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Speaker 1: all bets are off. Welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Rashaan MacDonald. Our theme is there's no

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Speaker 1: we all have different definitions of success.

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Speaker 2: Living your own. Keep winning.

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Speaker 1: My guess is Tanya Lewis Lee and twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Indie Wire featured Tanya on their twenty twenty two Rising

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Speaker 1: Female Filmmakers to Watch. She's a producer, film director, writer, entrepreneur,

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Speaker 1: and women's health advocate, delivering meaningful content that resonates with

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Speaker 1: marginalized communities for over twenty years on the heels of

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Speaker 1: our influential children's book. The US Department of Health partner

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Speaker 1: with Tanya as the spokesperson for their A Healthy Baby

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Speaker 1: Begins with You Infant mortality awareness campaign from two thousand

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Speaker 1: and seven to twenty thirteen. Tanya's on the show today

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Speaker 1: discuss her new documentary following the deaths of two young

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Speaker 1: women due to childbirth complications to breed families, galvanized activists,

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Speaker 1: birth workers, and physicians to reckon with one of the

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Speaker 1: most pressing American crisis today, the US maternal health crisis.

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Speaker 1: Lee co directed co produced After Shock, which examines the

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Speaker 1: US maternity mortality crisis. Please welcome to the Money Making

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Speaker 1: Conversation Masterclass. The wonderful Tanya Lewis Lee.

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Speaker 2: How you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm good, Rashan, thank you so much for that wonderful introduction,

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Speaker 3: and I'm happy to be here in conversation with you

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Speaker 3: about the film.

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Speaker 1: We know I want the reason I hopefully I did

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Speaker 1: you justice in your intro, because to do a documentary

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Speaker 1: like this, there has to be some history, has to

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Speaker 1: be a person who just didn't and have a good idea,

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Speaker 1: came across a good story and made this amazing documentary

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Speaker 1: and by at least giving this background and it'll let

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Speaker 1: them know that a lot of emotional a lot of history,

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Speaker 1: a lot of experience went into creating Aftershock. Talk tell

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Speaker 1: us about how you got involved with this project.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and like I said, I really did appreciate your

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Speaker 3: introduction because you know, it was because of my children's book,

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Speaker 3: Please Baby, Please, that the US Department of Helping Human

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Speaker 3: Healthy Baby Begins with You. And it was through that

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that, making the fan, producing it,

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Speaker 2: It's also some history. It tells you.

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Speaker 1: This is a documentary and informs it educates you, especially

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Speaker 3: Shamani Gibson passed away in October twenty nineteen. In December

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Speaker 3: her partner Amari Maynard, decided to have an event that

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Speaker 2: Just talking to our audience.

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Speaker 1: You know, I love talking to talented people like Tellia

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Speaker 1: Lewis Lee. You know she said, we've reached out to them.

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Speaker 1: May now they allowed us to come in. You better

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Speaker 1: have a name you can google. You better have a reputation, You.

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Speaker 1: You better have an awareness that you just don't call

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Speaker 1: we want to come in and videotape without a reputation

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Speaker 1: that they know you have their, you have their their

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Speaker 2: I was really taking it back. We said, well this

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Speaker 2: And they we get that. We get that a lot.

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Speaker 1: Because I've been in the television business for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Is it the relationships?

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Speaker 1: Is it being able to have the resume that you have,

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Speaker 2: You know, supposed to be equally equal.

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Speaker 1: it's a personal journey. The emotional loss, the sunniness, the shock,

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Speaker 1: those moments of moments. But it's something that you, through

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Speaker 2: And I thought I would never do that again.

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Speaker 5: Tanya, Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with

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Speaker 5: more Money Making Conversations Master Class. Welcome back to the

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Speaker 3: Well, Well, I do hope that in watching their journey

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Speaker 4: That there is comfort in that because you are not alone,

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Speaker 4: I think you know, often when a woman has a child.

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Speaker 4: I've learned Bruce and Amari.

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Speaker 1: And it's important, like I said, when I look at

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Speaker 1: talking to Tanya Lewis Lee. A documentary was called Aftershock.

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Speaker 1: What I did realize is that you always hear that

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Speaker 2: It is a miracle to go through the birth process.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about their mom. It's a miracle for the

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Speaker 1: All those journeys and all those stories are being told

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Speaker 4: Through the people who have lost.

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Speaker 2: Is about it is not right. It should not be happening.

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Speaker 2: You know, I went, this is really because you know,

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Speaker 1: But when I see if my minors sociology, black history,

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Speaker 1: You know, we always talk about, you know, this critical

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Speaker 1: The line Tanya Lewis Lee, my wife had a beautiful daughter. Okay,

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Speaker 1: And when the opportunity presented itself, they said, mister McDonald,

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Speaker 1: I want to think thank you because of who you are,

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Speaker 1: to go from nineteen seventy six to see your documentary

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Speaker 1: that's a blessing. That's a blessing to know that I've

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Speaker 1: I didn't continue down that lane, but you brought me back,

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Speaker 1: and you brought me back with a slap up side

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Speaker 1: will you will? You would head it down the right track.

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Speaker 1: I will promote this for you. I would tell people

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Speaker 1: social media and my newsletters and everything. Fantastic project. And

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Speaker 1: again thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation Masterclass.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for the conversation with Sean. What

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Speaker 4: a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thank you And if you want to see this video

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