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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: with I R Radio. Welcome to an all new episode

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Speaker 1: of the Almost Famous Podcast. First off, big thanks to

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Speaker 1: our friends at best Egg for sponsoring this special financial episode.

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Speaker 1: One of the biggest financial pain points I see people

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Speaker 1: facing today is the high interest debt. It's a trap

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Speaker 1: that makes it nearly impossible to escape. Most of us

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Speaker 1: have experienced some sort of debt. Uh if it's loans,

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Speaker 1: a car payment. Uh, sometimes it's even a house payment.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of haunting us and sitting over us. I

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Speaker 1: have a buddy, uh, one of my best friends in

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Speaker 1: the world, who has been struggling with debt ever since college.

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Speaker 1: And it was credit card debt. It was compounding on

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Speaker 1: itself every month. He could not get in front of it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he couldn't sleep, he was anxious. I was anxious for him.

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Speaker 1: We kind of wrote that together. Debt is a really,

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Speaker 1: really unfortunate thing that happens in life, sometimes due to

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Speaker 1: our own choices, a lot of times just due to

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Speaker 1: what life brings about. Inflation right now is making debt

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Speaker 1: even worse. Uh. And as I said before, it can

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Speaker 1: cause physical issues like loss of sleep, uh stress. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You can always be thinking about how you're gonna make

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Speaker 1: your next payments. Uh. It's impossible to save also while

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Speaker 1: over and over month over month, uh, and it kind

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Speaker 1: of sits like a cloud over the top of you.

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Speaker 1: When you're dealing with high interest debt, it's important to

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Speaker 1: best egg dot com slash almost famous now let me

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Speaker 1: introduce my friend somebody that knows a ton about finance

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Speaker 1: and life in general, Jason Tardik. So good to be here, Ben,

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Speaker 1: and it's good to be back. It's good to see you, man. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is a very special episode. Thank you too, best Egg.

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Speaker 1: We've asked you to join us today, Jason, UH to

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Speaker 1: talk a lot about personal finance, but also based on

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Speaker 1: your experience and interviews you've done, uh kind of some

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Speaker 1: of the uh financial situations and how people make money

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Speaker 1: from the show. Are you cool with that? Um? I

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Speaker 1: love it. Ben. One thing when you and I always

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Speaker 1: get together, we end up talking about money or business.

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Speaker 1: So this is just gonna be a nice little rerun.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay, Hey, Jason,

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Speaker 1: For anybody out there wondering maybe they didn't listen to

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Speaker 1: uh the almost famous episode that you co hosted with me,

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Speaker 1: why uh, why did we here feel like you were

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Speaker 1: What projects have you done that have kind of set

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Speaker 1: you up for this? Just run through the list of

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Speaker 1: you don't mind for sure? Yeah, I think one of

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Speaker 1: the big things if you're talking finance or careers, and

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Speaker 1: about me. I have my undergrad and business administration. I

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Speaker 1: And then I was a banker for ten years, so

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Speaker 1: I worked to see if pos of companies that earned

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Speaker 1: over a hundred million dollars and I lent money to them.

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Speaker 1: And since then, I've been able to build a Restart

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Speaker 1: consulting platform where we do education for individuals on personal finance,

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Speaker 1: Rewire and Reset your career. And I also do UM

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Speaker 1: lending for real estate projects, and I do small business

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Speaker 1: which about five at this point. UM. I've kind of

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Speaker 1: that's what's kind of led me to doing what I'm

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Speaker 1: doing now. You know, it's I've shared this story on

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Speaker 1: air before, but we get a lot of people, and

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Speaker 1: this is in a younger, more judgmental, more cynical season

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Speaker 1: where we were, but you were working out and I

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Speaker 1: stepped into workout. You were pumping weight and I was stretching,

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Speaker 1: Bachelor season, and I remember just like you know, I

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Speaker 1: But a lot of people here blow smoke, you know

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Speaker 1: when they're on national television, but what they do for

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Speaker 1: because you have a you're from the Bachelor, and so

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Speaker 1: I'll be like, I just had Jason Oppenheim from Selling

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Speaker 1: like as guy from The Batcheler, he's got this business podcast.

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Speaker 1: So he gets on and I haven't even told this yet,

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Speaker 1: but he goes how much this is how he starts

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Speaker 1: five minutes is what we have booked. I can't do that.

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Speaker 1: I have ten minutes. So well, I can't do an

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Speaker 1: so important, especially when you got the Batchelor title or

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Speaker 1: like the Bachelor franchise stigma next your name. It works

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Speaker 1: you're on uphill battle. Jim Kramer is on my TV

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, they we Uh it's a great segue then, uh, Jason,

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Speaker 1: you spent a lot of your life now talking about finance,

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Speaker 1: And so I think talk about money share what you make,

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Speaker 1: in Memphis when we were together, I was going through

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Speaker 1: this is where we're struggling. Um is that common? Like

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Speaker 1: for talking about your losses, and you're right. I mean

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Speaker 1: for the first time ever, and I'm like, I'll just

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Speaker 1: take anything, Just give me the opportunity. I guess. Um,

430
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Speaker 1: nobody wanted to talk to me about how much money

431
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: they made until post filming, and then I kind of

432
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 1: found out are people Let's just start with a very

433
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 1: general question, Um, are people making money coming on this show,

434
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Speaker 1: like is this is this a career like path for them? Yeah?

435
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean it certainly can be, right, And I think

436
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: the reason people would say then why, And it's because

437
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 1: after the show, we now live in this world where, um,

438
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: on social media, your individual page, you're you're literally a

439
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 1: human billboard, right, and so you're gaining the demographic from

440
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: the show that is ideal to marketing agencies in brands

441
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: that are anything that are cosumer to direct business to

442
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: direct consumer. Right, So think about consumer brands, like all

443
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: the things right, like, I'm drinking Bubbly Sparkling water, my

444
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: iPhone that's right here, my oral b toothbrush, my bud

445
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: light that I drink, or ranch water, whatever it may be. Uh,

446
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: these are all direct to consumer brands, and you're now

447
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Speaker 1: stepping into a space where you have access to the

448
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Speaker 1: target market of direct to consumer brands and they're very

449
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Speaker 1: engaged in what you're doing. And it's just if you

450
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: think I was at c m AS recently and I'm

451
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Speaker 1: looking at the stadium and I'm thinking about there's about

452
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Speaker 1: seventy people in the stadium, and my eyes just catching

453
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Speaker 1: all the billboards and things that are out there, and

454
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Speaker 1: this seventy people I'm looking. I'm like, oh my god,

455
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: this is so many people. Then I could go to

456
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Speaker 1: one of Ben Higgins videos on what of his reels

457
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Speaker 1: or something on Instagram and there's a million humans, one

458
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: million humans checking this stuff out plus and so it

459
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Speaker 1: creates an opportunity to monetize at a level that people

460
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Speaker 1: just really don't end diticipate. So if we can throw

461
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Speaker 1: some numbers around, uh, just based on what you've learned,

462
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a two part question. If you don't

463
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Speaker 1: mind the main question is how much money are typically

464
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Speaker 1: people making uh from these ads and post show And

465
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Speaker 1: then also the second part of this is or have

466
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Speaker 1: people made money uh like some of the earlier seasons

467
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Speaker 1: made more money? Or are people making more money now? Um?

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Speaker 1: Do you have any of this information? Well, the information

469
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Speaker 1: I do have is that, like if you look at

470
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Speaker 1: the market cap and the market size of influencer marketing,

471
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Speaker 1: it's grown by the billions you know over here, I

472
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: mean it's it's exponentially grown, so that it is absolutely

473
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Speaker 1: at the highest level it's ever been. Right. Now, what's

474
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Speaker 1: interesting is is COVID actually propelled the market because while

475
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Speaker 1: no one was driving anymore, listening to the radio, listening

476
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: to podcasts as much walking or going past the billboard,

477
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Speaker 1: the marketing groups that weren't like leaders to this space

478
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: had no option but to deploy capital towards our phones.

479
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Speaker 1: And so now the market is bigger than it's ever been.

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Speaker 1: So I think what you're seeing is a whole lot

481
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Speaker 1: more volume now, a whole lot more volume and larger

482
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Speaker 1: dollars with larger opportunities. But with more volume and opportunities

483
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: comes more competition. And as a result of competition, I

484
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: think what you're seeing is probably maybe a little bit

485
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: less opportunity for those who haven't like built the audiences

486
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Speaker 1: that are appealing to the brands. And if you look

487
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: at what's appealing to a brand, it's the following count,

488
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: it's the brand of the individual, it's the engagement of

489
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Speaker 1: their audience, it's the community they've built, it's the quality

490
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Speaker 1: of content they've put out, the consistency and cadence of

491
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Speaker 1: what they're putting out, all those things that really factor

492
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Speaker 1: in price points and rates. And so people always wonder

493
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Speaker 1: if you could throw out like a range of what

494
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Speaker 1: an individual could make. Let's say somebody that's a very

495
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Speaker 1: successful contestant from the show. We're gonna through three categories,

496
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: contestants villains from the show that have a large following

497
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Speaker 1: in the leads. Maybe with most leads I think maybe,

498
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Speaker 1: except as of recent have more than five thousand followers.

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Speaker 1: We'll do a little baseline here, So some of my

500
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Speaker 1: in like, I mean, here's obviously speculation, right, but I'm

501
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: gonna do a little speculation. I think in general, females

502
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: in this space that are from the Bachelor franchise will

503
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Speaker 1: do better than a male. If you take the same

504
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: following same engagement, your your female will monetize better. Why

505
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: because it's it's more relatable to the audience, which is

506
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Speaker 1: pretty much I would say there's probably not anyone in

507
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Speaker 1: the bat I would be willing to bet this that

508
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Speaker 1: there's no one that's come off the Bachelor's franchise with

509
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Speaker 1: at least ten thousand followers that doesn't have at least

510
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say eighty five percent demographic of females eighteen

511
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Speaker 1: to forty four, that's my speculation. As a result of that,

512
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: it creates a lot more relatability, higher engagement, easier to sell,

513
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: right Like if so, that is a big that's a

514
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: big thing to note if you're taking a female lead

515
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: in today's world, with the opportunity that's out there. Um,

516
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Speaker 1: you know, assuming that the show runs the way it's running,

517
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, within a year or two there they should

518
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Speaker 1: absolutely be monetizing at the seven figure level. I would

519
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: think so after about two years, I would think they

520
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: have grossed um for sure, two years post show as

521
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: a lead female at least in the seven figure space

522
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: if they are hungry to do just that. And that

523
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: is why everyone leaves their job, right, People are wanting

524
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: to know we've talked about in the last episode. Yes,

525
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: there's different motivations, but when there's that kind of money

526
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: being thrown at you, it's tough not to take a

527
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: detour into that space. So I think that I think

528
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: a villain something to know, talk to a lot of

529
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: CEOs of like big big agencies. One thing that's interesting

530
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: in the space of influencing, if you are a G

531
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: rated influencer, your total gross income will be so much

532
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: higher than an R rated influencer. So why do we

533
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: look at Forbes List and people are like, we don't

534
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: but Forbes List and like, look at the fact that

535
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: like babies and kids are some of the highest paid

536
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: influencers out there. It's because they're g rated content. And

537
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: so the big brands with the big dollars that could

538
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: put massive spend behind it have no liability with a

539
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: g rated influencer. So an R rated influencer, the people

540
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: that might be selling you know, dildos or things of

541
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: that nature, Uh, they are going to they can still

542
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: make a lot of money doing it. And there's nothing

543
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: wrong with selling a dildo. Uh, there's nothing wrong with

544
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: that space. Um, but they're gonna make less on an

545
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: actual rate perspective than someone who is in the g

546
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: YOU rated space. So can you be a villain and

547
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: have kind of like a negative connotation and sell into

548
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: that PG thirteen R rated brand? For sure, but you're

549
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: gonna make a lot less based on what the executives

550
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: of this space c then someone that's in that g

551
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: PG level, If that makes sense. Is there actually a

552
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: rating system like do brands have like Ben Higgins R rated,

553
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: Jason Tartik G rated? Like do they rank them? Or

554
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: is this just you know, you using words to kind

555
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: of describe how brands see you. So the second episode

556
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: of Trading I'm saying this because it's so true. The

557
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 1: second episode ever a Trading Secrets, I got the CEO

558
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: of an influencer agency. He said it was like the

559
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: biggest agency in the world. I didn't really fact check it,

560
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: but I asked him, literally, been the same exact question,

561
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: and he said that the big brands have algorithms and

562
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: and they have um they have software that you can

563
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: put in a profile and it will spit out what

564
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: their rating is. So he was telling me, like, what

565
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: because I swear a little bit like I swear a

566
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: decent amount. I just said you know, especially the podcast.

567
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: It's just I'm talking. He's like that can be picked

568
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: up in your content. Your content can be picked up

569
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: in your rating, which is wild. So you are good

570
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: with that PGG rated for I think I would give

571
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: Ben Agains a PG boring saw me too, that's it. Yeah,

572
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: it goes to bed at nine. He's got something wrong

573
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: with him. We just don't know what it is. Yeah,

574
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: I get it. I hear it all. Hey, I feel

575
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: like I'm listening to troll. Uh. Jason. Final question for

576
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: you about the Bachelor World, Um, how again? You know

577
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: you kind of mentioned earlier that there's a lot more

578
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: competition out there. We don't see the follower account as

579
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: high as it once was from the franchise. That's just truth,

580
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reasons, lack of viewership, lack of engagement,

581
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: more people to follow, who knows, we could blame on

582
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: all those things. Maybe it's maybe it's a mixture of

583
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: all three um people coming off the show today contestants.

584
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: Let's not go with leads. That's a whole different beast.

585
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: Uh is coming off the show and being an influencer

586
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: still a viable income stream. Do you think that they

587
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: can make this work. And then if so, how many

588
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: years can you stay an influencer before that income stream

589
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: goest gets so low? Because I'm imagining there's like a

590
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: depreciating accent there where you're really relevant. Then if you

591
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: don't continue to stay relevant, you're not as needed for

592
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: these brands. How long can these people still make it?

593
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: I think you can make so Like I have seen

594
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: so I have fifty I have investment into a talent

595
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: agency so I do get some exposure to this stuff.

596
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: And I have seen food influencers, lifestyle and influencers, unscripted

597
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: television influencers, comedians, I mean all the different genres. And

598
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: the biggest concern out there is longevity. How long will

599
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: it last? But if you are creating you know through

600
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: like you know your individuality and your authenticity, you're commute,

601
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: you're creating that community, you're creating that brand, and you're

602
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: putting good content out there, the deals won't stop. The

603
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: deals will not stop. Even if you're you know, relevancy,

604
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: especially with the Batchelor off the show, your followers may decrease,

605
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: if you're still building that community with you, those deals

606
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: and those opportunities won't won't go away because there's more

607
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: of them out there than anywhere. The big question then

608
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: becomes and this is more like on talent management sides,

609
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: like do you have the right people that are advocating

610
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: for you. Now, it's interesting with the show, as you

611
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: see a lot of the competitive shows people are coming

612
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: off with like massive followings. And I was just doing

613
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: a little consulting with some dancers on Dancing with the Stars.

614
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 1: It will be really interesting because this will be one

615
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: of the first shows that is taking a live network

616
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: national station to streaming, So it will be fascinating to see,

617
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: like what happens with the following there and with the

618
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise. I think one of the issues just in

619
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: general with these big followings is like your total volume

620
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: of viewership is decreasing a little bit, right, Like I

621
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: think it depends like the Bachelor always does well, Batcherette

622
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: does a little worse, Paradise can go. But if that

623
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: number of network viewers decreases, it will be interesting to

624
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: see how they spin into live shows on streaming and

625
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: if that will then give a huge bump up. But

626
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: you could have fifteen thousand followers and you could create

627
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: a life changing business if those fifteen thousand followers are

628
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: engaged not for today, not for tomorrow, but literally for

629
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 1: a lifetime. Yeah. I mean I would say even at

630
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: generous my coffee company, if we had fifteen thousand subscribers

631
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: that were subscribing to our coffee, let's say hundred subscribers,

632
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: that was that's that is a good business like that

633
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: are buying our coffee monthly, and we know it, we

634
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: can predict it, we can plan for the future around that.

635
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: Um So no, it's a great point. Hey, We're gonna

636
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: take one more break. When we come back. We have

637
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: just a few more questions for Jason relating with him personally.

638
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna end uh with a very dramatic question.

639
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: Um I'm not gonna tease it, but it's gonna be.

640
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: It's gonna put them on the spot. We'll be back

641
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: with almost famous podcast. All right again, thank you the

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Speaker 1: Best Egg for helping us put on this podcast. It's

643
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Speaker 1: been awesome to talk to Jason. Jason, just a few

644
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Speaker 1: more questions for you here. Um really, this one goes

645
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Speaker 1: back to the beginning. But have you always been good

646
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Speaker 1: with your money? If somebody's out there listening and they've

647
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Speaker 1: heard everything that you've said to day, and they've heard

648
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Speaker 1: about the influencer marketing, and they've heard about the idea

649
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Speaker 1: that if they have even followers on Instagram, and you know,

650
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Speaker 1: there is a level to where it is valuable to

651
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Speaker 1: have some followers on social media. Um and uh. And

652
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: they're listening to this and they're going, Hey, I think

653
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Speaker 1: I can do something with all of this. And thanks

654
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Speaker 1: to Jason for kind of putting that out. Has this

655
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Speaker 1: always come natural to you or had you did you

656
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: have to learn along the way. Yeah, I mean I

657
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: think it's so important for your audience to know. Ben,

658
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Speaker 1: for these for starters, you could have five hundred, you

659
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Speaker 1: could have a hundred followers. It takes literally one year

660
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Speaker 1: and one relationship that could change everything. And these days

661
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Speaker 1: on TikTok, I mean, it's crazy what people what's happening

662
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Speaker 1: to people overnight? I mean since the pandemic. The people

663
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Speaker 1: that I've talked to, their live his their lives are

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Speaker 1: night and day like, There's never been more of an

665
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Speaker 1: opportune time if you have an opinion or a thought

666
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: or an expertise to get it out there, because you

667
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Speaker 1: don't need a TV show anymore, you don't need a

668
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Speaker 1: platform to give you the launch. These platforms exist, and

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Speaker 1: so get it out there, take a shot at it.

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Speaker 1: You never know. One little quick thing the Points guy

671
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Speaker 1: had him on the podcast. Two years the guy was

672
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Speaker 1: working in HR at a bank seventy k started writing

673
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Speaker 1: about how people could utilize their credit card points. That's it.

674
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Speaker 1: Because he loved it. You just had a past about

675
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: created the blog two years later, sold it for eight figures.

676
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: He had no jump start, he had no show. Eight figures.

677
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Speaker 1: Twelve years later, he still runs the business. He's exited twice.

678
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Speaker 1: Life changing from credit card freaking points. Okay, now I'm

679
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: gonna get back to your question about being like on

680
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: the money side. Um, my grandfather was an oral surgeon,

681
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: and so he at a very young age, brought me

682
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: in and told me that he had an advisor and

683
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Speaker 1: an advisor. And this does not go for every advisor

684
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: out there, but his advisor always told him when to buy,

685
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: never told him when to sell. And he started to

686
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Speaker 1: question him a little bit and noticed that it was

687
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Speaker 1: a little um sketchy in his ways. And so he

688
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Speaker 1: took a massive hit with fees, but exited every single

689
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Speaker 1: dollar from that advisor, and he managed all his money himself.

690
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Speaker 1: And he taught himself how to do it. And so

691
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Speaker 1: he sat me down at sixteen at the time and

692
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Speaker 1: went through every single dollar that he had and where

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Speaker 1: it was, and where and how the families money all

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Speaker 1: these things. So it became very comfortable to me to

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Speaker 1: like talk of out these things. And so as an

696
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Speaker 1: early age, and I've I've always kind of taken the

697
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Speaker 1: mindset that, like, you need to be smart with your

698
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Speaker 1: money because it can create independence and opportunity unlike anything else.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna popcorn question around here. None of them are

700
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Speaker 1: going to really really relate with each other. Um, but

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Speaker 1: they're just questions I want to get to with you

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00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: before we closed out here. UM. For somebody listening right

703
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Speaker 1: now working in a career, Um, they love, but they

704
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Speaker 1: feel like they need to be compensated more. What tips

705
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: do you give somebody? Uh, to negotiate their salaries? The

706
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: easiest thing to do. There's a whole chapter about this

707
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: in the book, but only thirty people their entire LIFs

708
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Speaker 1: negotiate for themselves, which is scary in itself. But the

709
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: biggest thing you gotta do is you got to find

710
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Speaker 1: out what your value is. So if I say to

711
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Speaker 1: you right now, what should you be paid? And you

712
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Speaker 1: don't know the answer, you better go get the answer.

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Speaker 1: How I did it was I took all my analytics

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Speaker 1: for what I was doing in my job, put it

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Speaker 1: on a resume, went out to head hunters that were

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Speaker 1: looking for bankers, and I just said, go find me offer.

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Speaker 1: They found me an offer from a competitor. Uh. They

718
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Speaker 1: told me exactly how much it was gonna be. I

719
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Speaker 1: think it was, like I think at the time, the

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Speaker 1: offer was, if I remember correct, was like a hundred

721
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Speaker 1: and forty grand with bonus potential up to like I

722
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Speaker 1: think it was like of the base. And so I

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Speaker 1: took it into my It took this, by the way, guys,

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Speaker 1: it took me ten minutes, literally a ten minute conversation.

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Speaker 1: Here's this, give me a verbal offer. I go into

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Speaker 1: my boss's office and I said to him in a

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Speaker 1: very like, non threatening way, like I don't want to leave,

728
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Speaker 1: but I have to do my due diligence. Here you

729
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: can see yourself. I'm not making it up. This is

730
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Speaker 1: the email. This is the offer I was given. I'm

731
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Speaker 1: not even asking you to match it. I'm just asking

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Speaker 1: you to say, does it make sense for him to

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Speaker 1: be compensated more. How bad do we want him? Can

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Speaker 1: you do anything? And you don't need to make a decision. Now,

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Speaker 1: forty eight hours he came back and he gave me.

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Speaker 1: I think he ended up bumping my pay. It was

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Speaker 1: like to one fifteen or something. So no, he didn't

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Speaker 1: match the one thirty or one forty of whatever it was,

739
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Speaker 1: but it was like a round of pay increase and

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Speaker 1: that was a lot of That was a huge change

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Speaker 1: for me. That took twelve minutes. Go find out what

742
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: other people would pay you in competitive industries or competitive companies,

743
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: and use that information to negotiate for yourself. And if

744
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Speaker 1: my boss comes back and says to me, no raise,

745
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Speaker 1: you got nothing. I just got about five years of

746
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Speaker 1: information in attendinut conversation. So why am I stay here

747
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Speaker 1: another two years busting my chop, succeeding every expectation to

748
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Speaker 1: know that I'm never going to get the rays that

749
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: I need anyway, I gotta hit the door. So go

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Speaker 1: find out what your value is. It's a great point.

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00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 1: And to highlight something you said is in that non

752
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Speaker 1: threatening way, right, you don't want to be walking there,

753
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: say this and they say you're out. No, there's I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think most people in leadership at companies welcome this conversation.

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00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: I know I do with my employees. When somebody comes

756
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Speaker 1: to me and says, hey, I think I need to

757
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: be compensated more. Great, Let's open up the door to

758
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: have this question, this this conversation. Let's talk about why

759
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: you feel this way, what you're doing that feels that

760
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Speaker 1: makes you feel like you're far exceeding what you're getting

761
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: paid for, and let's see if we can work work

762
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Speaker 1: something out here. I welcome those conversations, because here's the

763
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: other point. Something very interesting I think that I've learned

764
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Speaker 1: is typically your boss cares about you. Hopefully you have

765
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Speaker 1: a good boss that cares about you, but they're not

766
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Speaker 1: thinking about you a percent of the time. And there

767
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: and and if they are thinking about you, it's oftentimes

768
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Speaker 1: about productivity and what needs to be done for the company,

769
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: not exactly if you're being compensated fairly until the end

770
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Speaker 1: of the year, where that's a conversation that everybody's having

771
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Speaker 1: on bonuses into the year, you know, salary increases, those

772
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Speaker 1: type of things, but throughout the year, it's I welcome

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Speaker 1: somebody coming and saying, hey, I need more totally, totally,

774
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Speaker 1: and I think you could get more like to your point,

775
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: if you have a good boss, your boss is gonna

776
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Speaker 1: do what's like or at least have some type of

777
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: insight that's gonna be who like your personal interests. I

778
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Speaker 1: just had an employee come to me. She got an

779
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Speaker 1: offer from a not a competitor, a company in tech,

780
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Speaker 1: and she's awesome. She was great ten out a ten employee.

781
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: Our financials just couldn't support that race she got. I said, there,

782
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Speaker 1: we're not a tech company. We haven't raised money the

783
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: way they've raised money. I can't pay that. But if

784
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: you want to go like, you gotta go. And maybe

785
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Speaker 1: one day I'll get to the company to the point

786
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: where we can pay that and I will come knock

787
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Speaker 1: it on your door. But for your best interest, if

788
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Speaker 1: this is something you're excited about, you gotta go take that.

789
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Speaker 1: And those are the things I think you should look for,

790
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Speaker 1: especially to your point, Ben, when you're interviewing, you know,

791
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Speaker 1: what's just as important as your pay and maybe more important,

792
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: is who is your leader and is that someone that

793
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: you aspire to be, because if it's not, you're in

794
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: the wrong spot. Yeah, yeah, great points. Okay, final question

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Speaker 1: for you, buddy. Uh again Uh. And here, I'm gonna

796
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: set some parameters here so it's not awkward for you,

797
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: Not that I would fall into this conversation at all,

798
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna make it easy from the beginning.

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Speaker 1: The answer here cannot be me, It cannot be your fiance,

800
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: and it cannot be yourself. Okay, So who do you

801
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: think from the show from The Bachelor and Bachelor at

802
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: World has been really smart about their career? Who do

803
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: you look at and go They've done well with what

804
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: they've been given. Um. Alright, so it can't be me, you,

805
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: it can't be Caitlin. Those are the parameters I'm gonna

806
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: go with. Um. Jillian Harris is one who's done unbelievable.

807
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: She's created in phenomenal community, phenomenal brand. Um. I think

808
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: one thing that Nick Vile has done exceptionally is that

809
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: he found a niche that the Bachelor audience still has

810
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 1: extreme interest in at the same level they do the Bachelor,

811
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Speaker 1: and he has plugged and worked his ass off to

812
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: build a really solid community. He's done great with that.

813
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: I think another guy he's done great, Travis Stark. Unbelievable.

814
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: I mean what he's done in like the doctor space

815
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: and been hosting like that is phenomenal. Let's talk about

816
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 1: more recent people. I think Tyler Cameron genius one show.

817
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: All the pieces of that puzzle connected at a level

818
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: that he's one of the most followed people from the show.

819
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: And he could have been going to be the Bachelor.

820
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: He could have had those opportunities, and he knew that

821
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: he could take this platform and move into a different direction.

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Speaker 1: He has and he has. He's branded himself brilliantly, like

823
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: absolutely brilliantly. Another one I'm gonna put out there just

824
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Speaker 1: just because it's more recent and more fun. I think

825
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: she's doing a phenomenal, phenomenal job. Is Rachel Kirconnell. She's

826
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Speaker 1: consistent with her posting. She she's in the lifestyle blogging

827
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: vlogging space. Her engagement is super high. She never misses

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Speaker 1: a day. I've never had that conversation with her, but

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Speaker 1: like from a third like third level looking in, she's

830
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: building something I think that's gonna be extremely sustainable. That's

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Speaker 1: very impressive. You just named off a lot of people,

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00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people that I go, yeah, of course

833
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: they've they've done great. Now if I would have opened

834
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: up the door for you. I would have to put

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Speaker 1: Caitlin in that category. I think Caitlin is um done

836
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Speaker 1: an incredible job. Here's the weirdest thing for tell me

837
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: if you disagree as we close out here is I

838
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Speaker 1: thought I was having as a year coming on. Caitlin

839
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: kind of disappeared for like two years, and I think

840
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: there's like some behind the scenes there, right, but like

841
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: you didn't hear a lot of Caitlin after her time

842
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: on The Bachelor at and then she kind of like

843
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: rose from the ashes and like this kind of blossomed

844
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: with her podcast and her following in her wine and

845
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: her scrun cheese and then into hosting, and she crushed

846
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: it into hosting, she liked, I don't know what she

847
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: was doing, we can all assume, but then she, like you,

848
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: kind of came into her life and she blossomboddy. I

849
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: don't know if you can take credit for that, but

850
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Speaker 1: it kind of feels like Caitlin is is living the

851
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: good life now. I mean, that's nice to you to say.

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Speaker 1: I think she helps me with a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: I think I can help her with a lot of things,

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Speaker 1: like on the business end, as far as like operations

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Speaker 1: to the next level, you know what I mean? And

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Speaker 1: I think for Caitlin is like I don't know any

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Speaker 1: like too many people in my life that know themselves

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Speaker 1: better than Caitlin knows herself. And that's willing to move

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Speaker 1: forward in the direction that Caitlin feels best for her,

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Speaker 1: how someone tells her she's wrong. You know, she just

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Speaker 1: knows herself and what she wants out of life so well,

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Speaker 1: and like that's a massive takeaway from me. And and

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Speaker 1: core of it is from her knowing herself and empowering

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Speaker 1: others to do the same. Yeah, talk about longevity, I

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Speaker 1: mean Caitlin, Caitlin Bristol could literally again disappear, and her

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Speaker 1: brands and the brands that she's built in the community

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Speaker 1: she's built around him, would still be there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what an incredible compliment like on the business side to

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Speaker 1: what she's done with her and her team. Just super

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Speaker 1: cool to see. Well, that's a good note to end on. Jason,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for spending so much time with us today. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for all your insight, sharing your knowledge. UH. It's been

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Speaker 1: a pleasure. Again. Thanks the Best Egg for having us

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Speaker 1: UH today. I hope you all gained something from listening

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Speaker 1: UM and UH. And if you need any more insight,

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Speaker 1: and I'm telling you this from the bottom of heart,

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Speaker 1: you can pick up the Restart road map or you

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Speaker 1: can get on Trading Secrets find them on Instagram. They

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Speaker 1: have a great some great tips stuff I learned UM

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Speaker 1: often from from watching Jason's interviews and the posts that

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Speaker 1: are done. So go check them out right now. Jason Tartik,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us today and thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for having me. Thank you again for listening to

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Speaker 1: this episode of the Almost Famous Podcast. Also, thank you

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