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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday, Welcome to Breaking Points. A

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Speaker 2: little bit of an unusual pairing today. I don't actually

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Speaker 3: I think we have over the years.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I know we've done the show together, but maybe

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Speaker 4: But anyway, this is exciting.

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Speaker 5: We all love the premise of the show hearing from

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Speaker 2: Sick of that, right sometimes you don't, I really want

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Speaker 2: to hear from the others. No, there is a very

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Speaker 2: Senator Van Holland. So Sager graciously said, Hey, you guys

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Speaker 2: significant issues. He's been pushing back on Schumor, He's obviously

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Speaker 2: a whole range of issues. Also, Ryan has a weird

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Speaker 2: because of course he does, a weird personal connection with

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Speaker 2: Chris van Holland. You want to save that for the interviewer.

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Speaker 2: You want to give it, Okay, So other things are

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Speaker 2: going to try to get through all of this in

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Speaker 2: But we have a big fighte that's broken out now

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Speaker 2: DOJ is investigating Powell now for some sort of criminal

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Speaker 2: malfeasance with regards to the FED headquarters renovation, and Powell

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Speaker 2: That is a massive, massive development. We'll break that down

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Speaker 2: for you. We've got big developments with regards to ice,

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Speaker 2: including very own again Ryan Grim fighting with the president

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's true.

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Speaker 4: He picked the fighting start.

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Speaker 3: Well, I called him psychotic.

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Speaker 3: That's true, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, Ryan, you want to break down this that chair situation.

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Speaker 5: So last night Jerome Pal put out a let's just

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Speaker 6: On Friday, the Department of Justice served the Federal Reserve

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Speaker 6: my testimony before the Senate Banking Committee last June. That

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Speaker 6: testimony concerned, in part, a multi year project to renovate

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Speaker 6: historic Federal Reserve office buildings. I have deep respect for

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Speaker 6: the rule of law and for accountability in our democracy.

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Speaker 6: No one, certainly not the Chair of the Federal Reserve

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Speaker 6: seen in the broader context of the administration's threats and

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Speaker 6: ongoing pressure. This new threat is not about my testimony

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Speaker 6: last June, or about the renovation of the Federal Reserve buildings.

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Speaker 6: It is not about Congress's oversight rule the Fed. Through

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Speaker 6: testimony and other public disclosures made every effort to keep

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Speaker 5: Those are pretexts.

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Speaker 6: The threat of criminal charges is a consequence of the

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Speaker 6: preferences of the President. This is about whether the Fed

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Speaker 5: And the financial fallout of this, the economic fallout I'll

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Speaker 5: seeking to press the Central banket and cutting interest rates

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Speaker 4: Gold buds really vindicated under this administration.

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Speaker 5: If you bought gold, yes, every day you're feeling better

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Speaker 5: and better. The market moves points, you reinvigorated concerns about

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Speaker 3: Money, and so they because they they don't think clearly.

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Speaker 5: A market doesn't think that, oh, well, he's prosecuting pal

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Speaker 5: by this. This And we were talking about this earlier.

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Speaker 5: You were pointing out that this was this is kind

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Speaker 5: of Trump airing out his grievance from last summer where

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Speaker 5: Palell kind of embarrassed in front of the cameras. When

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Speaker 3: Pal didn't do that. So let's roll.

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Speaker 5: I think it's the third element here.

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Speaker 3: A three.

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Speaker 5: This is still the summer of twenty twenty five, and.

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Speaker 7: Kim has been with me for a long time and

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Speaker 7: you're in judge of the committee.

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Speaker 8: One of the reasons why I wanted to see it

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so we taking a look and it looks like

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Speaker 7: it's about three point one billion. Who went up a

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it just came out.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I haven't heard that from anybody to set.

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Speaker 7: It just came.

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Speaker 3: I know about three point one as well.

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Speaker 6: This came from us.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I don't know who does that?

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Speaker 3: Are you including the Martin renovation?

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Speaker 6: You just retire capital, you just you just added in

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Speaker 7: It's a building that's being built.

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Speaker 5: It's been it was built five years ago.

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Speaker 6: We finished Martin.

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Speaker 7: Five years over as part of the oldall sow So

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Speaker 7: we're going to take a look. We're going to see

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Speaker 3: And it's got a long way.

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Speaker 10: Do you expect any more additional course.

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Speaker 3: O roads, don't expect them. We're ready for him. But

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Speaker 6: Well we may use, but no we don't expect to

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Speaker 3: We're well along as you can see.

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Speaker 7: Uh, nice to take these off every once.

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Speaker 10: In a while.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so the Fed did a renovation project. Trump thinks

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Speaker 5: it's too expensive. Probably is all renovation projects are.

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Speaker 3: And now.

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Speaker 5: In order to make that case, he shows how this

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Speaker 5: letter pal figures out immediately you just throw in another building.

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Speaker 2: Just added in this other building that was completed years ago.

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Speaker 5: I'm not a developer, but if you add in another building,

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Speaker 5: that does increase the cost.

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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 2: Ye, that's my understanding of how this works as well well.

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Speaker 2: And so there's both. So I mean, obviously, government agencies

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Speaker 2: go over budget all the time. Runovasions go over budget

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Speaker 2: all the time. What makes this a even theoretical crime.

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Speaker 2: They're investigating whether he lied to Congress about the possible

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Speaker 2: cost overruns. And so you know, there's the political aspect

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Speaker 2: of this, the retribution campaign. Obviously, Powell's not the first

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Speaker 2: these like mortgage fraud claims against Letitia James and others,

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Speaker 2: Wanted to get to the very latest with regard to

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Speaker 2: He said that the vice president was genuinely psychotic, innocent.

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Speaker 2: He is allowed to discharge his weapon in self defense.

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Speaker 5: Yes, like holes is a lie, there's only one hole.

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Speaker 5: Allowed to discharge his weapon in self defense is generally true,

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Speaker 5: By the I would lost lost count of all the

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Speaker 4: And look where that shot is.

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Speaker 2: Oh he got hit And he.

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Speaker 4: Got hit hard. This proves that conclusively, like it literally doesn't.

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Speaker 2: And it makes you feel like you're going crazy when

446
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Speaker 2: you watch these videos and it is so clear what

447
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Speaker 2: is going on here, Like she was trying to leave.

448
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Speaker 2: Now you may say she shouldn't have done that. There's

449
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Speaker 2: also it's also very clear she was receiving contradictory orders

450
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Speaker 2: at that point, so it was impossible for her to comply.

451
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Speaker 2: So in any case, you could say she didn't do

452
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Speaker 2: the right thing by trying to leave the scene. Does

453
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Speaker 2: that justify her getting shot in the face three times?

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Speaker 4: You know, we've seen now.

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Speaker 2: Multiple videos of protesters who position themselves in front of

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Speaker 2: ice vehicles, including you brought this up on the show,

457
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Speaker 2: or actually Emily brought it up, and then you were

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Speaker 2: challenging her on at kat Aba Gazella, who's a congressional

459
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Speaker 2: candidate in Chicago, where you know they're trying to prosecute

460
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Speaker 2: her because she was part of a group that was

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Speaker 2: trying to stand in front of an ice vehicle and

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Speaker 2: they're getting pushed by that ice vehicle. Okay, So by

463
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Speaker 2: this logic, was her life in danger which she justified

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Speaker 2: to you know, if she had a weapon pulled out

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Speaker 2: and shoot the ICE agent driving the car in the face.

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Speaker 2: Of course, not like anyone would look at that and

467
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Speaker 2: say that's absolutely insane, not to mention it wouldn't like

468
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Speaker 2: it wouldn't solve the problem because the car would then

469
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Speaker 2: keep going. Right, Now, you have what I saw one

470
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Speaker 2: law enforcement you know, I think retired law enforcement agents

471
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Speaker 2: said this. Then you have an unguided missile. Then that

472
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Speaker 2: creates other safety. Imagine there's children playing, Imagine there's other

473
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Speaker 2: people around, and you have now this car careening with

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Speaker 2: the dead person at the wheel. So you know, the

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Speaker 2: whole thing and the approach to it, the immediate tagging

476
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Speaker 2: of her as a domestic terrorist, and the not just

477
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Speaker 2: the defense of but the veneration of this officer, and

478
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Speaker 2: the comments from JD. Vance that ICE agents have like him,

479
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Speaker 2: have absolute immunity. You know, we are already seeing them

480
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Speaker 2: sort of taking and running with that. I mean the

481
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Speaker 2: number of videos I've seen of them just randomly assaulting people.

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Speaker 2: We had another shooting and poor still don't know the

483
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Speaker 2: details of that. Two people were shot there. The government

484
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Speaker 2: story is already not adding up with regards to the

485
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Speaker 2: details that have come out there. So you know, the

486
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Speaker 2: willingness to just completely deny reality is something that is

487
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Speaker 2: very hard for me to grapple with.

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Speaker 5: It is it's very tough, and Christy Gnome has really

489
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Speaker 5: led the way in that with her initial press conference

490
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Speaker 5: where she basically said implied that he was dragged by

491
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Speaker 5: the car.

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Speaker 2: Like she said just before we play this club, she said,

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Speaker 2: one of the vehicles, the ICE vehicles became stuck and

494
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Speaker 2: ensnare in the snow. No sign of that in any

495
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Speaker 2: of the videos we've seen. Law enforcement were attempting to

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Speaker 2: push out this vehicle. Have you seen any of that. No,

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Speaker 2: we've seen no video of that. When a mob of

498
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Speaker 2: agitators that were harassing them all day again we know

499
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Speaker 2: she had just dropped her kid off at preschool or

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Speaker 2: at school, began blocking them in, shouting at them and

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Speaker 2: impeding law enforcement operations. ICE officers and agents approached the

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Speaker 2: vehicle of the individual in question who was blocking the officers.

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Speaker 2: We saw her wave them by by the way roadway

504
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Speaker 2: they could have gone by and with her vehicle, and

505
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Speaker 2: she'd been starting compeeding their work all throughout the day.

506
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Speaker 2: ICE agents repeatedly ordered her to get out of the

507
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Speaker 2: car and to stop obstructing law enforcement. She refused to

508
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Speaker 2: obey their commands. She then proceeded to weaponize her vehicle,

509
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Speaker 2: and she attempted to run a law enforcement officer over.

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Speaker 2: That's what she had said, and let's go ahead and play. So,

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Speaker 2: Jake Tapper, just.

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Speaker 5: Real quick before you go it, because there's this debate

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Speaker 5: about whether or not she was quote unquote stalking them,

514
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Speaker 5: which doesn't change anything about whether or not it's justified

515
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Speaker 5: in shooting her. Right, the shooting was at nine thirty

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Speaker 5: five am, and we know for sure they dropped the

517
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Speaker 5: kid off at school. I don't know exactly when school started.

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Speaker 5: Anybody who was watching this either has kids in school

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Speaker 5: or has gone to school themselves. It's not that much

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Speaker 5: before nine thirty five, Like, there's no even if it

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Speaker 5: even as one of these early starting schools of like

522
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Speaker 5: seven fifty or something like that, that at most would

523
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Speaker 5: give them ninety minutes to be following them around. But

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Speaker 5: that doesn't remotely appear to be the case. Yes, there,

525
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Speaker 5: it looks like a couple of minutes like this was

526
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Speaker 5: like this was activism of opportunity. They're like coming home

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Speaker 5: from dropping the kid off and they see.

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Speaker 3: This is in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: Street they lived blocked away, and so they're like let's

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Speaker 2: get out and like let's let's protest this like that.

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Speaker 5: So this is not like some like antifat trained situation

532
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Speaker 5: where they're like been stalking them all day long.

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Speaker 3: Again, nine to thirty five am is when this is happening.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, anyway, So Christy Nome again on Jake Tapper's show,

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Speaker 5: Why did you.

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Speaker 11: Not wait for an investigation before making your comments?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 12: Well, everything that I've said has been proven to be

539
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Speaker 12: factual in the truth. This administration wants to operate in transparency.

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Speaker 12: I have the responsibility as the Secretary of Homeland Security

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Speaker 12: to know this information as soon as possible. Had just

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Speaker 12: been in Minneapolis the day before, had already had conversations

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Speaker 12: with officers on the ground and supervisors and knew the facts,

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Speaker 12: and has decided that the department and the people of

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Speaker 12: this country deserve to know the truth that the situation

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Speaker 12: of what had unfolded in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 7: With all the.

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Speaker 11: Respect, Secretary, the first thing you said was, quote, what

549
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Speaker 11: happened was our ice officers were out in an enforcement action.

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Speaker 11: They got stuck in the snow because of the adverse

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Speaker 11: weather that is in Minneapolis. They were attempting to push

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Speaker 11: out their vehicle, and a woman attacked them and those

553
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Speaker 11: surrounding them and attempted to run them over and ram

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Speaker 11: them with her vehicle.

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Speaker 3: That's not what happened. We all saw.

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Speaker 12: What happened, absolutely is what happened. Those officers had been

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Speaker 12: out in an enforcement action. A vehicle had been stuck.

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Speaker 12: They had come to help get that vehicle out. That's

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Speaker 12: when this individual started blocking traffic for minutes and minute.

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Speaker 11: They said that the woman attacked them and surrounded them

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Speaker 11: and attempted to run them over and ram them with their.

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Speaker 12: Vehicle, blocked the road for a long time, and was

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Speaker 12: yelling at them and impeding a federal law enforcement investigation.

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Speaker 5: She should have responded, I'm not so sure I agree

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Speaker 5: with your police work there. It's so weird having a

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Speaker 5: Fargo type character as part of this whole thing, like

567
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Speaker 5: what happened to the whole Northwest nice thing or.

568
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Speaker 4: The like, not with the puppy killers.

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Speaker 3: But yet this is what happened. Yeah, actually that is

570
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Speaker 3: what happened.

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Speaker 4: Like we can see the video.

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Speaker 2: We saw it, you know, I mean, And that's the

573
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Speaker 2: point is like they I think I think it is

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Speaker 2: the message they want to go out to all to

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Speaker 2: all of America and especially to ICE and CPP and

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Speaker 2: all of these you know, federal agents and they're kidded

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Speaker 2: out gear who've been searched into various cities. Is that

578
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Speaker 2: we will make shit up on your behalf.

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Speaker 4: We will completely lie.

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Speaker 2: You can do whatever you want, and we will defend

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Speaker 2: it in a like humiliating an embarrassing way, in a

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Speaker 2: way that is completely disconnected from reality. Doesn't matter if

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Speaker 2: there's a video, it doesn't matter if people can see

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Speaker 2: with their own eyes that something completely different happened. We

585
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Speaker 2: will go to the map for you, and we will

586
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Speaker 2: lie on your behalf publicly and repeatedly. And I think

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Speaker 2: you know, so it's not an accident that this is

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Speaker 2: the way they approach it. The other thing here is

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Speaker 2: Tapper asked, you know, made a comparison between people who

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Speaker 2: actually only beat up police officers on January sixth and

591
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Speaker 2: were pardoned by this president versus this woman. And I

592
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Speaker 2: think many people, myself included, have pointed out like, Okay,

593
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Speaker 2: so you know, you guys are very upset about Ashley Babbitt.

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Speaker 2: I think there's some actually justification to be upset about

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Speaker 2: Ashley Pabbitt, Would it have been justified for many other

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Speaker 2: protesters writers on January sixth, you have been killed by

597
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Speaker 2: the cops there who were actually getting beaten and violently threatened.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and take a listen to tap or make

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Speaker 2: that comparison with her.

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Speaker 11: Those are law enforcement officers being physically attacked by this standard,

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Speaker 11: Would any of those officers being justified and shooting and

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Speaker 11: killing the people causing them physical harm?

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Speaker 12: Every single situation is going to rely on the situation

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Speaker 12: those officers are on. That they know that when people

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Speaker 12: are putting hands on them, when they are using weapons

606
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Speaker 12: against them, when they are physically harming them, that they

607
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Speaker 12: have the authority to arrest those individuals.

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Speaker 11: President every single one of those people.

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Speaker 12: And make sure that they're getting justice for their actions.

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Speaker 4: Going forward.

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Speaker 11: President Trump pardoned every single one of those Every.

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Speaker 12: Single one of these investigations comes in the full context

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Speaker 12: of the situation on the ground. And that's one thing

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Speaker 12: that President Trump has been so focused on is making

615
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Speaker 12: sure that when we're out there, we don't pick and

616
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Speaker 12: choose which situations are in which laws are enforced and

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Speaker 12: which ones aren't. Every single one of them is being

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Speaker 12: enforced under the Trump administration and the clarity of the

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Speaker 12: law stands, and if people don't like it, these members

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Speaker 12: of Congress and elected officials should go change the law

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Speaker 12: and make sure they have that debate in policy.

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Speaker 11: I just showed you video of people attacking law enforcement officers,

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Speaker 11: undisputed proof, undisputed evidence, and I just said President Trump

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Speaker 11: pardoned all of them. And you said that President Trump

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Speaker 11: is enforcing all the laws equally.

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Speaker 3: It's just not true.

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Speaker 11: There's a different standard for law enforcement officials being attacked

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Speaker 11: if they're being attacked by Trump supporters.

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Speaker 3: We just saw them.

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Speaker 12: This individual and these instances and these investigations all have

631
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Speaker 12: to be taken and done and done correctly in context

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Speaker 12: of every situation that is happening on the ground.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing is just in group versus

634
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Speaker 2: out group, and it's deeply un American, and the idea

635
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Speaker 2: is supposed to be not that we've ever lived up

636
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Speaker 2: to it, but there's one standard of justice for all.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: They don't accept that. They genuinely don't. And that's where

639
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Speaker 2: you know, included in on the video that they were

640
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Speaker 2: so excited to share. What they wanted you to get

641
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Speaker 2: is this is the out group. So they deserved it,

642
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Speaker 2: whereas January sixth rioters who were some of whom were

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Speaker 2: actually assaulting police.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's the end group. So it's totally different.

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Speaker 2: And you know, that's what Trump's pardon schemes, that's what

646
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Speaker 2: that's about as well, Like, oh, well they're on my

647
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Speaker 2: team now, so you know, even though you may have

648
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Speaker 2: been a former president who actually was involved in narco

649
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Speaker 2: trafficking a quote unquote narco terrorists, that's the term of art,

650
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Speaker 2: now doesn't matter because you're on our team. So you

651
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Speaker 2: can do yeah, you can you can do yeah. You're

652
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: you're close with Peter Tiel and whatever, so you can

653
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Speaker 2: do whatever you want. And you know, and there is

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Speaker 2: he has said himself like he claims the powers of

655
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Speaker 2: the monarch, that the only limits to his power are

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Speaker 2: his own morality.

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Speaker 4: Is that is the quote.

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Speaker 2: So they don't accept the idea that there should be

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Speaker 2: one standard of justice. They they want to rip that apart.

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Speaker 2: They want to change that in the minds of the

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Speaker 2: American public. And I think you have to say, with

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Speaker 2: regard to their own base, they have accomplished that. Now, Look,

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Speaker 2: everybody is guilty on some level of hypocrisy, right of

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of tribal thinking and partisan brain. There's

665
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Speaker 2: no doubt about that. That that is, you know, something

666
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Speaker 2: that happens across the board. This is really something different

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Speaker 2: in terms of the weaponization, the use of the federal

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Speaker 2: government to try to codify and to actualize a reality

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Speaker 2: where all that matters is whether you're on the in

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Speaker 2: group or in the end group. And you know, I

671
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Speaker 2: don't think it'll work. I think people are disgusted by it.

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Speaker 2: I actually be curious for your take on you know,

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Speaker 2: how you think this is going, like for JD. Vance

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Speaker 2: and his presidential ambitions, But they've convinced themselves that this

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Speaker 2: is a strong place politically to stand. I don't think,

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Speaker 2: you know, it couldn't be further from the truth. Abolished ice,

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Speaker 2: which used to be you know, sort of a fringe sentiment,

678
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Speaker 2: is creeping up on majoritary position. Yeah, and the overwhelming

679
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Speaker 2: majority of Americans say that they use way too much

680
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Speaker 2: force and they're out of control because they can see

681
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Speaker 2: these videos and so this is insane, right. I mean,

682
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Speaker 2: as much criticism as I've had for local police officer,

683
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Speaker 2: like you would never see them behaving in this completely

684
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Speaker 2: like just routinely in every situation, totally insane and illegal manner.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it is jd Vance tying himself unnecessarily,

686
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Speaker 5: even like he didn't have to jump in here to

687
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Speaker 5: the least popular elements of this version of trump Ism

688
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 5: or Maganism like that. So I think it's extremely damaging

689
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Speaker 5: to him. I think clearly AOC who I don't think

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Speaker 5: will be his opponent this time, but maybe twenty thirty

691
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Speaker 5: two more likely you've seen her kind of say, like

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Speaker 5: the difference between me and Jade Vances, I don't think

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Speaker 5: that the American people should be shot in the face.

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Speaker 5: Like it's like, how did you wind up positioning yourself

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Speaker 5: in defense of this guy calling him innocent, saying he

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Speaker 5: should be thanked for what he did when the entire

697
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 5: country like saw what he did. Yeah, so yeah, I

698
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Speaker 5: think it's actually extraordinarily dangerous for him politically, Like I think,

699
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Speaker 5: and I think he recognizes that. I think he's a

700
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Speaker 5: bit impulsive. He posts too much, and now he's out there,

701
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Speaker 5: and I think that's why he's saying just completely false

702
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Speaker 5: things because he wants to establish, at least among the

703
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Speaker 5: Republican base, a set of facts which are that I'm

704
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 5: putting facts in quote here and the facts he wants

705
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Speaker 5: to establish are this guy was hit by the car

706
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Speaker 5: and that he and then the you know, the bullets

707
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Speaker 5: came through the front windshield, Like he needs he wants

708
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Speaker 5: those quote unquote facts to be established. And then no

709
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Speaker 5: one wants to show you that grainy, sped up video

710
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Speaker 5: that they've been circulating. Yeah, which if you if that's

711
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 5: all you saw, you'd be like, oh, it does kind

712
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Speaker 5: of look like he gets bumped in that footage. Then

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Speaker 5: if you watch it in the regular speed and you

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Speaker 5: watch it in context with the other body, you're like, oh,

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Speaker 5: he didn't get hit.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think he really cares about what facts

717
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Speaker 2: he establishes. I think he wants the like white nationalist

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Speaker 2: Graper part of the base to forgive him for having

719
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Speaker 2: an Indian wife and and.

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Speaker 4: This is his work. It's not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: This is his attempt to convince them that he's he's

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Speaker 2: one of them, he's one of them, that he will

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Speaker 2: go full fascist, that he's all in on the race war,

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Speaker 2: that he will lie on behalf of the regime. Like

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Speaker 2: he wants to convince them that he is one of

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Speaker 2: the good ones and he is not actually a race trader,

727
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Speaker 2: and you know, I don't think that is ever going

728
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Speaker 2: to work out for him, but he doesn't seem to

729
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Speaker 2: have figured that out.

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Speaker 4: This next piece I think is important.

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Speaker 2: Tom Homan, who it's worth remembering like actually got the job,

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Speaker 2: got his initial job in government under Obama.

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Speaker 4: Was where he was really elevated.

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Speaker 2: His initial reaction after this happened was kind of like

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Speaker 2: the normal reaction you might expect, where he was like,

736
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Speaker 2: we should have an investigation, right, not.

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Speaker 5: Going to say anything about this until the investigation plays out.

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Speaker 2: And Tom Holman is a disgusting, psychopathic cretan, okay, but

739
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Speaker 2: even he was like, we should have an investigation and

740
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Speaker 2: then we'll see.

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Speaker 4: He has since shifted.

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Speaker 2: His tone as he's picked up on what this administration,

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Speaker 2: this regime expects him to do. He got asked about

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Speaker 2: this question of do you think she's a domestic terrorist?

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to this, because

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Speaker 2: I think this is an important piece.

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Speaker 8: Is anyone who protests ice a domestic terrorist in the

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Speaker 8: eyes of the administs?

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Speaker 9: I can't say that. You know, it's a case by

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Speaker 9: case basis, but you know, if you look up definition

751
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Speaker 9: of terrorism, is there violence, is there threat? Of violence

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Speaker 9: based on an ideology that wants to change the way

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Speaker 9: the government does what we do. Look up the definition terrorism.

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Speaker 5: With Secretary Nome correct to label her a domestic terrorist.

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Speaker 4: Mister Homan, look, we don't know what.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: If Secretary Nome knows, what I know, I can tell

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Speaker 9: you is what they did is illegal. And if you

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Speaker 9: look up this definition of terrorism, it certainly could fall

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Speaker 9: within that definition. If you look at definition, you don't

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Speaker 9: have evidence.

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Speaker 4: Pardon you don't have evidence that she's a domestic terrorist.

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Speaker 13: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: What secretary has that I don't I'm not going to

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Speaker 9: judge what the Secretary says, but if you look up

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Speaker 9: the definition of terrorism, it certainly can fall within that.

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Speaker 2: So Ryan, he says, if you look up the definition,

768
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Speaker 2: and true enough, if you look up the definition as

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Speaker 2: offered by this government, he's probably right. And he says

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Speaker 2: something else, that's like, she has an ideology that wants

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Speaker 2: to change how we do what we do. Isn't I mean,

772
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Speaker 2: aren't we allowed to have an opinion about how the government?

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Speaker 4: But in their they think no.

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Speaker 2: And this is where Ken Klippenstein's reporting about NSPM seven

775
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: comes in. They genuinely want to define any protesters, like

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Speaker 2: anyone who does disagree with how they do what they do.

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Speaker 2: They think that's illegitimate. They think we won the election,

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Speaker 2: we get to do whatever the fuck we want, and

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Speaker 2: you don't get to really say anything. And if you

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Speaker 2: do step out on the line in any way, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we we think you should be put in this category

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Speaker 2: of domestic terror. So I think in their minds and

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Speaker 2: according to the definition, which you know, the definition of

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Speaker 2: terrorism is sort of like always fake and made of

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Speaker 2: and extremely political by their definition, they genuinely see.

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Speaker 4: Her that way.

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Speaker 5: Well, they've some elements of the administration have called the

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Speaker 5: Democratic Party like domestic terrorists.

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Speaker 4: That's right, Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: They don't think that opposition is legitimate, even the incredibly weak,

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Speaker 2: barely existent opposition offered by the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 4: They find that to be too much.

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Speaker 5: And what they have managed to do is create actual opposition.

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Speaker 5: If you've been watching this show, you you've noticed over

795
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Speaker 5: the kind of first year of the Trump administration.

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Speaker 3: And Trump himself even commented on this.

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Speaker 5: He said, Wow, I thought there'd be more opposition to me,

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Speaker 5: but the opposition is basically just rolled over, And that

799
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Speaker 5: was that was more or less the case other than

800
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Speaker 5: like Chris van Holland going down to El Salvador and

801
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Speaker 5: a few cases here and there. The party was just

802
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Speaker 5: flat on its back, and so were a lot of

803
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Speaker 5: activist groups. Now because of them constantly poking this bear,

804
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 5: people are actually starting to rise up and can put

805
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Speaker 5: up b seven here. So it's not just that people

806
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 5: are now coming out in the streets of Minneapolis and

807
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 5: confronting Ice wherever they find themselves. You know, they try

808
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 5: to go to the bathroom a target, and they just

809
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 5: and they just get yelled at the.

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Speaker 3: Entire way in and the entire entire way out.

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Speaker 5: They have lost all legitimacy within in the cities where

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Speaker 5: they're trying to operate. And now states democratic states are

813
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 5: trying to figure out different ways that they can set

814
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Speaker 5: themselves up in an adversarial posture to Ice, and they're

815
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Speaker 5: seeing that the polling is against ICE and with opposition

816
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Speaker 5: to ICE. So the Trump administration came in with the

817
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Speaker 5: administration flat on its back and with public opinion on

818
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Speaker 5: their side when it came to kind of reversing Biden's immigration.

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Speaker 3: Policies, and.

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Speaker 5: Because of Stephen Miller's need for these kinds of images

821
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Speaker 5: they have now kind of flipped the entire political table

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Speaker 5: against them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I think that point about legitimacy is very

825
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: important because if you talk to law enforcement officers, I mean,

826
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Speaker 2: you will not be able to operate effectively. You have

827
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Speaker 2: to have some consent from the local community. And that's

828
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Speaker 2: actually what sanctuary city policies are about, because the idea

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Speaker 2: is if there's no trust with local law enforcement.

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Speaker 4: You know, in immigrant communities.

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Speaker 2: Where you have a lot of mixed status families, where

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Speaker 2: you have a significant number of undocumented immigrants, you're going

833
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Speaker 2: to have more rampant crime because people are not going

834
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Speaker 2: to talk to the local cops about what's going on.

835
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Speaker 2: They're not going to assist in investigations, and so that

836
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Speaker 2: is part of the rationale, and there's a lot you know,

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Speaker 2: there's studies that bear this out. It's a public safety

838
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Speaker 2: rationale behind sanctuary city policies. But yeah, I mean, if

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Speaker 2: you go into Minneapolis and everyone there hates your guts

840
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Speaker 2: and are chasing around with whistles to alert everyone to

841
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Speaker 2: you're in the neighborhood and this is what's going on,

842
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Speaker 2: You're going to have a lot harder time actually operating.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Obama earned his moniker to Porter in chief,

844
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Speaker 2: did it in a much I mean, I don't support it.

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Speaker 2: I think he did also things that were cruel, though

846
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Speaker 2: not anything approaching this level of just like mass thugs,

847
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Speaker 2: jack booted, thugs in the street, insanity with the largest

848
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Speaker 2: law enforcement budget of anywhere, of any time, but he

849
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Speaker 2: was very efficient in what he was. He was actually

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Speaker 2: much more effective, in particular at getting the quote unquote

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Speaker 2: worse the worst, which is what they're supposed to be

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Speaker 2: going after, because they actually put investigatory resources towards focusing

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Speaker 2: and prosecutorial resources towards focusing on criminals first and foremosts

854
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Speaker 2: and prioritizing them. So you know, the goal here is

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Speaker 2: not actually to sweep up the most number of immigrants possible.

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Speaker 4: The goal is this show of.

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Speaker 2: Force, and not just to scare immigrants, to scare anyone

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Speaker 2: who would oppose this government.

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Speaker 4: That's what this is actually about.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, immigration is obviously part of it, and

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Speaker 2: those are the people who are most in the sights

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00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: of these mass thugs in the streets and of this

863
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: administration in general. But you know, when they're when they're

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Speaker 2: recording videos, all this surveillance there's new reporting out about

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Speaker 2: mass surveillance systems also in the context of this immigration

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Speaker 2: sweep that is not just targeted at immigrants. It's certainly

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Speaker 2: not just targeted undocumented undocumented immigrants.

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Speaker 4: This is about this is about all of us. This

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Speaker 4: is about the way, the very radical.

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Speaker 2: And revolutionary, very negative sense, in my opinion, way that

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Speaker 2: they want this country to be, in this country to operate.

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00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: So when you put together the largest law enforcement agency

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Speaker 2: by budget in history, with now Trump asking for one

874
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: point five trillion dollar defense budget, I mean, you get

875
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: the sense of they really want to concentrate tax payer

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Speaker 2: resources in a police, surveillance and military state. That is

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00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: the direction that they're pushing things in, and immigration is

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Speaker 2: the pretext for the build up of that.

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Speaker 4: Capacity, right.

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Speaker 5: And the other way that the federal government could have

881
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Speaker 5: gone about this is to say that this may have

882
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 5: been a crime, and we're going to investigate it.

883
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 3: The officers going on leave.

884
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 5: They have instead squarely positioned themselves on the other side

885
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 5: and put b eight the Daily Mail reporting that a

886
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 5: bunch of masked ICE agents we're photographed removing a whole

887
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 5: bunch of stuff.

888
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know if we know if they

889
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 2: are ICE or FBI. I think the theory that this

890
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 2: is actually FBI removing a bunch of stuff from Jonathan

891
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: Ross's house. He appears to have fled with his family,

892
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: and so you know, is this evidence is it just

893
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 2: his belongings that he wasn't able to grab and they're

894
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: you know, helping him out. But the FBI has now

895
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: blocked state and local officials from being involved in the

896
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: investigation at all. And you know, I don't think that

897
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: they care that it is blatantly appears to be a

898
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: cover up. After the everybody from the President down to

899
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: you know, the vice for everybody involved has already said no,

900
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: he's innocent, Like there's no one even if they hadn't

901
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: done that, I don't think anyone would have confidence that

902
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 2: cash Betel's FBI is going to do like a straightforward,

903
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: bang up, unbiased job in any of this. But you know,

904
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: it's it's clear what conclusion they have already made. They

905
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: have no interest in actually gathering the facts. There are

906
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: enough facts available, I think to all of us already

907
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: to see that this was you know, this was not

908
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: justified in any way. I mean, he put him self

909
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: in front of that car, which in and of itself,

910
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: that officer is called officer created jeopardy. Like you're trained

911
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 2: not to do that, and yet not just with him,

912
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: strips you of your defense, and it strips you of

913
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: your defense. That's exactly right, not just with him, but

914
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 2: this seems to be a pattern in practice with ICE

915
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: end with CBP, going back years. There's a twenty fourteen

916
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: article that's circulating now about how they how they do this,

917
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: how they put themselves intentionally in danger in order to

918
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: justify using deadly force.

919
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so the put up B nine here, this

920
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 5: is you know, there is the tensions are continuing to escalate.

921
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: Here.

922
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 5: You have the guy pointing, you know, first he points

923
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 5: this his like riot control weapon at the at the

924
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 5: person and then pulls pulls a gun out and put

925
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 5: puts it right in the pulls it right in the

926
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 5: person's face. Just just utterly, utterly provocative in a way

927
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 5: that seems designed to kind of increased tensions.

928
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: Yes, let's go ahead and turn to some interesting comments

929
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 2: from Tim Dillon. And you know, I find what he

930
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: says noteworthy because obviously he was a supporter of this administration.

931
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 2: He is an immigration restrictionist. I listened to this whole thing,

932
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: by the way it is, he does his classic like

933
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: sort of both sides the stuff, but the clips that

934
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: have gone viral are where he's not backing up the

935
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: administration in this really at all. Let's go ahead and

936
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: take a listen to Tim Dillon talking about how he

937
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 2: does not think that this officer feared for his life

938
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: in that moment.

939
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 14: Now, I don't believe from the angle I'm watching that

940
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 14: the federal officer feared for his life at the speed

941
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 14: she's going, when she's turning the wheel, I don't believe

942
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 14: that the federal officer feared for his life. He could

943
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 14: have shot the tires, it could have done other things.

944
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 14: This idea that everyone just they have to just shoot

945
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 14: them in the head.

946
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: So he says, I do not believe this officer feared

947
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: for his life. He goes on to really go after

948
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: the ICE agents for their lack of training. Now with

949
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 2: this guy, that's no excuse because I think he'd been involved.

950
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: I saw like nineteen years he's been you know, ICBP

951
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: whatever involved in some way, and again we'll talk about

952
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: it on the other side, But in any case, he

953
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: also goes after the ICE agents for their their lack

954
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 2: of training and professionalism. Let's say, let's take a listen

955
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: to that.

956
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 14: I don't believe the cop was justified in shooting her

957
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 14: three times in the face. By the way, I've always

958
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 14: believed this, and this is something that I've quit heat for,

959
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 14: but I've literally believed since I'm a kid. I don't

960
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 14: believe you should ever shoot someone in the face more

961
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 14: than once. I've no, seriously, I think I just think

962
00:46:53,760 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 14: it's ridiculous so that they did that, and they you know,

963
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 14: the guy there, These are not well trained law enforcement

964
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 14: people in Ice right now. We're taking people that did

965
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 14: backyard wrestling. I mean, we are the people that are

966
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 14: in Ice right now are I mean, this is your

967
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 14: cousin who like was in backyard wrestling, Like this is tough.

968
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 14: This is not the cream of the crop, you know,

969
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 14: the guys your kidnapped Maduro Like Delta Force Navy seals.

970
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: This is not them. This is not the Delta Force

971
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 3: Navy Seal people.

972
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 14: This is people that like had This is people in

973
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 14: their third grade rapport card the teacher where they has

974
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 14: violent tendencies.

975
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: I saw one of the Chapbo guys said that this

976
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: was like a war of the unemployable versus the employed.

977
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: And I thought that kind of nailed it too, But

978
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: you know, this guy doesn't have that excuse, And in

979
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: a sense, I think it's a little bit of a

980
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,479
Speaker 2: and I would soccer and I and aren't very lengthy

981
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: debate talk to some about the training as well, which

982
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 2: is obviously an issue when you turn loose a bunch

983
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: of like thugs who have watched this sort of stuff

984
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: and been like, that's what I want to do, and

985
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: you give them forty seven in honor of our great

986
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 2: president days of training, and there's reports coming out saying

987
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: that many of them can like barely read and write,

988
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: and you just turn them loose and have the vice

989
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 2: president say you have absolute immunity, Like that is a problem.

990
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 2: That is definitely a problem. But I also think in

991
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: a sense, the training, like the fact that this man

992
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: has been on the job for years, for like many years,

993
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: I think in a sense the training is also the

994
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: problem because clearly, again the way he operated here, it's

995
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: not just him. It's not just him that's recording with

996
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: the iPhone, right, there's pressure, both for surveillance reasons and

997
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: also for content creation reasons to be recording all these

998
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: interactions and hope that you get on the next viral

999
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: hype reel. Right, the moving around the front of the vehicle. Now,

1000
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: by the time the shots are fired, he's to the

1001
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: side of the vehicle. But walking in front of a

1002
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: vehicle with the engine on is directly contradictory to what

1003
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: any local law enforcement I mean, they have years and

1004
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: years and years decades of training like data of how

1005
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 2: it goes and how you're supposed to approach in a

1006
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: situation where you've got a vehicle where the engine is on,

1007
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: and that is contrary to any of those training books.

1008
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: Yet what you see is many this is done. The

1009
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: same maneuver is used in many, many instances where they

1010
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: try to block in the vehicle with their body and

1011
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: put themselves into that jeopardy so that they can then

1012
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: justify more aggressive and in this case, deadly tactics. So

1013
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: I don't think the problem was that he didn't know

1014
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: what he was doing. I think he knew exactly what

1015
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 2: he was doing, because you can see in that video,

1016
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: you know, when he switches the camera phone from his

1017
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: right to his left so that he's got his you know,

1018
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: his trigger finger ready to go. This is someone who

1019
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: actually was very in control and knew exactly what he

1020
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: was doing in that moment, right.

1021
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 5: And he finishes it with F and B like and

1022
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 5: then they block medical care like so, and it's a

1023
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 5: case where you're where and the lawyers you've looked at

1024
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 5: this said like that also is going to be a

1025
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 5: huge problem if it ever got in front of a jury,

1026
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 5: because if this was purely self defense, then how do

1027
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 5: you justify for forget the second and third shots, not

1028
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 5: trying to help her with medical care.

1029
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it's that's and that again shows you like

1030
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: a gun in the in group out group distinction, because

1031
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: they none of those guys thought this woman deserved to live, right, clearly,

1032
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: none of them, I mean not just the man who

1033
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: killed her, but none of them thought she was worthy

1034
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: of life because none of them tried to save her life,

1035
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 2: and they blocked the doctor who was there who wanted

1036
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: to intervene and help. They you don't if they pointed

1037
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: a gun and him said absolutely not, We're going to

1038
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: let her bleed out.

1039
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 4: That's what the choice was made.

1040
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 3: And I believe it was.

1041
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 5: On CNN, I saw an interview with a with a

1042
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 5: police commander who had said he's like for instance, I

1043
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 5: once had two officers who were shot at by a

1044
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 5: man like who shot directly at them, he missed them,

1045
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 5: They returned fire, they hit the guy. They immediately ran

1046
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 5: and got their medical gear and rushed to the guy

1047
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 5: too that they had just shot who had shot at them,

1048
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 5: and immediately start delivering attempts to save his life and

1049
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 5: call in an ambulance, because at that point you transition

1050
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 5: from he's no longer a threat. You transition back into

1051
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 5: this protect and serve like this is your that this

1052
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 5: is your job's what you're training to do. To just

1053
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 5: be like sauntering around and and like joking around and

1054
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 5: then hop into a vehicle and flee gives gives away,

1055
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 5: gives away the game. And did you did you see

1056
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 5: the h the ice officer busted going into the porta potty?

1057
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1058
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, sharing him play this is I mean, this is

1059
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: just thinking all in ones, all at one. Because you've

1060
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: got him slipping, comically slipping on the ice like in

1061
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 2: a Looty Tunes as kind of way. There's a lot

1062
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 2: of video of that in Minnesota right now. So he

1063
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 2: falls down, okay, not that they're not sending their best

1064
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 2: and then goes into the porta potty with this detainee

1065
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: while you know, this other agent sits in the car

1066
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: and watches Ilhan Omar who you know this is in Minneapolis,

1067
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: this is her district. She posted like, can someone please

1068
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: tell me what's going on with this? Because I find

1069
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: this deeply disturbing. And you know, there was another I

1070
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: believe ICE agent who was convicted of sexually abusing one

1071
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: of the detainees. Like these things that we're seeing like

1072
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: this is only just what we can see. Imagine what's

1073
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 2: happening behind closed doors where the cameras aren't allowed in.

1074
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 2: And by the way, on that note, they're now trying

1075
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: to block there's a law that is supposed to require

1076
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: Congressional any members of Congress, from being able to go

1077
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: and inspect ICE facilities at any time. Don't have to

1078
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: give notice, Chris, you know, I'm just put out some

1079
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: memos saying no, now you have to give a week's notice.

1080
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 2: Don't see how that is compliant with the law. It'll

1081
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: probably be a court case over that. But in any case,

1082
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: Ilhan and others showed up at one of these ices,

1083
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: so they wouldn't want him ment. So, you know, in

1084
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 2: direct violation of a law that you know, Congress passed

1085
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 2: in response to concerns about exactly these sorts of things.

1086
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, Omar said, this is deeply alarming. If anyone has

1087
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 5: more information, please share Brooklyn centers in my district, and

1088
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 5: I would love any info you all can provide. Yeah,

1089
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 5: and when it's bad news, when you're like, oh, if

1090
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 5: you've seen the video of the ice officers, you know,

1091
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 5: slipping on the ice and then but like and you're like,

1092
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 5: which one because then the other one they slip on

1093
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 5: the ice and the guy and his gun discharges. Yes,

1094
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 5: there's there's no world in which you're following proper gun

1095
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 5: safety and you fall in your gun discharges Like, that's

1096
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Speaker 5: just not a thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he almost took out his buddy there. Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: was alongside there was another instance where they again involved

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Speaker 2: involved a vehicle and they were trying to shoot the

1100
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: person in the vehicle and ends up like the bullet

1101
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: ricochet and he shoots his partner. So yeah, I mean

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00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: just comically comically.

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Speaker 5: One's being caught on video like there's somebody just happened

1104
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 5: to be filming that portaty right like what like that?

1105
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 5: So we're just getting the very very tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right. That's exactly right. All right, Ryan, you

1107
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Speaker 4: want to tell us what's going on in Iran.

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Speaker 5: So moving on to Iran, President Trump on Air Force

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Speaker 5: One was asked about whether or not Iran has cross

1110
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 5: across a red line. Yet it's interesting, if we were

1111
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 5: just talking about a protest being killed in Minneapolis, Trump

1112
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 5: seems to have more concern for protesters being killed in

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Speaker 5: Iran than he does here.

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Speaker 3: In the United States.

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Speaker 5: Setting that apocrious hypocrisy aside, let's listen to Trump's back

1116
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 5: and forth with the press about whether or not he's

1117
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 5: about to start bombing Iran. I guess on in the

1118
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 5: interests of peace or something. Let's roll this.

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Speaker 13: They call yesterday Iran call to negotiate. Yesterday, the leaders

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Speaker 13: of Iran called they want to negotiat.

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Speaker 10: I think they're tired of being beat up by the

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00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 10: United States. Iran wants to negotiate. Yes, we may meet

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Speaker 10: with them. I mean if a meeting is being set up,

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Speaker 10: but we may have to act because of what's happening

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00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 10: before the meeting. But a meeting is being set up,

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Speaker 10: Iran called, they wanted negotiating.

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Speaker 5: And so we know that the foreign minister from Oman

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Speaker 5: recently went to Tehran. There's some reports that he delivered

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Speaker 5: some type of a message from the United States. Iran

1130
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Speaker 5: is responding saying they want to get back into the

1131
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 5: Iran nuclear deal, but obviously if you go to war

1132
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Speaker 5: against us, that will make those negotiations a little bit more.

1133
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Speaker 3: Difficult if we can put up D one.

1134
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 5: According to the New York Times and other outlets, Trump

1135
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 5: has been briefed on new option for striking Iran. He

1136
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 5: has laid out what he has said is a red line,

1137
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 5: although it's not entirely clear what that red line is.

1138
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Speaker 5: It is if if protesters are killed under certain circumstances

1139
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 5: but not other circumstances, because some of these protests have

1140
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Speaker 5: veered into not just like riots, but like armed, armed

1141
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 5: attacks on security forces. More than Iran has said, I

1142
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 5: think more than one hundred members of the security services.

1143
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 3: Have been killed.

1144
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 5: You've seen some and you're seeing videos of that circulate.

1145
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 5: Police officer killed and set on fire, a nurse was killed,

1146
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 5: firefighter was killed. There are reports of the beheadings of

1147
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 5: at of like government security services. Meanwhile, you have at

1148
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 5: least five hundred protesters killed at this point, and arguably

1149
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 5: probably thousands at this point, like it's and Iran has

1150
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 5: cut the internet, so it's very difficult to get to

1151
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 5: get legitimate information out of there. Lindsey Graham was at

1152
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 5: an event last night and told people there he had

1153
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 5: to cut it short because he was very excited that

1154
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 5: we might go to war that night.

1155
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 3: Let's roll D two.

1156
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 8: But the reason I had to cut the speech off

1157
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 8: a little bit, and it was really very kind of

1158
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 8: you to do what you were doing. I don't know what,

1159
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 8: but this might be the night. It's just a matter

1160
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 8: of time now, just a matter of time. Why is

1161
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 8: it just a matter of time? And you know what

1162
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 8: I'm talking about, don't you. This tyrannical regime needs to end.

1163
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 8: We need to end this for the good people of

1164
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 8: Iran and for our own selves and the people of Israel.

1165
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 3: We need to.

1166
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 8: Take this guy down. He needs to leave, standing up

1167
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 8: or laying down, I don't care.

1168
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 3: He needs to go.

1169
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 8: And if we can pull this off, it'd biggest change

1170
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 8: in the Mid East in a thousand years.

1171
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 3: Hamas has gone.

1172
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Speaker 5: It's not even clear to me why Lindsey Graham would

1173
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 5: need to cut it short, Like is he calling the

1174
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 5: shots here? Is he like picking targets like what is

1175
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 5: his involvement with this potential bombing or is he just

1176
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 5: need to be in private to enjoy it, needs.

1177
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 4: To be alone to fully savor the moment.

1178
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 5: Like the fact that he's still so influential with Trump

1179
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 5: really undercuts the idea that Trump.

1180
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 3: Is not just.

1181
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: There are many things about this that have undercut the

1182
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: idea that Trump is.

1183
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 4: Mister Pace.

1184
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: I mean to be honest with you, I think he

1185
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 2: is worse than the neocons. He's actually worse than the

1186
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 2: neocons because he has bombed what seven countries so far,

1187
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 2: and you know, the any of the like at least

1188
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: the neocons felt the need to like build up some

1189
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 2: sort of case, have some sort of legit intemacy with

1190
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: the American people, the full on barbarism and the complete

1191
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: law of the jungle might makes right like this this

1192
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: is this is actually worse now. And I'm someone who

1193
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: and I think you were too, probably and the first

1194
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 2: Trump administration was like Bush is still worse, Like Bush

1195
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: is still worse than what you know what Trump has been.

1196
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: I can no longer make that case. Like the resistance

1197
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 2: lips were right, their most arranged takes on everything except

1198
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: Rush of Gate were one hundred percent proven correct. I

1199
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Speaker 2: am sorry forever criticizing you, you guys, and you know

1200
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 2: what all the like discussion of his world temperament and

1201
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: like his character, which I also used to sort of

1202
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 2: like roll my eyes and no, you were correct, like

1203
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 2: that actually did that ended up mattering a lot in

1204
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 2: terms of the conduct of his presidency. So yeah, completely vindicated.

1205
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: You know that first clip we played about where Trump

1206
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 2: is like, you know, maybe we'll talk about a deal.

1207
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: I would love to believe that's the case, but we've

1208
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: now had multiple instances where the possibility of diplomacy has

1209
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: been used as a pretext and a cover for a

1210
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 2: bombing campaign. So you can never like this could be

1211
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: yet another trojan horn. Oh we're going to extend the arm.

1212
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 2: Oh now we know where all of you are, so

1213
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 2: we can murder you. You know that, Like you just

1214
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: can't rule any of that out. Ever, not to mention

1215
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 2: in that same clip, he says, well, we might have

1216
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: to take action before we can get to the negotiation table.

1217
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 3: And there's also a.

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01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 5: Thing where he's like like, Okay, yeah, we're doing a

1219
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 5: lot of war, but we're really only going to do

1220
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 5: it in our hemisphere. That's what America first means, just

1221
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 5: doing the war here. So okay, you thought we were

1222
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 5: going to be, you know, a more peaceful administrative we're not.

1223
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 3: But it's just here, promise.

1224
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 5: And then like three days later like, oh and also

1225
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 5: we're going to bomb Iron, right, which is I mean.

1226
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 3: Can you can pick up a globe if you don't

1227
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 3: believe me? It's not in our backyard?

1228
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right now, the Swedes are thinking of getting

1229
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: nukes to protect themselves from like they're in a coalition

1230
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 2: of Nordic countries, Like maybe we should get news. You should,

1231
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 2: everybody should. I mean, that is the logic that we

1232
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 2: have created around the world. The only people we don't

1233
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 2: fuck with are the ones who have nuclear weapons. So,

1234
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 2: you know, I guess that's that's the way that people

1235
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: are increasingly looking at it. And who could possibly blame

1236
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 2: them for viewing things through that lens, you know, in

1237
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 2: terms of what actually happens here, I genuinely don't know,

1238
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 2: because Trump doesn't. I think he doesn't want to get

1239
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 2: into some long protracted He.

1240
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 4: Likes the theater of war.

1241
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 2: He likes being able to do his mission accomplished moment

1242
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 2: after the you know, Seal team or whoever goes in

1243
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 2: and does their Oh my god, we kidnapped Maduro and

1244
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 2: it was so spectacular and amazing and aren't we the best?

1245
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 2: And obviously right now he actually posted that he's the

1246
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 2: acting president of Venezuela.

1247
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Speaker 4: I don't know if he saw that.

1248
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he likes that, but he had enough enough

1249
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 2: caution around, you know, putting this Machado in and like

1250
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: completely doing the regime change thing, like that's probably going

1251
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 2: to require more for me than I really want to give.

1252
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Speaker 4: And he seems to have that same sense. In Iran,

1253
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 4: he said that.

1254
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, this rezip Levi al Sun for the shot.

1255
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 3: He doesn't have the.

1256
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 2: Jews, he doesn't have the support. And he's right, I mean,

1257
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 2: he's absolutely right. But the Israelis definitely want to they

1258
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 2: want a regime change, but you know, tree to Parsi

1259
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 2: is correct and saying what they really want is regime destabilization,

1260
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: Like they don't care for Rams, the failed state. They're

1261
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 2: happy for Aron to be. Yeah, they want it to

1262
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 2: be a Libyer or a siri or whatever, like that's

1263
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 2: what their goal is now is Trump is he on

1264
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 2: board with that goal? We don't know but it certainly

1265
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: seems like he is being increasingly persuaded by the ego

1266
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 2: kick that he got out of the Venezuela operation, plus

1267
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 2: these protests, which I think are helping to convince him

1268
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 2: that this would be easier than perhaps he thought in

1269
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 2: the past. So, you know, I don't think there's anything

1270
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Speaker 2: that we could possibly put off the table, especially.

1271
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Speaker 4: When again mirror mirroring.

1272
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Speaker 2: The dynamic with Venezuela, where you have the Miami occupied government,

1273
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: with Marco Rubio and others who are you know, South

1274
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 2: Floridians who are very excited about these possibilities. You have

1275
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: a similar dynamic obviously with Mary Maddilson and people in

1276
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 2: the administry or my Kakabee and people in the administration

1277
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 2: who are very very committed to what Israel wants with

1278
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 2: regard to Iran, and they're just going to keep pushing

1279
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 2: and pushing and pushing and cycling through arguments with him

1280
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 2: until they find one which works, which is exactly what

1281
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 2: happened previously with Iran, and which is exactly what happened

1282
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 2: with Venezuela. They kept making different cases to him until

1283
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 2: they found one that they could use to convince him

1284
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 2: to effectuate the NDS that they wanted.

1285
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Speaker 5: And I don't even know what this one is, Like,

1286
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 5: what's the argument, like why like he was he did

1287
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 5: a twelve day war. They wanted more than twelve days,

1288
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,919
Speaker 5: although they were getting pounded pretty badly, but they still

1289
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 5: would have gone a little further. But what is like,

1290
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 5: what even is the argument? Like I haven't I think,

1291
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 5: as a better bit of the public, I haven't even

1292
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 5: like received like why are we going to bomb them

1293
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 5: this time?

1294
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 4: Right?

1295
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 2: Because initially he had said in his meeting with Netanyahu,

1296
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 2: if they went back to building nuclear weapons.

1297
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Speaker 4: Right, that that would be but he they yeah, they, I.

1298
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Speaker 2: Mean, we haven't received even any fake reports about that.

1299
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 2: Well that's probably coming soon, stay tuned for that. But

1300
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 2: in any case, that's sort of been pushed to the side.

1301
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 2: Now it's supposedly about like the rights and dignity of

1302
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 2: the protesters. I mean, does anyone really believe that Trump

1303
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 2: cares about like the you know, aspirational human rights of

1304
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 2: the Iranian protesters when obviously doesn't give a shit about

1305
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 2: that with American protesters. But now since he put this

1306
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 2: red line down, now it's just about ego. It's like

1307
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 2: they're they're embarrassing you. You know, you said you made

1308
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 2: this line in the sand. You can't be like Obama

1309
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 2: where he had his red line and then they walked

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Speaker 2: all over him like you said this thing. You've got

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Speaker 2: to stand strong, I think. I mean, that's as far

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Speaker 2: as I can tell, because I don't really see any

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Speaker 2: sort of any other affirmative case being made for why

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Speaker 2: this is in our interest at all?

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Speaker 5: And isn't the a bombing campaign more likely to just end.

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Speaker 3: The protests like that?

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Speaker 5: That's the only I don't I don't connect how coming

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Speaker 5: in with you bomb a bunch of military installations or something,

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Speaker 5: and that that's good, that's kind of somehow further the protests.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I get. I guess anything's possible.

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Speaker 5: Meanwhile, Iran has said put up D three here that

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Speaker 5: if the US strikes Iran, that they that they consider

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Speaker 5: US targets throughout the Middle East, including the bases in

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Speaker 5: Iraq which are which are quite vulnerable to irunning attacks,

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Speaker 5: as well as any Israeli targets, that those are legitimate

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Speaker 5: targets and that's that that's how that's how they will respond.

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Speaker 3: We put up and.

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Speaker 5: Then covering these protests is extraordinarily difficult. There is probably

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Speaker 5: no arena where there's more disinformation and fake videos thrown

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Speaker 5: out there. Trita Parsi has has talked about this. It's

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Speaker 5: like it's there's some some is trickling out. There are

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Speaker 5: a few Starlink Starlink was mostly successfully taken down actually,

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Speaker 5: which is fascinating development and it's freaking out, you know,

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Speaker 5: Musk investors. It seems like Russian Iran figure found a

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Speaker 5: kill switch for it. Some starlinks are still operative and

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Speaker 5: have been able to get some videos of massacres out.

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Speaker 5: Some Arinians have left and gone to say Dubai or

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Speaker 5: elsewhere and have brought videos with them. One of those

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Speaker 5: we can put up D five here actually and then

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Speaker 5: we'll go back to go.

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Speaker 3: Back to D four. D five.

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Speaker 5: This is this is footage being played and we blurred

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Speaker 5: this out, but these are basically there's two hundred and

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Speaker 5: fifty files here. Somebody smuggled this out, likely was smuggled out,

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Speaker 5: and it's basically evidence of about of at least two

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Speaker 5: hundred and fifty people getting killed. And then each file

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Speaker 5: kind of goes through somebody else where and families are

1348
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Speaker 5: being asked to come to come identify and receive their

1349
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Speaker 5: their their loved ones, and we could, like I said,

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Speaker 5: we could be talking about many thousands of.

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Speaker 3: Debt at this point.

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Speaker 5: Meanwhile, in Los Angeles, Yeah, and we can put up

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Speaker 5: this this post here. D four, a U haul truck

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Speaker 5: drove through a group of protesters who are who are

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Speaker 5: supporting the protests against the Iranian regime.

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Speaker 3: The imagery on the U haul.

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Speaker 5: Is suggestive of the possibility that it is an m

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Speaker 5: K aligned action. M K is this bizarre kind of

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Speaker 5: anti regime cult that is also hostile to the Shah

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Speaker 5: and that has weird connections to the US security establishment

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Speaker 5: and was based in Iraq and backed by the CIA

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Speaker 5: at various times. Like it's like it's a very just

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Speaker 5: look up the m K. It's a very odd organization

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Speaker 5: that has no base of support inside Iran and would

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Speaker 5: do something insane like.

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Speaker 2: This, like terror attacks previously, the whole like we've turned

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Speaker 2: over a new leaf thing.

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Speaker 5: But if you did, like I don't know if this

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Speaker 5: member got the memo, if it was if this was

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Speaker 5: an MK link attack, but this is the kind of

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Speaker 5: thing that m K would be associated with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and these were you know, the I think the

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Speaker 2: protest the flavor was like pro monarchists, you know, more

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Speaker 2: in back, Yeah, the the Shaw's Sun and you know,

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Speaker 2: in support of him, et cetera. So in any case, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you have very difficult situation to know what's going on

1377
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Speaker 2: in the ground. I saw doctor Parcy also tweeting, and

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Speaker 2: it might have even been in that tweet that anecdotally

1379
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,799
Speaker 2: what he's hearing is that the some of the lesson

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Speaker 2: that was taken from the previous protests, which were largely peaceful,

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Speaker 2: was that they failed because they were to they were peaceful,

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Speaker 2: that there wasn't violent a violent cost associated with it,

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Speaker 2: and that's part of why you're seeing this, you know,

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Speaker 2: this more violent approach from the protesters this time. But

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Speaker 2: again it's very hard to know what's what exactly is

1386
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Speaker 2: going on, how White's right, they are, how there's no

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Speaker 2: doubt that the Iranian regime is deeply unpopular. I don't

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Speaker 2: think there's any question about that. And you know, part

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Speaker 2: of that is the certainly the repression. These protests were

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Speaker 2: initially sparked by the currency collapse, triggered by you know,

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Speaker 2: largely by our sanctions and our aggressive approach towards them.

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Speaker 2: We've trashed their economy. You know, youth unemployment is just

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Speaker 2: sky high. It's an incredibly you know, dim situation for

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Speaker 2: people economically on the ground. And so it's no surprise

1395
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Speaker 2: that the country would be a powder keg. And it's

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Speaker 2: also no surprise that you would have actors in the

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Speaker 2: US and Israel who want to take advantage of those

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Speaker 2: legitimate grievances to pursue their own ideological ends.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and Israel brags about how well organized massade is inside.

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Speaker 4: Iran and that well they've showed that off out.

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Speaker 5: Of what a massive network of allies and assets they

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Speaker 5: have in there. And there was no immediate and we'll

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Speaker 5: get to Van Holland the moment. There was no immediate

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Speaker 5: kind of triggering event that sparked these protests. It really

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Speaker 5: appears like it was an organized, like orchestrated, planned out

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Speaker 5: thing rather than you know, let's say somebody, you know,

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Speaker 5: a protester, or police kill somebody, or you know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe an ICE agent shooting someone in the base three

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Speaker 2: times for as one example, as a precipitating event.

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Speaker 3: There was none of that.

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Speaker 5: It was just like all of a sudden, there's protests. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and you have Israel, and Israel was in the weeks

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Speaker 5: leading up to this, saying we're going to war against

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Speaker 5: them again, and so they've basically taken a lot of

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Speaker 5: credit for this