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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I welcome to Stuff'll never told you a production of

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio and Samantha, you were not here for the last classic,

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Speaker 2: but you know what I brought back.

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Speaker 1: What did you bring back?

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Speaker 2: Are Women in Happiness series that we did, which was

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Speaker 2: a four part series. They were all Monday minis, but

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Speaker 2: I brought it back because they recently the Happiness and

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Speaker 2: Index came out and there was a lot of news

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Speaker 2: about it. The US dropped out of the top twenty

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Speaker 2: for like the first time ever. Surprise, I know, and

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Speaker 2: I thought we would just continue to bring these back,

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Speaker 2: especially because you and I were just discussing the internet

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Speaker 2: has become such a grim place and we do talk

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Speaker 2: about some some reasons why happiness is a struggle for

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Speaker 2: in these So this is part two of our Women

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Speaker 1: Please enjoy. Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I don't

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Speaker 1: come to step. I never told your production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 3: And welcome to us going on rants about some of

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Speaker 3: the articles we found on women happiness. So yeah, this

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Speaker 3: is part two.

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Speaker 2: It is a Part two, and I feel like we

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Speaker 2: could have a part three, Part four. We're really hoping

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Speaker 2: to hear from you listeners.

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Speaker 3: Yes we do want to part three with your opinions.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we're due for a listener mail segment, so

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Speaker 2: send those our way. Check out part one if you

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Speaker 2: haven't already, because apparently people have a lot of thoughts

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Speaker 3: It's not great. So picking back up, Yeah, we did

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Speaker 3: recently just read a couple of articles. One was specifically

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Speaker 3: about the fact that feminism was killing happiness, essentially from

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Speaker 3: twenty one article written from a conservative perspective and about

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Speaker 3: why you know, happiness can be found through utilizing our bodies,

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Speaker 3: so does at the end of the article. And then

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Speaker 3: believe Aubrey Hirsch who spotlighted this article but then also

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Speaker 3: if you want to go look at it. You should again.

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Speaker 3: It's written by Aubrey Hirsch in the Vox women are

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Speaker 3: increasingly unhappy. This comic explains why or women happy chords

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Speaker 3: of the highlight of Vox.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So here we go.

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Speaker 3: So hopefully I do this justice because it is a comic,

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Speaker 3: you're supposed to be reading it, and she gets it

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Speaker 3: from different reports. So it starts with a science that

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Speaker 3: says Women's Strike for peace and equality. American women have

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Speaker 3: made progress since nineteen seventy. Women today are better educated

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Speaker 3: it has a little graph continues on. We have more

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Speaker 3: equal rights and reproductive freedom. And yet in the decades

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Speaker 3: reported happiness scores have declined, both in the absolute and

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Speaker 3: women's psychology that help answer the troubling question. If women

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Speaker 3: why are we less happy? One culprit might be the

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Speaker 3: women's changing expectations. As our opportunities in life and work increased,

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Speaker 2: Children exactly, because then you don't care as much about

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Speaker 2: And so we've talked about this in so many episodes

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Speaker 3: mean as a child, and feeling bad about that and

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Speaker 3: provide that for you, you know, giving me a car

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Speaker 3: we do it? Yeah, we have, We've done it. Could

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Speaker 3: it be a different story if we didn't have to?

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Speaker 3: And are we saying all women in leadership is great. No,

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Speaker 3: we have prime examples of like why did you do this?

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Speaker 3: What did you? We're talking about qualified women and qualified

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Speaker 3: men whose support Again, though it's harder to find underqualified women.

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Speaker 3: We can there's always exceptions to the rule, but it's

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Speaker 1: Just sort of a numbers game.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, right, yeah, yeah again, it just makes sense

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Speaker 2: to me. It makes sense to me. Oh, I'm feeling conflicted.

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Speaker 2: These happiness episodes have got me.

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Speaker 3: All's to negative. No, the kind of negative.

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Speaker 2: It is like a back and fourth it is, it is,

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Speaker 2: And I think there's a lot of just examining we

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Speaker 2: need to do of the narratives we've been fed.

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Speaker 1: Our whole lives, exactly of what happiness even is.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, speaking of listeners again, we need those happiness

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