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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Oh, good morning, happy Saturday to you. As we have

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Speaker 2: drama all over the sports world here in the playoffs NHL.

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Speaker 2: Last night a little double overtime extravaganza. It wasn't even

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Speaker 2: a shot in double overtime? Is Brad Marshan scored evens

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Speaker 2: that series one game apiece? And how about the drama

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Speaker 2: from Game one in the NBA Finals? Huh Pacers trailed

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Speaker 2: by fifteen points.

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Speaker 3: No worries. They still came back and won.

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Speaker 2: I swear They're like the zombies of the sports world

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 3: You cannot kill the Indiana Pacers.

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Speaker 2: They just keep coming back, coming back, and they take

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Speaker 2: a one nothing series lead. As we get you all

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Speaker 2: set for tomorrow in Game two NBA Finals, But first off,

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Speaker 2: how you guys doing, Jared Rich?

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Speaker 3: Everything good with you, guys?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, life's good. And I think what you said and

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Speaker 4: I'll just jump jump all over the opportunity before we

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Speaker 4: hear from Jared here is absolutely right. The Pacers have

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Speaker 4: made for some of the most entertaining postseason moments, and

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Speaker 4: the ratings are what they are when you have, you know,

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Speaker 4: two teams from Middle America, from cities that you know,

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Speaker 4: not many you know, in our very busy coasts hail

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Speaker 4: from and in terms of sports interests generally don't generate

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Speaker 4: as much. I feel like people are missing out because

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Speaker 4: this has been a pretty exciting postseason and I think

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Speaker 4: this sets up to be a pretty exciting finals.

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Speaker 5: People are definitely missing out because we saw the ratings

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Speaker 5: in Game one into the lowest ratings in the Nielsen

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Speaker 5: era outside of the two COVID Finals in twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: and twenty twenty one, and I we knew this was

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Speaker 5: going to happen. I mean, it's just it's inevitable when

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Speaker 5: you have two teams. And I don't want to say no

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Speaker 5: one cares about, but the broader sense, like the average

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Speaker 5: sports fan, not the average NBA fan, The average NBA

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Speaker 5: fan is going to watch the finals no matter what.

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Speaker 5: The average sports fan, the average Joe and Jane throughout

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Speaker 5: this country that are like, oh, it's the it's the

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Speaker 5: championship round of of of basketball. Let's let's turn on

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Speaker 5: the old TV and check who are Pacers and Thunder?

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Speaker 4: Like what?

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Speaker 5: I think that is the general consensus, and it is

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Speaker 5: very unfortunate because I think when you look at this

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Speaker 5: series on the surface, you might like, eh, and then

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Speaker 5: you actually watch not only what took place the other night,

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Speaker 5: but what's taking place as to pro season, especially with

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Speaker 5: Indiana drama like this is like they are must see TV,

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Speaker 5: the Pacers are must see TV. And Oklahoma City is

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Speaker 5: the deep the best deepest team you know, historically good defense.

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Speaker 5: So I do think there are some things that the

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Speaker 5: average sports fan could take with them.

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Speaker 1: But it just hasn't resonated yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too bad because game one is off the charge.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that you can do much better entertainment

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Speaker 2: value wise or interest wise.

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Speaker 3: I get everything you explained there.

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Speaker 2: Jared totally understand it, because the casual fan is like,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, the Knicks or the Lakers or the

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Speaker 2: brand established names aren't in it, and they're like not interested.

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Speaker 2: But that's a shame because Game one was off the

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Speaker 2: charts and Indiana does it again. It's crazy, man. They

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Speaker 2: reminded me of Teddy kgbing Rounders.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I know you guys are big Rounders fans, right, but

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Speaker 2: Halliburton is kind of Matt Damon over here is Mike

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Speaker 2: mcdee from Rounders. This is what Teddy KGB said in

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Speaker 2: that movie.

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Speaker 4: Hanging around, hanging around kids, got allegates or blood, can't

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Speaker 4: get rid of him?

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Speaker 3: Is that not Halliburton? In these playoffs?

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Speaker 4: My guns?

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Speaker 2: How many huge shots he's hit and he hit another

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Speaker 2: game winner. The Pacers led for point three seconds in

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Speaker 2: Game one and won the game somehow, think about that?

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Speaker 2: So the thunder led for forty seven minutes fifty nine

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Speaker 3: Can't do the rest of the math here, But.

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Speaker 2: Indiana only led for point three That's insane and they

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Speaker 4: Crazy well, almost the wire to wire loss. They find

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Speaker 4: a way to get it done in game one, and

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Speaker 4: it is the mark of a team that and we

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Speaker 4: know this about the Indiana Pacers that has a little

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Speaker 4: bit of that alligator blood. They have a little bit

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Speaker 4: fight mentality, and that is a part of the team's DNA.

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Speaker 4: You know. I remember sitting in meetings team meetings with

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Speaker 4: was the first time I've ever heard of coach be

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Speaker 4: so descriptive about this. Obviously this has talked about a lot,

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Speaker 4: but he was very descriptive about this, and I think

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Speaker 4: it because the Patriots have had so much success during

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Speaker 4: that time. I was drafted in two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 4: played with them for three seasons, and so we were

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Speaker 4: in a slot where we're doing some special things, right.

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Speaker 4: But he said, the team from last year is gone.

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Speaker 4: This is the two thousand and nine New England Patriots.

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Speaker 4: There's going to be no other team like us. There

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Speaker 4: will be, and we are not like any other team

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Speaker 4: that's ever existed. This is brand new and we've got

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Speaker 4: to treat it that way. So whatever happened last season,

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Speaker 4: that's gone. Whatever you felt about last season, that's gone.

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Speaker 4: We've learned lessons those of you who have been here,

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Speaker 4: but many of you haven't, and we're going to learn

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Speaker 4: many more together. And it was like it was a

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Speaker 4: very obvious, like, hey, we're drawing a line. You know,

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Speaker 4: we're walking through a new threshold. We're leaving everything in

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Speaker 4: the past. And so as a team, each season, you've

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Speaker 4: got to create an identity. Who are we? You know

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Speaker 4: at that point the two thousand and nine Patriots, Well,

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you who the twenty twenty five Indiana Pacers are.

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Speaker 4: This is a team that you cannot count out of

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Speaker 4: any situation and time and time. I mean, just look

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Speaker 4: at the postseason. You get all the information that you need.

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Speaker 4: There have been plenty of data points to look to.

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Speaker 4: They are the zombies of the NBA postseason. And I

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Speaker 4: don't know how you kill him, but whatever Okase did

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's there's been a lot of like the Windyana Pacers.

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Speaker 5: I heard our buddy Rob Parker say that yesterday. I

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Speaker 5: with so many names. It was a really interesting interview.

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Speaker 5: It was Malika Andrews interviewing Sga. It was on the

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Speaker 5: pregame show the other night, and she asked him a question.

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Speaker 1: How do you define a star?

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Speaker 5: You know that's been all the talk in the league lately,

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Speaker 5: especially you know when you don't have guys like Kolbe

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Speaker 5: How would you define a star? And Sga kind of

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Speaker 5: danced around the answer. I'll tell you how I would

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Speaker 5: define it, no matter what the situation is, regardless if

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Speaker 5: you've had a good game, if you've had a bad game,

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Speaker 5: if you're sick, if you're tired, your girlfriend just broke.

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Speaker 4: Up with you.

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Speaker 5: When the moment calls, when the stage is bright and

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Speaker 5: it's time for you to deliver, you deliver. And that's

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Speaker 5: to me what Tyre's Haliburton's done. He that was a

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Speaker 5: very nondescriptive, very average game.

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Speaker 1: I don't even.

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Speaker 5: Recall him making a wow kind of play up until

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Speaker 1: But when the ball was in his hand in those.

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Speaker 5: Final seconds and Indiana was down a point, you knew

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Speaker 5: had a good game before that. And I think that

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Speaker 5: is to me the death definition of a star. And it's,

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Speaker 5: times throughout the postseason, has had kind of games and

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Speaker 5: then in the fourth quarter, in those big moments, figured

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Speaker 5: to me, that is the definition of a star. And

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Speaker 5: Tyres Haliburton might not embody that star power throughout the

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Speaker 5: but so far in the clutch moments of this playoffs.

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Speaker 1: He has been a star man.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy too, because the Pacers, they were the bad

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Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter where you just can't kill them.

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Speaker 2: But they were the bad zombies in the first half.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen turnovers in one half of basketball. It's insanity, and

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Speaker 2: then they won that same game. You can't really make

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Speaker 2: I thought too after the game. I thought about this.

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Speaker 2: You guys can relate to it as sports betters, but

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Speaker 2: that's the interesting thing, and sometimes the horrifying thing about

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Speaker 2: make as much sense before the game. So think about

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Speaker 2: after game one, what was the explanation, man, Pacers are clutch,

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Speaker 2: They're comfortable in tight games. They just won't die, you know,

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Speaker 2: YadA YadA, Halliburton, give him his flowers, that sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: But think back before the game even started. Okase, he's

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Speaker 2: favored by nine and a half. They've been the best

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Speaker 2: of the Pacers are clutch, they're comfortable in tight games.

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Speaker 2: You might have brushed that to the side, like the

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Speaker 2: not even matter in game one. So that's the funny thing.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what ended up happening. But if someone were

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Speaker 2: That's the crazy thing about sports betting is that the

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Speaker 2: end of the game explanation you might be like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: see minus the points in this one, you know.

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Speaker 4: And something that really has no significance on where you

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Speaker 4: spend your money and how you adjudicate how a series

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Speaker 4: is going to go, or a game is going to go,

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Speaker 4: how microscopic you'll break things down in your portfolio. The

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Speaker 4: way I answer that question, we were just discussing what

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Speaker 4: is a star? If I'm SGA, well, the way I

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Speaker 4: would answer it, and this wouldn't defame me, if I'm

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Speaker 4: Shake Gildriss Alexander, it wouldn't defame anybody in the league.

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Speaker 4: It's just the truth. A star is somebody who rises

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Speaker 4: above the sport they playing. A star is somebody who

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Speaker 4: becomes part of the zeitgeist outside of basketball or football

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Speaker 4: or baseball. Like that's what a star is. Like Lebron,

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Speaker 4: love him or hate him, is a star. He's polarizing

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Speaker 4: He's risen above basketball, you know, I mean, he's in movies.

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Speaker 4: It's just that's a star.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: Kawhi Leonard is a great basketball player. He's a great

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Speaker 4: I mean, Tyrese Halliburton, he's a great basketball player, SGA

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Speaker 4: great basketball player. Those three are not stars. And you

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Speaker 4: know we're talking about MVPs and NBA Finals, MVPs and champions.

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Speaker 4: In that three person collection, none of them are stars.

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Speaker 4: None of them cut through the zeitgeist. All three of

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Speaker 4: them are great basketball players, but they don't have star power.

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Speaker 4: Kobe had star power, Michael Jordan had star power. Those

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Speaker 4: that's a star. That's what a star looks like. We

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with that on the on the the

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Speaker 5: I'll be honest, man, when I watch Haliburton take those

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Speaker 5: and on average, it's just not going to move the

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Speaker 5: If the Pacers pull off one of the most this

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Speaker 5: Nobody thought Indiana had a stone's throw in hell to

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Speaker 5: but I can still I still see them winning in five.

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Speaker 5: But if they figure out a way, like this is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, here, here's the best way I could. I could

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Speaker 4: it's your own subjectivity that influences this definition. So I'll

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Speaker 4: I mean, SGA, I mean no, thank you. DNP did

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Speaker 4: what a star looks like. And now again, what you're

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Speaker 4: it and I agree with you, but I just don't

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Speaker 2: I'll say real fast where It's funny if if you

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Speaker 2: put the Pacers you can play the same game with them, right.

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Speaker 2: What you just said about Halliburn and Jared is he's

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Speaker 2: look at the Pacers, right, Are they a star team?

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Speaker 2: You'd say no, But they fit the definition of what

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Speaker 2: you laid out there, right, Like how many huge shots

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Speaker 2: They've just come back time and time again, all these deficits.

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Speaker 2: The latest one was Game one against OKC. They were

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Speaker 2: and you're thinking, wow, three minutes and teams that were

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Speaker 2: Pacers came back and beat OKC in Game one, that's insanity.

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Speaker 2: So the Pacers might fit that definition also of what

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Speaker 2: a lot of that has to do with where they play.

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Speaker 2: If you put the same team and you put Halliburton,

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Speaker 1: That's a great that's a great point. It's a tough point.

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Speaker 2: Could you imagine Nicks fans talking about Halliburton hitting all

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, You're like.

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Speaker 5: I try to do it with Brunston and he's and listen,

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Speaker 5: I love Jalen Brunton.

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Speaker 1: He's not a star either.

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Speaker 4: Guys, he's not. I agree with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's wild, but you know, unfortunately, the team

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Speaker 2: That would be Aaron Rodgers. He's finally agreed to sign

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Speaker 2: Innuendos of like, hey, if you checked out the Bears

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Speaker 2: He's finally there, So all the teasing, all that side

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Speaker 2: to go far, far away, that's not going to be

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Speaker 3: I'll just say this, Fellas.

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Speaker 2: This reminds me so much of Brett Farv, and people

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Speaker 3: Said the same thing then that I'll say now.

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Speaker 2: Is I don't like all the high maintenance, unnecessary drama,

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Speaker 2: But would you rather have Mason Rudolph be the Steelers

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Like all the nightmare stuff, I think that's mostly off

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Speaker 3: It, but they are okay.

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Speaker 2: He might have an annoyance here or there, but I

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Speaker 2: much more interesting than anybody the Steelers were going to

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Speaker 3: Like, ooh, what I can do with this time on.

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Speaker 2: My hands here to create some nightmares. But I think

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Speaker 4: I agree. I think that Aaron Rodgers primarily is a

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Speaker 4: he's had enough career success to I'm sure last him

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Speaker 5: him like I think I've got Obviously, we've got guys

435
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Speaker 5: like Mahomes and Lamar and Alan Burrow, Hurt Stafford, Jaydon Daniels,

436
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 5: even Jared Goff, Baker Mayfield, Jordan Love, Dak Prescott, C. J.

437
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Speaker 5: Streu to a rock purty Like, now, is that the

438
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 5: right slot for Rogers? Like maybe a notch below to

439
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 5: a but a notch above Party? Like you know, like

440
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Speaker 5: I'm trying to and I think you have to frame

441
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 5: it for what team he's playing for. He has to

442
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 5: absorb a new system in a very short period of time.

443
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 5: And I know he's a professional, although I will say,

444
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 5: in my opinion at this stage of his career, he's

445
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 5: more of a professional content creator that kind of moonlights

446
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 5: as a quarterback during the fall months. That would be

447
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 5: just just the way that I view his career right now. Like,

448
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Speaker 5: am I am I off base for putting him maybe

449
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 5: below brock Party? Or is he on the same level

450
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Speaker 5: as Brock Party? What about Tua? What about c J?

451
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Speaker 1: Stroud?

452
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Speaker 5: Like, I think that's kind of the vicinity I grade

453
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Speaker 5: him in with this Steelers team? Am I off base there?

454
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Speaker 5: Am I undervaluing him? Overvaluing him?

455
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Speaker 4: Now?

456
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Speaker 1: Do you guys think?

457
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Speaker 2: No?

458
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Speaker 3: I think that's the right round where he would be.

459
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Speaker 2: I think what's funny is if you start doing the

460
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Speaker 2: quarterback comparison thing. What stood out more to me was saying,

461
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Speaker 2: what about we always talk about what about ism with

462
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: politics and all that, but you could do that with quarterbacks.

463
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Speaker 2: And if you think about Rogers and you start comparing

464
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Speaker 2: him like Rich you were comparing his numbers to Josh Allen,

465
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Speaker 2: and it really is crazy.

466
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Speaker 3: If you just do a.

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Speaker 2: Side by side, Yeah, it's the same amount of touchdown passes,

468
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Speaker 2: like their completion percentage, like Josh Allen sixty three point six,

469
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Speaker 2: Rogers sixty three percent. So you can start playing that game.

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Speaker 2: And the thing that I would say that's different between

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Speaker 2: the two for sure is Rogers numbers were inflated a

472
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Speaker 2: bit because he had the second most passing attempts last season.

473
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Speaker 2: He had five hundred and eighty four passing attempts. That's

474
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Speaker 2: one hundred and one more passing attempts than Josh Allen.

475
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Speaker 2: Think about the yards he could put up with one

476
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Speaker 2: hundred and one more attempts, maybe the touchdowns, all that

477
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Speaker 2: sort of stuff. So now here comes to what about ism?

478
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Speaker 2: So I'm saying, well, what about Josh Allen? Well you

479
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Speaker 2: could counter that with, well what about Joe Burrow. He's

480
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Speaker 2: the guy who led the NFL in passing attempts and

481
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Speaker 2: no one says, well, I mean his numbers were inflated

482
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Speaker 2: because he threw so many times. No one says that

483
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Speaker 2: they're like, Wow, what a season from Joe Burrow, as

484
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Speaker 2: they should.

485
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Speaker 3: The thing I think with Rogers is.

486
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Speaker 2: It's so much different playing a five and twelve season

487
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Speaker 2: like he did, compared to a thirteen and four season

488
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Speaker 2: like Josh Allen. Did you know when you've got garbage

489
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: time going on and you're trailing by double digit points,

490
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: that's a completely different scenario and that can help your

491
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: stats look a lot better. So if they're in more

492
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: competitive games this season, that's going to have an impact

493
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Speaker 2: on Rogers' numbers. I just think you could do the

494
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Speaker 2: what about ism quarterback comparison game until you're blue in

495
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Speaker 2: the face, and some of it's fun, some of it's maddening.

496
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Speaker 2: But I think he's still a good quarterback. He's certainly

497
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Speaker 2: more than serviceable, I would say. But here's what it

498
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Speaker 2: boils down to. What will it take for Rogers season

499
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Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh to be considered a success? You ask yourself

500
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Speaker 2: that I think one he's got to win a playoff game?

501
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Speaker 3: Would that be enough? Think about it.

502
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Speaker 2: The Steelers haven't won a playoff game in eight years.

503
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 2: The last time Antonio Brown was doing the Facebook live video, right,

504
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: they beat the Chiefs. That's a long time ago. Like,

505
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: what was it the holding penalty? Was Eric Fisher holding

506
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: James Harrison? How long has it been since James Harrison

507
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: has been in the league. That's the last time the

508
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: Steelers won a playoff game. Would that be enough?

509
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

510
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Speaker 2: Because let's say the Steelers won a wild card game

511
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: and then they got beaten soundly the next week. Would

512
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Speaker 2: that be considered a successful season for Aaron Rodgers.

513
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Speaker 3: Probably not.

514
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Speaker 4: It's so to answer your question about the what about

515
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 4: ism part of the conversation, I agree. I think comparison

516
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 4: is kind of the thief of joy, and so I

517
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 4: usually don't like to reach for like a successful quarterback

518
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 4: and compare him to a guy who, by all measure,

519
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 4: had an unsuccessful year with a fledgling franchise, like Aaron Rodgers.

520
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 4: But the reason why this one made sense to me

521
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 4: was to and I snuck it in at the end,

522
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Speaker 4: there was to counteract the idea that, well, Aaron Rodgers

523
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Speaker 4: threw the ball so many more times than Josh Allen.

524
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Speaker 4: That's why I put in the bad throw percentage, because

525
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Speaker 4: with less throws, Josh Allen actually statistically threw more bad

526
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Speaker 4: throws than Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers was smarter with the football,

527
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Speaker 4: you know. So that's the reason why I threw that

528
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Speaker 4: comparison up, is just to prove the point that context,

529
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 4: context is everything. In the NFL, we looked at Josh

530
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Speaker 4: Allen as an MVP category or in the MVP conversation,

531
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Speaker 4: we looked at Aaron Rodgers, as you know, having one

532
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Speaker 4: foot in the grave and one foot standing on a

533
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Speaker 4: banana peel, you know what I mean. But context matters.

534
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 4: And speaking of context, like where Jared is trying to

535
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Speaker 4: find the perfect slot for Aaron Rodgers, I think the

536
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Speaker 4: bigger point we're all missing is we're still considering Aaron

537
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Speaker 4: Rodgers a top half quarterback, which means that he's a

538
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Speaker 4: playoff quarterback. And at forty plus years of the Steelers

539
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 4: for twenty million dollars for this upcoming season, got a steal.

540
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 4: I mean this is a steal. Now. Again, context matters,

541
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 4: So being a good locker room leader matters, and not

542
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 4: being a distraction matters, and all the other things that

543
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 4: come with Aaron Rodgers. Those things matter too. But if

544
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 4: we're talking just about the football side of this, I mean,

545
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Speaker 4: I know he's gonna be ready for the season. I

546
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 4: know he's gonna have the Steelers playbook down the timing

547
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 4: with every receiver that may not be there early in

548
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 4: the season because he missed out on some time with

549
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 4: them delaying this signing. But the Steelers got a top

550
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Speaker 4: half quarterback who could potentially put them in the playoffs

551
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 4: for twenty million dollars where Rock Purty is making fifty

552
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 4: plus mill this upcoming season plus signing bonus is more

553
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 4: than that. I mean, if you just look at it

554
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 4: in terms of value. Add the Steelers just got away

555
00:29:58,760 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 4: with a song.

556
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 5: Yeah the checklist. So I tweeted this out about a

557
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 5: month ago. The Steelers' offseason checklist is filling out very nicely.

558
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Speaker 5: The first thing was don't draft a quarterback early. We

559
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 5: knew that, and go back. I challenge all of you

560
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 5: go back and listen to our show the week.

561
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Speaker 1: Before the draft.

562
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Speaker 5: We called this situation playing out exactly the way that

563
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 5: it's playing out right now.

564
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Speaker 1: The Steelers are not.

565
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Speaker 5: Going to draft a quarterback early because they know that

566
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Speaker 5: they're going to sign Aaron Rodgers. They're going to draft

567
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Speaker 5: the defender early. Then they're going to replace Najie Harris.

568
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Speaker 5: They did that with Caleb Johnson. Then they're going to

569
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Speaker 5: trade away George Pickens. They did that, and then after

570
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Speaker 5: the schedule release they're going to sign Aaron Rodgers. Why

571
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Speaker 5: after the schedule release, Well, I guess maybe not the

572
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Speaker 5: actual release of the schedule, but when they're forming the schedule,

573
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Speaker 5: which was about a month or two prior. Because if

574
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Speaker 5: the Steelers signed Aaron Rodgers the day after the Super

575
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Speaker 5: Bowl and he had a full offseason with the team,

576
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Speaker 5: then that game Week one against the Jets would be

577
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Speaker 5: primetime and probably three or four five more games on

578
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,239
Speaker 5: the Steelers schedule would likely be a primetime game. And

579
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Speaker 5: what is the death of a schedule, in my opinion,

580
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 5: is when you got to play Monday night than Thursday night,

581
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 5: then Sunday night, then go back to Monday night, than

582
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 5: Thursday night, then Sunday night, and you don't get that

583
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 5: consistent Sunday Sunday Sunday Sunday schedule, which most teams cove it,

584
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Speaker 5: especially later in the year. I think that is to me,

585
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Speaker 5: the way that this schedule has played out to a

586
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 5: t like the Steelers probably this is the worst kept secret.

587
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Speaker 1: In the league for the last two months. If the

588
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Speaker 1: Steels are gonna sign Aaron Rodgers.

589
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Speaker 5: But now that it's happened and we're living in that reality, yeah,

590
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 5: you're right. Now the focus shifts to how good can

591
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 5: this Pittsburgh team be. I think we should just declare

592
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 5: September eighth, Mike Tomlin Day nine and eight. It's Mike

593
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 5: Tomlin Appreciation Day nine and eight. I don't think we're

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Speaker 5: gonna go to October seventh. I think September eighth, nine,

595
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 5: We're not gonna go ten and seven. We're gonna go

596
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 5: nine to eight. I think that is, to me, the ceiling.

597
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 5: And you look at the Steelers schedule, it is tough.

598
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 5: We talked about it when the schedule was released. Guys

599
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 5: like that stretch between weeks ten and fourteen when they

600
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 5: go Chargers Bengals at Bears, Bill's Ravens.

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Speaker 1: I mean they go on in five in that stretch.

602
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Speaker 1: Would any of you be shocked?

603
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 5: I wouldn't, so I think right now I think nine

604
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 5: wins is kind of that ceiling. Maybe they can out

605
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Speaker 5: fox the Bengals and be that second place team in

606
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Speaker 5: the AFC North. But am I crazy for saying that's

607
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 5: the ceiling? Nine and eight, ten and seven at max

608
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 5: and a second place finish in the division, maybe they

609
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Speaker 5: sneak into the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: That still feels like the ceiling for this team.

611
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Speaker 2: I think the ceiling, like the absolute ceiling ceiling best

612
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: case scenario, has got to be higher than nine and eight,

613
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Speaker 2: because I mean, that was what they were LEAs and

614
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: you probably think Aaron Rodgers is capable of putting up

615
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: better numbers than collectively with the Steel had their last season, right,

616
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: So I think that the ceiling is like a scotch

617
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Speaker 2: higher than nine to eight. I think ten and seven.

618
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Speaker 2: That's not nearly as cool as Mike Tomlin Day. What

619
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Speaker 2: is that October seventh.

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Speaker 5: I think we need to declare September eighth, September Mike

621
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Speaker 5: Tomlin Appreciation Day. Nine wins because it's always about getting

622
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 5: over five hundred. That's always the goal.

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Speaker 2: Right by the way, real fast, because you probably heard

624
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Speaker 2: about what Terry Bradshaw said about Aaron Rodgers. This is

625
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: nearly two weeks ago, but you might not have heard it,

626
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: and hearing it is hysterical.

627
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Speaker 3: I think. So this was Terry Bradshaw.

628
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Speaker 2: He was on one oh three seven The Buzz in

629
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Speaker 2: Arkansas talking about the possibility of the Steelers signing Aaron Rodgers.

630
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Speaker 3: Here you go, what do you.

631
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Speaker 4: Think about possibly Aaron Rodgers being the quarterback? That's a joke.

632
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 4: He shouldn't. That is just to me as a joke.

633
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Speaker 1: What are you going to bring him in for one year?

634
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? I mean that's raight, no.

635
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 5: Man, that guy needs to stay in California to go.

636
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Speaker 1: Thank you were and Jube one Bark and Risker to

637
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: the gods out there.

638
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: I had to go over and introduce myself to him.

639
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Speaker 6: He's not.

640
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: I had to go, Hey, Aaron, I'm Terry Bradshaw.

641
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 5: I know he knows me, but I just felt like

642
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 5: I better tell him who I am and not.

643
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 4: You know, you walk in there and you get in

644
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 4: his presence and you feel like it's gonna start snowing.

645
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 4: I love that description.

646
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Speaker 3: It's a pretty good description right there of Rogers.

647
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 2: I say, Rogers feels like the flight from Vegas.

648
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 3: You know, the flight to Vegas. They were, let's go, baby,

649
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 3: it's time to make some money here.

650
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: The flight from Vegas is like, oh my gosh, I

651
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 2: lost my money.

652
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: I'm hungover.

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Speaker 2: Right, Rogers feels like the flight from Vegas. So we'll

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Speaker 2: see how he fits in with the Steelers. It should

655
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Speaker 2: be interesting because there might be a time where he

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Speaker 2: says something on McAfee's show and Cam Hayward is like,

657
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Speaker 2: not here in Pittsburgh or what it could be a

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Speaker 2: really interesting season. Or we've got rich O Hornberger, Penn State,

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Speaker 2: all the Mi American Jared Smith FSR betting analyst, I'm

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Speaker 2: Brian now coming up next the parlay platter. Is now

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Speaker 2: the perfect time to bet the under on this stunt.

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Speaker 2: We'll see if anybody's biting. It is Fox Sports Radio's

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Speaker 3: All right, let's do this.

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Speaker 6: Check this out parlay letter.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the parlay platter. We each have one selection. We

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Speaker 2: pull it together for a greater payout.

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Speaker 3: Jared, we start with you. What is the theme and

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Speaker 3: what is your selection?

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Speaker 1: Sir?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is gonna be uh actually, I take it back,

677
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 5: It might not be our last NBASGP. There is a chance,

678
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 5: if this series does stretch past five games, that we

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00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 5: will do this again next weekend. I hope we will

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Speaker 5: do this again next Saturday for a Actually no, it's

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00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 5: gonna be yeah. Game five will be Monday, June sixteen,

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00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 5: So yeah, no matter what, we're gonna.

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Speaker 1: Do this again next weekend.

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00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 4: So that's fun.

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Speaker 1: So this will be our second to last NBASGP of

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Speaker 1: this season.

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00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go Jalen Williams five plus assists in this game.

688
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 5: I've talked about this prop a million times on this show.

689
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 5: Jalen Williams is probably my favorite assist player to bet on.

690
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 5: He's been at four and a half for pretty much

691
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 5: the entire postseason. Now he's been bumped up to five

692
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 5: and a half though. Why well, because he's had at

693
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Speaker 5: least five assists in fourteen out of seventeen playoff games.

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Speaker 1: He is very consistent.

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00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 5: You didn't have a great shooting game in Game one,

696
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 5: six for nineteen, only scored seventeen points. I think he'll

697
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 5: play better tomorrow night, and I think five assists, which

698
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 5: continues to be pretty much his floor in the playoffs,

699
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 5: we will get there again on Sunday night.

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00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 4: Give me over the mark of five rebounds for Tyrese Haliburton.

701
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 4: If you look at his rebounding percentage in the postseason

702
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 4: compared to regular season, it's ticked up. If you look

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00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 4: at the minutes in usage, obviously that's ticked up. Mixed

704
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 4: room for more rebounding over his passport postseason appearances. Three

705
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 4: of the game six or more rebounds one against the

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Speaker 4: Knicks was a twelve rebound night. Game one against Okac

707
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 4: ten rebound night night. I think Indiana matches up better

708
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 4: as a rebounding team against Okac. So give me the

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00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 4: over on the five rebounds for Haliburton.

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00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: Man, I'll tell you what.

711
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: That was one of the most stunning things that happened

712
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: in Game one, the Pacers crushing Okac on the glass.

713
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 2: They killed him in the rebounding department.

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Speaker 1: I was not anticipate discuss later.

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00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: Very nice looking forward at that.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna stick with Haliburton, and I'm gonna go I

717
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: think you could go under in a few different categories.

718
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go under and assists. Give me under eight

719
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: and a half assists.

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Speaker 4: I bet this.

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00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: In Game one it cashed.

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Speaker 2: He had five assists I forget when he got his

723
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: fifth assist and I'm like, oh gosh, we're getting a

724
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: little closer right now, and he.

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Speaker 3: Ended with five assists. Just the way OKC.

726
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 2: Plays defense does not lend itself to hell of Burton

727
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: just having high assist totals game after game, right, they

728
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: clogged the paint. They make it hard to drive. He

729
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: even said after game one, He's like, if you're just

730
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: driving without a plan, that's not a good approach against OKC.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, just drive and like I'll figure

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Speaker 2: it out. I'll kind of like jazz this thing. You know,

733
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Speaker 2: we'll go improv over here. It's not gonna work against OKC.

734
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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go under eight and a half assists.

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00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: I think you could look at a couple of markets,

736
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: maybe points, rebounds, assists under thirty and a half, just

737
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: points and assists under twenty five and a half. I like,

738
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: just flat out under assists eight and a half this spot.

739
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: So I'll take that with Ylberton.

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Speaker 5: It's not a bad little prop there because we get

741
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 5: or I guess parlay I should say, because we get

742
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 5: the you know, the reverse contrarian effect with going over

743
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 5: on one. Haliburton prop under on another three to one

744
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 5: for this parlay. And again these are relatively juicy props

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00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 5: to get The Williams assist prop is minus one seventy

746
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 5: five at bet MGM. Haliburton under assists is minus one

747
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 5: forty and then five or more rebounds for tyres is

748
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 5: minus one fifty five. So there pretty juicy props and

749
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 5: we get three to one. Not bad, and we hit

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Speaker 5: last week. By the way, let the record show that

751
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 5: our parlay platter was a winner last week at.

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Speaker 1: Over four to one. So let's go for two in

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Speaker 1: a row tomorrow night.

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00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 3: It's beautiful right there.

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Speaker 2: Nice, let's string them together over here, let's go on

756
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: a parlay winning.

757
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: Streaky who's ever said that?

758
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: Thanks d gambling?

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00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 2: All right, come it up next, this next story, it

760
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Speaker 2: might cause me to blackout in a blind rage, but

761
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Speaker 2: it should be fun for all.

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Speaker 3: We'll do that coming up.

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Speaker 2: Oh, welcome in Happy Saturday to you. We will get

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Speaker 2: to a story that might cause me to blackout in

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Speaker 2: don't win your first bet. Okay, here's the story. It's

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Speaker 2: Ohio State head coach Ryan Day. He thinks that the

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Speaker 2: Big Ten should have four automatic qualifying spots in the

776
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: college football playoff. Now, before I black out his exact quote,

777
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: here is, We're in the Big Ten, and we have

778
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Speaker 2: eighteen teams and some of the best programs in the country.

779
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: I feel like we deserve at least four automatic qualifiers

780
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: that would be in a sixteen team college football playoff model.

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00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: Here's the thing.

782
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if my voice can get gravelly enough

783
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: to accurately describe how much I hate this, you know

784
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like Bruce Buffer does the It's time.

785
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could do that with I

786
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: hate the idea of automatic qualifying teams in college football.

787
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 3: I hate it.

788
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: It's like, look, man, nothing should be automatic play a legit,

789
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: schedule win games and you'll be in. But nothing should

790
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: be promised where hey, you're the fourth best team in

791
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: the Big Ten, Well, guess what might be a down

792
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: year and your record might not be playoff worthy, but you.

793
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 3: Have an automatic spot.

794
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: I hate the idea of automatic spots from any conference

795
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: so much. Just schedule up, win games, and you will

796
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: be one of the sixteen teams guaranteed, all right, So

797
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: I don't want any guarantees outside of that.

798
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 3: It's like, just fill your resume and they're gonna vote

799
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 3: you in.

800
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: You're not gonna get screwed if you schedule up and

801
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: win a bunch of games.

802
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: This is not gonna happen.

803
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 4: I'm I'm a fan of you know, the way the

804
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 4: NFL is set up with division winners getting an auto

805
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 4: bid and a higher seed in the postseason. We talked

806
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 4: about that in the past. So if there was a

807
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 4: more equitable balance system in NCAA that they could follow

808
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 4: with college football, I would be a fan of that.

809
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 4: But they don't have that in place, so not all

810
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 4: conference winners conference champions are built equally. Now. Granted, neither

811
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 4: are division winners in the NFL, and so even with

812
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 4: a more perfect system. You have imperfections everywhere you look.

813
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 4: But I guess my point being, if the IF College

814
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 4: football or Ryan Day want to be appeased by having

815
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 4: more guarantees given to certain teams, well they need to

816
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 4: get away from this monolithic structure and get more to

817
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 4: a more broken down structure. Like at some point, maybe

818
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 4: the Big Ten needs to fracture, you know, if you

819
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 4: want to have something more balanced where there's more auto bids.

820
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 4: Maybe the Big Ten fractures into an East and a

821
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 4: West conference within the super conference that they've built. You know,

822
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 4: maybe the same thing happens with the SEC. I'm just

823
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 4: spitballing here. Maybe a North and South conference in the ACC.

824
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: We'll see, you know. I mean, that's becoming almost like

825
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 4: a Pan America conference. But it's the point I'm trying

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Speaker 4: to make is I mostly agree with you, Brian. I

827
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 4: think that what these coaches are searching for are assurances

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00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 4: because it helps them in the category of job security.

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00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 4: If if Ryan Day can make sure that as his

830
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 4: conference becomes more competitive, there are certain guarantees coming Ohio

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00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 4: State's way, knowing that he's going to be at very

832
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 4: least close to the top of the bunch every single season. Well,

833
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 4: that's the reason why he's putting up this fight. It's

834
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 4: it's serving self interest and those self interests are to

835
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 4: be one of the better teams that have an easier

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00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 4: time recruiting as a result of that.

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Speaker 5: So many things just came to mind when you said

838
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Speaker 5: the Pan American Conference. You remember the scene in basketball

839
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Speaker 5: where Dan Patrick and Kenny Mayne are going back and

840
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 5: forth about their insane play, like the crazy playoff structure

841
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 5: that had, and it's like, the Milwaukee Beers must beat

842
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 5: Indianapolis to advance to Charlotte. That's in an effort to

843
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 5: reduce their magic number to three. They can advance to

844
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Speaker 5: the National Eastern Division North.

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Speaker 1: To play like. It's just it's just the first thing

846
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Speaker 1: that came to mind.

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Speaker 5: All Right, I'm gonna do a I'm going to do

848
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 5: a translator here for we want four automatic qualifiers in

849
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 5: the playoff. Not a coincidence. Tryan that you're saying that.

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00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 5: Here's the translation. Oh crap. A few years ago, we

851
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 5: scheduled Texas in a non conference game, and now we've

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00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 5: got to play them the first week of the year.

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00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 5: And it'd be great if we could just you know,

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00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 5: have some kind of format in place where if we

855
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 5: lost that game, it wouldn't really impact our chances of

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00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 5: making the playoff. That is the translation for what Ryan

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00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 5: Day is trying to tell you.

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Speaker 1: You can't have.

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00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 5: A twelve team field and have four big ten teams, period,

860
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 5: end of story. I do think we are getting to

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00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 5: a place where the automatic qualifiers are going to be

862
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 5: structured differently. I think you have to have some kind

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00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 5: of structure in place if you're going to continue to

864
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 5: expand the playoff. I have no freakin idea what the

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Speaker 5: best solution is. Thankfully, that is not my job.

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Speaker 1: Description.

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Speaker 5: It is my job to analyze what happens once it happens,

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Speaker 5: but it is not my job to actually create the system.

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Speaker 5: We have gone back and forth about this for the

870
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 5: last three this again. There's gonna be a fourth college

871
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 5: football season. We're gonna be doing this show this fall.

872
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 5: We have been talking about this at nauseum for three years.

873
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 5: It will continue to be talked about until they figure

874
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 5: out some kind of solution that works. The problem is,

875
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 5: every single time they figure out a solution that works,

876
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 5: the goalposts get moved because they want to expand the playoff.

877
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 5: I don't know what the end result is going to be.

878
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 5: I know it's not gonna be whatever we see this

879
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 5: year or even next year.

880
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: I know they will continue to move the goalposts.

881
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 5: And I'm sure Ryan Day's opinion if he's still at

882
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 5: Ohio State in five years, when we're still expanding, this

883
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 5: thing will continue to change and evolve as the format

884
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 5: continues to change and evolve.

885
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: My point being.

886
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 5: Having some kind of dead set opinion on what you

887
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 5: think the playoffs should be now today in twenty twenty five,

888
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 5: there's just wait another year, and I'm sure your opinion

889
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 5: is going to change. I don't know what the right

890
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 5: situation is. I don't know what the right answer is.

891
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 5: I know it's not gonna be what we have now,

892
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 5: and it's gonna be fascinated to see this and continue

893
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 5: to evolve.

894
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what, man. And this is something

895
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: that Rich alluded to. That's the biggest problem with college football.

896
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: You've got a bunch of people that are looking out

897
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: for what's best for them instead of what's best for

898
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: college football. And Ryan Day is the poster child for this.

899
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: Some of the things that he said about winning four

900
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: automatic qualifying spots. It's either total bs or it's an

901
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: empty threat. Here's an empty threat. So you talked about this,

902
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 2: Jared Ohio State. They open up this season by hosting Texas.

903
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: It's a tough game. Texas is going to be one

904
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: of the best teams in college football, gonna be highly ranked.

905
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: Ryan Day said, if you don't have those automatic qualifiers,

906
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: you're less likely to play a game like we're playing

907
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: this year against Texas because it just won't make sense.

908
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: And here's the thing where this is a total empty threat. Well,

909
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 2: then why are you playing Texas this year? Are there

910
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: automatic qualifying spots this year for the Big Ten and

911
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: the College Football Playoff? There are not, So why are

912
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: you playing Texas? Like this idea of well, if we

913
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 2: don't have automatic qualifiers, we're just not gonna play Texas

914
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 2: going forward. You're playing them, now, why would why would

915
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: that automatically change going forward?

916
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: Such an empty threat? Now, this is the other thing.

917
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: So Ryan Day also said that a college football playoff

918
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 2: model with more automatic spots would benefit the sport because

919
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 2: it will incentivize stronger non conference scheduling. Right, so there's

920
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 2: some truth to this, right, but it's total bs as well.

921
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: So I'm supposed to believe. Let's just play this game

922
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: where the Big twelve they have four automatic spots and the.

923
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: Big Ten only has two.

924
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: You think Ryan Day would be like, that's cool, it'll

925
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: still incentivize stronger non conference scheduling.

926
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 3: No, it's total bs, like stop talking.

927
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: I hate your words, I hate your arguments, I hate

928
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 2: your statements because he and say, I hate your face.

929
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 3: This is what's best for Ohio State.

930
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: In the Big Ten, and I'm trying to shoehorn these

931
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: stupid arguments that people that don't read between the lines

932
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 2: are gonna buy.

933
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: Don't buy anything this dude is saying.

934
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: It's all based on what's best for Ohio State in

935
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 2: the Big Ten.

936
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 3: But some of the excuses, it's like the.

937
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 2: NFL trying to get rid of the tush push because

938
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 2: of safety reasons. It's not a safety issue, all right,

939
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: you buys will be honest to be like, we just

940
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: don't like to play, that's it.

941
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: We don't like it.

942
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: But instead they try to like shoehorn these excuses. That's

943
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: what Ryan Day is doing. And I'm sick of it.

944
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 2: I hate it.

945
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 4: It feels like an insurance policy, you know. And and

946
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 4: football is a sport and coaching the game and playing

947
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 4: the game is it feels like a sport where so

948
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 4: much caution is thrown to the win. And when you

949
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 4: hear a coach like asking for certain I don't know,

950
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 4: consolations to be made for being pretty good, you know,

951
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 4: for being pretty good, like, look, we were great this season,

952
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 4: but we're a top four, you know what I mean?

953
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 4: Like that, Those are the types of conversations where you

954
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 4: can sort of see through what's what's really happening, you

955
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Like it's people like when when

956
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 4: you are when you go full send, whether or not

957
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 4: it's the best thing for you or for your team.

958
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 4: As a fan especially, they like it when you say, hey,

959
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 4: we're gonna be the best and here's why, as opposed

960
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 4: to saying something like, well, if you honestly want my

961
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 4: thoughts on the playoff system, I think we should have

962
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 4: more auto bits from the Big ten, you know, just

963
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 4: in case we have a one off season where we're

964
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 4: a little shaky at quarterback. You know, It's like, it

965
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 4: doesn't it doesn't encourage the listening audience or the fan base,

966
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 4: the Buckeye faithful to say to themselves like, oh, this

967
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 4: is a guy who feels a secure in his role

968
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 4: or be like like he's going to be able to

969
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 4: replicate the level of success we've just enjoyed recently. That's

970
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 4: not a good feeling, you know, And look the door

971
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 4: swings the other way. You know. People are sickened by

972
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 4: over confidence, you know, they call it arrogance, and sometimes

973
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 4: sometimes that's misconstrued, you know, because you kind of have

974
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 4: to be overly confident to achieve at such a high level. Look,

975
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 4: there's really no win for Ryan day when you're at

976
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 4: the top of the mountain. Everybody's gonna draw a target

977
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 4: on your back. But I'll agree with you. I will

978
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 4: acquiesce to the fact that Brian there have been so

979
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 4: many moments publicly where he's said something that kind of

980
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 4: nauseates me. And I'm sure he's a nice guy. I'm

981
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 4: sure he's a great guy. Like if he was sitting

982
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 4: next to me in the room I'm sitting in, I'm

983
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 4: sure I'd get along with him and we would talk

984
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 4: football and it would be great. But like, there are

985
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 4: parts of the public profile that you know, all of

986
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 4: a sudden, you know, it's like sitting in a room

987
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 4: where there's a bad smell. You're like, is everybody else

988
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 4: smelling that, Like, you know, it's it's just kind of

989
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 4: one of those things with Ryan Day and he walks

990
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 4: into it like twice or three times a year.

991
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: It's the Catalina wine mixer scene.

992
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, your stepbrothers.

993
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 5: I love this is like it, Rob Wriggle, It's like,

994
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 5: I love this is great. It's the Catalina wine mix

995
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 5: You're killing it, but there's just something about your face

996
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 5: and I just want to plant one of these suckers

997
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 5: right in it. And that's Will Ferrell Rob Wriggle elite

998
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 5: scene in movies. Go watch it. You'll enjoy get a

999
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 5: laugh out of it. We discussed this before the National

1000
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 5: Championship game.

1001
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: I remember because.

1002
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 5: I cut a clip on it and I posted it

1003
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 5: and it was exactly this.

1004
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: It was after I forget which game it might have been.

1005
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: I forget which game.

1006
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 5: It was an earlier game in the season when Ohio

1007
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 5: State pulled out a win and they interviewed Ryan Day

1008
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 5: on the field after the game like our team is

1009
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 5: so tough, thank you, thank you.

1010
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: I know you was two years ago because because Lou

1011
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 2: Holtz was like, they're not a physical team, and that's where.

1012
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 3: We're a tough team.

1013
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 4: We're a tough team.

1014
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: Shut up, Brian Day. Go jump in a river right now, please.

1015
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1016
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 5: And I remember we talked about it, and the whole

1017
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 5: vibe was if you have to go on national TV

1018
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 5: after beating I think they were a big favorite in

1019
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 5: that game and go and say that your team is tough, well,

1020
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 5: then your team's probably not that tough.

1021
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: And I think that just kind.

1022
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 5: Of speaks And again, they won the national championship, they

1023
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 5: had a gajillion dollar roster, they were the best team

1024
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 5: in college football. I'm not taking anything away from that,

1025
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 5: but and I feel this way about my life. If

1026
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 5: I have to announce to the world that I am this,

1027
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 5: I'm a good gambler. I'm a good broadcaster. Like I

1028
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 5: have to say I am the greatest broadcaster of all time,

1029
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 5: well then I'm probably not a great broadcaster. Like if

1030
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 5: you have to say it, don't talk about it, be

1031
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 5: about it. And I think that's the issue that a

1032
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 5: lot of people have with Ryan Day, is that don't

1033
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 5: just use your you know, goofy charm to kind of

1034
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 5: will people to believe in your team. Just go out

1035
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 5: there and perform and then people will believe in your team.

1036
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 5: And they did that and they won. But then you

1037
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 5: get these little moments that he puts his foot in

1038
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 5: his mouth and you're like.

1039
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: Dude, you don't need to do this.

1040
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 5: Go out there and smack Texas in the mouth because

1041
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 5: you've got the best team and the best roster, and

1042
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 5: then nobody will question whether or not you're going to

1043
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 5: be in the playoff. Like that's all you have to do.

1044
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 5: But I think there is this little disconnect. I think

1045
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 5: Rich alluded to it perfectly, like there's just something off,

1046
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 5: Like it doesn't pass the smell to us when he

1047
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 5: opens his mouth sometimes.

1048
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's I don't know, man, I would love

1049
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 2: to and we could do this in the years to come.

1050
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: How many years the fourth best team in the Big

1051
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: Ten is not worthy of a spot in a sixteen

1052
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: team playoff.

1053
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 3: It's gonna be incredibly rare, right, So it's like, why

1054
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 3: why do you need this.

1055
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: This little bit of security over here. It's like you

1056
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 2: don't even really need it. And if you don't deserve

1057
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: a playoff spot because you have four losses, let's say

1058
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 2: it's a down year the top teams in the Big Ten,

1059
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 2: it's like it's just lame. It's just so and his

1060
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,959
Speaker 2: arguments suck. His arguments suck to support something that's fundamentally

1061
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: lame with automatic spots for a conference.

1062
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 5: It was Indiana this year, by the way, that was

1063
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 5: the fourth best team even they got in and it

1064
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 5: was only a twelve team field.

1065
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing is if you just go by

1066
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 2: the standings, Ohio State was fourth in the Big ten.

1067
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is funny timing, right right, or maybe that's

1068
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 3: why this is all coming to light right now?

1069
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,600
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1070
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 2: Jared Smith FSR betting analyst.

1071
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:57,000
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1072
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,720
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1073
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1074
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1076
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1077
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00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 7: over time and the Panthers win game two by four

1086
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 7: the series.

1087
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: It's time hit a game apiece.

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Speaker 2: Panthers winning double overtime last night against Edmonton series is

1095
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 2: tied one apiece? And how how crazy is it? And

1096
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: it is ironic. It's the opposite of what you would expect.

1097
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 2: It's drilled into my head by Tom Looney's a stickler

1098
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: for what really is and what is not irony, right,

1099
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: but this would be ironic. The guy who scored, he

1100
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: didn't even shoot the puck. He kind of just like

1101
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: mishandled it and it trickled into the net. It wasn't

1102
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: even a shot. It wasn't a game winning shot. It

1103
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: was like a game winning I don't even know what

1104
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 2: you would say. He just guided the puck in without

1105
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: shooting it. It was crazy, insane ending there. We'll get some

1106
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 2: puck love going here in just a few minutes, but

1107
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 2: let's start with this. A dumb decision looks even dumber now.

1108
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: The Knicks fired Tom Thibodeaux.

1109
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 3: Now, in my.

1110
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: Opinion, this is in fact my opinion, this is a

1111
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: dumb decision. So they just extended him. Last summer, the

1112
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 2: Knicks reached reached the Eastern Conference Finals for the first

1113
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 2: time in twenty five years. Think about that. A quarter century.

1114
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: They hadn't been in the Eastern Conference finals. They just

1115
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: got there, and they let him go. He made the

1116
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 2: playoffs in four or five years with the Knicks, and

1117
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: they had consecutive fifty win seasons for the first time

1118
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 2: since the nineties. And before Thiboudeau was there, the Knicks

1119
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: hadn't made the playoffs for seven straight seasons. And I'll

1120
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: let him go. Now, I think that's dumb. I think

1121
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 2: it looks even dumber. After the team the Knicks lost

1122
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: to the Pacers had this dramatic game, one comeback, another comeback.

1123
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: So it's not just the Knicks that were victims of

1124
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: the Pacers being the zombies of.

1125
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 4: The sports world.

1126
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: They just pulled off another one, like DJ Khaled said,

1127
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: against Okase, the best team in basketball, they just did

1128
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: it again to them.

1129
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 3: So the timing of that, I think it makes this

1130
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 3: decision right.

1131
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 4: Now, that's right, I I I you know, I'm going

1132
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 4: to compare this to a person that I knew in

1133
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 4: my own life, and I'll remove all contexts because I

1134
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 4: don't want to embarrass anybody. But I knew a guy

1135
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 4: who was one of the best at what he did

1136
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 4: and really struggled, and I'm talking about in the workplace,

1137
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 4: really struggled with authority, Like at every turn. It just

1138
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 4: felt like when somebody in any supervisory capacity would give him,

1139
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 4: you know, some sort of even commendation, not even just

1140
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 4: like criticism, like even compliments, he would have a problem

1141
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 4: with it because he just hated authority, you know, And

1142
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 4: so he made no friends with people above his his

1143
00:59:54,440 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 4: status at work and his peers loved him. And as

1144
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 4: a result of this, you know, kind of abrasive attitude,

1145
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 4: he didn't advance, Like over the years, you know, his

1146
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 4: pay increased, you know, he became more veteran amongst his

1147
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 4: peers at work and all those things, but he just

1148
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 4: never really got to the next level. Always was offered

1149
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 4: supervisor jobs, never took them because he was like, I'm

1150
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 4: not going to be one of them. You know, you

1151
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 4: won't catch me doing that. And it's like, okay, that

1152
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 4: is a very i don't know what to call it.

1153
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 4: That is a very proud attitude to have. But as

1154
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 4: we know, it's biblical pride comes before the fall. Tibbs

1155
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 4: is a really talented coach. I'm curious what his interpersonal

1156
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 4: relationships are like within a building. I'm curious. I'm curious

1157
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 4: if he's playing the game essentially, is what I'm saying.

1158
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 4: Because yeah, we're talking about basketball, right, We're talking about

1159
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 4: the game of basketball, but there's also the game of life.

1160
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 4: There's also the game of interpersonal relationships. There's also the

1161
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 4: game of like you gotta you know, sometimes finesse the

1162
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 4: owner and sometimes get along with people you don't really

1163
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 4: like to get along with. Is he doing those things?

1164
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say real fast, Jared, it'll be bite sized.

1165
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: It reminds me a lot of Belichick what you just

1166
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 2: described right there, Richard. Imagine if Belichick didn't have all

1167
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: those rings right. It's like he had all those rings

1168
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 2: and Robert Kraft couldn't wait to get rid.

1169
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,439
Speaker 3: Of them because he's not mister like, hey, Rob, how's

1170
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 3: it going, man? How is the fishing this weekend?

1171
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 5: I was wondering which where you're going that story? And

1172
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 5: then you landed the plane very successfully. And I think

1173
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 5: that's a fair assessment to make on the situation. I

1174
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 5: don't know what the situation is behind the scenes. Here

1175
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 5: is how I assess the situation. The New York Knicks

1176
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 5: were a team that were primed, primed to make the

1177
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 5: finals this year. They beat the Boston Celtics to defending champs,

1178
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 5: waxed the floor with them in the clinching game. They

1179
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 5: had home court advantage in the conference finals. They had

1180
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 5: a lead, a big lead in Game one, couldn't get

1181
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 5: over the hump, couldn't get across the finish line, couldn't

1182
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 5: even get back to New York for a Game seven

1183
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 5: to try to defend the home court and try to

1184
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 5: make it to the finals for the first time since

1185
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 5: I was a young pup. If you're not getting to

1186
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 5: that point with this team, I think that's about as

1187
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 5: high as we can expect this team to fly. I

1188
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,959
Speaker 5: just don't think there is another step for this team

1189
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 5: to accomplish. If you can't make the finals this year

1190
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 5: with home court, after beating the defending champs with all

1191
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 5: the momentum, you're probably not making the finals.

1192
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: With this team.

1193
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 5: And I think Knicks ownership, Knicks leadership looked at the situation.

1194
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: And said, this was the ceiling.

1195
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 5: We made it as far as we can go with

1196
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 5: this group, and now we have to change it up.

1197
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 5: Whether you agree with that or not, that's up for debate.

1198
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 5: But I think that's why this occurred because on the surface, you're.

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Speaker 1: Like, why did he get fired?

1200
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 4: Like?

1201
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 5: Are they not having a ton of success? Are they

1202
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 5: not going to the Eastern Conference Finals? Are they not

1203
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 5: continuing to win fifty plus games? Are they not packing

1204
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 5: the garden every night? Do they not have stars?

1205
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 4: Like?

1206
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 5: They check all the boxes except the expectation that I

1207
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 5: think was supposed to be met this year was not

1208
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 5: met despite all the parameters falling into place. If you

1209
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 5: would have told me before the playoffs started, hey, Jared,

1210
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 5: the Knicks are gonna beat the Celtics in a seven

1211
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 5: game series and look convincing while doing it. I'm doing

1212
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 5: the dance to the NBA Finals, Baby, We're doing the

1213
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 5: two step. They had home court in that series, still

1214
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 5: couldn't get across the finish line.

1215
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: I think that's why this happened.

1216
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 2: Well, I think the way Knicks fans reacted it's pretty

1217
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: much how ownership in the front office is reacting. Because

1218
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 2: I go back to when the Knicks won to take

1219
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 2: a three to one series lead against the Celtics. They

1220
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 2: won the game, they won Game four and Tatum went

1221
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 2: down and I can remember distinctly after that.

1222
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 4: You know, Steven A.

1223
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 3: Smith, who is a huge Knicks fan, He's like.

1224
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: We going to the finals.

1225
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 3: We go into the finals, baby like.

1226
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 2: That's how ownership in the front office is reacting. By

1227
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 2: firing Tom Thibodeau, I think they were saying the same

1228
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 2: things prob.

1229
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 3: I could picture James Dolan like, we.

1230
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 2: Going to the finals, baby, like all the front office

1231
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 2: people and then they didn't and now it's an overreaction.

1232
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 2: Pacers head coach Rick Carlisle thought the news of Thibodeau

1233
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 2: getting fired was fake AI.

1234
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 3: It does seem like some fake AI stuff, And I'll

1235
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 3: compare it this way.

1236
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 2: I think Tom Thibodeau is the Russell Westbrook of NBA

1237
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 2: coaches think about what's similar. So Westbrook, he's a surefire

1238
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. He averaged a triple double in four

1239
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 2: separate seasons. That's insane. But yet what anybody ever talks

1240
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 2: about with Russ is negative. I can't shoot, it's west Brick,

1241
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 2: it's this, it's this freaking guy. Maybe every now and

1242
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 2: then they'll be like, the guy plays hard, and then

1243
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 2: it's negative, negative, negative negative.

1244
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 3: That's what they do with Tom Thibodeaux.

1245
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: Tom Thibodeau has strengths and weaknesses, and all anybody ever

1246
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 2: talks about are the weaknesses, the drawbacks. It's like he's

1247
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 2: playing his guys max minute. He's driving them into the ground.

1248
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 2: You know, That's all you ever hear. It's look at

1249
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 2: the buy in. His team's played hard. There was a culture,

1250
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 2: there was an identity like that stuff matters, and yet

1251
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 2: all it is is, oh, the minutes, the workload, the minutes,

1252
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 2: the workload, the minutes, the workload. That's all anyone ever

1253
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 2: hammers home. It's like the Knicks are interested in speaking

1254
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 2: to Jason Kidd. You think the sky's the limit if

1255
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 2: they get Jay Kidd in there, Like, what is j

1256
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 2: Kid bringing that Tibbs doesn't really what is it?

1257
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a it's a great question. I mean, it

1258
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 4: really is. It's a you know, when you have a

1259
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 4: successful formula and you think to yourself, like, yeah, but

1260
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 4: I'm tired of the messaging. The grass always seems greener,

1261
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? It really does it. And

1262
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 4: you you don't just see this in basketball, obviously, you

1263
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 4: see this in football. Think about Steelers fans. How many

1264
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 4: Steelers fans out there are so tired of the same

1265
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 4: old note being passed to them every season after season

1266
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 4: about Mike Tomlin like, oh yeah, great, another winning season,

1267
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 4: Thanks Mike. It's like, are we really checking the boxes

1268
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 4: we want to check? It's just like no, well, hang on,

1269
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 4: let's hit pause for a second. Yeah, you're right, you're right.

1270
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 4: Sometimes you can hire the next hot upcoming offensive coordinator

1271
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 4: turned head coach and you're lucky enough to get a

1272
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 4: Sean McVay, right, just a savant, a brilliant mind who

1273
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 4: also turns into a great delegator and an orchestrator of

1274
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 4: a system that works. And you know, in his young

1275
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,439
Speaker 4: career has already had two visits to the Super Bowl

1276
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 4: and one Super Bowl win. And sometimes it. It flops

1277
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 4: completely and utterly and disastrously, like we see more times

1278
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 4: than not, and we don't even need to mention the names.

1279
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 4: How many coordinators get the role of head coach and

1280
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 4: they end up losing that job sometimes within their first season,

1281
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 4: you know, So, yeah, the grass is always greener when

1282
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 4: you're looking at your current head coach and saying, yeah,

1283
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 4: I mean he wins, but he's really abrasive, or he wins,

1284
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 4: but you know the locker room's getting sick of him.

1285
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, those things may be true, but maybe

1286
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 4: it's better to have a conversation with the person and

1287
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 4: try to, I don't know, evolve the relationship as opposed

1288
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 4: to just throwing out the baby with the bathwater and saying, hey,

1289
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 4: we need to start over, because guess what, again, the

1290
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 4: grass is not always greener on the other side.

1291
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 5: September eighth, Baby Mike Tomlin Appreciation Day nine and eight.

1292
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of Mike Tomlin in TIMMS.

1293
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 5: I think that's a very good comparison. Tough rough around

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Speaker 5: the edge is not gonna win over any beauty pageants

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Speaker 5: or anything like that with their coaching style, but effective

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Speaker 5: I think Honestly, I think there's a chance, and this

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Speaker 5: is we meet maybe the Knicks fandom. In me speaking,

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Speaker 5: I think there's a chance that the Knicks had a

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Speaker 5: culture that was being built that will be very tough

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Speaker 5: to replicate with whoever they bring in.

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Speaker 1: That is the one.

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01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 5: And we've had this debate on the show before how

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01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 5: much do NBA coaches really matter when it comes down

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01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 5: to it, And I know the two of you are

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Speaker 5: kind of on opposite side.

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01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: I'm a little more neutral on it.

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01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 5: I think there are times when they matter, and for

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01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 5: the most part though they're kind of figureheads. However, the

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Speaker 5: part that matters the most is the culture setting the

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01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 5: tone that gets set. That is the coach, and that

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01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 5: is something that TIBs, I would say, excels in.

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Speaker 1: I actually think that is his strength.

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Speaker 5: He might be one of the best tone setters as

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Speaker 5: a coach in the entire league.

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Speaker 1: And that is something that New York.

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01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 5: Was lacking for years on the bench. They had it

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01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 5: with Van Gundy. He was hanging on at Alonzo Morning's

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01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 5: leg and dragged across the court. You want to talk

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01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 5: about setting a tone, and they haven't had it since

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01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:42,759
Speaker 5: I would say Mike Woodson had.

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Speaker 1: It a little bit. He had that you know, big

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01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: tough chin.

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01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 5: He's gonna, you know, kind of stare you down with that,

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01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 5: you know, with those you know, steely, steely eyeballs.

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01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: I would say Tips had it too.

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01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 5: He had that weird comb over like it just he

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01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 5: had that kind of grit.

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01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: He had that grit that maybe's not flat.

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01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 5: She's sexy, polished, but when it comes to hey, we

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01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 5: got to be tougher than the other team on this

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01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 5: one play. Like I trust Tips to get the most

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01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 5: out of his team on that one play. Now you're

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01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 5: kind of no man's land again. Is Jason Kidnt be

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01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 5: able to come in and set that tone? Dan Hurley

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01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 5: gonna come in and set that tone?

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01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 4: Jay?

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01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 5: Right, like all these names I'm hearing, I think it's

1338
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 5: gonna be a really tough bit, not necessarily big shoes

1339
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 5: to fill from a schematic standpoint, but from a culture standpoint, Yeah,

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01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 5: I think this is gonna be a tough hire.

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01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 3: No, all that's well said.

1343
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 2: It is, and it's easy to do that. We always

1344
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 2: compare it to dating. You know a lot of sports,

1345
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 2: like let's compare this to dating, and that to dating,

1346
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 2: and everything to dating. But it really is true where

1347
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: you get in a relationship and you might start looking

1348
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,839
Speaker 2: at what's not great, what's not exactly to your liking,

1349
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 2: and you start getting interested in the possibility of switching

1350
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 2: things up, and then you realize, oh, there's stuff wrong

1351
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 2: in this relationship, you know, Like that's the way it goes.

1352
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 2: I remember, just in a radio sense, one of my

1353
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 2: good friends in Fresno, guy named Greg, we were talking

1354
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 2: to and I'm like, I don't know what's up with

1355
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 2: this or what's up with that? And he told me

1356
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 2: he is like, you know, radio guys will think about

1357
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 2: this a lot, where hey, if I go to this market,

1358
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,759
Speaker 2: and then he's like, there's always going to be problems always.

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01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 3: And I think that's the thing.

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01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 2: I think there can be a tendency with Tibbs to

1361
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 2: see the downside and be like, man, he is running

1362
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: his starters into the ground, and we're just so infatuated

1363
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 2: with load management, and Tibbs goes the exact opposite way.

1364
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 2: I don't think load management has all these benefits that

1365
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 2: most people think. I mean, there are drawbacks the load

1366
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 2: management as well, but it's the anti Tibbs anti Westbrook.

1367
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 2: Even though there are drawbacks all anybody talks about is

1368
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 2: the upside of load management, you know, and Tibbs went

1369
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 2: the other way. So there's a tendency to think, hey,

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01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 2: if we have a different head coach, and that I

1371
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 2: think when they get another head coach, it's going to

1372
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,879
Speaker 2: be a matter of time until they see the strengths

1373
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 2: of TIBs a lot more clearly. And by that time

1374
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter because he's gone. He already fired him. Yeah,

1375
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 2: but that happens a lot in life, where you think

1376
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 2: the grass is greater and you're like, man, we had

1377
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 2: it better than we thought.

1378
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 3: I think that's what the Nicks had with TIBs.

1379
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 4: I was having a conversation with my wife about our kids,

1380
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 4: and you know, and and one of the things we

1381
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 4: were talking about was competitiveness because we're both former athletes.

1382
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 4: You know, I played in the NFL. She played Division

1383
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 4: one college volleyball. And so we look at our we

1384
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 4: look at our kids and we you know, and and

1385
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 4: you know, sports is starting to become more of the

1386
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 4: profile with the younger one. It's not really catching on

1387
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 4: with the older one. And competitiveness is an interesting trait

1388
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 4: that you want to instill in your kids. In certain ways,

1389
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 4: because obviously the world is a competitive place and things

1390
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 4: like that, and and there are kids, and when you

1391
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 4: start making people, you realize this, there are certain people

1392
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,799
Speaker 4: who are innately born with more of that gene than others.

1393
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 4: You know. Like, but but what's interesting is you realize, like, Okay, well,

1394
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 4: maybe maybe the competitiveness is a little bit lower with

1395
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 4: this one, but maybe like the kindness quotion is a

1396
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 4: little bit higher, you know, maybe maybe the killer instinct

1397
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 4: is a little bit lower with this coach, or excuse me,

1398
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 4: it is a little bit higher with this coach, but

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01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 4: the next guy we bring in, maybe you're like lacking

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01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 4: that a little bit. You know. It's kind of my point.

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01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,799
Speaker 4: It's like, and you can coach people up. Like nobody

1402
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 4: is static, nobody is set in stone. Like things change

1403
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 4: and you can have conversations and you can evolve things.

1404
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 4: I'm curious how many conversations those who are in control

1405
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 4: of the decision making to end Tibb's tenure as head

1406
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 4: coach with the Knicks had with Tibbs before they made

1407
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 4: this decision, because if they didn't have enough of those

1408
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 4: type of conversations and he had like frankly unprecedented success,

1409
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 4: if you look at recent history with the New York Knicks,

1410
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 4: then they really holy f and airball, like I mean

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01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 4: they really, Then they really missed on this because good

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01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 4: luck finding a guy to get you back to the

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01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 4: Eastern Conference finals as quickly as Tims did in his

1414
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 4: short tenure with the Knicks.

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01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, no doubt. Well said, well said by all

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Speaker 6: This prop it up player plays.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the betting market shared. We start with you with.

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Speaker 4: Something you like.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny.

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Speaker 5: I was doing some perusing this morning, some browsing, and

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna pull a page out of my good file

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Speaker 5: Bryan Knows playbook.

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Speaker 1: Here do you want to player game?

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Speaker 5: So the series players Specials tab on bet MGM. There

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Speaker 5: are some really ton ones and I wanted to give

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Speaker 5: out a couple and maybe I'll let you.

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01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 1: Two kind of tell me which one you like the best.

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01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: So I know I love Jalen Williams.

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01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:46,680
Speaker 5: I think he Other than him and Sga, those be

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01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 5: only two guys on the tunder that I'm convinced they're

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01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 5: gonna play thirty five minutes every single game. So, by

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01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 5: the way, Jalen Williams actually tied for the most assists

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01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 5: in Game one he had six Haliburton at six. I

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01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 5: think Nemhard also at six, or Nie Smith one of

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01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 5: those guys also at six. You can still get Jalen

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01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,799
Speaker 5: Williams at twenty to one to have the most assists

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Speaker 5: in the series. I think that's an intriguing bet, you know,

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Speaker 5: in terms of a future for the entire series.

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01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,600
Speaker 1: Here's another interesting one that I like. How about Jalen Williams.

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01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,799
Speaker 5: To score seventeen points in every game of the series.

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01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 5: He went six for nineteen the other day still got there,

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Speaker 5: So I think that's an interesting bet.

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Speaker 1: That's plus two twenty five.

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Speaker 5: And this one might be my favorite one right here, guys,

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01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 5: I think this is the one we bet.

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Speaker 1: How about SGA to score thirty in every game of

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01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: the series. That's plus two seventy five. Dude's averaging thirty

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01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 1: five a night.

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01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 5: It just seems like he's always at the line getting points,

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01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 5: and thirty almost seems like the floor for him most nights.

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Speaker 5: So I don't love any of these. These are all

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Speaker 5: plus money props.

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Speaker 1: I like all of them.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if any of you guys have an opinion,

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Speaker 5: but I love the series.

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Speaker 1: Special bets. Take a look. I might find something you

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Speaker 1: like in that teb Yeah, that is.

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Speaker 4: A unique way to do it. I'm going just points.

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Speaker 4: Just give me Aaron Nesmith under the eleven and a half.

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01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 4: Here's the reason why the offensive flow doesn't oftentime flow

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01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 4: through him, and he's He's failed to reach that mark

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01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 4: four times over the last five games in the postseason,

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Speaker 4: So when I look at the whole offensive construction, I

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01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 4: don't necessarily see how he's going to best that mark

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01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 4: in this game, especially with the perimeter defense, putting the

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01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 4: clamps the way the way O case he does, give me,

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01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 4: give me Nie Smith under eleven and a half.

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Speaker 2: Okay, a couple on my radar, little pucklove, I'm going

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Speaker 2: Bob again. I'm going back to the Bob Well Pabrovski

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Speaker 2: over twenty five and a half saves Edmonton just gets

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Speaker 2: a ton of shots on goal, and he's gonna have

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Speaker 2: a ton of saves. I like him to get over

1507
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 2: twenty five and a half again. And if you're looking

1508
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 2: for someone to rebound, pardon the bad pun, but it's

1509
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 2: gotta be set Home. Yeah, over eight and a half rebounds.

1510
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 2: He was freaking awful. Now look at me though, freaking awful.

1511
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 2: In Game one, he did nothing. He barely scored, he

1512
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 2: barely had any rebounds. Indiana is not a good rebounding team,

1513
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 2: and they out rebounded okay see by seventeen in game one.

1514
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 2: That's got a change going forward. I think Home Grin's

1515
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 2: minutes probably be up. I think the focus when it

1516
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 2: comes to rebounding collectively will be up. So I'm gonna

1517
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 2: take Chet over eight and a half rebounds in game

1518
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 2: two tomorrow night.

1519
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, man, little I.

1520
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 5: Don't know if you're going, bob chet, Yeah, I think

1521
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 5: you're right on Homegrom. You gotta be a heart scene

1522
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 5: back in the starting lineup, get the two bigs together.

1523
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah right, well that goes into what we're talking about

1524
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 2: coming up. Yep, the small ball mishap. Welcome in, Happy

1525
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 2: Saturday to you man. We will get to coaching mishaps.

1526
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, one coaching mishap on the way here in

1527
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 2: just a few seconds. Hey, you can stream this show

1528
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 2: in all of our Fox Sports Radio shows live twenty

1529
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 2: four to seven in the new and improved iHeartRadio app.

1530
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 2: Just search Fox Sports Radio in the app to stream

1531
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 2: us live. And one of the newest features in the

1532
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 2: app is that you can select Fox Sports Radio as

1533
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 2: one of your presets, just like the presets on a

1534
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 2: radio dial. So be sure to preset Fox Sports Radio

1535
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 2: in the iHeartRadio app and it'll always pop up at

1536
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:33,440
Speaker 2: the top of your screen. Okay, so the Game two preview,

1537
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 2: it requires a Game one review, right, So we got

1538
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 2: game two tomorrow night in the NBA Finals, and okasee

1539
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 2: head coach Mark Dagnolt might have to change up his

1540
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 2: game over here, right, So game one you alluded to this, Jared,

1541
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 2: he benched Isaiah Hartenstein and it didn't work out. He

1542
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 2: went with Cason Wallace and Okaysee got pounded on the

1543
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 2: glass fifty six to thirty nine. That was Indiana's rebounding edge.

1544
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 2: And okay See went small ball at the end of

1545
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 2: the game and it just didn't work out. You had

1546
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 2: Hartenstein only played seventeen minutes home Grin only played twenty

1547
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 2: four minutes, and so when you're tinkering with the starting lineup,

1548
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 2: when you go small ball down the stretch, both of

1549
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 2: those decisions were horrible and directly impacted the game. If

1550
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 2: you're looking at the coaching you know, breakdown. Carlisle gets

1551
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 2: a gold star for the way he handled the final sequence,

1552
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 2: didn't call time out. Haliburton got a favorable matchup, got

1553
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 2: to his spot, rose up, hit the shot. If there's

1554
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 2: a time out by Carlile, okay See has a chance

1555
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 2: to get set and they're probably putting the Dorcher chamber

1556
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 2: on Haliburton right, it would make more sense.

1557
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 3: So the coaching advantage greatly favored.

1558
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 2: Indiana in game one, and I want to see if

1559
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 2: Dagnault changes things up, because man, his approach to game

1560
01:21:56,280 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 2: one was not smart, It did not work up, workout all,

1561
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 2: and you might go back to Hartenstein for game two.

1562
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 3: We'll see.

1563
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,600
Speaker 4: Look, there are so many times where I've been a

1564
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 4: part of successes and wins and important playoff moments where

1565
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 4: changes were necessary and those changes midstream led to better outcomes.

1566
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 4: But there's also times where and we've all witnessed these things,

1567
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 4: even from the standpoint of playing armchair quarterback, where you're

1568
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 4: watching it in action and you're saying, why are they

1569
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 4: doing this? Why is this team getting away from what

1570
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 4: they do? You know, because here are the risks. While

1571
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 4: there are many positive potential positives that can come of

1572
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 4: changing things at halftime or even midstream, during the course

1573
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 4: of a quarter break, you know, you lose momentum. Sometimes

1574
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 4: it can create confusion. You know, when you take players

1575
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 4: out of the well beaten groove that they've been in

1576
01:22:55,320 --> 01:23:00,040
Speaker 4: for a long time, you can definitely create confusion. And

1577
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 4: also you may be reacting to a stimulus more emotionally

1578
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 4: than strategically in those those moments, and and as a result,

1579
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 4: because it's not as strategic, you risk repeating mistakes. So

1580
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 4: somebody gets beat off the dribble drive who's playing out

1581
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 4: of position because all of a sudden, you you you

1582
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 4: wanted to switch things up, and then it happens again

1583
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 4: on the next possession, and you know, you call time

1584
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 4: out and you bring that player over to the bench

1585
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 4: and you say, hey, why, you know, why are you

1586
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 4: getting beat out there? You know we talked about this,

1587
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 4: you were gonna you were gonna be in iso. You're

1588
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 4: not waiting for help and blah blah blah and this

1589
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 4: and that, and you're guarding him too tight, and you

1590
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 4: know you're wasting a lot of time correcting a mistake

1591
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 4: that's happened now twice because this player is playing out

1592
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 4: of position and it's your fault because you changed the strategy.

1593
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 4: That player was ready with a game plan and you

1594
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 4: switched it up mid streams. So as a coach, you

1595
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 4: gotta be really careful when you do those sort of things.

1596
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, why would you switch anything up? Yeah, Like it

1597
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 5: goes back to DJ Khaled, You played yourself. Okse has

1598
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 5: run through this postseason, like, absolutely run through this postseason.

1599
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 5: They just won the Western Conference Finals convincingly in five games.

1600
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 5: They beat the defending defending champs from two years ago

1601
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 5: and the greatest player on the planet, Nicola Jokic and

1602
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 5: I know that series was tight, but you slayed the

1603
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 5: Dragon with this lineup, the twin tower biggs.

1604
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:36,440
Speaker 1: Why is that important?

1605
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 5: Well, chet Holmgrim, I would say, like, if you were

1606
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 5: going to classify the two bigs, I think Holmegrim is

1607
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 5: less of a big than Hartenstein. Right Homegrim stretches the floor,

1608
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 5: shoots threes. He's more of a lanky, wing kind of guy.

1609
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 5: He does have the size to be a big, I'm

1610
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 5: not taking that away from him, but in terms of

1611
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,720
Speaker 5: his style, he is not shack when it comes to

1612
01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 5: his playing style, a little more finesse. And I think

1613
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:03,600
Speaker 5: when you have him and Heartenstein on the floor together,

1614
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:07,640
Speaker 5: you open up the ability for Homegrim not to be

1615
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 5: relied on for a true center role.

1616
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 1: He can stretch the floor, he can go rover a

1617
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: little bit like Jackie Moon.

1618
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 5: And then you take them off, You take Hartstein off

1619
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 5: the floor, and now Homegrim is one on one with

1620
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,799
Speaker 5: Miles Turner in the paint, and all of a sudden,

1621
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 5: your strength two bigs, which is very rare in the

1622
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 5: NBA to have two starting caliber big men that you

1623
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 5: can put on the floor together and have them work

1624
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 5: well off one another.

1625
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 1: That is rare. In the NBA, you had it.

1626
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 5: On your team and then you removed it. Why, Like,

1627
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 5: what is the reasoning? I bet if you gave Dagnal

1628
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 5: truth serum, he'd be like, Yeah, that was a really

1629
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 5: dumb move. Like Cason Wallace, And take nothing away from

1630
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 5: Cason Wallace. You have two I would say, all star

1631
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 5: caliber big men that is a weapon in this league

1632
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 5: against the Pacers team that struggles to rebound.

1633
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 1: And you just said, you know what, We're gonna.

1634
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 5: Put caseon Wallace in the lineup and we're gonna give

1635
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 5: our two bigs the least amount of time they've had

1636
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 5: in this entire postseason. Like it was just such a

1637
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 5: bizarre overthink you would think that they're gonna go back

1638
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 5: to the lineup tonight that is, or tomorrow night of

1639
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 5: the two bigs. But maybe that's what we all expect

1640
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 5: Dagnall to do. And then he's not gonna do He's

1641
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 5: gonna szig when everyone thinks gonna szagg. Like it was

1642
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 5: just it was such a bizarre move. I don't even

1643
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 5: know how to explain it with logic.

1644
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird.

1645
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 2: He had to be thinking Chet Holmgren without Hartenstein on

1646
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 2: the floor, his production is so much better. And if

1647
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 2: you look at Hartenstein with home grin those guys as

1648
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 2: a payer, like it's just been average.

1649
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:54,759
Speaker 3: And so that's what he's thinking.

1650
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 2: But it blew up in his face because think about

1651
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 2: the previous series, the previous round. But the Knicks, right,

1652
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 2: Tibbs tinkered with the starting lineup a little bit and

1653
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 2: he put Robinson in there. He put Mitchell Robinson to start,

1654
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 2: and it's gonna beef up our rebounding numbers.

1655
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 3: And it's like, well, he's used to going in.

1656
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 2: As the backup and getting rebounds against a lot of

1657
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 2: Pacers backups, and now when he goes in there, you're

1658
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 2: going up against starters, and his rebounding numbers were down.

1659
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 2: So it can happen like that, right, And there's no

1660
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 2: way the Pacers should be out rebounding OKC fifty six

1661
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:37,520
Speaker 2: to thirty nine in a game by seven plus seventeen

1662
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 2: on the glass. This is one of the biggest disadvantages

1663
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 2: for Indiana is rebounding, and Okasee tinkered with that, where yeah, man,

1664
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:48,959
Speaker 2: there's a whole ripple effect when you make an adjustment

1665
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 2: like that, and it's not an in series adjustment. He's

1666
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 2: being proactive. But you guys laid it out right. This

1667
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 2: team won sixty eight games. They've been the class of

1668
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,719
Speaker 2: the NBA. You should be dictating terms to your opponent,

1669
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 2: not letting them dictate terms. And I think that's what

1670
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 2: Dagnault did in game one. That doesn't make sense to me.

1671
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 4: It's beautifully stated. You should be the aggressor, not the

1672
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 4: person who's accepting the threat. You should be the danger.

1673
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 4: To quote Walter White, you know what I mean? Like that,

1674
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 4: that's that is. But now, look, I don't want to

1675
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 4: sidestep the fact that sometimes strategically playing small ball is

1676
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 4: a really good decision. Sure, obviously you add more speed

1677
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 4: to the court, you space things out more, there's more

1678
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 4: shooting threats typically on the floor when you add smaller players. Look,

1679
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 4: they're I'm trying to think of more. You have an

1680
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 4: easier time switching things, especially if you're playing against a

1681
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:52,759
Speaker 4: better pick and roll offense. And then again, you can

1682
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 4: set up actually being the aggressor if you're OKAC, you

1683
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 4: can set up more opportunities to create mismatches with big men.

1684
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 4: You know you got these you know, plotting rim protectors

1685
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 4: trying to guard smaller, swifter players who are gonna get

1686
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 4: to the rack quicker than you can move your feet

1687
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 4: or draw foulst you know, you get a big man

1688
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 4: in foul trouble that way. Here's the trade offs. You're

1689
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 4: you're losing out on rebounding, you're losing out on rib protection.

1690
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 4: So you better be okay with those tradeoffs. If you're

1691
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,639
Speaker 4: OKAYC and you're getting away from that formula that's worked

1692
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,839
Speaker 4: for you. And if it's not working, you can always

1693
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 4: switch back. And that was the troubling thing is there?

1694
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 4: It didn't It didn't look like when things weren't going well,

1695
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 4: there was any effort to switch back.

1696
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then why wasn't Honger on the floor down

1697
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:43,759
Speaker 1: the stretch of that game?

1698
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 4: Right? Like?

1699
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 5: That's that was the part that really boggled my mind.

1700
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 5: And it's not just because I bet is over a

1701
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 5: rebounding prop and I'm like, where the heck is Chet Holger?

1702
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 5: Could we get this guy back on the floor? Is

1703
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 5: that a brutal game of all the players in the

1704
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 5: OKC lineup? If you're telling me, and I love Alex Caruso,

1705
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 5: this is not an Alex Caruso knock. I think he

1706
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 5: is a perfect role player. Six man type of player.

1707
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 5: But when Alex Caruso has more minutes than chet Holmgrem

1708
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:16,640
Speaker 5: in an NBA Finals game, we have a problem. Yeah,

1709
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 5: chet Holmgrim is a unicorn seven footer, stretch the floor,

1710
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 5: shoot the three inside, outside, can assist, rebound to everything.

1711
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 1: He is a unicorn type of player.

1712
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 5: When you think of the Thunder, it's Sga, it's Jalen Williams,

1713
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 5: it's jet Holmgrim.

1714
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 1: That's the Big Three.

1715
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 5: You can't have Homegrom twenty four minutes being outplayed by

1716
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 5: Alex Caruso. That is a recipe for losing a series

1717
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 5: you're supposed to win. Now, what's the adjustment tomorrow? You

1718
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 5: would expect you would expect okay See to go back

1719
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 5: to the original lineup. That would be my expectation.

1720
01:30:57,680 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 1: I'm wrong a lot. If you listen to the show

1721
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 1: over the you've learned that if they don't, here's the falloup.

1722
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 5: If they don't go back to that line up and

1723
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,560
Speaker 5: be again, you've watched okay See a hell of a

1724
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 5: lot more than I have this year? Is this Diagno

1725
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 5: saying I'm gonna be stubborn about my initial gut move,

1726
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 5: which was to split up these two bigs or is

1727
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 5: there something else going on behind the scenes that maybe

1728
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,639
Speaker 5: we're not privy about why these two aren't gonna play together.

1729
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:29,719
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I mean you can't point to game one.

1730
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 2: Is this is why I went with Cason Wallace. Right,

1731
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 2: you're saying, well, even though it didn't work, I think

1732
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 2: it's going to eventually.

1733
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 3: That's not a strugg enough reason to me.

1734
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 2: If you look at the rebounding prop numbers for the

1735
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:49,679
Speaker 2: Pacers in game one, all five of the starters went

1736
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 2: over their rebounding props, and you had a couple of

1737
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 2: bench guys go over as well, not just over.

1738
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 3: Like well over, no sweat whatsoever.

1739
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 2: Halliburton his rebounding prop four and a half he had

1740
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 2: ten in game one. See Okam was at six and

1741
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 2: a half he had ten, Miles Turner's only at.

1742
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 3: Five and a half.

1743
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:11,599
Speaker 2: He had nine. How about Nie Smith? Aaron Nismith led

1744
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 2: all rebounders. His rebounding prop was four and a half.

1745
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:19,720
Speaker 2: He had twelve. Aaron Nismith had twelve rebounds in game one.

1746
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 2: That should not be happening with OKC. So I don't

1747
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 2: know how you stick with something that didn't work to

1748
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 2: this degree in game two and run it back with

1749
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 2: Cason Wallace. I just I don't know what you would

1750
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 2: point to as a strong enough reason to say. I

1751
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:39,719
Speaker 2: know it failed miserably, but hear me out, I think it's.

1752
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 3: Gonna work eventually.

1753
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 4: It doesn't sound right to me, it doesn't look I

1754
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 4: hope that everybody has had a chance to catch their

1755
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 4: breath and look at themselves in the mirror and realize

1756
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 4: who they were and the journey that it's taken to

1757
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 4: get to where they're at. And when I say everybody,

1758
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the Oklahoma City thunder like because I

1759
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 4: I if there's one gaudy, glaring statistic that just sticks

1760
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 4: in my craw as a PostScript to Game one, it's

1761
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 4: it is what you pointed out, Jared. It's the minutes

1762
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 4: for homegren when you have a star sitting on your bench.

1763
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 4: Or I shouldn't say a star, because I don't want

1764
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,680
Speaker 4: to convolute my my my prior statements about what I

1765
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 4: think the star is and a great player, but you, yeah, right,

1766
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 4: when you have a great you have a great player

1767
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 4: sitting on the bench like home Grin for that amount

1768
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 4: of time. I mean, it's just unacceptable. That's the only

1769
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 4: way you could describe that he sat on the bench

1770
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 4: more minutes than he played. How is that possible? How

1771
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 4: is that possible? How is that a winning formula. He's

1772
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 4: one of the best bigs in the league, and he

1773
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 4: sat longer than he played in Game one of the

1774
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 4: NBA Finals. Figure it out. Find a way to get

1775
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:04,639
Speaker 4: him more minutes. How about let's start there and then

1776
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 4: we'll work our way backwards into what strategy works. And again,

1777
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 4: you know, kind of the way you open the conversation, Brian,

1778
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 4: the best strategy, I would argue would be the one

1779
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 4: that got you to the NBA Finals.

1780
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's usually the best way to go. Let's bring

1781
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 5: it back to a betting perspective. Yeah, yeah, anything that

1782
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 5: you get any discount. Like, let's say, let's just erase

1783
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 5: because we do this all the time. We see a

1784
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 5: game and we're like, oh, that's how the series is

1785
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 5: gonna go. Let's erase Game one from our minds for

1786
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 5: a minute. Let's act like Game one never happened and

1787
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 5: the thunder of this great team and chet Holmgrim is

1788
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 5: one of the best bigs in the league. He's gonna

1789
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,680
Speaker 5: play thirty thirty five minutes like he does normally in

1790
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 5: a postseason game. Man, you're getting a discount on eight

1791
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 5: and a half rebounds?

1792
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 4: Absolutely, night bro.

1793
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the problem is, I don't know what Dagnoll's thinking. Yeah,

1794
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 5: if he's like, you know, I'm gonna be stubborn and

1795
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give this hole. Separate the two twin towers

1796
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 5: another chance. So we're gonna play home Grow twenty five minutes.

1797
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 5: We'll play Hart and Stein twenty minutes. We're gonna put

1798
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 5: them on separate ends.

1799
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 1: Of the floor. We're gonna hope things go well. Well,

1800
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 1: then I want to bet an under on homegame rebounds.

1801
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 5: Frankly, like, I just I think you have to know

1802
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 5: the context of what Mark Dagnal's thinking in order to

1803
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:18,719
Speaker 5: get inside of the value proposition for that particular bet.

1804
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 5: Now the spread and the total. Man, they're making you

1805
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 5: pay a premium for OKC. So here's the funny thing.

1806
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 5: Game one line opened eight and a half. All right,

1807
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 5: that's probably a little little undervaluing what okac's true market

1808
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 5: value is. So that game gets bet up to about

1809
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 5: ten ten and a half closes in that range. Obviously,

1810
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 5: okaysee lose out right Game two. The first half spread

1811
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 5: right Game one home team lose is usually heavy action.

1812
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 5: You're paying a premium for that home team in game two.

1813
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:55,559
Speaker 5: The Game two first half line was eight and a half,

1814
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:58,759
Speaker 5: which was the same number as the game one full

1815
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:02,760
Speaker 5: game closing line. Wrap your brain around that in terms

1816
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 5: of how the sportsbooks play that zigzag approach off from

1817
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 5: one game to the next. You are paying the essentially

1818
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 5: the same price in one half of game two then

1819
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 5: you did the full game in game one. Because everybody thinks,

1820
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 5: Okayc's just gonna bounce back strong and run through game

1821
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:21,160
Speaker 5: two and we're gonna have an even series going back

1822
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 5: to Indiana. Like on paper, that sounds great, but man,

1823
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 5: you're paying a premium for that oka see price in

1824
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 5: game two.

1825
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 2: You know what, let me throw out a nightmare potential scenario.

1826
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 2: If you're on home grin over eight and a half

1827
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:37,639
Speaker 2: rebounds and I'm gonna be there. I just don't think

1828
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:39,600
Speaker 2: Dagnold is gonna be like, let's keep them on the

1829
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 2: bench here. I he's gonna get his minutes. But what

1830
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:45,679
Speaker 2: if OKC bounces back in a major way blow they're

1831
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:49,120
Speaker 2: waxing Indiana. And that's why Home Grid doesn't get that

1832
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 2: would be gambling in a nutshell right there, right yeah.

1833
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 1: So you want to be a gambler.

1834
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Speaker 3: Okay, so it's official.

1855
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 2: Schools can now pay athletes directly beginning July first.

1856
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 3: Huge change, and.

1857
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 2: We're still trying to figure out the exact ripple effect.

1858
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 2: I feel like because this change leads to so many

1859
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 2: questions like how is this going to work? How are

1860
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:17,839
Speaker 2: teams gonna divide up the cash among players on their teams?

1861
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 2: So I think that I don't know how you guys feel,

1862
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 2: but that's my first thought is I'd love to give

1863
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:29,120
Speaker 2: you a concrete answer. Like Ryan Day has these goofy

1864
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:34,559
Speaker 2: arguments about for automatic qualifiers in the Big Ten, and

1865
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:38,599
Speaker 2: I see the statements and it's easy to digest.

1866
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:40,920
Speaker 3: Whether you're in or out on his arguments.

1867
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 2: But paying athletes directly, there are so many unanswered questions

1868
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 2: right now of what this is exactly going to look like.

1869
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:52,920
Speaker 2: I think it makes it tougher to be firm one

1870
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:54,719
Speaker 2: way or the other with you're in or you're.

1871
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 3: Out on this whole thing. Right, How do you guys

1872
01:38:56,439 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 3: feel about it?

1873
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:01,719
Speaker 4: Yeah? I kind of Look, we live in a world

1874
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 4: where people want your knee jerk opinion and they want

1875
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 4: it right now, So my knee jerk opinion is good.

1876
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 4: These players have been robbed for years and years and

1877
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 4: years and years and years and years and years. These

1878
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 4: universities and these conferences and these executives who have you know,

1879
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:28,639
Speaker 4: lorded over college football and college basketball profit making college

1880
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 4: sports in general for all of these years have become rich, wealthy,

1881
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:38,639
Speaker 4: generationally wealthy in certain cases, and the athletes in many cases.

1882
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:42,759
Speaker 4: In many cases, I have examples that I know close

1883
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 4: and personally are left broken and penniless after their college career,

1884
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:52,839
Speaker 4: sometimes in debt, Like even guys who were scholarship players

1885
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:56,719
Speaker 4: can be left in debt because they had to take

1886
01:39:56,760 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 4: out loans to just support their lifestyle during college. And

1887
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:03,480
Speaker 4: we're not talking about like, you know, buying a Lamborghini.

1888
01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 4: We're talking about like having enough food in their apartment

1889
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 4: so that they could fuel themselves for the upcoming game

1890
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 4: or practice they had. I digress on that side of

1891
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 4: it to say, you can see the potential drawbacks of

1892
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:20,040
Speaker 4: a system that these players who once were being taken

1893
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 4: advantage of are kind of in the catbird seat. And

1894
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 4: it is a little bit of the wild West right now.

1895
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 4: And what is it going to do? To the whole

1896
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 4: competitive structure of college athletics. Right, what is it going

1897
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:34,720
Speaker 4: to do to athletic departments? What is it going to

1898
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:38,639
Speaker 4: do for opportunities for other athletes on campus? I mean,

1899
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:41,280
Speaker 4: we are going to and we are currently living in

1900
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 4: the land of unintended consequences. So while I'm supportive of

1901
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 4: athletes being paid, I feel like all of this has

1902
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:53,200
Speaker 4: been really rushed, extremely messy, considering this should have been

1903
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:56,800
Speaker 4: handled with delicate consideration over decades, and they should have

1904
01:40:56,880 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 4: had a plan that they rolled out in phases. Instead,

1905
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:04,519
Speaker 4: they're just reacting to headlines and trying to fix things

1906
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:07,679
Speaker 4: on the fly. And it's like when you're the little

1907
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 4: boy next to the damn trying to plug all the

1908
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:12,120
Speaker 4: holes with his fingers, you run out of fingers at

1909
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 4: some points and the damn breaks. So I think we're

1910
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:19,320
Speaker 4: heading toward some sort of damn breaking moment. I don't

1911
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:20,080
Speaker 4: know when it's coming.

1912
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:23,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had to read this story like five times

1913
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 5: just to comprehend it properly.

1914
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:27,640
Speaker 3: R I like to consider it convoluted.

1915
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 1: Pretty smart guy with this stuff. Like I went.

1916
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 8: To school and journalism school and broadcasting school, and then

1917
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:38,800
Speaker 8: I went to you know, studied finance and worked at

1918
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 8: Merrill Lynch and Allian Spernstein and was a financial advisor

1919
01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 8: for several years and understand the nuances of finance.

1920
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 5: And I still had to read this thing like five

1921
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:52,720
Speaker 5: times to understand it. Here are the two main takeaways

1922
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 5: for me. First of all, this is not a classifier

1923
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:00,479
Speaker 5: as a labor suit, meaning it has nothing to do

1924
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 5: with whether or not these college athletes are now employees,

1925
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:06,719
Speaker 5: are not employees of the colleges that they are playing

1926
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:11,760
Speaker 5: sports for. That was a big issue because if they

1927
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:16,439
Speaker 5: are classified as employees, then they can collectively bargain and

1928
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:19,639
Speaker 5: it changes the dynamic of college football and college sports

1929
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 5: even more than it does now. This did not get

1930
01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:26,520
Speaker 5: to that level, so we're not at the level yet

1931
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 5: where this is a labor case.

1932
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:30,200
Speaker 1: This is an anti trust action.

1933
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:36,559
Speaker 5: Essentially, it's college sports suing basically their college athletes essentially

1934
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 5: suing their colleges. That's kind of what this is. That's

1935
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 5: kind of the vibe that I got from it. Here

1936
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 5: was the biggest takeaway for me that I think is

1937
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:48,720
Speaker 5: important and will change the face of college sports is

1938
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 5: the collective that they are going to create, essentially, this

1939
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 5: College Sports Commission that is going to be created, which,

1940
01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 5: by the way, the incident will have nothing to do with,

1941
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,479
Speaker 5: which I think is very important. That to me is

1942
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:05,639
Speaker 5: the most important thing that comes from this is now,

1943
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:08,839
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, you're going to have a college

1944
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 5: Sports Commission that is.

1945
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 1: Going to be created, and you are going.

1946
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 5: To allow these athletes essentially to kind of create their

1947
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 5: own little subdivision. The NCAA used to govern this, well,

1948
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:25,840
Speaker 5: now the College Sports Commission is going to govern this,

1949
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:28,759
Speaker 5: and it's also going to, I think, create a clearing

1950
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:32,200
Speaker 5: house for these nil deals, which is going to determine

1951
01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:33,080
Speaker 5: whether or not they.

1952
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 1: Are fair market value. Because the biggest issue.

1953
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 5: That I think you have, and as Rich alluded to

1954
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 5: the wild West, why does one college team, why does

1955
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:46,679
Speaker 5: one athletic program get this and can grade this whereas

1956
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 5: this program grades this guy.

1957
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:49,959
Speaker 1: I know, again it sounds really convoluted.

1958
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:54,680
Speaker 5: We need one body to say this player is worth this,

1959
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:58,200
Speaker 5: this is fair market value. We have this in the NFL, right,

1960
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:01,959
Speaker 5: we kind of know if a quarterback is being overpaid

1961
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 5: or underpaid based on what the market value is, what

1962
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:07,600
Speaker 5: the salary cap is. We need some kind of baseline,

1963
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:10,920
Speaker 5: and that's a hard thing to establish because then people

1964
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:13,800
Speaker 5: are gonna argue about what the baseline should or shouldn't be,

1965
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:17,839
Speaker 5: but we need a again college Sports Commission to create

1966
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 5: some kind of baseline to determine how much money a

1967
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:25,600
Speaker 5: player is actually worth in the market. I think we

1968
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:28,799
Speaker 5: are taking steps now to do this. This is again

1969
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:32,200
Speaker 5: very in the weeds, very convoluted, but the goal of

1970
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 5: it was to create this College Sports Commission and to

1971
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 5: create some kind of clearinghouse which can accurately assess how

1972
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:43,320
Speaker 5: much these players are worth, which then we can actually

1973
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:46,439
Speaker 5: pay them what they're worth. So I think we're moving

1974
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:48,479
Speaker 5: in that direction, but we're still a very long way

1975
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:49,240
Speaker 5: away from the end.

1976
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:50,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1977
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the part where I think what Richie were saying,

1978
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:58,000
Speaker 2: and it goes into what you're saying also, Jared. Where

1979
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 2: As far as the players, I love it, but as

1980
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 2: far as college football, it's like I don't exactly know

1981
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:09,880
Speaker 2: what we're going to be looking at, you know. So

1982
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:14,760
Speaker 2: it's long overdue. In terms of athletes getting their like

1983
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:17,360
Speaker 2: minor chunk of the pie, twenty and a half million

1984
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 2: dollars per school sounds like.

1985
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,360
Speaker 3: Whoa, they're breaking the bank.

1986
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:22,640
Speaker 2: It's like that's a drop in the bucket compared to

1987
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 2: the money they bring in with these TV deals like

1988
01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:30,599
Speaker 2: March Madness and the College Football Playoff. That's like, you know,

1989
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 2: the money they generate, you kind of like sneeze twenty

1990
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:35,560
Speaker 2: and a half million dollars.

1991
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:37,639
Speaker 3: Like oh thea zoom tight, Like are you okay?

1992
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 2: That's twenty and a half million dollars in the grand

1993
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:43,839
Speaker 2: scheme of things. So I'm totally fine with players getting

1994
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:48,720
Speaker 2: a minor share of what they deserve, but what it

1995
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:51,960
Speaker 2: means for the sport exactly, there are a lot of

1996
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:55,280
Speaker 2: layers that you might not even be considering right now.

1997
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:57,559
Speaker 2: And I think a little bit of this. You get

1998
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 2: a taste with nil. And I've said this many times before.

1999
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 2: I've said it off air, you know, to my dad.

2000
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 2: We'll talk and you'll get these complaints about nil and oh,

2001
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 2: now we have a holdout. Remember that story happened a

2002
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:15,559
Speaker 2: little bit ago, Like, oh we might have holdouts now,

2003
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:18,160
Speaker 2: we didn't have this before. And it's like, look, the

2004
01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:21,280
Speaker 2: players deserve to get paid, and where it goes from

2005
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:22,240
Speaker 2: there it goes.

2006
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:24,600
Speaker 3: I really do believe that.

2007
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 2: But some of these discussions and arguments, I can totally

2008
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 2: understand someone saying, hey, I'm all for players getting paid.

2009
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 2: But I just don't want to hear about all this stuff.

2010
01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 2: All this stuff is just.

2011
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:38,680
Speaker 3: Like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. It's convoluted,

2012
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:39,480
Speaker 3: it's confusing.

2013
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:43,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about holdouts and market value

2014
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:47,040
Speaker 2: and what it might lead to the unintended consequences. I

2015
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:49,879
Speaker 2: can totally understand a college football fan saying.

2016
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:51,680
Speaker 3: I just care about college football.

2017
01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:54,639
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything wrong as long as you're

2018
01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:58,720
Speaker 2: not against players making a dime that that seems kind

2019
01:46:58,760 --> 01:46:59,479
Speaker 2: of foolish to me.

2020
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that. I think as long as

2021
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:06,760
Speaker 4: you aren't on the extreme side of this one way

2022
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:10,160
Speaker 4: or the other, I think you're gonna be pretty satiated

2023
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 4: by what college football looks like in the future, which

2024
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 4: is going to be kind of like college football has

2025
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,200
Speaker 4: always looked. They're gonna be teams who are gonna be

2026
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 4: fighting their app up against each other, and you know,

2027
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:25,920
Speaker 4: the rules will change with the times, but not so

2028
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:29,000
Speaker 4: violently and abruptly that it isn't going to resemble the

2029
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:32,360
Speaker 4: sport that you grew up watching and loving. But I mean,

2030
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 4: with this new structure and direct paid players, you're going

2031
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 4: to have more fair compensation for all players, not just

2032
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:44,719
Speaker 4: for the lucky few. There should be more transparency, will see.

2033
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:50,679
Speaker 4: My hope is there's more transparency recruiting clarity. I think

2034
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:53,559
Speaker 4: one of the things that have happened as a result

2035
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:57,639
Speaker 4: of the NIL era that we entered into in earnest

2036
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:01,400
Speaker 4: about six years ago is is the fact that we

2037
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:05,000
Speaker 4: don't know where the slush fund of cash is coming from.

2038
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:07,800
Speaker 4: And that kind of ties back to the whole transparency thing,

2039
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 4: and it's going to avoid exploitation of college athletes, whether

2040
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:15,320
Speaker 4: whether they're making money or not. Like, you know, it

2041
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:19,639
Speaker 4: was exploitive to have free labor. You know, these are

2042
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:23,000
Speaker 4: some of the best entertainers on the player on the planet.

2043
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:28,280
Speaker 4: Getting zero dollars a multi billion dollar organization that the

2044
01:48:28,479 --> 01:48:32,799
Speaker 4: labor force is getting zero dollars for it makes zero sense.

2045
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:36,160
Speaker 4: But then there can be exploitation on the other side.

2046
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:38,479
Speaker 4: You know, if somebody is being paid by some third

2047
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 4: party entity that they have a great awareness of or not,

2048
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:46,680
Speaker 4: and then they are kind of held to the strictures

2049
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:49,360
Speaker 4: of that agreement throughout the course of their college career.

2050
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:52,679
Speaker 4: That can be a scary place too. So, look, there

2051
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:56,200
Speaker 4: are positives, there's no question, but there are drawbacks. We're

2052
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:59,960
Speaker 4: going to open up the door to the resource gap

2053
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:03,920
Speaker 4: amongst schools. The rich schools are going to get richer.

2054
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 4: Title nine complexities, you know, gender equality, things like that.

2055
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 4: Those conversations are yet to come. And then program cuts,

2056
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:15,800
Speaker 4: You're going to see it across the country. I guarantee it.

2057
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 4: Athletic departments are going to shrink. They're not going to

2058
01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:21,799
Speaker 4: get better because athletic departments spend a lot of money

2059
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:24,439
Speaker 4: and they spend it on other sports. And if they're

2060
01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:26,400
Speaker 4: spending the bulk share of their money on their profit

2061
01:49:26,439 --> 01:49:29,720
Speaker 4: margin sports, that means other sports gotta go. And that's

2062
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 4: just going to be the reality we live in.

2063
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:34,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, let me just put this in perspective for a second,

2064
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:36,680
Speaker 5: because it's really wild to frame it this way. The

2065
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:40,799
Speaker 5: House first NCAA, which was what this settlement was based around,

2066
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:45,760
Speaker 5: this original core case, was filed in twenty twenty. That

2067
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:49,719
Speaker 5: is how long the adjudication process has taken here five

2068
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:54,280
Speaker 5: frickin years to finally get a settlement on how this

2069
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:57,920
Speaker 5: is all going to play out. Like again, think about

2070
01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 5: that for a second. We say the slow wheels of justice,

2071
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:04,800
Speaker 5: I mean this is really slow. Five years this case

2072
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 5: has been talked about and then now finally settled. I'm

2073
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:14,080
Speaker 5: gonna read you a quote from a Front Office sports article.

2074
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:16,639
Speaker 5: Amanda Christovitch did a great job covering this story. I'm

2075
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:19,760
Speaker 5: going to read this blurb because I think, again, this

2076
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:23,439
Speaker 5: is the most important part of this story, and it's

2077
01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:25,280
Speaker 5: our job. I know this is a convoluted story. I

2078
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 5: think it's our job as broadcaster, as a journalist to

2079
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:30,360
Speaker 5: take all this information absorbit and regurgitate what the most

2080
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:31,400
Speaker 5: important part is back.

2081
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read this directly.

2082
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:37,000
Speaker 5: NIL collectives will face more scrutiny with deals they offer players.

2083
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:41,000
Speaker 5: The settlement sets up a clearinghouse to check whether NIL

2084
01:50:41,080 --> 01:50:45,680
Speaker 5: collective deals appear to be fair market value instead of

2085
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:48,880
Speaker 5: pay for play. The clearing house runs through a software

2086
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:51,560
Speaker 5: created by Deloitte and an accounting firm with an opportunity

2087
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:54,280
Speaker 5: to appeal for an independent body. What this does essentially

2088
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:57,959
Speaker 5: sets up kind of what baseball does with an arbitration process.

2089
01:50:58,240 --> 01:50:59,640
Speaker 1: This is what a players.

2090
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 5: Worth at this exactly. It is a salary cap with

2091
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 5: arbitration eligibility baked into it. The goal is to analyze

2092
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:10,680
Speaker 5: each player and try to figure.

2093
01:51:10,360 --> 01:51:11,920
Speaker 1: Out how much they're actually worth.

2094
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:15,000
Speaker 5: Because we hear about all these deals fIF twenty million,

2095
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:18,559
Speaker 5: this and that. How much is Bryce Underwood actually worth,

2096
01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 5: and then how much is he getting paid? That is

2097
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:25,160
Speaker 5: the only way to fairly set this process up, so

2098
01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:28,000
Speaker 5: teams that are kind of on that cusp of an

2099
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:31,639
Speaker 5: elite program don't look up and say, well, man, we're

2100
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:33,920
Speaker 5: really behind the eight ball. Maybe you're not behind the

2101
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:36,439
Speaker 5: eight ball as much as possible. I think that, to

2102
01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:38,519
Speaker 5: me is the most important part of this story, is

2103
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:42,240
Speaker 5: to figure out a way to grade these players and

2104
01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:44,680
Speaker 5: create some kind of fair market value so we know,

2105
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:48,760
Speaker 5: all right, who's getting overpaid, who's getting underpaid, and just

2106
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:51,639
Speaker 5: kind of slot them into a certain point, because right

2107
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:53,600
Speaker 5: now it is just all right, you're getting this, and

2108
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:55,639
Speaker 5: you're getting that, you're getting this, and there's no way

2109
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:58,000
Speaker 5: to actually figure out if what we're doing is fair.

2110
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:01,680
Speaker 2: Well, I'll just say real fast, I think there's a

2111
01:52:01,720 --> 01:52:05,640
Speaker 2: tendency because it feels so different where it's like, this

2112
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:09,920
Speaker 2: is radically different than anything we've ever experienced.

2113
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 4: Ever.

2114
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 2: You've got schools directly paying players, and it's like, when

2115
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:17,400
Speaker 2: you stop and think about it, it's not that radically different.

2116
01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:20,240
Speaker 3: We've had the nil era for years now.

2117
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:24,080
Speaker 2: Players have made money, you know, and it's gonna lead

2118
01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:27,320
Speaker 2: to the haves and the have nots. The rich schools

2119
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:30,920
Speaker 2: get better players, the poorer schools they don't get the

2120
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:34,519
Speaker 2: better players. Typically, we've never had that before. We've never

2121
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:38,920
Speaker 2: had you know, these machines just reloading come on, man like.

2122
01:52:39,320 --> 01:52:43,760
Speaker 2: So it feels like people just overreact to wea not

2123
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 2: the college football I grew up on. But it's it's

2124
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:50,479
Speaker 2: not as radically different as you might initially think. That's

2125
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:53,320
Speaker 2: one thing, and the ripple effect to see where it goes.

2126
01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:56,160
Speaker 2: I think players should get paid, and we've talked about

2127
01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 2: this before, but there are some unintended consequences that you

2128
01:52:59,080 --> 01:53:01,160
Speaker 2: might not be in favor of. You can be in

2129
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:03,360
Speaker 2: favor of players getting paid, but what it leads to

2130
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:05,920
Speaker 2: you might oppose. It can work like that, like if

2131
01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:08,400
Speaker 2: we don't have walk ons, that's a big deal.

2132
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:09,559
Speaker 3: That's a big deal.

2133
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:13,400
Speaker 2: And rich you talked about this, the sports that don't

2134
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:16,720
Speaker 2: draw money. I hate the idea of hey, we just

2135
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:20,519
Speaker 2: don't offer bowling anymore or across country or whatever. And

2136
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:24,400
Speaker 2: it's like we shouldn't just be solely focused on making

2137
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:27,559
Speaker 2: a buck and that's it. Like these sports these kids

2138
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 2: go to schools and have tremendous experiences playing these sports

2139
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:35,080
Speaker 2: that you might have some of your fondest memories in life.

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Speaker 2: It might have taught you things that you apply.

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Speaker 3: To your life.

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Speaker 2: You should have those sports available, but now they don't

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Speaker 2: generate money, so the heck with it. We got this

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Speaker 2: new day and age. That's sad to me. So there

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Speaker 2: are some things that it can lead to that I

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Speaker 2: would oppose, even though I'm in favor of players getting paid.

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Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield's a walk on. JJ Watt's a walk on.

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Speaker 4: What if that's.

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Speaker 3: Dead and gone? That's crazy to think about it like that.

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Speaker 4: It's where we're we're entering a phase where you're gonna

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Speaker 4: see schools going full send, where they're gonna look at

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Speaker 4: Title nine and they're gonna say, all right, what are

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Speaker 4: the least amount of other programs we can possibly have

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Speaker 4: on campus so that we can make sure that we

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Speaker 4: can feel the best football team or the best basketball

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Speaker 4: team that we possibly can field. And yeah, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 4: The the the tangent effect of that we may not

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Speaker 4: feel for a full generation, but you know, as a

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Speaker 4: culture will feel it. We will and and and like

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Speaker 4: like like any major change, you are always living in

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Speaker 4: a repetitive cycle of unintended consequences for your actions. The

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Speaker 4: unfortunate the unfortunate reality is the lawmakers, the congressional people,

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Speaker 4: the head coaches, the executives in the NCAA, the conference

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Speaker 4: commissioners and their party. All of these people had an

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Speaker 4: opportunity to lay out a really cohesive plan over the

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Speaker 4: past couple decades where this was a back burner item

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Speaker 4: that they knew would become front and center at some point.

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Speaker 4: And really it took the age of social media and

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Speaker 4: a pandemic for to change, and they could have had

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Speaker 4: a plan and laid it out. They heeded no warning,

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Speaker 4: they saw no caution lights. They just put the pedal

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Speaker 4: to the floor, try to make as much money as possible,

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Speaker 4: and we are all, unfortunately going to suffer the consequences

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Speaker 4: for that that inaction over the past decade and a

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Speaker 4: half plus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's rich Oreinberger, Penn State All American,

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Speaker 2: Jared Smith FSR betting analyst.

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Speaker 2: got some rapid fire, rapid fire picks for you.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Rapid fire, all right, shared, we start.

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Speaker 1: With you, what do you like all NBA, and then

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Speaker 1: a little pony pick at the end for you. Let's

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Speaker 1: start with an SGP.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna put Oklahoma City first half money line in

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Speaker 5: my SGP. It's juicy, but we're also gonna pair it

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Speaker 5: with Jay and Williams to get five or more assists.

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Speaker 5: And if you pair that up at bet MGM plus

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Speaker 5: money plus one oh five, not a bad SGP. Okace

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Speaker 5: first half money line, Jaylen Williams five plus assists, I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna bet the over two twenty eight and a half

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01:57:35,360 --> 01:57:37,640
Speaker 5: in a game you saw just a little bit of

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Speaker 5: a downtick from what we saw in the game one total,

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Speaker 5: which was around two thirty. I think the Thunder gonna

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01:57:42,840 --> 01:57:44,920
Speaker 5: push the tempo similar to what they did in game

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Speaker 5: two after losing Game one to Denver. They dropped a

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Speaker 5: buck fifty in that game, which is why we're also

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Speaker 5: gonna lay it with the Thunder minus.

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Speaker 1: Ten and a half.

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Speaker 5: I know you're thinking to yourself, what do you mean,

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01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:56,640
Speaker 5: Indiana just won the game out right? Now you're gonna

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01:57:56,680 --> 01:57:58,800
Speaker 5: lay ten points with Okace in game two?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're gonna see zigzag here. I think

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Speaker 1: the books are making you pay premium for good.

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Speaker 5: Reason, and your Belmont Steaks pick, we're going with journalism. Yes,

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Speaker 5: journalism prevails in the Belmont Stakes. About an eight to

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Speaker 5: five morning line.

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Speaker 4: Okay, direct opposition with Jared for all of the opposite reasons.

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Speaker 4: He pointed out to ride with Okac. I'm going plus

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Speaker 4: ten and a half on the Indiana Pacers. I understand

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Speaker 4: the zigzact nature of the postseason, but I think you

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Speaker 4: know finals it's it's so cliche, but I feel like

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Speaker 4: everyone lays it on the line. These games are so

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Speaker 4: much closer typically aside from blowouts. All right, moving on

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Speaker 4: to the total on that game, I'm gonna say the

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01:58:42,320 --> 01:58:46,960
Speaker 4: underhits because they're letting these teams play defense. This is

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01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:50,120
Speaker 4: a level of physicality that both squads aren't used to

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01:58:50,160 --> 01:58:52,720
Speaker 4: being allowed to play with and also aren't used to

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01:58:52,880 --> 01:58:56,560
Speaker 4: seeing on the floor. During these games, refs are swallowing

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01:58:56,600 --> 01:58:59,800
Speaker 4: the whistles and sticking with totals. I'm gonna take Padres

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01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:03,200
Speaker 4: in Milwaukee. Give me the over eight and a half runs.

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01:59:03,560 --> 01:59:06,640
Speaker 4: The offense is heating up in San Diago and McCulloch

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Speaker 4: on the mound. He's been consistent, but he can beget

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Speaker 4: to I got the over eight and a half, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, I go fast because I have no choice.

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Speaker 2: Give me Bob, and Bob I trust Sergei Lebrovski over

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01:59:20,120 --> 01:59:22,520
Speaker 2: twenty five and a half points, edwardson ton of shots

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Speaker 2: on goal.

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Speaker 3: That's right, give me Bob.

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Speaker 2: I'll take chet holmgrin to bounce back over eight and

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Speaker 2: a half rebounds. His minutes go up, completely outclassed on

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Speaker 2: the boards. Okay, see what was that? Changes and give

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Speaker 2: me Halliburton after a great game winner. Give me under twenty.

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Speaker 3: Five and a half points and assists.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy