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Speaker 1: It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Were with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Sunday, August first, two, twenty one,

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Speaker 1: Season seventeen, episode number six. Welcome to the latest edition

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Speaker 1: of The Break. We live from Oxnard, California. It is

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Speaker 1: day eleven of training Camp twenty twenty one, presented by

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Speaker 1: American Airlines. Got David Nick with me and we got

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Speaker 1: forty five minutes of Cowboys Talk here with you guys today.

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Speaker 1: The schedule for the day, we got the show here

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Speaker 1: at nine. At ten am, we've got coach McCarthy. He

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Speaker 1: will have his daily presser, and at eleven o'clock the

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Speaker 1: team will take the fill for their practice for today

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Speaker 1: it will be I guess the next The next practice

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Speaker 1: it will have will be on Tuesday. And this is

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Speaker 1: the week that starts to get a little bit wonky

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Speaker 1: because games start this week. Cowboys will be traveling to Canton,

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Speaker 1: Ohio to take on the Pittsburgh Steelers in the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame Game, and don't expect to see a lot

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Speaker 1: of starters. I don't think for either team in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: But we'll see how it goes. It'll be good for

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Speaker 1: some of those younger guys, second third team guys to

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Speaker 1: get in there. We'll talk a little bit more about

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Speaker 1: that on our Tuesday show by some of the things

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Speaker 1: you guys may be looking for. But seven practices are done,

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Speaker 1: You've got six more to go, and let's start first

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Speaker 1: by giving an injury update, Dave, why don't you tell me,

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Speaker 1: looking at this team, what are some of the injuries

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Speaker 1: we got? Tyren Smith, Jordan Lewis, Kelvin Joseph, tell me

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Speaker 1: where they are. Some came back to practice, some are

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Speaker 1: still not practicing fully. Where are we? Yeah, It's it's

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Speaker 1: tricky because at this time of the year, at this

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Speaker 1: kinds of reasons, some not most really not necessarily serious.

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Speaker 1: You know, Tyron has been out quote unquote for two

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Speaker 1: somebody on the fence line yesterday was like, Dave, Dave,

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Speaker 1: what's what's wrong with Zach? He's missed two days? Is

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Speaker 1: he okay? And I was like, he's getting in the

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Speaker 1: were giving people personal injury reports. Yes, absolutely, no, Come

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Speaker 1: find me in Oxnard and I'll let you know. Um,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis mixed back in yesterday, Kelvin Joseph mixed back

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Speaker 1: me an observation from yesterday's practice. Well, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: You've seen that in some positions, but not at all positions.

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Speaker 1: they're gonna run it. And you know, you gotta stop

425
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Speaker 1: Clyde Clyde Edwards, Zhilaire. I mean you want to go

426
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Speaker 1: through the whole thing, Hi, Yeah, Yeah, I don't know it. Yeah,

427
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Speaker 1: it's your guy, it's your gay forever. But I mean

428
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Speaker 1: like it, and I get My point is it's it's

429
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Speaker 1: easy Raiders oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. I didn't even

430
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Speaker 1: think about him. But yeah, it's easy to overlook that

431
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Speaker 1: because you know, most NFL teams are at least decent

432
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Speaker 1: at it, you know, I mean, the Cowboys have never

433
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys have not added any elite defense in the

434
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Speaker 1: entire time that I've worked here. But more often than not,

435
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Speaker 1: you're not going into the game like really, You're like, yeah,

436
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Speaker 1: I mean, they might be able to run the ball,

437
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Speaker 1: but it's not gonna be crazy. I mean, last year,

438
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Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. It was unbelievable. And

439
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 1: so the bad part is you're not gonna have a

440
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Speaker 1: winning record playing defense like that. But the good part

441
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: is it shouldn't be that hard to improve from that.

442
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how bad it was, and that you know,

443
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 1: you can see the blueprint in front of you. They

444
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: bolstered the linebacker crew and the defensive line is enormous

445
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Speaker 1: compared to what we've been used to. I mean, Rod

446
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 1: Marinelli loved those Let think about the guys that played

447
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 1: defensive line for this team over the last five years,

448
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: like he loves the undersize three techniques. But you know Austin,

449
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: you know, fun guy, underrated player maybe, but Antoine Woods

450
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: was tiny by defensive lineman standards. That was not the

451
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Speaker 1: case here. I wrote a note about it yesterday. I mean,

452
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Speaker 1: Bohanna's six four three thirty, Brent Urban six seven three ten,

453
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Speaker 1: Carlos Watkin is six four three ten something like. I mean,

454
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: these guys are enormous and they're long too, and so

455
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: putting that much beef in front of these linebackers and

456
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Speaker 1: hoping that cleans them up to make more plays, I mean,

457
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Speaker 1: it's it's pretty obvious what they're trying to do. Don't

458
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Speaker 1: get all work. You think they'll be better stopped and

459
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Speaker 1: run this year. It will work in the sense like

460
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Speaker 1: they will be better they will not give up one

461
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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty yards per game. I refuse to. But

462
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 1: like dan Quinn's been doing this for too long, and

463
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Speaker 1: I know his defenses haven't weren't amazing in Atlanta, But

464
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: they're going back to something these guys are more familiar with,

465
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Speaker 1: and I think they have a little bit more talent.

466
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're gonna be top ten, but they

467
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Speaker 1: have to be better. There's no way they can be worse. Definitely.

468
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Speaker 1: I think the scheme will be there. I think they'll

469
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Speaker 1: play more downhill, they'll put the linebackers will be closer.

470
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Speaker 1: I think you got physical players, now you got physical safeties. Yeah.

471
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Speaker 1: I do think that they're going to be a better

472
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Speaker 1: run stopping team. And I think that's important when you

473
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Speaker 1: look at the quarterbacks that they face this year, they

474
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Speaker 1: face better running backs, and they face quarterbacks. And I

475
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Speaker 1: know that they faced the top two in the league

476
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Speaker 1: and the two and they're in the super Bowl. But

477
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Speaker 1: after that there's a considerable drop off. You have quarterbacks

478
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Speaker 1: that are good, they don't necessarily scare you all the time,

479
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Speaker 1: not as much as the running backs. I think stopping

480
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 1: the runs way more important. Yeah, you made that point

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Speaker 1: to me the other day, and I was I had

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Speaker 1: to take a second and think about it, because you do.

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Speaker 1: You immediately think the top two quarterbacks in the league

484
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Speaker 1: arguably that you got, you know, during this season, and

485
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Speaker 1: you don't think about all the rest, and you're like, yeah,

486
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of quarterbacks that are pretty good.

487
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of quarterbacks that you even think

488
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Speaker 1: are sending but don't face it at the top eight quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And I say eight because even though ten is what

490
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Speaker 1: people like to say, I think eight is if you

491
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Speaker 1: ask people the top eight quarterbacks in the league, I

492
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: think you wouldn't get a lot of different answers. I

493
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Speaker 1: think after eight is where it starts to get a

494
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Speaker 1: little different. And I don't they don't. They don't face

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Speaker 1: any other top eight except for Brady and Mahomes, which

496
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Speaker 1: is big, and they have a top eight, which so

497
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Speaker 1: in all but two games you probably give the Cowboy quarterback.

498
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Speaker 1: They face the top eight, And Dak is that you're saying,

499
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Speaker 1: You're saying, yeah, yeah, so in fifteen of the seventeen

500
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Speaker 1: there's you'll feel pretty confident that the Cowboys have the

501
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Speaker 1: better quarterback. Yeah, da, Dave, that's pretty impressive. Dave and

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Speaker 1: I were talking about that. You know, I think when

503
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Speaker 1: you're ranking quarterbacks, I think there's four at the top

504
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Speaker 1: because because we judge them by winning super Bowls, and

505
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Speaker 1: four of them have won and they're playing at a

506
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Speaker 1: high level. I don't judge Roethlisberger anymore like that. He's

507
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Speaker 1: on the down slope, But you know, after after you know,

508
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Speaker 1: Rogers Wilson Mahome and Brady and not in that order,

509
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Speaker 1: but those four, and then you got another four guys

510
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Speaker 1: that are just right there that are just if they

511
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: have a big year that they jump into it. They

512
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Speaker 1: get a little help from the teams. Yeah, Roger, I

513
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: mean Dakh, Dak Jackson, Alan, Mark Jackson, Allen we don't

514
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Speaker 1: know even what to do with, but yeah, but he

515
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: should be in that list if he's playing, he's playing.

516
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Speaker 1: And then and then it's then and then you got

517
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Speaker 1: veteran guys Matt Ryan, which the Cowboys do face. Yeah,

518
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: and then you got those ascending guys like you don't

519
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen with the guy, you know, with

520
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Speaker 1: guys like Baker, with guys like Kyler Murray, with guys

521
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Speaker 1: like you know, there's a lot those guys that are

522
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: kind of right there on that cusp of of taking

523
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Speaker 1: that next step. We'll see if they do it this year.

524
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Speaker 1: But the thing about Kyler Murray, and then I think

525
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Speaker 1: on our list when we ranked top ten quarterbacks on

526
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Speaker 1: the schedule, you know they put we put Dak third

527
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Speaker 1: because he's you know, obviously in the game. I think

528
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Speaker 1: Murray was fourth. I have to go back and look

529
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Speaker 1: justin Herbert might have. Herbert is another guy that could

530
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Speaker 1: have a really great year. Yeah. But but the thing

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Speaker 1: about Murray is that, I mean he dominated the Cowboys

532
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Speaker 1: in that game because they couldn't stop him and get

533
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Speaker 1: him on the ground. We had Murray for well, I

534
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Speaker 1: don't who else. I don't mean, yeah, I mean we're

535
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: getting off the Rams, right, But is Stafford on the

536
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Speaker 1: schedule this year? The Rams aren't on the schedule this year, cousins,

537
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be. I would take I would take Murray

538
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Speaker 1: over both of those guys. Williams over there, william or

539
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Speaker 1: rank them. Oh busy, Now let's go into the next

540
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Speaker 1: The next area on defense that I identified sacks. Uh

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Speaker 1: Three of the top five in the NFL had ten

542
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: wins or more. Dallas was tied for twentieth last year.

543
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: How important of sacks for a defense to be successful. Yeah,

544
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Speaker 1: And the reason for the pause is like we've gone

545
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, this is the argument we've used to defend

546
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: Tank for two years. Is like, there's way more to

547
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: it than whether or not you're getting him on the ground.

548
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: Pressures are important, moving him off his spot, forcing bad throws.

549
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 1: So you know, the pure number of sacks maybe doesn't

550
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Speaker 1: define how good you are if you're getting there, but

551
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: if you're top five six in the league in sackstra

552
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: defense is probably pretty good. I mean, like, I don't

553
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: I guess maybe I'm talking out on both sides of

554
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: my mouth there, Like I think you can be good

555
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: without him, but it's nice to have him. I guess, Well, yeah,

556
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: it's the difference of getting into the red zone and

557
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: getting a field goal or getting a touchdown. I mean,

558
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: it's nice to be moving the ball. It's nice to

559
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: be able to get pressure and do that, but at

560
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: some point you need to actually get the guy on

561
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: the ground. That gets them off the field. And a

562
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: lot of times it causes a fumble as well, it

563
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: pushes it back even more. Don't even it's fourth down.

564
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: You know it's fourth and probably fourteen fifteen field position

565
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: as well. You know it could be third and five

566
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: and you and you rush to the quarterback, he throws

567
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: it away, and it's fourth and five. You gets still

568
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: worry about a fake putt and all that. You drop

569
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: him for an eight yard loss and maybe he's hurt,

570
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: maybe he fumbled. That pushes them back even more. I mean,

571
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's a. It's a big difference in in

572
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: the play and it's just it's just a good play

573
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: versus a great play. And I think that's what makes it.

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Speaker 1: You have an elite team. You got to get to

575
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Speaker 1: the quarterback? How many things? How many? How many they

576
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: have last year? Did you look that up? I did,

577
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: but I don't have it all. I'm sorry, Yeah, silly. Mean,

578
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: here's another question though, but how how how much does

579
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Speaker 1: Randy Gregory improve the pass rush Overalled and Smith? And

580
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: in what ways? I saw you put that on there

581
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: when you should send us the rundown? And like, can

582
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: we answer that? Can we truly answer that? Like I

583
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: love Randy and I'm so excited for what isn't But

584
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: he said it yesterday. He was like a lot of

585
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: people are talking about how awesome I am, and I

586
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: don't feel like I've proved a whole lot. And as

587
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: much as I'm rooting for him, he's kind of right.

588
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he's had he's had like one season that yeah,

589
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: not even his rookie year because he twisted his ankle

590
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: his rookie year. Like he's had one season where he

591
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: played more than twelve games, I think, and like it

592
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: was a solid season. He had five or six sacks,

593
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Speaker 1: and I think he's a better run defender than he

594
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: gets credit for. And to be you know, Alden Smith

595
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: was kind of similar last year, coming off of a

596
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: five year absence from playing pro football. Um, so I don't.

597
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't know that he I don't know how big

598
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Speaker 1: of an improvement he is. Right, was there an appreciable

599
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Speaker 1: difference between because in the first half of the season,

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Speaker 1: Alden Smith was probably getting more opportunities and Randy started stared.

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Speaker 1: So did you see an appreciable difference between the first

602
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Speaker 1: half with Alden and the second half with Randy? No,

603
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: not really, But I mean I don't think Alden Smith

604
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Speaker 1: really had that great of a season. I don't I

605
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: think he had. Think early he played, he had three

606
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: sacks in the Seattle game. One of them he touched

607
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: Wilson when he fell, and that's a sack. Yeah, counts.

608
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: I mean, this team needs it. But I don't think,

609
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't like just you knowd where you know,

610
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: just taking over a game. I finished with five and

611
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: a half I think, right, so yeah, and and four

612
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: very early. Yeah, he wore down a little bit and

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00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: and Gregory took some of his snaps. I think his

614
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: story was, you know, that's what we remembered, was like, Wow,

615
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: what just being here is awesome, But it wasn't the

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Speaker 1: impact that Robert Quinn made on the other side from

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Speaker 1: two years ago. And that's something that was not replaced

618
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Speaker 1: last year, and that's that's where they need to get to.

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Speaker 1: I'll take Randy's potential, no doubt. I'll take it that

620
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Speaker 1: ten times out of ten, but I'm not ready to say,

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Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, he's still

622
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Speaker 1: got to prove it. All right, We're gonna take our

623
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Speaker 1: final break. When we come back, We're gonna talk about

624
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Speaker 1: points aloud. We're gonna talk about takeaways. Takeaways being a

625
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Speaker 1: big topic of conversation for this coaching staff and an

626
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: emphasis for them. We'll talk about when they come right back.

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Speaker 1: So so yeah, well let's get back to it. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about defense. The next category I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about is points allowed. In my opinion, this is the

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Speaker 1: most important and in my opinion, it should be what

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Speaker 1: we what what should be used in at the You know,

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Speaker 1: when you talk about total defense, when you talk about

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Speaker 1: the best defense in the league right now, they use

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Speaker 1: actual yards. I think points allowed is a better indicator,

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Speaker 1: just because at the end of the day, that's kind

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Speaker 1: of the point of it. You give up less points,

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Speaker 1: you win the game. But either way, um, last year,

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Speaker 1: five of the top six had ten or more wins

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Speaker 1: in points allowed. Eighteen to twenty one points per game

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Speaker 1: is what those teams were giving up Dallas twenty eighth

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Speaker 1: giving up twenty nine point six, almost thirty points per game.

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Speaker 1: What was the biggest reason for the Cowboys giving up

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Speaker 1: so many points last year? They sucked some piade analysis?

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Speaker 1: Did you watch did you watch the games? Did you

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Speaker 1: see did you see the receipt? I just I'll know,

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Speaker 1: like the Arizona game, I mean well, I could think

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Speaker 1: of eighteen different moments, like the obviously the Cleveland game,

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Speaker 1: but like Arizona, Christian Kirk just eighteen yards behind the

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Speaker 1: nearest dB. I think Tyler Murray only completed nine passes

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Speaker 1: in that game, but he threw for like two eighty

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Speaker 1: and two touchdowns or something stupid like that. That's the

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Speaker 1: number of like untouched touchdowns that happened last year. Was pathetic.

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Speaker 1: So do you think that was the biggest problem with

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Speaker 1: this defense? That's the question. That was the biggest problem. Okay,

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Speaker 1: any sorry, it was real quick. Any Like any success

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Speaker 1: that this defense had during the rod era was because

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Speaker 1: they didn't do that. They didn't. I mean, obviously, over

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Speaker 1: the course of eight years they did, but by and large,

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Speaker 1: they didn't allow the forty fifty sixty yard bust they

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Speaker 1: made you drive down the field and you know death,

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Speaker 1: a fuel goal and you know, twenty eighteen twenty it worked,

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Speaker 1: and it worked three out of the eight years that

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Speaker 1: Rod was here, and last year, no, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I mean I've never seen so many like not just touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: but bust touchdowns, just like just giving three points to

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Speaker 1: the defense. Didn't stop the run, couldn't stop the big play. Like,

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Speaker 1: they didn't really stop much of any of it. It's

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Speaker 1: not that hard to analyze why they were bad. That's

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Speaker 1: what I like. That's why they sucked is good analysis

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Speaker 1: because it was unlike anything I've ever seen. I mean, Nick,

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Speaker 1: it's the same. They couldn't give up big plays. Seattle

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00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: games the one for me, because they couldn't stop them.

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Speaker 1: And even when though Dak got them back in that

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Speaker 1: game and then you know they fought back into it,

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Speaker 1: they were never gonna stop Russell Wilson. Ever, fourth down,

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Speaker 1: they have a chance to get off the field and

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Speaker 1: they can't do it. You know it where it's Lockett,

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Speaker 1: whether it was Medcal, whether it was Will said himself.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was a game I just was like,

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Speaker 1: you can be in this. You feel like you're in it,

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Speaker 1: but you're really not, and you're not gonna win it

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Speaker 1: because you can't you can't get off the field and

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Speaker 1: you certainly can't give up the big plays. I mean

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Speaker 1: the safety position. That's why you that's why everybody other

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Speaker 1: than George Teague and Darren Woodson have been signed here

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Speaker 1: this offseason, because because they gotta fix that. You know,

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Speaker 1: Xavier Woods was was a He wasn't a good football

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Speaker 1: player last year at all, and um, you know, sixth

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Speaker 1: round pick, and let's see if he develops into something.

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Speaker 1: And I think he had a good rookie year, but

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Speaker 1: I think it got worse and worse for him. I

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Speaker 1: saw bad angles. I saw it. Just he wasn't the

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Speaker 1: only guy. He wasn't only digs. We love the arrow

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Speaker 1: going up for him, and he struggle up a lot

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Speaker 1: and just you throw you throw Kelvin Joseph out there,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna struggle too. You know, that's what rookies are

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Speaker 1: they do. I mean, it's gonna be tough, but you

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Speaker 1: hope you kind of surround him with some other players.

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Speaker 1: I think Anthony Brown is having a pretty solid camp.

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Speaker 1: You know, he makes makes some good plays. Here. He's

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Speaker 1: just a solid player. He's not the guy that people

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Speaker 1: want to be the starter here, you know, and all

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Speaker 1: that they want somebody that's more flashy. But he's solid.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be hard to take out of the starting

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Speaker 1: lineup when you consider that and then the versatility to

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Speaker 1: do two different jobs. Yeah, I expect him to start,

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Speaker 1: at least at the outset of the season. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's move on to takeaways. Dallas is tied for seventh,

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Speaker 1: something I thought was kind of interesting. I had didn't

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Speaker 1: even remember that with twenty three takeaways. Most of that

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Speaker 1: came in the second half of the season. There were

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Speaker 1: five games where they had two or more takeaways last year,

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Speaker 1: and they won four of the five takeaways. Very important

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Speaker 1: stat I think from the standpoint of overall winning. My

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Speaker 1: question for you is, why are they so much better

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Speaker 1: in the second half? Do you think than the first half?

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00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks that they faced were not very good. I think

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Speaker 1: that's a big, big part of it. I don't think

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Speaker 1: any of those quarterbacks and I'd love to see those

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Speaker 1: four of those five games, but I'm gonna guess. Nick Mullin,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, Daniel Jones, Brandon Allen, Brandon Allen and then

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Speaker 1: the big one, which I love to say because it's

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. They had four on him, right yeah, yeah

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Speaker 1: they they they Alex Smith. They lost the game, right yeah,

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Speaker 1: they still got four. Yeah that was however many they had. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: but Carson Wentz was awful last year. He was one

781
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Speaker 1: of the worst quarterbacks in the league. So right now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: which so, I mean he you know, you don't think

783
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Speaker 1: of him in the same vein as a Brandon Allen

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Speaker 1: or a Nick Mullins because of where he was drafted.

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Speaker 1: But he was terrible and they got a lot of

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Speaker 1: takeaways from meaning Lamar Jackson played in that in down

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Speaker 1: the Stretch, I think he threw a pick to him

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Speaker 1: as well. And now he asked Anthony to Anthony Brown, yea, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he ran, He ran all over the place. Well sure,

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Speaker 1: but but yeah, I mean I thought at the second

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Speaker 1: half of the season, I thought it was a quarterback

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Speaker 1: play was part of it. I mean, there were more

793
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Speaker 1: aggressive and down Dondron Wilson was really coming into his

794
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Speaker 1: own more. He was a part of those. Uh so

795
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: the Law was playing well too. You know, let's let's

796
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Speaker 1: don't just put it all in the quarterback deep Law

797
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: I thought was playing very well down the stretch, and

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Speaker 1: that he helped some of those turnovers that he forced

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Speaker 1: to fumble against forty nine ers, I believe, and so

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I think it was just a combination of

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00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: playing teams that weren't as good, playing quarterbacks that really

802
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: weren't that good, and then also kind of getting after

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Speaker 1: their ass a little bit more. It was Darian Thompson

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Speaker 1: that picked off Jackson. I'm sorry, I remember he's not

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Speaker 1: as their So if you guys are gonna pick one

806
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: of these areas where you feel certain the Cowboys will

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00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: be better, that's either run defense, sacks, points allout or takeaways.

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Speaker 1: Which is it run defense? Just and I'm sorry if

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00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: that's not bold, but it's just that it's the easiest.

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Speaker 1: It's the easiest thing to fix. It's a one hundred

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Speaker 1: and sixty yards a game. Yeah, it's I mean, and

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00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: they've done They've done a lot, They've done a lot.

813
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: They drafted Parsons, they drafted Osa and Gholston. I know

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Speaker 1: he's not practicing whatever. Um you know, they all most

815
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Speaker 1: of their primary free agency act positions were defensive tackles. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, Gallimore is one of the big exciting names

817
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: at this camp and then you know you've got a

818
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Speaker 1: great run defender and tank. Yeah, I think they'll be.

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Speaker 1: I think I think they'll be significantly better. And again

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying top ten, but like you know, I

821
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Speaker 1: think they could crack crack the top twenty. Maybe maybe

822
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: that's too ambitious, but I think they can. I think

823
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Speaker 1: they'll be better in sacks. I think they will be

824
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Speaker 1: top ten in the league in sacks. I think that's

825
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Speaker 1: what Dan Quinn prides himself on. I think with the

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Speaker 1: way Mark Michael Parsons is going to be blitzing, the

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Speaker 1: way Jalen Smith is going to be blitzing more, um,

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Speaker 1: I just think there's gonna be more in an attack

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Speaker 1: to kind of get to the quarterback, even more than

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Speaker 1: we've seen. I think you'll see more sacks. That's probably

831
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Speaker 1: something we haven't mentioned often enough, is that they are

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Speaker 1: blitzing pretty frequently. But I'm obviously Micah and Jalen are

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Speaker 1: doing it. But like Darian Thompson and Anthony Brown and

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Speaker 1: you know, these these dvs are taking turns. I think

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Speaker 1: mcquamu and Jayron Curse as well, they're you know, they're

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Speaker 1: coming out of the slot. And that's why defense can

837
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: look better in practice, because what the things you would

838
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Speaker 1: do when people are blitzing blitzing, you can you can

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Speaker 1: kind of change the play, gash them, do pop them

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Speaker 1: with a draw. Well, you run a draw here to

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Speaker 1: Zeke or Pollard and they get through the line and

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Speaker 1: they put their hand on their shoulder and they're like,

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Speaker 1: as dackle, that's not bringing Zeke down and it's not

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Speaker 1: even bringing Pollard down, you know, and they can get

845
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Speaker 1: fifteen twenty yards. It's like, well, don't blitz, don't do

846
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: that crap again. But in a practice like this, they

847
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: kind of blow the whistle, they stop it, you know,

848
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: and so you can't team. I mean, defenses don't really

849
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: get punished for blitzing as much in a practice like this,

850
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: where you can really hurt them in a game. So

851
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: that's why I think sometimes it's a little too early

852
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: to say defense one or you know, and you can

853
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: make the same case for the offense too, that the

854
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: offense sits there for eight seconds and throws and stuff

855
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: like that. So it's a great evaluation. It's great to

856
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: be out here, but sometimes there's holes in the evaluation,

857
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: all right, let's let's move on. I wanted real quick

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Speaker 1: before we end the show. I have a few a

859
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: few players I want to throw out in our I

860
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: can't I get around segment basically the object tears. I'm

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00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: gonna throw out a name. You guys are gonna talk

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00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: about that player a little bit, give people insight on

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00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: what you've seen from them, what your thoughts on on

864
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: them throughout this first portion of training camp. Let's do first.

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00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: Let's move to Israel Mukwamu, who is a rookie rookie

866
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: safety six round draft pick out of South Carolina. Dave

867
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: Go I like him. I think the odds are really

868
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: stacked against him. I think just because of where he

869
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: was drafted and how many dvs are in this secondary.

870
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: But I mean when him and Nashan right are standing

871
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: next to each other, I mean, it's like freaking California

872
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: redwood forest or something. They're so tall and so long.

873
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: But he's he's he seems like he's got a knack

874
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: for being where the ball is. Like he's he's had

875
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: a couple of picks in practice, He's jumped a couple

876
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: of routes, and when he hasn't he's at least gotten

877
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: his hands on it. I'm positive he's you know, he's

878
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: a rookie. I'm sure he's made mistakes. He's not perfect,

879
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: but he's disruptive and versatile because he played corner in

880
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: college and I haven't seen him play outside at camp,

881
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: but they've brought him down into the slot. They've blitzed

882
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: him from there. But they've played him in coverage there

883
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: as well, So he's been fun to watch. Like I said,

884
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, I don't feel good about his chances of

885
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: being on the team, just not because of anything against him,

886
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: but just there's so many like veteran bodies in front

887
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: of him. But I think he's looked good. Yeah, I

888
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: think a year from now we're going to talk about

889
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: mcquamu is playing two games in twenty twenty one and

890
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: fifteen inactives on the team, inactive most of the time.

891
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: You think they can get him, they'll have him on

892
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: practice squads, or you think he's gonna make the active

893
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: rossmans the team, he's inactive. It can't get him to

894
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: the games, That's what I think. Although, which and this

895
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: is cheating, and you know the fifty three is what matters,

896
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: but the rules are going to be similar. I think

897
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: like they haven't moved out, they haven't ironed it all

898
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: out in terms of, like, can you move guys off

899
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: the practice squad the day of the game. I don't know,

900
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: but the act I was gonna be fifteen players. We

901
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: should know by now that the vast majority of their

902
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: cuts are going to clear waivers. Almost nobody ever gets claimed.

903
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: So even if he gets cut, I think he's got

904
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: a great, great opportunity to be here. I mean, he

905
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: will be here if he even if he gets cut,

906
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: he'll be here as long as he doesn't get claimed

907
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: by somebody else. I definitely think that. All right, let's

908
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: get one more player here. Justin Hamilton's fourth round I'm sorry,

909
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: fourth year defensive tackle. He was a twenty twenty free

910
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: agent that the Cowboys signed go Nick not being impressive

911
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: to me. Can't remember a lot of plays other than

912
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: getting thrown by Isaac oller Cohn. Uh and that's not

913
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: a great thing. So um, he's still learning how to

914
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: play football, so he kind of threw them around the

915
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: other day. I was in a drill surprised to see that.

916
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Bohana is better. I think when

917
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: you look at Watkins, Urban, Ohizula. I think Justin Hill

918
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: will come back. I think when you talk about training

919
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: camp bodies, that's what Justin him Mailton is. He's been

920
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: around for a long time. He understands the business a

921
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: little bit. He's a big guy. But I don't think

922
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Speaker 1: his chances of making the team were very high at all.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you, except for the fact that

924
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator shouted him out by name the other day,

925
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: and that maybe that's an element of what they see

926
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: in the meetings is a lot different because I mean,

927
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: he's he's a big he's a big fatty. His job

928
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: is to clog things up and make life difficult for

929
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: everybody else. So that doesn't translate to what we see.

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00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking trash on you because I haven't

931
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: seen him doing anything that either. Dan Quinn was like

932
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, I knew that Urban and Watkins,

933
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: I knew what they could do. But you know, you

934
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: get out here and you see Hamilton's like stuffing things

935
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: up and blocking the run. So if the defensive coordinator

936
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Speaker 1: brings you up without being prompted at a press conference,

937
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: that's definitely a good thing. So and The other thing

938
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: to note is yesterday I noticed he was out there

939
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: running with the ones. Again. That happens right right now.

940
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: You can't really put anything on who's running where. I

941
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: do think though, it is worth noting that he's getting opportunities.

942
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: That's the point. He is getting opportunities, and we'll see

943
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 1: where they all lands. He has a game that does

944
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: not translate to the way that we watch practice. Like

945
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: if we could sit down in their meeting rooms and

946
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: watch the you know, the zoom in on the lines

947
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: and see how he's doing I'm watching the film would matter.

948
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: It might be a different story, but it just doesn't

949
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: translate to watching. One thing about defensive tackle. When you

950
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,479
Speaker 1: look at other positions and you think preseason games, who's

951
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: gonna get in there? What are the starters gonna play?

952
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: Defensive tackles one of those where the starters, even if

953
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: it's a Gallimore, even if it's a Diggy Zooa, those

954
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: are players that are gonna you want to play. They

955
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: need to play against Pitts experience and so um. Other

956
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: other starters are going to be kind of you know,

957
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: they're gonna be in and out, you know. And and

958
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: if at all, if they're even in. But I think

959
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: tackles one where you know, Justin Hamilton may not get

960
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: as many snaps as he would in another situation, because

961
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: you want to see young players get on the field

962
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: more than you would in other positions. All right, we

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Speaker 1: appreciate you guys. Jonas will be back on Tuesday and

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Speaker 1: we'll guess I get you guys ready for the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame game that will be happening this Thursday now

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Speaker 1: Cowboys and this Thursday night Cowboys versus Steelers untill they're

967
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,279
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Speaker 1: has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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