1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Hey, listeners, Please note that today's episode contains topics surrounding 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: suicide that some people may find disturbing, and if you 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: are someone you know are struggling, call or text nine 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: to eight eight for the National Suicide Prevention Hotline. 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: And That's what You Really Missed with Jenna. 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 3: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast. 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's what You're Really miss podcast. Hello Kevin, Hello, 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: Today we have a great one serious one. We are 9 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: talking to Max Adler about his performance in season three, 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: episode fourteen on My Way. 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: About being bullied and then being driven to a very 12 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,319 Speaker 2: dark place, and hearing about how he got there, how 13 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: he prepped, how what the filming of it was like, 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: all of that, things that we have not been privy to. 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: I'm very fascinated to know all that, and I hope 16 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 3: this is illuminating and informative for all those Glee fans 17 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 3: who know this episode and know these scenes and the 18 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 3: seriousness and great performance that he gave. 19 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, we had to bring you back for this episode. 20 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: We just recapped it. But your performance was so I 21 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: don't even know the word. It was really compelling, really 22 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: well done, just really beautiful, and so we wanted to 23 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: talk to you about the making. 24 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 4: Of Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate that 25 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 4: very much. Thank you. 26 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 3: Yes, the whole time I was thinking too, Like last 27 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 3: time we talked, we really got to start the conversation 28 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: of how serious of a trained you know, you're trained 29 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 3: actor and you're coming into the show and getting like 30 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: heavy things in the part of coming in not knowing 31 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: when you're going to be back, that whole thing. Yeah, 32 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 3: but every time you come in like casual super Bowl episode, 33 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 3: gigantic episode for you, and you come to get this episode, 34 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 3: which is a competition, there's the quinn of it all. 35 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: But you then have again this huge standout moment like 36 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: you never come in just to say a line or two, 37 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 3: and like it started like a slush, but you showed 38 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: too much. You showed how good you were and they're like, okay. 39 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: You exposed yourself. 40 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, well, if you're going to expose yourself, 41 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 4: that's the. 42 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: Way it exactly. 43 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: So take us through this this process of when you 44 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: got this script. Was there any sort of call from 45 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: anyone to be like, hey, I mean, yeah, I know 46 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: I'm assuming not no, but I'm really just interested from 47 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 3: like I really like to get into this from like 48 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: the acting standpoint, like how you got into this? 49 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, well I worked on the role a lot, you know, 50 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 5: with my acting coach, and obviously a lot of like 51 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 5: Fro've never been kissed really on I really kind of, 52 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 5: you know, figured that this is pretty dark, like this 53 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 5: guy is, you know, closeted and dealing with the Midwest 54 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 5: and the family and the friends and the football team, 55 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 5: and you know it's it's pretty pretty bad and pretty 56 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 5: scary and pretty brutal. And then you know, at that 57 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 5: time in the world there was actually tons of cyber 58 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 5: bullying happening and suicides and Jamie Roademmeier and I mean 59 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 5: I met his family at like the Glad Awards, and 60 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 5: I remember, you know, Ellen was talking about it in 61 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 5: interson Cooper and I was like, Froski is like going there, 62 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 5: but you know, they're never going to go there on. 63 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: A Fox show and like a comedy, like, no way 64 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 4: are they going to do that. 65 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 5: But like, I'm going to play it like that because 66 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 5: that's kind of how I feel like doing it justice 67 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 5: and kind of grounded and kind of gives me like 68 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 5: this you know, little secret that I'm like hiding, you know, 69 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 5: while I'm filming, and then I got the call from 70 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 5: Darren actually I think it was Darren who got the 71 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 5: script before me, and was like, dude, like, have you 72 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 5: seen the script? 73 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 4: And I was like, no, not yet. 74 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 5: He was like, I'm like peruising it like I'm on set, 75 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 5: but like something like you're like killing yourself and I'm 76 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 5: like singing to you. 77 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 4: I'm like what, like what what? 78 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 5: And so that was like the first time that I 79 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 5: heard there was you know, that was like a suicide attempt. 80 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 4: And then I got the script and then. 81 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 5: Again I was just kind of like thankful because I 82 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 5: was like, good that they're they're going there. 83 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 4: I thought it was brave. 84 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 5: I thought it was you know, genuine to the character 85 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 5: and representative, representative representing what people are actually going through 86 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 5: and struggling with. And I knew again, you know, a 87 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 5: lot of weight on my shoulders and had a big 88 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 5: responsibility to do it right. And I remember talking to 89 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 5: Brad Vieker like in a golf cart outside at night 90 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 5: for like an hour and a half before we went 91 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 5: into film. Amazing, Yeah, and just like really getting into 92 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 5: that mindset and like being vulnerable with each other and 93 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 5: talking about you know, like shitting days we've had and 94 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 5: like dark moments and dark times and just like how 95 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 5: you can just like you stare up at the ceiling 96 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 5: and like get lost like for hours and like your 97 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 5: mind just goes to dark places. And then that's when 98 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 5: he like got the production design team to like put 99 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 5: the airplanes up there and kind of like give that 100 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 5: like I would just like, you know, stare off and 101 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 5: like you know, go down the dark spirals and he 102 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 5: kind of yeah, he just. 103 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 4: Let me do my thing, and. 104 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 5: You know, and then yeah, the guy playing my dad, 105 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 5: Daniel Roebuck, was an incredible actor, and I just remember 106 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 5: him like streaming my name and. 107 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 4: Just like the emotion in his voice. 108 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 5: And you know, the most powerful thing to me is 109 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 5: like when you know anyone you're on set, like there's 110 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 5: like like the Burly crew guys and like the boom 111 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 5: up like gives you like that nod and he's. 112 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 4: Kind of fears and. 113 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 5: He was like, you know, he's like yeah, like that 114 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 5: was the stuff, like oh ship, like okay, like this 115 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 5: nothing I did something. 116 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 4: Good you know to get to get the boom oup nod. 117 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 5: So yeah, and I know, I think they put like 118 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 5: the Trevor Project hotline you know, or the National Suicide 119 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 5: Prevention Hotline at the end, and I just was so touched. 120 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 5: I remember like the calls like they said, you know, 121 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 5: it's spikes. Like right after that episode, it was like 122 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 5: it went up like eighty percent people were you know, 123 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 5: calling for help. 124 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 4: So you know, yeah, incredible, incredible experience. 125 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: Must have made you feel like you were representing, like 126 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: you said, being a role model to hear the response 127 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: of people actually reaching out and asking for help, right. 128 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, because like the whole thing is like you're 129 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 5: trying to make a difference and save lives and you know, 130 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 5: show people that there is hope or you know, you 131 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 5: see one person like you know, when when Chris Sculfer 132 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 5: is talking to me in the hospital, it's just like 133 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 5: just you know, it also shows people that if they're 134 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 5: there for the person in trouble, you could save a life. 135 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 5: And I thought that was a big thing feedback from 136 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 5: too of like you know, if you're worried about someone, 137 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 5: like do reach out, like don't hesitate, like you know, 138 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 5: talk to them, ask if they're okay, let them know 139 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 5: you're there, give them that kind of you know, open 140 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 5: line of communication, because like that could save a life. 141 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 4: And so yeah, I thought there's a lot of lessons 142 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 4: that came out of the episode. 143 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 5: And you know, yeah, to this day, I still get people, 144 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 5: you know, thanking me for being alive and portraying that 145 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 5: role and you know, patching things up with their family 146 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 5: or having their parents see them in a new light 147 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 5: and just like, yes, it's it's pretty powerful. 148 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that montage with you in the 149 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: actual attempt scene with in tandem Darren singing coughs here? 150 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: Had you listen to that song previous to shooting and 151 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: previous to it airing? Did you know that song? 152 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 4: I didn't know this song. I can't remember. Maybe I 153 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 4: listened to it. 154 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 5: I didn't listen to Darren's version, you know, I didn't 155 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,119 Speaker 5: see But yeah, watching that was incredible too, and getting 156 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 5: brad with the editing, like you know, like the spot 157 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 5: that I watched it again recently and is you know, 158 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 5: I like to when like the drum hits and I 159 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 5: slammed the laptop and the drum hits and I hit it. 160 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 5: I was like, gosh, so really, you know, you say, 161 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 5: every every moment is like and impactful. And Darren's performing, 162 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 5: I mean, he's just you know, his face is you know, 163 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 5: filled with passion and his movie like he's just he's 164 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 5: giving everything and so you know he always does, and 165 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 5: I knew I had to match that, and so yeah, 166 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 5: that's a you know, an amazing montage. And I just think, like, again, Brad, 167 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 5: like you know, seeing that word, you know, fag on 168 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 5: the locker and being around all those background actors like 169 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 5: I it's like you feel it. You walk into the 170 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 5: room and you're just like with a bunch of like 171 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 5: imposing dudes looking at you. And I was I was like, yeah, 172 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 5: there's like no acting required, like you're you're just you're 173 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 5: in this place of like you know, awkwardness and vulnerability. 174 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 5: And then against Brad's choice to like slow that down 175 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 5: and just kind of like you know, see like the 176 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 5: world coming out from underneath karossity. Yeah, I'm just something 177 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 5: I'm very very proud of. It's it was a it 178 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 5: was a cool moment. I think it was executed, you know, 179 00:08:51,080 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 5: really well by the whole team Dream Team. 180 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: Are you someone that can walk away at the end 181 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 3: of the day or after filming one of those scenes 182 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 3: and shake it and be you know, leave it on 183 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: this sound stage or doing something I've never had to 184 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 3: do something that intense, and I think like doing something 185 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 3: that intense, I feel like it might be hard for 186 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 3: some people to just shake go home to your normal, right. 187 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 5: It was harder life leading up to it because as 188 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 5: as you know, like you know, there's so much waiting 189 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 5: in the trailer on that set, and it was the 190 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 5: thing where I was like, you know, called in at 191 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 5: like eleven am, but didn't shoot until like eight pm. 192 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 5: And so it's like that was like the exhausting thing 193 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 5: of like just staying in this like place like never 194 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 5: knowing like when that non comes and. 195 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 4: You have to go, like you know, because you're always. 196 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 3: Just right there on the edge ready to do it until. 197 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 5: You get to we're ready for you. I was like, oh, 198 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 5: you know, so like you're waiting for like hours and 199 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 5: it's like lunch and it's like, you know, I'm like 200 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 5: do I do I fall asleep? 201 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 4: Like do it? 202 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 5: You know? 203 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 4: Do I make a call? 204 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 5: Like listening probably two explosions in the sky or like 205 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 5: Trickter or some kind of like you know, said music 206 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 5: and just like yeah, it was like it was exhaust 207 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 5: I remember like being exhausted going to film that because 208 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 5: I was just like in this place and like trying 209 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 5: to like keep the energy and then like the nerves 210 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 5: of like I have to do that. 211 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 4: You know, you have one shot to like get it right. 212 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 4: Are there going to be tears? Am I gonna cry? 213 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 4: Is it going to be believable? 214 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 5: Like? 215 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,239 Speaker 4: Am I going to represent? Am I gonna leave disappointed? 216 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 5: And then I remember like feeling really good about it, 217 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 5: So I actually was able to shake. 218 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 4: I was it was like the thing of like. 219 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 5: Just like this release, I was like this like you know, 220 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 5: guitartists driving home of like blasting like fun you know, 221 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 5: like happy music, and just like like like yeah, like 222 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 5: I think I just crushed that, and like I'm like 223 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 5: I can like let it go and like I feel 224 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 5: good and like, you know, however, it turns out like 225 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 5: I think I gave it my all and like I 226 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 5: was prepared and that kind of thing. So it's actually 227 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 5: easier to shake, but like yeah, like the builds up 228 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 5: to it, it was like yeah, it's like so so hard, 229 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 5: and then you know it's like even in between takes 230 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 5: is hard because you know it's like make a pairs, 231 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 5: like so what are you doing this weekend? 232 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 4: And I'm like no, no, like you know, like just 233 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 4: don't please, you know. 234 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 5: So I was like that, I'm like want to be 235 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 5: nice to everyone, but it was like that was like 236 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 5: a thing where I'm like like no, just please, you know, 237 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 5: don't don't talk to me like please, you know. So 238 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 5: there's like that awkwardness. But luckily I remember, like the 239 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 5: set was just like my room, and so it was 240 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 5: kind of just I would just like go in the 241 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 5: room and just like sit there and wait until all again. 242 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 4: Everyone was really respectful. 243 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 5: And yeah, so yeah, I was kind of able to 244 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 5: shake it afterwards, but leading up was scary and intimidating. 245 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 5: And again, you know at that at that point in 246 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 5: the show, there's a lot of eyeballs on. 247 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 4: That show, you know, and so I was like, oh man, 248 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 4: this could go either way. So it was like the 249 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 4: nerves and like I have to deliver. 250 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: I also think that scene, the scene, right, it was 251 00:11:49,920 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 3: also a testament to the actual suicide scene, the attempted scene. Yeah, 252 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: It's one of those things that again shows how powerful 253 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 3: when used the right way, how music paired with a 254 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 3: storyline like this can be even more impactful. And having 255 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: Darren sing that song the way he was, like you said, 256 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 3: how he was performing it with your performance and the 257 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: weight of that was really just so powerful, powerful thing 258 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 3: and it was like such the correct music selection, yes 259 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: for that and having Beaker. I think it's and we've 260 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 3: talked about this for years now about how that set 261 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: was crazy and you're shooting a lot, you're doing music 262 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: videos every day, and it's so nice to hear that 263 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 3: he spent a time and a half with you being 264 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 3: able to talk through that because that, I think, as 265 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 3: an actor and as a director is so helpful to 266 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 3: inform what both of you are doing and therefore like 267 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 3: what everybody else is then feeling shooting it and then 268 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 3: what we're feeling watching it, and I it's such a 269 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 3: gift be able to have find that time to do that. 270 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, and like to command that kind of you know, 271 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 5: the respect amongst the crew that he would command and 272 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 5: like you know, like, yeah, everyone take this seriously, like 273 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 5: be quiet, Like it was like a very like you. 274 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 4: Know, we're not we're not playing around now, like this 275 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 4: is a serious moment. 276 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 5: And again, yeah, like just for him to share things 277 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 5: that he shared with me, And I was like looking 278 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 5: over here because there was a there's like a plaque 279 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 5: but him and I I'm trying to find where it is. 280 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 5: But him and I got invited actually for like three 281 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 5: years after that episode air to Sacramento to this like 282 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 5: event called like Directing Change, and it was like all 283 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 5: these high schools from all over the nation that were 284 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 5: filming short films about mental health awareness and raising awareness 285 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 5: about stigmas. And him and I were like invited, you 286 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 5: know with like all the politicians of the state, and 287 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 5: you know we were up there doing that because yeah, 288 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 5: like that that episode had a lot of impact, So yeah, 289 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 5: he really want the perfect guy. And honestly, it's weird 290 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 5: because it's like now I hear it and it's all 291 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 5: I can think about is is you know, the show 292 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 5: and the scene, but it's strange things. 293 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 4: I feel like if you heard it on you know, 294 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 4: on its own, it's like not. 295 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 5: Really a sad song, right, it's kind of like pumped 296 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 5: up and like you know, like you're you're moving or grooving, 297 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 5: and but it's like, yeah, something about again just that 298 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 5: the montage and the way Darren did it and the 299 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 5: lighting and and you know, and then cutting to me, 300 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 5: but like like a bold choice, like and I don't 301 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 5: know how they ended up choosing that. 302 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 4: I didn't either. 303 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 3: I mean because I was a big fan of that 304 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 3: song before going in and it's completely reframed. Yeah, I 305 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 3: viewed that. I'm like, oh, that is crazy that you 306 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 3: can just switch how a song feels to you after 307 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 3: you've heard it and enjoyed it and been a fan 308 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 3: of it, right, and you hear it. 309 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 5: Differently, right, like lyricly like Life's Too Short, like costs 310 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 5: Europe going to be like oh man, like this is 311 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 5: it kind of hits differently now, you know. 312 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 3: It reminded me on a much different level. But when 313 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 3: we first start of the show and the I think, 314 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 3: do you know what I'm gonna say, Jenna, like keep 315 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: holding on was like the first like emotional sort of 316 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 3: thing we did, and it was like an Avril Avine song. 317 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 3: I'm like, this is fine, yeah, like I love this 318 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: song and we shot it and like, oh, this feels 319 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: this is a song I've lived with for ages and 320 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 3: now this feels very different. And that was sort of 321 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 3: the starting point for all of us to realize how 322 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: the music could evoke those emotions in this and. 323 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: Drive like a focus of emotion. Yeah, exactly what. 324 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 4: I feel about. What was it? Like the Florence and 325 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 4: the Machine song that she's like a propella about like. 326 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 5: I hear that now and I like, you know, get 327 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 5: emotional thinking about that, so totally. 328 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was also something about like Blaine singing it, 329 00:15:55,040 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 3: the character Blaine singing it while Kowski is attempting this thing. 330 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: Was also just like a really beautiful and poetic yes moment. 331 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: There's just so many layers to that scene. 332 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 333 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 5: And then again, yeah, the scene was Chris in the hospital, 334 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 5: like my recovery was also the same same thing, like 335 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 5: you was just I love that scene. Yeah, I was like, man, 336 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 5: it was like, you know, he's just he's so good 337 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 5: and brought it. And again the same kind of thing, 338 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 5: just like you know, we wouldn't talk in between takes 339 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 5: and he would just come in and we would cry 340 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 5: and you know you're staying in that place. 341 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 4: But yeah, I just I love that scene. I love 342 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 4: the whole episode. 343 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: You and Chris had such dynamic scenes together. It started 344 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: from you, you know, bullying him and you know, beating 345 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: him to him. You guys crying in a hospital room 346 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: saying like I love you and I'm going to be 347 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: there for you and I'm going to help you through this. 348 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: It's a it's a really beautiful storyline and a beautiful 349 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: arc for character, you know, because kind of our our 350 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: relationships other than like you know, the curtain births of 351 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: the world, like they they're so short lived that you 352 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: don't get to see those arcs of partners seeing partners 353 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: like you know, Rachel and Finn. We want I wanted 354 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: more of those, but I really do get that with 355 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: Krovski and Kurt, it's really really nice. 356 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's quite it's quite dark. 357 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 5: And again it's like, you know, I just feel like, uh, 358 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 5: you know, to this day, I'm still hearing from people 359 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 5: like you know, I knew a Krowski in high school. 360 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 5: It's like people are looking at bullies differently, or the 361 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 5: bully is looking at the person he bullied differently and like. 362 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 4: Apologizing like that. 363 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 5: That Yeah, that that whole storyline and that episode in particular, 364 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 5: I mean still has like these like ripples through uh 365 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 5: you know, through society, and it's nuts. 366 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 4: It's like so crazy. Yeah, I'm still here talking about it. 367 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: Do you remember watching the episode for the first time 368 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: when it aired. I'm sure nobody showed it to you, Brad. 369 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 5: I think Brad sent me just that suicide montage look 370 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 5: and I remember I think, did you know. 371 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 4: You were capable of doing that? And like that stuff? 372 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: That's so sweet? 373 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 5: I was like so touched because I was like, what, 374 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 5: like I always thought, I like, that's why I moved here, 375 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 5: like trying to become an actor, Like I know, yeah 376 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 5: I thought I could. Like I'm just thankful like someone 377 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 5: gave me the opportunity to do it, and you know, 378 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 5: it like worked, I worked. 379 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 4: But I just always remember that beause I thought that 380 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 4: was like so. 381 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 5: Sweet that that he said that and he like showed 382 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 5: me that, and I was I was like, I was, yeah, 383 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 5: I was pretty proud of that, I know, like honest, 384 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 5: but yeah, like I was like that turned out like really. 385 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: Well, so yeah, well you're you're so you know, there's 386 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: a lot of technicality to your work, a lot of 387 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: craft like a lot of of work that goes into 388 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: your process. So it seems like somebody like you and 389 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong, like being 390 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: able to watch your work back. It's all the steps 391 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: in the process that you are seeing those come to 392 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: life and come to you know, and read hopefully the 393 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: way that you you tried to convey. Whereas you know, 394 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: there are people who just throw it to the wall 395 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: and are like, oh, I can't watch that because I 396 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: didn't really put in the work, but you do, so 397 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: i'd imagine it's it's sometimes you can like switch those 398 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: the way that you watch yourself. 399 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I guess it's like seeing if what 400 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 5: you tried to convey God convey, because I guess when 401 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 5: you talk about the process or the craft, it's like 402 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 5: I'm not like, you know, nothing crazy, but like it's 403 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 5: more just about like I go through it and kind 404 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 5: of like, uh, map out like all my thoughts, you know, 405 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 5: because I remember like one of some acting coach told me, 406 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 5: like feel thoughts, don't think feelings. So it was like 407 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 5: not you know, don't think like so hurt angry. It 408 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 5: was I feel like, oh my gosh, like my life 409 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 5: is ending, or like oh my god, like this this, 410 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 5: you know, this is the signer of the Facebook, like 411 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 5: you know, my mom's gonna It was like like those 412 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 5: thoughts and like it'll come across on camera and the 413 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 5: camera sees everything, and so it was one of those 414 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 5: things like, yeah, like mapping that out of like from 415 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 5: walking into the room to seeing it on the laptop 416 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 5: to like you know, getting the belt like this suit, 417 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 5: Like what is this guy? 418 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 4: Because there's no words for me, like you know, it's 419 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 4: like all internally. 420 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 5: So it was like, you know, my script was like 421 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 5: marked up, you know, with like paragraphs and monologues of 422 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 5: like where his head is at. So it's just kind 423 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 5: of like watching them to see like did that come across? 424 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 4: And like, you know, I think it did. But it's 425 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 4: also cool because. 426 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 5: I feel like everyone could have their own interpretation of 427 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 5: you know, what they think he's feeling or what they 428 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 5: would be feeling. But you know, like so it's like 429 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 5: that fine line of like having some thought of specificity 430 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 5: but not like showing it too much and like you know, 431 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 5: letting the audience kind of like be able to use 432 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 5: their imagination and go there too, and not. 433 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 4: Like beating them over the head. 434 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 5: Was like this is what I'm feeling right now, Like 435 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 5: I want you to feel the same thing, you know. 436 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's like but again, you know, Brad's the man. 437 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 4: Brad kind of like let's you do a bunch of 438 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 4: different takes and. 439 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's just a very safe director, I'd say, right, 440 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: I mean. 441 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, he had never been kissed too, and I just yeah, 442 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 5: like it's just like one of those you know sometimes 443 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 5: you just find find that guy that. 444 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 4: Like you just work together really well with and he's 445 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 4: that guy. 446 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: So you guys had those both those episodes to like 447 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: build the rapport the trust, you know. 448 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know you know he also too, was 449 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 5: like coming from like editing and you know it was 450 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 5: kind of like in the background during like nip Talk 451 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 5: and all that and like this this. You know, these 452 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 5: are like big opportunities for him too, So that was nice, 453 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 5: like someone that's also like has a lot of steak, 454 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 5: you know, big stakes and like a lot of you know, 455 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 5: shoot in the game to make this work and to 456 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 5: like prove himself as a director instead of like totally 457 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 5: eric Eric Sults is amazing, but you know something like that, 458 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 5: like he's proven himself right, so like you know, whether 459 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 5: this is a great episode or not, he's still Eric Stultz. 460 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 5: But with Brad, I felt like he was like like. 461 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 4: You'll get called back to do more episodes. 462 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 5: So it was like, yeah, everyone's just kind of brought 463 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 5: you know, their a game, I thought for sure. 464 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you remember the initial reaction to after that episode, 465 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 3: like if your friend's family, what people were saying to 466 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 3: you after that ered. 467 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 4: It was more like the Trevor Project impact. You know, 468 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 4: glad I realized have this mug. But like doctor. 469 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 5: Phil, you know, like me on the like doctor Trum like, yeah, 470 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 5: I'm sure you talking about yeah, just like cyber bullying. 471 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 5: And so I was like, all of a sudden, I 472 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 5: was like this, you know, spokesman again for cyber bully. 473 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 3: How did that feel? Because it is a strange thing 474 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 3: to like you're going, you're hired as an actor to 475 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 3: go do this specific storyline. All of a sudden, it's like, 476 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 3: now you're the face of this. 477 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: Go speak on right, right. 478 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 4: I mean honored, you know. 479 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 5: Really, I was like I was seriously and I was 480 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 5: talking to people about, you know, what they were going 481 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 5: through if if you know, they attempted suicide and and 482 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 5: you know, the research of like just that hopelessness of 483 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 5: like there's there's you know, there's nothing to live for, 484 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 5: and there's not anyone that is going to have your 485 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 5: back or listen to you. It's like a you know, 486 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 5: a desperate, terrible feeling. And so yeah, I was like, 487 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 5: if I'm going to talk about it, you know, let's uh, 488 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 5: let's know what I'm talking about. And and you know, 489 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 5: do it right and do it justice. And uh but yeah, 490 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 5: because you know at that time, if you remember, like 491 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 5: you know, twelve years ago, it's like cyber. 492 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 4: Bullyting was kind of new. 493 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 5: It was like this that that thing of like there 494 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 5: was the face to face bullying and uh, you know 495 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 5: it was like I remember, like my coach was the 496 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 5: backin coach is kind of like you know, if you 497 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 5: get shot by a bullet in person, you know that 498 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 5: that hurts. But like this was like a thing like 499 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 5: you know, bullets are just like hitting you when you're 500 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 5: not even looking, like you know, the off, the phones off, 501 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 5: and it's like this just this barrage of like comments 502 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 5: and you know. 503 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 4: Posting. It's like yeah, it's like you could you can't 504 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 4: do anything about it. 505 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 5: You know, it's like this paranoia of like when are 506 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 5: they posting where they It's like a terrible, you know, 507 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 5: terrible feeling. 508 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 4: And so there was kind of like this. 509 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 5: You know epidemic, I guess of suicides and suicide attempts, 510 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 5: which is heartbreaking because these kids are so young and 511 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 5: you know, and shelter and they have no idea. 512 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 4: You know, there's this whole big world out there that would. 513 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 5: Have accepted them and like they just thought that was 514 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 5: the end at like twelve or thirteen's heartbreaking. So yeah, 515 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 5: to get to talk about it at that time in 516 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 5: the world was was amazing. And then yeah, it was 517 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 5: like that Fox kind of like you know, I'm like 518 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 5: Fox setting up interviews and you know, sending the car 519 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 5: service and you know, driving around all the different There 520 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 5: was like they they like got behind it too, and 521 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 5: yeah it was pretty you know, a pretty amazing moment. 522 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 5: But I was, yeah, I was I was proud to 523 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 5: do it and I'm glad I got to do it. 524 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad it was you also who had that 525 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 3: part and you know that responsibility because as people can tell, 526 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 3: you take these things seriously. You're just like the nicest guy. 527 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 3: You're not someone who's like I'm just gonna get on 528 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 3: the show and be famous. I know, I have the 529 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 3: serious part. I'm going to do it justice, give all 530 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 3: the reality I can to it and lived experience I 531 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 3: can to it, and talk to people and go on 532 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 3: all these shows and actually advocate. And so that was 533 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 3: just I think that we were all lucky to you know, 534 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 3: be around someone like you who cared this deeply about it. 535 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean 536 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 5: it was so it was like a dream role. 537 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: You know. 538 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 4: It's like one of those things like if I saw this, 539 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 4: you know, in. 540 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 5: A breakdown, I would like, please, you know, get me 541 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 5: in probab wouldn't have wouldn't booked it, but like, you know, 542 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 5: yeah I booked it when it was like two lines, 543 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 5: you know, I said, talking about what are the super 544 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 5: cuts or lulla some ridiculous line, you know, slush and 545 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 5: and uh So it was one of those Yeah, it 546 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 5: was like a thing where like once they took that 547 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 5: character in that direction, it was a dream role on 548 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 5: a dream show where like. 549 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 4: A dream time. It was like I was like, yeah, 550 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 4: I have to have to do this right, Like it 551 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 4: was a crazy opportunity. 552 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 5: You know. 553 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 3: I have a question about to go back to that 554 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 3: scene real quick with you and Chris, because we've seen 555 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 3: Chris and scenes where he can just sort of like 556 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: switch it on and just be emotional and like how 557 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 3: is he doing this? But this felt different to me 558 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 3: watching it, where it felt like you were both so 559 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 3: in it at least from a viewer standpoint. Did it 560 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 3: feel sort of like cathartic in any way, because you 561 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 3: had been this bully for so long, for so many 562 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 3: years on the show, to his character of sitting there, 563 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: You're in a hospital bed, You're in a place of vulnerability, 564 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 3: and this person that you've been beating up on physically 565 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 3: and emotionally, and obviously it's not Chris, it's Kurt. But 566 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 3: I just like, what was that like to sort of 567 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 3: sit in that and be in that because obviously it 568 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 3: takes hours to film these scenes because it was just 569 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: such a nice balance of your guys' work. 570 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, but I kind of I think I remember 571 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 5: like kind of like checking out from the role, and 572 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,239 Speaker 5: I was actually just like looking at Chris and like 573 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 5: knowing how hard his life you know, was and is, 574 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 5: and like you know who he is and where he 575 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 5: grew up and like his experience and kind of like 576 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 5: just my heartbreaking for him that he couldn't he could 577 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 5: have been that guy, you know, like he he could 578 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 5: have done that and uh and not made it and 579 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 5: we never the world would never have had this calf, 580 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 5: you know. 581 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 4: And so I was just like, ah, God, like I'm 582 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 4: gonna start crying, you know. 583 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 5: I was just just like heartbreaking, like looking at him, 584 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 5: being like, God, you were you were you know, probably 585 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 5: one of those one of those guys. And also yeah, 586 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 5: like the fact that he was there, you know, the 587 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 5: character was there for Kurowski like and like the only 588 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 5: one that was there you know, was just so so 589 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 5: touching and so sweet and and an amazing arc for 590 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 5: for the writing of it. But yeah, I he just 591 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 5: he brought it and we both you know, I just 592 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 5: took it very seriously. We weren't chit chatting in between 593 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 5: like everything. We both knew it was like a big 594 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 5: deal and had to represent. Yeah, never really you know, 595 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 5: I don't know, like I never really talked to anyone 596 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 5: about it, like I wish I did. 597 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 4: I wish I would love to. 598 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 5: Sit with you know, Ryan or Brad or you in 599 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 5: and uh, you know, it never happened. And even I 600 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 5: was like, man, like I would love to just talk 601 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 5: to chrispect yo. Like we we did that, like we 602 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 5: we had some some ship, but like no, it was 603 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 5: just kind of like, okay, have a good day, you know. 604 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 5: I was like, all right, we never like really discussed, 605 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 5: you know, anything about the impact of that. 606 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: It. 607 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 4: We just kind of like did it and then went home. 608 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 4: But I was, yeah, I was I. 609 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 5: Was moved and I thought he's amazing and he was 610 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 5: so great to work with. He's just he's like so 611 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 5: you know, he's so natural too, Like he just he 612 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 5: just grounded, like kind of keeps you grounded and natural. 613 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 4: Like oh yeah. It was just like talk to you, you. 614 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 3: Know's insane to be on the other side of that 615 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 3: with him. He's like you are so good. He's crazy. 616 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's so cool too, because it was like, 617 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 4: you know, yeah, like you said, like the show like 618 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 4: the Jane Lynch and Nick Ball, you know, and like 619 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 4: the craziness, but like it felt like we were shooting 620 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 4: a different show. We're in a hospital like no suicide 621 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 4: attempt and like you know, tears and like what the hell. 622 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 5: Like yeah, filming, but was so cool. I was like, 623 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 5: I'll get in like film, you know, this dream scene 624 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 5: and like a dream role. 625 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 4: But like on this on this musical comedy series. Uh 626 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 4: yeah again. 627 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 5: It's like, you know, a testament to the writers because 628 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 5: I thought going there was so great because you know, 629 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 5: they could have. 630 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 4: Like topped out and like not done there. I don't know. 631 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 4: I wonder if like they originally had him dying. 632 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 5: I don't because after that that really wasn't much for karosity, 633 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,719 Speaker 5: except like the Bear and Darren weird weird things. But like, 634 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 5: I do you wonder if like you know, they originally 635 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 5: thought he might just kill himself, but Fox was like, no, 636 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 5: you can't. 637 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know or like the impact that. 638 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 3: Was for you, Yeah, let me know. 639 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll find out. I don't think that. I think 640 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: the answer is no. I think I think the thing 641 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: abougly is the hope that it gives people, Right, So 642 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure they could have won that route, but then 643 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: you'd really be in a drama and then we really 644 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: be on a different show. 645 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 4: But what's the lesson there? 646 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: Like that's that's just right, Like you're not alone, right, 647 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: You're there's you're you know, there's people for you. And 648 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: so yeah, I think it'd be a different show. But 649 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: it's a good question. We'll find out. But that's also 650 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: like we also, you know, we've been watching the past 651 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: three seasons and a lot of you know, your storyline 652 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: was very tied to Chris's throughout the whole thing. That's 653 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: Chris's world, Like that's Chris is Glee, you know, he 654 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: gets to do both, but like that Chris lives in 655 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: that drama world of Glee. The and that's what makes 656 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: the show just so dynamic is you have the curtain 657 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: Bert scenes, the Karofsky Curt scenes, you know, the Blaine 658 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: Kurt scenes, and then you have us clowns in pools 659 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: on the stage. 660 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 5: So show, Yeah, a lot of my family really started 661 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 5: liking to lear. 662 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 4: Like when Chris did hold. 663 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 5: Your Hand, I think that was that was the thing 664 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 5: that was just like, again, a beautiful song and they're like, 665 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 5: whoa cool you're doing like fels like down right. But yeah, 666 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 5: going back to yeah, I think like the lesson was 667 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 5: that like a lot of like Krossty does come around 668 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 5: to accepting himself and having help for the future and 669 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,479 Speaker 5: knowing like there is a life, you know, outside of 670 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 5: this tortured world. But yeah, it was like he had 671 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 5: to go through the suicide attempt to find that out. 672 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 5: So I think the show was kind of like, hey, 673 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 5: don't don't go through that attempt. Know that this is 674 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 5: waiting for you on the other side. You know that 675 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 5: there is there are people that will accept you. You 676 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 5: can be yourself, you know. And again I thought it 677 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,479 Speaker 5: was brilliant because it was like the Midwest and as 678 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 5: you know, there's still you know a different different world 679 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 5: than you know, the Midwest, than LA and New York 680 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 5: as far as acceptance, and think it was important for 681 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 5: people to also realize that before social media, like oh, 682 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 5: like you know this small town you know and wherever 683 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 5: you know, there are people that think differently outside of 684 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 5: this and like there is a place I can go 685 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 5: where I can be safe and be myself. And so yeah, 686 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 5: there's a lot a lot tied into it that it 687 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 5: was pretty awesome. 688 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 3: One of my favorite lines that I'm going to paraphrase 689 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 3: and butcher it here is in that scene with Chris. 690 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 3: But I think it was very very important on many levels. 691 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 3: But you talk about how so many people, but he 692 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 3: could have been the person who did what you did, 693 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 3: or been the person who actually succeeded at trying to 694 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 3: do what you did, but he never did, you know, 695 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 3: Like he was the he stuck with it and got 696 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 3: through it all and found his people and found his 697 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 3: community and his friends. And I think so often in 698 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,959 Speaker 3: TV shows too, like Sex Education had a similar storyline 699 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: where the gay character was being bullied and that guy 700 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 3: was secretly gay and they ended up having a thing, 701 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 3: which I think can frustrate some viewers like why is 702 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 3: he with the abuser? But I think the flip side 703 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 3: of that is this scene where nobody knows the experience 704 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 3: of living through that better than a person who is 705 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 3: living through it, and people handle it differently, and to 706 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 3: be able to have those sort of opposite ends of 707 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 3: the spectrum in that same situation talk to one another 708 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 3: and confront it with one another, I think was really 709 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 3: powerful because you see why it's hard enough, especially in 710 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 3: the small town like this, like where the show takes place, 711 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 3: to find someone who's gay in the same community as you, 712 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 3: on top of being accepting of yourself, never mind all 713 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 3: the outside forces. And I just thought I didn't remember 714 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 3: that line from when I first saw it and seeing 715 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 3: it now having you know, so many more shows with 716 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 3: queer characters and queer storylines, like, ah, that's what it is, though, 717 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 3: it's because you have people handle this differently, And yeah, 718 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 3: unfortunately the queer kids have to be the stronger ones 719 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 3: a lot of the time because they're the only ones 720 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 3: supporting themselves, and sometimes they don't get through it, and 721 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 3: other times they do and they have to pull up 722 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 3: everybody else behind them to help them. But I just 723 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 3: that stuck with me watching it this last time of 724 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 3: your work, and how you said that in his recognition 725 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 3: of that was just really powerful. 726 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 4: Well everything you just said was very powerful, very wise 727 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 4: and observant. 728 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 5: But yeah, I think like, yeah, that's kind of the 729 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 5: key thing is like that that if he was able 730 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 5: to again like Chris himself, like like to find that 731 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 5: acceptance within himself and like own who he is, you know, 732 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 5: one hundred through and through, it's kind of like, yeah, 733 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 5: like passing the baton on to the next person. 734 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 4: That needs it. 735 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 5: If you accept yourself, I feel like it's it's kind 736 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 5: of like a little bit of your responsibility to help 737 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 5: others do the same, you. 738 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 4: Know, and and passed that on. And that's kind of 739 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 4: what he did in that in that scene. 740 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 3: So yeah, what's nice to see now in society. It's 741 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 3: like Chris and Kurt were sort of unicorns back then, 742 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 3: and now I feel like you look out in the 743 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 3: world like there's either a lot more unicorns or this 744 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 3: isn't such an exceptional thing in a great way. You know, 745 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 3: this is there's a lot more people who can just 746 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 3: be themselves at a younger age. And despite all the 747 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 3: continuing government societal pushback. 748 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 5: Modern Family, Like I think it was a during our 749 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 5: while Glee was airing. Didn't like some state banned Modern 750 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 5: Family I remember, or Georgia. 751 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 3: That sounds about right. 752 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 5: I'm not sure like that's what, but I remember, like 753 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 5: I don't know if you watched the the Emmys, the Globes. 754 00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 5: I think the Emmys and that woman spoke from. 755 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 4: Glad and you know, they're kind of saying like. 756 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 5: People are like scared of what they don't know and 757 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 5: if if, you know, aren't represented in media, people never 758 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 5: see that, and so that's why there's the playing and 759 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 5: the antagonizing and and the fear of you know, like 760 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 5: basically you know, ignorance because they don't they don't know. 761 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 5: So yeah, I feel like the more representation that is 762 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 5: in media and all these shows, like, the more accepting 763 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 5: people are. 764 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 4: And I feel like a lot of younger people are 765 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 4: are more confident now. 766 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but like the vibe 767 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 5: is like I feel like people are kind of owning 768 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 5: who they are more and celebrating the you know, unique 769 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 5: differences instead of kind of hiding and trying to blend 770 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 5: in and be like cookie cutters. 771 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the hope, right there, was like a trail 772 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: We kind of did. 773 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 5: The trail blazing of that because you know, there was 774 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 5: like a show where like a lot of young people 775 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 5: watched it, and I don't I don't know if that 776 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 5: was a I mean, yeah, there was like Wilson Cruz 777 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 5: or like you know, there was there's like a few 778 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 5: a few shows, but like this, I just think was 779 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 5: like that mainstream you know, exposure. 780 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 6: Families watch it to other right exactly, key, Yeah, for sure. Yeah, 781 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 6: Well Max, you always thank you. 782 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: No, really wonderful, beautiful job. You should be proud. We're 783 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: proud of you. That's really still, like to this day 784 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,760 Speaker 1: watching it yesterday, like so powerful, so really impactful and beautiful. 785 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: So good work. Thanks thanks for joining us and chatting 786 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: about it. I think everybody will really appreciate hearing just 787 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: your feelings behind the whole thing. And I hope you 788 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: guys watch it. If you haven't, go back and watch it. 789 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 3: Thanks Meg, good to see you, I'll see. 790 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: I also have to say Brad Beaker, who directed that 791 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: episode and many other episodes on Glee. He also did. 792 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: I worked with him on a couple of like more 793 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: uh serious, more dramatic scenes, and he's really so caring 794 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 1: and I don't know, gentle with his actors. He's really 795 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: a safe place for his actors, and it's just it 796 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: really makes for better work. I think there are just 797 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: some of the things I couldn't have done without him 798 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: being the director in the chair and steering the ship 799 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 1: at the time. You feel so safe, you feel non judged. 800 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: He sets a tone that feels like, no matter what 801 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: you try, everything's good, everything's okay, everything susceptable, or like 802 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,720 Speaker 1: you're fully supported on all sides. Yes, yes, and Max, 803 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: thank you so much for that, I mean, just his 804 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: art and his sharing that beautiful piece of work, and 805 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: also for coming on and chatting with us about you know, 806 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,760 Speaker 1: such a sensitive and serious subject that he really handled 807 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: so beautifully. 808 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, like I said before, I'm glad it fell 809 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 3: to him to do that, because he's handled it with 810 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 3: grace and deep deep thought ever since. And it you know, 811 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 3: I think that requires that and it's nice that he's 812 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 3: taken on that mantle. Yeah, thank you Max for joining 813 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 3: us to talk about this. 814 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming you guys, that's what you really missed. 815 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 3: Bye, Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram at 816 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 3: and that's what you really miss pod, make sure to 817 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 3: write us a review and leave us five stars. See 818 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 3: you next time.