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Speaker 1: Home, y'all to this week's mini pod. So we had
Speaker 1: a great show on our main episode this week with
Speaker 1: Cherylyn Eiffel, and it was so good that you guys
Speaker 1: sent in all these questions and comments, we did not
Speaker 1: get a chance to get to them. So Angela, Andrew
Speaker 1: and myself were here to try to get to as
Speaker 1: many as possible. But you know, sometimes you guys ask
Speaker 1: these questions and you take us down a rabbit hole
Speaker 1: because your questions are so great or your comments are
Speaker 1: so insightful. So we're gonna try to get to as
Speaker 1: many as possible. So let's not waste any more time.
Speaker 1: Roll us a question, turn.
Speaker 3: Up, Nick Peace, Native Land Family. Daniel Rant, just checking in.
Speaker 3: Just wanted to say the last episode was super, super dope.
Speaker 3: It spoke to everything that I'm on with intention, and
Speaker 3: everything you spoke about in the episode spoke to me
Speaker 3: as a new thing that I'm on. I wrote a
Speaker 3: record called on Cold, and so everything you spoke about
Speaker 3: to me was being on Cold. I would like to
Speaker 3: know from each of you, what does on cold mean
Speaker 3: to you?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: And I think we will probably be aligned in our thoughts.
Speaker 3: I would think, but what does that mean? Angela, Tiffany,
Speaker 3: Andrew like, what does on cold mean?
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 6: Guys? I love this because Daniel is truly native Lampid fam.
Speaker 6: Many of you all know that he wrote our intro music. Daniel,
Speaker 6: It's always good to see you. He is definitely part
Speaker 6: of the family because he was like, Hey, y'all, since
Speaker 6: I'm co hosting the show today, what is on now?
Speaker 6: I don't know if you're saying on cold or on
Speaker 6: is on cold?
Speaker 1: Like Cood on cold, So I don't know what that means. Well,
Speaker 1: because you're not on COLDE got it?
Speaker 6: Definitely not on Code?
Speaker 7: Which show were we talking about? That was that?
Speaker 1: I think because he talked about Landy it could have
Speaker 1: been that that show when we talked about Landy was
Speaker 1: the designer, the black designer who we had on talking
Speaker 1: about where we spend our money. But all of our
Speaker 1: shows are on Code. I'm adopting it.
Speaker 6: Because you know we about a cold.
Speaker 1: Life, we about that on Code. We say that means?
Speaker 6: Does that mean that he might be saying what you
Speaker 6: were saying? On the last show tip, which was, you know,
Speaker 6: there are certain things that should be for us, like
Speaker 6: we should have our own cold. Like here's on code.
Speaker 6: I got a perfect one, Andrew. You got to look
Speaker 6: for this ready, y'all will know watch.
Speaker 1: Yes Egg precisely.
Speaker 6: You don't have to say, Andrew just on code. Yes.
Speaker 7: Yeahbody in the community might not be on code if
Speaker 7: they're not in.
Speaker 6: The community figured out.
Speaker 1: Right, And if I say something to you, you don't
Speaker 1: really know what I'm talking about. I'm kind of looking
Speaker 1: at you. Signway, so I have another one.
Speaker 7: I have another one.
Speaker 1: Okay, give us another.
Speaker 6: One, Andrew. You have to look the problem. Part of
Speaker 6: the issue is it is Andrew's writing a whole. I
Speaker 6: don't know what you.
Speaker 1: Doing, Andrew, what are you doing over there?
Speaker 7: I was?
Speaker 4: I was imitating uh, Angela during any normal recording.
Speaker 1: I know Angela, you do, y'all. Angela does the same thing.
Speaker 1: She always liked that.
Speaker 6: Look at my notes.
Speaker 1: I take you, okay, but you gotta get on cold.
Speaker 1: You gotta get on cold.
Speaker 6: I have to get on memory first, and then I'll
Speaker 6: get on cold. Now here's my second encode moment. And
Speaker 6: then you guys have to play your aids. I guess
Speaker 6: that's what this is so sad for people who are
Speaker 6: not watching it. I'll tell you what I'm doing afterwards. Okay,
Speaker 6: so here's another one. Okay, see if you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying, obviously please Okay, So what I did was
Speaker 6: a side I would like my lips pursed for those Well.
Speaker 1: The first thing she did was like they have a
Speaker 1: certain type of head nod. But it wasn't a head
Speaker 1: nod like Top of the morning to you.
Speaker 6: It wasn't. It wasn't a yes, It was a yes,
Speaker 6: flick that thing up like you do like head.
Speaker 7: Yeah. It's like, yes, that statement is true, but you
Speaker 7: don't follow it.
Speaker 6: Oh you're talking back to the eyes. This is why
Speaker 6: I back to the anyway, this is not going to
Speaker 6: work for true.
Speaker 7: That That was my interpretation of it.
Speaker 4: It was like, yeah, you're sticking your head like uh huh.
Speaker 4: We all know it's true, but you the last one
Speaker 4: that should be calling it out because you don't do it,
Speaker 4: you know, so like the person who's.
Speaker 6: But that was something we we went back to the
Speaker 6: to the head.
Speaker 1: Not both of them. I think both of them are
Speaker 1: on cold. You doing something else that's on cold. If
Speaker 1: we were all together and any one of them got
Speaker 1: up and started running.
Speaker 7: Oh yes, God started running. If we running, the table's falling.
Speaker 6: It's like, oh.
Speaker 7: Yeah, said got up?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 7: Nobody get up?
Speaker 1: Okay. I have a question for the viewers. What what
Speaker 1: is on Cold to you guys? And it has to
Speaker 1: be something that you can You can drop a video
Speaker 1: if you want, or you can drop it in the comments,
Speaker 1: because we've been saying that we were going to talk
Speaker 1: about different phrases and dialects from different geographical regions. And
Speaker 1: we have a wonderful book that we're going to use
Speaker 1: to explore that. So stay tuned. That's going to be
Speaker 1: on the minipop coming up.
Speaker 7: What was his name?
Speaker 6: And Jared Hill is Darren Hill?
Speaker 1: This great book. It's on my coffee table. I love it,
Speaker 1: So we will that's a future historical.
Speaker 6: Historically black Dared Hill and Treville Anderson.
Speaker 1: I love it. But for so we're gonna that's a
Speaker 1: future episode. For now. I'm curious what is on Code
Speaker 1: to you guys? It can be a gesture, It could
Speaker 1: be something we say, but something that you know, like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: we're on COLDE.
Speaker 6: Are we all together? Are we in unison? Are we
Speaker 6: in alignment? Also, it's on code a geographical slang term,
Speaker 6: because I really have not heard it before.
Speaker 1: I've never heard that phrase before in my life. We
Speaker 1: might I think.
Speaker 6: Daniel's something to the left. I think Daniel's in Boston. Daniel,
Speaker 6: what is that me? And you said I wrote a song?
Speaker 6: He was like, I know we're gonna be all on
Speaker 6: the same page, and I'm like, I don't know what
Speaker 6: page were on, but I'm happy to turn it there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think part of being on code is
Speaker 1: knowing what anything means. That can mean being on colde.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like you hip to it.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what's up right right, what it is.
Speaker 1: In the last episode when Trav was like go like
Speaker 1: he just say go off Andrew, we said go off
Speaker 1: Andrew or turn up Andrew.
Speaker 6: Those mean the same thing. Nick turns Andrew's literal volume
Speaker 6: up on the microphone, and Tips response to that was like,
Speaker 6: I don't want everybody to know if it's called impact production.
Speaker 6: I definitely want Nick to know. And I feel like
Speaker 6: Nick can have an honorary black code, a black card,
Speaker 6: especially during Wednesdays.
Speaker 7: Nick.
Speaker 1: During Wednesday's Nick gets a black card, but I mean
Speaker 1: in general, because we put a lot of stuff out there.
Speaker 1: But the thing about it is, we're so dope. You know,
Speaker 1: we are a small percentage of the pocket reation. But
Speaker 1: where we go, the whole world followed.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: We control the culture.
Speaker 1: We took things from Africa, curated them here, and they
Speaker 1: made their way back to Africa with Black American spin
Speaker 1: on it. So we really have We drive conversation, we
Speaker 1: drive culture, and so I think there is some danger
Speaker 1: to exposing that. But the thing is, we're a bottomless
Speaker 1: bucket of culture and dopeness and especialists, you know, of
Speaker 1: fashion and dance and you know the things that we
Speaker 1: carry with us on the boat.
Speaker 4: So I you're come and made me think about centers,
Speaker 4: that image of them.
Speaker 7: There is that maybe the first and last time, but
Speaker 7: it's okay, We're going to survive this.
Speaker 4: Moves dances we were never even taught. We were not
Speaker 4: in our physical form, weren't taught. But the spirit of
Speaker 4: the ancestors being so powerful, the movements manifest them through
Speaker 4: us in a different day time condition. That just shows
Speaker 4: how connected we are as a people. But more over,
Speaker 4: how what we do than influences how everybody else moves, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, that's a powerful scene.
Speaker 7: I loved it.
Speaker 6: The thing that I thought about, and I don't want
Speaker 6: to bypass this tip because I think, in this moment
Speaker 6: we're in, it is so important you reference. There's some
Speaker 6: things that you're basically saying, I just want to keep
Speaker 6: for us. And there is also since Andrew reference Sinners,
Speaker 6: and we've talked about talked about slavery as recently as
Speaker 6: our last episode, I think it is important for people
Speaker 6: to understand, since history is now our responsibility to teach
Speaker 6: white America, since they want to dismantle the Smithsonian, to
Speaker 6: help them understand that some of what is on code
Speaker 6: in our language are the things that preserved our lives,
Speaker 6: the things that helped us find a pathway to freedom
Speaker 6: during slavery. Songs and scriptures that were quoted we were
Speaker 6: using to literally give us the navigatational tools to get
Speaker 6: to freedom. And so there's something in you that's saying, hey,
Speaker 6: you know, in an ancestral memory way in my DNA,
Speaker 6: there's something here that I want to protect. And I
Speaker 6: don't think that that's inherently wrong at all. I actually
Speaker 6: think that that's very smart to protect some of those things.
Speaker 6: But also if there are well meaning allies and they
Speaker 6: have proved themselves to be well meaning allies, there are
Speaker 6: some things that they probably need to know so they
Speaker 6: can help us. Because the things, Yeah, because we know
Speaker 6: her math on math, there ain't enough of us. Coalition
Speaker 6: requires we are going to have to build in some ways.
Speaker 6: But I do hear you on some things should just
Speaker 6: be protected for the culture.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so maybe this might be one of them.
Speaker 4: I had to text r J so I apologize for
Speaker 4: the beings because she says this term. There was a
Speaker 4: letter that came to the house that I was reading
Speaker 4: and the girl was like you ate crumbs and left
Speaker 4: no no you?
Speaker 7: And I said, what did you eat in front of
Speaker 7: these people?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 7: Like why would she write that? And it makes no sense?
Speaker 4: And then I went in to like chastise the writers,
Speaker 4: saying like we don't teach our kids.
Speaker 7: Any decorum anymore, like what's appropriate in a letter?
Speaker 4: What isn't that? Jay was like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4: I was like this young you know, the dance guy.
Speaker 4: She's like, you ate and left no crumbs? Like that
Speaker 4: doesn't make sense to me, and you know and whatever.
Speaker 4: And Jay's like, Andrew, it's a compliment. It's a saying
Speaker 4: that young people have.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 1: Also, I feel like that's such a disconnect from culture,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 7: Like why you are in my life?
Speaker 1: How are you so like because you are graduate, You're
Speaker 1: in Florida around I.
Speaker 7: Can be a graduate of any institution in Steel.
Speaker 1: You live with j though, Like I don't.
Speaker 7: She tells me all the time, why is it that
Speaker 7: I never follow.
Speaker 6: Old man inside of himself?
Speaker 7: And I'm like, I think, like, I don't know your story, my.
Speaker 6: Dad, and see if he knows what it means.
Speaker 7: I've never heard that term before in my life.
Speaker 6: I want to call I kind of want to call
Speaker 6: a pop riety. See what he said.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the next of your question. Because we
Speaker 1: do what we said, we wouldn't.
Speaker 6: Do another view of question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, how you doing a Native Lampard family. My name
Speaker 5: is Jesse McCoy. I'm a clinical professor of law at
Speaker 5: Duke University. But before that, I am a proud rattler
Speaker 5: of Florida A and M where Andrew Gillen was my
Speaker 5: SGA president. I have a question just about the pathway
Speaker 5: to politics. We run into a lot of students who
Speaker 5: either need to be involved in politics, or want to
Speaker 5: be involved in politics, and I was just wondering if
Speaker 5: there's an incubator of politicians or former politicians who can
Speaker 5: advise those students about things like campaign finance and political strategy,
Speaker 5: because I just have no idea how to even direct
Speaker 5: them or where to direct them. Shout out to Angela,
Speaker 5: rob and washing As you want see and then you
Speaker 5: really did a great job representing for us Tiffany Cross
Speaker 5: likewise on MSNBC, but even more so now on the show,
Speaker 5: because I think you're the person that most relates to
Speaker 5: how I feel in the current moment and wanting to
Speaker 5: swing on people.
Speaker 1: So Jesse, you ate and left no crumbs with that question? Uh, Andrew,
Speaker 1: I mean you know when he was asking, I was
Speaker 1: immediately thinking, do you want to say?
Speaker 6: Do you want to answer Andrew?
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I thought you were okay, Andrew.
Speaker 1: Andrew did not eat and left all the crimes.
Speaker 6: All the crimes. So since he left the crumbs, let's
Speaker 6: eat him up. Tip they gonna let him cook, We're
Speaker 6: not gonna let him cook.
Speaker 1: Don't let them cook.
Speaker 6: So so there are a couple of things I wanted
Speaker 6: to acknowledge on the actual subject of the question one. Andrew,
Speaker 6: you are my forever SGA president too. Even though I
Speaker 6: didn't go to FAM. When Andrew left FAM, he joined
Speaker 6: people for the American Way, and I learned something called
Speaker 6: the Young Elected Officials Network that not only pulled young
Speaker 6: electeds together and gave them a home to strategize, to
Speaker 6: think through how to become better leaders, but also really
Speaker 6: developed an on ramp for them to run for higher office. Sadly,
Speaker 6: one of the biggest failures of that program is Kirsten Cinema.
Speaker 6: I digress that he's had many more successes. She also
Speaker 6: did not eat and left all the crumbs tip. But
Speaker 6: we also have the CBC Institute's boot Camp, and then
Speaker 6: Collective Pack runs a program for folks who want to
Speaker 6: run for office and who also want to run campaigns.
Speaker 6: So I do want to just tout that there are
Speaker 6: entities that are doing this work. We could always use more.
Speaker 6: Mississippi Black Leadership Institute NBLI is one that has pumped out.
Speaker 6: If you guys go through and look at the state
Speaker 6: and local elected officials in Mississippi, there are a ton
Speaker 6: of black folks and that was not by mistake. It
Speaker 6: was with great intention. So Andrew I always want to
Speaker 6: give you the opportunity to shout you out for the
Speaker 6: work that.
Speaker 4: You've done while you and I'm going to talk about
Speaker 4: the specific program that I founded at People for Underneath,
Speaker 4: the Young Elected Officials Network that did this campaign training,
Speaker 4: and I turned away to look on my other computer
Speaker 4: to research whether or not it still exists, and twenty
Speaker 4: years later, the Frontline Leaders Academy is still going strong.
Speaker 4: If y'all remember when we were with Jamal Bryant and
Speaker 4: he said thank you for the letter of recommendation from.
Speaker 7: My wife Carrie.
Speaker 4: Carrie went through this program, the Frontline Leaders Academy, and
Speaker 4: at the end of it was the person chosen as
Speaker 4: the most likely to be the candidate running for office.
Speaker 4: She adn't run yet, so I'm gonna have to remind
Speaker 4: her when I see her in Atlanta this weekend when we're.
Speaker 7: Up there y'all, that she was a part of this program.
Speaker 4: But it's an excellent program that trains young people and
Speaker 4: all people interested in run for office or being part
Speaker 4: of a campaign apparatus. What it means to be a candidate,
Speaker 4: campaign manager, finance director, field organizer, communications sists the core
Speaker 4: competencies of what are required and it is of course
Speaker 4: housed that people for the American Way Foundation based in
Speaker 4: d C. And then sorry, update on the message I
Speaker 4: just said, I told you she said the quote was
Speaker 4: you ate, and I then later told you it was
Speaker 4: you ate and left no crumbs. So what I was
Speaker 4: responding to initially was you.
Speaker 7: Ate and no context. I had no clue what the meant.
Speaker 1: And you probably loses black cart.
Speaker 7: I lose a black cart, but I ain't gonna win
Speaker 7: no cards for what's in the in the in the
Speaker 7: social media.
Speaker 1: At you got your black cart, but you losing your
Speaker 1: own cold card. We got one last question that we
Speaker 1: have time for, and I want to try to get
Speaker 1: it in. So let's hear from this viewer.
Speaker 6: What's up.
Speaker 2: This is Craig again and coming out of Brooklyn, just
Speaker 2: sitting on my stoop enjoying these last days of summer.
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about all the things that are happening
Speaker 2: all around the country, especially in DC, where you know,
Speaker 2: folks can't sit out on any stoopid like I'm doing
Speaker 2: right now, just.
Speaker 6: Enjoying life.
Speaker 2: In a moment. And I just want to say, this
Speaker 2: is just a reminder to find those small moments that
Speaker 2: bring you joy because things are pretty chaotic right now,
Speaker 2: and I'm just hoping everybody is taking the time to
Speaker 2: find joy.
Speaker 6: Love you guys, hopeball as well.
Speaker 3: This is Craig Peace.
Speaker 4: It's just the guy who, after he asked this question,
Speaker 4: y'all would like he find him a lot of dates
Speaker 4: from that first Rag was like, I'm coming.
Speaker 7: Back and I'm just gonna sit back on the stop
Speaker 7: he ate he.
Speaker 1: Ate And he left no crumbs.
Speaker 6: He was I couldn't even see him today. He had
Speaker 6: a holy spotlight on him. Today.
Speaker 7: We're gonna have him turn around the next time and
Speaker 7: then make the.
Speaker 1: I do appreciate the messages find those moments of joy.
Speaker 1: So if you guys, do you have any closing thoughts
Speaker 1: on what you're doing to find those moments of joy?
Speaker 6: You know, I was when we were on last week.
Speaker 6: I mentioned that I had a friend who like tragically
Speaker 6: passed in a car accident, and I think there are
Speaker 6: these moments where you realize how fleeting life is. You know,
Speaker 6: there are other moments where my mom, as she goes
Speaker 6: through chemo, she is constantly assessing like the fullness of
Speaker 6: her life and whether it is indeed complete. Uh, And
Speaker 6: you kind of contrast that with people who probably are
Speaker 6: not expecting to go. And so the reminder is no
Speaker 6: matter where you find yourself, even if you do think
Speaker 6: you have tomorrow, especially you know, where as we're like
Speaker 6: younger and your age, you get older, you think you're
Speaker 6: in you think your parents are invincible, at least some
Speaker 6: of us may. But I just I think that the
Speaker 6: constant reminder is like we can choose joy in the
Speaker 6: midst of everything that's going on. We can find those
Speaker 6: pockets and hopefully lean into them. And that is the
Speaker 6: greatest lesson I've learned from watching my mom and even
Speaker 6: from losing Teddy last week. So that's what I would say.
Speaker 7: I love that, Andrew, do you have I would say
Speaker 7: I'm probably increasing in my comfort, probably to a level
Speaker 7: of discomfort for those around me and all the things
Speaker 7: I don't know and I don't care that I don't know.
Speaker 7: You know how sometimes you're like you're not hip to
Speaker 7: something like we have just had with.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, this is just shade me and Angela.
Speaker 1: That's not joy.
Speaker 7: It is joy. It is joy. It's joy in the
Speaker 7: sense that I don't and you don't know a thing
Speaker 7: and you don't care anymore like a lot of dance
Speaker 7: at the at the at the at the thing, you know,
Speaker 7: the who was who?
Speaker 4: What's the name of the organization? And every city that
Speaker 4: has a party on Saturday night.
Speaker 1: People, I remember that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, day nights, I can't remember.
Speaker 6: It's it's Friday night.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like the line dance, I don't want to know
Speaker 7: the newest one and I don't even want to know.
Speaker 6: Come on, Andrew, and.
Speaker 1: That's right, that that was your joy? That was fine?
Speaker 1: Enjoy that you don't know.
Speaker 7: Fine, yes, I need enjoy that.
Speaker 4: You don't have the pressure of wanting to have to
Speaker 4: learn it.
Speaker 1: Fine, fair enough moments of joy, I will tell you
Speaker 1: right now, I feel incredibly so much angst. I mean, DC,
Speaker 1: it just is right outside my window, just everywhere you know,
Speaker 1: a Union station is literally like tanks outside. It just
Speaker 1: looks so ridiculous and unnecessarily so. So as I'm watching
Speaker 1: us like trans transcend to this police state, it's uh,
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I I'm in a constant state
Speaker 1: of unrest. So my moments of joy is just when
Speaker 1: I can calm down. And how I calm myself down
Speaker 1: is inhale and then I exhale and however, you need
Speaker 1: to inhale and exhale. I recommend you do that. I
Speaker 1: mean breathing exercises for sure. Yes, and I am trying
Speaker 1: different new types of therapy too. That part, that last
Speaker 1: part is legit above board.
Speaker 6: Goes high and also is trying the therapy is a
Speaker 6: very important thing. The great thing.
Speaker 1: You don't go I will I almost exactly exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you guys for tuning in to this mini pod.
Speaker 1: If you happen to be in Atlanta, we will be
Speaker 1: at investment in Atlanta. I mean, you know, you may
Speaker 1: be hearing this after we've left Atlanta, whenever you decide
Speaker 1: to listen to Native Land Mini Pod, but we will
Speaker 1: be headed to the a so we may see you there.
Speaker 1: But please be sure to tune into these mini pods.
Speaker 1: You know, we have our main episode that drops on Thursdays.
Speaker 1: Mini pods drop on Fridays. You can catch Angela solo
Speaker 1: pod most Tuesdays except on those very precious days that
Speaker 1: we're very happy to see her get some rest. So
Speaker 1: thank you guys for tuning in. Please share this, spread
Speaker 1: the word, get on cold and tell people about Native
Speaker 1: Land Mini Pods, because that's the part of me and
Speaker 1: how we how we ate and left no crumbs, and
Speaker 1: how Andrew didn't cook.
Speaker 6: I want to I want to apologize to y'all because
Speaker 6: if this is really how I look in the podcast,
Speaker 6: what Andrew is doing, I'm sorry. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: You do look like that all the time.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm so sorry. I'm going to work on it.
Speaker 6: I really apologize, especially if it's happening, yeah, because i'd
Speaker 6: be taking those But if it's happening and it's triggered.
Speaker 7: Just that device working away, it's something more important. Conversation
Speaker 7: is not true.
Speaker 1: It only happens well, viewers, let us know what you
Speaker 1: all observe.
Speaker 6: Yeah, please, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Let us know what y'all observed. But this is also like,
Speaker 1: you know, cut up so you don't always see Angel
Speaker 1: on camera. We all see each other the whole podcast.
Speaker 6: Which is frustrating.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, if I had something shady to say to Andrew,
Speaker 1: I would, but I'm not as quick as.
Speaker 6: It's so hard being green era.
Speaker 1: All right, on that note, Welcome home, y'all, and we
Speaker 1: will see you soon.
Speaker 7: Welcome home.
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