WEBVTT - Behind The Scene with Max Adler 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.240 Hey, listeners, Please note that today's episode contains topics surrounding 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:08.320 suicide that some people may find disturbing, and if you 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:11.319 are someone you know are struggling, call or text nine 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:14.800 to eight eight for the National Suicide Prevention Hotline. 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:19.400 And That's what You Really Missed with Jenna. 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.040 And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:29.440 Welcome to and That's what You're Really miss podcast. Hello Kevin, Hello, 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:36.080 Today we have a great one serious one. We are 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:41.360 talking to Max Adler about his performance in season three, 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.279 episode fourteen on My Way. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:48.360 About being bullied and then being driven to a very 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:52.319 dark place, and hearing about how he got there, how 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:54.760 he prepped, how what the filming of it was like, 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.640 all of that, things that we have not been privy to. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.000 I'm very fascinated to know all that, and I hope 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:06.720 this is illuminating and informative for all those Glee fans 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:12.640 who know this episode and know these scenes and the 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:17.120 seriousness and great performance that he gave. 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:21.319 Yeah, oh, we had to bring you back for this episode. 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:28.319 We just recapped it. But your performance was so I 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:32.679 don't even know the word. It was really compelling, really 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.120 well done, just really beautiful, and so we wanted to 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.520 talk to you about the making. 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:42.440 Of Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate that 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:43.440 very much. Thank you. 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.319 Yes, the whole time I was thinking too, Like last 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:50.600 time we talked, we really got to start the conversation 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:55.120 of how serious of a trained you know, you're trained 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.440 actor and you're coming into the show and getting like 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.760 heavy things in the part of coming in not knowing 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.400 when you're going to be back, that whole thing. Yeah, 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.640 but every time you come in like casual super Bowl episode, 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.919 gigantic episode for you, and you come to get this episode, 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.639 which is a competition, there's the quinn of it all. 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:22.560 But you then have again this huge standout moment like 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.440 you never come in just to say a line or two, 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:30.800 and like it started like a slush, but you showed 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.040 too much. You showed how good you were and they're like, okay. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:34.959 You exposed yourself. 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.520 I was like, yeah, well, if you're going to expose yourself, 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:39.040 that's the. 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.000 Way it exactly. 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.760 So take us through this this process of when you 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.880 got this script. Was there any sort of call from 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:52.720 anyone to be like, hey, I mean, yeah, I know 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:57.040 I'm assuming not no, but I'm really just interested from 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:58.920 like I really like to get into this from like 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.760 the acting standpoint, like how you got into this? 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:07.560 Yeah, well I worked on the role a lot, you know, 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.320 with my acting coach, and obviously a lot of like 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:14.760 Fro've never been kissed really on I really kind of, 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.760 you know, figured that this is pretty dark, like this 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.760 guy is, you know, closeted and dealing with the Midwest 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.440 and the family and the friends and the football team, 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.919 and you know it's it's pretty pretty bad and pretty 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.240 scary and pretty brutal. And then you know, at that 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.600 time in the world there was actually tons of cyber 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:37.080 bullying happening and suicides and Jamie Roademmeier and I mean 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.360 I met his family at like the Glad Awards, and 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.080 I remember, you know, Ellen was talking about it in 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.840 interson Cooper and I was like, Froski is like going there, 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:46.760 but you know, they're never going to go there on. 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.200 A Fox show and like a comedy, like, no way 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:50.240 are they going to do that. 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.320 But like, I'm going to play it like that because 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.200 that's kind of how I feel like doing it justice 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:57.600 and kind of grounded and kind of gives me like 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.840 this you know, little secret that I'm like hiding, you know, 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.600 while I'm filming, and then I got the call from 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:05.400 Darren actually I think it was Darren who got the 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.080 script before me, and was like, dude, like, have you 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:09.000 seen the script? 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:10.040 And I was like, no, not yet. 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.760 He was like, I'm like peruising it like I'm on set, 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.800 but like something like you're like killing yourself and I'm 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:16.479 like singing to you. 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:18.600 I'm like what, like what what? 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:21.280 And so that was like the first time that I 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.480 heard there was you know, that was like a suicide attempt. 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:25.720 And then I got the script and then. 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.240 Again I was just kind of like thankful because I 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:30.240 was like, good that they're they're going there. 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:31.000 I thought it was brave. 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:34.080 I thought it was you know, genuine to the character 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:38.800 and representative, representative representing what people are actually going through 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.159 and struggling with. And I knew again, you know, a 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:42.600 lot of weight on my shoulders and had a big 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:46.520 responsibility to do it right. And I remember talking to 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.400 Brad Vieker like in a golf cart outside at night 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.480 for like an hour and a half before we went 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:55.800 into film. Amazing, Yeah, and just like really getting into 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.560 that mindset and like being vulnerable with each other and 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:00.960 talking about you know, like shitting days we've had and 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.840 like dark moments and dark times and just like how 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:05.799 you can just like you stare up at the ceiling 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.200 and like get lost like for hours and like your 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.600 mind just goes to dark places. And then that's when 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:12.400 he like got the production design team to like put 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.800 the airplanes up there and kind of like give that 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:16.880 like I would just like, you know, stare off and 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.360 like you know, go down the dark spirals and he 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:21.359 kind of yeah, he just. 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.440 Let me do my thing, and. 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:26.560 You know, and then yeah, the guy playing my dad, 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.880 Daniel Roebuck, was an incredible actor, and I just remember 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:30.360 him like streaming my name and. 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.480 Just like the emotion in his voice. 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:34.719 And you know, the most powerful thing to me is 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:36.880 like when you know anyone you're on set, like there's 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:38.839 like like the Burly crew guys and like the boom 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:40.520 up like gives you like that nod and he's. 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:41.520 Kind of fears and. 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:43.960 He was like, you know, he's like yeah, like that 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.120 was the stuff, like oh ship, like okay, like this 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:47.640 nothing I did something. 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.160 Good you know to get to get the boom oup nod. 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.159 So yeah, and I know, I think they put like 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.960 the Trevor Project hotline you know, or the National Suicide 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.920 Prevention Hotline at the end, and I just was so touched. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:01.960 I remember like the calls like they said, you know, 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:03.680 it's spikes. Like right after that episode, it was like 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:05.680 it went up like eighty percent people were you know, 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:07.080 calling for help. 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.320 So you know, yeah, incredible, incredible experience. 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:16.920 Must have made you feel like you were representing, like 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.760 you said, being a role model to hear the response 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:24.039 of people actually reaching out and asking for help, right. 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:25.880 Well, yeah, because like the whole thing is like you're 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.560 trying to make a difference and save lives and you know, 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.000 show people that there is hope or you know, you 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.640 see one person like you know, when when Chris Sculfer 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.320 is talking to me in the hospital, it's just like 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:40.400 just you know, it also shows people that if they're 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:44.200 there for the person in trouble, you could save a life. 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.440 And I thought that was a big thing feedback from 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.120 too of like you know, if you're worried about someone, 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.719 like do reach out, like don't hesitate, like you know, 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:53.880 talk to them, ask if they're okay, let them know 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.640 you're there, give them that kind of you know, open 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:00.200 line of communication, because like that could save a life. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:01.520 And so yeah, I thought there's a lot of lessons 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:02.680 that came out of the episode. 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:05.880 And you know, yeah, to this day, I still get people, 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:10.440 you know, thanking me for being alive and portraying that 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.760 role and you know, patching things up with their family 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.560 or having their parents see them in a new light 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.720 and just like, yes, it's it's pretty powerful. 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:22.200 So yeah, I mean that montage with you in the 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:27.000 actual attempt scene with in tandem Darren singing coughs here? 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:31.600 Had you listen to that song previous to shooting and 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:35.360 previous to it airing? Did you know that song? 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.360 I didn't know this song. I can't remember. Maybe I 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:39.080 listened to it. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.720 I didn't listen to Darren's version, you know, I didn't 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:47.119 see But yeah, watching that was incredible too, and getting 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:48.960 brad with the editing, like you know, like the spot 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.880 that I watched it again recently and is you know, 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:53.520 I like to when like the drum hits and I 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:55.400 slammed the laptop and the drum hits and I hit it. 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.800 I was like, gosh, so really, you know, you say, 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.880 every every moment is like and impactful. And Darren's performing, 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:03.520 I mean, he's just you know, his face is you know, 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.800 filled with passion and his movie like he's just he's 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.880 giving everything and so you know he always does, and 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.400 I knew I had to match that, and so yeah, 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:15.440 that's a you know, an amazing montage. And I just think, like, again, Brad, 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.880 like you know, seeing that word, you know, fag on 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.600 the locker and being around all those background actors like 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.040 I it's like you feel it. You walk into the 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:26.800 room and you're just like with a bunch of like 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.480 imposing dudes looking at you. And I was I was like, yeah, 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.880 there's like no acting required, like you're you're just you're 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.040 in this place of like you know, awkwardness and vulnerability. 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:39.079 And then against Brad's choice to like slow that down 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.240 and just kind of like you know, see like the 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:46.480 world coming out from underneath karossity. Yeah, I'm just something 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.880 I'm very very proud of. It's it was a it 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.040 was a cool moment. I think it was executed, you know, 0:08:51.080 --> 0:09:02.439 really well by the whole team Dream Team. 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.120 Are you someone that can walk away at the end 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.080 of the day or after filming one of those scenes 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:10.960 and shake it and be you know, leave it on 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:15.080 this sound stage or doing something I've never had to 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.400 do something that intense, and I think like doing something 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.920 that intense, I feel like it might be hard for 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.839 some people to just shake go home to your normal, right. 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.439 It was harder life leading up to it because as 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.240 as you know, like you know, there's so much waiting 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:30.760 in the trailer on that set, and it was the 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.600 thing where I was like, you know, called in at 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.600 like eleven am, but didn't shoot until like eight pm. 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.600 And so it's like that was like the exhausting thing 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.080 of like just staying in this like place like never 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:42.920 knowing like when that non comes and. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:46.240 You have to go, like you know, because you're always. 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.319 Just right there on the edge ready to do it until. 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.040 You get to we're ready for you. I was like, oh, 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:52.559 you know, so like you're waiting for like hours and 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:53.839 it's like lunch and it's like, you know, I'm like 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:54.920 do I do I fall asleep? 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:55.320 Like do it? 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:55.480 You know? 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:56.320 Do I make a call? 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.840 Like listening probably two explosions in the sky or like 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.800 Trickter or some kind of like you know, said music 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:05.800 and just like yeah, it was like it was exhaust 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.920 I remember like being exhausted going to film that because 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.480 I was just like in this place and like trying 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.840 to like keep the energy and then like the nerves 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:14.920 of like I have to do that. 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.040 You know, you have one shot to like get it right. 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.120 Are there going to be tears? Am I gonna cry? 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:20.360 Is it going to be believable? 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:20.600 Like? 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.239 Am I going to represent? Am I gonna leave disappointed? 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.719 And then I remember like feeling really good about it, 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:28.679 So I actually was able to shake. 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:29.880 I was it was like the thing of like. 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.160 Just like this release, I was like this like you know, 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.560 guitartists driving home of like blasting like fun you know, 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.760 like happy music, and just like like like yeah, like 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.600 I think I just crushed that, and like I'm like 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.400 I can like let it go and like I feel 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.480 good and like, you know, however, it turns out like 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.320 I think I gave it my all and like I 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.240 was prepared and that kind of thing. So it's actually 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.080 easier to shake, but like yeah, like the builds up 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.120 to it, it was like yeah, it's like so so hard, 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.680 and then you know it's like even in between takes 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.360 is hard because you know it's like make a pairs, 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:02.640 like so what are you doing this weekend? 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:04.960 And I'm like no, no, like you know, like just 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:05.840 don't please, you know. 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:06.959 So I was like that, I'm like want to be 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:08.840 nice to everyone, but it was like that was like 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:10.800 a thing where I'm like like no, just please, you know, 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.360 don't don't talk to me like please, you know. So 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.719 there's like that awkwardness. But luckily I remember, like the 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.480 set was just like my room, and so it was 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:19.679 kind of just I would just like go in the 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:23.240 room and just like sit there and wait until all again. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:24.920 Everyone was really respectful. 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.800 And yeah, so yeah, I was kind of able to 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:31.480 shake it afterwards, but leading up was scary and intimidating. 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:33.400 And again, you know at that at that point in 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.360 the show, there's a lot of eyeballs on. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.079 That show, you know, and so I was like, oh man, 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.800 this could go either way. So it was like the 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:41.160 nerves and like I have to deliver. 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:49.880 I also think that scene, the scene, right, it was 0:11:49.920 --> 0:12:00.960 also a testament to the actual suicide scene, the attempted scene. Yeah, 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:06.280 It's one of those things that again shows how powerful 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.960 when used the right way, how music paired with a 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.959 storyline like this can be even more impactful. And having 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.800 Darren sing that song the way he was, like you said, 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:21.440 how he was performing it with your performance and the 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:27.520 weight of that was really just so powerful, powerful thing 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:31.880 and it was like such the correct music selection, yes 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:37.360 for that and having Beaker. I think it's and we've 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.760 talked about this for years now about how that set 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:41.920 was crazy and you're shooting a lot, you're doing music 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.400 videos every day, and it's so nice to hear that 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.600 he spent a time and a half with you being 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:51.760 able to talk through that because that, I think, as 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.280 an actor and as a director is so helpful to 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:57.720 inform what both of you are doing and therefore like 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:01.439 what everybody else is then feeling shooting it and then 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.200 what we're feeling watching it, and I it's such a 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.160 gift be able to have find that time to do that. 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.120 Yeah, and like to command that kind of you know, 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.240 the respect amongst the crew that he would command and 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.720 like you know, like, yeah, everyone take this seriously, like 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.120 be quiet, Like it was like a very like you. 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.080 Know, we're not we're not playing around now, like this 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:21.240 is a serious moment. 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.880 And again, yeah, like just for him to share things 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.199 that he shared with me, And I was like looking 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:27.760 over here because there was a there's like a plaque 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.720 but him and I I'm trying to find where it is. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:31.880 But him and I got invited actually for like three 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:36.680 years after that episode air to Sacramento to this like 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.880 event called like Directing Change, and it was like all 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.000 these high schools from all over the nation that were 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:47.320 filming short films about mental health awareness and raising awareness 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.679 about stigmas. And him and I were like invited, you 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.000 know with like all the politicians of the state, and 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.960 you know we were up there doing that because yeah, 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.560 like that that episode had a lot of impact, So yeah, 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.959 he really want the perfect guy. And honestly, it's weird 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.960 because it's like now I hear it and it's all 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:06.960 I can think about is is you know, the show 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.839 and the scene, but it's strange things. 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.880 I feel like if you heard it on you know, 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:13.880 on its own, it's like not. 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:15.960 Really a sad song, right, it's kind of like pumped 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:17.880 up and like you know, like you're you're moving or grooving, 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:19.760 and but it's like, yeah, something about again just that 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:22.880 the montage and the way Darren did it and the 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.440 lighting and and you know, and then cutting to me, 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.040 but like like a bold choice, like and I don't 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:29.760 know how they ended up choosing that. 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:30.800 I didn't either. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.600 I mean because I was a big fan of that 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:37.920 song before going in and it's completely reframed. Yeah, I 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.600 viewed that. I'm like, oh, that is crazy that you 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:44.520 can just switch how a song feels to you after 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.360 you've heard it and enjoyed it and been a fan 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:47.920 of it, right, and you hear it. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.760 Differently, right, like lyricly like Life's Too Short, like costs 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:52.800 Europe going to be like oh man, like this is 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:55.160 it kind of hits differently now, you know. 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.480 It reminded me on a much different level. But when 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.160 we first start of the show and the I think, 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.360 do you know what I'm gonna say, Jenna, like keep 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.720 holding on was like the first like emotional sort of 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.440 thing we did, and it was like an Avril Avine song. 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:12.600 I'm like, this is fine, yeah, like I love this 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:17.800 song and we shot it and like, oh, this feels 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.720 this is a song I've lived with for ages and 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.720 now this feels very different. And that was sort of 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.160 the starting point for all of us to realize how 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:31.000 the music could evoke those emotions in this and. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:35.360 Drive like a focus of emotion. Yeah, exactly what. 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.920 I feel about. What was it? Like the Florence and 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:42.840 the Machine song that she's like a propella about like. 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:47.920 I hear that now and I like, you know, get 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:51.240 emotional thinking about that, so totally. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.000 Yeah, it was also something about like Blaine singing it, 0:15:55.040 --> 0:16:00.920 the character Blaine singing it while Kowski is attempting this thing. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:06.920 Was also just like a really beautiful and poetic yes moment. 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:08.960 There's just so many layers to that scene. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:09.520 Yeah. 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:11.520 And then again, yeah, the scene was Chris in the hospital, 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.840 like my recovery was also the same same thing, like 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:18.720 you was just I love that scene. Yeah, I was like, man, 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.000 it was like, you know, he's just he's so good 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.040 and brought it. And again the same kind of thing, 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.840 just like you know, we wouldn't talk in between takes 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:27.600 and he would just come in and we would cry 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.320 and you know you're staying in that place. 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.040 But yeah, I just I love that scene. I love 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:33.720 the whole episode. 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:37.160 You and Chris had such dynamic scenes together. It started 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:41.800 from you, you know, bullying him and you know, beating 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.680 him to him. You guys crying in a hospital room 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:47.480 saying like I love you and I'm going to be 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.200 there for you and I'm going to help you through this. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:53.360 It's a it's a really beautiful storyline and a beautiful 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:56.200 arc for character, you know, because kind of our our 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.760 relationships other than like you know, the curtain births of 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.640 the world, like they they're so short lived that you 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:06.440 don't get to see those arcs of partners seeing partners 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.760 like you know, Rachel and Finn. We want I wanted 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.280 more of those, but I really do get that with 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.439 Krovski and Kurt, it's really really nice. 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:16.000 Yeah, it's quite it's quite dark. 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:20.400 And again it's like, you know, I just feel like, uh, 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:22.879 you know, to this day, I'm still hearing from people 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:26.119 like you know, I knew a Krowski in high school. 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.080 It's like people are looking at bullies differently, or the 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.520 bully is looking at the person he bullied differently and like. 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:33.680 Apologizing like that. 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:37.720 That Yeah, that that whole storyline and that episode in particular, 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.159 I mean still has like these like ripples through uh 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.240 you know, through society, and it's nuts. 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.919 It's like so crazy. Yeah, I'm still here talking about it. 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:56.960 Do you remember watching the episode for the first time 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:02.440 when it aired. I'm sure nobody showed it to you, Brad. 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:09.840 I think Brad sent me just that suicide montage look 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.280 and I remember I think, did you know. 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.560 You were capable of doing that? And like that stuff? 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:18.399 That's so sweet? 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.679 I was like so touched because I was like, what, 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.000 like I always thought, I like, that's why I moved here, 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.720 like trying to become an actor, Like I know, yeah 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:29.960 I thought I could. Like I'm just thankful like someone 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.840 gave me the opportunity to do it, and you know, 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:34.639 it like worked, I worked. 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:37.359 But I just always remember that beause I thought that 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:37.840 was like so. 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:39.920 Sweet that that he said that and he like showed 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:41.960 me that, and I was I was like, I was, yeah, 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.080 I was pretty proud of that, I know, like honest, 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.720 but yeah, like I was like that turned out like really. 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.760 Well, so yeah, well you're you're so you know, there's 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:52.560 a lot of technicality to your work, a lot of 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.359 craft like a lot of of work that goes into 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:59.320 your process. So it seems like somebody like you and 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.240 maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong, like being 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.960 able to watch your work back. It's all the steps 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.159 in the process that you are seeing those come to 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:12.159 life and come to you know, and read hopefully the 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:16.800 way that you you tried to convey. Whereas you know, 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:18.920 there are people who just throw it to the wall 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:20.639 and are like, oh, I can't watch that because I 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.119 didn't really put in the work, but you do, so 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.720 i'd imagine it's it's sometimes you can like switch those 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:28.840 the way that you watch yourself. 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:33.120 Yeah, I mean, I guess it's like seeing if what 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:36.600 you tried to convey God convey, because I guess when 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.520 you talk about the process or the craft, it's like 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:40.920 I'm not like, you know, nothing crazy, but like it's 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.240 more just about like I go through it and kind 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.600 of like, uh, map out like all my thoughts, you know, 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:48.840 because I remember like one of some acting coach told me, 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:54.840 like feel thoughts, don't think feelings. So it was like 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.840 not you know, don't think like so hurt angry. It 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:00.560 was I feel like, oh my gosh, like my life 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:02.320 is ending, or like oh my god, like this this, 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:04.240 you know, this is the signer of the Facebook, like 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:06.879 you know, my mom's gonna It was like like those 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.040 thoughts and like it'll come across on camera and the 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:11.680 camera sees everything, and so it was one of those 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.400 things like, yeah, like mapping that out of like from 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.880 walking into the room to seeing it on the laptop 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:18.880 to like you know, getting the belt like this suit, 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:19.600 Like what is this guy? 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:21.479 Because there's no words for me, like you know, it's 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.560 like all internally. 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:25.600 So it was like, you know, my script was like 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:29.399 marked up, you know, with like paragraphs and monologues of 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.000 like where his head is at. So it's just kind 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.119 of like watching them to see like did that come across? 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.160 And like, you know, I think it did. But it's 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:38.680 also cool because. 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.960 I feel like everyone could have their own interpretation of 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.800 you know, what they think he's feeling or what they 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:45.639 would be feeling. But you know, like so it's like 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:49.000 that fine line of like having some thought of specificity 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:52.240 but not like showing it too much and like you know, 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:54.520 letting the audience kind of like be able to use 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:56.280 their imagination and go there too, and not. 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:57.560 Like beating them over the head. 0:20:57.680 --> 0:20:59.520 Was like this is what I'm feeling right now, Like 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:00.960 I want you to feel the same thing, you know. 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.320 So yeah, it's like but again, you know, Brad's the man. 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.080 Brad kind of like let's you do a bunch of 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:07.040 different takes and. 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.720 You know, it's just a very safe director, I'd say, right, 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:12.320 I mean. 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.320 Yeah, he had never been kissed too, and I just yeah, 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:16.800 like it's just like one of those you know sometimes 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:18.720 you just find find that guy that. 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.480 Like you just work together really well with and he's 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:21.880 that guy. 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:26.760 So you guys had those both those episodes to like 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:29.639 build the rapport the trust, you know. 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:31.679 Yeah, and you know you know he also too, was 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:34.119 like coming from like editing and you know it was 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:35.880 kind of like in the background during like nip Talk 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:37.119 and all that and like this this. You know, these 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.639 are like big opportunities for him too, So that was nice, 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.880 like someone that's also like has a lot of steak, 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.159 you know, big stakes and like a lot of you know, 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:47.479 shoot in the game to make this work and to 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.080 like prove himself as a director instead of like totally 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:52.680 eric Eric Sults is amazing, but you know something like that, 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:54.800 like he's proven himself right, so like you know, whether 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:57.280 this is a great episode or not, he's still Eric Stultz. 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:01.320 But with Brad, I felt like he was like like. 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.120 You'll get called back to do more episodes. 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.080 So it was like, yeah, everyone's just kind of brought 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:06.960 you know, their a game, I thought for sure. 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:10.640 Yeah, do you remember the initial reaction to after that episode, 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:15.240 like if your friend's family, what people were saying to 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:16.000 you after that ered. 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:19.800 It was more like the Trevor Project impact. You know, 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:25.080 glad I realized have this mug. But like doctor. 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:28.040 Phil, you know, like me on the like doctor Trum like, yeah, 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:32.520 I'm sure you talking about yeah, just like cyber bullying. 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:33.639 And so I was like, all of a sudden, I 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:38.000 was like this, you know, spokesman again for cyber bully. 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:40.240 How did that feel? Because it is a strange thing 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:42.240 to like you're going, you're hired as an actor to 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:45.159 go do this specific storyline. All of a sudden, it's like, 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:47.320 now you're the face of this. 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:49.440 Go speak on right, right. 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:51.280 I mean honored, you know. 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:53.920 Really, I was like I was seriously and I was 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:57.200 talking to people about, you know, what they were going 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.560 through if if you know, they attempted suicide and and 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:02.679 you know, the research of like just that hopelessness of 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:04.399 like there's there's you know, there's nothing to live for, 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:06.720 and there's not anyone that is going to have your 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:08.439 back or listen to you. It's like a you know, 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:12.320 a desperate, terrible feeling. And so yeah, I was like, 0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:14.320 if I'm going to talk about it, you know, let's uh, 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:17.760 let's know what I'm talking about. And and you know, 0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:20.800 do it right and do it justice. And uh but yeah, 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:23.119 because you know at that time, if you remember, like 0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:24.720 you know, twelve years ago, it's like cyber. 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:25.320 Bullyting was kind of new. 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:27.200 It was like this that that thing of like there 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:30.800 was the face to face bullying and uh, you know 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:32.600 it was like I remember, like my coach was the 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:34.320 backin coach is kind of like you know, if you 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.280 get shot by a bullet in person, you know that 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:39.040 that hurts. But like this was like a thing like 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:40.880 you know, bullets are just like hitting you when you're 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.320 not even looking, like you know, the off, the phones off, 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:46.480 and it's like this just this barrage of like comments 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:47.200 and you know. 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:50.400 Posting. It's like yeah, it's like you could you can't 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:51.240 do anything about it. 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:53.280 You know, it's like this paranoia of like when are 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:55.560 they posting where they It's like a terrible, you know, 0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:56.320 terrible feeling. 0:23:56.480 --> 0:23:58.119 And so there was kind of like this. 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:02.520 You know epidemic, I guess of suicides and suicide attempts, 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:04.960 which is heartbreaking because these kids are so young and 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:08.760 you know, and shelter and they have no idea. 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:12.200 You know, there's this whole big world out there that would. 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:14.359 Have accepted them and like they just thought that was 0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:18.760 the end at like twelve or thirteen's heartbreaking. So yeah, 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:20.879 to get to talk about it at that time in 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:23.520 the world was was amazing. And then yeah, it was 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:25.920 like that Fox kind of like you know, I'm like 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.680 Fox setting up interviews and you know, sending the car 0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:31.359 service and you know, driving around all the different There 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:33.440 was like they they like got behind it too, and 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:36.879 yeah it was pretty you know, a pretty amazing moment. 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:40.359 But I was, yeah, I was I was proud to 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.280 do it and I'm glad I got to do it. 0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:45.560 Yeah, I'm glad it was you also who had that 0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:50.160 part and you know that responsibility because as people can tell, 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:53.720 you take these things seriously. You're just like the nicest guy. 0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:55.480 You're not someone who's like I'm just gonna get on 0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:57.680 the show and be famous. I know, I have the 0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:01.400 serious part. I'm going to do it justice, give all 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:04.679 the reality I can to it and lived experience I 0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:06.919 can to it, and talk to people and go on 0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:09.240 all these shows and actually advocate. And so that was 0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:13.720 just I think that we were all lucky to you know, 0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:17.560 be around someone like you who cared this deeply about it. 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:20.080 Yeah, well, thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean 0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:21.720 it was so it was like a dream role. 0:25:21.840 --> 0:25:22.000 You know. 0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:23.600 It's like one of those things like if I saw this, 0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:24.160 you know, in. 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.639 A breakdown, I would like, please, you know, get me 0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:28.639 in probab wouldn't have wouldn't booked it, but like, you know, 0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:30.520 yeah I booked it when it was like two lines, 0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:32.480 you know, I said, talking about what are the super 0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:36.480 cuts or lulla some ridiculous line, you know, slush and 0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:38.680 and uh So it was one of those Yeah, it 0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:41.200 was like a thing where like once they took that 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:45.480 character in that direction, it was a dream role on 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:46.680 a dream show where like. 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:48.000 A dream time. It was like I was like, yeah, 0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:50.000 I have to have to do this right, Like it 0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:51.199 was a crazy opportunity. 0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:51.439 You know. 0:25:59.880 --> 0:26:02.760 I have a question about to go back to that 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.280 scene real quick with you and Chris, because we've seen 0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:09.560 Chris and scenes where he can just sort of like 0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:14.800 switch it on and just be emotional and like how 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:19.760 is he doing this? But this felt different to me 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:23.119 watching it, where it felt like you were both so 0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:27.919 in it at least from a viewer standpoint. Did it 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:31.879 feel sort of like cathartic in any way, because you 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:34.560 had been this bully for so long, for so many 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.720 years on the show, to his character of sitting there, 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:40.320 You're in a hospital bed, You're in a place of vulnerability, 0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:43.680 and this person that you've been beating up on physically 0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:47.800 and emotionally, and obviously it's not Chris, it's Kurt. But 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:51.959 I just like, what was that like to sort of 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.280 sit in that and be in that because obviously it 0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:57.919 takes hours to film these scenes because it was just 0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:01.840 such a nice balance of your guys' work. 0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:05.119 Yeah, Like, but I kind of I think I remember 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:08.960 like kind of like checking out from the role, and 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:11.239 I was actually just like looking at Chris and like 0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:16.120 knowing how hard his life you know, was and is, 0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:18.919 and like you know who he is and where he 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:22.639 grew up and like his experience and kind of like 0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:26.600 just my heartbreaking for him that he couldn't he could 0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:28.800 have been that guy, you know, like he he could 0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.280 have done that and uh and not made it and 0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:33.640 we never the world would never have had this calf, 0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:34.040 you know. 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:36.640 And so I was just like, ah, God, like I'm 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:37.520 gonna start crying, you know. 0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:40.240 I was just just like heartbreaking, like looking at him, 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:42.399 being like, God, you were you were you know, probably 0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:45.800 one of those one of those guys. And also yeah, 0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:47.639 like the fact that he was there, you know, the 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:50.280 character was there for Kurowski like and like the only 0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:53.399 one that was there you know, was just so so 0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:57.280 touching and so sweet and and an amazing arc for 0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:59.959 for the writing of it. But yeah, I he just 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:01.760 he brought it and we both you know, I just 0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:03.760 took it very seriously. We weren't chit chatting in between 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:05.159 like everything. We both knew it was like a big 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:08.840 deal and had to represent. Yeah, never really you know, 0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:11.280 I don't know, like I never really talked to anyone 0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:13.159 about it, like I wish I did. 0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:14.440 I wish I would love to. 0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:16.440 Sit with you know, Ryan or Brad or you in 0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:20.359 and uh, you know, it never happened. And even I 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:21.920 was like, man, like I would love to just talk 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.080 to chrispect yo. Like we we did that, like we 0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:26.960 we had some some ship, but like no, it was 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:28.280 just kind of like, okay, have a good day, you know. 0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:32.000 I was like, all right, we never like really discussed, 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:35.560 you know, anything about the impact of that. 0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:35.680 It. 0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.040 We just kind of like did it and then went home. 0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:40.800 But I was, yeah, I was I. 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:42.920 Was moved and I thought he's amazing and he was 0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:45.240 so great to work with. He's just he's like so 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:47.000 you know, he's so natural too, Like he just he 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:50.440 just grounded, like kind of keeps you grounded and natural. 0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:52.720 Like oh yeah. It was just like talk to you, you. 0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:55.160 Know's insane to be on the other side of that 0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.960 with him. He's like you are so good. He's crazy. 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:01.920 Yeah, and it's so cool too, because it was like, 0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:03.800 you know, yeah, like you said, like the show like 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:05.760 the Jane Lynch and Nick Ball, you know, and like 0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:08.480 the craziness, but like it felt like we were shooting 0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:11.680 a different show. We're in a hospital like no suicide 0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:14.480 attempt and like you know, tears and like what the hell. 0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:19.920 Like yeah, filming, but was so cool. I was like, 0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:22.640 I'll get in like film, you know, this dream scene 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:24.200 and like a dream role. 0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:29.160 But like on this on this musical comedy series. Uh 0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:29.960 yeah again. 0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:31.760 It's like, you know, a testament to the writers because 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:34.440 I thought going there was so great because you know, 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:35.040 they could have. 0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:38.360 Like topped out and like not done there. I don't know. 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:41.480 I wonder if like they originally had him dying. 0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:44.840 I don't because after that that really wasn't much for karosity, 0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:48.719 except like the Bear and Darren weird weird things. But like, 0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:52.040 I do you wonder if like you know, they originally 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.000 thought he might just kill himself, but Fox was like, no, 0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:54.480 you can't. 0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:58.080 I don't know, I don't know or like the impact that. 0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:00.720 Was for you, Yeah, let me know. 0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:04.240 Yeah, we'll find out. I don't think that. I think 0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:06.920 the answer is no. I think I think the thing 0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.800 abougly is the hope that it gives people, Right, So 0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.000 I'm sure they could have won that route, but then 0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:15.000 you'd really be in a drama and then we really 0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:15.960 be on a different show. 0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:18.200 But what's the lesson there? 0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:23.360 Like that's that's just right, Like you're not alone, right, 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:27.200 You're there's you're you know, there's people for you. And 0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:31.160 so yeah, I think it'd be a different show. But 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:35.400 it's a good question. We'll find out. But that's also 0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:38.400 like we also, you know, we've been watching the past 0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:41.760 three seasons and a lot of you know, your storyline 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:45.520 was very tied to Chris's throughout the whole thing. That's 0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:48.360 Chris's world, Like that's Chris is Glee, you know, he 0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:50.920 gets to do both, but like that Chris lives in 0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.880 that drama world of Glee. The and that's what makes 0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:56.080 the show just so dynamic is you have the curtain 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:59.000 Bert scenes, the Karofsky Curt scenes, you know, the Blaine 0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:03.640 Kurt scenes, and then you have us clowns in pools 0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:04.320 on the stage. 0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:11.480 So show, Yeah, a lot of my family really started 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:12.000 liking to lear. 0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:13.040 Like when Chris did hold. 0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:15.480 Your Hand, I think that was that was the thing 0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:17.640 that was just like, again, a beautiful song and they're like, 0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:22.200 whoa cool you're doing like fels like down right. But yeah, 0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:24.000 going back to yeah, I think like the lesson was 0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.320 that like a lot of like Krossty does come around 0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:29.800 to accepting himself and having help for the future and 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.479 knowing like there is a life, you know, outside of 0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:35.440 this tortured world. But yeah, it was like he had 0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.320 to go through the suicide attempt to find that out. 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:40.120 So I think the show was kind of like, hey, 0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:43.640 don't don't go through that attempt. Know that this is 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:45.800 waiting for you on the other side. You know that 0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:47.560 there is there are people that will accept you. You 0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.640 can be yourself, you know. And again I thought it 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:52.479 was brilliant because it was like the Midwest and as 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:55.760 you know, there's still you know a different different world 0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:57.840 than you know, the Midwest, than LA and New York 0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:00.840 as far as acceptance, and think it was important for 0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:04.600 people to also realize that before social media, like oh, 0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:08.600 like you know this small town you know and wherever 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:12.480 you know, there are people that think differently outside of 0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:14.160 this and like there is a place I can go 0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:16.440 where I can be safe and be myself. And so yeah, 0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:20.280 there's a lot a lot tied into it that it 0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:21.320 was pretty awesome. 0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:24.320 One of my favorite lines that I'm going to paraphrase 0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:27.400 and butcher it here is in that scene with Chris. 0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:32.320 But I think it was very very important on many levels. 0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:38.280 But you talk about how so many people, but he 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:40.240 could have been the person who did what you did, 0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:42.320 or been the person who actually succeeded at trying to 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.800 do what you did, but he never did, you know, 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:51.120 Like he was the he stuck with it and got 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:53.080 through it all and found his people and found his 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:56.960 community and his friends. And I think so often in 0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:59.959 TV shows too, like Sex Education had a similar storyline 0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:04.280 where the gay character was being bullied and that guy 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:06.720 was secretly gay and they ended up having a thing, 0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:10.360 which I think can frustrate some viewers like why is 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:14.680 he with the abuser? But I think the flip side 0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:19.000 of that is this scene where nobody knows the experience 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.840 of living through that better than a person who is 0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:26.800 living through it, and people handle it differently, and to 0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:29.760 be able to have those sort of opposite ends of 0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:33.280 the spectrum in that same situation talk to one another 0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:35.680 and confront it with one another, I think was really 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:40.440 powerful because you see why it's hard enough, especially in 0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:42.960 the small town like this, like where the show takes place, 0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:46.360 to find someone who's gay in the same community as you, 0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:52.600 on top of being accepting of yourself, never mind all 0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.760 the outside forces. And I just thought I didn't remember 0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:57.760 that line from when I first saw it and seeing 0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:00.920 it now having you know, so many more shows with 0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:05.120 queer characters and queer storylines, like, ah, that's what it is, though, 0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:09.040 it's because you have people handle this differently, And yeah, 0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:13.160 unfortunately the queer kids have to be the stronger ones 0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:15.200 a lot of the time because they're the only ones 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:19.200 supporting themselves, and sometimes they don't get through it, and 0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:21.000 other times they do and they have to pull up 0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:25.319 everybody else behind them to help them. But I just 0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:29.000 that stuck with me watching it this last time of 0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:31.920 your work, and how you said that in his recognition 0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:33.280 of that was just really powerful. 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:36.520 Well everything you just said was very powerful, very wise 0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:37.440 and observant. 0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:40.600 But yeah, I think like, yeah, that's kind of the 0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:42.560 key thing is like that that if he was able 0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:45.520 to again like Chris himself, like like to find that 0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:49.520 acceptance within himself and like own who he is, you know, 0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:53.279 one hundred through and through, it's kind of like, yeah, 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:55.919 like passing the baton on to the next person. 0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:56.759 That needs it. 0:34:57.640 --> 0:34:59.520 If you accept yourself, I feel like it's it's kind 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:02.480 of like a little bit of your responsibility to help 0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:03.879 others do the same, you. 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:05.759 Know, and and passed that on. And that's kind of 0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:07.280 what he did in that in that scene. 0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:11.160 So yeah, what's nice to see now in society. It's 0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:14.279 like Chris and Kurt were sort of unicorns back then, 0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:16.920 and now I feel like you look out in the 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:19.960 world like there's either a lot more unicorns or this 0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:24.640 isn't such an exceptional thing in a great way. You know, 0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:26.840 this is there's a lot more people who can just 0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:31.280 be themselves at a younger age. And despite all the 0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:36.040 continuing government societal pushback. 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:40.920 Modern Family, Like I think it was a during our 0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.760 while Glee was airing. Didn't like some state banned Modern 0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:48.279 Family I remember, or Georgia. 0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:49.920 That sounds about right. 0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:52.160 I'm not sure like that's what, but I remember, like 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:55.600 I don't know if you watched the the Emmys, the Globes. 0:35:55.640 --> 0:36:00.239 I think the Emmys and that woman spoke from. 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:02.279 Glad and you know, they're kind of saying like. 0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:06.160 People are like scared of what they don't know and 0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:10.799 if if, you know, aren't represented in media, people never 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:14.000 see that, and so that's why there's the playing and 0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:16.759 the antagonizing and and the fear of you know, like 0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:19.120 basically you know, ignorance because they don't they don't know. 0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:21.880 So yeah, I feel like the more representation that is 0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:24.600 in media and all these shows, like, the more accepting 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:25.719 people are. 0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:27.520 And I feel like a lot of younger people are 0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:28.560 are more confident now. 0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:30.640 I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but like the vibe 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:32.280 is like I feel like people are kind of owning 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:36.080 who they are more and celebrating the you know, unique 0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:39.320 differences instead of kind of hiding and trying to blend 0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:40.560 in and be like cookie cutters. 0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:42.719 Yeah, that's the hope, right there, was like a trail 0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:43.600 We kind of did. 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:45.360 The trail blazing of that because you know, there was 0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:46.800 like a show where like a lot of young people 0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:49.080 watched it, and I don't I don't know if that 0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:52.000 was a I mean, yeah, there was like Wilson Cruz 0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:53.359 or like you know, there was there's like a few 0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:54.920 a few shows, but like this, I just think was 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:58.960 like that mainstream you know, exposure. 0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:03.759 Families watch it to other right exactly, key, Yeah, for sure. Yeah, 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:10.560 Well Max, you always thank you. 0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:14.279 No, really wonderful, beautiful job. You should be proud. We're 0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:17.839 proud of you. That's really still, like to this day 0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:21.760 watching it yesterday, like so powerful, so really impactful and beautiful. 0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:28.200 So good work. Thanks thanks for joining us and chatting 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:32.840 about it. I think everybody will really appreciate hearing just 0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:35.840 your feelings behind the whole thing. And I hope you 0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:38.480 guys watch it. If you haven't, go back and watch it. 0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:40.960 Thanks Meg, good to see you, I'll see. 0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:46.360 I also have to say Brad Beaker, who directed that 0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:49.560 episode and many other episodes on Glee. He also did. 0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:51.640 I worked with him on a couple of like more 0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:58.960 uh serious, more dramatic scenes, and he's really so caring 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:02.240 and I don't know, gentle with his actors. He's really 0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:07.160 a safe place for his actors, and it's just it 0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:11.759 really makes for better work. I think there are just 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.239 some of the things I couldn't have done without him 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:18.120 being the director in the chair and steering the ship 0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:21.280 at the time. You feel so safe, you feel non judged. 0:38:21.840 --> 0:38:25.080 He sets a tone that feels like, no matter what 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:29.640 you try, everything's good, everything's okay, everything susceptable, or like 0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:34.720 you're fully supported on all sides. Yes, yes, and Max, 0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:37.960 thank you so much for that, I mean, just his 0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:41.719 art and his sharing that beautiful piece of work, and 0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:46.360 also for coming on and chatting with us about you know, 0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:49.760 such a sensitive and serious subject that he really handled 0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:50.440 so beautifully. 0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:54.600 So yeah, like I said before, I'm glad it fell 0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:59.080 to him to do that, because he's handled it with 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:02.520 grace and deep deep thought ever since. And it you know, 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:04.960 I think that requires that and it's nice that he's 0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:10.640 taken on that mantle. Yeah, thank you Max for joining 0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:11.719 us to talk about this. 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:15.000 Thanks for coming you guys, that's what you really missed. 0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:19.120 Bye, Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram at 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:21.400 and that's what you really miss pod, make sure to 0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:23.839 write us a review and leave us five stars. See 0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:24.359 you next time.