WEBVTT - 11: At Four O’Clock 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:13.440 Yeah novel. A listener note. This episode contains violence and 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:17.480 content that some listeners might find distressing, including references to 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:27.040 child abuse. Previously on deliver Us from Herbal. I think 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.200 by the time hervill had died, I knew it really 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:33.879 wasn't over, because with such an unstable group founded on 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.360 such erroneous principles, you never really know what to expect. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.360 I'm Gabrielle Little Baron, and my father is irvil LeBaron. 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.280 This is the book of the New Covenant. It's a 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:49.440 manifesto of irvill Le Baron. Coult wasn't even a word 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:52.800 reknew of. And we call ourselves the mafia. Right, So 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:56.640 the mafia breaks apart. One team goes against the other team. 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.240 Heber felt he had screwed up so bad. He gave 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:03.240 the authority to next brother in line, Aaron. This is 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.080 God's law, we have to do it. There were some 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:10.680 threats made against Dan Jordan's What of our lifelong dreams 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.639 was to get our siblings who were under Dan's spell 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:22.280 an Dan goes off to do his business, drops his drawers, 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.440 and two people walk up and shoe in their head 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:31.160 in the chest of the nine millimeter weapon. No one 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:36.039 seemed phase that a murder had occard. And my afterthought 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.559 on that is, I mean, murder was sort of a 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.759 of a natural thing with these folks, and different people 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.520 would pray. We had this thing we called a solemn 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.440 assembly where each person in that circle would say their prayer. 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:52.520 I'm just trying to imagine what would the prayers be like. 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.440 They would be specifically about the killings. Yes, and they 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:01.280 were trying to decide location and when where. I just 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.120 know the feeling of the meeting. It was all like, 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:15.160 of course, very ominous. It was June when Lucy finally 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.359 convinced her dad to let her join him in the 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:23.480 United States. I'm originally from Venezuela. I'm a six daughter 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:27.480 of a family of nine. Like so many migrants who 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:31.760 uproot their lives to cross borders, Lucy's dad's journey to 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:37.040 America wasn't just some grand adventure. My father was struggling 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:43.040 economically back in nineteen eighty seven, so he came and 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:47.120 left mom and all of us in Venezuela. Ever since 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.480 he arrived in Houston, Lucy had wanted to join him. 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.959 He seemed to have made quick work of securing his 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.720 steady income, who were so excited when he found a 0:02:55.800 --> 0:03:01.240 job and he told us that his boss kids and 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.240 it was a very good man. Lucy was nineteen, and 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:07.680 since her dad had settled in America so quickly, she 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:11.360 thought why not her too? The time was right for 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.080 her to make the trip. I remember asking him all 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.040 the time, Oh, I want to go send for me, 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.639 and he was like, no, because she's going to school 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.280 and and I was like, yeah, but I want to 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:26.240 learn English, and so he said, okay, Well, let me 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.560 think about it. And she didn't have to wait long 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.840 because her dad's boss had another job, opening a nanny 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.840 for his four girls. He lost his babysitter and he 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.880 needed to find a sater to watch them. When he 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.760 was at work at the appliance business, he ran, I said, 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:44.600 I'll do it. I'll do it as send for me. 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:49.120 And he told me, okay, we'll get your visa ready. 0:03:50.760 --> 0:04:01.320 So I did. Lucy arrived in the US. It was 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.720 to be the start of a whirlwind romance. Lucy's boss 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.920 was a man named Dwayne, recently divorced his wife out 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.160 of the picture. He ran his business fixing up and 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:17.039 selling appliances in Houston with help from his mother and 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:21.880 a couple of employees, including Lucy's dad. He'd set it 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.760 up when he moved to the Houston area in and 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:31.280 by this point in business was booming. That's why he 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:35.320 needed and could afford help with his children. But those 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:39.440 kids with a busy single dad, they needed more than 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:44.599 a babysitter. I just became any medium mom to four 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:50.919 of his gets four girls. The more time Lucy spent 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.760 with Dwayne, the more she found things about him that 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:58.359 she liked. He was introvert, but once you get to 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.840 know him, he had such a assist a humor, and 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:06.920 he was awesome. Dad loved loved his girls so much, 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:13.320 and he was just amazing, really handsome, So it was 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:16.279 not hard for me to fall for somebody like back. 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:23.520 He was like my friends. Shortly after Lucy turned twenty, 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.760 she was out with Duyne on a job to pick 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:30.760 up a washing machine. We're driving and he said, would 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:39.080 you marry me? And I was like yes. Given the 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:42.600 speed of their romance, Lucy hadn't had time to learn 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.560 much about Joanne's background, but she was already so close 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.800 to his kids, and she met his mom, Tholma, who 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:54.840 helped out sometimes running the family business. Once they were married, 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:58.520 Dwayne began opening up more about his life, his past, 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.839 introducing lou See two more of his family members and 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.720 some of his friends. On our honeymoon, we did take 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.080 a little few days off and on a honeymoon and 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.720 we went to the Hill Country. We met his sister 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:22.159 and her family, Ria Rina China, Joyne's sister. She was 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:25.800 super nice, super sweet to me, and we immediately just 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:30.640 you know, had a connection and we were a sweet 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:37.719 And then months later I met Mark marchin Off, Joyne's brother, 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:42.560 and then I met ed one day in Dallas. This 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:46.359 was Joyne's best friend, Eddie Marston, met him and his 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:50.160 girlfriend and even went to a Dallas Cowboy game. His 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:57.679 son an awesome person, Thelma, Eddie Marston, Mark and Riena 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:04.159 chanof the significan people in Joyne's life. But when it 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:10.720 came to actual details about his past, remember him showing 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.680 me a book of Moment and telling me a little 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:17.560 bit about, you know, the story behind the Book of Moment. 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:22.000 But he really wouldn't want any religion in his life. 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.960 I didn't know why he said to me that, you know, 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.840 past his past, he really wanted to put that past behind. 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.240 So it was something He really didn't even want to 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.960 bring up remember or anything like that. He just he 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:42.720 was done with that. You know, I don't blame him 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.679 because he drew it as a dark part of his life, 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.520 So I don't blame him. I just feel like I 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:52.760 didn't want that to be if something that got in 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.560 between us little He knew what was going to happen, 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.880 and he wanted to start a new life and you know, forget. 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:07.240 And I don't blame Jayne either, at least when it 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:13.720 comes to wanting to forget his past. He was just 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.920 nine years old when his family converted into Evil's Church. 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:21.000 Just like his sister Rena and his brother Mark, he 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:25.400 had little choice about entering into it. His parents, Thelma 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:30.160 and Bud, made that decision for their kids. Joyne was 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.280 seventeen years old when he and his brother Mark and 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:39.040 his best friend Eddie attacked Los Molino's indiscriminately shooting residents 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:43.000 as they ran from their burning homes and terror. I 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:47.640 can imagine they'd want to forget that night. Or when 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:52.000 Dwayne was just eighteen and he strangled to death the 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:56.520 pregnant Becky LeBaron holding the ligature together with nineteen year 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:00.760 old Eddie and leaving Becky LeBaron's body in an unmarked 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.960 grave in the forest. I'd want to forget all that. 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:11.840 I often wish I'd never learned about it. But when 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:16.160 I try to picture Eddie Marston, March Sanath, and Duyne Shana, 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:22.240 I don't know. Did they actually believe they could simply 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:27.000 move on, that their cult life was now behind them 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.400 when they abandoned Hervill's church as he sat in a 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:36.000 prison cell in and they walked toward new lives in Texas, 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.440 Or did they really, in their heart of hearts no, 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:45.600 that this wasn't over, that it would all come tearing 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:59.600 back into their lives eventually. Because if they did, if 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:03.320 they had even the smallest inkling that any of the 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.880 things they did in the name of Hervil le Baron 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:10.120 might come back to haunt them, then surely they would 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.440 have thought about the people who might get caught up 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:16.240 in their past, those who surrounded them in their new lives, 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:23.000 the people they loved, like Lucy or Joyne's kids, who 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.719 all had absolutely no idea about the lives they lived out. 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:32.440 Just a decade before, Eddie Marston and Mark and Dwayne 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:36.360 Shannath had belonged to a cult that would never let 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:40.280 them go. Their names were written in the Book of 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:46.040 the New Covenant, and one day their past would eventually 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:56.600 track them down. From the teams at Novel and I 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:01.760 Heart Radio, this is deliver Us from Herville, episode eleven 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:11.840 at four o'clock. If there was one thing that brought 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:15.720 Dwayne and Lucy together so quickly, it was the kids. 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.920 The children were the reason they met, of course, but 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.600 it was more than that. He was a very family 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.959 oriented person and so was I. So that was kind 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:30.520 of like a bond we had. The kids were a 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:36.080 shared priority, and they both adored them. Really awesome, awesome kids. 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.920 They had door their dad, and you know, they spent 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.800 a lot of time with him. Lucy came to love 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:47.240 all the kids. They were just good and sweet and 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:52.880 full of energy, and it was just so nice and 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.959 loving and it was a very positive experience. But some 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:02.760 needed her attention more than others, as actially little Jenny, Jenny, 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:06.880 she was just she got teased a lot from her 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:11.360 brother's you know, typical siblings, but she she was just 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.760 so loving and even though they got into little fight 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:19.520 and arguments, she always just loved them let them back 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:26.880 no matter what. She was sweet, adorable girl. Um, she's just, 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:32.880 you know, a typical eight year old, curious and excited 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:41.240 about life. June was a nice summer day in Houston, 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.760 not too hot. That morning, the phone rang at Dwayne 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:50.920 China's appliance repair shop. Joyne was out on a delivery, 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:55.240 so his mother, Thelma picked up. The caller identified himself 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:59.400 as Terry Phillips. He was moving from Houston and had 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:03.319 a used washer he wanted to sell. Thelma wrote down 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:08.200 the name and address. Did it seem strange to Thelma 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.719 that the address was on Rena Street, the same name 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:18.320 as her daughter? Maybe? Maybe not? Either way, she told 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.080 Mr Phillips her son Dwayne would come and pick the 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.920 washer up later that afternoon. Would he need help with 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:29.840 the machine? No, it was fine, He'd handle it alone. 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:36.640 The price offered for the machine was just seventy It 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:42.920 was low, suspiciously low in retrospect. Had Thelma called back 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:47.000 to check if that price was actually right, the number 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:52.440 would have rung and rung. The call had come from 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.240 a pay phone at a gas station. There was no 0:13:55.480 --> 0:14:00.200 Terry Phillips. At some point after hanging up, who ever 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.199 had made the call had glued the phone's receiver to 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.560 the cradle so no one could pick it up, just 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.520 in case someone did call back to talk to Mr 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:15.439 Terry Phillips. At around the same time, five miles north, 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.320 the phone rang at Ed's Appliances and Irving, a suburb 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.920 just west of Dallas. A guy on the line named 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.960 Perry Wilson said he wanted to sell a used washer. 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.720 Eddie Marston agreed on a price and wrote down the 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.920 name and number and time to pick it up. If 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.720 he would have called back, the phone would have rang 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:42.000 and rang, because again there was no Perry Wilson. The 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:43.960 call had been made from a pay phone at a 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:48.000 convenience store, and now it's receiver was also super glued 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:54.280 to the cradle. That afternoon, back in Houston, Mark China 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.760 was kicking back in an office chair at the business 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:03.760 he ran Reliance Appliances. You guessed it washers and dryers, 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:08.240 the family trade. I picture him with his feet up 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:11.200 on the desk because he waited for customers or for 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:15.240 the phone to ring. And I wonder did he hear 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:19.640 the tires on the asphalt outside or the car pulling 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:23.280 up to the storefront. Did he glimpse the outlines, the 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:27.800 figures outside the shop window the profiles of three of 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:31.840 hervill La Baron's children, as they sat inside the approaching 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:41.480 car in their disguises. Meanwhile, a fifteen minute drive across town, 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.680 Dwayne Shannath was about to get in his truck to 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:48.640 collect the cheap washer and dryer. He was supposed to 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.560 go alone, but there was a last minute change of plans. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.680 Jenny was struggling with her reading. The teacher said that 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:00.720 she needed to practice for reading, so he would take her. 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:03.440 Will leave me with the other kids at the store 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.160 and would take her with him so she could read 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.720 to him while he's working and she could practice her reading. 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.720 And that's what happened that day. A little before four pm, 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.400 Dwayne and Jenny got in the truck and set off 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:21.920 for Arena Street. Lucy would never see either of them again. 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:33.160 Standing on Rena Street, about twenty miles from downtown Houston, 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:38.560 the first thing you notice is how normal the area is. 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:44.080 There's a suburban tranquility to it, well tended lawns, there's 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.800 an American flag waving at a house across the street, 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:53.440 some pumpkins left over from Halloween, big magnolia trees. It's 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:57.280 a solidly middle class neighborhood, and considering what happened here, 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.480 there's sort of an eerie quality to it, just how 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:10.800 placid and calm it is. Monday, jun the three bedroom 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:16.880 brick house in front of me was vacant today. It's 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.840 an odd house on this street. It sort of stands 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.919 out for how it has an unkempt kind of wild feel. 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.639 At just before four o'clock, Duyne Schinov pulled up to 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.840 that house on Rena Street, but no one seemed to 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:41.360 be home. If Jayne had got out and asked a neighbor, 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:43.679 they would have told him the house had been empty 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:47.440 for a year. There had been a four cell sign 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:51.919 up until earlier that day. Someone had moved it that morning. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.080 Duyne wanted to get back home and was just backing 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.840 up the driveway to leave when a black Silverado truck 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:07.000 came barreling down the street, blocking Duane in the truck 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:11.040 driver had short blonde hair. In the passenger seat sat 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.679 someone in a business suit with a strawberry blonde beard. 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:18.359 The person in the business suit got out of the truck, 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.080 Dwayne stepped from the cab of his GMC pick up. 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.760 They exchanged a few brief words and then the man 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.240 in the business suit pulled a three fifty seven magnum 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.480 from a shoulder holster beneath his suit coat. He then 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.720 looked up into the cab and noticed the little girl. 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:50.000 It was four o'clock. Back across town at Reliance Appliances, 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.200 Mark Snath was still sitting in that swivel chair at 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:57.720 his desk, but now he had bullet holes across his 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:01.280 face and chest, and as spreading pool of blood at 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.960 his feet. He had just been shot at four o'clock 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:11.919 to seconds before. In Dallas, Eddie Marston had been backing 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.520 his pickup into the driveway of a home on the 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.560 west side of town when a dark pickup blocked him in. 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.800 A gunman emerged, shooting Eddie in the head and chest 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:29.680 four o'clock. Within just four minutes of each other, four 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:35.200 people were dead, all glory to the Kingdom of God. 0:19:39.960 --> 0:20:07.960 More after the break, we are in Huntsville, which is 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:15.040 roughly an hour in twenty minutes north of Houston, through 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:20.280 a pretty wooded green part of Texas, sort of forested 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:27.520 tall trees. We are on our way to meet with 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:40.159 retired detective John Burmeister. John, are you doing, Jesse? How 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:48.639 are you I'm gonna expected you. I like how the 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.720 horses they are able to just wander around the yard. 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:59.440 That's nice. Ship everywhere. Shut up, doll. We're an hour 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.639 roughly from downtown to Houston, but it feels like a 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:09.720 world away. Cowboy hats the gas station pasture horseship. John 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:14.000 Burmeister spent twenty five years as a Houston homicide detective. 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.000 We can gather up some volun chambers and sit in 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:20.200 the sun. How it sounds great. We're doing the interview 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:23.000 outside in his front yard to not disturb his wife, 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:26.520 who was inside sick the day we arrive. Occasionally a 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.160 farm truck passes by at the end of his driveway. 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:34.520 John is a large man, big broad shoulders, big hands, 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.159 white hair, and the way he looks at you, you 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:41.840 immediately get the sense this is a man not to 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.840 be fucked with. Kind of looks like Santa gone bad. 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:49.800 In the nineteen eighties, when John was working homicides, Houston 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.920 was booming. It was a pretty busy time for us. 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:58.160 We were probably having about five hundred plus homicides a year. 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:00.840 I was on the evening shift. All has had been 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:05.919 and uh, the evening shift comes in. It's toward the midnight, 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:10.440 and you basically if a scene comes in, if there's 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:13.680 a homicide, the patrol unit that gets the initial call 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.520 figures out, yeah, we need to do some investigating on 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:18.840 this one, and they call the office and the supervisor 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:24.879 decides who's going out. Un John remembers he was working 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:27.480 the night shift. He had just got in and was 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:30.600 doing some paperwork when he got the call. We had 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:33.080 no idea what we were. Well, we were getting to 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:37.200 there's two scenes dropped at the same time, and uh 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:39.960 that this lieutenant got the word that the two might 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:42.920 be related. My partner and I went out on one 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:46.159 and another team went out on the other. John was 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:49.720 headed to Arena Street. His lieutenant didn't tell him much. 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:55.399 The suspects were unknown. When John arrived at the scene, 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.920 crowds had already gathered. Cops had roped off the crime 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:02.360 scene with yellow tape. Yeah, the streets were failed with lookers, 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:08.360 you know, nosy folks. It was kind of chaotic. There 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:10.480 was a lot of blue suits, a lot of uniforms 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:16.160 offers there. There wasn't much of a scene to be preserved, 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.640 and uh, the officers that made the original call were 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:22.439 doing the best they could to preach or of what 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:25.639 that was. But everything was kind of within ten foot 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:29.760 of the pickup truck standing on Rena Street. John walked 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.440 over to get a closer look at the truck piece 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:36.440 together what might have happened. I'll warn you this next 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:39.720 piece of tape is very hard to listen. To skip 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:42.160 ahead about a minute and a half if you'd rather 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:45.399 not listen. The first thing I know, there was a 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:49.720 blood leaking out of the truck, and uh, I walked 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:54.080 to the passenger side, and I remember a little girl 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:58.639 being slumped over in the front seat. And it was 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:03.800 afternoon and the the sun wasn't high up in the sky, 0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:09.880 and the light was shining through the truck. The sunlight 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:14.479 was shining through the truck, and uh, you could actually 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:18.119 see light coming through the little girl's skull from the 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:21.399 entrance to the exit. And that was that was the 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:25.000 serious thing I've seen all my life. And it just 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:29.919 it just was kind of an emotional moment there for 0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:33.400 a little while. What did you feel in that moment? Well, 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:40.560 I thought about my little girls, and uh, you know, 0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:47.119 keep thinking who would do something like that? And I 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.920 never could believe that somebody would actually target a little 0:24:50.920 --> 0:25:00.920 girl like that. Moving away from the crime scene, John 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:04.680 approached some of the first responding officers, had his notebook out. 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:12.600 The investigation had begun. The officers told us that there 0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:16.080 were no actual witnesses to a shooter, but there were 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:19.960 some people that heard the gunshots and came out and 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:22.879 saw some people getting into I think it was a 0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:29.560 truck and leave. Neighbors told the detectives they'd seen a 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:33.760 black Silverado truck cruising the street all day leading up 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:38.240 to the shooting, and uh, we got kind of a description, 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.919 but it wasn't anything unusual, you know. It was a 0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:45.960 guy in a suit with a beard, which really didn't 0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:48.600 tell us a whole lot. And it turned out that 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:54.920 the other scene and went on Blaylock was directly related 0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:59.280 because it's the same family and they were actually brothers. 0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:05.560 Blaylock that John's referring to here is Blaylock Road. It's 0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:09.440 a boulevard about ten miles west of downtown Houston. It's 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:15.440 where Mark Chinath ran his shop, Reliance Appliances. An hour later, 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:18.040 as John and his partner were arriving back at the 0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:21.320 police station, they learned that Mark had been shot there. 0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:26.720 The office was full of people and well I confirmed 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:29.480 that it was a hit and that it was kind 0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:31.800 of hard to understand what it was all about. It first, 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:36.399 as John and his team prepared themselves for the investigation, 0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:40.360 some of his colleagues were already with the victims families. 0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:49.640 The first time Dwayne's wife Lucy since something wasn't right 0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:53.840 was around five PM. More than an hour had passed 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:56.639 since Dwayne and little Jenny had left the house together. 0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:59.640 I'm going to call him, but he's not answering. He's 0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:04.359 not up, So I started calling. No answer, you know, 0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:07.639 and so we probably that he was busy, me know, 0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:11.040 outside the truck and couldn't hear the phone. Then her 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:14.520 phone did ring, but it was a friend of Dwayne's. 0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:19.560 I noticed something was strange because his friend called very worried. 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:22.960 This friend had just heard the news about March not 0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:29.640 getting shot, so he was trying to prevent for warm Wayne. 0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:35.359 About was just stick took place and we couldn't get 0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:39.600 a hold of them. A couple of hours passed nothing. 0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:42.480 I'm still trying to put the bottle together with what's 0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:49.080 going on. So about an hour or two, the police 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:55.639 come in and they tell us that that both of 0:27:55.680 --> 0:28:02.200 them where We're dead. Okay, as I was still trying 0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:05.360 to gather and you know, come to terms with the 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.240 news they just told me. I just I couldn't believe it. 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:12.359 To me, it was just surreal. It's like, no, you 0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:16.840 could this is gonna be true? You know, just how 0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:20.360 can this happen? And it just all came tumbling down. 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:25.720 But it was just it was so shocking. It took 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:30.400 to gus, you know, they used to come with grips 0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:36.880 with it and who did it and why, and that's 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:44.360 when his past just came to the surface. That's coming up. 0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:57.480 After the break. As police started to piece together the 0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:00.840 motive behind the four o'clock murders, he told some of 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.600 the chinnav family that they wanted to take them into 0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:08.560 protective custody for a few days. Rina Channath seemed the 0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:12.560 most at risk. Two of her brothers had now been murdered, 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:15.760 one of them on a street that shared her name. 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:20.000 Worst of all, she had been named in hervil's Book 0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:25.000 of the New Covenant too, and that meant execution. She 0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:28.480 agreed to the protection initially, but then she went home. 0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:32.240 She figured that if the Kingdom of God wanted her dead, 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.360 they would have killed her when they killed Mark and 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:40.000 Dwayne and Eddie Marston, but Rena did skip the funeral. 0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:44.640 Security missures they did not want her at the funeral 0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:49.200 because they have done that before. When Lucy says done 0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:52.720 that before, she's talking about using a funeral as a 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:56.760 lure for further killings. This lure was the Colts plan 0:29:56.880 --> 0:30:01.280 back in nineteen seventy seven with the aborted assassination attempt 0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:06.560 on Hervil's brother Verlin. The police now knew about that connection, 0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:10.920 so when it came to this funeral, they weren't taking 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:15.000 any chances. The funeral had been delayed so it could 0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:18.840 take place on a Saturday. That way, off duty officers 0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:22.280 could be called in for extra security. That day was 0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:27.040 a very very sad day for all of us, and 0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:31.160 I remember they sat down one of the main freeways, 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:36.360 I ten, which is super busy, it's an interstate. They 0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:44.760 shut that down and security was really high. Over fifty officers, 0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:50.640 including FBI agents, detectives, uniformed officers, and a SWAT team 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:54.840