hitting 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: your feet in honor of the Academy Awards that are 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: coming up. First Dorothy Stratton and then our part two 15 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: episode on Martin Scorsese, and we get into your voice, text, DMS, 16 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: emails and as always, a whole lot of rosie. Alright, 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: disc goes, let's get into it all right, So just 18 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: imagine we're not sitting here in February. We're not blanketed 19 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: in snow, We're not freezing our butts off. Imagine it's 20 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: the summer. It's summer twenty twenty five, there's a worldwide 21 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: cooling in temperature. It's perfect weather everywhere. It's seventy two 22 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: and sunny. There's no humidity at the beach. This morning, 23 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: you pulled a perfect pearl from an oyster. It was 24 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: your second pearl on what seems like an endless vacation. 25 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: There's peace in the Middle East. At home here in America, 26 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: there's consensus among voters and our leaders on the direction 27 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: of the country is to follow Morrissey and Johnny mar 28 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: They've reunited the Smiths, as have Jack and Meg White 29 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: the White Stripes. Both bands are on tour right now 30 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: and tickets are only twenty bucks each. There are no 31 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: additional fees. Even Okay, Congress has passed the Buck Stops 32 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: Here Bill, a bipartisan piece of legislation that makes it 33 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: illegal to charge more than a dollar for a hot dog, 34 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: a coffee, or a glass of cheap beer. And Sean 35 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: Ditty Combs has just been convicted of sex trafficking, racketeering, conspiracy, 36 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: and transportation to engage in prostitution. The evidence against Ditty 37 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: numerous videotapes showing him committing unthinkable sex crimes against his 38 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: victims while being cheered on by other complicit a list 39 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: celebrities is so damning that he's given the maximum sentence 40 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: one hundred years plus life in a federal prison where 41 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: he will spend all of the rest of his breathing moments. 42 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: You want all of these things to happen, sure, but 43 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that they will. Okay, we didn't get 44 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: justice for sid Vicius's death. You can hear all about 45 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: that in this week's full episode of Disgrace San And 46 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: this past week we learned that the case against jay 47 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: Z was thrown out and that got me thinking, what 48 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: in the hell is actually going to happen with this 49 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: coming Sean Diddy Comb's trial. Do we think Comb's is guilty. 50 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: That's a tough question. We've talked about it a bunch here, 51 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: and you know we have evolving opinions on this, all right. 52 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: Combs has been indicted and legally accused in multiple cases, 53 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: criminal and civil, of sexual assault, abuse, and sex trafficking. 54 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: Sean Diddy Combs denies all of these charges. Now when 55 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: the court of public opinion, Combs has also been accused 56 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: of a lot of other things, Okay, of grooming, of 57 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: running a large scale celebrity blackmail operation and even of murder. 58 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: Over on TikTok. With one quick search, you can find 59 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: numerous videos accusing Sean Diddy Combs of murdering his ex 60 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: wife kim Porter, of conspiring with jay Z to have 61 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: so called Becky with the Good Hair to have her oft. 62 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: There are those who accuse Sean Combs of having something 63 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: to do with the deaths of Andre Herrel and Heavy d, 64 00:03:54,240 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: even Aliyah and Whitney Houston TikTok conspiracy theories about Sean Combs. However, 65 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: they do not stop there. The hip hop mogul is 66 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: not only accused of sexually grooming underage pop stars Usher 67 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: at the time and Justin Bieber also at the time. 68 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: But you can hear and you can watch on TikTok 69 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: ai Sean Combs. You can see this artificial intelligence content. 70 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 1: You can see how do we refer to that AI content? 71 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: Doesn't sound right anyways, It's AI generated content depicting Comb's 72 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: raping and abusing Meek Mill, Bad Bunny and that fat 73 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: dude from Family Matters the Dad. Not only are you 74 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: going to get this deep fake content over on TikTok 75 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: again audio and video, you're gonna get testimony from members 76 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: of Sean Combs's inner circle, all right, mostly bodyguards and such, 77 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: testifying on video corroborating these wild conspiracy theories. Now, to 78 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: my knowledge, Sean Diddy Combs hasn't dignified these rumors. These 79 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: the wildest of these rumors were a response, and he 80 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: certainly hasn't admitted guilt in any way. And I am 81 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: in no way suggesting that he is culpable for the 82 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: wildest of these conspiracies that are being charged against Cobs 83 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: so far, other than the actual video we have showing 84 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: Sean did he Comb's viciously beating on his ex girlfriend 85 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura, who, lets remind ourselves, accused Combs of abuse. 86 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: Combs denied it, and then he settled with Cassie for 87 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: thirty million dollars a day later, and then he denied 88 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: all the subsequent abuse charges that were brought against him 89 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: after that, charges by Rodney Little, Rod Jones and others. 90 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: And then we saw and then we saw the video 91 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: of Comb's beating Cassie that not only proved that Combs 92 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: was an abuser, but it was also a proof that 93 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: he is a liar or was a liar. That he 94 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: lied about it. Okay, So aside from that evidence, however, 95 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: nothing has leaked. No other evidence has leaked. There's been 96 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,559 Speaker 1: zero other evidence proving Sean Combs is guilty in any 97 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: of these seedier, more outrageous TikTok conspiracy theories which bring 98 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: me to jay Z. Jay Z is wrapped up with 99 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: Sean Combs and a lot of these conspiracy theories as 100 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: well over on TikTok and the civil case against jay 101 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: Z that was just thrown out last week a couple 102 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: of days ago, had a lot to do with Sean Combs. Okay, 103 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: but puff it's gone. Why we don't really fully know 104 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: yet officially because of quote unquote inconsistencies with the accuser's account, 105 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: and I'm betting there was also a lack of evidence here. 106 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: But that case is dead, jay Z free and clear. 107 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: How does this relate to Sean Diddy Combs. So what 108 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: we have to ask ourselves is the actual evidence against 109 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: Sean Diddy Combs. What is there that is going to 110 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: prevent Sean Diddy Combs and his case from going puff 111 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: the way the jay Z's did. How consistent are the 112 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: accounts from Sean Diddy Combs's accusers. How consistent are those 113 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,559 Speaker 1: accounts going to be on the stand. Let's cut the chase. 114 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: What I believe that most people want, and maybe this 115 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: is just because I'm fucked up and I'm being cynical here, 116 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: but what I believe that most people want is they 117 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: want Sean Ditty Combs to be found guilty, not only 118 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: everything that he's accused of legally in that federal indictment, 119 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: but also of everything that he's accused of on TikTok. 120 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: I think there's a burning appetite in this country after 121 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: years of injustice, particularly around the Jeffrey Epstein case. There's 122 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: a yearning for justice when it comes to powerful people, 123 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: particularly famous people who've abused their power, or who we 124 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: believe to have abused their power. And I believe that 125 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: most people want these atrocious conspiracy theories to be true, 126 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: and that they want Diddy to be found guilty, and 127 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: they want all of his celebrity friends to be found 128 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,679 Speaker 1: guilty too. Lebron and Kevin, Oprah and Gail and Ellen 129 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: and Ashton and even the Donald. They're all on tape, right, 130 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: They all gotta burn alongside Ditty? Am I one of 131 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: these people? I don't know? Some days, sometimes I want 132 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: the most entertaining outcome to be true just out of 133 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: pure selfishness. The caveman part of me, I guess, wants 134 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: some vengeance, but I try to keep that instinct pretty 135 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: tamped down for the most part. You know, Ultimately, more 136 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: than anything, I don't want these stories, the crazy conspiracy 137 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,679 Speaker 1: TikTok theory, I don't want any of it to be true. 138 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: You know. 139 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: I actually think that the best outcome is that Sean 140 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: Diddy Coombs is actually innocent of what he's being accused of, 141 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: because then there's no victims, then there's no collateral damage. 142 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: I do I think that's going to happen. No, Do 143 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: I think he's guilty of what he's being accused of 144 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: on TikTok, of all these wild conspiracy theories. Do I 145 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: think that he's going to be convicted of that We're 146 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: going to find out it, you know, factually, that he 147 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: did these things and that he's going to go to 148 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: jail for them. As I teed it up at the 149 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: beginning of this episode, I don't think so. That said, 150 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: I'm not naive. Where there's smoke, there's fire, But we 151 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: have to look at the facts, especially in light of 152 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: this jay Z case being dismissed again on account of 153 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: inconsistencies with the accusers account and likely lack of evidence. 154 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: How strong is the evidence against Shandity Combs. We don't know, okay, 155 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: but we've heard nothing about evidence that the Feds have 156 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: that his legal accusers have. We've heard nothing in the 157 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: way of real evidence. I'm not talking again, I'm not 158 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: talking about the TikTok accusations. We've heard nothing and we've 159 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: seen nothing that supports any of those TikTok conspiracy theories. Nothing, 160 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: all right. All we know for sure is the following. 161 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: Shandy Combs is in jail awaiting trial. The Feds, his 162 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: accusers believe in this case. They brought the case. The 163 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: judge believes Combs is too big a threat to be 164 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: let out on bail. We don't know what the evidence is. 165 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: We can only assume it supports the sexual assault, the abuse, 166 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: the sex trafficking, and the RICO charges that the federal 167 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: government is charging him with as of yet. As of late, 168 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: no other high profile friends of Sean Combs have been 169 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: legally accused, except for jay Z, who had the case 170 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: thrown out again for inconsistencies from his accuser is Sean 171 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: Didty Comb's going to be found guilty when he stands 172 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: trial in two months. I don't know. Do I think 173 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: we're going to get earth shattering evidence that incriminates not 174 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: only Combs but also his A list celebrity friends in 175 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: crimes that are unspeakable in most places except for the 176 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: dark corners of TikTok At this point, judging by what 177 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: went down with the jay Z case, and giving that 178 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: there's been no again there's been no other actual evidence 179 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: released or leaked to suggest otherwise, I really don't think so. However, 180 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: this is still America, and just like Sean Didty, Combs 181 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: maintains his right to plead the fifth so as not 182 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 1: to incriminate himself, I maintained the right to change my 183 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: mind new evidence. I'm not a dumb ass, but this 184 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: is where I'm at at the moment. This jay Z 185 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: thing threw me. I did not see this coming. I 186 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: did not see this thing getting thrown out. So that's 187 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: where we're at. I haven't done a Diddy update in 188 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: a while. That's the Diddy update you know again out 189 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: here throwing it at you guys because of the jay 190 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: Z news. Thought I should bring it up. It's definitely changed, 191 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: adjusting the way that I'm thinking. It's definitely affecting the 192 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: way that I'm thinking I should say. But I'm interested 193 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: to know what you guys think, all right, So hit 194 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 1: me up and let me know what do you think 195 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: is going to happen here with Sean Combs. Now, I 196 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: mentioned it at the top of the show, the injustice 197 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: surrounding Sid Vicious' death. We get into that in this 198 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: week's full episode on Sid and Nancy, a classic Love 199 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: Kills episode of disgrace slaying that we brought back for 200 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: Valentine's Day. Now, the Oscars they're coming up, and with 201 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: it being Valentine's Day, so the Valentine's Day Day season, 202 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: I guess we have another wild love Kills them story. 203 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: But again because the Oscars are coming, this love Kills 204 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: themed episode comes from Hollywood. It's on Dorothy Stratton. Now, 205 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: if you do not know who Dorothy Stratton is, do 206 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: not let that stop you from listening. Dorothy was the 207 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: next big thing, a true beauty, a perfect ten a 208 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: dime spot, a woman so gorgeous. Playboy Hugh Hefner called 209 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: her the next Marilyn Monroe. All right. That was the 210 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: promise of Dorothy Stratton's burgeoning Hollywood career, and then it 211 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: all ended quickly, violently, and disastrously. And I'm not going 212 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: to spoil it, but let's just say that this story 213 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: is so compelling. It's inspired multiple films, including by the 214 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: Great Bob Fosse his excellent Star eighty with Eric Roberts, 215 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: and also multiple songs like the Red Hot Chili Pepper's Californication, 216 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: Brian Adams's Cuts like a Knife. So check out this 217 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: episode on Dorothy Stratton, and then and then, and then, 218 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: and then the following episode before we talk again in 219 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: the next after party. You're gonna get another episode that's 220 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: coming on Tuesday. It's Oscar themed as well. It is 221 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: the wild story about the murder that director Martin Scorsese 222 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: did not commit. The murder Martin Scorsese needed his friends 223 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: Steven Spielberg and others to talk him out of on 224 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: one legendary Hollywood night. This might be my favorite episode yet. 225 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: It might be my favorite episode that I've written. Okay, 226 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: I love it that much and I cannot wait for 227 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: you to hear it. I wanted to tell this one 228 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: for a while. The story is legendary in Hollywood. It 229 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: was rumored to be true forever, but it wasn't confirmed. 230 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino would speak about it from time to time, 231 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: and then in twenty fourteen, I believe Scorsese and Spielberg 232 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: appeared together and confirmed it. It's a vicious story of 233 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: violence and creative obsession and artistic commitment, and it involves 234 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: some of the greatest directors, not only of the seventies 235 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: but just from Hollywood history in general. When you're listening 236 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: to it, I want you to be thinking of this, 237 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: Who is your favorite filmmaker and why which director? Martin Scorsese, 238 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: Steven Spielberg, Brian DePalma, any of the guys from this episode. 239 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: This episode guys, it's like remember the Muppet mupp Babies. 240 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: It's like Muppet babies for awesome Hollywood directors. This is 241 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: about Scorsese, Spielberg, Brian de Palma, John Millius, Paul Schrader. 242 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: When they're all just you know, coming up in the 243 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: in the seventies. It's it's like their origin story in 244 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: a way. That's the backdrop. Anyways, it's really solely about 245 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: Martin Scorsese. But all these guys are characters in it, 246 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: and it just begs the question, the question that I 247 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: want you to be thinking about when you're listening to 248 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: this episode, which is which director slash filmmaker makes the 249 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: movies that resonate most with you and why I want 250 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: to know let me know six one seven nine oh 251 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: six six six three eight voicemail and text at Disgrace 252 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: lampod on the Socials. That's going to be the question 253 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: of the week next week, relative to our episode on 254 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: Martin Scorsese coming this Tuesday, however, but before that, you're 255 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: getting that Dorothy Stratton episode. Don't forget that. I'm gonna 256 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: be back in a flash with the answers to last 257 00:14:50,400 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: week's Question of the week right after this. All right, 258 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: we are back. 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All right six one seven nine oh six 312 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: six six three eight to leave me a voicemail, send 313 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: me a text. You can also reach me at Disgrace 314 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: lampod on Instagram, Facebook, and x relative two. This week's 315 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: episode on Sit and Nancy, we asked the question which 316 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: celebrity couples were the most toxic and this is what 317 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: we heard back from you, guys, ad on Instagram. Rights. Hey, hi, 318 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: Jake Ad from the four one to ero with my 319 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: contribution for the worst and roll couple, Which rock and 320 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: roll couple could possibly be worse? And the ultra cringey 321 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: couple of Jerry Lee Lewis and his thirteen year old 322 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,959 Speaker 1: cousin Myra Gale. Hard to fault Myra Gale in this 323 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: whole thing, not that you're doing that four one zero, 324 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: but you know she was thirteen and uh what a 325 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: whirl win that stirred up. I hear you great one 326 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: name and you know, awesome for us to be able 327 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: to call back to our Jerry le Lewis episode. You 328 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: guys can check that out. That's in the archive. You 329 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: have not heard it yet. That is the very first 330 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: episode of Disgrace Sland. Chris Hillman on Spotify chimes in 331 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: on this topic, writing, Hey, Jake, didn't know much about 332 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: this story, but o MG crazy. I mean, Sid beats 333 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: the murder rap for killing Nancy and then his mother. Basically, well, 334 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give it away for you guys here. 335 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: What didn't see this coming at all? Awesome episode, love 336 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: definitely kills. As for worst rock and roll couples, my 337 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: pick is Pam and Tommy loved this podcast, Chris and 338 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 1: everyone else. I've long wanted to do a Pam and 339 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: Tommy episode, and maybe that's in the future. There's so 340 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: much so I did a Motley Crue episode. There's so 341 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: much more there, though, and a Pam and Tommy episode 342 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: might be a way in. All right, let's hear from 343 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: the five to four to oh on Sid and Nancy. 344 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: Hey Jake, this is justin from the five four zero. 345 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 2: I just finished listening to the didn't Nancy episode. I'm 346 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: only listening to that thing like four times probably, but 347 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: that is some of your best work. That is amazing. 348 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, It's just the way you tell 349 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 2: the story. It comes across so vividly and so just 350 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 2: I mean, the utter despair and grit and grime of 351 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: nineteen seventies London, nineteen seventies New York. It was all 352 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 2: just you know, a complete shit show. But they had 353 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: some of the best music in the whole damn world. 354 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 2: And that's what Mike said, all right, But I appreciate 355 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 2: your story telling, man, I like that story. Rock and Rolling. 356 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: Justin thanks to your voicemail, Man, happy you're digging the 357 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: grime and the crime and the CID and the Nancy story. 358 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: Appreciate your call and appreciate your listening. Six one seven 359 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight. I talked last 360 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: week a little bit about and I think I did 361 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: it only in the Yeah, I did. I did the 362 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: recommendations in the exclusive portion of the after party, so 363 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: you guys missed out if you're not All Access members. 364 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: But I gave some Valentine's recommendations, and one of them 365 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: I won't I'll share it now because Valentine's Day has 366 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: passed for the most part, I mean, I mean those 367 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: still some of us celebrating, you know, for the lovers 368 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: out there, I recommended Rocky as one of my favorite 369 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: love stories and eight to eight rights and hey, Jake, 370 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: I cannot agree with you. More on the Rocky love story. 371 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: When I proposed to my wife, I used Rocky's proposal 372 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: to Adrian voice and all. It was awesome piece Lee 373 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: in the four one two Lee. That is some serious 374 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: Rocky commitment there, proposing to your wife and the visistalone. 375 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: Boyd you want to get married to? What? Okay, let's 376 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: see what else we got here? All right? More on 377 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: Prince versus Michael Jackson. This one won't die three h 378 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: two writes in I will die on the hill of 379 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: not being able to compare Prince and Michael Jackson. Sure 380 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: they were of the same time, Sure they benefited from MTV, 381 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: but what they did was colossally different. MJ was a 382 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: pop singer and dancer. Prince was a musician. He played 383 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: the instruments and all styles of music. He was pop, rock, soul, funk, jazz, blues, 384 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: and sprinkled gospel and even did at least one rap. 385 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: There's styles as musicians were hugely different. Okay, there's styles. 386 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: Weren't that different. I mean, come on, you're really really 387 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: nippicking here. I think to say that Prince and Michael 388 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: Jackson's styles were did you say colossally different, hugely different? Yeah? Man, 389 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like this is like saying 390 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: you can't compare Pedro Martinez to Manny Ramirez because one 391 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: guy was a pitcher and the guy was a hitter. 392 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: They both played during the same time, they both contributed 393 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: to the game at the same time. Who would you 394 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: rather have on your team? Type of thing? Right, you 395 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, 396 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm in the wrong. I like, you know, I 397 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: like this. I like this one, Prince versus Michael Jackson. 398 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: You guys like it too. Keep it coming, all right? 399 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: This one comes from the three to two three. Hey man, 400 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: Spike here from Hollywood. I just wanted to say thank 401 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: you for your show. I was raised on rock and roll. 402 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 1: Mom's a hippie, dad was a biker, and growing up, 403 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: my father used to tell me stories about all the 404 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: rock stars we love, Janis, Jimmy, Mick, Keith, David, Iggy, 405 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: Lou Courtney, Kurt, etcetera. Stories about all the messed up 406 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: shit they did and whether they survived or didn't. It 407 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: was basically the premise of your podcast. Anyway, my father 408 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: died three years ago and I just wanted to say 409 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: thank you for keeping that part of him alive. For me, 410 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: feels like I'm with him when I listened to your show. PS, 411 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: if you can give a shout out to my cap 412 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: Bam bam, he would very much appreciate that. Thanks again, brother. Oh, 413 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: I guess the shout out to my dad wherever he 414 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: is now. That would be good too. That's in the 415 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: three two three three two three shout out to you 416 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: your dad and Bam bam. Appreciate the listening, appreciate the text. 417 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight. 418 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: You guys want to hit me up voicemail and text 419 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: next week's question of the week. Remember, I'm looking for 420 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: answers from you guys relative to our upcoming episode on 421 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: Martin Scorsese, and it is this question, who is your 422 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: favorite filmmaker and why? Which director slash filmmaker makes the 423 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: movies that resonate most with you and why? I want 424 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: to know Hit me up six one seven nine oh 425 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: six six six three eight voicemail and text. At Disgrace 426 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: lam Pod on the Socials, I'm back in a flash 427 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: with your emails reviews, the Story of the Week, and 428 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: for our All Access members, a sneak peek at our 429 00:23:43,000 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: upcoming exclusive Stevie ray Vaughn episode Back in a Flash. 430 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: Welcome back the Disgraceland's Story of the Week. Listen you 431 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: know this. It can be any story from your rock 432 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: and roll past or from rock and roll history that 433 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: you think best represents the rock and roll spirit and 434 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: that you want to share with us here in Disgraceland. 435 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: This week's Story of the Week is extra special because 436 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: it entails our sid in Nancy episode, and it comes 437 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: from a gentleman named Knox Bronson. Hey, Jake, let me 438 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: first say how much I enjoy Disgraceland. I love every 439 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: single episode. I just listened to your sid Vicious podcast 440 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: and I wanted to share something with you. Twenty years 441 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: ago or so, I read a blog post by Don 442 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: Eden telling the story of when, as a young woman, 443 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: she was hanging out in Washington Square Park and met 444 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: a junkie named John Spacely. John Spacey told her that 445 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: if she would loan him ten dollars, he would tell 446 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: her who really killed Nancy Spongent. He told her who 447 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: the real murderer was. But the reader of this blog post. 448 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: Me had to write to her to see who it was, 449 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: so naturally I did. And again, guys, this is Knox 450 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: Bronson saying me, not me. The story week goes on. 451 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: The email goes on at the time she was an 452 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: ex party girl turned Christian blogger. We had a short correspondence. 453 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: I shared my own John Spacely stories. She has since 454 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: turned into a fairly successful author. So the emailer goes 455 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: on to say, fifty years ago or more, I knew 456 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,479 Speaker 1: John Spacely in Berkeley, California. He was always a character. 457 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: He moved to LA at some point. When David Bowie 458 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: took his Diamond Dogs tour to Los Angeles in nineteen 459 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: seventy four, a bunch of us flew down to see 460 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: the show, staying at the Continental Hyatt. I think some 461 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: of the details of the seventies are foggy. Anyway, Spacely 462 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: and I and a couple of other people were drinking 463 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: in the bar the morning of the show and decided 464 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: at eleven am to go up to Spacely's room and 465 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: drink some more. We got on the elevator and Iggy 466 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: Pop was standing at the back, chin on his chest. 467 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: Spacely said, Hey, Jim, how's it going. Iggy shook his 468 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: head and grunted something, and Spacely said, you've been doing drugs. 469 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: Same response, You've been drinking. Same response. So Spacely, I 470 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: did Iggy up to his room and we all went 471 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: there and had a few beers or whatever. And I 472 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: doubt Iggy remembers, but I'll never forget it. John Spacey 473 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: was a cool guy. It's really too bad the needle 474 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: gut him. Here's a promo of the movie he was in. Okay, 475 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: so there's a lot more. Here goes on to say 476 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: that Spacely was briefly the publisher of Punk Magazine until 477 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: the drugs took him over. Anyways, he finishes the story 478 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: by saying that John Spacely told the blogger Don Eden 479 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: that Sid Vicious was innocent and it was Sid in 480 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: Nancy's drug dealer who killed Nancy while she was knotted off. 481 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: Could it be Thanks again, Knox Bronson Knox, thank you 482 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: very much. This story jive somewhat with the story that 483 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: I've long since heard people have been actually writing this 484 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: on commenting publicly on our recent Instagram post on Sid 485 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: Vicious about who who really killed Nancy. Our episode deals 486 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: more with who killed Sid, but there's there's long been 487 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: rumors that it was a drug dealer, perhaps another junkie. 488 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna to get into their names here, but 489 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,719 Speaker 1: if you want to go onto my Instagram account and 490 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: you can just look through the content there and you 491 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: can see who people are naming. There's one name that 492 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: keeps coming up. I have not heard John Spacely's name 493 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: before here. I'm not saying that John Spacely had anything 494 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: to do with this. I'm not trying to represent Don 495 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: Eden's commentary as being the truth here, but I think 496 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: it's interesting because one of the conspiracy involves a name 497 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: that some of you will recognize and a nameless junkie. 498 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 1: John Spacely could very well be that nameless junkie. I 499 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: don't know, but this story, the death of Nancy Spongeen 500 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: and how she actually died, probably deserves some more investigation anyway. Knox, 501 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: thanks for your email. We appreciate it thanks to the 502 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: story of the Week. If you would like your story 503 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: of the week featured in next week's episode of Disgrace 504 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: sand hit me up email my Disgrace sandpod at gmail 505 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: dot com. And if you want to support the show, 506 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: you know how to do it. You can leave a 507 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: review for the podcast for Disgrace sland Over on Apple 508 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: Podcasts or Spotify Reviews help with discovery of the show. 509 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Helps us get the word out there, 510 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: helps the algorithm promote the show. And each week I'll 511 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: read one review from Apple Podcasts and one from Spotify, 512 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,479 Speaker 1: And if I happen to read your review, you can 513 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: get in touch with me and I will send you 514 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: some merch a pin, perhaps a shirt, perhaps, I don't know. 515 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes I even send out a book if I'm feeling 516 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: in the mood, and yes, I sign it. Okay, So, 517 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: Christina Tucker on Spotify wrights on reaction to the Louis 518 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: Armstrong episode from last week. Best episode yet, phenomenal research 519 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: and excellent commentary. Thanks for the name drops. Personally, I 520 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: love going down history rabbit holes. You got it, Christina, 521 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: Thanks for the review. MKE two one nine over on 522 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: Apple podcast Rights. This is a top shelf show. Five stars. 523 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: I've been listening to Disgrace sand for a few months now, 524 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: and it's only now just occurred to me what Jake's 525 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: real superpower is. The show is well written and produced, 526 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: It's the perfect length, and the topics are varied, but 527 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: where Jake really shines is in his ability to make 528 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: musicians and genres i'd normally not give a second chance 529 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: come to life and be interesting in a way that 530 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: I'd not thought possible. If you have even a passing 531 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: interest in music, this show is for you. MK E 532 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,239 Speaker 1: two one nine, Thank you very much. I read your 533 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: review to remind everybody here listening. You may not know 534 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: who Dorothy Stratton is. You may not have known what 535 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: Star eighty was, or Eric Roberts or Bob Fosse or 536 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: Hugh Hefner or any of that, but you're gonna want 537 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: to listen to this episode coming up next to the feed. 538 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: And same goes for Martin Scorsese. If by chance, you're 539 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: just not a movie person. You don't know who Martin 540 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: Scorsese is. I don't care. You're gonna want to listen 541 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: to this episode. Don't take my word for it. Take 542 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: m K E two one nine. All right, he slash 543 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: she whomever is speaking the truth this episode. Guys, it's 544 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: nearing its end, but the after party continues for all 545 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: of our All Access members. We're gonna keep rolling here. 546 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about Stevie Ray Vaughan. The next All 547 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: Access episode coming your way. I'm gonna tell you a 548 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: little story. I'm gonna elaborate on a story from that 549 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: episode that's coming up next week. That's happening in the 550 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,239 Speaker 1: bonus section of this episode. You want access to that, 551 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: gotta go to Disgrace sampod dot com slash membership. Sign 552 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: up for five bucks a month to be an All 553 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: Access member. Get that extra bonus episode content, get that 554 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: ad free listening, get that exclusive episode per month. Sign 555 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:33,719 Speaker 1: up at Disgrace lampod dot com slash membership. All right, 556 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: we are back, guys. We didn't mention a lot of 557 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: previously covered artists in this episode, aside from jay Z 558 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: and Diddy, I do want to call out our led 559 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: Zeppelin episode from our archive and invite all of you 560 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: to re listen to that story. Given that The Mighty 561 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: Zeppelin are currently burning up movie theaters across the country 562 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: right now. If they're a new documentary which I cannot 563 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: wait to see, I hope you guys have seen it. 564 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: I hope we get to talk about it here in 565 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: the after party here in the Patreon. So check that 566 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: led Zebelin episode out as well as David Bowie episode, 567 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: because both Jimmy Page figures prominently into both of those episodes. 568 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: So let's recap, shall we. Number one, I want your story, 569 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: Call me, text me, hit me up on the social 570 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: six one seven nine O six six six three eight 571 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: Get me your favorite story of rock and roll animalism 572 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: might be our story of the week, story about any 573 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: rockstar that you're aware of, something you may have experienced 574 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: in person, something you may have heard about from rock 575 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: and roll history. And when you hit me up, let 576 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: me know who you are, where you're emailing from as well, 577 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: and how long you've been listening to disgrace Line Number 578 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: two right now in your feed our episode on Sid 579 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: and Nancy. Number three coming tomorrow, our episode on Dorothy Stratton, 580 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: and next week our episode on Martin Scorsese. It's our 581 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: part two episode on Martin Scorsese. Basically, you know it's 582 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 1: him becoming his taxi driver character. You're not gonna want 583 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: to miss it. Number four, merch winners, get in touch. 584 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: You know who you are. Number five, Remember, no one 585 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: cares about preserving the true spirit or rock and roll 586 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: more than you do. And well that's a disgrace, all right. 587 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: This week's episode subject sid Vicious died on February second, 588 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, and in honor of Si, here are 589 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: the Billboard charts from that day. Number one Ley Freak 590 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: by Chic last week one peak position one weeks on 591 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: chart fifteen number two YMC A Village People last week 592 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: three peak position two weeks on chart sixteen number three. 593 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: Do you Think I'm Sexy? Last week four? Peak position 594 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: is three weeks on charts on seven number four. A 595 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: Little More Love Olivia Newton Johns last week is six 596 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: peak peak position sheeks four weeks on chart number eleventh, 597 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,479 Speaker 1: number five seven Too Much Heaven last speaches last peak 598 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: position one People Freaks on chart number six My Life, 599 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: Quit talking and start mixing. You want to get married 600 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: or what