1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, everybody, It's Wednesday, March twenty, twenty twenty four. 2 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where we're looking 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: to trade the pick. It's being your man, NAMG Marcus Grant, 4 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: joined by Michael f Florio and LaQuan Jones and U. 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: I don't even know. I know this is a football show, 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: but have you guys looked at the tournament brackets at all? 7 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: No? 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 3: Sorry, I do two just that I do with some 9 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 3: friends of mine. I will admit I filled them out. 10 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 3: And then I heard people already saying like, this is 11 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 3: a team not to pick, and I'm like, oh, I 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 3: had that team going to like the Sweet sixteen. So 13 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 3: admittedly I know nothing. 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm just guessing I know zero about it. I was 15 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: saying before the show, like it used to be that 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: Selection Sunday was my everything. In fact, I remember as 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: a as a child, I would get like, when the 18 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: bracket came out, I would get four like sheets of 19 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: like you know, paper, and each one was its own bracket. 20 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: I would draw my own brackets and fill them in 21 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: and fill them in as the tournament went. 22 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 3: On and everything. 23 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: Like this year, I didn't even watch Selection Sunday even 24 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: watched the selection show. 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 3: Yeah I forgot that it's on in the afternoon in 26 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 3: Pacific time. 27 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. In fact, I feel like it was on 28 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: earlier this year than it had been in the It was. 29 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 3: Like two pm and it was over. I was like, 30 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 3: what the y day? 31 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: Go? 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: My fird? 33 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: We texted me like three fifteen. I'm like, wait, I 34 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: thought it didn't usually start until now. But that shows 35 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: you kind of how how things are for me. For 36 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: me in college basketball, that's all. 37 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 3: This is a football show, but last college basketball th 38 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 3: off for me ever since they broke up the original 39 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 3: Big East, it does not have the same appeal to me. 40 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: You know, It's funny because I'm not you know, I'm 41 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: a West Coast guy. But like I remember a couple 42 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: of years ago, like it was like Georgetown and Saint 43 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: John's were playing at like noon on a Monday or 44 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: whatever like this just to be like appointment television when 45 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: these two teams played. And now they're just like a 46 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: throwaway game or whatever. Hid marches on. Anyway, we are 47 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: talking fantasy football here. We got plenty to dive into 48 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: on this one. Still some movement, some player movement. I 49 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: guess it's technically free agency, but some trades that are 50 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: going to have a big impact on both the NFL 51 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: and fantasy football, so we will dive into that. We 52 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: will also get into some draft needs. We'll go through 53 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah's latest mock draft because DJ went wild on 54 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: this one. So some things that could definitely shake some 55 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: things that will dive into that. But also Matthew Betts 56 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: is going to stop by talk some dynasty football. He 57 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: is part of the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Pod, which you 58 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: can hear as part of the NFL podcast Network. So 59 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 1: we will talk to Matthew about some of the things 60 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: that may have shaken up the rankings with guys changing 61 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: teams in the free agency period. But let's start with 62 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: some things that happen and after we last spoke to 63 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: you on Thursday, which side note, by the way, everybody 64 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: who jumped in who watched our first streaming show, the 65 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: first edition of the cheat Sheet, we are super super grateful. 66 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: We thought it went well. We are going to keep 67 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: doing it. We will do another one for you this 68 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: coming Thursday and all throughout the off season. But just 69 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: a big thank you to everybody who jumped in on 70 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: the first episode. We heard from a lot of you 71 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: in the comments. I heard from a couple of people 72 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: afterwards on social media and the response was definitely positive. 73 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: So we are encouraged and we are grateful and hopefully 74 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: you guys keep supporting the show all throughout the off season. 75 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: In the meantime, some of the things that happened we 76 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: signed off on Thursday, The Bears have been busy. Apparently 77 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: the spring has come and Bears are out of hibernation 78 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: now and they are moving around and doing all sorts 79 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: of things. So a couple of notable moves for Chicago. 80 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: Keenan Allen is now a Bear as part of a 81 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: trade from the Los Angeles Chargers in exchange for a 82 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: fourth round pick. This comes after Alan and refused to 83 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: restructure his contract and take less money after having what 84 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: he said was the best year of his career. So 85 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: he goes to Chicago. In the meantime, Justin Fields is 86 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: packing his bags and no longer is in the Windy City. 87 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: He goes from there to the Steel City in Pittsburgh 88 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: to the Steelers in exchange for a conditional twenty twenty 89 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: five sixth round pick. I mean, first off, first thoughts, 90 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: either of you surprised at how little the Bears got 91 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: for Justin Fields in return. 92 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 2: Not really, I mean it turned into a fourth if 93 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: he ends up getting on the field, But I think 94 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: they did right for him. I'm not really surprised. 95 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 3: I was the exact opposite. I was completely shocked. I 96 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: didn't think they were gonna get like a first for him, 97 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: but a sixth. I know it's a conditional six, but 98 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 3: a sixth. Like I tweeted the other day, I was like, 99 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: I'm shocked that Justin Fields went for this little. I'm 100 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: shocked that the Steelers just didn't even make it a competition. 101 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: They were just like, he's our backup. And I was 102 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: shocked that if a six was all you can get, 103 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 3: why did the Bears not hold on to I understand 104 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 3: you don't want it to make it a thing, feel 105 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 3: but like, he is the best backup quarterback arguably in 106 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: the NFL now, and you just let him walk for 107 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: a sixth. 108 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: It did feel like they sort of just handed him 109 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: over for like, you know, please take them, you know, 110 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: Ham Sandwich. Basically, I'm surprised they didn't wait till maybe 111 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: after the draft, when teams have drafted quarterbacks and we 112 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: have a better idea of the landscape and maybe at 113 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: that point somebody's a little bit more desperate and you're 114 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: able to get a little bit more out of him. 115 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: But it was sort of becoming apparent as this thing 116 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: went on that the market for justin field maybe wasn't 117 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: what we anticipated back in January or February when the 118 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: first parts of this conversation were starting to happen. But 119 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: the Bears move on from justin fields. So let's talk 120 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: about Chicago first of all, because they're a lot of 121 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: teams that are impacted by this. First in Chicago, Uh, 122 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: they've got Keenan Allen, They've got DJ Moore. They also 123 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: have the number nine pick, and we'll probably talk about 124 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: that a little bit later on. So, uh, Florido, for you, 125 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: as you sit here right now, who is the wide 126 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: receiver one in Chicago? 127 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 3: I think it's DJ Moore. I think that DJ Moore 128 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 3: will he'll be the traditional wide receiver one for the Bears. 129 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: I think that he'll be the first wide receiver drafted 130 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 3: in fantasy. Uh. But really I think it's a one A, 131 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: one B type of situation. I looked back at so 132 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 3: last season, Dj Moore eighty percent of his routes came 133 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 3: out wide seventeen from in the slot, Keenan Allen forty 134 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 3: percent wide, fifty two in the slot. You know what, 135 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: That kind of reminds me of the way Shane Waldron 136 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: has used DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett in Seattle. Now, 137 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that DJ Moore is the same physical 138 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 3: specimen that that. 139 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:58,559 Speaker 1: People are. 140 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you are, but I could see DJ Moore 141 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 3: being used in that way and Tyler and Keenan Allen 142 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: kind of being used like like Tyler Lockett has been. 143 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 3: So I think there'll be some weeks where Keenan Allen 144 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: outscores more, some weeks where more outscores Keenan. But I 145 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 3: think because of age that DJ Moore is going to 146 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: be the first one drafted, and that's fine. I'm probably 147 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 3: gonna take the approach like if I could get a 148 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 3: rounder to discount on Keenan Allen, I'll take that the 149 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 3: the bigger concern I have. And Marcus, maybe you could 150 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: speak on this, because you've watched Caleb more than me 151 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 3: or Lakwana. I'd imagine I think he's gonna target out 152 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 3: wide a little bit more than the slot and be 153 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 3: a downfield, aggressive type of thrower. But how do you 154 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: think this plays out with these guys? 155 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you and Allen will still get 156 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: plenty of targets. Caleb will target the guy who gets open. 157 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: The spectacular plays you see from him are those deep shots. 158 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: A lot of those plays are things that happened out 159 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: of structure, and you know, sadly frustrating leave for me 160 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: as an SC fan. There were too many of those 161 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: plays last year. There were just a lot of things 162 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: where it was like things would break down, and Lincoln 163 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: Riley was basically like, all right, Caleb, go and you 164 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: can do that for a while. It works to a point, 165 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: but not all the time. But when things are in structured. 166 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: Part of the reason people love him as a prospect 167 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: is because even when things are right and the pocket 168 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 1: is clean, he will stand there and he can deliver 169 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: the football. He will deliver it on time, on target, 170 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: He will find the open guy. He has a very 171 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: easy motion that is incredibly repeatable. There are just so 172 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: many things about him that are just fundamentally sound. It's 173 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: just that the plays that that open your eyes and 174 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: make the highlight shows are the you know, he evades 175 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: two guys in the pocket, he rolls out and suddenly 176 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: he finds somebody forty yards downfield for a touchdown. So 177 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: I think that that both DJ Moore and both Keenan 178 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: Allen work. I think, you know, it's a really good 179 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: group for him to work with. So like, I still 180 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: think he's the PA at number one. You know, I 181 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: would be shocked if the Bears did anything else but 182 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: drapped him at number one. So I think it's gonna 183 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: be fine with the receivers he has there. Now, he's 184 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: got two quality wide receivers, two veteran guys who can 185 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: help his development along a lot. 186 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: He might have three. 187 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: I mean, a rookie could happen, definitely could happen. But lakwan, 188 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: I mean looking at this right, they've got the two 189 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: receivers there. They went out and they added DeAndre Swift 190 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: in free agency to go along with Roshawn Johnson and 191 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: Khalil Herbert. If this Waldron offense, I would think you're 192 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: gonna draft Kayleb Williams, You're gonna feature Kayleb Williams, You're 193 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: gonna throw the football a lot. Are you totally out 194 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: on the running backs now? In Chicago? Were you ever 195 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: in on the running backs. 196 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I love Khalil Herbert. I mean, you could 197 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: just go down my timeline and just see how much 198 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: I love this dude he is. It's such a great runner. 199 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: But there's obviously other running backs that are go to 200 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: be involved in that Bear's backfield. So I'm not totally 201 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: out on a DeAndre Swift because we kind of know 202 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: what he brings to the table. I mean, I look 203 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: at him as a career running back that's gonna share time, 204 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: but he's gonna be very efficient with his touches, So 205 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: I think he does have some RB two upside. I mean, 206 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: you could probably get him as an RB three, But 207 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 2: if the price is right for DeAndre Shift, I might 208 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 2: be in. Just based on this offense overload that they're 209 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: setting up. Caleb Williams like, you're gonna have to use 210 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: these weapons. You're gonna have to move Keenan Allen the 211 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: slot in the outside, You're gonna have to move him around, 212 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: and you're gonna have that ninth pick. And I say 213 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: they Joe go full blown overload, you know, with the 214 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: offense of adding another wide receiver there or maybe a 215 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: tight end. I don't know, but what I'm saying is overall, like, 216 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: I'm not completely out on the running backs. They just 217 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: have to be at the right price because each Bears 218 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: running back last last year had one hundred and fifteen 219 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 2: touches each. Like that is complete nasty work. They're just 220 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 2: eating off each other's plates. 221 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's rough, man. I see you nodding, Florida. 222 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: So I'm assuming you're still in on DeAndre Swift. No, 223 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: this is the second time he did. I love that. 224 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: I love that. 225 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 3: It's like, like, I know, I agree with everything el 226 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 3: Q said. I I think that DeAndre Swift was brought 227 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 3: here to be the lead back. I think they paid him, 228 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 3: and I usually typically am a like follow the money 229 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 3: because they know what they have in Herbert and Roshan. 230 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: And they still decided the minute the tampering window opened 231 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: to give DeAndre Swift a boatload of money. But I agree, 232 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: I think that he's a borderline RB two. He'll have 233 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 3: some nice weeks, but if he struggles, there's there's other 234 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 3: options there that could eat into his workload. Plus maybe 235 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 3: the touchdown opportunities go up because he's not on Philly 236 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: and he doesn't have to just push push. But is 237 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 3: he gonna see the target volume because to me, Caleb, 238 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: what what he excels at is like you were saying, 239 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 3: Marcus keeping the play alive with his legs and keeping 240 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: his eyes down field while doing that for that big 241 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: thirty forty yard spish play, I don't think he's gonna 242 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 3: feel pressure and be like, where's DeAndre Swift? I need 243 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 3: to get rid of that real quick. So the other 244 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 3: thing I was thinking though, when the Bears easily could 245 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 3: take a wide receiver, and I think it would be 246 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 3: smart giving Keenan Allen's age, But man, that receiver is 247 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 3: gonna get jsn'd again just like. 248 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: Ye man, like it's like, it seems great, it's great 249 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: for Caleb, it's great for the Bears. It would stink 250 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: for that particular receiver, and it wouldn't be great for fantasy. 251 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: Uh if that were to happen. 252 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: Have to be patient, man, gotta be patient. 253 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: But speaking of wide receivers, so the Chargers they let 254 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: go of Mike Williams, they trade Keenan Allen O cut. 255 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: Does this guarantee you they take a wide receiver at 256 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: number five? 257 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 2: I hope so? Or you know a little chaos that 258 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 2: we'll get too later you know the down. But I'm 259 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: a little worried man, to be honest, if they don't 260 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: take a wide receiver. But you have to get a 261 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: pie of this, you know, the one of the three 262 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 2: out of wide receivers that are still on the board. 263 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: Dunsaya would like their leak neighbors. I mean, obviously, Marvius 264 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: are j You have to pick at least one to 265 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 2: get Herbert some type of splash player out there, some 266 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: guy that's going to come off you know, come off 267 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: of the you know, out of camp with the knowledge 268 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: in chemistry with Herbert. You need a guy that's going 269 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 2: to be there to be a playmaker and change the 270 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: dynamic of his offense. Because we know they're going to 271 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: run the ball. But you still need a receiver out 272 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: there that's going to be demanding, you know, all these 273 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 2: targets and get the play action going, et cetera, et cetera. 274 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: Everything the Chargers have done this offseason says they want 275 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: to run the football. Yeah, they let those wide receivers go. 276 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: Two blocking tight ends. 277 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: They bringing two blocking side ends. They bring in Gus Edwards, 278 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: You've got Jim Harball, You've got Greg Roman. Guys who 279 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: have traditionally been a run first offense. Everything says they 280 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: want to run the ball. This is still the NFL 281 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: where you have to be able to throw it effectively. 282 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not I'm not sold. I think Greg Roman 283 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 3: and Harbo are looking right now and they're like, get 284 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: us Joe Alt or someone like that that we can 285 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: build our old line around for the next decade. And 286 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 3: receivers are so deep. What I think they're gonna do 287 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 3: is I think they're gonna trade down, get an old 288 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 3: lineman in the first and then probably pick up a 289 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 3: second pick in the second round or something like that, 290 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 3: and then you get some receivers there. 291 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: All right, So all that being said, as of this moment, Florida, 292 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: how are we feeling about Justin Herbert? I mean, this 293 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: is a guy who for the last couple of years 294 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: has been a lock as a top ten quarterback drafted. 295 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: Is he still that lock to be a top ten 296 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: quarterback drafted? 297 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: Let me say start off by saying that I had 298 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 3: picked Justin Herbert to be the NFL and he a 299 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 3: year ago. I am fading Justin Herbert as of right 300 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 3: now because I truly believe they're going to be like 301 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: the very move over Baltimore, Tennessee. He doesn't have Henry anymore. 302 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 3: Like the Chargers are going to be the new team 303 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 3: that I believe leads the league in rushing percentage or 304 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 3: at least attempts to. You look at the wide receivers, 305 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 3: there's a lot to be desired. You look at the 306 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: running backs, like pass catching wise, there's a lot to 307 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: be desired. New offensive system a whole one that I 308 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 3: don't know if you guys JJ McCarthy. They said, if 309 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 3: you see like a one on one out wide, can 310 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 3: you audible to a go route? And his response was, 311 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 3: I wish so. I don't know how much I think 312 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 3: Justin Herbert's a really good quarterback. I just don't think 313 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 3: he's gonna get nearly the amount of volume too. And 314 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 3: because of his name and muscle memory, which is something 315 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 3: that we talk about a lot on the show, I 316 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: think people are gonna pull him up to be a 317 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 3: low ENQB one. I'd rather the quarterbacks that I would 318 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 3: take ahead of him, And then there's a bunch that 319 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 3: I would rather wait and just get some more upside 320 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 3: on Later in the draft. 321 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: He had a career low two hundred and forty one 322 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: passing yards per game this past season. I think that 323 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: number comes down maybe another time. Twenty yards, twenty thirty 324 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: yards this year in this offense, I mean it is 325 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: it's in part because of the philosophy of the guys 326 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: running the offense. It's because of the personnel. I really 327 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: do think that Justin Herbert, in terms of fantasy, is 328 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: going to fall off a cliff. I would hope though, 329 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: that Jim Harbaugh would see that he has this big, tall, 330 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: strong armed quarterback and would allow him to audible to 331 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: a route. Yeah. JJ McCarthy's I think a little bit 332 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: of a different animal. But I hope they think, hey, Herbo, 333 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: you see Josh Palmer with like one on one coverage 334 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: and you think he can win, Like, yeah, give it 335 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: a shot throughout. I was gonna say Quintin Johnston, but 336 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think they would do that for 337 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: Quinton Johnston. Not yet, not yet. We're there yet, not yet. 338 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: Some more wide receiver news and free agency. Mike Williams 339 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: has a new home. He is changing coasts, going from 340 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: Los Angeles to New York. He had been released by 341 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Chargers. He now signs with the New 342 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: York Jetropolitans one year worth up to fifteen million dollars 343 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: for this one. Look, the Jets needed wide receiver help, right, 344 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 1: I mean, Garrett Wilson was awesome last year despite having 345 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: some really bad quarterback play. So this this feels like 346 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: a big step in the right direction, especially having a 347 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: guy who does some very different things to to Garrett Wilson. 348 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: This feels like a big plus for this this Jets 349 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: offense right now. 350 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 2: No, I agree, they're getting a guy that could stretch 351 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: a field and we know how actabatic you know, catches 352 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 2: that you know Mike Williams does. He does a little 353 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 2: bit of everything that you know Aaron Rodgers desperately needed 354 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 2: outside of Garrett Wilson. I mean, honestly, they were getting 355 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 2: to Allen Lazars that raynal Cobbs like stop, stop, go 356 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: out and get a guy that you know has this 357 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: proofn talent. But my only concern here, honestly is if 358 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: he could stay healthy only sixteen games in the last 359 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: two seasons, Like if he could give us a full 360 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: season of you know, recovery obviously because he was turning 361 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: back from injury last season, but a full healthy season, 362 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: I think he could really make a difference on this offense. 363 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: I feel like that is going to be a consistent 364 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 1: theme with the Jets offense, is that can they keep 365 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: these guys healthy. You mentioned Mike Williams coming off injury. 366 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 1: I mean Aaron Rodgers is forty years old coming off 367 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,479 Speaker 1: and achilles tear. They signed Tyron Smith, who had a 368 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: lot of great years in Dallas but has had his 369 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: injury issues recently. Elijah Vira Teker, also on that offensive line, 370 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: has had his share of injury issues. So I get Look, 371 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: the Jets are taking some big swings, and if this 372 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: offense is healthy and everybody's on the field, they're going 373 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: to be really really scary to deal with. The question 374 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: is can they stay healthy over an extended period of time. 375 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: But lots lots lots to like, there are plenty of 376 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: targets to be had. Mike Williams potentially a downfield threat. 377 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: We know Aaron Rodgers can still throw a good deep ball. 378 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: This potentially could be really really interesting. The other team 379 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: obviously heavily involved in this are the Pittsburgh Steelers. So 380 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: Lakwan who starts more games at quarterback, Russ Wilson or 381 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: Justin Fields. 382 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 2: Oh I mean, I don't know, but I think Russell 383 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 2: will may get the star and he might end up 384 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 2: having more games, but his lease is going to be 385 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 2: very short. I mean, honestly, I'll give it six to 386 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 2: eight weeks, you know, before we start hearing you know, 387 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: fans pounding the table for Justin Thiel, because if he 388 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: can't get this offense at least up started to play 389 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: a little bit better than the quarterback play it was 390 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 2: last year, then he's gonna be in huge trouble man. 391 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 2: But he wasn't terrible in Denver. I'm not going to 392 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: bash him for his QB play over there in Denver. 393 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: It just didn't work out between you know, him and 394 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 2: Sean Payton. But he needs to elevate this Pittsburgh Steelers game. 395 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: You know, if they're going to have Arthur Smith, there 396 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 2: a getting the run game going. And we know how 397 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 2: good Russell Wilson is with play action, so he will 398 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: have the tools and resources in his bag to be 399 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: able to be Russell Wilson that we like for fantasy 400 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: and in real life football. But Lisa is going to 401 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: be very short for him. 402 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: Do we all agree that that Justin Fields will start 403 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: some games this year? 404 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 3: Yes, I actually think he starts more. 405 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. 406 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think as passers they're pretty close right. Fields 407 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 3: has that huge dynamic. I can run for a thousand 408 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 3: yards and complete, and the way the Steelers play is 409 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 3: ground and pound and rely on their defense. I think 410 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 3: with both of them, the Cap is probably like the 411 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 3: seventh seed in the AFC. But it's Russ is the 412 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 3: better passer. I'm not going to deny that, but I 413 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 3: think it's close enough where fields rushing abilities should give 414 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 3: him the edge there in my opinion. But do you 415 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: guys think it's possible that we see an all out 416 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 3: committee here because I've seen partle online suggesting that, like 417 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 3: Russ is here between the twenties quarterback and in the 418 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 3: red zone, you bring in justin fields. 419 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: Oh, that feels awful. That feels like a terrible I 420 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: would not want to watch that game. That's that's that's 421 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: some high school level stuff, man. 422 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: Like high school or so both of you go out there. 423 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that. I think that disrupts your offense. 424 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: It disrupts your timing with your wide receivers. I just 425 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: think that's a completely you know, because also at some 426 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: point I think you start to fall into tendencies right 427 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: where it's like when Justin Fields is out there, we 428 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: know that you're gonna you know, run eighty percent of 429 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: the time or whatever it is. I think you just 430 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: it gets it gets too easy to fall into tendencies. 431 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: But just Fields at a wide receiver. 432 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, forget the fantasy element of it. I 433 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: just think from a real football element, that just seems 434 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: like a terrible, terrible idea. 435 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 3: I would have a design play where he's a running back, though, 436 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 3: and you pitch it to him and then he just 437 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 3: like heaves it downfield to George Pickens. 438 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: Interesting. I don't know that Arthur is that creative though, 439 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: like that, Like, I mean, that feels like, you know, 440 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: it feels like, oh yeah, and Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan 441 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: sort of thing. That doesn't feel like an Arthur Smith 442 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,719 Speaker 1: sort of thing. If anything, it'll be like, you know, 443 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: they pitch it to Pat Fryarmooth and he throws it 444 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: downfield to Justin Fields or something like that, which you know, 445 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: that seems terrible. That seems absolutely terrible. I mean, either 446 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: one of these guys excite you. I mean, obviously we 447 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: can't if Fields is the backup, we're not drafting Justin Fields. 448 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: I don't feel like we can draft Russell Wilson. 449 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 2: Either though at this point no, because it be a 450 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: short rental, you'll be drafting him and knowing that at 451 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 2: some point you're gonna have to bench him forever. I mean, 452 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 2: like it's kind of like a fade for me now 453 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 2: and now that Justin Fields is in, you know, in play. 454 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: But I will say I'll take those late round darts 455 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 2: on Justin Fields man and redraft, but obviously for Bestball, 456 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 2: you know you're gonna you're gonna get him there as well, 457 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 2: just in case. 458 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 3: I think the ceiling for like I worst case scenario 459 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 3: Russ is like, let's say he doesn't get benched. I 460 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 3: think like low end QB two, best case is borderline 461 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 3: QB one whars for Justin Fields, I think best case 462 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 3: scenario is he's a top five fantasy quarterback. So locking 463 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 3: to me, it's much much easier. Like I hate this 464 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: because I want Russ to get an opportunity to kind 465 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 3: of go out on his own terms, but like Justin 466 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 3: Fields should be starting, and especially as a guy who 467 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 3: cares about fantasy, I want Justin Fields starting seventeen games 468 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 3: this year. 469 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that'd be great. It's not gonna happen, 470 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: but it'd be great. I who starts nine that to win. 471 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: I guarantee you that in you know, one of the 472 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: you're in across the mini media leagues that we all 473 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: play in, at some point this year, someone is going 474 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: to say to you, and they will say it in 475 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: this exact tone. I'm starting Wressell Wilson this week because 476 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: like they're gonna have they're gonna have injuries. There's gonna 477 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: be a bye and you're gonna look at the schedule 478 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: and like there's nothing out there in the waiver wire. 479 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: It's gonna be bleak and you're gonna look at the 480 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: schedule and you'll be like, you know, I mean this 481 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: matchup it's really good. Like I can I can tell 482 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: myself a story where Rusk gives me like eighteen or 483 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: nineteen this week, Like you're you are going to talk 484 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: to somebody who's just and they're going to they're gonna 485 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: give you this big heavy sign and it's kind of 486 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: sad look and it's gonna say I'm starting Wressell Wilson 487 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: this week, Like that's that's what's going to happen. It's 488 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: going to happen at some point this year. I know 489 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: I'm not the one saying it, but it could be 490 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: same else who knows same. But you know who I 491 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: just thinking of justin fields is this year is Kyler 492 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: Murray in the sense of, like, you don't know where 493 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: he's exactly going to play, but Whatdy's going to play. 494 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 3: The upside is top ten, maybe even higher at the 495 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: quarterback position. 496 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: Totally. Absolutely. One other move of note that's happened in 497 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: the last few days, Marquise Brown signed with the Chiefs 498 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: on a one year deal for up to eleven million dollars. Look, 499 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: I've been saying Marquis Brown should go to the Chiefs 500 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: for a while, so yay for me. 501 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 3: I guess. 502 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: Currently the wide receiver forty one on Underdog, stacked between 503 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: Chris Godwin and DeAndre Hopkins Floria. Are you cool with that? 504 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, especially because on something like Underdog Best Ball you're 505 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 3: talking big plays. I think Marquis Brown is gonna kind 506 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 3: of be what he has been the last couple of years, 507 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: which is some down games, some really big games. Better 508 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 3: for best Ball. But this was the optimal signing for 509 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 3: the Chiefs. I agree with you, Marcus. I think this 510 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 3: is gonna help get them back to not what they 511 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 3: were with Tyreek Hill, but closer to that. And I 512 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 3: think this is great for like like Rashid Rice, Like, 513 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 3: if you are a Rashi Rice fan, do not think 514 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 3: that this is a bad thing. Yes, maybe Mark Brown 515 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: could take some more targets, but he's going to open 516 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 3: up so much underneath and so much yards like space 517 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 3: after the catch, which is what Rice and Travis Kelcey 518 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 3: excel in. So I think he is the perfect complimentary 519 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 3: piece for those two. 520 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think this thing works in so 521 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: many levels for Marquis Brown. I think it works for 522 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: the Chiefs offense completely. Lakwan does this meet mahomes Is 523 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: back to being a top three fantasy quarterback off the board. 524 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: Uh, top three, He's right there. I think this is 525 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: a great move for him. This definitely does push him 526 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: back up in the ranks of where you feel confident 527 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: this year of taking Patrick Wilhlmes where you're like, okay, 528 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 2: I can expect some twenty point plus games from him. 529 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 2: Marquis Brown definitely he brings another element to that offense 530 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 2: that they kind of were missing last year with the 531 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 2: failed project of Kaderiz Tony. But I really feel as 532 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 2: though he's going to open up a ton for them. 533 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: And you know, you kind of look at, you know, 534 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 2: Marquis Brown these last two seasons with the Cardinals, I mean, 535 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: it wasn't good. I mean he only had thirteen games 536 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: total with Kyler Murray, you know, with them both battling 537 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: injuries back and forth. I mean six different quarterbacks the 538 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: last two seasons he's catching passes from. So his numbers 539 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 2: are going to look down, and his production and then 540 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, because I was just looking at him. Man, 541 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 2: he generated two hundred targets in the last two seasons, 542 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 2: obviously being the one there at one point where DeAndre Hopkins, 543 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 2: you know, injured, but he averaged the fewest yards for game, 544 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 2: He had the fewest catches, the third fewest points per 545 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: game among the twenty nine you know, other wide receivers 546 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: that saw two hundred plus targets in the last two seasons. 547 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: So it's like his. 548 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 2: Numbers are down, his ADP is reflecting at forty one. 549 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 2: I'm buying into it because he's going to get a 550 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 2: steady quarterback that's going to be Patrick Mahomes that we 551 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 2: know the proven talent is there to elevate every wide receiver, 552 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: every pass catcher on that offense's game other than Cadeers Tony. 553 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: But Marki's Brown is going to go out there and 554 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: do his thing that we know he knows how to do. 555 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I look or not Caner Sony. Marki's Brown 556 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: is sort of the anti Alan Robinson. You know Alan Robinson, 557 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: we begged for him to get a quarterback these years. 558 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: You look at you look at Marki's Brown's history. He's 559 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: had Lamar Jackson, He's had Kyler Murray. Now he has 560 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. Like that's quality, man, that's nice work if 561 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: you can get it, absolutely nice working. Oh yeah, it is. 562 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 3: So to me, I think there's four like it's Alan Hurts, 563 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: Lamar Mahomes. I think to me, those should be the 564 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 3: locked and loaded first four quarterbacks off the board. 565 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking. 566 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so he's in the top four. Just 567 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: you know the order based on personal preference. I presumes 568 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: what we are, all right. I think that's fair. Last 569 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: thing real quick before he hit a break, Jerry Judy, 570 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: the numbers for the contract are out out of this world. 571 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 2: Yikes lost for words. 572 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: Three years a total of up to fifty eight million 573 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: dollars forty one million guaranteed. Uh. This is the same 574 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: team that you know Dump trucked a ton of guaranteed 575 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: money on Deshaun Watson. We know they've got Amari Cooper, 576 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: David and Joku really came through last year. They still 577 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: have Elijah Moore. It just seems like a lot of 578 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: money for a guy who's production so far has not 579 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: been great in the first few years of his career. 580 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it ain't tricking if you got it, man, 581 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 2: I mean, if we got the money though out there 582 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 2: and get the talent, I honestly think you know, they're 583 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 2: paying Jerry Judy just based on his potential. They're going 584 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: to try to unlock it, and they're gonna put weapons 585 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 2: around Deshaun Watson to set him up for success. But 586 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: the problem is is like, do we have the right 587 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 2: attitude from Jerry Judy? Do we have the right system 588 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 2: for Jerry Judy? Are we going to deploy him and 589 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: utilize him in the right way in fashion? We don't know. 590 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: But this is a lot of money. So they're going 591 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: out there, They're gonna try to add additions you know, 592 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: around Deshaun Watson and make them successful. But I don't 593 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 2: agree with the contract. But we all lack at Christian 594 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: Kirk's contract, you know when he got paid. 595 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: So maybe it works out. Maybe it works out. You're right, 596 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, we should reserve judgment. It just I think 597 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: it caught everybody by surprise the numbers that the Browns 598 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: were to give Judy, and you're right, they are sort 599 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: of basing it. I think on what could be as 600 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: opposed to what has been. We'll see if it works out. 601 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: I'm you know, I think there's going to be a 602 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: battle for that wide receiver receiver to spot. At least 603 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: I thought there was going to be between between Judy 604 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: and Elijah Moore. But now after the money that I 605 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: see coming through, maybe there won't be. Who knows, uh, 606 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: So we'll find out. Step away for a quickment. We're 607 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: gonna come back. We're going to talk with Matthew Bets. 608 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: Get some Dynasty updates now that a whole lot of 609 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: people have changed places in free agency. Stick around for 610 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: that on the NFL Fantasy Football podcast. Thrilled Now to 611 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: be joined on the show by Matthew Bets. You can 612 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: find him over on Twitter at the Fantasy pt. More importantly, 613 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: you can find him as part of the NFL Media 614 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: podcast Network with the Fantasy Footballers and the Fantasy Football 615 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: Dynasty Podcast. Matthew, appreciate you coming on. I've said before 616 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: like this is sort of like a Marvel type crossover event. 617 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: We're all in the same you know, cinematic podcast universe. 618 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: So glad to have you on the show man. 619 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 4: How are things, Yeah, things for good man. I appreciate 620 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 4: you guys having me on. You know, I'm I'm always 621 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 4: like this time of year looking for shows to be 622 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 4: on that I haven't been on before. It's just good 623 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 4: to connect with different people and you know, talk talk 624 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 4: ball a little bit. So I appreciate you guys having 625 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 4: me on. I'm excited, totally. 626 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Look the Dynasty community. You guys sort of I 627 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: won't say you're dormant during the season because everybody's still 628 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: playing the game, but you guys really sort of come 629 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: out of hibernation once we get to January and then 630 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: there are trades happening, there are evaluations, rookie drafts will 631 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: be coming up in just a little bit. But I 632 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: know free agency is a big time for a lot 633 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: of folks and a lot of players sort of moving 634 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: up and down the rankings and probably changing hands across teams. 635 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: So that's why I wanted to get you on to 636 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: kind of talk about things now that we've kind of 637 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: gotten through this major wave of free agency. And the 638 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: first thing for me was justin Field is the name 639 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: that everybody was sort of keen on, right, a youngish 640 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: quarterback that had that rushing upside that seemed to be 641 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, kind of in limbo of whether or not 642 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: he was going to be a franchise quarterback in Chicago. 643 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: Then we get the trade, he moves to Pittsburgh. He 644 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: is behind Russell Wilson at least for now, it seems 645 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: what does this do for his dynasty value? Are folks 646 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: holding justin Fields? How should be? How should dynasty managers 647 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: be handling this? 648 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, his value really has taken a massive hit, obviously 649 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 4: with the news that he has traded to the Steelers, which, 650 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 4: you know, you could say, look, maybe he does win 651 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 4: the starting job eventually over Uss, who is clearly not 652 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 4: the same blairer he was you know five years ago 653 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 4: in Seattle. That much is definitely true. But when I 654 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 4: look at this offense, and you think about Arthur Smith 655 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 4: and Mike Tomlin and the Steelers, who not a joke, 656 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,479 Speaker 4: I think, want to win every game seventeen fourteen if 657 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 4: they can control the ball, run the ball, play a 658 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 4: really good defense, and the turnovers are a killer. Right, 659 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 4: So like for that style, that's a killer. I don't 660 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 4: think Justin Fields fits that very well. And now I 661 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 4: like them move from an NFL standpoint for that team 662 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 4: basically for free they got him, right, I mean low cost, 663 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 4: and you know you get that quarterback room with Russ 664 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 4: who's being paid by Denver. Justin Field's on a very cheap, 665 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 4: you know trade. I like the moneyball approach from Pittsburgh, 666 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 4: especially with what they got from Kenny Pickett the last 667 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 4: couple of years. So I like to move on that front. 668 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 4: But for Dynasty, I think you just have to hold 669 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,479 Speaker 4: right now and you have to kind of hope that 670 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 4: he takes over the job. The issue is there's, you know, 671 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 4: in the comp pick situation, the Steelers are almost incentivized 672 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 4: not to play him. In other words, they have to, 673 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 4: you know, pay more to the Bears if he does, 674 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 4: you know, play a certain number of snaps or certa 675 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 4: number starts. I'm not sure the burbage, but basically they're 676 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 4: incentivized to play Russ in this situation. So it's a 677 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 4: really tough sell for me on this year as far 678 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 4: as trying to go out and get him. But if 679 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 4: you've got him, I think you hold and you hope 680 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 4: and you hope that he lands a starting job, you know, 681 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 4: maybe the back half this year, but into twenty twenty five. 682 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was questioning myself and you explained 683 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: it perfectly. I feel like you kind of hold and 684 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: sit tight right now because we really don't know what's 685 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 2: going on. I'm just happy, you know, from an NFL standpoint, 686 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 2: where he went the location and hopefully he could probably 687 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: learn some things from Russell and maybe develop and kind 688 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 2: of see what Arter Smith has in store for him 689 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: if he ends up staying. But the dynasty. 690 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 4: Value did take a huge hit. 691 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 2: But for me personally, I'm gonna be out there buying. 692 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: I'm a guy that's out there just curious to see, 693 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 2: you know, what the price tag is kind of for 694 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 2: justin Fields, for somebody as a manager. I know you 695 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 2: said you're holding, but you're probably not really that buying. 696 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: But what would be the kind of like range and 697 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: value and price of like a Justin Fields right now 698 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 2: in a situation he's in. 699 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if you're talking like rookie picks, especially 700 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 4: in a super flex format, honestly, I think the price 701 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 4: is so cheap at this point. It's probably a mid 702 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 4: to back end second round pick in a rookie draft, 703 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 4: which the hit rate on those we know is quite terrible, 704 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 4: as is this class. You know, there are there are 705 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 4: some some quality wide receivers that will fall because it 706 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 4: superflexed format. So I get why you'd want the second, 707 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 4: but I think that is kind of the fair range 708 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 4: right now for his value. If you're hoping to get more, 709 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 4: I don't see it out there. I have him in 710 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 4: a league where, you know, I really was trying to 711 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 4: move him quickly kind of before things settled when the 712 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 4: market started to dry up for him, and it wasn't 713 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 4: as a robust of a trade market just like the 714 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 4: NFL as I thought it'd be. So yeah, if you 715 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 4: can get him on the sheep, you know, if it 716 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 4: doesn't cost you much much like the Steelers did, I 717 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,919 Speaker 4: get that. That's kind of where I see him valued. 718 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: Speaking of quarterbacks who have different situations. Now, it's a 719 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: different world for Justin Herbert in Los Angeles. Yeah, Jim 720 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: Harboss the head coach, Greg Rowans the offensive coordinator. These 721 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: are two guys that historically have wanted to run the ball. 722 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: Mike Williams now lands in New York with the Jets. 723 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: Keenan Allen is at USC on Wednesday morning wearing Bears 724 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: gear checking out his potential new quarterback in Caleb Williams. 725 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: How far is Justin Herbert falling now? Because this looks 726 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: like a run based offense for the Chargers. 727 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, they have told us exactly what they want to 728 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 4: do with their moves. 729 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: Right. 730 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 4: You bring in Jim Harball, you hire Greg Grohman, you 731 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 4: let go of both Big Mike and Keenan, and you 732 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 4: signed two blocking tight ends and Gus Edwards on the 733 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 4: first couple of days of frequency. So the writing is 734 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 4: on the wall. Currently, they have four wide receivers on 735 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 4: the roster. Now, of course, the NFL Draft will happen, 736 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 4: but as of right now, it's Quinton Johnson as the 737 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 4: wide receiver one and Joshua Palmer. It's really hard in 738 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 4: fantasy exactly to be a good quarterback when you have 739 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 4: minimal pass attempts, which I think is the case obviously, 740 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 4: and you don't have elite talents help elevate your efficiency. 741 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 4: So for a guy that's you know, he could run 742 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 4: for somewhere in the range of three to five hundred 743 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 4: yards you know, in a good year, but like he's 744 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 4: never going to be Lamar Jackson obviously. So, man, this 745 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 4: is so sad. I love Justin Herbert. I'm a big 746 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 4: believer in him as a player, but for fantasy, like 747 00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 4: I think when people stat them out come, you know, 748 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 4: the start of the season, he's probably gonna be somewhere 749 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 4: in like the quarterback fourteen fifteen sixteen ish range. Man, 750 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 4: it's tough, and it's really sad because I think he's 751 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 4: one of the best actual passers in the NFL. 752 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 2: Oh Man, Yeah, I mean he's part of that five 753 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 2: thousand club. Man. He threw for five thousand yards not 754 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 2: too long ago. And it's like we're about to change 755 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 2: the entire offense. We're about to kick everybody out key pieces. Man, Like, 756 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 2: it's pretty nuts. But I kind of get the logic 757 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,240 Speaker 2: if you guys agree, Like they didn't really do anything 758 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,439 Speaker 2: when they did have Keenan at the healthy didn't really 759 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 2: do anything. When they had Austin Eckler or Mike Williams, 760 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 2: they weren't a powerhouse team. But my question is, like, 761 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 2: what do I do with Justin Herbert right now? I 762 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 2: mean the writings on the wall like we talked about, 763 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,439 Speaker 2: like do I move him as a piece right now? 764 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 2: And what would the price. 765 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: Be looking like? 766 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 4: Also, yeah, I think you know, for me, for for 767 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 4: Dynasty leagues, I still am a believer in him as 768 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 4: a player. Like I said, so similar to the fields thing, 769 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 4: if there is a buying window, it's probably right now 770 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 4: where everyone sees the moves they made, everyone knows the 771 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 4: highers they made, and it's like, oh, this is going 772 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 4: to be terrible. But if you're a rebuilding team in Dynasty, 773 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 4: you're not a contender. I think it makes sense to 774 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 4: try to go out and get Justin Herbert in the 775 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 4: event that, hey, they do take a wide receiver at five, 776 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 4: or they trade back and still get one of the 777 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 4: wide receivers in this class that are top notch, and 778 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 4: they do up Justin Herbert's rushing. So I see the 779 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 4: path where it does work out down the line. But 780 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 4: I think just with this year in mind, you need 781 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 4: to be I think tempering expectations. But like I said 782 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 4: in Dynasty, you know, I still believe in him, and 783 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,760 Speaker 4: year over year, it seems like the quarterback position in Dynasty, 784 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 4: especially super flex, is way overvalued. 785 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 2: You know. 786 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 4: We talk about that a lot on our show, where 787 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,280 Speaker 4: it's like, hey, I've got the quarterback you know, fifteen, 788 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 4: Like he's locked in this year. Mac Jones isn't starting anymore, 789 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 4: Derek Carr might not be starting much longer. Like these 790 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 4: guys that you think you have and you just plug 791 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 4: him in as your quarterback too. You probably don't because 792 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 4: the NFL changes so quickly, but with Justin Herbert, there's 793 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 4: no doubt he is there, so he at least has 794 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 4: that security to his game. 795 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm playing in super flex leagues, Dynasty 796 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: or otherwise. I mean I think I've I've gotten to 797 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 1: a point where, depending on the quarterbacks on my roster 798 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: or on the board, sometimes it makes more sense to 799 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: just have that position be maybe another wide receiver or 800 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: somebody like that, you know, as opposed to trying to 801 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,280 Speaker 1: just you know, shoehorn a quarterback in there just because 802 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: he is a quarterback. You know, what's the point that 803 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: guy's only going to give you fifteen points, you could 804 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: probably get sixteen or seventeen out of somebody at a 805 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: different position. I mean, I think that's sort of a 806 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 1: mindset that I think, you know, playing super flex, you 807 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: kind of have to learn to get out of a 808 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: little bit. But since we're talking about quarterbacks, it's kind 809 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: of keep this theme going because I think a lot 810 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: of them were impacted during free agency. The Jaguars lose 811 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, they bring in Gabe Davis. Davis never a 812 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: guy who's who could succeed and a really great offense 813 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: with Josh Allen as quarterback. Now he goes to Trevor Lawrence. 814 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: Do these changes make you concerned at all about te 815 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: law down there in Jacksonville. 816 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so tough, right because, like I do think 817 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 4: he is a talented NFL quarterback. But for fantasy, you know, 818 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 4: when he was coming out of school out of Clemson, 819 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,800 Speaker 4: kind of like similar to the Keleb Williams feeling, it 820 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,879 Speaker 4: was like, oh, this can't miss. This is definitely gonna work, 821 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 4: no questions asked. Now, granted his rookie year was a 822 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 4: complete disaster, thank you, Erbert Meyer, but we need to 823 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 4: be realistic about who Trevor Lawrence is for fantasy, which 824 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 4: I think is a good back end quarterback one, maybe 825 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 4: high end quarterback two when you talk about, you know, 826 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,800 Speaker 4: twelve man leagues. But is he ever going to be 827 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 4: a top five guy? I highly doubt it. We haven't 828 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 4: seen a huge ceiling from him as a runner, we 829 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 4: haven't seen him have an outlier touchdown season. And now 830 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 4: you lose Calvin Ridley, who you know, I don't know 831 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 4: that he was maybe a real one for fantasy. It's 832 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 4: certainly not. But like the NFL clearly viewed him that way. 833 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,439 Speaker 4: You lose him, you've got a three wide receiver set 834 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 4: currently as it stands with Gabe Davis, z A. Jones. 835 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 4: We'll see if they move on from him or not, 836 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 4: and Christian Kirk. So it's not inspiring, and I think 837 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 4: if there's someone else out there in dynasty circles that 838 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,439 Speaker 4: kind of uwse him as locked in top ten guy 839 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 4: moving forward, I'd probably be looking to get out from that. Personally, 840 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,760 Speaker 4: I don't see a huge ceiling. Again. I think he's fine. 841 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 4: I think he can give quarterback to twelve numbers, but 842 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 4: in today's game, that doesn't really move the needle. A 843 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 4: lot for fantasy. 844 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 3: No, I completely agree. 845 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 2: I'm on the same side. He's not living up to 846 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 2: expectations whatsoever. And as a manager who has him on 847 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 2: a ton a ton of leagues, it's like twenty twenty 848 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 2: two was such a building block form where it's like, Okay, 849 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 2: we got thirty touchdowns oute of Trevor Larrence, you know, total, 850 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 2: so let's try to keep this going, and then kind 851 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 2: of takes, you know, a downslide. You know, he did 852 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 2: get banged up, and Calvin Ridley just clearly didn't work 853 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 2: with that system that they had going on, not utilizing 854 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 2: him properly. So I think I agree. I think this 855 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 2: will be the time another window to try to get 856 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 2: off of Trevor Lawrence because I think his name still 857 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 2: sells as a you know, NFL stud you know what 858 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 2: I mean. Like people think that he's this QB one 859 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 2: that we talk about amongst the Joe Burrows to Josh 860 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 2: Allence and stuff. But when we look at it for fantasy, 861 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 2: this isn't a guy I really want my roster where 862 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 2: I have a roster of Derek Carrs and Kirk Cousins 863 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 2: and etcetera. You know what I mean, Like this is 864 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 2: a real roster I have right now. I'm in pain 865 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 2: right now. 866 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: But that's a menu of mid the mid off. 867 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 2: That's the name of my team, the mid off. 868 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, I think I think Trevor Lawrence. 869 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: I think you guys are have the nail on the head. 870 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: Is that Trevor Lawrence. He's not a bad quarterback, but 871 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: he's not the you know, generational franchise guy that he 872 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: was projected to be coming out of Clemson. You know 873 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: how much of that is on Trevor Lawrence? How much 874 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: of that is on us with our lofty expectations. We 875 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: can debate that for a while. No, not similar expectations 876 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: for will Levis, but definitely there were some expectations, some 877 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,760 Speaker 1: hope that will Levis could help turn things around in Tennessee. 878 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: And this year I think he finally gets a true 879 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: opportunity to do that. They go get Calvin Ridley, they 880 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: bring in Tony Pollard. It looks like they want to 881 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: throw the football more. Our our dynasty managers buying Will 882 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: Levis right now, Matthew. 883 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 4: I don't think they are, really. I haven't seen a 884 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 4: huge market for him in the leagues that I play in. 885 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 4: I get why you'd be excited because you know, they 886 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 4: bring in a definitely more pass friendly offense. They still 887 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,240 Speaker 4: have Daniel Hopkins, they bring in Cavin Ridley to a massive, 888 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 4: massive contract, and they bring in too, you know, non 889 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 4: Derek Henry esque running backs that kind of win in 890 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 4: space right, very different, you know, skill sets in Tajy 891 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 4: Spears and Tony Pollard. So I get why you'd be 892 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 4: excited because they are surrounding him with those weapons. The 893 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 4: issue for me is that I'm just a firm believer 894 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 4: in when a player shows you who they are. I'm 895 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 4: not saying these guys need to be superstars right out 896 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 4: of the gate, but when they show you who they are, 897 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 4: it's usually who they are, especially at the quarterback position. 898 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 4: And he was a big time, big time you know 899 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,320 Speaker 4: liability against pressure last year. Just cannot see pressure whatsoever. 900 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 4: The offensive line is still a mess. So if their 901 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,399 Speaker 4: plan is to up the pass rate and drop back 902 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 4: Will Levis a ton I'm worried about that. 903 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 3: Now. 904 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 4: They could deerfinitely take him offensive tackle at seventh overaw 905 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 4: and that would help certainly. But I'm not a Will 906 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,919 Speaker 4: Levis guy. I don't see him as a stick around 907 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 4: as a starter in the NFL for very long. So 908 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 4: right now in dynasty leagues, if there's an opportunity to 909 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 4: get out from Will Levis, I think it's it's right now. 910 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 2: I gotta be honest. I got nothing for Will of Levis. 911 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:18,320 Speaker 2: I completely agree. I got hot take or something someone No, no, no, no, no. 912 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: I mean I think I think it is kind of 913 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 1: wish casting, right And I think if you if you've 914 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 1: got Will Levis, maybe you're keeping your fingers crossed and 915 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,720 Speaker 1: hoping he develops into something. 916 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 2: I'm curious he has a big arm. You got some 917 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 2: weapons on the perimeter now, and you know. 918 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,240 Speaker 1: Are you curious to kick the tires? 919 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 2: No? 920 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: All? 921 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 4: Right? 922 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 2: Then then right exactly. 923 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: That's the end of that one. There a lot of 924 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,399 Speaker 1: veteran running backs changing teams this past this off seas. 925 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: I guess this past couple of weeks, you know Saquon, 926 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, Aaron Jones, Derek Henry. Of the guys who 927 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 1: moved and have new landing spots, which one have you 928 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: seen get sort of the biggest bump in interest in 929 00:43:59,080 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 1: dynasty leagues. 930 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,799 Speaker 4: I think everyone right now is hot and heavy for 931 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 4: Josh s. Jacobs because when you look at just the 932 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 4: Green Bay Packers running back room as a whole. Over 933 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 4: the last several years, it's been one we want to 934 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,879 Speaker 4: invest in. Right They've been very good, even AJ Dillon, 935 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 4: who was terrible last year from an efficiency standpoint, but 936 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 4: there was years where AJ Dillon was pretty good in 937 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 4: that backfield. So I think people are just, you know, 938 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 4: they see the four year contract with a major asterisk 939 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 4: next to it for Josh Shacobs, because it's really a 940 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 4: one year deal worth about fourteen million dollars and there's 941 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 4: three option years for Green Bay. So right now, for me, 942 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,399 Speaker 4: I have Josh Jacobs in a couple of leagues. I'm 943 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,799 Speaker 4: excited about the landing spot. But I think he might 944 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 4: be overvalued in dynasty for a couple of reasons. One 945 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 4: is the contract, which again is a little bit misleading. 946 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 4: The other thing is that you know, and he did 947 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,840 Speaker 4: hold out for the entire offseasons, so that played a 948 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 4: role in it. But there's no way to really, you know, 949 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,839 Speaker 4: argue like he was one of the worst running backs 950 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 4: in football last year and if he goes to the situation, 951 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 4: it doesn't work out, and Green Bay says, you know what, 952 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 4: We're not going to take those three extra years with you, 953 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 4: You're stuck holding back again in dynasty. So I'm trying 954 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 4: to kind of strike while the iron's hot and maybe 955 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 4: move on from Josh Jacobs and see if I can 956 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,240 Speaker 4: get in early first this year in the rookie draft 957 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,440 Speaker 4: or you know, swap an upgrade at the position if 958 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 4: I can. 959 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, definitely, if you can go in that 960 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 2: early round, that in that first round and try to 961 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,880 Speaker 2: get you know, team needs, I will be willing to 962 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 2: move over Josh Jacobs, you know, based on last season's performance. 963 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,319 Speaker 2: But more so I'm just really this is where I'm 964 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,319 Speaker 2: curious to where I'm kicking the tires on this as well. 965 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 2: I have acquired some Josh Jacobs for you know, basically 966 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 2: a late first round, but I definitely think that his 967 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 2: ability to be used in the passing game will help 968 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 2: his PPR right his upside. And I think that more 969 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 2: so with the electric young talent that the Packers have 970 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,800 Speaker 2: on that perimeter and et cetera. There's gonna be a 971 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,319 Speaker 2: lot of interchangeing of where you know, Christian Watson, He's 972 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 2: probably not gonna be available for X amount of weeks, 973 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Jayden Reed is an electric offense and 974 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,000 Speaker 2: you get that run game going with the play action 975 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 2: with Jordan Love, I think we can actually get a good, bounced, 976 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 2: decent Josh Jacobs this season. Just I just don't see 977 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,719 Speaker 2: him being the work whorse he was over there in 978 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 2: Las Vegas. 979 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I think I think some of 980 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,799 Speaker 1: this two comes back to you, like depending on who 981 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 1: you're targeting. And Matthew kind of talked about this with 982 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert. Some of it depends on your positioning. Right, 983 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: if you are a team that feels like you are 984 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,319 Speaker 1: trying to win, now, maybe you take a chance on 985 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 1: somebody with you, maybe with a little bit of a 986 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,280 Speaker 1: shorter runway, right, I mean Derrick Henry obviously at age thirty, 987 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 1: maybe not as valuable as he once was, but in 988 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: a position to be productive. If that helps you, I 989 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,879 Speaker 1: think you go do that. I think Josh Jacobs gives 990 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: you a little more leeway that four years, being a 991 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: little bit younger, gives you a little bit more time 992 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: to play with. And is there a strong running back 993 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: market outside of like you know, you mentioned Josh Jacobs, 994 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,360 Speaker 1: but I mean, obviously people are still interested in Christian McCaffrey, 995 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: probably less so because he's a year older. But Bijon, 996 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: Breze Hall, Jamiir Gibbs i'd imagine are very popular. Is 997 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,799 Speaker 1: there a strong running back market out there right now? 998 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 4: Non Dynasty man, I mean it really is like that. 999 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 4: I mean you can include CMC I guess in that 1000 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,760 Speaker 4: kind of top four, but really like those top three 1001 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,439 Speaker 4: stud young running backs who the off season has gone 1002 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,880 Speaker 4: great for Brice Hall with investing the offensive line. Obviously, 1003 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,360 Speaker 4: you bring in like Williams another weapon there, Aaron Rodgers 1004 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 4: presumably healthy, and then Bijon gets rid of Arthur Smith 1005 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,319 Speaker 4: and brings in Kirk Cousins. It's like these two of 1006 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 4: both have seen their situation improve and GiB showed us 1007 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,840 Speaker 4: everything we were looking for last year. So like that 1008 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,400 Speaker 4: big three, you know, they are the cornerstones of the 1009 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,120 Speaker 4: running back position in Dynasty, and beyond that you kind 1010 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 4: of have like a middle tier, I think, where it's like, okay, 1011 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 4: maybe you can make an argument for Devoni Chan or 1012 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 4: Karen Williams or Jonathan Taylor, maybe Travis Etn. But after 1013 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 4: that it's such like a bunch of guys. You know, 1014 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,080 Speaker 4: it's really tough from a Dynasty value standpoint. Beyond those guys, 1015 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 4: and I think part of the reason for that is 1016 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 4: because this year's rookie running back class is not quite 1017 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 4: as strong. We probably will have a hit or two 1018 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 4: in that class, but relative to last year, where it's like, oh, 1019 00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,360 Speaker 4: we're getting Bijon and Gibbs in the top twelve of 1020 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 4: the NFL Draft, we're not getting anything close obviously, And 1021 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 4: so these kind of free agents that had I think 1022 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 4: the running was on the wall, maybe they're starting to 1023 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,840 Speaker 4: decline a little bit, like the Joe Mixons of the world. 1024 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,399 Speaker 4: Maybe Derrick Henry, like those kind of guys. They now 1025 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,360 Speaker 4: have a second chance right to kind of rebound in value. 1026 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,239 Speaker 4: So in my personal approach, I'm trying to kind of 1027 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 4: take more of a moneyball approach here with running back, 1028 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 4: where you know, if I am a contender, I don't 1029 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,360 Speaker 4: really want to go out and pay top dollar for 1030 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 4: you know, Jonathan Taylor when I maybe get eighty percent 1031 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 4: of the production from someone like Joe Mixon in a 1032 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,000 Speaker 4: good offense, you know, someone like that Derrick Henry, if 1033 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,960 Speaker 4: the touchdown variance goes his way, I'll I guess Gus Edwards. 1034 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 4: That's kind of my approach right now in Dynasty with 1035 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 4: running backs because it is I think a pretty big 1036 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 4: drop off after the top four. 1037 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,040 Speaker 1: Last one here. I appreciate the time. Look, I know 1038 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 1: we're talking free agency, but the draft obviously coming around again. 1039 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: I mean, the wide receiver class has been lauded, heralded 1040 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,319 Speaker 1: as being really really great, really really deep, the top 1041 00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 1: three in whatever order you want to put a mar 1042 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,640 Speaker 1: Harrison Junior, Elite Neighbors, Romo Donze for dynasty managers, which 1043 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 1: one of these guys is the biggest no brainer regardless 1044 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:08,560 Speaker 1: of landing spot. 1045 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I'm gonna take the chalk here. I'm 1046 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 4: gonna take Marvin Harrison Junior. He's been the dude for 1047 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 4: the last couple of years. It's like as soon as 1048 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,480 Speaker 4: we knew he was going to declare, like he's clearly 1049 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,480 Speaker 4: the guy. And I know there's been a little bit 1050 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,759 Speaker 4: of buzz this week and saying, hey, hey, there's some 1051 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,279 Speaker 4: teams out there that might have Molik Neighbors over him. 1052 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 4: I get it, but like, are you just kind of 1053 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 4: getting you know, prospect fatigue at this point, kind of 1054 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,359 Speaker 4: forgetting how good Marvius Harrison Junior is. 1055 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:32,880 Speaker 1: To me? 1056 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,839 Speaker 4: He's the guy in this class and he's gonna be great. 1057 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think a prospect fatigue has become real, 1058 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,640 Speaker 1: especially like guys like Marvin Harrison, guys like Caleb Williams 1059 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,319 Speaker 1: that we have been talking about for two years now. 1060 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,160 Speaker 1: I mean to the point that we're starting to nitpick 1061 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,279 Speaker 1: literally everything. I saw a tweet this morning that said, oh, 1062 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,040 Speaker 1: Caleb showed up late to his pro day. Take from that, 1063 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 1: which you will, And I'm like, I take nothing from it. 1064 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,719 Speaker 1: I don't care what color was his nails. Yeah, I mean, 1065 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 1: it just it doesn't matter. So I think we have 1066 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,480 Speaker 1: reached prospect fatigue time. And the good news is we 1067 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,239 Speaker 1: still have like six weeks to go until the draft, 1068 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,960 Speaker 1: so we'll get wrong. What could go wrong exactly. Matthew 1069 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,200 Speaker 1: Betts appreciate the time for folks who are uninitiated. Where 1070 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: can they find your stuff? Yeah? 1071 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,919 Speaker 4: Man, everything with the Fantasy Footballers. We've got the Fantasy 1072 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 4: Footballers Dynasty Show going on right now, and then you 1073 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,760 Speaker 4: can catch me throughout the summer and then in season 1074 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 4: as well in the DFS and betting podcast fun show 1075 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 4: I do with with Kyle Organoni. We talk a lot 1076 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,160 Speaker 4: about bestball in the summer, some you know, NFL futures 1077 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,840 Speaker 4: betting MVP markets offensive Player that year, stuff like that, 1078 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 4: and then in season it's the weekly grind of DFS 1079 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 4: for us. So a lot of fun but always good 1080 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:38,320 Speaker 4: things happening with the ballers. 1081 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah, I'm glad to have you guys in the family. Guys, 1082 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,279 Speaker 1: it's been almost a year now at this point, but 1083 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,080 Speaker 1: the first time we've been able to get you on 1084 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,359 Speaker 1: the show. So looking forward to to what you guys 1085 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,399 Speaker 1: have this offseason and the season as well. Matthew, take 1086 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,239 Speaker 1: care man, be well. Hopefully we get too next soon. 1087 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 4: Sounds good. I appreciate you guys having me on. 1088 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,719 Speaker 1: Absolutely, take a quick break. Come back, we're gonna talk 1089 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,600 Speaker 1: some draft needs. Diving into Daniel Jeremy latest mock draft 1090 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,040 Speaker 1: DJ chooses Violence. We got that coming up next on 1091 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:14,080 Speaker 1: the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast thanks to Matthew Betts. Be 1092 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,120 Speaker 1: sure to check out the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast wherever 1093 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 1: you download Fine Podcasts, part of the NFL Media podcast Network. 1094 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,200 Speaker 1: Speaking of Dynasty, the draft is creeping up. I don't know, 1095 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 1: it's still what six weeks away basically until we start drafting, 1096 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,239 Speaker 1: and so that means we are heavy in the midst 1097 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,560 Speaker 1: of mock draft season. Daniel Jeremiah, our own draft guru, 1098 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,080 Speaker 1: has just put out his mock draft three point zero 1099 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,680 Speaker 1: and as he said on Twitter, he chose chaos with 1100 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,080 Speaker 1: this one, and he was absolutely right. Some of the 1101 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,160 Speaker 1: highlights in this He's got the Vikings trading up to 1102 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,160 Speaker 1: number four to take JJ McCarthy. So he's got four 1103 00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,440 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the first four picks, right, He's got Calebilliams, 1104 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,759 Speaker 1: Drake May, Jaden Daniels, and JJ McCarthy all the first 1105 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,560 Speaker 1: four picks off the board. He's got the Jets moving 1106 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,960 Speaker 1: up to number five to take Marvin Harrison junior. He's 1107 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 1: got the Bears taking Rome Odoonza at number nine. He's 1108 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,280 Speaker 1: got Brock Bowers going to the Broncos at number twelve. 1109 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,319 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think some of the Michael Pinnox at 1110 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:26,319 Speaker 1: thirteen to the Raiders. Some things to chew on in 1111 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:32,120 Speaker 1: this mock draft from Daniel Jeremiah. First off, anything in 1112 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 1: that list there, Floya that I read off that really 1113 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,320 Speaker 1: really kind of blows your mind. 1114 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,240 Speaker 3: The one thing I had never considered was the Jets 1115 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 3: moving up to five to get Marvin Harrison junior, and 1116 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,880 Speaker 3: a known Jets haters, that's not a surprise, but that 1117 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,480 Speaker 3: would be a tremendous move for them for the off 1118 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,960 Speaker 3: and not just for this year. Like, yes, Aaron Rodgers 1119 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 3: would have two tremendous but long term you're talking about 1120 00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,200 Speaker 3: that's probably the wouldn't say probably, I would say that 1121 00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,400 Speaker 3: is the best young one two punch in the NFL. 1122 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,960 Speaker 3: So even if Aaron Rodgers becomes president or whatever in 1123 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 3: a year, he's not just quarterback. Whoever comes into that 1124 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,000 Speaker 3: situation would be coming into one of the With Breece 1125 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,000 Speaker 3: Hall there as your running back you're talking about, and 1126 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,240 Speaker 3: the on line investments they made, there's a tremendous offense 1127 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:22,240 Speaker 3: for any quarterback. 1128 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like Aaron Rodgers may not be the 1129 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,880 Speaker 1: VP nominee. In fact, it looks like they may be 1130 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,880 Speaker 1: going with somebody off the Shanahan tree. Sort of joking. 1131 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 3: I wasn't sure if you were being serious. 1132 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, sort of joking but not. Yeah, anyway, just google 1133 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 1: it you'll find out yourself. Leakwan, you quote tweeted this 1134 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,400 Speaker 1: and you talked about the brock Bauers at twelve to 1135 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,120 Speaker 1: the Broncos. That sort of hurts my heart. 1136 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was just like, what, like, this 1137 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,680 Speaker 2: is crazy I mean it would be a Sean Payton move. 1138 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,120 Speaker 2: I mean, best available is what Daniel Jeremiah said in 1139 00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,839 Speaker 2: this article. That'll be best available player right there. But 1140 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,759 Speaker 2: I gotta say I'm not mad at it. I'm not 1141 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,320 Speaker 2: mad at it. I think Ron Awers would be instant 1142 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,960 Speaker 2: Fantasy Gem right there to where he will be a 1143 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,520 Speaker 2: lock in that top three. Just getting fed targets. I mean, 1144 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,799 Speaker 2: might have Jared Stanham throwing you the ball. 1145 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:18,080 Speaker 1: But I don't feel like you can discount that though, 1146 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,440 Speaker 1: until they figure out the quarterback situation because it's nasty. 1147 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,920 Speaker 2: I'm just excited to see it, though, I kind of 1148 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:24,600 Speaker 2: want to see it. 1149 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,280 Speaker 1: And look, I know we got all excited right because 1150 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,960 Speaker 1: we saw rookie tight ends do things this past year. 1151 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,000 Speaker 1: Right when Sam Laporte is going out and being the 1152 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,759 Speaker 1: tight end one, when we see Dalton Kincaid having flashes, 1153 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,800 Speaker 1: We're seeing a lot of these young tight ends do things. 1154 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,520 Speaker 1: The connective tissue is that those guys had decent quarterbacks 1155 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,880 Speaker 1: and we're good and good offenses, and right now you 1156 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:52,200 Speaker 1: can't say that about the Broncos. I mean, I like 1157 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,680 Speaker 1: Greg Dulsic enough coming out of college, and he had 1158 00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,759 Speaker 1: some decent moments in his rookie season and then the wheels. 1159 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,480 Speaker 1: You know, I won't say they fell off, but he 1160 00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,160 Speaker 1: kind of he just kind of disappeared. So like I 1161 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,040 Speaker 1: don't I don't want brock Bauers to go to Denver. 1162 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,240 Speaker 1: I just don't. 1163 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,000 Speaker 2: Hey, maybe Drew Brees is coming out of retirement. Man, 1164 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,080 Speaker 2: never know, the. 1165 00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,840 Speaker 1: Arm is shot, like he's he gonna throw left handed? 1166 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,759 Speaker 1: Like I what, what's gonna happen? I know, I just 1167 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,120 Speaker 1: I don't want this man. He chose chaos. 1168 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,560 Speaker 2: He will go wild energy doing this mock draft by 1169 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,480 Speaker 2: the way, but shout out Dan, Daniel Jeremier. 1170 00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,719 Speaker 1: And it's like Drew Brees just recently said, like his 1171 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,799 Speaker 1: right arm doesn't work when he plays with his kids, 1172 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,160 Speaker 1: he throws left handed, Like yeah, that would work. Funny, 1173 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,440 Speaker 1: Actually that works in the backyard with your kids. That 1174 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,600 Speaker 1: does not work when you're facing down, you know, Max 1175 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,040 Speaker 1: Crosby and Christian Wilkins a couple of times a year, 1176 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,800 Speaker 1: right like when you're dealing with Chris Jones in your face, 1177 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,719 Speaker 1: Like you try to toss the ball left hand, It's 1178 00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,640 Speaker 1: probably not gonna work out, Uh consistently. That's just my 1179 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,719 Speaker 1: thought there looking around though, some of the other things 1180 00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:55,880 Speaker 1: that potentially could happen. 1181 00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:56,400 Speaker 4: Uh. 1182 00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,440 Speaker 1: One of the questions I asked was, uh, do the 1183 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,200 Speaker 1: Vikings up to get a quarterback? According to DJ he 1184 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,200 Speaker 1: suggesting maybe they get up to get JJ McCarthy. If 1185 00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,800 Speaker 1: that happens Floria, I mean, does he start over Sam 1186 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,480 Speaker 1: Darnold right away or does he sit and watch? And 1187 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,400 Speaker 1: what does this mean for Justin Jefferson? 1188 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,839 Speaker 3: I could see it going either way. Do you never 1189 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,920 Speaker 3: know what these teams. I am of the mindset that like, hey, 1190 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,520 Speaker 3: if you drafted him, moved up, already made a trade 1191 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,239 Speaker 3: to get a second first round pick, and then if 1192 00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,680 Speaker 3: you give up both of those plus more to move 1193 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,520 Speaker 3: up to get this kid, start him right away. But 1194 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,120 Speaker 3: teams sometimes like to use this bridge quarterback. Either way, 1195 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,960 Speaker 3: we're gonna see j McCarthy by October if this situation 1196 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 3: plays out. So for j Justin Jefferson, it's still a 1197 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,759 Speaker 3: downgrade from Kirk Cousins. And I would be saying that 1198 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,600 Speaker 3: about really any outside of Caleb maybe, but even Caleb 1199 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,640 Speaker 3: like not as proven not the chemistry isn't there. There's 1200 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 3: gonna be some growing pains. So I think going from 1201 00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,880 Speaker 3: a veteran like Kirk to any of these coreuarterbacks is 1202 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,000 Speaker 3: an immediate twenty twenty four downgrade, but he's still justin Jefferson. 1203 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:10,719 Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy is a really toolsy quarterback prospect, so I 1204 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,759 Speaker 3: think that he'll be fine. He's still a first round 1205 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,000 Speaker 3: wide receiver, but I don't think he is the wide 1206 00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 3: receiver one anymore. In fact, I think he's closer to 1207 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,240 Speaker 3: five than to one at the wide receiver position. But 1208 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,640 Speaker 3: he's still justin Jefferson. 1209 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Lakwan, we talk about Brock Bauers DJ mocking 1210 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,200 Speaker 1: him to the Denver Broncos. Don't they have to get 1211 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:32,920 Speaker 1: a quarterback? I mean, don't they have to try and 1212 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,520 Speaker 1: move up and do something to get a quarterback. They 1213 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,480 Speaker 1: can't go into the year with Jared Stidham as their. 1214 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,920 Speaker 2: Number one right. No, they absolutely have a plan. I 1215 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,520 Speaker 2: like them getting aggressive going up and getting JJ kind 1216 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,320 Speaker 2: of locking that up, and so I really feel as though, 1217 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,840 Speaker 2: you know, they come in and get a quarterback. 1218 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,520 Speaker 1: They definitely need it. Yeah, I mean, I think they 1219 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,400 Speaker 1: have to do something. It's just it can't be and 1220 00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,600 Speaker 1: I think you know, for Sean Payton, honestly, Sean Payton 1221 00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,680 Speaker 1: going after JJ McCarthy would seem to make a lot 1222 00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,160 Speaker 1: of sense. It just feels like he wants a toolsy 1223 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,400 Speaker 1: guy who he can sort of, you know, mold a 1224 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:04,919 Speaker 1: little bit. 1225 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,560 Speaker 3: I feel like bo Nicks is his guy, like a 1226 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:13,560 Speaker 3: veteran quarterback coming out of college. But I also could 1227 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,440 Speaker 3: see the Broncos completely punting this year and saying, we 1228 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,880 Speaker 3: have to clear all this cap. Let's go without a 1229 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,520 Speaker 3: quarterback and just ensure us that we have a top 1230 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,000 Speaker 3: two or three pick next year. 1231 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,040 Speaker 1: But it'll be really rough for a year. It's gonna 1232 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,720 Speaker 1: be really rough, especially because the consensus right now is 1233 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,720 Speaker 1: that next year's quarterback draft class is not very exciting, 1234 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:41,000 Speaker 1: which is why supposedly we have all these teams trying 1235 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,320 Speaker 1: to elbow each other to move up. It's why the Bears, 1236 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,160 Speaker 1: the Commanders, and the Patriots reportedly are not interested in 1237 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,520 Speaker 1: moving out of the top three because they feel like 1238 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,400 Speaker 1: this is their best chance over the next couple of 1239 00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,680 Speaker 1: years to find the guy who can be the guy. 1240 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,880 Speaker 1: So I mean, look, look, I can't speak to what 1241 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,920 Speaker 1: Sean Payton is going to do, what his mindset is, 1242 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,880 Speaker 1: but it feels like punting on quarterback this year is 1243 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:08,440 Speaker 1: an awful idea. But that's just me, I gotta ask 1244 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,520 Speaker 1: you this floy because do the Bills do they target 1245 00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:11,800 Speaker 1: a wide receiver in the first round. 1246 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:19,000 Speaker 3: I hope so, but I think the Curtis Samuel signing 1247 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,040 Speaker 3: allows them to look they have to take a wide 1248 00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,800 Speaker 3: receiver in the first two rounds and they have a 1249 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,240 Speaker 3: lot of draft capital this year eleven picks, so they 1250 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,560 Speaker 3: potentially maybe move up in the second or something like that. 1251 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,120 Speaker 3: I'm hoping they take their guy in the first, but 1252 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,840 Speaker 3: I think with Curtis Samuel, the fact that he could 1253 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,320 Speaker 3: play outside and in the slot, is more of a 1254 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,120 Speaker 3: yat guy than they've had and has some speed there 1255 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,000 Speaker 3: as well. He kind of gives them the versatility where 1256 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,320 Speaker 3: if they're not in love with someone in round one, 1257 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,560 Speaker 3: maybe they wait for someone in round two. But either way, 1258 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,560 Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a not the best fan 1259 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,320 Speaker 3: like you would think, Okay, great fantasy landing spot with 1260 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,480 Speaker 3: Josh Allen, but I think like they're not going to 1261 00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,680 Speaker 3: get one of the big names of this class, like 1262 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,320 Speaker 3: the top. So whoever they get, I could see being 1263 01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,840 Speaker 3: a rotational piece with sometimes like the rookie plays out 1264 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,560 Speaker 3: wide and Samuel plays in the slot. Sometimes Samuel's out 1265 01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,560 Speaker 3: wide and Shakiir's in the slot, and then you have 1266 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,840 Speaker 3: Dalton and Kid getting mixed in there as well. So 1267 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,880 Speaker 3: I think they should be in the I think they're 1268 01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,600 Speaker 3: one hundred percent in the market for one. I think 1269 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,560 Speaker 3: they will draft one early. I'm just not entirely sure 1270 01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,720 Speaker 3: it's gonna be a first round pick because they've never 1271 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,360 Speaker 3: taken one. This regime has never taken in the first round. 1272 01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,000 Speaker 3: I was gonna ask you about the Curtis Samuel thing too. 1273 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,120 Speaker 3: It sounds like you're in on Curtis Samuel. When it 1274 01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,480 Speaker 3: first happened, I was like, Okay, this is a solid 1275 01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,160 Speaker 3: depth signing. But the more I looked at it, the 1276 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,480 Speaker 3: more I'm like, there's his best year ever came with 1277 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,240 Speaker 3: Joe Brady. He's got some untapped speed, and front of 1278 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,600 Speaker 3: the show Matt Harmon loves him, so that's enough for me. 1279 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,320 Speaker 1: I feel like your description of it is how most 1280 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,720 Speaker 1: of fantasy Twitter sort of approached it, like it was 1281 01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,600 Speaker 1: a signing that kind of went under the radar. It 1282 01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,440 Speaker 1: didn't get a ton of fanfare, but I think when 1283 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,200 Speaker 1: people kind of started to dive into what it means 1284 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,880 Speaker 1: in the context of that offense and who Curtis Samuel 1285 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,720 Speaker 1: has been as a player. I think the consensus has 1286 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,880 Speaker 1: been like, no, this could be really good. There's the 1287 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,200 Speaker 1: potential for it to be really good. 1288 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's been a contributor man, even with the Commanders, 1289 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,720 Speaker 2: with his time over there bat own injury. I mean, 1290 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,840 Speaker 2: he's a guy you can move around the offense. He 1291 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,080 Speaker 2: even put him out of the backfield. I mean that's 1292 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,400 Speaker 2: that's great for Josh Allen to have a guy like that, 1293 01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,160 Speaker 2: you know, on the offense where he could look for 1294 01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:23,880 Speaker 2: him anywhere on the playbook and he'll. 1295 01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,640 Speaker 1: Be there for him. He's a reliable wide receiver. I 1296 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,440 Speaker 1: like him, Yeah, one hundred percent. So yeah, anyway, I 1297 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,320 Speaker 1: just god to dive into some of the draft stuff 1298 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. Now that we are mostly through the 1299 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,880 Speaker 1: free agent period, we can sort of turn our attention 1300 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,920 Speaker 1: to it. We're still, you know, at some point, we're 1301 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,040 Speaker 1: still trying to get Bucky Brooks on. We get some 1302 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,840 Speaker 1: of our friends across the industry, some of our friends 1303 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,880 Speaker 1: across the industry who are scouting. You look, at some 1304 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,600 Speaker 1: point we got to get Harmon on because you know, 1305 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:51,040 Speaker 1: he's better to talk about wide receivers than Matt Harmon. 1306 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,360 Speaker 1: Maybe get our O pal Joel Smith on too, because 1307 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,160 Speaker 1: he's doing a lot of really good kind of scouting stuff. 1308 01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:57,960 Speaker 1: He's a good guy to talk to him. Plus he's 1309 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:02,760 Speaker 1: our pal. So why not getttal Kata too, a Mettalcata, 1310 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,960 Speaker 1: who's another wide receiver whisperer out there. Get his thoughts 1311 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,040 Speaker 1: on some of these wide receivers out there that are 1312 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:12,440 Speaker 1: available in the draft. A couple of program notes for you. 1313 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,320 Speaker 1: We will have a special edition of NFL Fantasy Live 1314 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:19,440 Speaker 1: coming to you on Thursday. It's our free agency frenzy. 1315 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,560 Speaker 1: If I were more prepared, I would tell you what 1316 01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,160 Speaker 1: time exactly the show is airing. Actually it airs at 1317 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,320 Speaker 1: five pm Pacific time, eight pm Eastern. I pulled up 1318 01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,160 Speaker 1: my email just in time to tell you that right now, 1319 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,960 Speaker 1: So be sure to check that out coming on Thursday evening, 1320 01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,760 Speaker 1: and we'll be back with you on Thursday sort of 1321 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,520 Speaker 1: midday to give you another episode of the Fantasy cheat Sheets. 1322 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,120 Speaker 1: So check us out streaming live. You can check any 1323 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:43,480 Speaker 1: one of our Twitter feeds to kind of let you 1324 01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,720 Speaker 1: know when that is hitting. So we will get you 1325 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,560 Speaker 1: that again and hopefully you guys can jump in and 1326 01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,760 Speaker 1: be part of the chat and be interactive with us. 1327 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:51,800 Speaker 1: Because that's the whole point of the show. That's what 1328 01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,960 Speaker 1: we like. That is what we want from you and 1329 01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,840 Speaker 1: for us in the meantime. Fotus it for this edition 1330 01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,600 Speaker 1: of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Stay happy, safe and healthy, 1331 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,200 Speaker 1: do good and live well. Enjoy the week, everybody, and 1332 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:04,880 Speaker 1: we'll talk to you again real soon. 1333 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:24,000 Speaker 3: M