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Speaker 1: Clean your gun, JR. Bow Where the Uncollective show calling

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Speaker 1: Hunters new and all uncollective show with thanks or facts

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Speaker 1: and opinions are subjective. You're listening to the whole collecting

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Speaker 1: by everybody. Welcome to another episode of The Hunting Collective.

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Speaker 1: I am Benjamin Patrick O'Brien and I'm joined by Phil

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Speaker 1: t engineer Phil I bet hey, we're in the studio together. Good.

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Speaker 1: It's good to see you. When was the last time

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Speaker 1: that this happened. I can't remember we were with your

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Speaker 1: honest maybe yeah, we did, like an Ascal eagle. It's

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Speaker 1: been months and months I've seen in your face. Do

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Speaker 1: I look more accomplished? Do you? Uh? Do you want

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Speaker 1: the honest answer? Yes? Then yes, yes, you look awful

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Speaker 1: like you need a nap. I've just touched down last

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Speaker 1: night from Texas and it is officially I'm gonna need

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Speaker 1: some sort of sound effect like dirt Owner, something really cool.

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Speaker 1: It's officially. Turchi says that you're feeling it. There it

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Speaker 1: is I put I put the sound in. You feel it? Yeah? No, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. You're not feeling it. Maybe after I go

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Speaker 1: Turkey hunting, I will be feeling I'm I wish you

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Speaker 1: were with me in Texas. It was fantastic. So I

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Speaker 1: saw many many Instagram comments, Yeah, worse film, people confused

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Speaker 1: into the st that I wasn't and I wonderful. Like

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Speaker 1: the rest of my hunting career, every time I post

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Speaker 1: something about hunting, people like worse film. Why isn't Why

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Speaker 1: aren't you mentoring film? Why are you mesitor phase out

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Speaker 1: somewhere not being mentored by you and you're out hunting? Uh?

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Speaker 1: To do you know official pressure LEAs style? Phil? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Did not go with me? Would you hope? I know? Ben?

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Speaker 1: For the people that did comment, Ben did extend me

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Speaker 1: an invite, I did, but it's it was just it

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Speaker 1: was like only a week and it was like a

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Speaker 1: week in advance, and you know when I got I've

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Speaker 1: got a family and kids in daycare situations, and it's

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Speaker 1: just it's hard to organize something that last minute. But

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Speaker 1: Ben did invite me, So thank you Ben. No, no,

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Speaker 1: I did not join. I wish you had come. It

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Speaker 1: was it was tremendous. Shout out to to Greg and

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Speaker 1: Casey and to Marshall who let me hunt a place. Uh,

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Speaker 1: a new ranch. I guess. We hunted Friday and Saturday

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Speaker 1: and new little property. I've never seen um in a

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Speaker 1: wonderful little I mean it was like idyllic field. It

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Speaker 1: was idealic. It was like green grass. It's six eight

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Speaker 1: inch really like florescent green grass. A lot of open

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Speaker 1: timber for turkeys to eat, bugs and just you know,

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Speaker 1: gobble and open meadows, a lot of edge ground, like tall,

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Speaker 1: tall trees for them to roost in. It was kind

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Speaker 1: of unbelievable. And I killed beard Zilla. He's all a

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Speaker 1: picture beards at all. I did now his his for

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Speaker 1: everybody that were was at that the guest how long

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Speaker 1: his beard balls? On on my Instagram page? It was

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Speaker 1: eleven inches flat. Do you know that's good? Phil? I don't.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Okay, I don't know. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: the longest. Let me google like longest turkey beard ever,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's gonna be way longer than eleven inches.

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Speaker 1: So that's the longest. Let's see what it says. WHOA.

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Speaker 1: Cody May of New Boston holds the possible world record

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Speaker 1: for the longest bearded turkey ever. The bird has a

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Speaker 1: twenty two and a half inch beard twenty two and

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Speaker 1: a half inches. He's dragging on the ground. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: go to a rope rope dragger. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: different names for for spurs and beards on turkeys, but

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Speaker 1: that's eleven inches. Is the biggest one I've ever killed.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna make a little broom out of it.

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Speaker 1: From my office, I'll come sweep off her, sweep off

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Speaker 1: your buttons here. But yeah, he came, he flew down.

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Speaker 1: We're doing a little uh shout out again to Marshall

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Speaker 1: Seardorf from Texas. He works at four some nature meach

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Speaker 1: Remember them, Oh yeah, of course they're awesome. Um, we

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Speaker 1: were hunting together. We sat up. There was eight gobblers

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Speaker 1: gobbler is a turkey as a turkey, male turkey. I thought.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of times you can tell the

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Speaker 1: difference between a Jake gobble and a Tom gobble, Tom

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Speaker 1: started off probably three four yards away, came down to Sindaro,

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Speaker 1: This is the different turkey philosophy. Philosophical really debate is

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Speaker 1: have you have you found more success? We were talking

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Speaker 1: it sounds like to me, I feel like I'm the

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Speaker 1: and again, this is a philosophical debate I think all

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Speaker 1: Turkey hunters will have for for the rest of time.

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Speaker 1: My buddy Jeff Johnson, who was a writer for n

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Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know. I think you just

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Speaker 1: you determine the pattern and Turkey has been traveling and

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Speaker 1: get there. There's no better there's no better tactic than

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Speaker 1: still a nice way of creating a flyer away to

424
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Speaker 1: get people to my group. Pretty badass. All these things

425
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 1: make me chuckle because they're just so uh. Are folks

426
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: in the in the actual cult chapters are very innovative

427
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 1: and very excited and are growing our little chapters in

428
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: amazing ways and with great passion. I just received an

429
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Speaker 1: email from Doug during this morning lauding the Wisconsin chapter

430
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: for their growth uh thus far, And so I'm excited

431
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: to report on that. And now let me find I'm

432
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: gonna find the last update that someone posted to where

433
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 1: we are in terms of we're over a thousand members Phil,

434
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 1: do you ever think we get there? Never? But I've

435
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: always underestimated you before, so yeah, I apologon't underestimate me,

436
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 1: son of a bit. Let's see, we got yeah leading

437
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: the way right now. California has been leading the way

438
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: from the beginning, but then of the last update, here's

439
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: listened as Q two one in the spreadsheet. I think

440
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: Patrick Ray made this from Alabama. Uh, California leading away

441
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: four seventy seven, Phil, California leading the way. Wow, four

442
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: seventy seven. Montana has shot up the leaderboard to number

443
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Speaker 1: two with a hundred and seventy three. One of those

444
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 1: is Phil's burner account and Colorado one thirty nine, Arizona

445
00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 1: one seventeen, Wisconsin one thirty five, wash Enton one oh four.

446
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: Well done everyone, well done. A few have zero Hawaii, Illinois, Mississippi, Nevada,

447
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: Texas has zero sad days. Sad days for those places,

448
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: But get in. We're not looking to grow this year

449
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: cult all that. We're not trying to grow it just

450
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: for the sake of numbers. I wanna slowly, methodically bring

451
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: people in that are really want to to come share

452
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: in this hunting thing. Phil. I'm excited we're gonna keep

453
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: having some folks on on the show to talk about this.

454
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 1: Like I said, Nuri Hong in California. A. B. Rich

455
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: has been blowing it up, Patrick Ray, Riley Nelson, all

456
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: you guys out there that we call chapter leaders, thank you.

457
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,239
Speaker 1: And one thing before we get we got say I'm

458
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 1: so old coming on remember him? Of course, I do

459
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: public land about one of my favorite people in the world.

460
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: He's got a new conservation issues we're gonna be talking

461
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: about just now coming up. But before we get to that,

462
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Speaker 1: I've got uh newman Landa wrote in he said, I

463
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: just wanted to share my ten year old project that

464
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: he's doing for his class. They were tasked with making

465
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: a presentation that demonstrates opinion writing. My son Jack chose

466
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: to talk about hunting and conservation. Attached is the draft

467
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: he just sent me. I've gotten with him to spruce

468
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: it up a bit, but I wanted you to see

469
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: it in its raw form. It was pretty impressive. I

470
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: just wanted you to see your young fans are fighting

471
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: the good fight and guarding the gate in elementary schools.

472
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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy now. I hope this is okay

473
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: with Jack. When I'm gonna try to read most. I'm

474
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: gonna read it all ready, phil typos and everything. I hope,

475
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: so I don't think I don't know. I hope there

476
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: isn't any type. I read the first little bit of it.

477
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: It's maybe, I mean, look a look at me. I'm

478
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: just being I'm understating everyone. Maybe I'm sorry Jack. I

479
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: would love to he apologize to Jack all right. Hunting, hunting,

480
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: Why hunting is good for wildlife? There's a picture of

481
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: a mule deer in a turkey on there. It says

482
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: why hunting is good for the conservation. When a hunter

483
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: kills an animal, yes, he or she is taking a life,

484
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: but he or she also just help conservation because when

485
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: an animal is shot by a hunter, there's one less

486
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: animal to eat all the other grass or seeds or

487
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: even other animals. So whenever most people here that an

488
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: animal was just shot, they're probably thinking, oh, no, an

489
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: animal was just killed, and now that a species will

490
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: probably become extincts soon. But what they should think of

491
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: is an animals just shot, and now there's more food

492
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: for all the other animals. Also, when you go hunting,

493
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: you have to buy a tag. The tag is so

494
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: whenever you kill an animal, you put the tag on it,

495
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: and there are only a few tags, so you don't

496
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 1: over hunt an animal. Tags are also for another thing.

497
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: When you buy the tags, the money that you buy

498
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: the tags with goes towards the wildlife and conservation. So

499
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: that is how hunting helps conservation. What do you think, Phil,

500
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: You know how you are gonna buy out those billboards

501
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: in San Francisco? You should still do that, but then

502
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: just put that on the st jack on. There you go. Yep,

503
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: there's more you want to hear more. The history of

504
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: hunting Over two million years ago, cavemen started to hunt,

505
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,239
Speaker 1: and they didn't hunt for the fun of it. They

506
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: hunted to survive and if they didn't get anything, they

507
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't eat that day. But over the centuries people have

508
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: become smarter. They have learned how to farm and how

509
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: to cook. And when the first refrigerator came out and

510
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: then eighteen forties, people didn't need to eat right away.

511
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: Around the sixteen hundreds, people made laws on wind, where, how,

512
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: and what animal you kill and hunt over the over

513
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: the decades, people have started hunting just for the pleasure

514
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: of it, but also a lot of people still hunt

515
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: for fun and to get meat in the refrigerator. I

516
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: brought it back to the refrigerator there at the end.

517
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: I like what he's doing. Also, throughout the years, poachers

518
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: have been made, and often people mistake poachers for hunters,

519
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: which is true. Um, can I just go to the

520
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: conclusion um because he does the whole thing about the

521
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: difference between hunting and poach, which is very well. But

522
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: the conclusion in conclusion, I think that you should have

523
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: a different opinion on hunting. Now. I'm not saying you

524
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: need to start hunting. I'm just saying you should appreciate

525
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: hunters more for the things they do, like helping conservation.

526
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: The end, Jack, fantastic, great, well done. Yep, well done Jack.

527
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: In all series is this is about as good as

528
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: I could do, if not better. It had definitely better

529
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: than very clean introduction. Yeah, you had those those middle

530
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: paragraphs with you, with you, with your arguments and conclusion

531
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: and your conclusion bringing it all home. So I if listen, Newman,

532
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: if Jack somehow doesn't get an A plus on this,

533
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: you right in and you let me know, and I'll

534
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: I'll do. Whoever this teacher is, its elementary cool teacher,

535
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: We'll take it. The tack. We'll let the THHD Facebook

536
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: chapters take care of We'll take care of it. Don't worry.

537
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: We'll rough them up all right now from one uh

538
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: budding conservationist to a hardened one. Now we're gonna listen

539
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: to my buddy Sam Silver. So I'm so hoped. What's up, Funny?

540
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: How you doing? Man? I'm doing great? How are you doing?

541
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: I'm doing I'm doing fantastic. You look good. You've been

542
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: doing like a workout you told me? Yeah, like I've

543
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: been tell me about this workout. I gotta get in

544
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: Turkey shape? Is there? Turkey shape? Is that a thing

545
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: that sitting on it by a tree? Is that the

546
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: thing you'd get in shape for? I mean, I guess

547
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: I haven't perused like Instagram or anything, but there's gotta

548
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: be somebody out there with like I mean, there's every

549
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: other fit like you know, there's there's gotta be like

550
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 1: Turkey fit, like somebody was there there. There's ELK Fit, right,

551
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: ELK Fit, ELK shape, was there an ELK fit and

552
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: Elks shape probably and then uh white tail fit. Yeah,

553
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: I guess it would just be like, yeah, eating nuggets

554
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: and sitting against a tree. That's what you do. Yeah, yeah,

555
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: go through the Chick fil A drive through and then

556
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: get your nuggets and go sit by a tree and

557
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: eat them. Turkey Yeah, turkey show. Yeah. Well, depending on

558
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: where your hunt turkeys, I mean you kind of got

559
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: to be in at least pretend shape. It's true. Yeah, hunting.

560
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: Where are you do in South Dakota and the Turn?

561
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: We were just talking about the turkey tour um a

562
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: little bit. But South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska? Where where

563
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be? Uh, Saturday? Are you coming to join us?

564
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: Are you coming with us? I won't make it to

565
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: the hills, but I might be able to sneak in

566
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: for a couple of days in Nebraska. Okay, good, you've

567
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: just live on the air. You've you've promised that you're

568
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: gonna be there. You sneak it. You sneak the hell

569
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: over there. We need I will. Yeah, I'll do my best. Okay, Um,

570
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: but that country man, You're up and down a good bit.

571
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: It depends. Phill and I just had a big conversation

572
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: about running, gun or sit and get. Do you have

573
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: any philosophies turkey philosophies that that starter end with sitting

574
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: and staying in one spot or getting up and run

575
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: around like a crazy person. I mean, I'm probably the

576
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: same as most people where you try to get a

577
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: close to the roost as you can, where you're you know,

578
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: you're in on them tight early, but then the rest

579
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: of the day, you know, I'm typically you know, unless

580
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: I find a spot where it has like a ton

581
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: of like really fresh scratch, scratching or you know sign,

582
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm typically doing running gun type stuff the rest of

583
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: the day, trying to get something just to gobbles back

584
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: and try to you know, make a play on something.

585
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that's certainly the most fun. Anyway, it is

586
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: the most fun. We were just talking a lot about

587
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: if you can pattern turkey, which in the West is

588
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: a lot of times hard to do. You just a

589
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: big chunk of public land, you find a bird, you

590
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: don't have time take pattern to sit and watch the

591
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: turkey and see where it's gonna go or pattern them,

592
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: and you probably don't know enough about the landscape. If

593
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: you're just you know, walking into a piece of public

594
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: and trying to find a bird, you don't know enough

595
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: about that landscape to understand how that turkey is going

596
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: to use that terrain. Yeah, it's different than you know,

597
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: having a chunk land that you've hunted for however many

598
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: years and you know like typically they're going to roost

599
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: in this area or this tree. You know, it's a

600
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: little little bit different. But um, I think over the

601
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: years could probably figure out a pattern, like if you

602
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: have like a consistent roost like area, a region or

603
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: like little pocket. But man, it's tough. Yeah, well the argument,

604
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: see what you think about this. I've come to believe

605
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: in the sitting, sit and get and run and gun

606
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: debate that if you know where a turkey it wants

607
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: to be, even if even if this is what we're

608
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: doing in Texas, even if you know where they're going

609
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: to roost and you pull off yards or find that meadow,

610
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: you know they're gonna want to be in once they

611
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: get once they fly down, that's a more sure bet

612
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: than it is trying to call them in and change

613
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: their pattern. I agree. Yeah, okay, but like you said

614
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: a lot of times, you don't have that knowledge. And

615
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: if you don't have that knowledge, you gotta run a gun. Yeah.

616
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: Now we gotta teach Phil all this man, because Phil,

617
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: he's got a month till his first hunt on the

618
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: Is he going to be on the Turkey tour. No,

619
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: he's not allowed to travel away from home. You've got

620
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: pretty much chained to the studio. We're gonna we're gonna

621
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: have the first week, gonna have the first week of May.

622
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: Phil is like a paid indentured service pretty much. I mean,

623
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: we feed him. He's healthy, that's good, but he can't

624
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: he can't like go more than a few hours away

625
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: from the office, and he'll often to get called back

626
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: by Rinella. You know, he has like one on a

627
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: little shock up bring him back to the studio. Anyway,

628
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: that's what we're excited for around here. Let's tell everybody

629
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: your your Turkey events for this spring. Yeah, let's see,

630
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: I've got South Dakota, North Dakota. I'm North Dakota resident now,

631
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: so first tag in North Dakota. That should be kind

632
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: of fun. But yeah, in North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Montana,

633
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: and then uh potentially Minnesota. So I'm not right and

634
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm not traveling you know, too far this year, too

635
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: many crazy states or anything. But um, I'm gonna be

636
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: able to get out and get after it. Um definitely

637
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: focused on I got my wife's got a tag, trying

638
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: to get her a bird. My dad's got a tag,

639
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 1: try to get him burg. Chris Ellis, who you know,

640
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: is actually flying out. We're gonna go chase turkeys together

641
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: at some point. So um yeah, good fantastic human. Um yeah,

642
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: fun with that guy. But you refresh my memory on

643
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: last year. I certainly had a tough turkey year last

644
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: year when COVID kind of crushed my dreams for turks.

645
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: How do you do last year? Do you feel like

646
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: this is any redemption for you? Because for me, when

647
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: I shot that first turkey in Texas, I felt amazing.

648
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: I felt like I had been through something. I you know,

649
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: I actually ended up having a pretty good year. I

650
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: didn't go nearly as many places I had originally planned,

651
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: Like you couldn't buy a tag in Nebraska, Kansas, you

652
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: had a quarantine for fourteen days. I mean, there was

653
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: always like stipulations on stuff. But I had a pretty

654
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: good year. I shot four birds last year, you know,

655
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: helped another three people get birds, So it was it

656
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: was fun. You know. I got to be part of

657
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,959
Speaker 1: seven seven turkey hunts successful turkey hunt slash bring, so

658
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm I was lucky do you think I'm ever gonna

659
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: get my goal of ten in one year? Have you

660
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: killed two already, haven't you? Yeah, I've got too. I

661
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: mean that's you're doing pretty good. I'm feeling it. I'm

662
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: feeling it. I feel like I've got a shot. I've

663
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: got Montana. Well, I only bought three, but I can

664
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: buy two more. I've got one in South Dakota, one

665
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: in Wyoming, and two in Nebraska. But I can get

666
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: a third yea, and so conceivably I don't have to

667
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: leave the Western I can get my tin. Yeah, but

668
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: I've been man, I don't know. I've got some backups.

669
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: If it gets to like the end of May, are

670
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: you gonna like travel to those states where like I

671
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: think Michigan has typically a couple of days in June.

672
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: Wisconsin is my spot. Uh. I haven't told Doug during

673
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: this we have talked about it. I haven't told Doug Dusty,

674
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: but have you to see if there's any leftover tags?

675
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: There is? Uh? In Wisconsin, I think you can. I

676
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: don't have any birds you can shoot Wisconsin. But it's

677
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: not it's not a small number. Well, so it's it's typically, Uh,

678
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: you can choose as many as you want, as long

679
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: as you have the tag. But I know that there

680
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: are way fewer leftover tags. This year there were like

681
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: sixteen thousand more people that put in for turkey tags

682
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. This spront bitch, Alright, Well maybe screw maybe

683
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: screws my backups. Maybe maybe, But I mean, you know,

684
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: I know I can get a tag in Idaho, um Oregon.

685
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: I know I can get a tag unless it's a

686
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: similar situation. So I think I could in the West.

687
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: If I was like one short, I would just get

688
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 1: I would just get real inventive with what I could

689
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: do in the West. But I can conceivably get real

690
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: close and then you know, I just need a little

691
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: extra levers to pull to get the ten number. Well

692
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: maybe I can call it, you know, if I if

693
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: I am able to eat out to Nebraska with you,

694
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: maybe I can call one in for you. Again, Dude,

695
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm this is this is exactly the the equation that

696
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: I want. I'm happy to call in birds for other

697
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: people and calling my own birds, but I'm also happy

698
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: to have somebody to do all the call. Dude, I'm

699
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: not there's no you go in it for me. I

700
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: love when you call that birden for me and I

701
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: spooked it. Somebody, well, we spooked it. That was great.

702
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: I did that in Texas. Last week's had a bird

703
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: come into three yards, goblin's head off, spitting a drummond

704
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: like right behind my head. Basically he gobbled his way

705
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: off it kind of I think he knew something was up,

706
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: not quite understanding. Called him back into sixty yards two

707
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: or three more times, I think, and never just never

708
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: got a shot. But those are those are the fun

709
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: times when you know there's a bird that that that's

710
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: that fired up that you can pretty much put him

711
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: on a string and just kind of pull them back

712
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: in whenever you feel like it. Yeah, I think that's

713
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things. And I learned this from

714
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: hunting with like Aaron war Britten and whatever. But like

715
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: you call a bird in, they don't quite come into range,

716
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: and you just let them wander off and then you

717
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: go to where they came and gobbled and calm, and

718
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: then they just come ripping right back in because they're like, oh,

719
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: I did call up a hen, you know. Yeah, that's

720
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: a good hot tip. That's a really good hot tip.

721
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: I've done that before, not even thinking about it in

722
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: that way, but just kind of like getting was for

723
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: cut the distance. But it's that's that's a really good point. Yeah,

724
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: that's a that's a great point. Yeah. I've used that

725
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: tactic several times now and it's amazing. Um, like what

726
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: we did it on your burden in South Dakota a

727
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: couple of years back, where called him up and then

728
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: he came up and kind of gobbled on this little

729
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: ridge and then went off. And then we went to

730
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: where he was and did you know, and then he

731
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: came right back up. So came right back up. Yeah. Yeah,

732
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: and and and again if you're able to if he

733
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: sees something he doesn't like, you're able to to know. Okay,

734
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: this turkey he's he's committed, but he's also not I mean,

735
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: he's not brainless. Some of these this turkey I killed

736
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: in Texas a couple of days ago, he was, he

737
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: was fairly brainless. He just flew down off the rust.

738
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: He flewed off the roost when it was dark and

739
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: came in to beat his other buddies to the punge

740
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: I for you, And so he is. There was kind

741
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: of anything you could have done just about anything to him,

742
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: and I think he probably would have came back in

743
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: certainly didn't give him that chance. But you know it's

744
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: it's again just reading that turkey. But that's a good

745
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: hot tip man, Aaron Warburton of The Hunting Pot. Look,

746
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: that's that's if anybody got anything from listening to two

747
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: hours I mean talk this week it's Sam so holds

748
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: hot tip the Errand that's that's another one. Do you

749
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: hunting in South Dakota and hunting other places? Do you

750
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: find that you that your strategies are different from state

751
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: to state, from terrain to terrain, and have you kind

752
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: of codified that in your mind where you know, like

753
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go here and do this. You know, I'm

754
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: hunting Iowa cornfields, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna set

755
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: up a pop up line, or I'm hunting South Dakota

756
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna walk around. I probably haven't like

757
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: broke it down into state by state, but I'm guessing

758
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: you know, there's definitely tendencies like depending on where I'm going, Uh,

759
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm hunting stuff where there's like gonna

760
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: be egg where I know, like turkeys are probably gonna

761
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: at least head too and scratch um and eating whatever.

762
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: Like you know, I probably use that to my advantage

763
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: if I know I can cut them off, like if

764
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: there's like a okay, they roost in that little cottonwood

765
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: stand there, but I know that they're going to be

766
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: working their way to this egg field because it's the

767
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: only egg in you know, the whole area. Um, Like,

768
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: I'll bring that into But I mean most of the

769
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: places I hunt are so wide open like that I'm

770
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: either like trying to sneak into where I think they're

771
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: gonna fly down to, um, and then if that doesn't happen,

772
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: then I'm looping away around trying to cut them off

773
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: on the way to something. So um yeah, I mean

774
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: I unfortunately, I'd like to do more of it. I

775
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: haven't done a ton of big like big woods hunting.

776
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: UM did a little bit back in spring of nineteen,

777
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: and I had a blast room. Like I was honestly

778
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: had more fun doing that, like you know, sneaking around

779
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: in big oak ridges and stuff and um yeah yeah,

780
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: mature timber right. Yeah, we were. I was talking to

781
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: the guys at FHF the bino harnesses and chess rigs,

782
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: and I was asking that, you know, how much let's

783
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: make a product for turkeys, which they are making some

784
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: inserts for their chess rig. I don't know if I'm

785
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: breaking news on that, but that's what they're doing. Uh. Sorry, guys,

786
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: if I'm breaking the pr release on now. One um,

787
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: we're and we were talking about using bino harnesses for

788
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: turkey hunting, and they were saying, listen, a lot of

789
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: guys just don't use binos for turkeys, and I thought

790
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: that's weird, because man, I use them as much as

791
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: as much as any other pursuit. I guess I'm thinking,

792
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting in glass and all the time, but

793
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm using them all the time in the turkey woods,

794
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: have you? And I imagine, I guess. And then I

795
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: started thinking, well, maybe if you're hunting in big timber

796
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: in the east or in the South, and you're in

797
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: a situation where you just literally can't see that far

798
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: um and you're calling turkeys through this thick timber where

799
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: you you really don't have a chance to get a look,

800
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: I guess I could see it then. But I mean,

801
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: you're you're carrying bins every turkey hunt, aren't you. Every

802
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: time there was one there was one hunt? Uh, three

803
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: years ago that I didn't have binos in the entire time.

804
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I just wish I had, but

805
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: I feel naked. So no, I use them all the

806
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: time turkey hunt. But again, like you said, like I

807
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: hunt pretty wide open stuff, so like any time I

808
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 1: see a black spot out in the field or whatever,

809
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,479
Speaker 1: you know, constantly, like if I'm ripping around like trying

810
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: to scout, I'm definitely using them all the time. But

811
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: even when I'm hunting, I'm using them a lot early

812
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: in the season, you know, because it's not so thick

813
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: that I can glass up birds on the roost and

814
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: sneak into them. Um. So yeah, yeah, that's another thing,

815
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: glassing up birds. I mean, you're gonna capture more light

816
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: in a pair time by forty two then. But you know,

817
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: to see one you might be able to see with

818
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: the naked eye that there's birds roots, So you want

819
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: to see is it a time, is it a jake?

820
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: Is it a hand? You needed? You need that definition.

821
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: You need to have those. So if there's folks out

822
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: there that aren't carrying bins, shame on you. You should be. Um,

823
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to do this with you. I want to

824
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: try to do this everybody here in the future. But

825
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: top how many Turkey states do you feel like you've

826
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: you've filled a tag? How many states do you feel

827
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: like you've too. I was trying to count the other

828
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: day and I got about thirteen or fourteen. Oh, I'm

829
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: not even close to that. Yeah, let's see, like seven

830
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: or eight, maybe seven or eight. Yeah, that's pretty good.

831
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: I feel like that's way more than most folks. Yeah,

832
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: it's most folks are probably one or two or three,

833
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: but they're definitely a diehard Turkey enters. This is starting

834
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: to become a thing that are trying to do the state.

835
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: You know, Turkey Slam. I don't know if there's even

836
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: a Slam. It's way more than a Slam. But that's

837
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: way more exciting to me than the Grand Slam or

838
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: the or the World Slam. Yeah, because it's called the

839
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: U s Slam, right, is that what it is? Yea, yeah,

840
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, so the U s Slam. I

841
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: think we should start thinking about that. We should started,

842
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: we should make it packed right now, we're going to

843
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: do it, yeah, I mean that'd be great, it'd be

844
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: great packed. That was a noncommittal packed. That's fine. I

845
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: mean yeah, like, yeah, caught me in. We we have

846
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: to tell our wives first. Yeah, business venture, you know.

847
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: And I've been you know a few of those states

848
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: I've hunted in where they're like right now the populations

849
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 1: are super low, like Arkansas. I mean that's just tough hunting. Um. Yeah, yeah,

850
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: the land to clay nuncomb a clay Nucomb kill one

851
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: over the weekend, probably one lass over there. Yeah, it's

852
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: one less over there. But yeah, that's that's uh, it's

853
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: becoming a thing. But do you have let's try to

854
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: name our like top five you could be the top

855
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: five states that you want to hunt in that you

856
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: haven't or top five states you've hunted in. Either one,

857
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: like in your mind, can you rank Let's start at

858
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: five and go to one load high. I can start

859
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: of that if you have your try to think about it.

860
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: Can I just think about this over the weekend. I'm

861
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: gonna go number number five Florida. Florida is have you

862
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: ever hunt in Florida? Number one? A lot of people

863
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: hunt there. One because the seasons are earlier, right, so

864
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: you can hunt in early March mid March. And two

865
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: you can get yourself an osciola, which is a subspecies

866
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: that really you don't have much. You don't have a

867
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: chance to get anywhere else in the in the US

868
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: that I that I can think of, or no of.

869
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: So those are the generally two reasons. But again, man

870
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: Florida is just a kick ass place to be, especially

871
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: in March when the weather the spring spring is sprung

872
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: and Ossola is in at least in my opinion, are

873
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: a little bit more cagy, a little bit tougher than

874
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: some of the other subspecies, definitely tougher than a marian.

875
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna put number five is gonna be uh Florida.

876
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: Number four Oklahoma. Have you ever hunt in Oklahoma? I

877
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: love that place. Oklahoma has is becoming one of the

878
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: top turkey states, one of the most hunting turkey states

879
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: in the country here recently, it's kind of a trendy

880
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: spot to hunt if you're a turkey guy. Um, they're

881
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: everywhere and it's it's not really as much of the

882
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: culture as it is in places like Florida or places

883
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: like Texas, but it's an up and commerce. So Oklahoma.

884
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: Number three is South Dakota. That's it's gonna be your

885
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna be on your list. For sure. The Black

886
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: Hills are an amazing place to hunt turkeys, not only

887
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: the terrain, but the conservation story, just everything about particularly

888
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: Black Hill. But I've also hunted them in the central

889
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: portion of the state and the plains, places like the

890
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: Rosebud Reservation, and so I've always had good luck in

891
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: South Dakota. So that's gonna be on my list. I

892
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: might surprise some people with number two, but I had

893
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: a kick ass hunt in Oregon. I feel like especially

894
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: eastern Oregon and a wonderful place to hunt turkeys. Um again,

895
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: you can do it a little bit later in the years.

896
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: Who're trying to schedule your turkey year? And the number

897
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: one is Texas. Texas is I understand our public land friends,

898
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: public Land Tis might not agree with my Texas is

899
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: number one. But the argument I'll make for Texas is

900
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: that not a lot of Texans give two ships about

901
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: a turkey. They'll say doesn't have antlers, and you say no,

902
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: They'll be like, we don't care. And so you can

903
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: get a lot of access to a lot of big

904
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: tracks a ground, or a lot of tracks in suburban

905
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: areas that are smaller but whole, a lot of birds

906
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: and there. There's over half a million turkeys in the

907
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: state of Texas, almost of turkeys. That's a lot of turkeys, man,

908
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: And so there's a lot of turkeys on a lot

909
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: of nice people. Probably bias because I just came back

910
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: from there. But if you can find a way to

911
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: get access to private ground there, which I think is

912
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: abundant in my opinion at least um, then Texas becomes

913
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: the top state because you can start in the southern

914
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: region hunt early and then you know, I was there

915
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: this last weekend. It was opening day for for the

916
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: northern part of the state. And so and you can

917
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: go buy and over the counter license and you can

918
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: get four tax um and that's so that again just

919
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: it's plentiful. It's a good place to be. So that's

920
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: my list. Hopefully I helped you, Sam. I know I'm

921
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: hitting you with this. It's corect I'm gonna at all, Okay,

922
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: knock at that. So my favorite place that I've ever

923
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: hunted turkeys was Tennessee. And it was kind of a

924
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: combo of things like just hunting, you know, big timber,

925
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: hardwood stuff, but like the way it played out, had

926
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: um like two days in a row, mishaps, like screwed

927
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: up on a bird. And then I had a bird

928
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: at like fifteen yards and had a bad shell and

929
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: like you know kind of like farted a look like

930
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: a little a little shot on shell. Like it was like, yeah,

931
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: I was just like there's kind of like lofted it

932
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 1: out there, and you know that one and then killed.

933
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start prank with people with that if I

934
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: could get how that shell was creating. Just so yeah,

935
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: just like some grass and a walk. And then the

936
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: next day finally killed a bird but had to switch

937
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: on left handed, had to switch to shoot right handed,

938
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: and like like he was about to disappear over the

939
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: rise and like just like domed him off the top.

940
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: So that like this Tennessee was super fun. Um. So

941
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: that five or one, that's five, that's one the other

942
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: way you're dropping to that, Okay, it's fine, surprising surprising,

943
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah. Number two South Dakota. South Dakota, like

944
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: you know, like have a blast hunting on the Black

945
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: Hills and stuff. Um. Number three trying to think like Nebraska,

946
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: I think just because of the abundance and uh yeah,

947
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: lots of turkeys called the called the turkeys in certain areas. Um,

948
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 1: you know, I had one hunt there a while back,

949
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 1: like we buddy and I killed the bird. He killed

950
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: the bird, but it was it was like nine degrees

951
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: and we had six inches of fresh snow. So like

952
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: watching a bird strut in. I think in the middle

953
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: of a snowstorm. Now, it's pretty cool. Uh, let's see

954
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: that's three Kansas is super fun. Yeah, and then Minnesota

955
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: is a cool hunt birds in. Yeah, the state of

956
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: Donny Vincent. He was up there shooting turkeys last year

957
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: when I last I talked to him. They're just smashing birds.

958
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: Tony Peterson up there, Yeah, we talked to him last week. Um,

959
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: that's a sleeper. I feel like Minnesota. Minnesota. Yeah, not

960
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about it, but there's certain

961
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 1: parts of the state that have lots of birds. Yeah.

962
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: I think that. I feel like that the categories for me,

963
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: the things I'm looking for is abundance of turkeys obviously. Ah,

964
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: and again I think abundance of access is always there,

965
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: but but a good structure for access. And my Texas

966
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: thing is is a bit goes us that a little bit.

967
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: But like I said, I just think that I just

968
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: know that there's a lot of landowners down there that

969
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: would let you hunt. They don't care. They're like, man,

970
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: there's no aler's on that turkey. They're in the backyard there.

971
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: You go on them. And then I think three is

972
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: how many tags you can get, you know, how how

973
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: much bang for your buck? And that's that's limited in

974
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: a lot of places. And again there's a few states

975
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: where you have to draw for certain areas or for

976
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: the entire state. Um, and so it's really I've been

977
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: I just went in and bought a General Wyoming tag,

978
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: a general a Black Hills, South Dakota tag, got all

979
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: my Montana tags as a resident, and then got two

980
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: tags on the piny Ridges of Nebraska. And all that

981
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: stuff happened, um, just over the counter and just sat

982
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: down one night, boom boom boom, got them done. And

983
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: so that turkeys. I think one of the reasons that

984
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: turkey hunting is so powerful to me because it is

985
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: so accessible and you don't have to I mean, you

986
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: could play in a turkey tour in the Western United

987
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: States three weeks before you left and you would have

988
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: Do you think that's going to shift a little bit

989
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: in the years to come, simply because of some of

990
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: the regions in the states that have diminishing turkey populations,

991
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: and just you know, the popularity of turkey hunting has

992
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: gone up, especially the popularity of traveling to turkey hunt.

993
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, and I think it's that, yes, that accessibility

994
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: is always an issue, right, Look at Colorado Elk. I mean,

995
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: if you start to look at how Colorado Elk has

996
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: has ebbed and flowed over the years, you would open

997
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: it up to everybody, and then you you inevitably have

998
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: to start closing off portions of it. You have to

999
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: start taking those over the counter tags off, put them

1000
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: in a lottery. You're putting them in a in a

1001
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: point system, um, in a drawal system. So I would

1002
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: say you're probably right about that. I think it'll take

1003
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,959
Speaker 1: some time, I would guess to matriculate into that because

1004
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: even even states like Kansas, for a while there it

1005
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: was a two states or a two bird state, and

1006
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: then they went to a one bird state just because

1007
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: of populations. Um. Yeah, yeah, I think it will become

1008
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: the is something that as turkey hunters and people that

1009
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: care about it. And this goes back to our our

1010
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: recent conversation around Matt Ronelle's article about our three anti

1011
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: R three, it's like, how do we handle We can

1012
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit too, Um, how do

1013
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: we handle this? Because even this podcast where I'm mentioning

1014
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: I bought tags in this state, I about tags in

1015
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: that state. This is where I love to hunt. These

1016
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: are my top states I am making. I am actively

1017
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 1: understanding that by saying where I love to hunt, I'm

1018
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 1: other people will probably be there. And when the Black

1019
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: Hills are pretty big place, but not that big, not

1020
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: that big, and so I I know you probably run

1021
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: into this. All of us that have like voices in

1022
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: our industry have to think about it. Um, it's a

1023
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: catch twenty two if there ever was one. In my opinion, Yeah, yeah,

1024
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: I try to you know, like I try to generalize

1025
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: like regions that I hunt a lot um, you know,

1026
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: and a lot of people ask what state I shot

1027
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: something in or whatever, and I, you know, it's kind

1028
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: of a dick move, I'll be honest, but I tip

1029
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: quickly respond with the state of happiness, because you know,

1030
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: like I think, Yeah, in my my personal opinion, I

1031
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: think everybody's going to have a higher quality hunt if

1032
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 1: they do a lot more of the footwork themselves, figuring

1033
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: out locations, figuring out states, figuring out regions, whatever, whatever

1034
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: it may be. Like, I think you get a lot

1035
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: more satisfaction out of a hunt if you're not like, oh,

1036
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 1: he hunted here, I'm gonna go hunt here. Yeah. That's

1037
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: just that's just my personal opinion. Though it's tough, man,

1038
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: but I just you know, it was just in Texas

1039
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: met uh a lovely couple, Greg and Casey. They let

1040
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: me hunt their property. They were awesome. I'd love to

1041
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: hunt with them as much as humanly possible. Greg is

1042
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: a hardcore Turkey. Honor and shout out to him. He

1043
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: had your public and tease sticker on his yettie and

1044
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: he he was wearing the gobbler camp. Dude. He was

1045
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: rock and publicly and teas hardcore. But I liked him

1046
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: immediately when I saw that. He's like, I'm obsessed with turkeys.

1047
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: I think we I got along with him. I don't know,

1048
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: he might not like me. Enjoy the ship out of him. Um,

1049
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: he was doing, uh, pretty much the exact same Turkey

1050
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: to whether I'm doing a couple of weeks later, right,

1051
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: And so it just becomes like a part of the

1052
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: culture for people to travel and hit these states up

1053
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: and is accessible and so yeah, man, at some point,

1054
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: the more hunters that are on a place, the more

1055
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 1: it has the opportunity to become a biological desert and

1056
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: and have pressure and even make the hunting experience for

1057
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: those that are residents are traveling non residents all the

1058
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: more negative. Um, we're all more unsuccessful at least at

1059
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: least the chances for that. So I think it's the

1060
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: ultimate debate, it's the ultimate catch twenty two. Um, it's

1061
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: funny for us to be in this position. That makes

1062
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: me laugh because when I first got in the industry,

1063
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: was like, hunting numbers are falling, What are we gonna do?

1064
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: It's awful, Oh my gosh, it's and now we're we've

1065
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: we've shifted somehow into should we let more people in?

1066
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: Should we recruit new people that aren't already part of

1067
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: our networks? You know, I had a buddy that made

1068
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: a good analogy, like the recruiting should never stop. Like

1069
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: think of a championship team whatever sport. You recruited those

1070
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: players to come play there, and you're not going to

1071
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: stop recruiting just because you won once. Like it's a

1072
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: constant thing, Like you need, you need this constant flow

1073
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 1: of people and like you're gonna have some that fizzle

1074
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: out and some that you know re come back in.

1075
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: But like we can't just be like, well we're good

1076
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: and then wait for the next crash of hunters. Yeah. Yeah,

1077
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: our our system of conservation depends on a rising tide.

1078
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: It just depends on a rising tide in more ways

1079
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: than I can count. Um. Often, hunter there needs to

1080
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: be a hunter recruitment. I think it should be our

1081
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: three plus a. Uh, and the A is approval. You know,

1082
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: we need people to approve of hunting as as a

1083
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: thing that's good for society. Um. And that's that's likely

1084
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: more important than the actual recruitment itself. But the recruitment

1085
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: isn't a zero sum game. You recruit a new hunter

1086
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: who's in a family of non hunters, and that person

1087
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: becomes a hardcore outdoorsmen and they love it and they

1088
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: talk about it and that's all they post about, and

1089
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: that's all that they do. Chances are someone in their

1090
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: orbit is going to be drawn into that energy. And

1091
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: so that's how it works. It's not just that we

1092
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: are we're starting new there's you know, new cracks in

1093
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: the surface that people can enter through. You know, there's

1094
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: there's new gates that are opened by that. And I

1095
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: just I have so much passion about hunting and I

1096
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: built my life around it that I'm I'm unwilling to

1097
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: turn that off. I'm unwilling to turn it off. I

1098
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: will keep that going forever. And I'm you know, our

1099
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: buddy Greg I mentioned that's a big fan of public

1100
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: public lan Teaes. I told him, I said, I'm gonna

1101
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: be up in those four states doing a turkey tour.

1102
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: I'll drove some way points where I know birds are.

1103
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: You're coming up there too. I want to share that

1104
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: stuff with you. He shared his land in Texas and so,

1105
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, hunters are generally not apt to do that,

1106
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: but uh, I think you can on a relational level, right, Yeah, Yeah,

1107
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: I think I think at some point, like it's just

1108
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: important to be helping helping others out to Yeah, it

1109
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: really is. But again it's it's a conversation that we

1110
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 1: have to have, especially around our three, Like it's gonna

1111
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: the more that we have success with it, yeah, the

1112
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: more it's going to become problematic. Turkey hunting is a

1113
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: good is a good example, and I honestly I do

1114
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: believe that COVID had like we're not going to know

1115
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: the repercussions that it had like on this space for

1116
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: a while, but like I mean, just how it felt

1117
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: out hunting the last year, Like there were you know, okay,

1118
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: you take professional sports basically cancel uh, college sports basically canceled,

1119
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: most high school sports basically canceled. So you have all

1120
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: of these people who you know, either used to or

1121
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: did limited amounts of hunting on just on the weekends,

1122
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: and now they're working remote. Like I mean, there's all

1123
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: these factors that go into it, and all of a sudden,

1124
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: you have all of these people with all of this

1125
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,439
Speaker 1: time that love to hunt, but may only get out

1126
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: five to ten days of year total, and they have

1127
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: all those time they go out, so like you know,

1128
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: you definitely felt the added pressure, you know, and then

1129
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: just looking at Wisconsin, like selling that many more turkey

1130
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: tags and all this different stuff. I think it's going

1131
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: to be interesting to see how it shifts back. So

1132
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: like you know, we've done all this are three stuff

1133
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: over the last decade or however long, you know, like

1134
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: when it really started pushing and we have COVID hit

1135
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: and then you see this massive spike in you know,

1136
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: people in your spots and people at the trailhead and

1137
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: almost you know, it's all these crazy things like is

1138
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: that going to maintain or like how long is that

1139
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: going to take to shift back? You know, as more

1140
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: states start to open up hunter and people go back

1141
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: to work and sports come back, you know, all these

1142
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: other obligations that people have with family and all, you know,

1143
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: all these things, it will be. I'm just curious to

1144
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: see how it all plays out. Right now, I would

1145
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: imagine that the coffer for all the Pittman Robertson funds

1146
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: and all the state agencies have seen a massive increase

1147
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: in their budget. I hope the hell so. Yeah, We've

1148
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: we sold millions of millions of new guns and ammo

1149
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: is at a h millions of new rounds of ammunition. Yeah,

1150
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: so I hope that that money, uh, it gets into

1151
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: that Pittman Robertson fund and that Man. I've done a

1152
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: lot of studying on this, and it gets divvied out

1153
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: based on at some percentage based on number of hunters

1154
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: in a state, number of license sold in the state.

1155
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: There's a there's a very complicated equation that I can't

1156
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: I can't pull out of my uh jetlag brain right now,

1157
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: But there is there is an incentive to have more hunters,

1158
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: to get the percentage of robertson dollars state by state,

1159
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: and that definitely happens. To your point, I think the

1160
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: way I think about this is what I think we've done,

1161
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: what covid has helped do, and what what I think

1162
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: the youth movement specifically that you've led and our company

1163
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: here media has been a part of is. And specifically

1164
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: I say that because I know the age demograph that

1165
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: listens to this show, and I know it's young, and

1166
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: so I think what we've done is raised the floor.

1167
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm not too cons I'm not too worried about how

1168
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: high the ceiling is, because I think the ceiling, as

1169
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: you mentioned there, is higher than it maybe should be

1170
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: right now, just because of covid um. But again, the

1171
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: important part is how many of these new hunters or

1172
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: new license um holders from this last year can we keep?

1173
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: Right That's the floor. The floor is how many of

1174
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: them do we keep year over year over year every year?

1175
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: That becomes our floor. So I think our floor has

1176
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: been raised to a level we're not really sure of

1177
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: right now. State, state by state, we can look, but

1178
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: we've raised the floor. And I'm not too not too

1179
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: concerned about the ceiling because I think that is the fluctuation, right,

1180
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: you may get a flood of new hunters for whatever reason,

1181
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: um and the and it's it's about that retained the

1182
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: retained part of that group. But I do think over

1183
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: the last couple of years we have raised to raise

1184
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: that floor to a to a. I don't know whether

1185
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: it's millions, but I was just reading an article the

1186
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: other day. I'll pull it up here so I get

1187
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: the numbers right from Pure Trusts about this exact thing.

1188
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: It's it's how do we retain these hunters Michigan's it's

1189
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: a Michigan saw a sixties seven percent hike and new

1190
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: hunting license buyers this year compared This is obviously compared

1191
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: to a fiftent increase in female hunters and a moderate

1192
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: growth in many younger age brackets. The state also sold

1193
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: forty six percent more apprentice licenses, a discounted option that

1194
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: allows new hunters to give the sport a try under

1195
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: the supervision of a mentor. And then this is from

1196
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: Dustin Eisenhoff, who is the marketing specialist for the d

1197
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: n R. He said, we have over one hundred thousand

1198
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: new hunting customers the year. That's a big opportunity for

1199
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: us to work with those to keep those folks involved.

1200
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: Um This says Nevada saw jump and hunting licenses. Um

1201
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: main sold a record number of deer permits nine rise

1202
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: on hunting in that state. On and on and on

1203
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: we go. We can we can list off those numbers forever,

1204
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: but there's obviously an opportunity there right and there's there's

1205
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: an opportunity for us to have an interesting Turkey season

1206
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: where we come back from our torn and be like, boy,

1207
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: that was intense. There are a lot of people. I've

1208
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: been thinking about that over the last couple of months, like,

1209
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: what's the reaction gonna be if we get out to

1210
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: the Black Hills and there's a hunter on every ridge?

1211
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's not a positive It's not a positive reaction.

1212
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I've definitely tried. I don't know how you

1213
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: think about it. I'll be interested to hear that. But

1214
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: I started thinking about it, like turkeys, elk deer, there's

1215
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: as much chance of hunters on the landscape as those animals.

1216
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: Like every time I see a hunter and I see

1217
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: a deer. I try and my best version of myself

1218
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: to think about those things in the exact same way.

1219
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: Both are both of them are supposed to be there, right,

1220
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: both of them are going to be there. Um. And

1221
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: it's helped the way that that I think a natural

1222
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: reaction every hunter, somebody's in your spot or a spot

1223
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: that you've worked hard to kind of cultivate, there is

1224
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: a negative reaction there. No, It's like last spring, I

1225
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: saw more people out hunting in spots that I've ever

1226
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: seen before. Um, And at first it was you know, frustrating,

1227
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: like because like you said, like you you know, you

1228
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: learn these areas and whatever, like you hate to be

1229
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: hunting stuff that's super pressured. But at the same time,

1230
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: like I try to just keep it in my mind

1231
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: that all those people are out there doing exactly what

1232
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: I love to do, and like, more power to them. Now,

1233
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I mean we could talk about all this.

1234
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: They are all the our three stuff and like all

1235
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: of them. But I think, and this this might be

1236
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: I have no science to back this up. I don't

1237
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: know what hunter numbers are like as a whole, Like

1238
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: if they're increased seeing decreasing maintaining. But I think what

1239
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: is happening, and this has shifted a lot over the

1240
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: last ten years, is because of social media, because of

1241
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: people like you and me talking about the importance of

1242
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: public lands and hunting up public land and like just

1243
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: hunting in general and talking about our travels and you know,

1244
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: the hunting public and whatever. I think the few the

1245
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: people that are hunting are hunting harder and hunting more

1246
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: species and hunting more locations than ever before. You know,

1247
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: think about like think about you know, like every time

1248
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: if I talk to my dad about growing up hunting. Okay,

1249
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: he grew up in Wisconsin. He hunted Wisconsin, and he

1250
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: would deer hunt for a week, and he would duck

1251
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: hunt for a few weekends, and he would, you know whatever,

1252
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: Like he'd do those things within the state, close to home.

1253
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: He wasn't planning fifty days a year on the road,

1254
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: you know, and and hunting ten different states and buying

1255
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: tags all over the place and putting in for all

1256
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: these hunts, um and so where it used to be

1257
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: like you'd hunt small game and big game and upland

1258
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: whatever like kind of locally. Now it's shifted where you

1259
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: might have fewer hunters, but they're all hunting more species,

1260
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: more of the time, in more places. Yeah. Yeah, I

1261
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: think social media certainly has added to that quite a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean the media across the board, whether it's podcasts

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01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: or social media, but I think probably social media being

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01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: the big change, um and the big driver, and like

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01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: the kind of media people are consuming on a daily basis.

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01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what's more aspirational, right, Like, and

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01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: when we went through this with our company, we bought

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01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: a sixty four acre farm in Michigan and quickly figured out, like,

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01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: that's great and all, but boy, it's hard to tell

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Speaker 1: a story about that. And in the consistent fashion marketting

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01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: did a great job with that. But again it's just

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Speaker 1: a different deal, um. And so people when people come

1273
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: content creators in the professional sense, you almost have to

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01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: strike out. You know, it's because you're chasing new experiences

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01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: all the time. Exactly, That's all it comes down to, exactly,

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01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: no offense to like Lee and tiffinitly Kassi, they're awesome people,

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01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: but they started off as white tail hunters and their

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01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: show now if you watch is very you know, Western,

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01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: big game heavy, big game heavy across the board, and

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01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: I think that's just a reaction to like, boy, we

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01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: gotta show a lot. We want to do different things,

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01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: and we got to show a lot of different things

1283
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: because we got a lot of a lot of programs

1284
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: put together, a lot of content we want to create.

1285
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: So I think it has I guess the aspirational set

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01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: of Hunters, the people that are in the position to

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01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: talk about it and show it have kind of shifted that,

1288
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: I think a lot. And that's no different than Jim Shocky,

1289
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, ten years ago, fifteen years ago. It's not

1290
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's totally new, um, But I think

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01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of proliferated to your point in the

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01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: last who knows how many years, five to seven years

1293
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: for sure. And I'm assuming some of that comes from

1294
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,439
Speaker 1: the age demographic that has grown up with like this,

1295
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, more available media, Like you finally have enough

1296
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: money to go do these things, and you're like, I've

1297
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: been watching this for the last five or ten years,

1298
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: like people hunting all over the place, and now I

1299
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: finally can afford it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's

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01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: it's an interesting that way. I run into people all

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01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: the time that are you know, I ran into a

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01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: couple last year and two years ago in Bozeman. Then

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01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: are just randomly booked booked a fire tower to stay

1304
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: in for a week and they were gonna lcome for

1305
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: the first time and they just they heard about it

1306
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: on a podcast what you know. I don't think it

1307
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: was this one. It was some other podcast, and they decided, well,

1308
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: we're just gonna go and do that. I was like, man,

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01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: that's aggressive. How long have you guys had a bow for?

1310
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: How long you guys been been in the archery game?

1311
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: About six months? It's like, you're gonna find that ran

1312
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: back into him. But but that's a tough one. The

1313
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: fire tip where they were going to was not a

1314
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: really great spot. But there again, they're doing it. Man,

1315
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, they're out there doing it. They're inspired to

1316
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: do it, and they're gonna learn that way. Um and

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01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: and that I can get with. But it is, man,

1318
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: it's an entangled we're in. We're in this kind of

1319
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: entangled it sometimes real mucky situation where we're um. This

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01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: most recent conversation about R three's right in the crosshairs,

1321
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: which is what do we do if hunting all of

1322
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: a sudden becomes the most popular thing on the street

1323
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: over the next five years, what do we do? Um?

1324
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: But you know that's not something that our model of

1325
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: conservation is really built to address. I mean at that point,

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01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: I think there would be a lot of restrictions and

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01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: then it ends up all coming down to like if

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01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: it explodes in that way, it would come down to,

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01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, really needing millions more acres of habitat put

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01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: back into like wildlife habitat, yeah, and that's all there is,

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01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: and put back into you know, managed habitat. Yeah. Because

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01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: because going back to that catch point, to the more hunters,

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01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: the more funding conservation gets right just on a flat level.

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01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: And then as the point I saw you make and

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01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: you did to take over for n w T, at

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01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: the point you were making there was like the more

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Speaker 1: conservation group members there are, the bigger their cloud is

1338
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: politically and socially, right, the more attention comes to the

1339
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: issues around turkeys or elk if it's r d F

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01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: for whatever it might be. And that's a great point.

1341
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: But I think also you have the catch twenty two

1342
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: of the more hunters, the more dollars we get right

1343
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: licensed sales. Pittman robertson the American system of conservation funding

1344
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: is very much built to benefit from more hunters. Right,

1345
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: So there's there's one side, but are on the ecosystem level.

1346
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,879
Speaker 1: From a wildlife management level, more hunters doesn't mean success.

1347
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: More hunters particularly means more pressure on landscapes, more pressure

1348
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 1: on on wildlife populations. Um. The dynamic that we're just

1349
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 1: we're probably not ready for wildlife because the habitat can't

1350
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: keep up with the funding because it takes so much

1351
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: longer to you know, to raise habitat than it does

1352
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: raise money. So exactly, yeah, the habitat is not something

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01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: you you know, you can replace. And the wildlife populations again,

1354
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: while cyclical because of many factors, is predator, prey, win

1355
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 1: or kill things. There's just happened in any ecosystem. That's

1356
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: a natural ebb and flow. But you have this third

1357
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: and very impactful things. It's hunter pressure. Um. And I

1358
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 1: imagine if you would think about it this way, if

1359
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: you own a piece of property, they have this idea

1360
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: called block management, but let's just remove that for a second.

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01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: If you if you own a piece of property and

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01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: you are and you loved animals, you love watching them,

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01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 1: hunting them, you love being around them, and you wanted

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01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: your property to be a wildlife haven and to be

1365
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: a healthy ecosystem, and you care to kind of on

1366
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: an ecosystem level of every little piece of it is

1367
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: their water, is their cover? You know, trophic cascade? Is

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01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: there a proper predator prey balance? And somebody came to

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01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: you and said, hey, uh, the government will give you

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01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: a subsidy if you allow hunter access and they and

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01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: the government also then says, people will sign. You can

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01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: set some rules and people will sign a log, but

1373
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: you can't sit at the gate and approve each one

1374
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: and shake their hand and talk to him. Right, would

1375
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: you do it if you only were talking about if

1376
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: you didn't care about the money or the subsidies or

1377
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: the tax break you might get for that. Would you

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01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: do it if you just cared about the wildlife? I

1379
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: think the answer often is it would be sketchy. Right,

1380
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: It would be tough. I mean, that would be a

1381
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: very hard decision to make. Yeah, because opening that gate

1382
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: is the ultimate slippery slope argument. Unless you open that

1383
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: gate and people start coming through, and the flow of

1384
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: people start coming through, your kind of no longer in

1385
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: control of the balance and the of the ecosystem, Especially

1386
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: if you've done all of the work to help those

1387
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: populations flourish, you know, just to open that up to

1388
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, stuff out of your control like it that

1389
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: it would be it would be a very hard decision

1390
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: to make. Yeah, And so that's the Catchwaney two. And

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01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: I think that, in essence is what the kind of

1392
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: conversations we need to keep having because there is no

1393
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: easy answer, right, There's no easy answer to it. And

1394
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: it's not that, as has been stated in several articles

1395
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: and rebuttal to Matt Ronella's article, you're an asshole if

1396
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: you don't do this, you're an asshole if you do this,

1397
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: or it's not that, man. People have to make their

1398
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 1: you know, people have different sets, perspectives and value systems,

1399
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: and they make their decisions based on that. And we

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01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:18,560
Speaker 1: have to have an overall welcoming vibe in our community.

1401
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,600
Speaker 1: But we also have to when we let people in,

1402
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,480
Speaker 1: go like, listen, you're coming in. You're coming into this complex,

1403
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: messy situation that has lots of factors not only on

1404
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 1: the state and national level, but on on individual ecosystem levels.

1405
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: And so even when you step into a place where

1406
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 1: you've never hunted, as like a transient hunter that's just

1407
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 1: looking for adventure. You have to understand. You know, you're

1408
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: buying your tag, you're doing your part, but you need

1409
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: to understand kind of the situation you're walking into the

1410
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: best you can. That information is always available to you

1411
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: at the time, so you feel like that covers off

1412
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: on that situation. I mean, it's been something that's been

1413
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: going through my head almost every night when I go

1414
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 1: to sleep, because, um, it's one of those deals where

1415
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: I understand all sides, you know, when when it comes

1416
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: to how do we bring in new hunters, how many

1417
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: of them and what's the impact? You know. And had

1418
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: a big conversation a couple of years back with Randy Newburg,

1419
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: who has been talking about public lands and hunter recruitment

1420
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: and it stuff for a long long time, and I

1421
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: need to I wish I could knew the numbers exactly

1422
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: right off the top of my head, but he was

1423
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: talking about our three and how we don't really have

1424
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: a recruitment problem all that bad because if you look

1425
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: at the numbers of people just coming out of Hunters

1426
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: Safety every year, something like six hundred thousand new Hunter

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01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: Safety members, you know, with a hunter Safety card every

1428
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 1: single year, and that's I mean, that's a lot of individuals.

1429
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: And if you the problem is really the retention, So

1430
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, those younger people or whoever is doing it,

1431
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: like especially the younger crowd, if they get hunter safety,

1432
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: they might hunt for a year or two, but a

1433
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: lot of times, as other obligations happened, they kind of

1434
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: phase out. So it's hard to know which segment of

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01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:58,719
Speaker 1: our three to really like put the marketing dollars towards

1436
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: and put the fun towards two. Yeah, like which part

1437
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: of that do you do? Like is it is it really?

1438
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:06,919
Speaker 1: Do we really need to be focused on the recruitment

1439
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: or do we just need to talk about making sure

1440
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 1: that everybody who's currently doing it is re upping their

1441
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: licenses every year and like keeping those people to keep

1442
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: the funding. So I don't know what the answer is,

1443
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,440
Speaker 1: but you could, we could talk for hours and hours.

1444
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 1: You have to break it down, man. I think one

1445
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 1: thing that's important to break down here though, and I

1446
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: think a lot of people might if you if you

1447
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: stop and think this will be maybe apply to you,

1448
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: is what happens if you bring in a young hunter,

1449
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: right you like me or probably you, there's a very

1450
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: small subset of hunters. Once you become eighteen, you kind

1451
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: of go out of your parents home and you go

1452
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,919
Speaker 1: out into the real world. Let's say you go to college.

1453
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: You're in a new place, don't have a lot of money. Now,

1454
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: you don't have your own you don't have your parents

1455
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: to take you and pay for the AMMO and pay

1456
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: for the guns, and pay for all the things that

1457
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: that it takes, the tags, the licenses. You have college,

1458
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: you have classes, you have new friends, you have parties,

1459
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 1: you have whatever whatever things that you do. Socially, your

1460
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 1: life changes. Has happened to me, your life changes in

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01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: a way that doesn't support hunting, and almost any facet right,

1462
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't financially, you're not supported. Um socially, you're probably

1463
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: not supported because you're being transported into some new place

1464
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: without your friends around, without your social structure around. And

1465
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: so I think one of the things that I love

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01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: the most I know n WTF does this and and

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01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: b h A does this is college chapters, specifically at

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01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,799
Speaker 1: universities and state colleges around the country, because I think

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01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that we're probably going to

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01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: retain emergent hunters that that start hunting when they're adults

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01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 1: what at a way higher rate than than people that

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01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: start hunting when they're eight twelve years old. But just

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01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: it just is what it is that happened to me.

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01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if it happened to you, but it

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01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: definitely happened to me. Um, because your focus shifts and

1476
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: your support shifts at that time in your life. I mean,

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01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: it didn't happened that way for me. Just I if anything,

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01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: I hunted harder when I got to college. Well it's

1479
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 1: like I know a lot of people no offenses like

1480
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 1: people like me. I know a lot of people that

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01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 1: got to college and went harder because they were free

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01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: and the school thing didn't go as well for them,

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01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: but that they're definitely I mean, I said in bows

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01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: when we have hunting fishing university down the street, like

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01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 1: it's you know, that's what it is. So but I

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01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 1: was also to go to college somewhere where hunting access

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01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: was readily available, so that's a different Yeah. Yeah. A

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01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 1: lot of the major colleges are in in major cities

1489
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 1: or major urban areas. So again I don't have numbers

1490
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: on this, but I just that is one of the

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01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: vulnerable points. So it would be nice to understand, like,

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01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: what are the vulnerable points in retainment? One of them,

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01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: I think is is people having kids, young children like

1494
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: I have. And I think one of the vulnerable points

1495
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: in retention is I save retainment. That's not even a word.

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01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: I don't think in retention. I've been saying that. I

1497
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: feel like for this whole podcast, retention is uh is

1498
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:01,799
Speaker 1: it exactly that? Like, well, what are the weak points

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01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: in in somebody's life? Not weak? What are the points

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01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: somebody's life where things shift and you can find ways

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01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: to keep people involved in their hunting, in the hunting

1502
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 1: community locally, um, to support them during those times. And

1503
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: because again what you you know, you lose your hunting

1504
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 1: social structure and you may never go again. So I

1505
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: feel like we've we've covered off of that. We can

1506
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: talk about that forever, um, but we need to talk

1507
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: about your new conservation initiative. And I'm gonna shower. I'm

1508
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 1: gonna heap praise upon you. You You ready for it, You're

1509
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: gonna feel you might blush, well, thanks for appreciated ahead

1510
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: of time. You don't know what it's gonna be. Um,

1511
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: I just feel man, Here's I'll say it this way.

1512
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: Our generation me and you and I. I've we've had

1513
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: this probably on this show before. I think it's fun.

1514
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: It's been fun for me to track along with you

1515
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 1: and others in kind of are a generational way, like

1516
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: friends in the in the hunting space that are able

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01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: to track along in our lives and see how things

1518
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: change ange over time. Right, we're we're part of I

1519
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: feel like a brotherhood and like a bond of people

1520
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: that are just you know, we're seeing it in real time.

1521
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: But one of the things I think is important for

1522
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: that there's people are being innovative and and not giving

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01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: a ship about the way it's done now or the

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01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 1: way it has been done. And I think what you're

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01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: doing with public and tease with your brother Josh is

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01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: one of those things and maybe kind of the a

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01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 1: stark example of relentless innovation, innovation in a way that

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01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: like not only innovation. T shirts are not an innovation.

1529
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm breaking for you, but the way

1530
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 1: in which you guys are moving through the conservation space

1531
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: and coming up with ideas that are not only pushing

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01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: you know, people that that buy your T shirts, but

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01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: also the conservation organizations themselves to to appreciate and pursue

1534
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 1: their own innovation around all the things we're just talking about,

1535
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:55,799
Speaker 1: how we get people in, how we get more members.

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01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: Uh so, kudos to you for that. And I think, um,

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01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna stop innovating, but but this

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01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 1: particular thing you're doing right now, I think is is

1539
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 1: is a great example of the innovation that you've that

1540
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: you've had since you started building a bus, or maybe

1541
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 1: in your head prior to that. Um So there's my compliment.

1542
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna tell people why I'm complimenting you. Well,

1543
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 1: thank you for that. Um yeah, you know. It's it's

1544
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: been fun too for Josh and I to like kind

1545
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: of as we grow the company, you know, and as

1546
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 1: as as we're able to sell more merchandise, the more

1547
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: money we raised for conservation. But it's been fun to

1548
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 1: come up with try to come up with different ideas

1549
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: and and do some things that aren't done in those

1550
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: spaces and try to you know, we're both he owned

1551
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 1: a business, we own this business together. We're both business

1552
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 1: majors in college, so it's been kind of fun to

1553
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 1: like bring a different approach, the business side approach to conservation,

1554
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: to figure out ways other ways to raise money other

1555
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: than banquets and other fundraisers and stuff like that. So

1556
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: but yeah, this's new initiative is called Conservation Crossing, and

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01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 1: it is a collaboration between US at Public Land Tease

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01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,799
Speaker 1: and five conservation organizations where if you buy a single

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01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: Conservation Crossing T shirt, you become a member of Backcountry

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01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: Unders and Anglers, Delta Waterfowl, the Mule Deer Foundation, National

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01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 1: Wild Turkey Federation, and Pheasants Forever, all for bucks. So

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01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 1: typically a membership for each of those organizations about thirty

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01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 1: five dollars, so that's a D seventy five and then

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01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: T shirts so so about a two value for a

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01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: hund bucks and you buy the shirt, we take care

1566
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: of the rest. So we ship you the shirt and

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01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 1: the matching decal for the Conservation Crossing side of things,

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01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: and then we get all of the all of your

1569
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:45,679
Speaker 1: information to the conservation groups and then they will send

1570
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 1: you your member packets, your membership card, your decals and

1571
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: all like you know, the magazines and everything else that

1572
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: goes along with being a member of any of those groups.

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01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: And one of the other things I'll say is is

1574
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,640
Speaker 1: I have all kinds of crazy ideas and it is

1575
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: it's one thing to have an idea, but one thing,

1576
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: it's the other thing to make it come to fruition

1577
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: like you guys have here, and again, to make it

1578
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: easier for somebody to understand the value of joining multiple organizations,

1579
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: you know, I have to sit back and listen, like

1580
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: all of the I get a lot of magazines to

1581
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: come in to mail, and my wife pausble on my desk,

1582
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how I track the organizations I'm members.

1583
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: I have membership in and again, like everybody, getting to

1584
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 1: the point where you appreciate it enough that you want

1585
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 1: to become a life member, because I think that's the

1586
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 1: thing that that folks should be pushing towards. But you

1587
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 1: gotta get in the door first, right yeah. Yeah. And

1588
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: it's whether it's through something like this or just in general.

1589
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 1: But again, there isn't another way that I know of

1590
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 1: to join multiple organizations like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well

1591
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: you should do it. I don't know why. Uh, you

1592
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 1: gotta get the rest of the organizations involved. If you

1593
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: need me to kick him in the kick him in

1594
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 1: the ass and get him in on this, I can. Yeah.

1595
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 1: This was just you know, round one. So I think

1596
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 1: Conservation Crossing will continue to evolve and grow and we'll

1597
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: figure out, um, you know, which organizations we can add

1598
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 1: and how to do that and how to scale it,

1599
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: like how do we how do we make that a thing?

1600
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,799
Speaker 1: So I think it's just the beginning for this whole project.

1601
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, just launched it a week ago and it's

1602
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: been going great so far. I've raised a ton of

1603
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 1: money for all the organizations and just gonna keep letting

1604
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: it cook and keep you know, every every single shirt

1605
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 1: we sell is you know, that's one more member for

1606
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,759
Speaker 1: each five of those organizations. So yeah, it's usually again

1607
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 1: like we were we were saying earlier in the show,

1608
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 1: and we'll continue to say, um, these these these organizations

1609
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 1: are hurt, and especially ones that are really relying on

1610
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: the in person banquets. Uh, it's it's it's it's a struggle. Man.

1611
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: Have you found out some specific numbers or anything you'd

1612
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 1: like to share from these some of these groups in

1613
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 1: regards to to where they are. Yeah, I didn't get

1614
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: actual numbers on like how many members they lost over

1615
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: the last year because of you know, the lack of

1616
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: banquets and that type of stuff. But I mean collectively,

1617
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 1: it is millions and millions of dollars that did not

1618
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: come in simply because the you know, both local and

1619
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 1: national chapters could not have these events that they rely on. Now,

1620
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 1: I think going forward it will be beneficial in the

1621
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: long run because it probably forced a lot of these

1622
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: organizations to learn how to do a lot of stuff online,

1623
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: and now going forward, they're going to be able to

1624
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: do both as states open back up, you know, and

1625
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 1: after the pandemic, you know, you'll be able to have

1626
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 1: in person and virtual events. And I think that'll that'll

1627
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: be a big thing going forward. But man like in

1628
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 1: a single year, the loss was catastrophic, So it's, uh, yeah,

1629
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 1: this this was you know, this whole initiative was also

1630
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: just a way to try to help them out, as

1631
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, as much as we can, and and really

1632
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: just shine a light on all of the work that

1633
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 1: they do. So the last week I did takeovers for

1634
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 1: each of the organizations through the public land Tease page,

1635
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 1: and I think starting tomorrow I'm gonna do it on

1636
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 1: my personal page, just kind of like go back through

1637
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: each organization and talk about like the membership benefits, what

1638
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 1: those organizations are really about, how much your membership means

1639
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: to those organizations, and why you should be even if

1640
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: it's not buying our shirt and becoming a member of

1641
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: all five, why you should be involved at some level. Yeah,

1642
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: And I would say on a on a personal level,

1643
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 1: on an even a selfish level, if you want to

1644
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 1: put it this way, you are you become a member

1645
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: of this organization, any of these organizations b h A.

1646
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 1: I definitely know for sure you now have access to,

1647
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 1: whether you use it or not, a local, state, and

1648
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 1: even regional group of people if it whether you're a

1649
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: new hunter or a a veteran, that you can now go

1650
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 1: to and be a part of. Right there's you know,

1651
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 1: even this podcast has its own state chapters. Um, and

1652
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: that's I think that kind of community, that communal response

1653
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 1: to conservation is as cool as anything and as useful

1654
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 1: for your twenty five dollars or whatever how many how

1655
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 1: many ever well you know hus in this case, to

1656
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 1: join a bunch of organizations, you're able then to to

1657
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: pull immediately, pull in a community of people that care

1658
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 1: about what you care about immediately. I would just one

1659
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 1: of the most powerful tools is just being connected to

1660
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: all the people in your local area. And I would

1661
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: pay bucks just to be just to have that, you know,

1662
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: access to that community. And understand because there used to

1663
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 1: be hunting clubs. When I was a kid, My dad

1664
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 1: belonged to the hunting club, and it was it was

1665
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: kind of about access to the ground, but it was

1666
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 1: also about access to uh, you know, a bar or

1667
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: somewhere and nowhere, or a bunch of people hung out

1668
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: that that did the same thing you did. So this

1669
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 1: is this is it that people don't forget about. Not

1670
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,440
Speaker 1: only are you giving, but there you have the opportunity

1671
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: to get a ton back, but you just have to

1672
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 1: go out and be active in that. Yeah, I was actually,

1673
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been a member of a lot of

1674
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 1: groups for a long time now, but I'll be honest,

1675
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: I didn't do a lot of like a big deep

1676
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: dive into all of each organization's membership benefits. You know,

1677
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: you get the member card and you get the decale

1678
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: and you know, you remember, but most of them offer

1679
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:51,560
Speaker 1: discounts to their partners, like you know, like big companies

1680
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: like like b h A. You know, you get a

1681
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: discount of first Light and Philson and Vortex and different stuff.

1682
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: So I mean, just like that's one example, but all

1683
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 1: of them do it, and uh, yeah, it's it's it's

1684
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 1: been fun to really take a deep dive into what

1685
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 1: each of these groups is doing to help protect I

1686
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 1: mean collectively, like hunting heritage for the future. Really yeah,

1687
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: And to your point earlier, I remember talking to Lantani

1688
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 1: about I was on a committee for b h A

1689
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 1: about the rendezvous. Last year. We did virtual rendevous, hosted

1690
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 1: a lot of events. It was it was fun, man, fun,

1691
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 1: fun time, and we had the exact conversation that you

1692
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: know what you just mentioned. I said to him, Listen,

1693
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,759
Speaker 1: this is gonna be hard to do, to to scramble together.

1694
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 1: That we're gonna lose a lot of money not having

1695
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 1: an in person rendezvous. It's gonna hurt. It's like a

1696
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 1: gut punch right now. But what we're gonna be doing,

1697
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 1: we'll be tougher next time, and we're gonna we're gonna

1698
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 1: have modernized. We're gonna find new ways to innovate, find

1699
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: new ways to get people together. And I remember having

1700
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: that virtual rendezvous and thinking, man, that was cool as hell.

1701
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 1: We should be doing that every single time, and I'm

1702
01:25:56,640 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 1: sure sure we will be. Um And so again to

1703
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 1: your point, innovation in in our in the conservation space

1704
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 1: has been rare, you know, relatively rare. There was like

1705
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,679
Speaker 1: a bunch of established ways to get people together. Banquets,

1706
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 1: as we mentioned, is one of them. Uh, conventions is

1707
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 1: another one. And when those things get wiped off the map.

1708
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: I've seen Wild Sheep had an awesome digital convention here recently.

1709
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:21,679
Speaker 1: U s c I has been doing some good stuff

1710
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 1: and so we've seen you know, I guess you could

1711
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 1: call it modernizing some of the ways we gather, um

1712
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: when we couldn't gather in person. So I think that's

1713
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 1: another big wave coming here. Connect to what you're doing

1714
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, definitely. All right man, Well, I appreciate

1715
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 1: you as always, uh, thank you for joining our pact

1716
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: to come to hunt with us this year on the

1717
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:50,640
Speaker 1: Turkey tour. You've promised on the podcast don't let the

1718
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 1: listeners down. Um, as you can tell, I just need

1719
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: to like convince Sam that this is top priority to

1720
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: come hunt with me top already. Um. Either way, good

1721
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 1: luck this season. It's Turkey season. There's nothing anybody can

1722
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: do to bring me down. I am so hot right now.

1723
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 1: I have two turkeys in the back. Just there's nothing.

1724
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:19,759
Speaker 1: I'm just floating on the cloud. Alright, Sam salt, thank you, sir, Hey,

1725
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: thank you appreciate it. Alright, Tell everybody one last time

1726
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 1: where they can go to get themselves a T shirt.

1727
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 1: To go to public land tees dot com. It is

1728
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: the first item on the page, the Conservation Crossing tea.

1729
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: You can't miss it. There's more information about it there.

1730
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, go join all five organizations right now. That's

1731
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 1: all I can say. It's got a bear, is that

1732
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 1: grizzly bear, grizzly bear, buil deer, wild turkey, pheasant, mallard duck.

1733
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 1: That's right, bamn, do it, do it. That's it. That's all.

1734
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: Thank you too. Samuel Holts and his brother Josh so

1735
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 1: hold public land Tease, public and Tease dot com, Public

1736
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 1: and tease on all the social Media's really cool thing

1737
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 1: that they've been doing, uh pretty much constantly. But this,

1738
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 1: this particular program is as cool as anything they've done

1739
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: thus far. So if you have a HD and you

1740
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,600
Speaker 1: want to support it, please do. It's important to to

1741
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 1: keep folks like Sam in our industry working, being innovative

1742
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 1: around how to get people to think about conservation. Um

1743
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you he's just all around good dude, regardless,

1744
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 1: so sports Sam and his brother Josh and all that

1745
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 1: they do. If you don't mind, we thank you. Uh so, Phil, Yeah,

1746
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 1: we are roughly a month away from your hunt, Pee.

1747
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 1: A lot of people were at like you said earlier

1748
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 1: in the show, a lot of people were asking about it.

1749
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 1: Where's Phil? Is he hunting with you? I'm gonna go.

1750
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm leaving Saturday to go on a two week long

1751
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 1: Turkey tour again without you. Just I just I want

1752
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: people to understand that Phil and I have scheduled our

1753
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:06,679
Speaker 1: hunt for the first week in May, and that every

1754
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: time then nobody knows. But I'm leaving on a jet

1755
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:17,720
Speaker 1: plane and I'm gonna go a two week Turkey tour

1756
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 1: with the folks at First Light for Van Fauston, Kevin Harlander,

1757
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: our friends at First Light and All Star crew. The

1758
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 1: n w TF is on board with our two week

1759
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,639
Speaker 1: long Turkey tour. We're calling it the Trek for Turks.

1760
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 1: More Turkey telethon um stick in. You're gonna be pretty soon.

1761
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: You're gonna be hearing a lot of details. We'll talk

1762
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 1: about it next week obviously on the show. A lot

1763
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 1: of details on how our Trek for Turks is going

1764
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 1: to raise money for the n w TF. We've mentioned

1765
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 1: on the show prior and we've had a lot of

1766
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 1: fun with Cameo. How about the fact that we needed

1767
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 1: to raise money for the n w TF. Banquet season

1768
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 1: is going to be sketchy this there's a lot of

1769
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 1: people getting vaccinated, so maybe there is a more robust

1770
01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: banquet season than we we thought earlier in the year.

1771
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 1: But the lack of of large gatherings is hurting Turkey

1772
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 1: conservation in a way that, um, it's very serious. So

1773
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 1: part of my two weeks I don't want to want

1774
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: to break all the news. I'll let First Light do it.

1775
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: But part of the two week Turkey tour is basically

1776
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 1: a telephone We're gonna be cranking out content while we're

1777
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:23,640
Speaker 1: in the field, throwing stuff on Instagram, asking people to

1778
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 1: go to First Light's website and sign up to be

1779
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:29,680
Speaker 1: a member for some awesome benefits exclusive to signing up

1780
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 1: on the First Light website. So all that's coming. I'm

1781
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 1: excited about that. So, just so everybody knows the schedule,

1782
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 1: two weeks of meter Turkey hunting sands pill which means

1783
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 1: no fill unless he shows up in camp without fit

1784
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 1: and then somewhere around the first week and maybe Phil

1785
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 1: and I will we will be in the field, and

1786
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 1: then we will have taken um our weather b e

1787
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 1: t n out and we will have put some work

1788
01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 1: in with it. Okay, you're good, I'm great. Anything else

1789
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 1: you want to say? No, how have you been? I

1790
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 1: haven't seen you in a while. I'm good, feel good,

1791
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 1: feel healthy? Did I look healthy? Yeah? I told you

1792
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: look great. Alright, thanks? No, I feel good, feel healthy.

1793
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:13,639
Speaker 1: I've had a little long COVID symptoms. I've been telling people,

1794
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 1: oh really yeah, but having that yep, little ringing in

1795
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 1: the ears, fatigue. Man, you got hit. I got hit. Sucks.

1796
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 1: It's not fun. But beyond that, family is good. It's

1797
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:27,600
Speaker 1: spring Turkey season. I'm telling you, dude, you couldn't. You

1798
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 1: could tell me anything and it wouldn't ruin my mood

1799
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: right now, literally anything, And I'd like, that's fine. Can

1800
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 1: I turkey hunt? Because I look back to last year?

1801
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 1: We look back to last year turkey and basically got

1802
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 1: canceled pretty much. We're sitting around there like, oh, they

1803
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 1: cancel it in South to go to Oh they cancel

1804
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 1: in Nebraska. Oh they cancel it here? And I didn't

1805
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 1: kill the turkey. And now that I'm two turkeys deep,

1806
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 1: I spent the morning with my my son talking about

1807
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 1: what a turkey breast is and a turkey tender and

1808
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: turkey thigh and the turkey leg, and I was flying

1809
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 1: around shooting turkeys in the face. It is. It feels

1810
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:06,799
Speaker 1: good to be back and I feel inspired phil as always.

1811
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 1: So you wanna what do you want to say before

1812
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: we go? Let's not drag this out. I don't have

1813
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: anything to say. You could just say bye. I beat

1814
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 1: Dark Souls three last night. Nope, say bye. It's a

1815
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 1: pretty tough game. I was proud of myself. Nobody wants

1816
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 1: to beat I've eaten four of the the Soul Scorn games.

1817
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 1: You haven't directed by hit A talk of Miyazaki directed

1818
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: by It's a video game, dude, How how does anybody do? So?

1819
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 1: You have so much to learn? How does it? As

1820
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 1: a co mentor? It's a mentor mentor relationship. Dark Souls

1821
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 1: three and the Demon Souls direct a video game. It's

1822
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 1: it's determined. First of all video games, so many different

1823
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 1: art forms and and disciplines come into one product. There's

1824
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 1: there's cinematics, there's game design, there's programming, coding, arts, art, direction.

1825
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 1: All these things have to come together to form a

1826
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 1: cohesive product. Doesn't always go well, but when it does,

1827
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 1: you can thank the director of the video. The director,

1828
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 1: I think you would come up with a different that's fine.

1829
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: Take the title director, my title a mediators, director of hunting.

1830
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 1: I've never directed to hunt in my life, so I guess,

1831
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 1: I guess, uh the fellow, you just strip your title

1832
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 1: and strip my title. Anyway. I'm I. I got I

1833
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 1: got the first dose of the Fiser vaccine AG. I'm

1834
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 1: two weeks in, feeling feeling good. You're feeling okay, getting

1835
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 1: getting that second dose next week? Alright, feeling great? Alright,

1836
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 1: phils vaccinated. We're moving on next week. More turkeys, more fun.

1837
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 1: We're trying to recruit Robert C. Jones come back, talk

1838
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 1: about more vegan, vegan stuff. But really, right now we're

1839
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 1: thinking about his turkeys. Um So, if you want to

1840
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 1: write into sc meter dot com, it better be about turkeys.

1841
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 1: That's all we're gonna read for the next two months.

1842
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to get ten. By the way, I

1843
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 1: think I can get it. Yes, So I got I

1844
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 1: got two in the bag. I got six dud. You're

1845
01:33:57,080 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 1: you're you're going on a turkey tour. Honestly, I'll be mad.

1846
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 1: I'll be mad if you don't get in town. If

1847
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 1: I could just shoot ten and it wasn't like legal, really,

1848
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 1: you know, I would just shoot ten. So it's a

1849
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:10,720
Speaker 1: numbers thing. At this point, I got two turkeys in

1850
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 1: the bag, possibly seven tags on this Turkey tour right now.

1851
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 1: I purchased only six I could. I think I could

1852
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 1: buy another one in Nebraska. Have you ever gotten ten? No,

1853
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 1: most you ever got seven? I think, But I never

1854
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 1: started with I've never well, I guess I've probably had

1855
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:29,640
Speaker 1: two this early before. I definitely have. But this is

1856
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:31,640
Speaker 1: I just feel like I gotta I just it's I

1857
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 1: gotta have it. I gotta do it. The turkey meat

1858
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:38,639
Speaker 1: will sustain my family, and if you know, God forbid,

1859
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 1: society crumbles in the next six eight months, we'll be

1860
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 1: living off turkey. You can come over, bring your turkey meat,

1861
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 1: will commune, We'll have it. So everybody root for me.

1862
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 1: I got I can get up to six, up to

1863
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 1: seven on this Turkey tour, so it's possible by around

1864
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 1: April I'll have nine and then it's just like then

1865
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 1: we're just sweeping it in. Then we're just doing it

1866
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 1: and we're living it. There's sailing right in so Um.

1867
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 1: Everybody think about that when you go to sleep tonight,

1868
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 1: Say bye Phil, goodbye bye Clean. You're gone and to

1869
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 1: your bowl where the Hunt Collective show and calling hunters

1870
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 1: new and all, the Hunt Collected show, working pick and

1871
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 1: shuttle or working ben in hand, we conregate nice lovers,

1872
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: ear Lane. I'm a land. We're focused. We're just living

1873
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 1: for the searching, dreaming of the fire and a salty Gilburn.

1874
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 1: But we ain't coming by till it's colden Lake taking

1875
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: its slow so week shoes straight clean, You're gone to

1876
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 1: your bowl where the hunclected show, calling Hunters new and all.

1877
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 1: They ain't no cold time to