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Speaker 3: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. People love the media on media stuff.

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Speaker 4: Hilarious.

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Speaker 5: Security. Was Jordan Schultz gonna physically fight?

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Speaker 3: Well, he didn't say that. He said we're going to

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Speaker 3: have a problem.

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Speaker 6: They were a Starbucks, so you can't actually have a

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Speaker 6: physical confrontation. They've got to go to dunks today.

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Speaker 3: Right The most that can happen at Starbucks you might

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Speaker 3: get a croissant from you, But at duncan you throw down?

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Speaker 3: You throw down. I think that some teams that are

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Speaker 3: really needing a quarterback might make an offer that McVeigh

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Speaker 3: can't refuse, and they've got Garoppolo and the winds.

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Speaker 6: The last part of that isn't meant to be serious,

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Speaker 6: is it?

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Speaker 3: Why? I hate to bring Paul's little all into this,

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Speaker 3: But if he could start another tally, that would be great.

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Speaker 3: Do you go over the underwear or.

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Speaker 6: Through the door.

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Speaker 3: See if I'm wearing tidy whitey or when I used

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Speaker 3: to wear those, I would I would not go through

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Speaker 3: the door.

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Speaker 6: He's one of your envelope guys, right, you should be happy.

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Speaker 3: No, he doesn't qualify as a back good. These are

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Speaker 3: guys that you dig a little deeper, dig a little deeper,

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Speaker 3: you do some mining, and you find those jewels in

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Speaker 3: the mind. But I haven't got my books yet, so

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Speaker 3: I can't really start.

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Speaker 3: the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here at ji Lets Stadium.

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Speaker 3: Evan's back, Deuce is back. It smells like Indy here

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Speaker 3: in the studio. I don't know what that smells like

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Speaker 3: inie smell, I said, INDI not Indy's anyway. Yeah, So

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Speaker 3: it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuced, It's Matt

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Speaker 3: and the booth. And got a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 3: We've got Combine wrap up, We've got free agency, We've

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Speaker 3: got draft talk. There's so much going on. Where do

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Speaker 3: we start? I guess we start with the combine. Sure, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you guys spent way too much time there. What what

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Speaker 3: are your takeaways? You know, what did you learn? What

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Speaker 3: should we know?

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Speaker 6: God?

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Speaker 3: Where do we start at?

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Speaker 5: I don't. I don't even know where to where to

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Speaker 5: jump off. How about this, I'll just jump off by

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Speaker 5: saying right now, as we sit here, feels a little

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Speaker 5: like the Patriots are a no man's land unless they

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Speaker 5: could get Travis Hunter. It feels a little bit like

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Speaker 5: they're a no man's land. Not great testing from Mason Graham,

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Speaker 5: you know, not great measurements from Will Campbell. I think

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Speaker 5: a lot of people are stocked down a little bit

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Speaker 5: And right now my mind is, what is the uh

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Speaker 5: like an overdraft that you can't miss on?

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Speaker 6: You?

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Speaker 5: You might have to overdraft?

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Speaker 3: Who's worth over guy?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, at least going you know, with the numbers going

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Speaker 5: would have been worth the fourth overall pick. As Paul

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not easy. I'm not suggesting that these guys

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Speaker 6: It's not an easy test. This is not a great draft,

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Speaker 5: Talk about one to talk about the what was it

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Speaker 6: The twenty thirteen draft is a legendarily bad first round,

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Speaker 6: least it's an unsexy draft. Yeah, but you know, those

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Speaker 8: Yep, yeah, I guess I'll go. Duce said yesterday, I

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Speaker 3: You're having trouble processing I have.

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Speaker 5: I'm still having me came in on Will Campbell, Evan,

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Speaker 8: it's not last year. So you can't just sit here

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Speaker 8: no jolt you know there is no uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: So then it sounds like the Patriots will have their

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Speaker 8: I think that's what I'm trying to come to grips with.

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Speaker 6: You need to take his shoe.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's been a bad place because it just doesn't

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Speaker 3: But there's only two that should be so right, right,

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Speaker 3: So that's the reality.

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Speaker 5: has a relationship with Shitter Sanders to the Raiders. Does

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Speaker 5: he love sugar that much?

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Speaker 3: Should? Should? I know, I'm just trying to make.

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Speaker 6: You mispronounce them. He pronounces them funny, there's different and.

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Speaker 5: But does Brady love Sanders that much? To come up?

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Speaker 6: You know, strictly from from a home horrific standpoint for

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Speaker 6: So if he you know, if Donald signs with the

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Speaker 6: to take Abdul Carter now or Travis Hunter. I don't

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Speaker 6: want to trade down. I have my quarterback that's a veteran.

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Speaker 6: think are available. I think that lessens the trade market. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: you know, if you're the Raiders and you fall in

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Speaker 6: love with Shador Sanders, I don't see why you trade

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Speaker 8: That seems to be if you don't not a big

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Speaker 8: fan of Shador, that's six with the Raiders seems to

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Speaker 3: But at five, where are they the Patriots? No, the Raiders?

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Speaker 3: Six?

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Speaker 8: Yes, six to the Raiders would be what a lot

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Speaker 8: is his the highest he could possibly go in the

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Speaker 8: it's really going to be the quarterback tax, and is

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Speaker 8: it enticing enough for a team to take them that high.

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Speaker 8: I know there's other reports out there that he rubs

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Speaker 8: some people the wrong way already in some of these interviews.

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Speaker 8: I think Tom McShay said that on his podcast, and

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Speaker 5: He doesn't lack confidence at all. That was I mean,

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Speaker 8: It's a good way to put it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, And I wonder because I you know how

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Speaker 6: wonder if it's intentional. And we've heard a lot, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, in order to knock him with himself down.

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Speaker 6: I don't want Yeah, I don't want to get taken

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Speaker 8: I looked at it as kind of the opposite, because

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Speaker 6: Paper, that's what everyone says to be a top five pick.

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Speaker 8: But he's got the bravado, he's got the he's got

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Speaker 6: Name?

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Speaker 5: Just the name, like I mean, like light Year quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: He's one that stands out at least with his personality,

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Speaker 3: So there's no chance that I know we had Travis

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't want to undersell it too much, Like

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Speaker 8: some intangible stuff. He's got some instincts for the position,

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Speaker 8: with Tom Brady and probably every other quarterback guru under

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Speaker 3: Say he's better or the same or not as good

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Speaker 8: Coming out, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: He didn't have a good a college career as Baker Mayfield. Anything.

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Speaker 3: You know in his conference that that's all he did

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say a little bit worse coming out,

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Speaker 8: Like I think that he talent wise, like he's in

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Speaker 8: know some of those quarterbacks that when you know in

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Speaker 8: you know, I don't know if he where he would

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Speaker 3: Okay, so he's.

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Speaker 6: Not I don't know who's.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 6: I don't think he's terribly. I think he's good. I

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Speaker 3: Could end up being a really good NFL quarter Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think Michael Penix has far more skills than should Sanders.

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Speaker 8: He's got a better arm for him.

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Speaker 6: I forget who said this. I heard someone over the

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Speaker 6: doesn't you know, to go like like the scouting jargon,

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Speaker 6: He's not fast, he's not overly quick, he holds the

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Speaker 6: what he makes up for is the stuff that Evan

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Speaker 6: like his teammates love him. He's a good leader. You know,

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Speaker 6: He's got a really high level of competitiveness to him.

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Speaker 6: That's supposedly where he makes up for sort of an

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Speaker 6: I've watched him play many times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he seems to have a pretty good highlight reel.

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Speaker 6: He's not a stiff. Now they don't I mean the

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Speaker 6: This year they were a little bit better. I'm intrigued

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Speaker 6: by him, but I just he's not overly big, he's

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Speaker 6: But I say a lot of the same things about

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Speaker 6: Baker Mayfield. When he was coming out. I didn't understand it.

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Speaker 6: I didn't understand the first because he just wasn't to me,

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Speaker 5: Watch him at late I felt a little polarizing, Like

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Speaker 5: overcompence and just the cockiness that you know, he came

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Speaker 5: he's got the pedigree and he believes in himself. I

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Speaker 6: Irrational confidence helps him, Yeah, like it does. I think

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Speaker 3: The fact that his dad is Deon Sanders hurting him

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Speaker 6: You guys hearing it.

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Speaker 5: But I would just say, like, what's like I would

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Speaker 5: if he wasn't de On sanders son, you know, Like

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Speaker 5: it's almost you assume that he should be have this

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Speaker 3: I'm just thinking in terms of we take this guy

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Speaker 6: And I think that's I would wonder if if it's

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Speaker 8: I mean, you know, to ask him like Colorado, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: That's part of the Sanders packages was they can't protect me?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know. I didn't. I Actually the question

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Speaker 3: So we're talking about Sanders because we're hoping that some

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Speaker 3: But at the combine, was there any it does sound

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Speaker 5: Georgia, Georgia on my mind, I have.

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Speaker 6: A guy that I okay, curious about them.

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Speaker 5: But I think I mean, I don't want to speak form,

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Speaker 5: But when I talked about are there gonna be guys

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Speaker 5: by him. I don't know if that's way too much

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Speaker 8: I think you're just putting a lot. I don't think

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Speaker 3: Well it's not just his armlike with Campbell, it's coming

439
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Speaker 3: in at two nineties instead of three twenties.

440
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Speaker 8: Right, I know, yeah, he.

441
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,640
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm sorry that was.

442
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Speaker 5: I mean, that's the same kind of thing. And I

443
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,919
Speaker 5: mean I would just say, like, I still really like

444
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Speaker 5: Will Campbell, like and it's it's too bad with the

445
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,119
Speaker 5: arm link thing because I think he's still kind of

446
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,679
Speaker 5: a generational cross with that the athleticism. So I know

447
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,680
Speaker 5: we had the list of you know, there's only six

448
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,639
Speaker 5: guys that have arms, Well there are people that have

449
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 5: there are six that I know, it's not overwhelming, but

450
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 5: you know, there's still part of me that says, Will

451
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 5: Campbell has the athleticism that you're looking for and He

452
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 5: also has that kind of swagger that I think mirrors

453
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 5: Rabel a little bit reminds me of Taylor Lawana a

454
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,640
Speaker 5: little little bit, you know, has that cockiness, has that confidence.

455
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 5: I loved his answer at the combine when he said,

456
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 5: you know, I like scoring touchdowns. I don't care about

457
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,199
Speaker 5: zone or gap schemes. I want to score touchdowns. I

458
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 5: like his attitude. I really like the kid. It's just

459
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 5: a question of overdrafting the right position. And I think

460
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 5: if you overdraft Membo a little bit as a right tackle, okay,

461
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 5: Like if you know for sure he's a right tackle

462
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 5: and he's going to be there for ten years, great.

463
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 5: I have less confidence if he's going to end up

464
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Speaker 5: a left guard.

465
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Speaker 3: I mean, I know we've heard that Dante Scarneki might

466
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,640
Speaker 3: be doing something. He says no, but I would definitely

467
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Speaker 3: send him out maybe with you know, Morone, and do

468
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 3: a private workout with this guy, just to make sure

469
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Speaker 3: we're not missing something.

470
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Speaker 8: With Will Campbell, yeah, I mean, look that I think

471
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Speaker 8: that people misconstrue the like the arm lane thing with

472
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Speaker 8: the talent, Like there's no question that he's talented. Like

473
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Speaker 8: he's going to be a heck of an offensive lineman,

474
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 8: whether it's inside or outside for a very long time

475
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 8: in the league. But it comes back to positional value

476
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Speaker 8: and are you going to take a guard at for

477
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 8: overall and all that good stuff. I just I had

478
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 8: concerns a little bit about the arm length and how

479
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 8: it showed up on film, and then he came out

480
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 8: with not even just under threshold arms, but we're talking

481
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Speaker 8: about arms wingspan, like he's just not long enough to

482
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Speaker 8: play the position. So the list of six guys, yes,

483
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 8: there are six guys, but none of them are great.

484
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 8: Like there you know, Bernard Raymond with the Colts is

485
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 8: probably the best one out of the group, and he's

486
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 8: like a borderline pro bowler. Like if you're gonna take

487
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Speaker 8: a guy at four overall, then you want that guy

488
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 8: to be Lane Johnson, right, You don't want him to

489
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 8: be He's fine. So I think that's the problem that

490
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 8: I have with Will Campbell is if he plays tackle,

491
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 8: I think his ceiling is significantly lower.

492
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Speaker 3: Let me ask you.

493
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Speaker 5: Can I ask you a question though, because this is

494
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 5: like what I was thinking about, to any of those guys,

495
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Speaker 5: do you think have the level of athleticism that Will

496
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Speaker 5: Campbell has? Like Bernard Raymond I know he was rough

497
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 5: coming out from Germany and stuff. But you know, that's

498
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Speaker 5: the thing I find myself thinking, like, is he is

499
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 5: he more athletic than any of those six guys athletic

500
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 5: enough to overcome the lack of length. I just I

501
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 5: can't totally write him off.

502
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Speaker 6: Just I just would be stunned if he ends up

503
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,239
Speaker 6: being a tackle based on those numbers. I don't know,

504
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 6: Like I've said this a million times. I'm not Dante,

505
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 6: so I can't tell you exactly why those arm lengths

506
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 6: and wingspan don't allow you to play tackle, but the

507
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 6: numbers no.

508
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 3: But I get I get the length. I get, you know,

509
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 3: being able to establish that first hit at a certain

510
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: distance so that you're not you know, getting off balance.

511
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 3: But we're talking about less than half an inch.

512
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 6: That's a lot. And this is the conversation I had

513
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 6: about that's a big difference, like two tenths of a second.

514
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 8: And we're also talking like thirty three is like the

515
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 8: new threshold. But it used to be thirty four. Oh really,

516
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 8: and then they moved and then Rashaan Slater reset it

517
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 8: to thirty three, and so now it's been reset to

518
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 8: thirty three. So now we're talking about like a real

519
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 8: bottom line, like it's got to be in the ballpark

520
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 8: at thirty three. I think with him, you know, with Campbell,

521
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 8: he just he has to be aggressive in his past

522
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 8: sets because he doesn't have the length to sit back

523
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 8: and wait. So he goes out and he jumps out there,

524
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 8: and then guys will just go inside, so they'll spin

525
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,239
Speaker 8: move or they'll counter inside, and he opens up that

526
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 8: inside to the quarterback a lot. And you see that

527
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 8: happen quite a bit for him. So if he sits

528
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 8: back now he's gonna get people are gonna get into

529
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 8: his chest, and he's going to lose the leverage battles, right,

530
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 8: And so he's this powerful, great athlete that if he

531
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 8: played guard, he's probably an all pro guard. But again,

532
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 8: is that work the fourth overall pick? I don't think so.

533
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 6: Maybe it might be, you know, you might be able

534
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 6: to talk yourself. Is membo now like the number one tackle?

535
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 8: It's like the it's like the popular thing to say.

536
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 6: Right now, you know, right because he had similar kind

537
00:24:52,800 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 6: of raw scords, right yeah, yeah, no, both under under five.

538
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 8: He's extremely athletics.

539
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 6: Not that necessarily, I.

540
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 5: Just just the one feed of human strength life speed,

541
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 5: Like it's just impressive.

542
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's only six three six four, So like when

543
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 8: I watched his tape, like he's he pitter patters a

544
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 8: little bit, like he's got short strides and so like

545
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 8: I don't I don't love those types of guys typically

546
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 8: because it takes them five steps to get where it

547
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 8: takes other guys three. That's one thing that Campbell has

548
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 8: working for him is he's you know, six five sixty six,

549
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 8: so he does have that that stride length, but he's

550
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 8: he's really athletic, he's really strong, and yeah, that that's

551
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 8: like becoming the new popular take, you know, the the

552
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 8: trendy take is that he's the best alignment in the draft.

553
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 5: So you don't know about Josh, like what Josh Simmons

554
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 5: would have done if he could have tested him in

555
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 5: part of it, like might he be the one who

556
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 5: shot up the draft boards?

557
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think with Josh Simmons. Uh, I keep saying this,

558
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 8: but he didn't play anybody, and and so we're we're

559
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 8: really looking at five games at the beginning of Ohio

560
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 8: state schedule where he's dominant against not NFL caliber talent

561
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 8: mactim So like when he got to the College Football

562
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 8: Playoff and they were playing you know, all these teams

563
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 8: in you know, Oregon and Texas and whatever, like, you know,

564
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 8: would he have been just as good or would the

565
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 8: warts have started to show up when he went up

566
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 8: against the NFL caliber talent Like, we'll never know. So

567
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 8: you're basically picking him in the first round based off

568
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 8: of five games against like Western Kentucky in Michigan State,

569
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 8: who was like the worst team did Yeah, so he

570
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 8: and he measured with thirty three and charms on the notes.

571
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 5: So he's got all the measurables.

572
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he does.

573
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: All right. Like I said, I, I would want to

574
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 3: get Dante's input on this thing, you know, and if

575
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 3: he comes back and says, you know what, he can

576
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 3: play tackle.

577
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 6: I would only want that if Dante's coaching him. Yeah. Well,

578
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 6: I don't want someone that doesn't fit the prototype of

579
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 6: unless Dante's actually coaching him. I think he could figure

580
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 6: give it out. Yeah, fair enough, Okay, all right.

581
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 5: Which I think feeds into we Dante had a quote

582
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 5: like last month he wouldn't draft an offensive lineman that high,

583
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 5: and I was like, yeah, because you're coaching him, you're going

584
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 5: to be able to develop guys like some of us.

585
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 5: We just need to get talent that can't you know,

586
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 5: has some degree of safety to it.

587
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: Who was the Mike Mamula of this combine? Oh geez,

588
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: you don't know who. Mike guy.

589
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 5: Average guy who blew up the combine with their testing.

590
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 8: Average guy that blew up the combine.

591
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 5: I know the opposite of Mike Mamula was the tes

592
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 5: Tes tes walker. John guy from from Oregon, was going

593
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 5: to run fast five and fifty but it weighs.

594
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 6: About one hundred and twenty pounds and.

595
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 8: He ran four or five one. He redeemed himself. Yeah, yeah,

596
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 8: he ran a fantastic agilities three cone short shuttle. So

597
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 8: he's got he's quick, he's not fast, and he he tested,

598
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 8: you know, just to defend my guy a little bit,

599
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 8: he tested exactly like Tank Dell did, coming out like same,

600
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 8: almost exactly same forty. Tank Dell didn't do agilities at

601
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 8: the combine. But you think you can tell that that

602
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 8: guy's quick. So they're basically the same, the same athlete,

603
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 8: same size, same forty everything. So uh, that's test Johnson.

604
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 8: That's one and fifty's he has about ten pounds on him.

605
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 8: But I think you know, some of that's NFL strength

606
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 8: and conditioning all that good stuff. But yeah, I I

607
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 8: don't know your question.

608
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 5: I mean it might be Membo.

609
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it might be the guy from Bembo

610
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 8: was already like a top ten, top fifteen guy, though.

611
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 8: I think it just just helped him get into this

612
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 8: conversation of possibly being, uh, the fourth overall pick. I

613
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 8: would just say, like every single running back, like the

614
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 8: running back forty was like, I mean, you were, it

615
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 8: was incredible. They did run good for four four four

616
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 8: four four four four, Like everyone was a.

617
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 6: Big guy that ran down. So what I forget his name.

618
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 6: Now they're all blending in who's the guy that the bigger,

619
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 6: like two hundred and twenty five pound guy that.

620
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 8: I don't know. There were so many of them it'll

621
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 8: come to me. Yeah, I mean all those guys were

622
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 8: were impressive. I mean every like, take your pick at

623
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 8: running back, like you could probably get starting caliber running

624
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 8: backsit until the fifth round in this draft.

625
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 5: That was a big point. Evan and I talked yesterday.

626
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 5: The tight end group, the running back group. It's I

627
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 5: don't think that they're gonna I mean, we can't talk

628
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 5: about Tyler Warren is maybe an option to be like,

629
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 5: we got nobody else, let's pick him up top. But

630
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 5: I think both those positions, it's really that second third

631
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 5: round pick, you know, early day three, like in there

632
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 5: this quality running back, quality titles.

633
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 8: The guy was thinking this is like this is like

634
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 8: do saning Malik Nabbers.

635
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 9: He's he's a guy I couldn't remember.

636
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, but like twenty one and he ran like a

637
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 6: four or five.

638
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, him and the guy to run like him, and

639
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 5: the Ohio State guy is probably out of it for

640
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 5: the Patriots, I would guess. But I just what I

641
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 5: said to Evan yesterday, like I'm really trying to look

642
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 5: at those mid round running backs because I mean even

643
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 5: Daniel Jeremiah said it on the broadcast, like their starters

644
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 5: to be had into early day three at the running

645
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 5: back position. So I think it's a spot they got

646
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,239
Speaker 5: to take a take a chance on.

647
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 6: See.

648
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 5: I just I don't know how Stevenson and Antonio Gibson

649
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 5: fit what Rabel wants to do. We don't know what

650
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 5: Rabel and Josh want to do. So I just think

651
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,239
Speaker 5: that's a really appealing position. Grab one of those, you know,

652
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 5: running backs later and maybe prospering.

653
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: No, it's just like there's so many other things that

654
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: I think are.

655
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Speaker 5: Legit, like what is you know, good like? And that's why.

656
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Speaker 8: That's my take on the whole thing is like this

657
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Speaker 8: is a defensive line in running backs class, and so

658
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Speaker 8: what with free agency? Set yourself up to hit those

659
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Speaker 8: positions in the draft, like whatever if you have to

660
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Speaker 8: sign Cam Robinson or trade for a receiver, whatever the

661
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Speaker 8: case may be, Like, don't go into the draft with

662
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Speaker 8: with needing positions that the draft is.

663
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Speaker 6: They have burial holes in free agency that they can't

664
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Speaker 6: fill in the draft, like those two spots wide receiver

665
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Speaker 6: and so.

666
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Speaker 3: So, so let's talk about free agency. What's what's the

667
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Speaker 3: current status? The Bengals announced that they are going to

668
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: franchise T Higgins, So I guess that puts him out

669
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Speaker 3: of play for the Patriots. What are we thinking?

670
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we just we shot a free agency preview that

671
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 5: will air tomorrow talking dive into a lot of this stuff.

672
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Speaker 5: I think it's it's tough. I mean we also talked

673
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Speaker 5: about Ronnie Stanley, who you know, there's some clear bells

674
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 5: of the ball in free agency, but you're kind of

675
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 5: holding your breath this week that those guys like Higgins

676
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Speaker 5: probably going back to the Bengals. I think we all

677
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Speaker 5: assume Stanley's gonna go back. It's there's just not a

678
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Speaker 5: lot of easy answers at some of the biggest positions

679
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Speaker 5: in need. So I agree with what Evan said, plug

680
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Speaker 5: those holes now, but I think they're going to have

681
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 5: to be creative and they're gonna have to hit on

682
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 5: some guys that maybe when they sign him initially, you're

683
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 5: not like, all right, Ronnie Stanley, it's gonna be kind

684
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Speaker 5: of a B level guy maybe, you know.

685
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, the Eagles released Darius yesterday. Do you think other

686
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Speaker 3: guys might come free like that?

687
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Speaker 5: You know, I think so, I mean specifically that, yeah,

688
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 5: but I think specific to the cornerback position has one

689
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Speaker 5: area that that is strong, you know, I would say

690
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 5: in free agency, and I think they're in position to

691
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Speaker 5: maybe change that position, group up a little bit, make

692
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Speaker 5: some additions. And I think the scuttle butt out of

693
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Speaker 5: Indy was there maybe trying to work something out with

694
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Speaker 5: Jonathan Jones, which I'd be fine with. Maybe is a

695
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 5: safety now though, I just I don't know if he

696
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Speaker 5: I think he's been miscast as an outside corner these

697
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Speaker 5: last few years.

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Speaker 6: I kind of agree with him, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, I mean, Jonathan Jones could be that free safety

700
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Speaker 3: that we're looking for, you know, yeah.

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Speaker 8: I mean it's becoming a lot more popular to play

702
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Speaker 8: like a nickel safety, where like he kind of blends

703
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Speaker 8: the positions between free safety and slot corner. And I

704
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Speaker 8: think that maybe that's a way that you could go

705
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Speaker 8: with Jonathan Jones. I do like Travarious Ward in free agency,

706
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Speaker 8: and I think, you know, all the reports coming out

707
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Speaker 8: of the Combiner that Milton Williams is like they're number

708
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Speaker 8: one target. I mean, everybody's saying that other than if

709
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 8: they can land a big fish at wide receiver, that

710
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Speaker 8: Milton Williams is their guy.

711
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Speaker 5: But I thought not to give anything around our free agency,

712
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Speaker 5: but I thought you had a really good take on him,

713
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Speaker 5: and it was, you know, Milton Williams was kind of

714
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Speaker 5: a I mean, he's forty eight percent snap guy. I mean, yes,

715
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Speaker 5: he's young, but with more of a rotational player. I mean,

716
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Speaker 5: he's a rotational player behind arguably two of the best

717
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Speaker 5: you know, defensive front guys in the in the league,

718
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Speaker 5: you know, in Jalen Carter. I don't know. I mean,

719
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Speaker 5: i I'm all for signing that position. I think they

720
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Speaker 5: need to remake that position. But I also think that

721
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Speaker 5: there's a little bit of buyer beware with Milt Williams

722
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Speaker 5: and is he going to be an every down player

723
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Speaker 5: for you? What are you going to pay him?

724
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Speaker 7: Like?

725
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Speaker 5: Is he gonna be able to deliver on that contract

726
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Speaker 5: or is he going to be somewhat redundant to what

727
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Speaker 5: Barmore was before Barmore really emerged two years ago as

728
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Speaker 5: an every down player.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm always wary of the guys that were like

730
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Speaker 8: the guy getting all the single blocks because Jalen Carter's

731
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Speaker 8: got three guys on him and Milton Williams is just

732
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Speaker 8: one on one. It's like, yeah, that always wearies me

733
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Speaker 8: a little bit. And you come off the Super Bowl

734
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Speaker 8: like how motive? You just won a super Bowl? So like,

735
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Speaker 8: you just got won a super Bowl, it's gonna get paid,

736
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Speaker 8: just got paid. And now you're seeing double teams every

737
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Speaker 8: week because Jalen Carter is.

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Speaker 5: Not next to you.

739
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Speaker 8: You know, if barbar is next to you, then that's

740
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Speaker 8: a different story.

741
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Speaker 6: But we just also look at what Philadelphia does, you know,

742
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Speaker 6: who do they retain, who do they allow to go?

743
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Speaker 6: And then I would say what you guys are talking

744
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Speaker 6: about if they're just willing to let all the you know,

745
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 6: so it looks like they're letting the corners go. So

746
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Speaker 6: they drafted a terrific young one and Mitchell right. So

747
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Speaker 6: I think Bradbury was hurt last year. Slay obviously played

748
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Speaker 6: they already they released him once already last year and

749
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Speaker 6: they ended up bringing him back. If they just allow

750
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Speaker 6: Milton Williams to go and they don't really make a

751
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Speaker 6: big effort to resign them. Same with Bond. They're telling

752
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Speaker 6: you what they think. Shift they're part you know, they're

753
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Speaker 6: parts of the machine, but they're not the machine. We're

754
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Speaker 6: going to make sure that we hold on to Davis

755
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Speaker 6: and and uh, you know Cotter in the middle, and

756
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Speaker 6: we're gonna we're gonna go from there. So when we

757
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Speaker 6: did our free agent thing, I compared it to the

758
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 6: old Ravens kind of mentality that yeah, they made sure

759
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Speaker 6: that ray you know that ray Lewis State and you.

760
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Speaker 5: Know Sugs Nada and ray Lewis Suggs State.

761
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Speaker 6: And Plodi Nada State. But you know, if Daleis Thomas

762
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Speaker 6: wanted to go or you know Ladarius Web I think

763
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Speaker 6: is that the old corner that I'm thinking of. So, Ladarius,

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Speaker 6: I don't know why that's what. Yeah, it's it's just

765
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Speaker 6: sticking in my head. Those guys came and went, but

766
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Speaker 6: the cock, the key cogs stayed in place. So I

767
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 6: think you'll learn a lot because Philadelphia knows what they're

768
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Speaker 6: doing from a personnel standpoint.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I think it's a great way to put it, too,

770
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 5: because really it just reduces the question to what key

771
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Speaker 5: cogs can the Patriots get in free agency, and not

772
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 5: just the need they need some not just guys who

773
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 5: profited off of team success, but guys who really were

774
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 5: making you know, the straws during the drink.

775
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Speaker 6: Like you can put you can cast a wide net

776
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Speaker 6: with you know, five six guys modest short term, you know,

777
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 6: modest contien right, But if you're gonna the big fish

778
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 6: is that you try to land, you have to make

779
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 6: sure that big fish is worthy of being that you

780
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 6: can't miss on Milton Williams or on Zurich. You know,

781
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 6: you have to make sure that if you're going to

782
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Speaker 6: invest in a guy that you hit it's just as

783
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 6: important last year they didn't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why dre Green laws appealing to me. I

785
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 5: just I feel like he's a guy reduced value a

786
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Speaker 5: little bit. And I mean, I know there's some speculation

787
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Speaker 5: maybe he would do a one year kind of prove

788
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Speaker 5: it deal, but why wait, you know, just sign that

789
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Speaker 5: guy up, pay him. I think I don't think you

790
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 5: would regret it with that kind of player.

791
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Speaker 8: I'm in this in that boat with Javon Holland. Like,

792
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 8: I just think Javon Holland makes a lot of sense,

793
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 8: Like he's probably going to be, if not the best

794
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 8: overall player in free agency, you know, in the top

795
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Speaker 8: two or three. And I just I still come back

796
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Speaker 8: to I just don't I never really loved Kyle Duggar

797
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 8: and Jabriel Peppers together. Like I thought that those were

798
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 8: two guys kind of both played the same position and

799
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 8: they were trying to make it work with them being

800
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 8: back there together. And if you get a guy like

801
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 8: Javon Holland, now you have that true free safety that

802
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 8: can play over the top.

803
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Speaker 6: And you were talking about Jonathan Jones and Scuttle But

804
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 6: one of the other things that I saw, everybody that

805
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 6: said that they want to bring him back also said

806
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 6: he knows he'd have to He's going to have to

807
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 6: take less. So That sort of tells me that if

808
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 6: they are interested, they've been talking to him already about safety,

809
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 6: because safeties don't make as much as corner. Yeah, so

810
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 6: if he's ready to make a transition, that would to

811
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 6: me make sense based on the reporting that came out

812
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Speaker 6: of a combine. Yeah.

813
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Speaker 5: One other thing Evan and I talked about at the combine,

814
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 5: just random off the cuffs, was just Isaiah Bolden. We

815
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 5: talked about trying to get bigger in the slot. Isaiah

816
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 5: Bolden was in the slot a lot, say, hard to

817
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 5: project him into a sizeable role, But if they did

818
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 5: want to move to a guy with size and speed

819
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 5: and a little bit different flair than playing Marcus Jones

820
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 5: or Jonathan Own in the slot, you know, maybe he's

821
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Speaker 5: an in house option to consider with competition.

822
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Speaker 6: He's a guy I want to watch a lot in

823
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 6: the spring to see if he can do that. Yeah,

824
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 6: because I mean that he definitely can run. I mean

825
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 6: he's got speeds unknown quantity. I don't know if he's

826
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 6: quick enough to play inside. We'll see. I haven't seen

827
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Speaker 6: enough of him.

828
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Speaker 2: Nope.

829
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Speaker 3: All right, let's get to some emails and calls podcasts

830
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: at Patriots dot com. Is the email address eight five

831
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Speaker 3: to five Pats five hundred is the Patriots unfiltered hotline.

832
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: After March first, Andrew is in Middleton, New Jersey, and

833
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: he quotes a Mike Giardi tweet says, over the last decade,

834
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighteen offensive linemen were drafted in rounds

835
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Speaker 3: one and two. Twenty one of those one hundred and

836
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Speaker 3: eighteen had an arm length of thirty three inches or

837
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: shorter and a sub eighty inch wing span. Ten became guards,

838
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Speaker 3: ten centers one and only one is a tackle, Luke Goodeki.

839
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Speaker 8: So yeah, I was like what I was saying before.

840
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Speaker 8: He's on that list of six guys that I tweeted out,

841
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 8: and he's a fine players. He's not the fourth overall

842
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 8: pick in a draft, you know, like he's a NFL starter,

843
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 8: But it ends there. And that's not to pick on

844
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 8: good Decky. It's just if that's what you get out

845
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 8: of the fourth overall pick, we're all going to be disappointed.

846
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: Floyd and Redford, Michigan, He says, mister Floyd, please someone

847
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: defend Mason Graham. There was a Mason Graham tweet that

848
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: indicated he played at three hundred and fifteen pounds but

849
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 3: he trimmed down to test at the Combine. He apparently

850
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 3: bruised his heel, which is why he didn't work out.

851
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Speaker 8: Okay, so he lost twenty pounds since the season. Yeah,

852
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 8: I mean it's possible. I guess it.

853
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Speaker 6: Does they do?

854
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Speaker 10: You know that?

855
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 6: But who happens that time?

856
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: If someone told him to do that, that's bad because

857
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: you want to see him work out at his playing weight.

858
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 6: So I don't know. You guys can fill me in

859
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 6: because they're playing like Milton Williams. Let's get back to

860
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 6: Milton Williams. What do you think he weighs eight? He's

861
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 6: a smaller penetrating interior defensive lineman. So I'm not out

862
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 6: on Mason Graham because he weighed two ninety six or

863
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 6: whatever he did at the Combine, But is he that

864
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 6: kind of a player?

865
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Speaker 3: Right?

866
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Speaker 8: You know?

867
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Speaker 6: And I'm not saying Aaron Donald, but everybody understands what

868
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 6: we're talking about when you use the word Aaron and Donald.

869
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 6: He's an undersized freak of an athlete who plays on

870
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Speaker 6: the inside and dominates. Not suggesting that someone coming out

871
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 6: of the draft is going to do that. Special player,

872
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 6: But you don't have to be three twenty to play

873
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 6: defensive line in the NFL. There are a lot of examples,

874
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 6: but you need to be that kind of an athlete.

875
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 6: Is Mason Grant that kind But.

876
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: They were saying that's what made him special to me

877
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: is that he showed that kind of athleticism at three

878
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty pounds, Mason Grant.

879
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 6: I don't see him being that big.

880
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

881
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 6: I mean maybe I'm just sort of catching up and

882
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 6: you guys have been on this, you know, because you

883
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 6: guys do a lot more research on it than I do.

884
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 6: He doesn't. But he doesn't look that big. He didn't

885
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 6: look that big on tape. When I watch, he's one

886
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 6: of the guys that have already watched a little bit.

887
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 6: He's got to, you know, all the cliches. He's kind

888
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 6: of really high motor. He's very disruptive. He pushes the pocket.

889
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 6: But I don't see like this elite athleticism. Is that

890
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 6: what he is.

891
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 8: No, I think he's an elite technician. I think he

892
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 8: plays with great leverage, great hand technique. You know, I

893
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 8: think Dame Bruger called him a leverage king, Like he's

894
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 8: just he gets underneath you. He uses his low center

895
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 8: of gravity. He's really strong in his lower body, and

896
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 8: so you can just kind of get underneath guys and

897
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 8: just hold you know, win the pad level. You know,

898
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 8: just win be the lower man all the time. But

899
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 8: I don't see him as a stellar athlete, and like

900
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 8: maybe he did have an injury. If I was advising

901
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 8: Mason Graham, I would have told him to sit out

902
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 8: the combine because I don't think the combine is for

903
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 8: Mason Graham, Like don't. I don't think he was going

904
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 8: to put on a show at the combine, and I

905
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 8: think that only could have hurt his stock because he's

906
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 8: already tosting.

907
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 6: If Floyd, you know, Floyd has some inside knowledge there

908
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 6: being from Michigan, you know, if that's what his plan was,

909
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 6: was to go and really test well with the combine

910
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 6: and then he ultimately couldn't do it. And maybe he

911
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 6: is more of a three twenty kind of guy, but

912
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 6: I would wonder can he play every down at the size.

913
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 5: And that's I mean, at least with Milton Williams, you've

914
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 5: got tape on him, and you said the NFL two guys,

915
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 5: he's not an Everlay.

916
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 8: Had eight guys that they could rotate.

917
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 5: But I mean, I think with both. You're talking about

918
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 5: a little bit of a projection either way, you know.

919
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: Patrick and Otawa says, the way you're talking, you make

920
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 3: Schaudors Sanders sound like Tim Tebow.

921
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 6: No no, no, no, no, no. He's a good but Shedea,

922
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 6: Sanders is a good player. I'm just not sure he's

923
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 6: a great player. I'm not sure he has the chance

924
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 6: to be great. Yeah, but he's a good player. He

925
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 6: had success at Colorado. I don't he's a good player.

926
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 5: I just I draw a little bit of contrast to

927
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 5: I was impressed by Travis Hunter. I thought he handled

928
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 5: all of that pretty well in terms of the circus

929
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 5: around him of what position do you want to play?

930
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 5: You know, I just liked his attitude going into that

931
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 5: was what does the team want? And he seemed open

932
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 5: to that. I think a more sugar type approach would

933
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 5: have been, I'm playing both ways, don't drappy if you

934
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 5: don't want me to play both ways. But I think

935
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 5: he was open and no reserve quiet. He's another guy

936
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 5: at the combine, like the all podium team. I think

937
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 5: where I mean for good reason. I mean, obviously the

938
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 5: guy is insanely talented, but just had that confidence and

939
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 5: I think anytime a player wears like big glasses, you

940
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 5: know they're that They're like, all right, this guy he

941
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 5: knows he can play. He didn't even care. He's going

942
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 5: up there in coke Pola glasses like he gets fixated. No,

943
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 5: what's blanket on the Georgiica. From that went to Philly,

944
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 5: the Edge guy undersized Edge Smith, Nolan Smith, same thing,

945
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 5: like walks up there with these big glasses on and like,

946
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 5: oh dude, this guy knows, he complained.

947
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was shocked by how many people have Travis

948
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 8: Hunter as a wide receiver. Like I thought I was

949
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 8: kind of on an island.

950
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 6: With that, but I seems to think.

951
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 8: I would say it's like at worse fifty to fifty

952
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 8: and might even be more tilting towards wide receiver. I

953
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 8: just think that it's just a more valuable position to teams,

954
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 8: and if he can be a number one wide receiver,

955
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 8: it's more valuable to us in him being a number

956
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 8: one corner.

957
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bill and Vista, California. Any thoughts on the reported

958
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 3: rumors about the Patriots possibly training for Ayuk. There were

959
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: a fan X report in addition to Jordan Schultz saying

960
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: the Patriots were planning on being aggressive at attaining a

961
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 3: wide receiver. That and the forty nine ers are open

962
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: to training him where they're Where there is smoke, there

963
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 3: is usually fire. What would you say most would Yeah,

964
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

965
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 5: I just see someone who explain to me why, Like,

966
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 5: I mean, they just resigned Bran. I don't realize willing

967
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 5: to get rid of it.

968
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 6: I don't really understand the whole premise. But I have

969
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 6: seen the report that San Francisco is interested in trading,

970
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 6: are you? I have seen?

971
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 5: I mean that's what I mean, Like.

972
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 6: Like Deebo became a pain for them, Like I don't

973
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 6: think I maybe they they view Ayuk the same way.

974
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 6: But the other guy who sort of filled in early

975
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 6: in the year is a Jennings.

976
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 8: Yep, he's really good.

977
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 6: He's a free agent, right.

978
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 8: No, they signed him to a contract.

979
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 6: They did sign him, Okay, Otherwise.

980
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 8: If he was a free agent, I'd be like, I'm.

981
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 6: Wondering, like, who's going to be there receiving and it's

982
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 6: just it's it's just the one guy. Now, Yeah, I

983
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 6: would be surprised unless someone really knocks them over.

984
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 5: Like what went wrong though I haven't just haven't seen

985
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 5: it get hurt. And experience, but like, yeah, yeah, but

986
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,479
Speaker 5: just signed steel right.

987
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, he tours ACL in October. You know, Kendrick Bourne,

988
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 8: that's it.

989
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 3: We're out for it.

990
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 8: It's obviously different people healed differently, But Kendrick Bourne tours

991
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 8: ACL in October two years ago and missed a lot

992
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 8: of the season last year. Yeah, it really wasn't the

993
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 8: same guy for all of last year. So you're really

994
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 8: if you're trading for AUK, you're trading for twenty twenty six.

995
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 8: I would think, like thinking that he's going to get

996
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 8: it all the way back the year removed from the

997
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 8: A C L at most, like you're giving him one

998
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 8: of your third round picks, if you know, Like, why

999
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 8: would you do any more than that?

1000
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 6: I don't be interested. I'd be interested in the move.

1001
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 6: I'm not sure I understand why San Francisco wants to

1002
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 6: trade them.

1003
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 3: That's my question, that's all.

1004
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 6: But I would be interested in trading.

1005
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 10: For you, just like I was.

1006
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I would.

1007
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 5: I mean, they have to find something creative. I mean,

1008
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 5: I'd love to see something like this, a move out

1009
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 5: of nowhere that you aren't expecting. Because we've talked about

1010
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 5: the wide receiver class. It was so much focus on

1011
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 5: T Higgins and I think we can all talk ourselves

1012
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 5: into Godwin. But that's a little bit of a risk too.

1013
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 10: You know.

1014
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 5: It's just there's no easy answer at wide receiver and

1015
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 5: just oh, we can remake the position and sign this

1016
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 5: guy and it's going to change everything.

1017
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 6: Is the reason those guys, you know, if they ultimately

1018
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 6: are available, that's why.

1019
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I would say it one more than two

1020
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 5: on the draft. Like as bad as the wide receiver classes,

1021
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 5: I'm intrigued by a lot of the mid round wide receivers.

1022
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 5: I think that there's some traits, some fun stuff to

1023
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 5: play with, you know, when we get into the second

1024
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 5: and third rounds, I don't know if it'll make sense

1025
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 5: for the Patriots. But as much as we talk about

1026
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 5: Tech McMillan and you know, this class in general not

1027
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 5: being outstanding what it's been in years past, I think

1028
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 5: that there are some guys out there that that intrigue me.

1029
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 5: And I'm saying it all off season and into now

1030
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 5: is speed. You know, I want speed. Get some young

1031
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 5: guys with some speed, have some questions.

1032
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 6: That's what I wanted to do.

1033
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 8: I think that some of those Day two wide receivers

1034
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 8: tested too well, which I was kind of a bummer

1035
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 8: for me. Especially the Iowa State guys like Higgins and

1036
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 8: Noel can both play football.

1037
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 6: Which one's mine?

1038
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 5: Uh?

1039
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 8: Higgins Higgins Higgins Higgins is you could use T Higgins

1040
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 8: as a confer Jaden Higgins from Iowa State.

1041
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 11: Uh.

1042
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 8: And he he had a great day at the combine,

1043
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 8: like tested way better than I expected, ran in the

1044
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 8: four fours at like six pounds, like he did really well.

1045
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 8: And now you're him and Jalen Nowell, who's the guy

1046
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 8: I like?

1047
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 12: Is?

1048
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 8: Now both those guys are going to be like top

1049
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 8: fifty picks. So it's like, if you don't take one

1050
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 8: of those guys at thirty eight, you're probably not getting

1051
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 8: that guy.

1052
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 5: Isaiah another one we both like and has some crazy speed.

1053
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 5: I mean he said he might break the record and

1054
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,479
Speaker 5: he ran like a four to four, which is great,

1055
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 5: but still.

1056
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 6: It's now my other guy Golden he first round.

1057
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, so he ran a four two nine, so

1058
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 8: he he uh yeah, he can move. I don't know

1059
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 8: if he plays to four to nine like that might

1060
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 8: be some tracks.

1061
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 6: He's a good he's a good player though, very I

1062
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 6: like him.

1063
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 8: Very good route runner, very good hands. He's a great player.

1064
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 8: He'll he'll be a top twenty five pick.

1065
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 5: My thing with him and I said, it's having at

1066
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 5: the combine is like I don't know how sharp he is.

1067
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 5: I question how sharp he is seems a little bit.

1068
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 6: The Texas offense with and without him was night and day.

1069
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 6: Like there was I want to say, the Stataboo game

1070
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 6: he left the game the Arizona State one. Yeah, he

1071
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 6: got and that's when Texas. Texas was doing whatever it

1072
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 6: wanted for most of that game and he got hurt

1073
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 6: and they couldn't move. Now, sometimes that happens when when

1074
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 6: you're not when you're not planning on being without a guy,

1075
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 6: it has a bigger impact on a on an offensive coordinator.

1076
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: Yep, you know.

1077
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 6: So sometimes that's but he's he's an impact player.

1078
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 5: We had actually cooked real quick. We had a funny

1079
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 5: Skataboo moment. We were sitting in one of the tables.

1080
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 5: I think it was the last day we were both

1081
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 5: writing and uh, and there's like a curtain right here,

1082
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 5: you know, it separates the two sides, and it was

1083
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 5: just all of a sudden, like the curtain parted and

1084
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 5: Scataboo just like walks in and like looks right out here.

1085
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 6: Thriller was here.

1086
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 3: He likes he tests.

1087
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 8: He only jumped and jumped well though.

1088
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Speaker 6: He had a jump that made the rounds jump forty

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Speaker 6: two or I think.

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Speaker 8: It was in the high thirties, which is really good

1091
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 8: for running back. And he, uh, you can see it.

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00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 8: I mean he walked by us and his thighs are

1093
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 8: you know running back thighs. You know those are those

1094
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 8: are what you're looking for.

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00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 5: It wasn't even me, because I definitely gave him like,

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00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 5: let's see what his lower half looks like.

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Speaker 3: I like him.

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Speaker 8: Fifth round, yeah, fourth, fifth round, Yeah, sounds about right.

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Speaker 6: Day three guy football really all right, good football play.

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00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: Love to have him on it.

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00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 6: He's a good football.

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Speaker 3: He'd be welcome on my team.

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Speaker 8: But sure enough, you.

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Speaker 6: Rolled your eyes at the thought of taking a Day

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00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 6: three running back when Mike brought it up earlier.

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Speaker 3: Day three, No, I guess that's what Mike.

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Speaker 6: Was saying, like, not not investing a second round pick.

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Speaker 6: You're talking about later.

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00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, late, it's fine.

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Speaker 8: Day three started at their fourth round pick. Is when

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Speaker 8: you start talking about running backs.

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Speaker 14: Time now for another episode of Pats from the Past podcast.

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00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 14: Matt Smith alongside with Paul Parrillo, and we were pleased

1136
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 14: to be joined by number ninety three on your scoreboard,

1137
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 14: but number one in our hearts the great Patriot and

1138
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 14: Pro Football Hall of Famer Richard Seymour.

1139
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 6: Richard, good to see you kid.

1140
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 2: Good to be seeing, Good to be seeing. Last time

1141
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: I was here, I got a red jacket, and now

1142
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: come from Canton and I got the gold jacket on.

1143
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 6: Now, no disrespect.

1144
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: You look good at red.

1145
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 6: That looks really really cool, Richard.

1146
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 14: I wonder how many people said this, because this is

1147
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 14: what I what.

1148
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 6: Really struck me. Your speech was terrific.

1149
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 14: You could tell you spent some time writing it, rehearsing it,

1150
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 14: and it came from the heart, like a lot of

1151
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 14: people like is vermeials going, And I don't mean no

1152
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 14: disrespect because he's a very passionate guy and you sort

1153
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 14: of expect that out of him, you know. But I

1154
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 14: was just I was really struck in the moment that day.

1155
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 14: It was hot as blazers and everything like that, and

1156
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 14: I'm going, Wow, I didn't like, didn't she hit it

1157
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 14: out of the park?

1158
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: No, thank you so much. I got a lot of

1159
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: reserved Yeah, no, thank you so much. It meant a lot.

1160
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 3: You know.

1161
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: I think I was there because I wanted to deliver

1162
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 2: because it's such a huge moment and you want to

1163
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 2: thank so many and you got six minutes to deliver

1164
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: you know, a lifetime of journeys and people that meant

1165
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: so much to you. So but then also you want

1166
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: to do it in a way where it's not dry

1167
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 2: and boring. So I had to It took some time

1168
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 2: to really pull it, pull it all together in terms

1169
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: of how I wanted to get it done. But you know,

1170
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: my wife and is listened to me enough and I

1171
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: gotta know, no, that's not it until I, you know,

1172
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: finally got it together and I knew I was heading

1173
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: down the right path. And you know, I'm just glad

1174
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: that you know, it came across the right way on

1175
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 2: that Saturday and can.

1176
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 6: So what's different for you now, like you know after

1177
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 6: being in because there was a couple of years you

1178
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 6: were right on the edge and then you know, you

1179
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 6: get you go through the door. Is life to any different?

1180
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 2: Well, I just think now for me, you know, it's

1181
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: an honor where like when they say football heaven, like

1182
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 2: it's a it's a place where you my grandkids can

1183
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 2: always go and look at what I've done in the

1184
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 2: National Football League, and you know, it's just a place

1185
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: of so much history and respect. And that's I think

1186
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: for me, that's what I respect the most. It's a

1187
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: it's a it's what's the right word, Like it's you know,

1188
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: the prestigious historic, you know, And I'm always I always

1189
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 2: like to pay respect to the people that came before me.

1190
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: So now you know, to stand alongside a lot of

1191
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: the greats, like, it's just a tremendous honor.

1192
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 14: You know, they in my opinion, my words, not yours,

1193
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 14: they do run your ragged that induction weekend. They run

1194
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 14: you ragged. But do you think without having the pressure

1195
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 14: on you, because I do think there's a lot of

1196
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 14: pressure on it.

1197
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 3: You talked about it. You wanted to do a nice job.

1198
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 3: You know that meant something.

1199
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Speaker 14: That's your legacy right right when they invite you next

1200
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 14: year or the do you want to go and like

1201
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 14: experience what it's like to just sort of, Oh, Tip,

1202
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 14: you want to play golf?

1203
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 3: Oh Tip, you want to play you know thirty six today?

1204
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 5: You know, like Tip's there, he's America's guest.

1205
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 3: He's there every single year.

1206
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 12: You know.

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00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: Well it's funny. So we were at some lunch and

1208
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: and I hadn't gave him my speech yet. But but

1209
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 2: tip is in and he's just talking to me relaxed

1210
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: because he don't have, you know, the pressures of you know,

1211
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 2: that Saturday coming, and I'm just kind of I'm talking

1212
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: to him, but I'm kind of thinking about, well, no,

1213
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: I should say this versus Dad. So like I could

1214
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: just tell all the pressure was off of him and

1215
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: for me, you know, he's just got a lot, a

1216
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: lot of moving parts and a lot going on. But

1217
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 2: like I said, I look forward to going and enjoying

1218
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: everyone else's party on that Saturday and what you know.

1219
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 2: So I just think, you know, personally, you know, it's

1220
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 2: a tremendous honor, and you know, I'm glad to be

1221
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: have this a red and a gold jacket.

1222
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 14: The one thing that Tippet said, Sorry, Paul, just one thing.

1223
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 14: The one thing that Tippet said. And I think this

1224
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 14: seems like it's new, and I thought that this was cool.

1225
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,479
Speaker 14: Is that somehow, some way that there's some unwritten rule

1226
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 14: that the guys who weren't inducted but are there, they

1227
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 14: make it a point to go to everybody's party, whether

1228
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 14: they're there for five minutes or an hour. But like

1229
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 14: I saw Terrell Davis there, you know, I saw I

1230
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 14: saw a bunch of guys that I'd say, well, I'm

1231
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 14: surprised that they were. I mean, he's a Georgia guy,

1232
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 14: so maybe a bad example, but that there were guys.

1233
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: He came to the party.

1234
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 14: An't know, but somebody said, no, that's their responsibility. It's

1235
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 14: their responsibility to go and welcome these guys, like you

1236
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 14: know what you are in the fraternity right and welcome

1237
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 14: and it's a way of that sort of unique groups.

1238
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 5: And I thought that was really cool.

1239
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 6: Richard.

1240
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is, well, and it's not only cool

1241
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 2: for us, but even also think about your family when

1242
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 2: because EMMITTT Smith came to our party on Friday night,

1243
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 2: Like a lot of my family grew up watching Emmitt

1244
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 2: and for him to come in he had his goal

1245
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 2: jacket on, you know, Warren Sapp, you know, Charles Woodson,

1246
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: like all of these guys coming in. For your family

1247
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: to see these guys and your granddad and or you

1248
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 2: know whoever is there to also experience what that's like

1249
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: and getting autographed and taking pictures, you know, it's just

1250
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 2: a really special weekend. And what I will say is

1251
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 2: all of the guys that are there the other Hall

1252
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: of Famers, They do a really good job of welcoming

1253
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: in the new class and making you feel like you

1254
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: belong with them. And I think that's really the special

1255
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: cool part. And they're asking you your opinions on you know,

1256
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: what's next, and you haven't Mike, Mike Singletary talk to

1257
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: you about YadA YadA, you know. So it's just a

1258
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: really special, cool, unique moment, and you know, I'm excited

1259
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: to get the ring here tonight.

1260
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 6: Is there is there a players you know, you just

1261
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 6: ran off a whole bunch of names and you said,

1262
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 6: how you really, you know, you respected those that came

1263
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 6: before you. Was there a guy or some players that

1264
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 6: made you sort of step back and say, that's Mike Singletary. Yeah,

1265
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 6: well I got it, kind of like stops in your tracks,

1266
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 6: the way Matt and I would be just you know,

1267
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 6: with all of you guys.

1268
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, Well, we were sitting in like they do

1269
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: a luncheon where it's no media, it's no no one's

1270
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 2: in there, it's just the Hall of Famers. I think

1271
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: it's the Raydnichki luncheon. And we're sitting there and he's

1272
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: a little older now, but Jim Brown came in. You know,

1273
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 2: he was in a wheelchair, but he sat at the

1274
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: table and even the respect that he garnered from the

1275
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: other Hall of famers that were there, and for me

1276
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: also personally, you know, being a defensive lineman when you're

1277
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: there with obviously Tip, you're there with Lawrence Taylor. You know,

1278
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 2: obviously he's passing going. But you know, you think about

1279
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 2: Reggie White, what he meant, like all of these guys

1280
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: are just, you know, phenomenal, world class players and you know,

1281
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: just to sit and you know, share stories, you know

1282
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: with a lot of those guys. I mean, it's just,

1283
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: you know, it's a lifetime achievement award.

1284
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 14: Honestly, we're sitting you're talking with Richard Seymour and our

1285
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 14: Pats from the Past podcast.

1286
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 7: And.

1287
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 5: It seems like maybe that.

1288
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 14: That aura or that euphoria, and it certainly helps by

1289
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 14: the fact that you're being honored. You know, as you're

1290
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 14: taping this tonight at halftime of the Bears game, it's

1291
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 14: still sort of fresh. Is that fair to say that

1292
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 14: feeling it?

1293
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1294
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 2: Well, here's the other part, Like, I mean, we all

1295
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: know how hard it is to get into the Pro

1296
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: Football Hall of fame. But then when you think about it,

1297
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 2: you know a lot of guys get in they're sixty, seventy,

1298
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: you know, some eighty year old you know, and plus.

1299
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: But you know, the blessing in it for me is

1300
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 2: I get to have this gold jacket and you know,

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00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: absolutely forty two years old, and still you know, my

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00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 2: kids they understand what it means, and you know, so

1303
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,439
Speaker 2: I just think that's the that's the special part about

1304
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: it is I get to experience and live with it.

1305
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: And you know, it's no different than like when I

1306
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: was younger. You know, I had a wife and kids,

1307
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,919
Speaker 2: but they were also able to experience my playing days.

1308
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 2: So even now that they're older, like they've seen it.

1309
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 2: They've been there. They were on the field pre game

1310
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: or halftime or you know, whenever. So it's not like

1311
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 2: I have to tell them about what their dad used

1312
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 2: to do or what ever. You know that that you

1313
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 2: it's a big part of who you are now. But

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01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 2: you know, for them to experience it themselves, I think,

1315
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Speaker 2: you know, it's an everlasting memory to.

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Speaker 6: Talk about some of those.

1317
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 8: And now great moments in.

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Speaker 3: History. That's good nachos. The steak, though at ordering one

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01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 3: pound hamburgers, and I.

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Speaker 10: Don't do that.

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Speaker 12: Fat, What are you doing?

1322
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 6: It's not like here's what you don't even that.

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Speaker 3: It's not like I asked them to make me a

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01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 3: one pound burger. It's on the menu.

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01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 10: Yeah, you don't have to order it.

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Speaker 3: But the funny mean other people order or they wouldn't

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Speaker 3: have the menu.

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Speaker 10: The funny thing is, though this was the last day.

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Speaker 3: One pound chicken, one pound hamburger, or a whole chicken, right.

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Speaker 10: The funny thing is this was the last day. So

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01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 10: we were starting to feel fat. So we had gone

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Speaker 10: to the gym.

1333
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Speaker 3: So when I could see YouTube ladies walking around in so.

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01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 10: It does my butt look bigger than you know when

1335
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 10: you go out to eat and you stuffed yourself for

1336
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Speaker 10: four days straight. So we started to go into the

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Speaker 10: So it was the last night and he's we're walking

1338
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 10: and he's like, take it easy tonight, you.

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Speaker 3: Go because we had a seven o'clock flight and I'm like,

1340
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 3: you know, I don't.

1341
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: Want to have any explosions on a little airplane.

1342
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: And I had That's another great moment from.

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01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: Yes the great Andy Hart one pound burger.

1344
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Speaker 6: Holy there, I just love like, all of a sudden,

1345
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 6: it's read and I just one of the rare times

1346
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 6: that I just sat it out let them go.

1347
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 5: Were you with that combine?

1348
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 6: I wasn't at that combine. Evidently there was a time

1349
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 6: too that we sort of split it up, like one

1350
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 6: group will go earlier in the week and we would

1351
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Speaker 6: go later in the week. But sounds like I wasn't

1352
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Speaker 6: that that.

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Speaker 3: One that was two thousand and six.

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01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're all blind together.

1355
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, Lawrence Maroney and Chad Jackson draft.

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Speaker 3: All right, eight five five pasts five hundred. Is the

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01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 3: Patriots Unfiltered Hotline podcast at patriots dot com. Is the

1358
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 3: email address. By the way, if you want to sign

1359
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 3: up for the Patriots Unfiltered newsletter, you can do so

1360
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 3: by going to Patriots dot com slash pu newsletter and

1361
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 3: you can get the great newsletter that Alex Francisco edits

1362
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 3: and we all contribute to.

1363
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 6: Fred. I want to tell you that one of our

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01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 6: topics that made it into the newsletter last last week,

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Speaker 6: you know, our how'd you put it over the top

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01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 6: rope or through the gate through the front door.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 6: That was Thursday show. Thursday night. I had the opportunity

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Speaker 6: again to extend my library tour. Yeah, I spoke at

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Speaker 6: the North Reading Library.

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Speaker 5: It was great. Where he's going.

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Speaker 3: So they don't pay him, they don't pay him for

1373
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 3: these things, but they give him a library card for life.

1374
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,919
Speaker 3: So just if you can go to any library take

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01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 3: out a book. I was paid, You were paid paid,

1376
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 3: So you're taking money from correct.

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Speaker 8: Correct.

1378
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 6: So I had a gentleman come up to me after

1379
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 6: the show and just said, hey, listen, I just wanted

1380
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 6: to let you know Fred is not alone. I'm gonna

1381
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 6: through the gate guy too.

1382
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, we've had a lot of emails. I didn't

1383
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 3: want to get to it, you know, because we've got

1384
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 3: the combine. If I start the show off talking about

1385
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 3: how we go to the bathroom, I think some people

1386
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 3: might object.

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01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 6: But but but he said, that's exactly when he goes

1388
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 6: Fred's not alone. I'm gonna through the gate guy too.

1389
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 6: And I just looked at it. I said, what are

1390
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 6: you talking? And he goes from the show today, and

1391
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 6: I was like, oh my god, Like I had no

1392
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 6: idea what he was talking about.

1393
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 3: We get a lot of opinions on both sides of

1394
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 3: the Ledger coming in on that. Maybe we'll get to

1395
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 3: that Thursday.

1396
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Speaker 5: All right, we'll save my take for Thursday.

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, I mean being someone that wasn't on the show,

1398
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 8: and then reading that in the newsletter, I was like,

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Speaker 8: what were they talking about when we weren't there?

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Speaker 6: You know, everyone's like, I don't know. Today realized that

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01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 6: this mumble guy just ran like a like the combine.

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Speaker 3: What are they doing? I'm trying to process these guys

1403
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 3: and they're going to the bathroom.

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01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 6: The other revelation I had Freddie was Sunday night, you know,

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01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 6: sitting around watching some college basketball games, and I'm scrolling

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Speaker 6: through my phone and this is in the aftermath of

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Speaker 6: the The Unfortunate thirty two and five eighths arm leanth

1408
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 6: and you know, my slack notifications come in and as

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01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 6: Evan Lazare take on Will Campbell and what it means

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01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 6: and let me read that. And I started reading it.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, oh my god, poor Evan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like I had like.

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Speaker 6: Visions of him just in a dark room by himself. Yes,

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Speaker 6: I can't, I can't talk now, I can't. I'm not ready.

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Speaker 6: I can't do this. I can't do this now. I'm

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Speaker 6: not ready.

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Speaker 3: We had two thousand and seven Super Bowl. He's got

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Speaker 3: the Will Ramble army.

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Speaker 6: I was worried about Evan. I'm worried about I read

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Speaker 6: his recap of that and I didn't you know what,

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Speaker 6: I got like into it and I was like, I

1422
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 6: can't even read this anymore. It's making me depressed. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I had to stop.

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Speaker 3: He said he might skip the first round. He might

1425
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Speaker 3: not come in.

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Speaker 6: That's unprecedented. Even Eric never skipped the entirety of the

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Speaker 6: first round.

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Speaker 8: I might I suggest the clock right now, like, I mean,

1429
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Speaker 8: we can default it next year.

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Speaker 6: That he's a picking and stick it guy. He's looking

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01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 6: to move down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, eight five to five past five hundred

1433
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 3: is the hotline. Let's go to Patty, who's been holding

1434
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Speaker 3: on for quite a long time. What's up, Patty?

1435
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Speaker 11: What's up, gentlemen? How you doing this afternoon?

1436
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Speaker 3: Good?

1437
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 11: So I got a big one. It's scenario for you guys,

1438
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 11: and it's regarding the draft. So let's just say that

1439
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 11: have duel. Carter and Travis Hunter are number one and two,

1440
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 11: throwman whatever order you want on the Patriots board, and

1441
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 11: one of them comes off the board first. With Tennessee

1442
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 11: the giant they signed Donald, They signed like a Heinekey

1443
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 11: or Jacoby Versett to back them up.

1444
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 3: Right.

1445
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 11: They signed Donald with the attention of him starting. Now

1446
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 11: we know Rabel spent last year in Cleveland, so we

1447
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 11: know he's made some pretty good connections there, networks there.

1448
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 11: Would it be crazy to think that we could package

1449
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 11: maybe like our first third round pick, maybe a future asset,

1450
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 11: move up to number two to get one of those guys.

1451
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 11: And the last thing I'll say is, PAULI, I know

1452
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 11: you like Dayden Higgins. I'm a nole guy, but if

1453
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 11: we go wide receiver with the second pick, I'd be

1454
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 11: happy with either one of those guys.

1455
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Speaker 3: Talk to you later, Okay, thanks. What do you think

1456
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Speaker 3: about that moving up?

1457
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Speaker 5: I mean, probably not gonna happen. I just I don't

1458
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 5: think it's as crazy though. I mean, there's like just

1459
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 5: a little part of me that's willing to entertain that

1460
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 5: because I do think those two guys are so uniquely

1461
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 5: talented and are so different after they're After they're gone,

1462
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 5: the draft is going to kind of change.

1463
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 6: And can you move from four to two for a

1464
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 6: third round pick?

1465
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Speaker 8: That's what you're buying.

1466
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 6: No thanks for sale. Now, I will say, the way

1467
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,439
Speaker 6: this draft is being talked about, there are two guys,

1468
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 6: so you might be able to make an argument that

1469
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Speaker 6: you could get it for less because the draft is weak.

1470
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Speaker 6: But if it's really only those two guys, right, why

1471
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Speaker 6: am I maybe that drives the price out.

1472
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm always wearing trading up for a non quarterback,

1473
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 8: Like I don't. I don't really think that that players

1474
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 8: tends to be worth all that. But I mean the

1475
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Speaker 8: Texans did it a couple of years ago for for

1476
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Speaker 8: the past Rusher. I'm breaking on his name right now. Yeah,

1477
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 8: well Anderson, that worked out so well.

1478
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, there's been a plenty of people taken

1479
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 3: in the first round who would have been worth trading

1480
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 3: up for you just at the time you didn't know it, right, Yeah,

1481
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 3: you know that's the key. You knew beforehand, right you would.

1482
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 3: Eddie's in l A, Hey, Eddie, Eddie. Eddie is gone.

1483
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 3: All right, We're gonna go to Providence. Randy's there, what's up? Randy?

1484
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Speaker 5: Hey?

1485
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 6: Guys.

1486
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Speaker 4: So, I mean this draft class overall kind of all

1487
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 4: the players have like one major flaw, right, and and

1488
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 4: to that end, just thoughts on two players, and then

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Speaker 4: I want to get you guys' reaction. Uh, Number one,

1490
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Speaker 4: Will Campbell, I think you guys are drafted understanding how

1491
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 4: much of an outlier he is, not just his arm length,

1492
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 4: but obviously contributes to that his wingspan and he's got

1493
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 4: narrow shoulders. They said his wingspan is seventy seven and like,

1494
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 4: I think it's a half or five eights. Hasn't been

1495
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 4: seen since nineteen ninety nine, at least they just stopped

1496
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,679
Speaker 4: looking at that point. So he's a he's a wild

1497
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 4: outlier of that aspect.

1498
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Speaker 3: This guy sounds deformed. And from the way everyone's talking

1499
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Speaker 3: about him right now, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and then Tetero and McMillan too. I've heard

1501
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 4: a little bit of talk about him, the Patriots being

1502
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 4: interested in him, and I mean, he sounds good. He's

1503
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 4: six five thirteen hundred yards and I started looking into it,

1504
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 4: and you realize thirty eight percent of those yards, five

1505
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 4: hundred and six of them came in two games, one

1506
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 4: against New Mexico one against West Virginia not exactly high

1507
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 4: caliber pass defenses, and five of his eight touchdowns came

1508
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 4: to those two same two games. The only time he

1509
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 4: played an NFL caliber cornerback talent was called Roto Traviath Hunter.

1510
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,480
Speaker 4: He has five receptions for thirty eight yards and no touchdowns.

1511
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 4: So if you take out those two really good games,

1512
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 4: you're talking about a receiver with ten games, eight and

1513
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 4: thirteen yards, three touchdowns, and an average of twelve point

1514
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 4: seven yards per reception for a six or five guy

1515
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 4: in that league where he's not playing he's not in

1516
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 4: the SEC.

1517
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 6: You know, he's also the worst team in the league

1518
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 6: a lot more than that.

1519
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 4: But he's got a good quarterback and a good offensive

1520
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 4: line in front of that quarterback. The worst part of

1521
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 4: that team is that he's played with that quarterback since

1522
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 4: high school.

1523
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, quarterbacks, Jonas, Yeah, I don't think they're very good.

1524
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 6: I disagree. I don't like McMillan because he doesn't run

1525
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 6: all that well. You guys know me. I'm a I'm

1526
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 6: a speedist.

1527
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 2: I'm with you.

1528
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 6: I want elite athleticism, especially for outside guys. I don't

1529
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 6: love him, but I don't like the whole take these

1530
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 6: two games out thing, because I think if you look

1531
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:59,759
Speaker 6: at most teams, it's football is a short sample by nature,

1532
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 6: it's only sixteen games. In college it's even less. So

1533
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 6: stats are sort of driven by incredible performances in individual times, Like,

1534
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 6: if you do that, you have to do that for everybody.

1535
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 6: You have to take out the best and worst for

1536
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 6: all all of the things.

1537
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 3: Well, not if the best is against the best teams.

1538
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 6: But what I'm saying is not everybody averages one hundred

1539
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 6: and ten yards per game, and they get actually one

1540
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 6: hundred and ten yards every game. Some of them get

1541
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 6: three hundred and one game and fifteen another. Like that's

1542
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 6: the way it works.

1543
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 3: But you do have to look at who the competition.

1544
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 6: I don't I think Randy's point on McMillan is is accurate.

1545
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 6: I don't think he's quote unquote that good. And I

1546
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 6: think that the league is telling you that they feel

1547
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 6: the same way. They're intrigued by the size. But the

1548
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 6: more you're hearing, the further down the first round, he

1549
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 6: seems to be falling.

1550
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I think we we said we understand

1551
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 8: Will Campbell. I'm like depressed over here about it.

1552
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:56,600
Speaker 6: We're understating it.

1553
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 8: They I don't know, and I agree with them. I've

1554
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 8: been saying not about tech McMillan before the combine, and

1555
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 8: we'll worry me about Tech macmillan even more is that

1556
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 8: he was afraid to run at the combine, which tells

1557
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:08,679
Speaker 8: me that he probably runs.

1558
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 6: Like one guy say that that means he's in the

1559
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 6: four seventiesh Yeah, like if he.

1560
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 8: Was going to run, well, he would have ran. So

1561
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 8: now we're going to go to the stop watches at

1562
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 8: his pro day and you know who hell knows.

1563
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 6: If that's was my theory on Will Campbell's arms. Yeah,

1564
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 6: you know, when we were talking last Thursday, I said

1565
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 6: to Fred, you know, don't don't you think we'd know

1566
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 6: that he has long enough arms. If he had long

1567
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:29,759
Speaker 6: enough arms, I don't think it would be this mystery

1568
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 6: heading into the combine. We'd all know. Yeah.

1569
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 5: I kind of feel with McMillan, guy like Genty, like

1570
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 5: they're specific players for specific teams at specific times. Like

1571
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 5: I don't know why Houston just popped into my mind,

1572
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 5: but like, you know, a team that has some in

1573
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 5: theory inside threats and Eco Collins, but you know, get

1574
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 5: a guy like McMillan, ware, Look, he doesn't need to

1575
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 5: stretch the field. We just need a big body guy

1576
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 5: on the outside that can contribute to what we already have.

1577
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 5: You know, same thing with Genty, where I feel like,

1578
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 5: you know, we got some pieces on offense, this guy

1579
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 5: can put us over the top. Whereas a team like

1580
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 5: the Patriots, where you're really trying to find those foundational pieces.

1581
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 5: It's hard to take those ones that.

1582
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 6: Are such specific, like Janty could have been a good

1583
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 6: pick for like say Philadelphia if they didn't get Barkley

1584
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 6: last year, Like you look at the impact like an improvement,

1585
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 6: Like they obviously had a good offense with DeAndre Swift,

1586
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 6: but Barkley's better than him, and it showed, and they

1587
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 6: had a great offense with Barkley, you know, and I

1588
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 6: think that would have made sense, you know, last year. Yeah,

1589
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 6: for Genta.

1590
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 8: If you want to sell yourself on TEP McMillan, his

1591
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 8: game against Colorado and twenty twenty three is the game

1592
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 8: that everybody props up. He had a decent game against

1593
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 8: Travis Hunter, the one that he actually played this year.

1594
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 8: Travis Hunter was hurt and he didn't play a lot

1595
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 8: of defense in that game. I think he only played

1596
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 8: like something like ten or fifteen snaps on defense. So

1597
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 8: they actually didn't face each other a whole lot this

1598
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 8: past year. So two years ago in twenty three, McMillan

1599
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 8: made like a one handed catch in the end zone

1600
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 8: on Travis Hunter. That is like the highlight of his

1601
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 8: Arizona career.

1602
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 6: That's the stuff that worries me about McMillan more. It's

1603
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 6: that whole PTSD I have from Aaron Dobson, Like that's

1604
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 6: what I see more often than not when McMillan's making plays.

1605
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 6: It's that kind of it's not like, oh did you

1606
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 6: see that that route that he just ran? You know,

1607
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 6: he put his foot in the ground and stuck the

1608
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 6: you know, the inside. You know, he's really he's he's

1609
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 6: contested catches. Actually, he's find good contested like he's he's good. Yeah,

1610
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 6: I just don't know if he's great.

1611
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 8: I actually think that he can run routes pretty well

1612
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 8: at the second level, Like his start stopability at his

1613
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 8: size is probably like my favorite trade of his, uh

1614
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:36,560
Speaker 8: you know, come back or stop routes in cuts like

1615
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 8: but mostly at like that intermediate level. Like he's a

1616
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 8: big possession receiver.

1617
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 6: If you've heard a lot of people talk about Drake

1618
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 6: London with him, if that's what he is, that's a

1619
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 6: that's a good NFL player. Now I don't know that

1620
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 6: Drake London was worthy of of a top ten pick, yeah,

1621
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,640
Speaker 6: but he's a good player. And if McMillan turns out

1622
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 6: to be that I think the team that drafts them

1623
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 6: will be happy Wills in Kentucky.

1624
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 3: Hey Will, all right, Hello, Yes, yes, I was gonna

1625
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 3: ask you about what's going on over there? Who Andre Thornton?

1626
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 8: Oh yeah really fast? Okay, fast guys? Draft fast?

1627
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 3: Draft fast guys?

1628
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 8: Yeah fast that fast? And whose barth likes to say, Okay.

1629
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 6: What if you want strong guys? Bred?

1630
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 3: Draft strong, don't draft week guys?

1631
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 6: Interesting?

1632
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 3: All right, so we'll we'll we have some drop. I

1633
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,679
Speaker 3: don't know what's going on. Yeah, the squeaky wheel.

1634
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 8: I know you we all like speed. He's one of

1635
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 8: those guys that you start asking yourself, like, what else

1636
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 8: is he good at?

1637
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 3: Oh?

1638
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, I speed just for the sake of speed, you can.

1639
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 8: Clearly run, you know. That's he's you know, had a

1640
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:53,440
Speaker 8: great combine.

1641
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 5: But I mean, from my perspective, when I say I

1642
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 5: want speed, I don't mind if it comes at the

1643
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 5: price of like you know, that's I'm okay. The guy

1644
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 5: like Isaiah Bond, you know, a little smaller, like I

1645
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 5: just need somebody with some juice.

1646
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 8: Well, what I like about Isaiah bon is that he's compact,

1647
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 8: like he's not Thornton small, where he's tall and in

1648
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 8: length that he's he's more like Jayleen Wattle, you know,

1649
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 8: like where he's like a compact smaller. He's big, beads slot.

1650
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 6: But I would say that's that's a good off. Like

1651
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 6: Jaylen Waddle, he's big enough.

1652
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1653
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 6: I go back to like my couple of guys, Christian

1654
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 6: Kirk and Brandon Cooks. I liked both of those guys

1655
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 6: a lot coming out of college. Smaller guys that could

1656
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,879
Speaker 6: really run, but they had some thickness.

1657
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, can take some time.

1658
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 8: That's how I would say.

1659
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:46,560
Speaker 5: Bond is yeah, James is not.

1660
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 6: And fifty pounds North Carolina?

1661
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 3: What's up, Jimmy? All right?

1662
01:15:54,000 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 7: So I had an outside thought for you. Is there

1663
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 7: anybody that you could think that we could take off

1664
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 7: the board and use immediately as an asset to trade away.

1665
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 7: As an example, take Jant and and not that you

1666
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 7: would get them for this price, but take Jant because

1667
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 7: you know the Cowboys won them, and trade that off

1668
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 7: for in a package for CD.

1669
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:25,759
Speaker 5: For who CD lamb.

1670
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 6: No, you couldn't do that.

1671
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 7: No, not specifically CD.

1672
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 6: That's just an example, but nothing of any comparable value.

1673
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 6: You're not going to trade a rookie that you took

1674
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 6: in the draft for an established star.

1675
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 7: I get that because somebody that you know a team

1676
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 7: is targeting a particular piece you know they need.

1677
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 3: Well, if you were doing to do that, why I

1678
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 3: just want to, you know, defend James a little bit.

1679
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,759
Speaker 3: Why is it so incredible? Like, so you take a player,

1680
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 3: let's just say you take Will Campbell and there's somebody

1681
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 3: else on another team that you know didn't have an

1682
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 3: option to pick them because they're lower in the draft,

1683
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 3: but they have a player you like, and.

1684
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 6: Oh, well that's different.

1685
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, a player I like.

1686
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can listen to that. It's like trading I'm

1687
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 6: going to trade Micah Parsons for a first round pick, right,

1688
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 6: But that's that's like I don't want Micah Parsons anymore,

1689
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 6: so I'm trading him for a first round pick. Ceedee

1690
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 6: Lamb is like the centerpiece of the Cowboys offense, right,

1691
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 6: and they just signed him to a long term extension.

1692
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 6: But it's going to cost you more than the fourth

1693
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 6: pick of the draft, is my point.

1694
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 8: But you're selling. You're selling the pick though, right like

1695
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 8: you wouldn't, Yes, you wouldn't draft the player and then

1696
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 8: trade the player. The Cowboys would call and say we

1697
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 8: want the fourth overall pick, so we can draft Jess.

1698
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 3: So instead of a pick swap and something else you're drafting,

1699
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 3: you're trading for a player.

1700
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 8: Right, So the Patriots would say, Okay, we don't actually

1701
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 8: want I think they're at twelve. We don't actually want

1702
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 8: your pick. We want Micah Parsons. Now, I'm not saying

1703
01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:58,719
Speaker 8: that's going to happen.

1704
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 6: I'm just and I get what you just saying. Now.

1705
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 6: I thought you meant at first specifically ce d Lamb,

1706
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 6: but you're just talking about a trade. Yeah, yeah, And

1707
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 6: I think you do trade establish players for draft picks

1708
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 6: at times, but players that you don't want or that

1709
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 6: you can't sign, Yeah, like ye, And that's you know,

1710
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 6: my whole theory on free agents that you let go

1711
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 6: generally guys that you're comfortable letting go.

1712
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 3: All right, thanks James not you know. I like the

1713
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 3: out of the box thinking. Yeah, yeah, it was different,

1714
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 3: uh Reno and Knoxville Tennessee rights. And I really wish

1715
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 3: they'd get rid of the fat franchise tag. The only

1716
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 3: people who like it are owners and gms. I think

1717
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 3: it ruins free agency. Been saying it for years before

1718
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,560
Speaker 3: anyone gets snarky. I hated when the Patriots use the

1719
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 3: tag as well. Players hate it and fans hate it.

1720
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 3: Do you think they'll ever get rid of it?

1721
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 6: No, I'm one with him, though I agree totally with

1722
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 6: the emailer. I think it's another and a long line

1723
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 6: of how the players get completely abused by the owner.

1724
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 3: But there's been some players who like Wasn't and Kirk

1725
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 3: Cousins the king of the franchise tag.

1726
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 6: Higgins is benefiting from it right now.

1727
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, you gotta remember the elements

1728
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 3: of the franchise tag were negotiated between the league and

1729
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:15,560
Speaker 3: the players Association.

1730
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, but the Players Association loses those negotiations every time. Yeah.

1731
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 8: I just think that the franchise tag to if you're

1732
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 8: the pitch to the owners, if I was the players,

1733
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 8: was if you want our free agency to truly be

1734
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 8: like the NBA or the MLB, where it's like a

1735
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 8: hot stove and there's actually real movement that they you

1736
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 8: could make. They make it into a spectacle anyways, but

1737
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 8: it would be a real spectacle if everybody hits free

1738
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 8: agency and you you know, T Higgins was going to

1739
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 8: be a free agent and Tray Smith was going to

1740
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 8: be a free agent, and Ronnie Stanley was going to

1741
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 8: be a free agent, and like right on down the line.

1742
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 8: Now you're actually having some real players move.

1743
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 3: But see, the thing is, we're looking at this right

1744
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 3: now from the current Patriots perspective. The fact that right

1745
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,560
Speaker 3: now the salary cap going up allows teams to re

1746
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 3: sign more of their players. I think, isn't that a

1747
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 3: good thing? Like, isn't it good if you're a fan

1748
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 3: of a team and your team's doing well and you

1749
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 3: have to keep those players to keep that, you know,

1750
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 3: continuity with your fandom and the players on the team.

1751
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 3: You know, we'll we hate it now because we don't

1752
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 3: have those players. But if we were, you know, the

1753
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 3: Eagles are one of these teams at the top, we'd

1754
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 3: be like, great, you know, now we can re sign

1755
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 3: more of our guys and keep the band together.

1756
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 5: Right.

1757
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 8: But I would just say that on the flip side

1758
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 8: of that is like the NBA, which right now is

1759
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 8: the king of player movement. Sure, and they're they're the

1760
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 8: number one story super Bowl Week because Luka Doncics just

1761
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 8: got traded from the match to the Lakers.

1762
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 3: Oh, I get it, and stuff like that.

1763
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 6: It's always excited, but the players don't like it. Yeah,

1764
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 6: I mean that's pretty simple.

1765
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 3: The players don't like the franchise tag, right.

1766
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 6: You know, and the the NBA to use evans. The

1767
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 6: the comp is the bird rights. So the player has

1768
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 6: the choice. I can take more to stay with my

1769
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 6: team if I want to, but I still have the

1770
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 6: ability to be a free agent if I want to leave. Yeah,

1771
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 6: that's player power. Now, you could argue that the NBA

1772
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 6: players have too much. You know, so many guys make

1773
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 6: so much money in that league that, in my opinion,

1774
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 6: can't play in the end of The NFL was filled

1775
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 6: with really, really good players that would kill for an

1776
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 6: NBA salary.

1777
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 5: It's gonna be one of the biggest bargaining chips that

1778
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 5: the NFL PA would go after trying to get to

1779
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 5: eighteen games. I mean, like if they try to get

1780
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 5: it into the negotiation, it's.

1781
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 6: I think they worry so much about things that don't matter,

1782
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 6: like you know, ota practices and stuff like that. You

1783
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 6: know that ends up kind of not big nothing burgers.

1784
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 6: They're like the epitome of the Seinfeld episode with Jackie Childs,

1785
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 6: and it's like, you know, we're gonna get this, We're

1786
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 6: gonna get this. We're gonna get this. You know, we're

1787
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 6: gonna give you a free coffee. That's the NBA players

1788
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:54,719
Speaker 6: in the NFL players.

1789
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 8: I just feel like it's disappointing for fans. And maybe

1790
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 8: Friend's right, Maybe some of it's because we're in the

1791
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 8: position that we're in here, but it's disappointed to fans

1792
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,919
Speaker 8: when you get to free agency and like Cam Robinson

1793
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 8: is like the best tackle available and there's really no

1794
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 8: receivers available, and there's it's just not as fun, Like

1795
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 8: it would be way more fun if this was like

1796
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 8: an actual time where you could sign, you know, in

1797
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 8: the NBA every offseason, some you know, megastar is moving

1798
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 8: teams like that is more exciting.

1799
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 3: I see both sides. Jeremiah writes in and I don't

1800
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:29,679
Speaker 3: know if this is true or not, but he said

1801
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 3: Davante Adams just got released.

1802
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 6: By that it's true.

1803
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 3: He said, how would you rank him among the current

1804
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 3: wide receivers in the league that are available. I don't know,

1805
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 3: he question.

1806
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 5: I'd probably say somewhere in the like seven, eight, nine

1807
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 5: to twelve territory somewhere there.

1808
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 6: Maybe I was gonna say I was going to say

1809
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 6: top twenty, but.

1810
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I mean, he's not what he was a

1811
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 8: couple of years ago, but he.

1812
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 6: He still had a pretty good year even though that

1813
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 6: they were so dysfunctional with the Jets.

1814
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 5: Do you think he's still on the Aaron Rodgers train? Like,

1815
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 5: that's my question is does he really want to stick

1816
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 5: with Aaron Rodgers or would he be open to something?

1817
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 6: I think I think there's probably a good chance that

1818
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:14,759
Speaker 6: he sticks with Aaron Rodgers wherever he goes if Rogers plays,

1819
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 6: because I think that's still in doubt.

1820
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 5: What do you know about his relationship with Josh mc Yeah,

1821
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 5: I think that's the one thing.

1822
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I read today that there's no problems with

1823
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 6: that relationship. I read in the Boston Sports Journal that

1824
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 6: was more of a problem with the quarterbacks, according to

1825
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 6: Greg Madaro.

1826
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 8: Okay, car So, but you do wonder, just not people,

1827
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 8: You do kind of wonder, you know, did he like Josh?

1828
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 8: Is that you know? Do you like the offense? Doesn't

1829
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:43,919
Speaker 8: seem like it. Some of the public comments were a little.

1830
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 6: Didn't seem like he was in love with that offense. Yeah,

1831
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,680
Speaker 6: I'd be very surprised if he chose the Patriots if

1832
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 6: he had options.

1833
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, I do think the Patriots will be interested.

1834
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 6: They should be They should Yeah, don't you guys think, yeah, yeah, yes, yes,

1835
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 6: they should be interested. I still they can bring in Adams,

1836
01:23:58,160 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 6: That's that's an upgrade.

1837
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 5: I still can't forget watching him in those in the

1838
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 5: joint practices out in Vegas few years ago, and I

1839
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,759
Speaker 5: was just man among boys, well watching you know, watching

1840
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 5: the Patriots over that time period, and you know, there

1841
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 5: was never really a number one. I haven't really seen

1842
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 5: a number one receiver in camp. And then to see

1843
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 5: him going drills, I mean that was just one rep

1844
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 5: that always stands out to me against Janeen Mills, Jayalen Mills,

1845
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 5: they were even, and then they weren't even. You know,

1846
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 5: it was just this gear where he even boom hammered down.

1847
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, but just big moves.

1848
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 5: Really well, I mean, I mean I'd be I'd be thrilled.

1849
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 6: My son just sent me a text, you know, DeVante

1850
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 6: Adams of the Pats question.

1851
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 5: It's funny face have like like all these side conversations

1852
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:38,759
Speaker 5: with family members about.

1853
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 6: This, so you know, we're in the middle of a show.

1854
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 6: I just go wait to see that, and he goes,

1855
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 6: I didn't. I was just wondering. You think they'd sign him.

1856
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 5: He's not listening.

1857
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 8: He had eighty five catches, one sixty three yards and

1858
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 8: eight touchdowns last year between the two teams. There's still,

1859
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 8: you know, still a thousand yard receivers.

1860
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:57,919
Speaker 6: I'm saying he's still he's still productive.

1861
01:24:58,280 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 3: Need a movie.

1862
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 5: And that's like, you know, some of the speculation of

1863
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 5: like bringing Jacobe Myers back. Like I love Jacoby Myers,

1864
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 5: but like we need somebody who can get outside.

1865
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 6: And I know from a broken record, and I know

1866
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 6: it's a me problem, and I understand. I just I

1867
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 6: think the offense works so well the way that they

1868
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 6: situated with the little slot receivers and the chain movers,

1869
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 6: because Tom Brady was just perfection. I think that offense

1870
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 6: needs perfection to succeed. I want playmakers that I don't

1871
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 6: have to rely on completing nine passes in a row

1872
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 6: to get eight first downs. You know, like.

1873
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 8: DeVante Adams is one of the guys that said that,

1874
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 8: and he said that about this offense that it's more

1875
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 8: of like a dink and dunk, you know, maticulated down

1876
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 8: the field type of mist.

1877
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 6: So hard to do that with just anybody. Yeah, Brady,

1878
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,560
Speaker 6: it wasn't so hard for him because he had the

1879
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 6: answers to the tests, as he famously told.

1880
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 3: Us Ellen Wisconsin's is Mike, I don't understand why you

1881
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 3: think the Patriots are in no man's land. Didn't you

1882
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 3: want to not be saddled with the number one?

1883
01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 6: Overall?

1884
01:25:58,240 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 3: You should be thrilled?

1885
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, Mike, No, that's I think that's a good criticism

1886
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 5: for Mel.

1887
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:05,640
Speaker 3: I think she's it is.

1888
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 6: Because because those of us that were like, it's not

1889
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 6: that big a deal, it looks like a big.

1890
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 5: Deal now, we were kind of wrong, right, I mean, well,

1891
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 5: I thought I was talking to Evanon and I think

1892
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 5: we were walking out yesterday.

1893
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 6: It's it's you did you thought it was a big

1894
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 6: deal at the time, Evan. I'll give your credit.

1895
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 5: There's an alternate reality.

1896
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 6: I'm not being sarcastic. Mike and I were like, oh,

1897
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 6: what's a big deal.

1898
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:28,560
Speaker 5: Now there's an alternate reality where we're actually spending the

1899
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 5: next two months just debating Carter or Hunter and that's

1900
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 5: pretty much all we're talking about for the last two months.

1901
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 5: And I, yeah, you're right out. I kind of wish

1902
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 5: we were there now.

1903
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 8: It's the one advantage not always obnoxious about being a

1904
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 8: draft nerd is like I was already into this in

1905
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 8: like November, so I knew what they were giving up

1906
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 8: by winning that game.

1907
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 5: And guys like, two guys, you're outside the top two.

1908
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 3: Jackie and Abba. Who's our Michigan correspondent says, take to

1909
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 3: understanding Mason Graham is that he was a great high

1910
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 3: school wrestler and he brings his wrestling techniques playing defensive tackle.

1911
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 3: Mason Graham does not have elite measurables, but he does

1912
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 3: have elite balance, and his elite balance enables him to

1913
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 3: play low more effectively than other defensive tackles. To appreciate

1914
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 3: Mason Graham, one must watch his video. He's stone the

1915
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 3: best offensive lineman from USC, Ohio State and Alabama. He

1916
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 3: is a great defensive tackle and whatever team drafts him

1917
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 3: is going to get a guy who will be a

1918
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 3: star defensive tackle for a decade.

1919
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 8: So I agree with ninety nine percent of the email

1920
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:33,640
Speaker 8: except one word star. I don't know if he's going

1921
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:35,560
Speaker 8: to be a star. I think he's going to be

1922
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 8: a really good defensive tackle in the league for ten years.

1923
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 8: I don't know if he's going to be elite. That's

1924
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 8: the problem because he said it like he doesn't have

1925
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 8: that athleticism. He doesn't have the size, he doesn't have

1926
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 8: the measurables, so he's going to have to make up

1927
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,879
Speaker 8: for all of that with wrestling background.

1928
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 3: I would just say it's a good background to have.

1929
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, the wrestling thing is huge. I talk to

1930
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:01,839
Speaker 6: a million people about that and TJ you know, started wrestling.

1931
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:03,560
Speaker 6: I asked a lot of people about it from a

1932
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 6: football perspective, from a lineman.

1933
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 3: But we still have a single.

1934
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 6: He does not have a singlet. Matter of fact, he

1935
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 6: never had a singlet.

1936
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 5: They wore shirts, shirts and uniform.

1937
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not how you wrestle.

1938
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 6: It's not the required too much to grab on time.

1939
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 6: They were like those you can't toy.

1940
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 3: But you end up with those shorts on your knees.

1941
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 3: If you wrestle in shorts, singlets go down to you

1942
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 3: your knee, but they don't come apart. That's what I'm saying.

1943
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 3: You can pull those shorts down.

1944
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 6: Well that didn't happen.

1945
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 3: Yeah anyway, that's why you wear a singlet to piece,

1946
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 3: you know, to.

1947
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 6: Back Evan the star part of it, like the star

1948
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 6: interior defense in lineman. That that's Chris Jones, that's Aaron Donald.

1949
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 6: Like do you think he has that. I'm not saying

1950
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 6: that he doesn't have that potential, but is that what

1951
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 6: Jack is suggesting? Star? Because that's what a star means

1952
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 6: to me, like Christian Barmore, love them meaning not a star.

1953
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:00,719
Speaker 6: Christian Barmore has not been a star, not your patriot,

1954
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 6: not yet, not yet. Okay, my guess is at this

1955
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 6: point it's not going to be a star, Like you

1956
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 6: don't become star generally in year five.

1957
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 7: No, but.

1958
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 6: If that's what you think Mason Graham can be a star,

1959
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 6: then you gotta think long and hard about taking him

1960
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 6: at four.

1961
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1962
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:21,560
Speaker 6: I don't see that.

1963
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too.

1964
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 5: I know I texted you guys, but No Socks reaction

1965
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 5: to Mason Graham at the podium was was one of

1966
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,640
Speaker 5: the highlights of the whole common one of.

1967
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:30,679
Speaker 8: The best, and the fact that he was in Josina

1968
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 8: Anderson's video reacting to.

1969
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 5: Me, I don't know if I said to you so well,

1970
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 5: I guess first the story was like we're it's all

1971
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 5: gathered around Mason Graham, you know, No Socks is just

1972
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 5: sitting there watching it, and uh, like the second he

1973
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 5: walks down, the things like nope, I'm out. And so

1974
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 5: I was kind of taking back. I was like, well,

1975
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 5: you know, have you have you watched him play much?

1976
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 3: Not a lick.

1977
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:55,839
Speaker 5: And so then later in the day jose and Anderson

1978
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 5: puts out a tweet of like, you know, here's the

1979
01:29:57,400 --> 01:30:00,759
Speaker 5: reaction to Mason Graham and it's literally like star framed

1980
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:05,599
Speaker 5: on no socks and then pans up. It was literally

1981
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 5: the moment that was like, nope, no for me.

1982
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 8: So Devanta Adams apparently wants to play on the West

1983
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 8: coast all right, So that I just now like, I just.

1984
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 6: Can't imagine he would say Patriots if he had options.

1985
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 8: Chargers is a good call. That woudn't make a lot

1986
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 8: of sense.

1987
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:27,640
Speaker 3: Chargers could see that Travis in West Virginia. I'm not

1988
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 3: trying to make fun, but I'm perplexed by the way

1989
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 3: Evan pronounces words like important, Curtin ritten, Milton Thornton. Uh,

1990
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 3: that's how you say it. I've also noticed Alex f

1991
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 3: doing the same thing, so I thought it was something

1992
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 3: the younger generation does, but Bob Soci does it too.

1993
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 3: Is it a New England thing Bob does?

1994
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 6: So used to say Cam Newton, Cam Newton, it's Cam Newton,

1995
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 6: It's Cam Newton.

1996
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1997
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't notice it.

1998
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 6: Obviously, I never noticed it with you and Alex. I

1999
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 6: have to be honest.

2000
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 3: Certain certain, yeah, certain, certain, Certain you don't pronounce the t.

2001
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 3: You you don't pronounce the t.

2002
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 6: But certain does anybody really well?

2003
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:16,560
Speaker 3: But some people that you can notice it more? And

2004
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 3: I would say Evan, Bob Soci, I would put in

2005
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 3: that group. I have an ear for voice and articulation

2006
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 3: and diction that you do Los Angeles, well, I went

2007
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 3: to Emerson, So everybody has to take that. Yeah, uh

2008
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 3: spiin Fresno writes in if you pick a guy at

2009
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 3: four who's not really a number four pick, is the

2010
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 3: disappointment more about the missed opportunity when picking high you

2011
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 3: didn't get the talent you hoped for, or about now

2012
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 3: being saddled with an overdrafted player you're stuck with the guy.

2013
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's both, but I guess it's more about

2014
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,799
Speaker 3: the missed opportunity, given that access to high picks is limited,

2015
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 3: for instance, what's strange The missed opportunity to pick a

2016
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 3: more valuable player seems more annoying than the seeming obligation

2017
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 3: to give Strange a roster spot. Because he's affordable on

2018
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 3: a rookie contract.

2019
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 6: I think it's a not B.

2020
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 5: I like how he's thinking, though, and I'd go back

2021
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 5: to just the point of there will be a guy

2022
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 5: in this draft that should have gone forth overall, and

2023
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 5: it puts more pressure on the front office staff to

2024
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 5: find him. But to me, the question is what position

2025
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 5: is worth overdrafting? You know, is if Will Campbell ends

2026
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:30,720
Speaker 5: up a left guard, is it worth it? You know,

2027
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 5: if Membo ends up your right tackle for ten years?

2028
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 5: Is it worth it? If you know, if Tyler Warren

2029
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,599
Speaker 5: ends up being a plus tight end for the next

2030
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 5: ten years.

2031
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 6: Bring it up. We haven't talked about him.

2032
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 5: Is Ashton genty If he holds up for ten years

2033
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 5: and is an all round, dynamic, home run hitting back,

2034
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 5: is he worth it at fourth overall? You know those

2035
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 5: are or will Will like Johnson the cornerback.

2036
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 6: Let's go back to that that twenty thirteen draft. And

2037
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 6: this is why I say it's a not B. It's

2038
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:01,639
Speaker 6: not like stuck with this this guy. If the guy's

2039
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 6: not good, then he's not good. You get rid of

2040
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 6: them whatever. There's no ramifications of that other than it

2041
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 6: blew a pick like that stinks like you don't want

2042
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:15,759
Speaker 6: to do that. But in twenty thirteen, yes, there's gonna

2043
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 6: be someone that should have been taken forth overall that

2044
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:19,560
Speaker 6: would have been worthy of that pick. But there's a

2045
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 6: difference between if you pick somebody at four who turns

2046
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 6: out to be a bust and then the sixth pick

2047
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 6: ends up being an All pro that you gonna that's

2048
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,799
Speaker 6: gonna haunt you. I missed him. If it's like twenty

2049
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 6: thirteen and the next good player is like twenty seven

2050
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:38,599
Speaker 6: at DeAndre Hopkins, well, like the whole league didn't look

2051
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:42,839
Speaker 6: at him that way either, you know, And I wouldn't

2052
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 6: look at that any differently than like, well you could

2053
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 6: have had Terry McLaurin instead of Nikhil Harry, Like yeah,

2054
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 6: two rounds later, no one else thought McLaurin was going

2055
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:54,640
Speaker 6: to be as good as he is either. You know,

2056
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:57,599
Speaker 6: it's the guys that were taken, you know, it's cold strange.

2057
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 6: Instead of Trent McDuffie. That's a missed opportunity. You trade

2058
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 6: it out of a spot with an all pro caliber

2059
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 6: cornerback got taken and you needed a corner and you

2060
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 6: didn't take them. That you lament. But if there's just

2061
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 6: no good players in the first round. I think that's

2062
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 6: easier to stomach.

2063
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 8: In a weird way, I'd like to do to rattle

2064
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 8: it off those players, Like I feel like it's a

2065
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 8: question of would you rather just hit it down the

2066
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 8: fairway with like a high floor player that you know,

2067
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 8: this guy's going to play in the league. I don't

2068
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 8: know if it's going to be a star level, but

2069
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 8: you know, Tyler Warren is going to be a good

2070
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 8: tight end in the NFL. Is he going to be

2071
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 8: Rob Gronkowski? Probably not, but he's going to be a

2072
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 8: good tight end in the NFL. Or would you rather

2073
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:39,799
Speaker 8: take a chance on the one of the trades guys

2074
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 8: like mikel Williams, you know, like a Shamar Stewart, you know,

2075
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 8: one of these pass rushers that have all the raw

2076
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:49,640
Speaker 8: measurables but don't necessarily have the production in college. And like,

2077
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,640
Speaker 8: you know, that's the debate that that to me is

2078
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 8: this draft right now for the Patriots and I don't

2079
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 8: envy the position that would you rather? I would probably

2080
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 8: for the Patriots right now, I would probably take the

2081
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 8: safer pick, yep, Because yeah.

2082
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 5: I think I'm the same thing that's got to be

2083
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 5: right now you're not in the position to be like, hey,

2084
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:10,680
Speaker 5: let's take a swing. If it doesn't work out, oh well,

2085
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 5: we've got other talented guys like and that's what that's

2086
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 5: what's appealing to me. I think you take a guy

2087
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:16,920
Speaker 5: like that. If Tyler Warren ends up being your tight

2088
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 5: end for ten years and no, he's not Gronk, but

2089
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 5: he's a really good is anyone gonna me and then

2090
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:23,640
Speaker 5: you're right, though, Paul, I like your point of On

2091
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 5: one hand, yes, if he's placed for ten years and

2092
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:27,360
Speaker 5: he solid no one's gonna say what a bust you

2093
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 5: missed on the fourth overall pick. But if a guy

2094
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 5: goes two picks later, who's an All World you know,

2095
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 5: transcendental defensive lineman, you're oh my god, we needed that

2096
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:37,519
Speaker 5: piece and we missed on it.

2097
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I would be able. I'd be okay with

2098
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:42,719
Speaker 6: it as long as I got a really good player,

2099
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 6: Like if Will Campbell's an All Pro guard and you

2100
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 6: took him four, and then at six your Georgia guy

2101
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 6: goes and he turns out.

2102
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 5: To being car Or two point out right, Hey.

2103
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I miss I missed that opportunity, but I got

2104
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 6: an All Pro player I picked a really good player.

2105
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 6: It's when you go in the safe kid and it

2106
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 6: ends up being not all that safe.

2107
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 5: Right, Well, then that's when I get into the positional

2108
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:06,760
Speaker 5: thing and is it you know, is a is a

2109
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 5: left guard? Is that good enough?

2110
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 7: You know?

2111
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:11,599
Speaker 5: Is that impactful enough? And I think, Hannah, some people

2112
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 5: could make the case like Drake May, Like, if you're

2113
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:16,719
Speaker 5: gonna protect Drake May up the middle, He's gonna be smart,

2114
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:18,679
Speaker 5: he's gonna be tough. We saw so many free rushers

2115
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:21,160
Speaker 5: coming right up the middle last year. He's got attitude,

2116
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 5: he plays with some grit. You know, there's a lot

2117
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 5: to love. But still, is he gonna impact the game?

2118
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 5: Is he gonna do enough for Drake May to make

2119
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 5: enough of a difference?

2120
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:32,720
Speaker 3: Uh Ford in Savannah, I loved Travis Hunter for this

2121
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 3: team for a while. According to the Internet, which is

2122
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 3: always accurate, Mike Rabel has said they put Hunter as

2123
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 3: the top receiver and cornerback on the board.

2124
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:45,560
Speaker 8: Did he say that that was a report from I

2125
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 8: believe mass lives a little round up of the time.

2126
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 3: This makes me think that they really want ab Dul Carter.

2127
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 3: Am I just used to Bill's mind games? Or do

2128
01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:55,639
Speaker 3: you guys see some truth in this. So they're saying

2129
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 3: all that, but they prefer a Carter.

2130
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 5: I mean, we asked, asked, I mean now, then I

2131
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 5: asked Elliot Wolf directly about Travis Hunter, and I don't

2132
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 5: know if everybody saw the clip, but he told us

2133
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 5: that Macro wrote up two separate scouting reports on him.

2134
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 5: Just the vibe I think we've gotten from them is

2135
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 5: that they they like Travis Hunter.

2136
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:17,320
Speaker 8: I think they're pretty infatuated by it, like from like

2137
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:22,280
Speaker 8: a scouting nerdom standpoint, just like talk like that's such

2138
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 8: a unique player to just talk about, Like even if

2139
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 8: you're you draft him or not, it's you know, how

2140
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 8: which position is he better at? How do you what's

2141
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 8: the plan to play them both ways? Like it's just

2142
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 8: a fun thing to talk about that you don't get

2143
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 8: to talk about all the time.

2144
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 6: You know, I can't remember ever happening. I mean I

2145
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:41,640
Speaker 6: remember guys who played both ways in college, but not

2146
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 6: whether there was a true debate as to which side

2147
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 6: of the ball he was going to play on in

2148
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 6: the NFL.

2149
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:50,519
Speaker 8: Because when you when you talk to people about Travis Hunter,

2150
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 8: you know one of his superpowers is that he can

2151
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 8: play both ways at such a high level, and so

2152
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 8: a lot of people feel like if you don't play

2153
01:37:57,479 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 8: them both ways, and you're not going to get the

2154
01:37:59,120 --> 01:37:59,759
Speaker 8: most value.

2155
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 6: PA ask yourself, do you think you'd be the Heisman

2156
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:03,719
Speaker 6: Trophy winner if you only played corner?

2157
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 8: Probably not.

2158
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:08,640
Speaker 6: No same with wide receiver, you probably wouldn't be. So

2159
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 6: what your superpower theory is probably accurate. That's what makes

2160
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:17,640
Speaker 6: him so super special is that he played both at

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01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 6: an extremely high level.

2162
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 3: Mike Gerkin writes in the Pairaman better a long time

2163
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 3: says written in but some things I hope you find

2164
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 3: interesting that I wanted to share. Let's see, should the

2165
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:32,560
Speaker 3: NFL be worried? What I mean by this is that

2166
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 3: with the salary cap ever expanding, teams have the ability

2167
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 3: to keep whoever they want from a free agent standpoint,

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01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 3: teams however, are still required to spend to a certain

2169
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 3: threshold each year, so potentially having to throw good money

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01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 3: at bad players. To compound the problem even further, we

2171
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 3: are seeing a lack of talent at certain positions when

2172
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 3: it comes to the draft. This begs the question, as

2173
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:56,679
Speaker 3: we move forward and the options each year become less

2174
01:38:56,720 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 3: and less, how the teams that need to rebuild get

2175
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:02,639
Speaker 3: better is this just a doomsday scenario in my own head.

2176
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 3: Where has the league seen its best version of itself already?

2177
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 8: I don't know if I would go that far, but

2178
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 8: I do think it's an interesting conversation about there's a

2179
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 8: lot of teams that have a lot of cap space,

2180
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 8: and there probably aren't a lot of free agents that

2181
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 8: are worth the cap space.

2182
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 6: And I think this is that's a good point.

2183
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2184
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:21,240
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2185
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,479
Speaker 3: Also, my player is Sunny Weaver junior post it note

2186
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 3: note player in this draft got draft is Jalen Knowell out.

2187
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:29,680
Speaker 8: Of is U.

2188
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:32,679
Speaker 3: Hopefully you guys understand the reference.

2189
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, well I understand the reference. But welcome, Yes, we're

2190
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 8: all welcoming. Anybody to the fan club is welcome. At

2191
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 8: some point where you have to cut it off though,

2192
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 8: like you a week before the draft, either're on the

2193
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 8: bandwagon or you're off.

2194
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 5: But for now, it's I mean, it's it's kind of funny.

2195
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,439
Speaker 5: I feel like we're really three of us have talked

2196
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 5: a lot about this now over the last couple of weeks,

2197
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:54,840
Speaker 5: and I think we're all kind of in very close

2198
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:56,720
Speaker 5: lockstep on a lot of these guys, like you know.

2199
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 6: There's not a lot of like you know, haven't been

2200
01:39:59,120 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 6: in an argument weeks.

2201
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 5: I know, like one of us can't one of us

2202
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 5: love Mason jam or one of us love Ted McMillan,

2203
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:06,880
Speaker 5: or you know, one of us be out on Travis Hunter.

2204
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 6: I really hate it. Yeah, back to the thing about

2205
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 6: the Rabel piece. You know they have Hunter one wide

2206
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 6: receiver in corner. That sort of tells me that they

2207
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 6: must be pretty confident that there's no chance that he's available,

2208
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 6: assuming that there's any degree of validity to that that

2209
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:30,080
Speaker 6: they must think. You know, like remember when the year

2210
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 6: that Bill talked about Robert Gallery coming out of that draft,

2211
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,360
Speaker 6: and they yeah, because you know, we're picking in the

2212
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:39,160
Speaker 6: you know whatever, probably thirty two, and I can talk

2213
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:43,519
Speaker 6: about Robert Gallery as a generational offensive line prospect coming

2214
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:46,680
Speaker 6: out because there's no possible way that I can get

2215
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:51,000
Speaker 6: him in that draft. Remember, Yeah, that's the way I

2216
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:54,400
Speaker 6: look at this. If he's talking in very specifics about

2217
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:56,720
Speaker 6: a player, he must know that he's not going to

2218
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 6: be available.

2219
01:40:58,000 --> 01:40:59,640
Speaker 3: Do you think is there any other reason why he

2220
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 3: would that other than.

2221
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 6: Just smoke screen would be the other one that the

2222
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 6: email emissions.

2223
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:10,559
Speaker 8: I don't know. I think he generally like that just Bill.

2224
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 6: Wanted to marry Robert. He loved to the point where

2225
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 6: he flamed out with the Raiders, and he brought him

2226
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:20,719
Speaker 6: here like he loved Robert Gallery. But I just felt

2227
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:23,600
Speaker 6: like he knew. The reason why he was telling us

2228
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 6: how much he loved him is because he knew he

2229
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:25,599
Speaker 6: couldn't get him.

2230
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 3: Sea Bass and Mass writes in began big welcome back

2231
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:32,439
Speaker 3: to Deuce and a Lane. You know that he's calling

2232
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 3: you a lane from Seinfeld. You were like the annoying

2233
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 3: cast character that I took great offense to people liked

2234
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 3: or something like that. But he says it out of love.

2235
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 3: He says, I loved the lane on Seinfeld and used

2236
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:48,839
Speaker 3: the name of Jess much love for Lazarre. But anyway,

2237
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 3: great coverage from the combine, the draft countdown intro music

2238
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:55,880
Speaker 3: is the best of the bunch. Seeing how is how

2239
01:41:56,040 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 3: Evans I'll change his name back. Latest mock draft had

2240
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:01,880
Speaker 3: Hunter at four. I wanted to share my opinion on

2241
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 3: how best to deploy him. We must eventually he must

2242
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 3: eventually play both ways, if during camp or preseason it's

2243
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,639
Speaker 3: overwhelming for him as a rookie. I see the case

2244
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 3: for limiting his scope, but I think you need to

2245
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 3: attempt a dual role from the start. Specifically, as a

2246
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:21,559
Speaker 3: passing specialist. On offense, he should specialize in three wide

2247
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:24,599
Speaker 3: receiver sets on the outside. This limits him to around

2248
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 3: sixty percent of the snaps and limits some of the

2249
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 3: wear and risks that comes from run blocking. As a

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01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:34,960
Speaker 3: wide receiver on defense, he should specialize on third down

2251
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 3: and obviously passing down coverage fifteen to twenty plays round

2252
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 3: thirty percent of snaps. That should again limit how much

2253
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:43,639
Speaker 3: he needs to play against the run, which should hopefully

2254
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:45,400
Speaker 3: keep him fresh. Thoughts.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm not like, I don't know. I'm not too

2256
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 8: worried about how he's used in and the number of

2257
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,640
Speaker 8: snaps on each side of the football and all that

2258
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 8: kind of stuff. I think you should play receiver full time.

2259
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 8: I've thought that from the jump. I think that that's

2260
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 8: the position that he's the most valuable at. I think

2261
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 8: that's the position he's best at in terms of just

2262
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:14,639
Speaker 8: overall talent. I think Andrew Barry from Cleveland said it perfectly.

2263
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 8: You know, when you have a guy that has that

2264
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:18,960
Speaker 8: kind of play speed in ball skills, like how did

2265
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 8: you don't want him to touch the ball ten times

2266
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:22,559
Speaker 8: a game? You want him to touch it maybe once.

2267
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:24,640
Speaker 8: If he picks some you know, picks a pass off

2268
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:25,479
Speaker 8: or something like that on.

2269
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 6: Defense, six seventeen picks, it doesn't.

2270
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 8: Really make much sense.

2271
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:29,160
Speaker 5: So I.

2272
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:34,759
Speaker 8: How much he plays corner I think is more about, Okay,

2273
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 8: we've established that you can that you're at your receiver,

2274
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:43,600
Speaker 8: you're you're good at receiver. If we add corner, you know,

2275
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:46,080
Speaker 8: how realistic is it for us to play you ten

2276
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 8: to fifteen snaps on defense? You know, maybe it's third down. Yeah,

2277
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:50,000
Speaker 8: I got what.

2278
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 5: I love when I have someone to saint Paul Can

2279
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:54,680
Speaker 5: like telling he's no. Something I was thinking about on

2280
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:58,200
Speaker 5: my own, and I know the answer of what's probably easier, harder,

2281
01:43:58,280 --> 01:44:00,960
Speaker 5: But do you what are the different challenges between teaching

2282
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:03,240
Speaker 5: a cornerback to play wide receiver or a wide receiver

2283
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:06,479
Speaker 5: to play cornerback. From like a coaching perspective, It's something

2284
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 5: I was kind of thinking about, Like, I mean, I

2285
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,439
Speaker 5: would say it's probably easier to teach a wide receiver

2286
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:14,120
Speaker 5: to play cornerback. I think, like with Troy Brown kind

2287
01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:17,559
Speaker 5: of thing, But ed, I don't know what's the interesting

2288
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:19,559
Speaker 5: kind of challenges you never see really cornerback.

2289
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:22,320
Speaker 6: I think that's the biggest thing that no one everybody.

2290
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 6: The injury thing, the durability thing is very, very real,

2291
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 6: and it has to be an important If you're going

2292
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:31,720
Speaker 6: to take this guy one or two overall and you're

2293
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,360
Speaker 6: going to play him every play, your chances are you're

2294
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:35,760
Speaker 6: not going to get a long career out of him.

2295
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 6: I think that's a real fear. But wouldn't you worry

2296
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 6: more about the mental ability of a guy to how

2297
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 6: do you understand the systems both sides of the ball,

2298
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 6: the game plans every week, How are you spreading his

2299
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 6: time at meetings? Mentally? How do you know? I think

2300
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:54,840
Speaker 6: that's hard. Now again, if you want to do it

2301
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:57,559
Speaker 6: the way the emailer said that you have a package

2302
01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 6: of plays that he has to know on offense and defense.

2303
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:03,560
Speaker 6: Smaller thing that's Marcus Jones right, Like, you can do that,

2304
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 6: but I'm talking about full time. That's a lot.

2305
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:08,000
Speaker 3: I would just.

2306
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:11,200
Speaker 8: Worry about if we do something fancy like what the

2307
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 8: emailer said. I'm worried that he's not going to be

2308
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:16,439
Speaker 8: impactful on either side of the ball because he's not

2309
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:18,640
Speaker 8: going to be playing him enough on either side of

2310
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 8: the ball right to make a real impact. So I'd

2311
01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 8: much rather him play wide receiver full time, kind of

2312
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:29,080
Speaker 8: like Marcus Jones, and then like Moonlight on defense, where

2313
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:31,559
Speaker 8: you know, if you just say to him, hey, Travis,

2314
01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 8: we can't stop this guy, so why don't you go

2315
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 8: take Jamar Chase for a series and let's see if

2316
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 8: you can do it, then I'd feel a lot better

2317
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:39,680
Speaker 8: about that.

2318
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 5: You know.

2319
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 8: It's like and remember the Titans when he goes over

2320
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 8: to PD and he's like, can you just go cover

2321
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 8: forty two because he's been killing us all night? Like that,

2322
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 8: that's like what I would do with him on defense,

2323
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:55,200
Speaker 8: where just go play man to man against this dude titanence, right, Yeah,

2324
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 8: like you know, and that's it, Like you don't have

2325
01:45:57,920 --> 01:45:59,599
Speaker 8: to worry about man's own you don't have to worry

2326
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 8: about what the rules are run with this do what

2327
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:05,560
Speaker 8: you do draft, And that's how I would approach it.

2328
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:09,040
Speaker 3: Apparently, so just crop dusted the ninety eight point five studio,

2329
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:09,720
Speaker 3: looks it.

2330
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 8: He just sits there, the buss the plane.

2331
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:19,560
Speaker 3: Again, you're getting a lot of criticism, Yeah, Ryan and

2332
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 3: Colorado for the prime fraud. I love how dude said

2333
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:24,560
Speaker 3: a couple of months ago that he didn't want a

2334
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:26,800
Speaker 3: top two pick and that he preferred to be fourth

2335
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:29,599
Speaker 3: or fifth. Now he opens the show today saying, we're

2336
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 3: at four and in no man's land.

2337
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:33,560
Speaker 5: I'm not a fraud because I didn't you know that.

2338
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:35,200
Speaker 3: You didn't know the draftings for guys.

2339
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 5: I didn't know the draft as well.

2340
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:37,920
Speaker 6: So everybody else did.

2341
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 5: Everyone else knew exactly who the two guys were.

2342
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 6: I'm certainly guilty of that. I didn't realize that there's

2343
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 6: only going to be two players worth rafting.

2344
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:44,880
Speaker 3: Would have thought.

2345
01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:45,720
Speaker 8: I tried to tell you.

2346
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:48,720
Speaker 6: How many times I got to say you were right.

2347
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:50,240
Speaker 8: I don't want to, you know, not even that.

2348
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:54,160
Speaker 3: I just, you know, just Dylan writes in probably my

2349
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:57,040
Speaker 3: worst take that I can remember is Nikhil Harry. I

2350
01:46:57,160 --> 01:46:58,719
Speaker 3: thought he was going to come in as a thousand

2351
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 3: yard receiver as a rookie, have a Mike Evans type

2352
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:04,720
Speaker 3: of career. Maybe my best take is thinking that Justin

2353
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:07,280
Speaker 3: Jefferson would be the best wide receiver in the NFL,

2354
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:10,080
Speaker 3: But I guess that's up for debate. I also feel

2355
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 3: the same way about Brian Thomas Junior, though, so maybe

2356
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:17,519
Speaker 3: I just like LSU wide receivers. So let's here everyone's

2357
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:19,720
Speaker 3: worst and best take they've had. It doesn't have to

2358
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:22,679
Speaker 3: be about the Patriots or about a player in the draft.

2359
01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:25,000
Speaker 3: It can be a free agent signing or trade, or

2360
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 3: even a coaching change. But a take that you had

2361
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:30,479
Speaker 3: that you nailed in something you look back at and

2362
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:31,680
Speaker 3: laugh how wrong you were.

2363
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:35,519
Speaker 5: I've said this one before, but I didn't want Dante

2364
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:37,120
Speaker 5: high Tower because I thought he was too much like

2365
01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:40,160
Speaker 5: Brandon Spikes. That that was a bad news take for sure.

2366
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:40,880
Speaker 3: In what way?

2367
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:44,200
Speaker 5: Well, we got a big, physical inside linebacker, you know,

2368
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:45,840
Speaker 5: I didn't realize, like, no, not like.

2369
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 6: Fred likes Brandon Spikes.

2370
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:48,439
Speaker 5: Do you like Spikes?

2371
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 3: What's that you?

2372
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:50,719
Speaker 5: Brandon Spikes?

2373
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 3: Oh he was a good guy.

2374
01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, he liked photos surfacing on the Internet of Brandon Spikes. Well,

2375
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:59,320
Speaker 6: it was a video makes you feel further proving that

2376
01:47:59,439 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 6: I never saw.

2377
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:03,560
Speaker 5: Now you'd be questioning your manhood for the rest of

2378
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:04,160
Speaker 5: I had.

2379
01:48:04,360 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 6: I had two guys coming out of drafts that I

2380
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:11,080
Speaker 6: really really liked, and they both sucked, Vernon Goldston and

2381
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:15,519
Speaker 6: Aaron Mabon. I really liked both of those guys, and

2382
01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:19,599
Speaker 6: ironically or coincidentally, I guess they went to AFC East

2383
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:21,200
Speaker 6: teams and were colossal buss.

2384
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 3: I guess I guess the worst take I've had was

2385
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:29,080
Speaker 3: Matt Patricia would be fine as an offensive cord.

2386
01:48:29,120 --> 01:48:31,519
Speaker 6: And I'm still going to give you slack for that.

2387
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:33,439
Speaker 6: Why because I don't think you really believed it.

2388
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:34,040
Speaker 2: No I did.

2389
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 12: No.

2390
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:36,600
Speaker 6: I honestly just talked yourself into No.

2391
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 3: I honestly did no.

2392
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:41,320
Speaker 6: I I thought Richard Seymour, I wanted to I wanted

2393
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:43,920
Speaker 6: David Terrell. So I famously said I was going to

2394
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:45,880
Speaker 6: resign when they after Richard Seamo.

2395
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:47,679
Speaker 5: I was also over twelve win seasons.

2396
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:52,160
Speaker 3: That was That was a bad take. Yeah, my good

2397
01:48:52,240 --> 01:48:54,559
Speaker 3: takes too long to list.

2398
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 6: Justin Jefferson would be one of yours, just one McConkie. Now,

2399
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:01,640
Speaker 6: there were a lot of guys that really I.

2400
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:04,560
Speaker 3: Mean, I was on Robbie Gould before anyone was on

2401
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:05,320
Speaker 3: Robbie Gould.

2402
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,280
Speaker 6: There were a lot of guys that get drafted that

2403
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:10,000
Speaker 6: you know, I've liked over the years and they turn

2404
01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:12,000
Speaker 6: out to be really good players. But that's boring. It's

2405
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:14,519
Speaker 6: more fun to talk about the guys like Vernon Goldston. Yeah,

2406
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 6: like I was all in on Vernon.

2407
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:20,479
Speaker 3: The list of guys is too long, But I know

2408
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:22,000
Speaker 3: you want to get a slack, but I don't know why.

2409
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:24,479
Speaker 6: I honestly believe I really don't think that you did well.

2410
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:25,640
Speaker 3: I'm telling you I did.

2411
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 6: But I think you're being magnanimous.

2412
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:30,920
Speaker 3: No, I'm not. I was wrong. I was wrong. I

2413
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:32,080
Speaker 3: was wrong.

2414
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:35,320
Speaker 8: I would say the worst. I was a big Trey

2415
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:40,080
Speaker 8: Lance guy, big Trey Lance guy. That one was bad.

2416
01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:43,160
Speaker 8: I still kind of believe a little bit in Trey Lance.

2417
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:44,040
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna lie. Still.

2418
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:46,559
Speaker 6: I have that a little bit with justin fields.

2419
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just like you never get a chance three games.

2420
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 5: In the last ten years.

2421
01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:54,599
Speaker 6: I would agree with you with Lance, He's never really

2422
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:56,160
Speaker 6: got a chance to play these fields.

2423
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 3: I'll give you another one. This is non football. But

2424
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:02,000
Speaker 3: I was probably the last guy in the planet who

2425
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:04,840
Speaker 3: thought that Lance Armstrong was clean.

2426
01:50:05,120 --> 01:50:09,240
Speaker 6: Oh yes, Andy used to torture Fred about that.

2427
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:12,479
Speaker 3: Really, It's like, there's no way all the cancer stuff

2428
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 3: he does is no way he would do that. I

2429
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:16,280
Speaker 3: was the last guy.

2430
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 5: Guy.

2431
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, in fairness, and in fairness, Indy and Paul

2432
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:24,919
Speaker 6: doubt everybody.

2433
01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:26,680
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's we had to be right.

2434
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 6: Once in a while.

2435
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,920
Speaker 3: There was a guy here who was a big guy,

2436
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:33,920
Speaker 3: and he sat next to Andy's cube, and like Andy

2437
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:36,360
Speaker 3: would torture him, you know, go to stir of the steroids,

2438
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:39,320
Speaker 3: and finally the guy snapped out at him, like what

2439
01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:41,240
Speaker 3: did he say? And he shut that f up.

2440
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 6: They didn't talk for a long time.

2441
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Andy and Andy shut up.

2442
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:49,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, guy was twice aside of Yeah, that was.

2443
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:52,479
Speaker 3: Funny that day. There was a lot and he would

2444
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:55,240
Speaker 3: sit at the like the way the cubes were. Andy

2445
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:57,439
Speaker 3: was like at a crossroads, so like there was an

2446
01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:00,200
Speaker 3: aisle here in an aisle there, like a t there

2447
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:01,960
Speaker 3: was a lot of traffic and you know, he sat

2448
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:04,080
Speaker 3: right at the end there. The chatter that would come

2449
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:07,200
Speaker 3: out of just his cube all day long. He never

2450
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 3: shut up. He never shut up.

2451
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:17,400
Speaker 6: And was a He's a born troublemaker.

2452
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:21,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, he's what my great aunt would say,

2453
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:22,760
Speaker 3: an imp. He's an MP.

2454
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not sure familiar with that thing for me.

2455
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:29,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what I thought.

2456
01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:34,160
Speaker 3: Kelly and salt Lake right saying, is Travis Hunter on

2457
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:37,840
Speaker 3: the same level as Gonzo being a corner. If he's

2458
01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 3: not a wide receiver, If Gonzo can't slow down a

2459
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 3: top receiver, the Patriots aren't stopping them.

2460
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:45,880
Speaker 5: It's a little, well not that much smaller, really, I.

2461
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:49,880
Speaker 3: Think I think I think Gonzo is a good technician

2462
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:54,599
Speaker 3: and a graceful corner. I think that Travis Hunter has

2463
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:59,439
Speaker 3: has that Darrell Reeves, Deon Sanders type of thing in

2464
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:02,200
Speaker 3: him with, you know, just that ability to make up

2465
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:06,519
Speaker 3: space instincts, you know, vision of the field, knowing way

2466
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:10,040
Speaker 3: to when to come off his receiver. He's got that.

2467
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 8: I would say that I love Gonzo.

2468
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:15,760
Speaker 3: Everyone knows that.

2469
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:19,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, Travis Hunter is definitely a better cornerback prospect than

2470
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:23,679
Speaker 8: Gonzo was. Just a natural ability his ball howking skills

2471
01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:27,599
Speaker 8: playmaker watch more of a playmaker special?

2472
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:31,280
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, special athletes just fun to watch and even

2473
01:52:31,439 --> 01:52:34,320
Speaker 5: just move like how smooth they are and graceful. But

2474
01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:36,160
Speaker 5: I totally that's exactly what I was going to say.

2475
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:40,439
Speaker 8: Ball skills Travis Hunter is uh, you know, I always

2476
01:52:40,479 --> 01:52:43,599
Speaker 8: hate using the word generational, but like he's he's special.

2477
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:46,880
Speaker 8: Every five years, maybe you have a prospect like Travis

2478
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 8: Hunter at corner you know he's really really good.

2479
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and but we don't talk about him really that

2480
01:52:52,160 --> 01:52:54,320
Speaker 3: way at wide receivers. So I don't understand why some

2481
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:56,200
Speaker 3: people are saying he's a better wide receiver than he

2482
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:57,200
Speaker 3: is a cornerback.

2483
01:52:57,600 --> 01:53:00,000
Speaker 8: Well, because his ball skills and the way he plays

2484
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:02,240
Speaker 8: the football in the air is just so good that

2485
01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:05,360
Speaker 8: he makes a lot of contested catches the size that

2486
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:08,240
Speaker 8: you wouldn't expect, So his hands are just magnets.

2487
01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:11,240
Speaker 6: And maybe people are looking at it like Andrew Berry said,

2488
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:12,800
Speaker 6: like why wouldn't you want to get the ball in

2489
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:15,840
Speaker 6: the guy's hands ten times? And maybe he's not as

2490
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:17,800
Speaker 6: good a wide receiver as he as a cornerback, but

2491
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:20,759
Speaker 6: wide receivers are more valuable.

2492
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, it's true. I don't know that that might

2493
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:28,360
Speaker 3: be why I'm just uh Longino from Jersey writes in

2494
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:31,240
Speaker 3: I just want to say to Evan if you heard

2495
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:34,639
Speaker 3: the things being said about him last week, but I'm

2496
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:38,320
Speaker 3: I'm team boneless. I don't mind eating wings, but boneless

2497
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:41,639
Speaker 3: is just easier to eat, and it's just as flavorable. Evan.

2498
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:44,160
Speaker 3: They said to stop talking non football takes, and your

2499
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:47,800
Speaker 3: takes are bad, but I disagree. You're they're unexpected and

2500
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:51,240
Speaker 3: love the bicker between you and Paul, So continue voicing

2501
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 3: your opinion. Don't let them silence you. It's not It's

2502
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:58,040
Speaker 3: not a matter of boneless wings not tasting good. They're

2503
01:53:58,120 --> 01:53:59,960
Speaker 3: not boneless wings. They're chicken. Nugget.

2504
01:54:00,160 --> 01:54:02,280
Speaker 6: Then they don't taste as good as chicken wings. Well

2505
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:02,639
Speaker 6: they don't.

2506
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:04,920
Speaker 3: They have a different taste. It's a different They taste great,

2507
01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:06,200
Speaker 3: but it's different.

2508
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:09,320
Speaker 8: I didn't realize that this was so polarizing something.

2509
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:11,639
Speaker 6: The pain thing is, this didn't come up last week.

2510
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:15,519
Speaker 6: It was about your take Colin the old Canseco field House.

2511
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:18,280
Speaker 6: What's it called out game Bridge. Oh yeah, you called

2512
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:20,800
Speaker 6: that the barn. And it's not called the not the bar.

2513
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:26,000
Speaker 3: But we had somebody who, yes, somebody who said it's Butler,

2514
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:28,800
Speaker 3: but it's it's Minnesota.

2515
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:32,280
Speaker 6: And I said, when someone said Butler last week that

2516
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:34,720
Speaker 6: I've been to Hincklefield House and I don't remember anybody

2517
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:35,520
Speaker 6: calling at the barn.

2518
01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:35,840
Speaker 3: Right.

2519
01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:38,960
Speaker 8: I'm so sorry. I'm not familiar with university.

2520
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:44,600
Speaker 6: We call hockeys. He adds to the that's a great

2521
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:47,440
Speaker 6: that's a great barn bar, great barn bar.

2522
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:50,200
Speaker 8: I all I know is I a lot of last week.

2523
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:51,520
Speaker 6: Apparently you did catch a lot.

2524
01:54:51,480 --> 01:54:53,880
Speaker 5: Of some defenders. Though I watched the clip they clipped

2525
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:54,880
Speaker 5: off one that I didn't.

2526
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:56,800
Speaker 8: I didn't appreciate some of the things in that clip.

2527
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,440
Speaker 6: Oh I did. I was I was tossing kerosene on it.

2528
01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:03,280
Speaker 8: Well there, I have enough time for me.

2529
01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:06,000
Speaker 6: But boneless do not taste the same. They taste fine.

2530
01:55:06,160 --> 01:55:08,360
Speaker 6: That's you know, it's a perfectly good substitute.

2531
01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:11,720
Speaker 5: Would just graduate the boneless eating experience a little more.

2532
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:14,800
Speaker 5: I don't like getting the grist and get around it.

2533
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:16,760
Speaker 5: And I always feel like I didn't get enough meat

2534
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:18,680
Speaker 5: off the bone. You know, it's I'm leaving too much.

2535
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:21,200
Speaker 3: It's a different experience and it doesn't taste the same.

2536
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:24,200
Speaker 5: No, And I'm willing to just you know, I just

2537
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:25,840
Speaker 5: want to deliver the buffalo and blue cheese.

2538
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:27,920
Speaker 3: But I'm a flat skuy when it comes to bone in.

2539
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:31,520
Speaker 3: I like the flats better than the drumstick. It's like

2540
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:33,000
Speaker 3: I think the meat is better.

2541
01:55:33,120 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I like them both equally.

2542
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:37,160
Speaker 5: You just do the old like suck it right off

2543
01:55:37,240 --> 01:55:40,880
Speaker 5: and just what's that? Well, there are people that pull buffalo,

2544
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:43,720
Speaker 5: you know, the flats. You can just all that's left

2545
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:46,080
Speaker 5: is like two bones and the and the and the

2546
01:55:46,280 --> 01:55:48,600
Speaker 5: and the cartilage around it, and like, well, you know what,

2547
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:51,040
Speaker 5: it addresses my thing, and I'll feeling like I get

2548
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:51,440
Speaker 5: all the meat.

2549
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:53,000
Speaker 6: You never hate it like that, did you?

2550
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:53,200
Speaker 7: No?

2551
01:55:53,320 --> 01:55:55,280
Speaker 5: I would never even attempt that. That's too like that,

2552
01:55:57,320 --> 01:55:59,400
Speaker 5: just pull it right out right and then they just pop,

2553
01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:01,240
Speaker 5: you know, and then it's like a boneless tender.

2554
01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:06,080
Speaker 3: We'll lend the show with a child, I know, we'll

2555
01:56:06,120 --> 01:56:09,200
Speaker 3: lend the show with another. Will Campbell arm length email?

2556
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:11,640
Speaker 3: This is from Ron. Wait a minute, I got to

2557
01:56:11,680 --> 01:56:14,960
Speaker 3: go to Eldred. He's been holding on. I'm sorry, sorry, Aldred,

2558
01:56:15,080 --> 01:56:16,760
Speaker 3: let me get to you. What's up, Eldred?

2559
01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:20,000
Speaker 6: Oh my bad?

2560
01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:20,840
Speaker 3: He didn't hold on?

2561
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:21,720
Speaker 2: My bad?

2562
01:56:22,440 --> 01:56:22,920
Speaker 3: Pulled over.

2563
01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:24,480
Speaker 6: You did say you're going to end the show?

2564
01:56:24,680 --> 01:56:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2565
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:30,360
Speaker 3: Ron and Conway, New Hampshire. In short, I say I

2566
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:34,160
Speaker 3: was destroyed about Campbell's arm length. That's an understatement, however,

2567
01:56:34,760 --> 01:56:36,880
Speaker 3: being that I work in a machine shop every day

2568
01:56:36,920 --> 01:56:40,160
Speaker 3: and use every measuring device known when I'm not giving

2569
01:56:40,440 --> 01:56:44,120
Speaker 3: uh giving with my band, I don't know what that means.

2570
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:46,600
Speaker 3: Maybe he's in a band to measure with. I literally

2571
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:50,560
Speaker 3: measured the undersized measurements of Campbell. The difference of the

2572
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:54,080
Speaker 3: League standards of thirty three inches and Campbell's length is

2573
01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:59,160
Speaker 3: literally the thickness of a pencil erasure plus to mension thickness. Wow.

2574
01:56:59,880 --> 01:57:03,720
Speaker 3: I to believe that he's now undervalued or has lack

2575
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:06,760
Speaker 3: of talent to do the job at left tackle. In

2576
01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:10,000
Speaker 3: my opinion, that's freaking crazy as far as value. I'm

2577
01:57:10,040 --> 01:57:13,440
Speaker 3: not an economics major, but Jesus, he's valued just fine.

2578
01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:17,080
Speaker 3: I wish everyone would stop the negative nitpicking of him

2579
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:19,720
Speaker 3: and draft him, no matter if it's drafting for a

2580
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:22,000
Speaker 3: need or not. We need to face the facts that

2581
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:25,200
Speaker 3: free agents aren't coming here for various reasons until we

2582
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:28,480
Speaker 3: start winning again. Just my opinion, and I'm a nobody.

2583
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:31,280
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. Welcome back, Evan induced You guys were

2584
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:32,360
Speaker 3: great during the combine.

2585
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:32,840
Speaker 8: Thank you.

2586
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 3: I don't mean to, but so it is the needs

2587
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:39,720
Speaker 3: so great that you overlooked us the four rights of

2588
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:41,160
Speaker 3: an inch and you take I.

2589
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:44,720
Speaker 6: Don't understand why people. If you think it's not an issue,

2590
01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:48,520
Speaker 6: then draft him. That's fine. But I don't understand why

2591
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Speaker 6: people can't figure this out. The league thinks it's an issue.

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01:57:53,240 --> 01:57:55,400
Speaker 6: The league get large. There's six guys out of how

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01:57:55,440 --> 01:57:59,000
Speaker 6: many even there your tweet, sixty sixty seven guys have

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01:57:59,120 --> 01:58:03,280
Speaker 6: played a certain on a snap. Five six have arms

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01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:06,880
Speaker 6: that are shorter than thirty three inches. Am I to

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01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:10,520
Speaker 6: believe that that's not an issue when it's that kind

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01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:13,200
Speaker 6: of a ratio, When fewer than ten percent of the

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01:58:13,240 --> 01:58:16,240
Speaker 6: players that played five hundred snaps have arms that I

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01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:18,680
Speaker 6: have to and out of those, Campbell's arms are on

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01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:19,440
Speaker 6: the short side.

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Speaker 7: I know.

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Speaker 3: But of those six people, do they have what Campbell

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01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 3: has in terms of his athleticism and all that?

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01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:25,360
Speaker 6: Why not?

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01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:26,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:58:26,200 --> 01:58:26,880
Speaker 8: It's a fair question.

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01:58:26,920 --> 01:58:27,720
Speaker 3: I don't know who they are.

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01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:30,920
Speaker 6: But like, athleticism isn't the number one thing I'd look

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01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:31,480
Speaker 6: for for an off.

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01:58:31,600 --> 01:58:33,600
Speaker 3: Can he make up for the fact that his arms

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01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:34,000
Speaker 3: are shorter?

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01:58:34,280 --> 01:58:36,320
Speaker 6: And my guess is the NFL is telling you no,

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01:58:37,360 --> 01:58:40,080
Speaker 6: I don't know. That's my guess based on the reaction

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01:58:40,680 --> 01:58:43,480
Speaker 6: that came from Sunday afternoon. My guess is you can

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01:58:43,560 --> 01:58:46,720
Speaker 6: cross him off the tackle list. Okay, Now, if someone

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01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:49,680
Speaker 6: takes him and he plays tackle, good for you you

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01:58:50,040 --> 01:58:51,920
Speaker 6: you were bold enough to do it. I don't know

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01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:54,560
Speaker 6: that the pagerot's in a position to make that dice roll.

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01:58:54,880 --> 01:58:55,920
Speaker 3: That's why we need Dante.

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01:58:56,240 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 8: That's why, like whether it's.

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01:58:57,480 --> 01:58:59,640
Speaker 6: Fills a neither or not, it would scare the crap

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01:58:59,720 --> 01:59:01,520
Speaker 6: out of me that I'm going to take a guy

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01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:03,320
Speaker 6: who might not be able to play the position I'm

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01:59:03,320 --> 01:59:03,760
Speaker 6: taking him for.

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Speaker 8: That's what it comes down to, is are you the

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01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:07,800
Speaker 8: team that can afford the gamble?

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01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:08,120
Speaker 3: Right?

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01:59:08,640 --> 01:59:11,400
Speaker 8: And I think you know if you're a different position,

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01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:13,560
Speaker 8: if you're a team that you know happens to have

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01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:15,840
Speaker 8: a top ten pick but had a great record last year,

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01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:17,720
Speaker 8: and you feel comfortable with the rest of your roster,

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01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:22,360
Speaker 8: and you're just grabbing the talent like that's one thing, right.

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01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:25,640
Speaker 8: He needs to be a cornerstone franchise left tackle for

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01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:26,040
Speaker 8: the page.

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Speaker 6: And again, I just want to state, because I don't

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01:59:27,680 --> 01:59:29,400
Speaker 6: want this to come back and bite me someday. This

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01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:32,160
Speaker 6: is not my take. This is the NFL's take, right.

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01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:35,480
Speaker 6: I don't know enough about offensive line play to know

2639
01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:39,440
Speaker 6: that that eraser size makes a difference, but evidently those

2640
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:42,240
Speaker 6: that do know this stuff believe it does.

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01:59:43,840 --> 01:59:46,880
Speaker 3: Dana, Virginia and Michigan. Of all the odd things that

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01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:50,320
Speaker 3: Fred and Paul have argued about, this almost argument, with

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01:59:50,440 --> 01:59:52,680
Speaker 3: Paul saying Fred was right and Fred adamant that he

2644
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:54,760
Speaker 3: was wrong, it is perhaps the most unexpected.

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01:59:54,880 --> 01:59:59,400
Speaker 6: It's unsettling. I still think you're being mad, you know,

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01:59:59,680 --> 02:00:02,360
Speaker 6: I'm you wanted to You played the role as you

2647
02:00:02,520 --> 02:00:05,160
Speaker 6: often do on this show of the Beacon of Hope.

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02:00:05,240 --> 02:00:07,800
Speaker 3: I know, but I was dead serious. It came back

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02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:09,640
Speaker 3: and I was dead serious, and I was wrong. I

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02:00:09,680 --> 02:00:11,560
Speaker 3: can admit when I'm wrong. All Right, that's gonna be

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02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:14,840
Speaker 3: it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be back

2652
02:00:15,320 --> 02:00:18,840
Speaker 3: on Thursday, when is Catch twenty two this tomorrow and

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02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:19,760
Speaker 3: Barth is back.

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02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:23,040
Speaker 8: Barth is back. I don't know if they make him

2655
02:00:23,080 --> 02:00:25,280
Speaker 8: walk back. I don't know if he's alive. No, I

2656
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:25,920
Speaker 8: know he's alive.

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02:00:26,040 --> 02:00:27,600
Speaker 3: So that's going to be a big show tomorrow. The

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02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:30,560
Speaker 3: two of you wrap combine, wrap up the combine. Oh

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02:00:30,680 --> 02:00:30,960
Speaker 3: my god.

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02:00:31,080 --> 02:00:33,160
Speaker 8: We haven't really talked about free agency a whole lot

2661
02:00:33,200 --> 02:00:35,440
Speaker 8: because we've just been all draft. So we'll have some

2662
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:36,720
Speaker 8: free agency takes as well.

2663
02:00:37,480 --> 02:00:38,600
Speaker 3: What's Boss War's take?

2664
02:00:38,680 --> 02:00:42,280
Speaker 8: Ever, I don't know, there's too many.

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02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:46,560
Speaker 6: Wow, Buffalo was done. I heard Josh Allen.

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02:00:46,760 --> 02:00:49,000
Speaker 8: I would say Josh again, Yeah he was.

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02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:51,320
Speaker 6: Josh Allen stinks is a lot of people, a lot

2668
02:00:51,400 --> 02:00:54,400
Speaker 6: of people, and that's one of that's one of that

2669
02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:56,320
Speaker 6: I would put on the positive side that I was

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02:00:57,000 --> 02:00:59,920
Speaker 6: on board the Josh Josh Allen or lamar Ja.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. It wasn't big on either one of those guys.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I tried to tell them okay, all right, Well,

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02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:10,080
Speaker 3: we'll look forward to Catch twenty two on tomorrow and

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02:01:10,200 --> 02:01:12,760
Speaker 3: we will see you on Patriots Unfiltered on Thursday.

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