1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news bumper results from UBS. 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,159 Speaker 1: The share is currently up seven point eight percent, this 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: after the Zurich based Lander return to profit after two 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: loss making quarters. The robust set of results will be 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: abuse for the CEO, Sergio er Mootti, as he grapples 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: with a tightening regulatory outlook in Switzerland, and he's been 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: speaking to Bloomberg TV's Francine Laqua and Motty began by 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: highlighting the strength recently in the bank's performance. 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: Well, very please with the governmentum we start the year. 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: I think that first of all, we are making very 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: good progress on our integration plans, but also it was 12 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: great to see a very strong return on the profitability, 13 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: both on a reported basis but also a very strong 14 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: underlying profits. We also see good momentum with clients with 15 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: inflows across our businesses, and our capital is strong, so 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: allowing us to continue to pursue our. 17 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: Capital return plans. 18 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 4: And also the investment bank was actually quite strong, better 19 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 4: than expected. Again, what does it tell you about you know, 20 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 4: what you can see in the future. Is it a 21 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 4: one off or actually is a path ahead better? 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 2: Actually, it's a good momentum. You May remember in the 23 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 2: four quarter we also had a very strong performance in banking. 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: As we integrate a new colleagues from credits Wich on 25 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: our platform, we start to see the pipeline developing we 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: are able to execute and so it's very much aligned 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: with our expectations of improving the mix between our markets 28 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: business and our banking business in the investment bank. 29 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 4: So in the investment bank where you see the bigges strength. 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 4: I know we also heard about possible you know job 31 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 4: losses in Asia. Is Asia at the moment weaker than 32 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 4: for example, parts of the US and investment bank. 33 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: No, I think that we reinforced our franchises globally. I 34 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: think that, of course we are still going through across 35 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: the entire bank. We are still a lot of work 36 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: to be done to restructure the businesses and to bring 37 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 2: them back into even stronger profitability. 38 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 3: So I think that is a good momentum. 39 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 2: We achieve almost a ten percent return on CIT one, 40 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: which is still a third or fifty percent away from 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: our final targets, so still work to be done. We 42 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: always say that twenty twenty four is an important year, 43 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 2: and as we now approach the end of May, we're 44 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: going to execute on our legal entity mergers, which allow 45 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 2: us to unlock in the future further cost savings. 46 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 4: An important year twenty twenty four, because it's also more 47 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 4: difficult year to twenty twenty three. 48 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: No, because is. 49 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 2: More First of all, we have two huge milestones, the 50 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: merger of our legal entities and the second one we 51 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: start to do the migration of clients from the credit 52 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 2: switch platforms into the UBS platforms. So this is very technical, 53 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: still requires a lot of support and people to do that. 54 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: But as we start to do that, we can unlock 55 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 2: some cost savings, but also unlock capital savings, funding savings, 56 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: and therefore you know, achieving our final targets to achieve 57 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: thirteen billions of savings by the end of twenty twenty 58 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: six forty. 59 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 3: This year we do. 60 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: Expect half of that being achieved, so six and a 61 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: half billions. 62 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 4: So when you look at global wealth, I mean the 63 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 4: outlook talks about interest rate cuts. Again, how do you 64 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 4: worry about, you know, things that are outside your control, well. 65 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: Things that aretside our control. You know, we always need 66 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: to wonder what can. 67 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: Happen on the geopolitical front, what can happen on any 68 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: sudden change in the macroeconomic pictures. 69 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: So I think that. 70 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: We do indeed a factor in our outlook for NII. 71 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: For example, three rate cuts in the US cup, two 72 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: rate cuts in Switzerland. 73 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: This can change. 74 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: If it changes, may be beneficiary to our NII, but 75 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: maybe the underlying macroeconomic event is not so positive. So 76 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 2: you know, we need to always assess well, we are 77 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: prepared for any scenario. 78 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 3: We stay focused on executing on our plan. 79 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: But also we have you know, a balance sheet for 80 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: all seasons, allowing us to really manage any any unexpected event. 81 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 4: So when you look at market volatility, it's a little 82 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 4: bit unusual to see as much market volatility or even 83 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 4: pricing on the fact how do you describe. 84 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: The markets, Well, it's a kind of market volatility around 85 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 2: bonds and ten years. But if I look on effects, 86 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: I look at equities many other anset classes, the volatility 87 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: is not there. 88 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 3: It's more subdute. We saw more client. 89 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 2: Activity, but let's not forget that there is a little 90 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: bit of seasonality factor in the first quarter, so we 91 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: need to really see how in the next quarter things 92 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: are going to play out. We have to remember that 93 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: we are still facing in the in the in the 94 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: foreseable future, big elections coming, and how this is going 95 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 2: to then play out into the sentiment of clients. 96 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 3: Still still open and that will be very regionally. 97 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 4: Again, if you look at pipelines you see a difference. 98 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, very originally, but you know nowadays things in every 99 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 2: region can affect others, so I think that. 100 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 3: Things are quite fluid. 101 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 4: Is Europe weaker than the rest of the world. 102 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 3: Well, Europe is still not growing. 103 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,239 Speaker 2: If I look at our businesses, of course, it's still 104 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: somehow clear that the real growth is mainly driven by 105 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: the US, and and and Asia. I'm also very pleased 106 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: with our performance in Switzerland. But when I look at 107 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: Europe in general, is still not so constructive. 108 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 4: I mean there you know, talks about possible of course 109 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 4: integration or em and A of banks in Spain. I 110 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 4: don't know whether you see yourself as kind of like 111 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 4: the original M and A for different reasons. What are 112 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 4: you expecting of a consolidation wave. 113 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: I continue to. 114 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: Think that it's over time, is going to be is 115 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 2: necessary to see more consolidation in the European banking We 116 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 2: may be seen as a playbook or a reference point 117 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: going forward on how to merge two larger banks. But 118 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: eventually what we've see right now in Spain at least 119 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: is a scenario which you go through first mainly domestic consolidation, 120 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 2: and this is a prerequisite later on maybe to expand 121 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: this into a more European framework. Now, in order to 122 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 2: do that, you need to have a banking union model. 123 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: You need also some regulatory and it's not even regulatory, 124 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 2: I would say, it's political decisions about how Europe wants 125 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: to see its financial markets and banking. 126 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: Markets being managed. 127 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: But over time, in order to stay competitive visa VI, 128 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: non banking financial institutions, to stay competitive visa VI, new 129 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: entrants that are not necessarily just banks, banks do need 130 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: to create economy of skills so that they can invest 131 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: and stay relevant to their clients. 132 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: So that was the CEO of UBS, Sergio or Maati, 133 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: speaking there to Bloomberg's Francin Laqua after the bank's latest 134 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: results out this morning showing that return to profit after 135 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: two loss making quarters. 136 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 4: They discussed there, of course the strength and the wealth 137 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 4: managements and the investment bank. This as the bank has 138 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 4: been signaling that it has another one point three billion 139 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 4: dollars worth of costs linked to the integration of credit 140 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 4: Suite in the second quarter,