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Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is

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Speaker 1: really with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show of My name is Mac,

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Speaker 1: my name is Noel, and I am Ben. I am

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Speaker 1: Most importantly, you're here and listeners that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Thanks so much. This

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Speaker 1: is our last show of the year. You guys. The

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Speaker 1: you know the various apocalyptic cults around the world are

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Speaker 1: you today. Today, instead of looking at a specific topic

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Speaker 1: to help you out for um. You know, many of

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Speaker 1: here to the future. And so Matt, this, this uh

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Speaker 1: do so. I didn't hear this the Internet. The internets,

430
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: just like when CISPO was coming through and people and

431
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: all that stuff, they are responding at least anyone who's

432
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: interested in encryption and keeping information safe. They are responding

433
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: with great vitriol to this. So if you are interested

434
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: in that, just do a Google search for Manhattan Project.

435
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: Uh and literally you will get all the news. It's

436
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: it's pretty insane. And last thing, if we're talking about

437
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: late Christmas presents, which I don't know I keep doing,

438
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: but I guess I've been getting some good gifts this year. Um,

439
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: have have you heard of the comics series The Manhattan Projects?

440
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: This sounds familiar, but I don't. But I don't. I've

441
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: never read it. I'll just give you the The basic

442
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: premise is that Robert Oppenheimer, who created the atomic bomb,

443
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 1: actually had a evil twin um who lived completely separately.

444
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: They were separated at birth, but they grew up completely,

445
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: completely separate environments. Whereas the real Robert up Robert Oppenheimer,

446
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, was educated and became a very well respected

447
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: researcher scientist. His brother ended up on the streets and

448
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, in different psychiatric facilities, etcetera. But they had

449
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: the same intellect. And the very first scene in the

450
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: book is basically the real Robert Oppenheimer sign signing on

451
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: for the Manhattan Projects and then his brothers showing up

452
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: and murdering him and taking his place. And it's also

453
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: set like in this kind of dystopian, weird sort of

454
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: future past kind of scenario where like not like steampunk,

455
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: but kind of like you know, it definitely feels like

456
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: the time period that it's supposed to, but there are

457
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: like aliens and there's weird technology and things were just

458
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: a little off. It's sort of this alternate reality, alternate

459
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: history kind of thing. Um. And it's ongoing, and it's

460
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: in trade paperback. So that's a that's a really cool

461
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: book I have. I'm not nearly in it enough as

462
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: I should be, as much as I should be, but

463
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: I recommend giving that a look. For sure. Writing it

464
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: down sounds awesome. We'll shoat me onto another topic. Oh well,

465
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. UM, I guess I'm gonna call this

466
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: the Ballad of Martin Screlling, because I don't know. It's

467
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: such schaden freud, you know, but I just at the

468
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's it's entertaining to me. And

469
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: it pointed out some really big, big issues with the

470
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: whole big Pharma um machine. And uh, this originally kind

471
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: of came up right around the time, um we did

472
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: an episode on the Big pharma and UM just how

473
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: a lot of the machinations and that business model you know,

474
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: are a little bit inherently shady, and but they're not

475
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: not necessarily um out in the open. And you have

476
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: this kid, Martin Screlly, who essentially broadcasts everything that's wrong

477
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: with this industry in the most you know, millennial oversharing

478
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: kind of way, you know, just tweeting out all of

479
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: these like responses to his critics. And if you guys

480
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: don't know Martin Screlly, um is this I believe he's

481
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: thirty thirty two years old, UM guy who has you know,

482
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: done very well for himself managing pharmaceutical companies and doing

483
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: these startup pharmaceutical companies. And he made the news, uh

484
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: several months back when he raised the price of a

485
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 1: very old drug that he had bought called dara prim

486
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: that's used to treat toxoplasmosis, which is a is a

487
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: condition that um is very common in general population, especially

488
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: in France and well people that a lot of people

489
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: that comes from cats. This is one thing that I

490
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: always here and it's very can go unnoticed undetected in

491
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: people that are healthy otherwise, but in cancer patients that

492
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: are receiving chemo and have lowered immune systems and um

493
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: AIDS HIV patients UM this can be debilitating, It can

494
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 1: totally destroy their immune system, shut manage. I just basically,

495
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: I don't wanna I don't wanna talk too much in

496
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: um in this in this show, because God knows I

497
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: talk a lot. But in Toxic we did an episode

498
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: about toxoplasmosis regarding the nature of the infection, because there's

499
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: compelling evidence that it actually changes people's personalities in terms

500
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: of accelerating some forms of mental illness, just schizophrenia or paranoia,

501
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: and it affects genders differently. So this is this is

502
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: something that uh, this is something that I know there

503
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: are a lot of stereotypes about France, but this is

504
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: something that baffles a lot of people to to nose

505
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: earlier point, ladies and gentlemen. Toxoplasmosis is not generally a

506
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: lifelong infection, nor is it generally lethal, but it can

507
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: change your behavior. So if you ever notice that your

508
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: friend with a lot of cats it's getting to be

509
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of a shut in or even a

510
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: little bit promiscuous, take care and blame Martin Screlly because

511
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: it's going to be much more expensive for that person

512
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: and to get well. It's true, and so um going back,

513
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: that's that's interesting stuff for sure. I'm sorry. I have

514
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: images now of of the crazy cat lady who's just

515
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: very flirty, like overly flirty, but also just covered and

516
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: cut here well, and they say too that like if

517
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: you haven't, then cats are more attracted to you. I

518
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: think we talked about this, Ben does that. I think

519
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: that's true anyway that um So, this drug dar prem

520
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: has actually been around since nineteen three and up until now,

521
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: it's been believed to be the best treatment for this

522
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: particular parasite. And um so Martin Screlly and his company

523
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: Touring Pharmaceuticals, which he founded, um As, I guess I'm

524
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: gonna use the term pharmaceutical startup, which to me is counterintuitive,

525
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: like it just kind of like it seems like you

526
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: should shouldn't be able to just start a pharmaceutical company

527
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: overnight like you would an app or something like that.

528
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: But that's just me. So Screlly purchased the rights to

529
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: this particular drug and for his company and overnight raised

530
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: the cost of it more than fifty five fold. And um,

531
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: I believe it was something like, uh, seven hundred dollars

532
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: a pill from like fifty dollars a pille. Yeah, And

533
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: so there was this huge outcry overnight. He became you

534
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: know what, folks are calling the most hated man alive,

535
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, and the Internet responded as they do with

536
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, pitchforks and torches in the form of hateful

537
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: Twitter rants much deserved, and U Screlly just kind of

538
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: doubled down and responded directly and this was like quoting

539
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: rap lyrics and at his detractors and just didn't do

540
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: himself any favors and just kept doubling down. That's the

541
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: thing about the story that I find so fascinating because

542
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: it's like you're seeing all this in real time, these

543
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: things that the pharmaceutical industries don't want you to know

544
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: about this guy. This kid is just like spilling the

545
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: beans on all of this excess. I'm not saying that

546
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: everyone's like this. They you know, there was a big

547
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical group that ejected him. The Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers

548
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: of America, which is a large consort shim of different

549
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical companies, just completely threw him under the bus in

550
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: terms of you know, saying that this is not our philosophy.

551
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: This guy is completely counter to the way we do business.

552
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: And while that's a you know, probably a smart pr move,

553
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not entirely true. I mean, there's definitely

554
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: some underhanded dealings that go on in any kind of business,

555
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: and I would imagine in the pharmaceutical but especially because

556
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: price gouging has been a concern politically for a long

557
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: time and it's something that we still see. This to me, though,

558
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: was just such a brazen example of this just in

559
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: the public eye, someone that has zero filter, and uh,

560
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: the story gets weirder, doesn't it. Yeah, the the whole

561
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: live streaming thing, really, I don't know, maybe going yeah, well,

562
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: but even before that, so, you know, so he did

563
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: this thing with the drug and there was just a

564
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: public outcry. You went on talk shows and basically said,

565
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, hey, I make money. That's that's what I do.

566
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: That's my job. You can't hold it against me that

567
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm um charging what this particular drug is worth. You know,

568
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: it's been under uh you know, it's been undervalued for

569
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: this long and now based on you know, these calculations

570
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: that me and my people have done. We've decided that

571
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: it is in fact worth this and it is it

572
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: is a you know, an equitable cost for this treatment,

573
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: and you know how many based on how many people

574
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: it effects, etcetera. So then he after I mean, Bernie

575
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: Sanders was tweeting Adham, Hillary Clinton, you know, everyone just

576
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: totally throwing this guy under the bus. He comes back

577
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: and says, you know what, after some serious consideration, U

578
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: decided that we're going to lower the cost um. But

579
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: he doesn't say how much, doesn't say when, and then

580
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: basically he changes his mind again and says, you know what,

581
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: psych and completely lets it go. Not even basically that's

582
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: exactly what he did. Yeah, So then this is the

583
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: part where it gets real weird. Um, this guy has

584
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: a kind of easy, sort of a music freak. He's

585
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: really into collecting music memorabilia. Apparently he had as uh,

586
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: one of Kurt Cobain's credit cards that he whips out

587
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: at fancy cocktail parties to impress his friends. You know.

588
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: Weird right, So um, he there was Guys out there

589
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: may be aware that the Wu Tang Clan are really

590
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: popular hip hop outfit that's been around since the l

591
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: eighties early nineties, very very important group. A lot of

592
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: people went on from that to have a very successful

593
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: solo careers. Alderty Bastard, Um, the method Man, etcetera. And

594
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: the head of the group the Rizza. UM does a

595
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: lot of music for movies, Jim Jarmish movies, and UM

596
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: did a lot of the music for the Tarantino films,

597
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: the kill Bill series. UM. So they don't understand why,

598
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: but their newest record, they decided they were going to

599
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: make one insanely what's the word been, bespoke version. Yeah,

600
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: just just like completely like gold you know, Philip Greed

601
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: leather bound tome, you know, with like parchment pay bur

602
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: with the liner notes and this. You see it. It's

603
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: it's quite beautiful. But they didn't exactly put a price

604
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: on it, but they were going to auction it off

605
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: to the highest bidder, and the story dropped that it

606
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: had sold because people were kind of making fun of this.

607
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: They were like, it was gonna pay million dollars for

608
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: a woot tang record, and then all of a sudden

609
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: it's sold. And there's actually a lot of speculation for

610
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: a while on the Internet that it was in fact

611
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino because he's a huge fan, has worked with Rizza, etcetera. Uh,

612
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: no surprise, it's their boy, Martin Screlly. Yeah, what a

613
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: freaking turn. I can't believe that that's who bought it.

614
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: It was absurd. It was like this guy had already

615
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: just been in the news just like becoming this this

616
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: hilarious like super villain. And now he's gonna take the

617
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: Woutang Clan record for himself. So so maybe he's he's

618
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: riding high. Even though riz A clearly despises him and

619
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: they have a public feud on Twitter, he still has uh,

620
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: an album that many hip hop fans would likely covet.

621
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: And uh, it doesn't end there, though it continues. It

622
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: does continue, but just there were some quotes in this

623
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: article where it talks where he kind of responds to

624
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: his feud with Rizza. And I read this and I'm like,

625
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: this is this real? Who said? Who would say these things?

626
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: And yes it's real. Quote, I bought the album. There's

627
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: a big bleeping check in Rizza an album producer Clevering's pocket. Now, um,

628
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: and he says, this Woodchan Klan thing is starting to

629
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: get pretty tense. You probably see that increasingly. I'm getting

630
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: pretty frustrated by it. I bought the most expensive album

631
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: in the history of mankind and bleeping Rizza is talking

632
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: bleep behind my back and online. In plain sight, I'm

633
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: just getting piste off. That's not the way I do business.

634
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: If I hand you two million dollars, bleeping show me

635
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: some respect, at least have the decency to say nothing

636
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: or no comment. And that's not the end, either, is it.

637
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: That is not the end. There's a There is a

638
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: happy ending, I would say, although we don't really know

639
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 1: how happy that ending is going to be. So last week,

640
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: on December seventeenth, the Internet rejoiced when Martin Screlly was

641
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: taken away from his Manhattan apartment wearing a gray hoodie

642
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: and handcuffs by the FBI for supposedly allegedly defrauding his

643
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: investors at the company that he had run prior to touring,

644
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: called Retro Finn. And supposedly he had made some um

645
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: investments on behalf of some folks and they did not

646
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: work out, and so he was basically funneling money through

647
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: the company allegedly in order to um put money back

648
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: where he had taken it, you know, and to kind

649
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: of make sure the investors. We're happy temporarily, but it

650
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: was all just kind of like a you know, robbing

651
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: Peter to pay Paul kind of situation security exact exactly. Um,

652
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: he bailed himself out for five million dollars and UM

653
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: now he's you know, awaiting, awaiting trial. And he basically

654
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: has come out and said that all of this high profile,

655
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: horrible behavior on his part was just a social experiment

656
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: just to kind of see, you know, how people would react.

657
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: It was a prank brouh. Yeah, I can I can

658
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: see him ending up in South America somewhere. I mean,

659
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: if you have two million dollars to spend on an album,

660
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: you probably have the means to get a fake passport

661
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: or even maybe a legitimate looking and perhaps actual passport.

662
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: And the final blip in this story thus far is

663
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: actually Um there at the end, right before he got busted.

664
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: Oh and also there's a wonderful you can find this online.

665
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: He live streamed several days of his life, UM, and

666
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: a lot of it is him playing Xbox, playing guitar,

667
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: chatting with UM high school seniors from his previous from

668
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: the place he went to high school in New York.

669
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: UM getting asked to the prom and you know, saying

670
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: that he would give references to Columbia University of these

671
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: particular students. Things like that. Um, really classy stuff. Um.

672
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: He The latest story is that he was fired as

673
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: the CEO of another company called Calobiospharmaceuticals that he acquired

674
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: relatively recently. UM and did some pretty interesting financial gymnastics

675
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: in order to inflate the price. And UM a lot

676
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: of investors who were doing a short sale, right, Yeah,

677
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: the definition would be the sale of a security that

678
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: you don't own or that you have borrowed. And so

679
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: your idea the motivation for that is, uh, you're making

680
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: a bet that the price of the security is going

681
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: to go down, so you can you can borrow it,

682
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: sell it. It'll go down to a lower price, and

683
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: you make a profit. So you can do it as

684
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: speculation or to hedge the downside risk of a of

685
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: a long game. So what actually happened was this particular

686
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: company was about to go under and Screwlly Uh and

687
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: his you know investors are touring, to my understanding, scooped

688
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: it up and completely screwed that short sale. So they

689
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: were investors that were betting that it was going to

690
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: go down, and in fact the price of the stock

691
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: and continued to rise. And so I was reading an

692
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: article where a guy was talking about how he it

693
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: was actually a message board that I found, um, where

694
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: this guy was talking about how he uh now all

695
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: of a sudden ode e trade two dollars just overnight

696
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: because of this pet did not work out in his favor.

697
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: And it's because of you know, this relatively shady transaction

698
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: that Mr Screwlly participated in look good for the company though, right,

699
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: maybe there are people who worked there. Don't let don't

700
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: let me interject too much here, but what maybe it's

701
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: better listeners, Um, I know a lot of people meet

702
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: myself included, will to know when when we hear this

703
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: abstract sort of removed financial talk. So let's root it

704
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: in a physical object. The three of us are guys.

705
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: Could you pick, like just an object of some sort

706
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: of worth. Rubik's cube? Okay, so a rube excube. So

707
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: here's how short selling works. So Noel has a rub excute,

708
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: Matt does not. But Matt wants to make a little money.

709
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: He wants to get a he wants to have a hustle. Right,

710
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: but he checks, he checks where he lives and where

711
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: he works, and it's Wall Street, so he can't just

712
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: go out and sell bootleg DVDs. Instead, what he does

713
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: is he borrows a rub Excute from Noel, and the

714
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: rub excube at the time he borrows it is worth

715
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 1: let's say, thirty dollars, and he sells this rube Excute

716
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: to someone else, which unfortunately would be me in the equation,

717
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 1: I'm the one getting swindled here, um, and I buy

718
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: it for thirty dollars. But then the price of not

719
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: just that rub Excute, but every rub excube in the

720
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: world old or in town or wherever rube excubes are held,

721
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: drops to fifteen dollars or even just five, and you're

722
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: still making money. And so what Matt does then is

723
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: buys another rub excube or buys the same rube exscue

724
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: back from me if I'm completely getting screwed, and then

725
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: returns your rube excube. No harm done, but he's got

726
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: fifteen extra dollars. That's how it works, and I and

727
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: I hope that's not um overthinking it, but it takes

728
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: it's difficult at times to understand just the abstract terms

729
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: getting thrown around without being in a physical object. It's

730
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: not illegal, yes, and I didn't mean to imply that

731
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: what he did was illegal, but it's just kind of,

732
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: um it's the kind of thing that people you know

733
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: suffer for. Yeah. Yeah again another, these are great things

734
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: to discuss at the dinner table or afterwards. Think so too.

735
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: And I mean this one if there's a lot of

736
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: humor in this story, to me, I think it's you know,

737
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: and it certainly could be something that if you've got

738
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: a hardcore capitalist uncle, you know, it is going to

739
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: be like, well, that's how it's supposed to be. You know,

740
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: this kid did did absolutely nothing wrong. He's totally in

741
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: the right, in the clear. But see, I think someone

742
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: who's taking that perspective is going to just not like

743
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: this guy because he's a young kid. That's the flame thing.

744
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: And I was talking with our coworker Casey about this story. Um,

745
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: he's been following it too, you know. And uh, in

746
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: a similar with a similar kind of schaden freud kind

747
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: of attitude is me because this kid, he's just got

748
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: the most punchable face. You know, it's just you just

749
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: want you want to see him go down because he's

750
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: just so cocky. You just I mean and brazenly just

751
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: unapologetic about this stuff. Um Casey was like, you know what,

752
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: I bet that you know, you know he did all

753
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: this stuff that is technically legal. Only now is he

754
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: getting led away in cuffs because you know, he took

755
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: some money from some rich folks on Wall Street supposedly,

756
00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: and that's what it takes. But why but why now?

757
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: Because he's running his mouth too much. You know, he's

758
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: spilling the beans too much. You know, people don't want

759
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: this this out in the open on Twitter like this,

760
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: like put him away at least scare him, get him

761
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: to shut up, like you said, Maybe he just goes away,

762
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: Maybe he ends up in uh, you know, the Cayman

763
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: Island somewhere, you know. To be um, to be completely objective,

764
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: it is true that this investigation was ongoing before of

765
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: course before end. But yeah, I admit timings interesting. All right, now,

766
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: you know it's winded down, you guys are everybody's getting

767
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: a little tired. Everybody's skill us right now. Let's get

768
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 1: heavy with it, but not the way you might be thinking.

769
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: Let's talk about hallucinogens with the family. This is a

770
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: cool topic that you can bring up from a clinical

771
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: scientific angle. I guess you can discuss the things that

772
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: we talked about with using hallucinogens. More recently has treatments

773
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: for things such as PTSD, such as depression, and a

774
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: couple other addiction addiction, addiction. We've talked specifically about addiction,

775
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: so check out our episodes on this. I think it

776
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: will be a great thing to discuss because there is

777
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: somebody in your family who went to Woodstock. There's there's

778
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: probably somebody who maybe was a bit of a hippie

779
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: in your family back in the day. Uh somewh there

780
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: was somebody that was working in the labs in Berkeley.

781
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: Maybe one of your cousins is on acid right now,

782
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: that's true, maybe you are on mushrooms. Who knows, probably not,

783
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: hopefully not, but it I this is a cool subject

784
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: to discuss, kind of the way we're talking about with

785
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: the dreams, just the nature of consciousness, things big questions

786
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: that are people a lot of times have cool opinions

787
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: about and you might not know that you're let's say

788
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: aunt or maybe even your mom, your parents have opinions

789
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 1: about this that will blow your mind. I would highly

790
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: recommend it because they're also I don't know the way

791
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: draw are being treated in our country in particular, particular

792
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: in the US and in a couple of other countries

793
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: are really it's changing. And because the way our country

794
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: in particular and several other countries throughout the world, the

795
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 1: way we view drugs of the of this sort hallucinogens

796
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: is really changing, and I think we're again maybe seeing

797
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: the possible benefits as opposed to just demonizing them the

798
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: way we did in the seventies and then ongoing from there. Well,

799
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: not only that, I mean as a society, um, little

800
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: by little, it's not a quick process, but we are,

801
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, having more discussion of things like drug courts

802
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: and then treatment for addiction rather than just demonizing addicts

803
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: as criminals. And you know, these things go hand in hand.

804
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily we're going to be in a

805
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: world where, uh, you know, harem antics are being treated

806
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: with LSD, but it's an interesting conversation to have. They're

807
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: definitely not in the same class, you know, Like we're

808
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: talking about something that opens up pathways, you know, in

809
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: your mind and lets you experience things in a different way,

810
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: versus something that literally ravages your body and makes you

811
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: dependent in a way that precludes you from doing pretty

812
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: much anything else, and that's what you seek at all times.

813
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: So I mean, I just think it's interesting that we

814
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: are getting to a place where these conversations are more

815
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: socially acceptable, and so why not try it out at

816
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: the Christmas innesse the waters if you're brave. All the

817
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: lucinogens are not created equally. There are several that are

818
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 1: not just known but expected to uh impart a non

819
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: enjoyable experience, something much more close to the revelatory act

820
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: of waking up as Keanu reeves in the Matrix or

821
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: excuse me, neo, I think it was supposed to be

822
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: acting in that show and pulling the tube out of

823
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: your mouth and realizing your pot in a giant machine world. Uh,

824
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: in this this kind of revelation, these would be things

825
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: like ahuasca, um ibu gain I think, or eyebo gain,

826
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: which and maybe mispronouncing which is apparently a sure fire

827
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 1: quit smoking aid as with other addiction as you guys mentioned.

828
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: So there's a big difference between the recreational stuff and

829
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: then the spiritual awakening stuff. And you know what though,

830
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: if um as Matt said, uh, if you're if your

831
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: relatives have already had experience with it. They'll know. I

832
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if this is necessarily the

833
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: best dinner table discussion. But I did feel like I

834
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: should mention it because when we did the episode UM

835
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago on Crisis Actors, I think I

836
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: was probably the most taken aback in the room by it. UM.

837
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: You know, I just find it a little bit difficult

838
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: to wrap my head around how anyone could honestly believe

839
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: some of these theories. The idea that you know, the

840
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: Sandy Hook shooting, for example, was staged in its entirety

841
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: that you know, UM, I just don't understand how you

842
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: can look at, um, you know, the fact that children,

843
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, were killed, families were torn apart, lives were ruined,

844
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: and say that this didn't actually take place. And I

845
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: believe in the episode I likened it to, you know,

846
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: Holocaust denial. UM. But in the news there was a

847
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: Florida professor who was actually hired to teach a class

848
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: at Florida Atlantic University on conspiracy theories, James Tracy, James

849
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: Tracy in the video, and I think on here perhaps

850
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Speaker 1: on audio, Okay, I don't recall that I'm sorry. At

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Speaker 1: the time, he was a professor for Florida Pacific University. Well,

852
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: as it turns out, he was canned, UM just completely

853
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Speaker 1: because he was making some of these statements and you know,

854
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: UM actually UM bordering on harassment of the parents of

855
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Speaker 1: a six year old child who was killed in the shooting.

856
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Speaker 1: And the statement that UM the university released is as follows.

857
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Speaker 1: Today Jane Tracy, an associate professor in the School of

858
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Speaker 1: Communication and Multimedia Studies, was served a notice of proposed

859
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Speaker 1: discipline termination by the Vice Provost for Academic Affairs at

860
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Speaker 1: Florida Atlantic University. And at the time, which was Saturday,

861
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Speaker 1: UM today being Tuesday, December, this happened on the nineteenth. UM,

862
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: he's had ten days to respond from that time. This

863
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: actually came after the boy's parents, UM Lenny and Veronic Posner,

864
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Speaker 1: wrote an op ed in a local newspaper, The Sun's

865
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Speaker 1: Sentinel of Brownard County, Florida, and they basically said that

866
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Speaker 1: Tracy had led a group of people, UM in you know,

867
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Speaker 1: encouraging them to harass these parents about their part that

868
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Speaker 1: they post supposedly played in this you know charade, and um,

869
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, to promote his conspiracy theories that the the

870
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: event was staged, and they quote they seek us out

871
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 1: and accused us of being government agents who are faking

872
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: our grief and lying about our loss. So it's rough,

873
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: and that sort of mirrors the my perspective on the

874
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: whole thing when we were doing the episode, how I

875
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of felt a little taken aback

876
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: by the whole concept. So yeah, interesting to see that development.

877
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: And you're one of the nicest people I know, so

878
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: for you to be a little bit taken aback, to me,

879
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: it's the equivalent of someone else being profoundly offended. You know.

880
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 1: We also received a number of tweets and emails regarding

881
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: crisis actors. I don't know if you checked out the

882
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: YouTube comments, but it is a very very um emotionally

883
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: charged subject and on both sides, I imagine. Yeah, And

884
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, I really I want to speak directly to

885
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 1: you audience. Uh. And I can't speak for anyone else,

886
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: of course, but I personally immensely appreciate the feedback from

887
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: the folks who I thought that we did a good

888
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: job trying to address this topic because we don't we

889
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: don't like to suppress anything. It's not the nature of

890
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: this show, So we like to address everything to the

891
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: utmost of our ability, which means critical thinking, which means

892
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: looking at both sides of something and seeing what if

893
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: any evidence exists on either one. We try to handle

894
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: that respectfully, and I can say that I don't always

895
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: get it right, but luckily enough we have we have

896
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: you guys out there keeping us honest. All right, Well, guys,

897
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: unfortunately it looks like it's also almost our our time

898
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: and older. We have any said into the year music

899
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: or any like bitter sweet like it? It's gonna be okay?

900
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: Kinna is it sure? Nope? I don't like this? Turn

901
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: this off? How about this? Yeah? There? Yeah? Maybe third

902
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: tons yep, Oh that's it? Yep. Oh. Man. I have

903
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: maybe three feelings a year, and I think this is

904
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Speaker 1: one of them. So recently, uh SISPA, it's all that passed,

905
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: which is an Internet surveillance bill which removes the protections

906
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: that theoretically or nominally exist between your personal information is

907
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: known by a private corporation and is known by multiple governments.

908
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 1: So another thing that happens recently while we were all

909
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: Twitter paid it over Star Wars is that Zimbabwe moved

910
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: to make the Chinese one a legal currency. Aijian canceled

911
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: in return all of their debts as edges the way

912
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: on a little bit closer to being an international currency

913
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: capable of combating the petro dollar. So stay tuned to

914
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: your gas pumps. The petro dollars one that I wanted

915
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 1: to bring up, but I thought it. I wasn't sure

916
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: if it would be too much to discuss, but I

917
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: feel like that's a great way to get in some

918
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: of the larger ideas or the let's say the more uh,

919
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: some of the more specific conspiracy theories. I think the

920
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: petro dollar really brings things together as a way to

921
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: discuss smaller things. Yeah, maybe I missed it because I

922
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: was thinking things for um, the listener in seen it's

923
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: it may be entirely possible that you say, Zimbabwe as

924
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: a new as started using China's currency, And you know,

925
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if people at your holiday party will care,

926
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: but well it would be cool if they did, because

927
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: I think it's important world news. I mean, that's really great.

928
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean, at this point I would say the holiday

929
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: meal is done. Everyone's Comma tos on the couch. You know,

930
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: we're thinking about new year's let's think, let's give us

931
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: some more what what are some things to be thinking

932
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: about moving into What are the stories that the sea

933
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: you're seeing the seeds of now that are gonna really

934
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: take off? Sure? Well, of course you if you listen

935
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: to the show, you're probably familiar with the various conspiracy

936
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: theories regarding Donald Trump, which I talked about a little

937
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: bit on periscope, and regarding Bernie Sanders, which no I

938
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: believe you touched on in an earlier audio podcast, and

939
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: both have some intriguing points to them. Stay tuned to that.

940
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: If you are invest in US elections, you may also

941
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: you may also wonder about how the situation in the

942
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: Middle East will work out, Will they reach the tompt

943
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: um at this point? And how ironic because I was

944
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: working on an episode about prophecy and I got to

945
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: release date wrong, So I I think I'm gonna stay

946
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: away from predictions. Actually, um, no one really has a

947
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: crystal ball in the Middle East. We do have some

948
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 1: interesting stuff coming up about predicting the future, about gnasticism,

949
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: several of these in the new year. Let's see what

950
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 1: else from I touch on the nature of artificial intelligence

951
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 1: or even magic and we have a well, I guess

952
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: I'll let you in on the secret. We have a

953
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: long list of topics suggested both by you, by sources

954
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: that we go outside of the show, and things that

955
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: we have found in our individual ramblings through the dark

956
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: alleys of the internet and the places we travel. So

957
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: we have a lot more in store for you on

958
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: the way. I'd like to pass the mic to you, guys.

959
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: Do you have any year in statements to our listeners

960
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: before we bid them? Ado? Oh, I just want to

961
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: thank you guys for having me on the show. Um,

962
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: it's been a lot of fun and I look forward

963
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: to uh doing and into the new year. And it's

964
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: been cool passing from you know, the mixing desk into

965
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: the booth. So I've been really really appreciative of the opportunity,

966
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: and I hope everyone's been enjoying enjoying it. We love

967
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: having you. It's fantastic to have a third person in

968
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: here just to throw things off of. And you're really

969
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: you're you absorb what we talked about in here really

970
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: well and then you have ideas and throw them back out.

971
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: So good work, all right. I'm sorry, I'm not gonna

972
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: pat your back too. Much. But you're you're awesome, Noel.

973
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: I think our people agree. Yeah, I mean no, it's

974
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: no secret that we are not just work friends, were

975
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: French friends. We hang out and do stuff and laugh

976
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: at each other's jokes and whatnot. Also, you know, even

977
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: if that were the case, even if you are my

978
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: very best friend, even if you had saved my life

979
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: in a shark attack or a car crash or a

980
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: lottery deal gone wrong, or a shark crash or a

981
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: shark crash, even if that happened, you wouldn't be on

982
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 1: here if you weren't good at what you do. Well,

983
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: you know, I feel the same way. And it's a

984
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: lot of fun just chatting with you guys. And I

985
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: think it's been fun just taking some of the cool

986
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: conversations that ben you and I and Matt and you

987
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: and I as well, and I'll three of us in

988
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: at work and outside of work haven't kind of do

989
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: it do it on the show. So let's I appreciate it,

990
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to next year. Heck, yeah, we're

991
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: getting Uh. I love this. We need to do this again.

992
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: Let's have a drunk podcast next year. Yes, yes, we'll

993
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: clear it. We'll clear it with the higher outs. No,

994
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: we'll just do it. I'd like to I'd like to

995
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: add briefly. I know the podcast is going on too

996
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: long at the moment, so i'll I'll make it short.

997
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: But you, yes, you, you specifically listening to this are

998
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: the reason this show exists in the first place. And

999
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: we have been close so many times to this, uh,

1000
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: this thing not continuing. It has been endangered, it has

1001
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: been vulnerable all those other words people use for animals dwindling, right,

1002
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: it has. It has been in danger of cancelation. We

1003
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: have been in danger many times of being fired. However,

1004
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,959
Speaker 1: somehow we made it, and all of our best idea

1005
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: is as ever come from you. Yes, you specifically, so

1006
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: we'd like to hear him. You can find us on

1007
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: Twitter and Facebook at Conspiracy Stuff. We are all over

1008
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: that place. You can also go to our website and

1009
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: that is stuff they don't want you to know dot

1010
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: com and that's where you can find blog posts, podcasts,

1011
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,479
Speaker 1: every podcast we've ever done, every video that you guys

1012
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: have ever done, um and more. You can check out Periscope,

1013
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: dot tv, slash Conspiracy Stuff, which is where Mr Bolan

1014
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: normally does our stuff. We've got some guests who go

1015
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: on there got a dude named Steve who chills with

1016
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: Ben sometimes. I was Stephen Ben before. It was a

1017
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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Oh and uh, I just really quickly.

1018
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Speaker 1: I hope you've checked out our the meeting video episode.

1019
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: That was a whole lot of fun to shoot the

1020
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Speaker 1: other day. I really enjoyed being part of it. And

1021
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: I am a little worried that it looks behind the

1022
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: curtain but too much. But I think people can I

1023
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: don't know they can get over it now for all

1024
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: friends here. And lastly, if you don't want to do

1025
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: any of that stuff gives you the willies, whatever, bride

1026
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: a good old fashioned email. You can write that to

1027
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Speaker 1: conspiracy that house stuff works dot com. From one on

1028
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: this topic another unexplained phenomenon, visit YouTube dot com slash

1029
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Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff. You can also get in touch on Twitter

1030
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Speaker 1: at the handle at conspiracy Stuff.