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Speaker 4: Welcome to trust Me.

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Speaker 2: The podcast about cults, extreme belief and manipulation from two

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Speaker 2: individual flames who've actually experienced it. I am Lola Blanc

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Speaker 2: and Megan Elizabeth is out this week, but do not

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Speaker 2: fear she is in the rest of this interview. Speaking

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Speaker 2: of which today is part two of our interview with Demetria,

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Speaker 2: survivor of Oregon's New age cult called Twin Ray.

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Speaker 4: This week, she'll tell us more about the wild.

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Speaker 2: Claims that the leaders, Shaquina and Sonata g made about

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Speaker 2: their mystical abilities and backgrounds, how deeply rooted the culture

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Speaker 2: of self blame was, including blaming one woman for her

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Speaker 4: By of course, their followers.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about the dangers of the drugs that they

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Speaker 2: into part two with Demetria, I'm gonna quickly have a

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Speaker 2: same cult that the Netflix series Wild Wild Country is about.

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Speaker 2: Now that's the Rashnie She's led by Bagwan Rajnisch, who's

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Speaker 2: also known as oh Show. So we actually mentioned Oshow

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Speaker 4: And what these women are coming forward about.

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Speaker 2: There are three women apparently that are the subject of

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Speaker 2: this doc What they're coming forward about is how the Rahnie.

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Speaker 2: She's on top of trying to poison an entire town

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Speaker 2: for political reasons. Watch Weabla Country if you haven't.

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Speaker 2: But in addition to that, there was this whole other

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Speaker 2: And apparently all three of these women did experience quite

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Speaker 4: Anyway, the story is really horrific.

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Speaker 2: got out of this group. One thing I think about

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Speaker 2: Saying stuff like we've assisted in many different ways off planet.

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Speaker 5: I don't care about this plane of existence.

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Speaker 5: The cognitive dissonance and that even right.

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Speaker 4: But there's always a reason.

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Speaker 2: There's always an explanation, Like when my mom was like

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Speaker 4: No, thank god God, I said, have one in this

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Speaker 4: To help people.

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Speaker 2: We need this is the only way we can spread

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Speaker 4: It's going to help us.

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Speaker 5: Ps they bought it from scientologists. This mansion. That's odd.

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Speaker 1: Every little detail in this story is like whoa Nothing

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Speaker 3: give the money. I trust these people. They're they're doing

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00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 3: great things and they seem so composed.

439
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah.

440
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: Once once the hurdle of getting you to believe in

441
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: the person is over, then there's always an explanation.

442
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 4: There's always an excuse.

443
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 2: There's always the human brain as such that once we

444
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: believe in somebody, like we will go along with what

445
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 2: they're saying because we believe in them, and we've invested

446
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: time in them, and we've invested our hearts and energy

447
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: in our community and like this is our lives, so

448
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: like it makes more sense for us to believe what

449
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: they're saying, especially because a lot of the times, like sure,

450
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: their explanations like seem to make sense at first, Well,

451
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 2: it's only after seeing the hypocrisy over time.

452
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 3: Over time, well, it's it's not until that's, like I said,

453
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 3: until that veil lifts or spell breaks, right, because because

454
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 3: you and especially that sun cost, you know fallacy. I mean,

455
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: if you've invested so much money in something and you've

456
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 3: int like you said it really well, right, You've invest

457
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 3: did your heart, you've invested your time, that's not going

458
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 3: to be easy to let go of that. Like, you're

459
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: going to do everything you can to justify that investment.

460
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,959
Speaker 3: And that's part of the method to the madness. I

461
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 3: think like they they ask for large investments and large

462
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 3: sums of money because they know that once they can

463
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 3: get people to do that, it's they're going to want

464
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: to justify their investment.

465
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: I saw this happen recently with a lot of my

466
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 1: good friends and myself with Biden, where we just were like, no,

467
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: he's fine because it can't be Trump, and then it

468
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: was like, wait, he's actually really not and we just

469
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: had to believe that, and it really shook up some

470
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: of the people I know totally.

471
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 4: I'm with you.

472
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like and you know, it's people

473
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: that are very highly educated and very smart, and.

474
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Speaker 2: Also like when historically the people who are latching onto

475
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: that narrative are people who will latch onto any narrative

476
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 2: to discredit the person, it makes it harder to discern

477
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 2: what's true and what is it?

478
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: You mean, like latching onto hating Trump so much that

479
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 1: you created No, I.

480
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: Mean like anti Biden people were roasting him from the beginning.

481
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: That narrative had been there for a long time. So

482
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,239
Speaker 2: if it's coming from them and those, it's coming from

483
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 2: a source you don't trust, right, Typically, it's easier to

484
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 2: be like, well, surely that can't be, you know, and

485
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: then it makes it harder to see things sort of objectively.

486
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: Right, So did you move to this compound? Like what's

487
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: your day to day life, Like, are you now living

488
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: in Oregon?

489
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 3: No? Fortunately I never moved to Ashlands, so I never

490
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: lived with them. I was just going to the retreats

491
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 3: and taking all their classes, and I mean I was

492
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 3: really immersed in those couple of years. I mean it

493
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: was probably from the time I met him from to

494
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: the time I completely unplugged, you know, completely just slammed

495
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: the door shut. Was probably a total of four years.

496
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 3: But I was immersed in those couple of years. I

497
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: really only was was talking to people from their community.

498
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 3: Every day. I would listen to something, one of their classes,

499
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 3: one of their transmissions, taking their their alchemies. I mean,

500
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 3: I was I.

501
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 2: Was in, did you have a job, like a regular

502
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: job during this time, Like, I'm curious about the disconnect

503
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: between like this sort of spiritual life you're living and

504
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 2: like the rest of your life.

505
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I was also learning like their healing modality,

506
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 3: you know, so I was doing sessions with people. I

507
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: was yeah, I mean I was immersed.

508
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: Oh so you're not You're now one of their healers

509
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: so people can pay No, no, no, no, that's that's another

510
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: story that was part of I cut.

511
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: I was like, no, you can take it, you can

512
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: have it. And they made they tried to They tried

513
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 3: to lock me in when I was leaving, to make

514
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: me like they said they needed to monitor my website

515
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 3: and I needed to put their website on my website

516
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: and their logo. And I was like, I was like,

517
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: I'm good. I don't. I don't need to use your

518
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: healing modality. That's fine. Even though I spent five thousand

519
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: dollars in all that time to get trained in it.

520
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 3: You can have it. Because I could see that this

521
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 3: is this is not I signed up for freedom, if

522
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: you remember, I signed up for liberation, and that that

523
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 3: was definitely not liberation. So so none of that, but yeah,

524
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I was trying to live my life,

525
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 3: but there was there. It was it was tough. It

526
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 3: was tough, like I you know, I'd be talking to

527
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 3: people outside of the group, you know, like day to

528
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 3: day life, and and I always felt this huge like

529
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: like I was like on another planet, you know, like

530
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: it was like I'm from another planet and I'm talking

531
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 3: to this person and they just don't know. They don't

532
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 3: know how special and important I.

533
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: Am, you know.

534
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I have no idea.

535
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 4: I felt that as a kid. I mean I was young.

536
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: Obviously, I'd be at school and be like, these kids

537
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: don't know that I'm the chosen One, and I'm bringing

538
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 2: about the second Coming of Christ.

539
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 4: Like if only they knew. How fucking cool. I you know,

540
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 4: like it's exciting.

541
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: It's like you have this secret, this like mysterious secret,

542
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: you know, and it does change the way you interact

543
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: with the world. I can't imagine trying to date while

544
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: you have that. That seems really hard.

545
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was no dating. I mean, there was really

546
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 3: no room for that. I mean, they're also big on celibacy.

547
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 3: They said they don't have sex. They don't. Yeah, they

548
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: don't have an attraction to each other. They don't talk

549
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: to each other, so that was kind of weird. I'm like, Okay,

550
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 3: is that really what I want to model? But you know,

551
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: they claim they didn't need to, right, they don't need

552
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: to because they have this extraterrestrial some kind of you know, special.

553
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: Now we're adding aliens and and now.

554
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 5: I'm back in the cult shit.

555
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just certainly amazing how many groups just

556
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: pull from the same got a little psychology.

557
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 4: You got a little alien, you got a little Bible,

558
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 4: you got a little Eastern religion, like you just mash

559
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 4: it all together and boom, you know, they're all doing it.

560
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 3: Yeah something they know, yes, exactly. Well, it's like, how

561
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 3: do you hook people in? How do you keep people in?

562
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 3: Lock people in, make sure they know that you're the

563
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: best and you're the only. Right. You have the same

564
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: formula over and over, just dressed up with different costumes

565
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: and different Yeah.

566
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: That's interesting, and it makes me think about something you

567
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: said earlier, like about how you know, connected with your

568
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: understanding of the Bible from when you're a kid, and

569
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: like these other belief systems you have, and you know,

570
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: Megan and I've talked a lot about how how important

571
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: stories are for being a person and making sense of

572
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: your life. I mean, it's so nefarious, but it's also

573
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: so smart to use things that we have, like archetypes

574
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: that we have in our head from stories across time

575
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: to kind of like unlock this idea, this like Luke

576
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: Skywalker thing or yeah, Jesus or whatever the story is,

577
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: like connect with what people have in their culture and

578
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: in their sort of innate understanding of the world. Obviously,

579
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: you know, starting a cult in China would be very

580
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: different than starting a cult here, but I'm sure there's overlap,

581
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: lots of overlap as well. Did that make any sense

582
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: at all?

583
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

584
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: It made okay, okay, great, It felt very abstract in

585
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: my head, but yeah, connecting with people's existing belief systems

586
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: the same way that my quote unquote profit. You know,

587
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: he decided that Mormonism was the religion that he was

588
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: going to use as the thing to prey upon, Like

589
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: he knew what our pre existing beliefs were and what

590
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: he could build upon, and then he made it all

591
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: insane from there.

592
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 5: How fast was this thing growing?

593
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: It grew really fast, but then yeah, it kind of

594
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: reached its peak. I want to say, from my experience. Anyways,

595
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: it reached the peak like June twenty twenty one, so like, yeah,

596
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: and then it started getting kind of it just became

597
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: more and more insular, more and more controlling, fear based.

598
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: But it wasn't like that in the beginning. It wasn't

599
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: so fear based. It was just like, Wow, this is

600
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: a really cool thing. We're you know, we're really cut.

601
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: We're saving humanity and creating a really like like everybody

602
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 3: wants community, you know, we all want community. We all

603
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 3: want to be part of something sustainable, right, healthy living,

604
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 3: healthy agriculture. And they seemed to promise some of that,

605
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: you know, being and providing healing. You know, they did

606
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: the diamond trick.

607
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 4: I don't know, you tell us explain that.

608
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they did this whole diamond trick where she

609
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: acted like she was going into labor, making really loud

610
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: sounds like standing there and and then he suddenly, you know,

611
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: opens his hand and these three diamonds come out of

612
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: his hand, and and they told us, and then they

613
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: planted them in the earth. And then the next retreat,

614
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: they said the reason that a lot of people pulled

615
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: out of the next retreat was because they had planted power, love,

616
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: and wisdom, and that a lot of people didn't make

617
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 3: it because they're not loving, powerful and wise enough.

618
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 5: And this is kind of a callback to his magician

619
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 5: days there you go.

620
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: Yes, so he's got a lot of good you know.

621
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: I mean, look the stage hypnotists, right, you know, David

622
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: Copperfield kind of magic tricks. I mean, they have a

623
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: way of making things, you know, look a certain way.

624
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: But they told us that we should tell everyone. They said,

625
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: you know, we want you to tell everyone because that's

626
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: what's going to make people make the pilgrimage to come

627
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: out here, right, And that that people are going to

628
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: make these pilgrimages to come to their place. There was

629
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: going to be millions of people in stadiums and doing

630
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: their technologies. And I just thought, you know, that's weird

631
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: because when I was reading the books, you know about

632
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: like gurus like Nisorga Data Maharaj, and he would always say,

633
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: you know, anybody who shows their cities. I was always

634
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: warned about spiritual teachers who show their powers. You know,

635
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: that's like that's pure ego, you know. And I was like,

636
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: I remember him saying, you know, the true teacher, like

637
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: the true realized being knows that you don't need them

638
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: to be realized and that they don't need you to

639
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 3: realize them.

640
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just shout out Robert Jay Lifton's eight criteria

641
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: for thought reform. Number two is mystical manipulation, where the

642
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: group manipulates experiences that appear spontaneous to demonstrate divine authority,

643
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: spiritual advancement, or some exceptional talent or insight that sets

644
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: the leader and or group apart from humanity, and that

645
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: allows the reinterpretation of historical vent scripture and other experiences.

646
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 4: Jim Jones faked healings.

647
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: I mean when somebody is doing the sort of stage

648
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: craft of you know, a magic trick or a healing like,

649
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: be very very wary because that is one of the

650
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: hallmarks of cult like groups.

651
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 3: And every you know what, every stage throughout time has

652
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: warned about that. So it's not even just lifting, Yeah,

653
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: Lifting pointed that out. That's a very important But across

654
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: the board, that's a red flag they start showing. Even

655
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 3: if it's a whether you know, he was tried to

656
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 3: say he produced it from his light body, you know,

657
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: but even to me, that's not the point, Like whether

658
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: he produced it from his light body or was a

659
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: magic trick, the fact that they're showing that, and they're

660
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: displaying that so that they can get followers right there.

661
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: Okay, but loky, if I could puke at diamond I

662
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: would do it all the time.

663
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 4: In front of people, right, I'd be like, you see

664
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 4: what I can do? Yeah, so cool, And then you

665
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 4: wouldn't need people's money anymore.

666
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 5: That's a good point.

667
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 4: If you're still in this group, just tell him just

668
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 4: keep peeking.

669
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 5: Up diamonds and then we'll be fine.

670
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 4: We can get the house bright for money.

671
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Why do they need so much money from

672
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: their followers if they can spit out diamonds and they

673
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 3: can create they at one retreat, they showed us a

674
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 3: gold like a piece of gold that they had alchemized

675
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 3: out of nowhere, you know, and then they're selling the

676
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: gold out and they said, you can never exchange this

677
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: for money. It's like because they.

678
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 6: Know that if you if you try to, and the

679
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 6: people be like, you know, oh god.

680
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 5: These people are such assholes.

681
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 4: And they had a store.

682
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: Obviously we have to we have to touch on the store,

683
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 2: which no longer exists, I believe, right.

684
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the store. I I don't know much about

685
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: the store, to be perfectly honest, because they opened the

686
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 3: store after I left. I was like totally gone. So

687
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 3: that store opened and closed with really very little. I

688
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: was never in it. I really don't know much about it.

689
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: It appears it was just like a New Age store

690
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: with meditation rooms and crystals and that.

691
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: Ten thousand square feet giant, dormous just stuff in it

692
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: with crystals and shit, and everybody wore white, white clothing. Correct,

693
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: what was kind of the dress looking?

694
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had very strict code for the retreats, so

695
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: specifically the retreats, it was like, you know, don't eat

696
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 3: you know fast. Well, I think they told us to

697
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 3: have juices for two weeks, no sex, no, you know,

698
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: nothing process, nothing, and then they had we were only

699
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: allowed to wear white, you know during the ceremonies, and

700
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 3: we weren't allowed to take pictures at their house. So

701
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 3: it got stricter. You know, it wasn't like that in

702
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: the beginning, but it got stricter and stricter, and actually

703
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 3: at one point they even were in stry. Well, they

704
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: were instructing their close ascendance not to hug anyone, you know,

705
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: so then they would you know, so that became, you know,

706
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 3: and then they have to let people know, like, you know,

707
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: you're you're my sister and my brother, but I can't

708
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 3: hug you. So they're like, no one loved to hug anybody,

709
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: even though we're creating a Golden Age loving community and

710
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: they're supposed to be you're light and lighting everyone. So yeah, they're.

711
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: Even cutting off connection with people in the group, Like

712
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: they're saying, let's be celibate. Let's cause like and a

713
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: lot of the cults, it's like, let's all have sex

714
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: with each other. You know, that's kind of promoted, but

715
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: in this one, they want you kind of isolated even

716
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: from each other.

717
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's like whatever serves them, you know,

718
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: like they would push certain people together if like it

719
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: served them, you know, if it would be financially beneficial

720
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 3: for them, but then they would you know, separate others.

721
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: So what was the ultimate point where you trying are

722
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: they trying to connect people with their twin ray? Where

723
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: are you trying to bring about the Golden Age?

724
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: Like what's everyone trying to achieve together?

725
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's all of it. You know, people

726
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 3: want to meet their twin flames. People want to be

727
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 3: spiritually liberated. They want to ascend. They want to ascend spiritually,

728
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 3: creating a golden age, a golden age community. It's everything

729
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 3: you've ever wanted your whole life.

730
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 4: Is there an end of the world imminent?

731
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: So they weren't specifically like the world's coming to an end,

732
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 3: but they sure did allude to it. They would create

733
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 3: urgency around that, like it was like, you know, we

734
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: need to like you're the chosen, alluding to that because

735
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I even remember her in twenty twenty one

736
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 3: and she said, you know, most people aren't going to

737
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: make survive the next two years.

738
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 5: Unbelievable.

739
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: This was in twenty twenty one, right, we're in twenty

740
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: twenty four, and she said most of the populations for

741
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 3: the last time I checked the population calculator, like the

742
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: human population still keeps growing. So, I mean, she said

743
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 3: most of the population was not going to survive the

744
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: next two years. She said that at a few different times,

745
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: So there was yeah, like they would do it really subtly.

746
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 3: You know. It wasn't like they did point out this

747
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 3: year a lot. They talked about this year, like they

748
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 3: would say, there's gonna be so much light, so much

749
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: light coming into the planet that you know, people are

750
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: just not going to be able to and like we

751
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: need you to help people during that time because people

752
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 3: aren't going to know the difference between what's real and

753
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: what's a dream. And you know, he's saying this, and

754
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, I believe him because that's

755
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 3: what I was experiencing being in that group. Like they're right,

756
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 3: they're creating this. People are losing their grasp on reality.

757
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 3: I mean DMT Fasting. Yeah, of course you start to

758
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: lose your grasp on what's a dream and what's real

759
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 3: because they're creating that them, them, them, But they make

760
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: you feel like it's like, oh my god, this is

761
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: what's happening in the world, like so much light and

762
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: people are going to be delusional, and we need to

763
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: like you need to take our classes so that you

764
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: can be prepared to.

765
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 5: Like integrate the light.

766
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: How I read it was in twenty twenty four, like

767
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: people couldn't like basically just combust from how much light

768
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: was coming in.

769
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 4: Well what does light even mean? What does that mean?

770
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 3: Well, like light light, you know, like light energy coming

771
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 3: into the planet. Like let's say you know the lights,

772
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: I mean the planet is based on like light and dark.

773
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 6: Right, it's so like sunlight and sunlight but also like

774
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 6: spiritual spiritual sunlight, and people just like can't process it,

775
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 6: so they need the twin ray group to understand.

776
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 2: Well, I certainly can't understand, but I have not combusted yet,

777
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: so fingers crossed, we have a few months left, that's true.

778
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is really a make or break year here.

779
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm always shocked that they do this.

780
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm just shocked that people have the gall to give

781
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: timelines of people aren't going to make it the next

782
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: two years, twenty four, they're all going to combust, and then.

783
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 5: They always are able to talk themselves out of it.

784
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: It is so it was just like such a sociopathic tendency.

785
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: At least our religions, you and me megan growing up,

786
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: at least they were like.

787
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 4: Some point in the future, very soon.

788
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: Like it was big.

789
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 4: There was not a specific date and no.

790
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 2: Right was like so many probably to today, but yeah, yeah,

791
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: it's about to happen, but we don't know when, so

792
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: there's plausible deniability, you.

793
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, exactly, Like well, and then there's always some

794
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: kind of an explanation like, oh, well, we had prepared everybody. Eactly,

795
00:41:58,800 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: that's what.

796
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 4: That is such a common one, that's common. Actually God

797
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 4: decided you guys were good, like.

798
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 3: You guys say, a great job, so we don't have

799
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: to and bad things do happen. I mean, let's be honest.

800
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: You know, bad things have happened, right, and in the collective,

801
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: like a lot of people were like I would have

802
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 3: never guessed that pandemic was going to happen. I mean,

803
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 3: they certainly exploited that. So then it's like, oh wow,

804
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 3: you know, like something like that happens and then a

805
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: teacher predicts it, you know, or like zoting predicts it.

806
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: That ever was like oh wow, yeah they were right

807
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 3: about this, right, War, war.

808
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: Is happening, pestilence the planet, Like there's so much that

809
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: you could say that would probably be happening at some

810
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: point soon because that has.

811
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: Been happening, right yeah, yeah for a very long time,

812
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: and you know, yeah, it can definitely be exploited. Yeah,

813
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: my gosh, right, like you know, knock on wood, but

814
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 3: I but you know that's the thing. They're they're preying

815
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: on vulnerabilities, right, and the mind. The mind is very

816
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: very vulnerable and absolutely.

817
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: Like that guy we were talking about earlier who was like,

818
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm actually a fake guru and people are like, no,

819
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: you're not.

820
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 5: Like they just needed the placebo effect of a.

821
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: Guru, you know, like they our minds are so susceptible,

822
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: which is endlessly intriguing. But I'm curious about when the

823
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: shelfs started to break for you, when the spell started

824
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: to slodge.

825
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well I think that's you know, it's important.

826
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 3: So it's like I talk about all the little things,

827
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: you know, that all kind of came together. But there

828
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: there was a very clear moment, and it was a

829
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: moment of like I did. I was alone, so I

830
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 3: wasn't listening to any of their stuff, I wasn't talking

831
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 3: to anyone from their community, and I was alone and

832
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 3: suddenly I and honestly, you know, I know you guys

833
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 3: think this sounds weird, but I had not experienced that before.

834
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: But I did go into a meditation for two days.

835
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 3: I there was like no movement, no thoughts. To this day,

836
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: I've never like, if I try to replicate that, I can't,

837
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: I start moving, I start twitching. But something happened like

838
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 3: where I got pulled into this, like really just like

839
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 3: no thought, no movement, state. And then when I emerged

840
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 3: from that, I knew. I knew. I'm like, oh my god,

841
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 3: this is a whole this is a game. They're playing

842
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 3: a game at our expense, and they think it's funny,

843
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 3: you know, and like yeah, like it's all of a sudden,

844
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: like these what I believe were these like superior beings

845
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 3: divine dispensation, and I'm like, oh my god, they're like

846
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: he's thirty years old, geez forty or whatever, and they

847
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 3: think they are Barbie and Ken and they you know,

848
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 3: they live in their dream else literally and they're trying

849
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: to act like Jesus a very and like it was

850
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: just all of a sudden. I just saw the whole

851
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 3: thing as a ruse.

852
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: Do you think that it happened to them because you

853
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: had been so stimulated and immersed for so long and

854
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: then like you had the time to process or was

855
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 2: there like something that had happened before that felt like

856
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: kind of a straw that broke the camel's back.

857
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: You know. Honestly, I could point to a lot of

858
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: different things, because there were a lot of like logical

859
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: you know, people were trying to tell me, and I

860
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 3: was like listening, you know, again, I'm listening to the leaders,

861
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 3: don't lend an ear, but I'm listening, but I'm letting

862
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: an ear to them, you know, but not listening to

863
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 3: the people that had been hurt by them and had left.

864
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: So but I was shutting all of that out and

865
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: it wasn't until until it was just like I was

866
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 3: in that empty like just clear, not omine, not like

867
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: a dark emptiness where it's scary, a big difference, but

868
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 3: just where I was like nobody's voice, you know what

869
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 3: I mean, Like I was in this space where I

870
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 3: had no I love your video by the way, Lola,

871
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: trust in your own voice.

872
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 4: Oh thank you music.

873
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 3: It was like nobody's voice, like all the it was,

874
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 3: it was just it was just empty. And so then

875
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: my voice, you know what I mean, Like it was

876
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: finally my truth, you know, and the truth that I know,

877
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 3: and not just like a superficial truth, but like the truth,

878
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: you know, Like the truth comes through in that, in

879
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: that quiet and in that emptiness, and that's where that

880
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: you know, has value, the meditative space, not not when

881
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: it's institutionalized and regimented and uh directed by an authoritarian no,

882
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 3: but when it comes naturally within yourself spontaneously.

883
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can notice what's happening in your body

884
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: and notice it's like what's making you feel uneasy?

885
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like your intuition comes back online, you know. Yeah,

886
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: what was the feeling? Was it like assuming there was

887
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: so many of them? But was it anger?

888
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 5: Like relief? But what were you thinking?

889
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 3: That's such a great question. Wow, you guys are really

890
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 3: you're going you guys are you should be therap? She was?

891
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: She was therapy?

892
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 4: I mean.

893
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, like people are listening to this is kind of

894
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: embarrassing because it's like this is gonna be a public

895
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,479
Speaker 3: therapy session, but.

896
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: Like you're bringing so much clea.

897
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: It was. I mean, if you take me back to

898
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 3: that time, and first I was just dumbfounded, you know,

899
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 3: it was just like oh my, like this was all

900
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: a game, you know, like you're just in shock, you know.

901
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: And and I had, by the way, I had this

902
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 3: realization before going to the retreat in September, So I

903
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: actually went to the retreat knowing like this was going

904
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: to be whoa.

905
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 4: What was that?

906
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: Like?

907
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 4: Well, I don't want you can finish your other answer first,

908
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 4: I don't want to, I know.

909
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 3: No, No, it's I'm glad I had that. I felt

910
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 3: very fortunate to have had that because then I really

911
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 3: saw it like an action, you know, like I really

912
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 3: started to see it with clear eyes, and gosh, man

913
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 3: did I see it with clear eyes. Like I saw

914
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 3: how how they shape shifted after the elixirs and after

915
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 3: the sharing circles where everybody's you know, praising them, and

916
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 3: if we weren't allowed to take pictures, but I so

917
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 3: wished I had a camera because they looked completely different

918
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 3: that first night than after an elixir and a sharing circle,

919
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 3: Like they they received so much power and energy from

920
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 3: the group. They see off of that energy of the group.

921
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 3: I mean, their eyes look different, their skin looked different.

922
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 3: It was why, like I have never yeah, I had

923
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: never you know, seen anything like that. They get a

924
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of energy and then they also

925
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 3: you know, pick up the information from the group, you know,

926
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 3: so that informs a lot of what they say and

927
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 3: then they sell, you know, so so that was interesting

928
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: to observe. But yeah, I mean it was rage, to

929
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 3: be honest, I really found my rage afterwards, like and

930
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 3: it was that rage was very important. And I want

931
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 3: people to know that because you know, you don't hear

932
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 3: that enough but I feel like I'm so tired of

933
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 3: people talking about forgiveness and talking about totally. Like I'm

934
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 3: just so tired of like preaching forgiveness and neutrality. And

935
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: it's not specific just t tuin ray. This is like

936
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: the spiritual thing, the law of attraction thing, all across

937
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 3: the board. You cannot bypass that rage. Yeah, Like that

938
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 3: rage is what catapulted me out of there completely. Like

939
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 3: if I hadn't had that rage, like I might still

940
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 3: be playing around, you know, I might still be like, Oh,

941
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 3: they're not that bad, you know, let me just let

942
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 3: me just listen to one of their classes again. You know,

943
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 3: it's not that bad, right, But it's the rage. It

944
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: was the rage that was like made it complete and

945
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 3: I needed that. And it's hard because rage is a

946
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 3: very intense energy and it can be really hard on

947
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: the body. So I really had to kind of go

948
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 3: through that and just really kind of be patient with

949
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 3: myself through that process and just kind of allow that feeling.

950
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 3: You know, something you're not taught in these spiritual communities,

951
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 3: especially not in any kind of institutional kind of practices

952
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 3: and meditation. You're taught to suppress all of that. You're

953
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 3: todd you're going to get bad karma if you ever

954
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 3: have anger, you know, So like I needed that and

955
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 3: thank you for asking.

956
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's so. That's so important.

957
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: Like colts cut us off from our feelings and we

958
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 2: have to be able to access them again and allow

959
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 2: them to be there. And that's why I do like

960
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: mindfulness meditation because it is noticing and allowing whatever is

961
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 2: there and letting it be there. Because there's nothing wrong

962
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 2: with feeling. You should feel rage if somebody has deceived

963
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: you and misled you and taken your money and lied

964
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: and you know, like been destructive to people's lives. That's

965
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: the correct emotion. Yeah, that's a proportionate feeling.

966
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: At what point did you realize that the magic elixir

967
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: ancient Alexir was actually just the empty I actually.

968
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 3: Found out because people it had got a few different

969
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 3: people knew where he got it from. He actually got

970
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 3: it from someone the formula, and I found out I

971
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 3: was able to connect with this lovely person. She is

972
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 3: really a lovely human being and very humble, you know,

973
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 3: and she just let me know, she's like, you know,

974
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 3: it's I asked her, you know, because because people would

975
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 3: there was some talk about how there was DMT and

976
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, DMT. I never heard that word. What is

977
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: dm D I didn't know what it was. I never

978
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 3: heard anyone say that the whole time I was there,

979
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 3: And I asked, and she said, yeah, it's filled with DMT,

980
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 3: and it's never disclosed.

981
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: DMT is one of the most disissosed of like intense

982
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: drugs on the planet Earth.

983
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 3: So hallucinogenic, right, you have hallucinations. You can really destabilize

984
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 3: very easily when you're taking that. It's no joke. It's

985
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 3: nothing to play with by any means. I can't emphasize

986
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 3: this enough because now the phrase is all about, you know, psychedelics,

987
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: and and I just want people to know, like you're

988
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: not going to find freedom through a psychedelic you know.

989
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 3: People think they're gonna have this like I'm going to

990
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 3: meet God and I'm going to be God. And maybe temporarily,

991
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 3: I mean I had some temporarily high highs, Like there

992
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 3: are a couple of times where I thought I was

993
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 3: like hurcules, you know, No, your body has to catch

994
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 3: up with that. And when it does, like when you

995
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 3: touch ground, it's tough.

996
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 2: Well, And I think the larger takeaway for me from

997
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: this is that people were being given drugs that they

998
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: didn't know what they were, and there were older people

999
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: there who were maybe not in a great state of health, people.

1000
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 3: Who had never taken drugs, including me.

1001
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 2: I mean, that's incredibly dangerous and irresponsible.

1002
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

1003
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 2: The reason I said earlier that DMT is short lived

1004
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: is because my understanding is the full high of DMT

1005
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 2: would typically be less than an hour. So it makes

1006
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: me wonder if they were adding something else in it too,

1007
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: if it was lasting all of that time.

1008
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 4: Ayahuasca ish something.

1009
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 3: That is fascinating. I actually did not know that, and

1010
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 3: I definitely was having the experience for a good, like

1011
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 3: solid six hours, like I was going strong. Yeah, so

1012
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 3: that's interesting.

1013
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like notably a short, shorter high,

1014
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 2: but ayahuasca is longer, and that's fucked up.

1015
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 4: That's just fucked up. You don't just get people drugs

1016
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 4: and well.

1017
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 3: And the worst part about it too, is not only

1018
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 3: are they, you know, giving people hall loose cinogens, but

1019
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 3: they make you believe it's all you you know what

1020
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 3: I mean, Like they make you believe that it's because

1021
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 3: of all your karma and all your karma from past lives.

1022
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: And one time he said, you know, because some people

1023
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 3: have like really great experiences, like some people are like

1024
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 3: I saw angels and rainbows and it was just so wonderful,

1025
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 3: and you know, and I had really difficult you know,

1026
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 3: some people, most people have challenging experiences. But he said, uh,

1027
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 3: you know, you just don't know the work that the

1028
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 3: people who have good experiences. You don't know how hard

1029
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 3: they worked in previous lines.

1030
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I hate them so much, so much.

1031
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also just want to circle back to

1032
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 2: the diet because that is also an incredibly dangerous.

1033
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 4: Thing to be doing.

1034
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: To make to control people's diet in the first place,

1035
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 2: don't do it very bad, but particularly when you're telling

1036
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: them to be on an only fruit diet.

1037
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 4: I mean, people have died from an only fruit diet.

1038
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 3: People have died, Yes, that is correct.

1039
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: So these things, I hope that they face consequences for

1040
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: their actions at some point. The cult has sort of

1041
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 2: gone underground, now, right.

1042
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: That's correct. I don't know. I haven't. I couldn't tell

1043
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 3: you what's going on there. It's very insular. Yeah, yeah, really,

1044
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 3: there hasn't been any social media or anything.

1045
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1046
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 3: My concern I am. You know, I am still concerned

1047
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 3: about the people there like I do. These people were

1048
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 3: my friends, and I just want that message really clear,

1049
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: is that you know, I've come out because I do

1050
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: care about them like I was in that place, and

1051
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 3: I care and I just hope that they are well.

1052
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you weren't ready until you were when

1053
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: other people were talking about it. And hopefully you sharing

1054
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: your story as much as you have been when somebody

1055
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 2: is ready, it will help them, help nudge them out

1056
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: as well. I mean, you know, you're doing the work,

1057
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 2: so that's.

1058
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: Great, and that's creating a really good karma for your

1059
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: next life.

1060
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 3: Thank you for balancing that narrative.

1061
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 5: How is how is life now?

1062
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 2: Are you? Like?

1063
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 5: How are you rebuilding?

1064
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 3: You know, I've I've had to take it very slow.

1065
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 3: You know. There were times, you know, there were times

1066
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 3: where I didn't realize like how de the how like

1067
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 3: deep that went in my psyche, you know, and I

1068
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 3: just thought I could just get over it and just

1069
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 3: move on. And you know, there is the thing about

1070
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 3: cult hopping. People will call hop and but that just

1071
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 3: I knew I couldn't do that, Like I just it

1072
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 3: was so complete for me and so deep for me,

1073
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 3: and I've just been spending a lot of time in nature,

1074
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 3: and there's a few people that have stuck by me

1075
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 3: and they know who they are, and thank thankfully for them.

1076
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 3: And and some some good support, definitely some good support,

1077
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 3: high integrity, high integrity people. There are only a few

1078
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 3: though there's not many. I gotta be honest, and yeah,

1079
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 3: but you know, it's like it's like people need to know.

1080
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 3: It's like, take your time, take your time because it's

1081
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 3: not linear. You think you've gotten over it, and other

1082
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 3: things come through, and and uh, you could even use

1083
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 3: the same teachings right like it were if we're eternal.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're eternal beings. So okay, now I'm okay,

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Speaker 3: thank you. You've taken me into another realm.

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Speaker 5: Here we're eternal beings, so take your time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like take your time, and and just know that

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Speaker 3: I think the biggest like I said, like that rage

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Speaker 3: was important, and and also that that it's it's not linear,

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Speaker 3: and that you there there is life on the other

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Speaker 3: side and as hard as it as hard as it

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Speaker 3: it can be, it can be very hard. Uh that

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Speaker 3: you know, people show up like you look at you two,

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Speaker 3: I'm talking to you too. And this this is exciting

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Speaker 3: for me.

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Speaker 4: Oh you're exciting for us.

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Speaker 1: You've made such amazing I mean, you've made such amazing points.

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Speaker 1: You have such an incredible story. It really a heartbreaking story.

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Speaker 1: I am so impressed with how strong you are. I

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Speaker 1: am my heart is broken for everybody still in that community.

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Speaker 1: I I don't way this one really got punched me.

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Speaker 1: They all do, but this one in particular, it's just wow, wow, because.

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Speaker 4: It's one that you would join, because it's.

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Speaker 1: One that I would join, and because like I mean

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Speaker 1: to be giving like older people.

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Speaker 4: Damn t it's like you it of course people.

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Speaker 1: Are going to mental institutions, like yeah, that's a huge deal,

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Speaker 1: huge deal.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, it's just that I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: And then the way they would work their team, I

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Speaker 3: just I wanted to give a shout out to. I

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Speaker 3: mean the way that the team worked that was another

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Speaker 3: big red flag is like they were doing everything for them.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean everything. It was like you know,

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Speaker 3: and they were just it was just pure like devotion,

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Speaker 3: you know, devotion to to the Guru. And you know,

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Speaker 3: one guy had cut off his family so callously, like

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Speaker 3: he cut off like all his friends everybody he knew

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Speaker 3: to a point where they reported him missing. Wow, because

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Speaker 3: they couldn't find and these were close friends. There's not

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Speaker 3: acquaintances like close friends, you know people that yeah, very

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Speaker 3: close and they couldn't find anyone to verify where he was,

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Speaker 3: and he just he was with you know, He's devoted

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Speaker 3: his life to them.

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Speaker 1: So these are kind of people living on the compound

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Speaker 1: that are I'm using quotations air quotes that are like

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Speaker 1: personal assistants to God them and work twenty four hours

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Speaker 1: a day doing all of their social media, all of

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Speaker 1: their very mother God Love has won that doc. It

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Speaker 1: reminds me of them a lot. Yeah, they're just doing

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Speaker 1: busy work, social media, working.

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Speaker 3: On everything, you know, all of the Yeah, I mean with.

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Speaker 2: Labor, it's labor exploitations.

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Speaker 3: It's it's extreme. Actually, you know because I actually worked

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Speaker 3: for the Department Labor, so I was very sensitive to that.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, and because that was a red flag too,

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Speaker 3: because I'm like, I signed up for a Golden Age community,

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Speaker 3: you know, where we're all supposed to be like equal,

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Speaker 3: and then I'm watching like I had I felt like

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Speaker 3: I needed, even though I gave like almost nine thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars for the week long retreat. Like I felt like

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Speaker 3: I needed to like help them out because you could

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01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 3: just see the stress and the pressure and the amount

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Speaker 3: of work that they were putting on them. That's so awful.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything that you are grateful for from the experience,

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Speaker 2: or like any takeaways that you feel have helped you in.

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Speaker 4: Some way learning what you've learned.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a fair question. I haven't really been asked that,

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Speaker 3: And there are things. I mean, I learned a lot.

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Speaker 3: I mean honestly, I learned a lot and not just yes,

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Speaker 3: I definitely learned to discern and I learned discretion and

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01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 3: it just flipped over all of my spiritual beliefs just

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Speaker 3: like upside down. But I think, you know, because of that,

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Speaker 3: in a way, there's a silver lining, because like it

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01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 3: allowed me to forgive myself, you know, because like wow,

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Speaker 3: like if these people in authority, like all my life,

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Speaker 3: like I've been listening to teachers and authority figures shaming me,

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Speaker 3: making me feel like I'm a bad person for whatever,

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Speaker 3: and like wow, if they're not like they're not perfect,

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Speaker 3: Like these supposedly people at authority are definitely not perfect. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, you forgive yourself but you realize, okay, like

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Speaker 3: we're we we can kind of let ourselves off the

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Speaker 3: hook to And you know, I did appreciate meeting the

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Speaker 3: community as well. You know, it's tough. It's tough meeting community.

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Speaker 3: And that was was a community, and I learned a

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Speaker 3: lot from the people there, and there was definitely, yeah,

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Speaker 3: there was definitely lots of little little silver linings. They

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Speaker 3: did say some things that were true. Right, it's always

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Speaker 3: truth and lies. Yeah, of course if there was nothing good,

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Speaker 3: you would never you never go into it, right, So

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Speaker 3: so yeah, there were some good things.

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Speaker 5: Some hidden nuggets of knowledge. And then yeah.

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Speaker 3: And also just mainly you know, coming like like what

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Speaker 3: I've seen the two of you. Your theme is really

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Speaker 3: kind of like finding your own voice. So if that

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Speaker 3: was probably the biggest silver lining is I feel like

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Speaker 3: I'm finding my own voice and I really didn't have that.

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Speaker 4: So well, I'm so glad you haven't that you've shared

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Speaker 4: it with us.

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Speaker 5: Me too.

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Speaker 1: I keep hearing that Bridesmaids quote when she's like, never

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Speaker 1: trust anyone, but.

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Speaker 4: You should put that int.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this story is incredible. You're incredible. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us. This has been so interesting.

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Speaker 6: And if.

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Speaker 4: People wanted to find you. Is that something you want or.

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Speaker 3: No, Yeah, you can find me on substack. I am

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Speaker 3: writing that Demetri m dot substack dot com. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: every once in a while I'll write something on there

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Speaker 3: if I feel inspired.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, great, awesome, Well thank you so much. Yes,

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Speaker 4: thank you.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, thank you. And I just want to

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Speaker 3: encourage you to keep doing what you're doing because I

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Speaker 3: just you really, the two of you really bring a

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Speaker 3: creative blair to this space that's really refreshing, really nice.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and that's where we're leaving that interview today. We

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Speaker 2: are so grateful to Dimitria for reaching out to us

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Speaker 2: and for coming on the show. We did talk a

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Speaker 2: little bit about this in our outro last week by

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Speaker 2: but yeah, I don't think that this particular brand of

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01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: online well initially online cult is something that I would join.

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01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 4: But I certainly think.

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Speaker 2: That a version of this Again, like I said, you

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01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 2: get a taste of one thing that you like. It

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Speaker 2: seems interesting, it seems useful, so you just keep buying

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01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 2: more like that. Definitely susceptible to my interests. Just happened

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Speaker 2: to be in other realms. Although, as I spoke about

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Speaker 2: in the intro last week, I am feeling some spiritual

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Speaker 2: hunger and some openness to, you know, new kinds of

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Speaker 2: rituals that maybe I would scoff at in the past.

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Speaker 2: And I still am scoffing a little bit. But you

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Speaker 2: need something to get you through an existence that is

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Speaker 2: so often painful and so often full of things that make.

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Speaker 4: Us feel bad.

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Speaker 2: It would be nice to have some reprieve in some community. Okay, od,

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Speaker 2: it's all I'm gonna say, y'all, Thanks so much for

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Speaker 2: joining us this week, Stay tuned, come back next week.

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Speaker 2: really appreciate it. As always, remember to follow your gut,

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Speaker 2: watch out for red flags, and never ever trust me.

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Speaker 3: Bye.

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