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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dirk Durham and this week's guest is a family man,

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Speaker 1: an outfitter and guide and all around outdoorsman. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show. Chris Cabralhi's a villain, Dirk Good, Did I

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Speaker 1: say your last name right?

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Speaker 2: Yep? Cabral that's correct?

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Speaker 1: Perfect? Perfect. So how's winter treated you so far? At

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Speaker 1: your Instagram shows, You've been pretty busy.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty slow early December just because of lack of

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Speaker 2: snow cat hunting. But after that, once about Christmas hit,

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Speaker 2: we had a really good season, ended up killing seven real.

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Speaker 1: Nice cat Holy cal that's awesome. How many cat clients

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Speaker 1: do you typically take out every week?

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Speaker 2: I try to take between eight and ten usually.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Now do you guys are you guys camping

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Speaker 1: at your remote base camp out there? Are you?

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Speaker 2: Like? No, We run all of our cat hunts out

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Speaker 2: of Avery, Idaho, that little town, and we can start

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Speaker 2: hunting just nine miles out of town, so we actually

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Speaker 2: stay in an apartment or a house that we ran

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Speaker 2: every winter, and we got Wi Fi and running water

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Speaker 2: and that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, on off snowmobiles or do you guys using

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Speaker 1: side by sides or tracks or anything.

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Speaker 2: No, we use We use snowmobiles and trucks for all

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Speaker 2: our cat hunts. Side by sides of tracks are just

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Speaker 2: too slow. We need to cover up as much ground

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Speaker 2: as we can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've heard guys talk about the side by

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Speaker 1: sides with tracks. They're cool, but man, they use a

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Speaker 1: lot of fuel and they're just not very fast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a maintenance thing on the bearings and fuel

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Speaker 2: is just incredibly you know, they're just not economical at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you guys get any any really big cats

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Speaker 1: this year?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? About the biggest one was probably one ninety five

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Speaker 2: Cole Tom.

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Speaker 1: That's a giant.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a good one.

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Speaker 1: Do you think do you think taking that many cats

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Speaker 1: out of the picture is really helping the elk and

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Speaker 1: dear herds up there?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think so definitely. You can see the

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Speaker 2: kills drop down from the end of the beginning of

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Speaker 2: the season to the end. By the end, there's no

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Speaker 2: next to no cat kills, you know. And we've been

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Speaker 2: hut in the same area for twenty five years, so

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Speaker 2: we've definitely saved a lot of you know, deer and

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Speaker 2: milk for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nice. And then after cat season you got

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Speaker 1: trade shows. How many of those do you typically do?

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Speaker 2: Man with social media and the website now, we've downsized

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Speaker 2: so much. We only do the Harrisburg, Pennsylvania show anymore,

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Speaker 2: and we do. We've done that show for thirty eight

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Speaker 2: years and we do really well there.

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Speaker 1: Holy cow, Yeah that's a long time. That's a long

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Speaker 1: show too. Is it like ten days?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Nine nine days yep?

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, those those are kind of marathon days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I wish they would shut it down to like

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Speaker 2: maybe the first weekend to Wednesday, But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We do really well at.

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Speaker 1: It, yeah, perfect. You get a lot of return clients

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Speaker 1: or picking up new guys all the time.

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Speaker 2: We get new guys, but our biggest thing is eighty

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Speaker 2: to ninety percent repeat clientele. So some of them guys

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Speaker 2: haven't hunted with us in twenty years. They bear hunted

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Speaker 2: twenty years ago, and then they'll come back on a

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Speaker 2: cat hunt now, you know, or elk hunt, you know

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Speaker 1: Sure sure are you guys running bears with dogs? Are

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Speaker 1: you guys strictly bear baiting?

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Speaker 2: I do mostly bear baiting. I run it with dogs.

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Speaker 2: I run them with dogs for my repeat clients and

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Speaker 2: guys that are in shape that know they can make

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Speaker 2: it to the tree. The hard part is our areas

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I notice that going out with Bradley here on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, most people have no clue how far they can

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Speaker 2: Cats are really short winded. A barrel run for twelve

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible. And then some of that country, like

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Speaker 1: if you get into that roadless stuff, then you kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, honestly, there's enough roadless stuff where

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Speaker 2: the GPS callers die and then you're in a predicament.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you when you are running dogs for

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Speaker 1: cats and bears, do you kind of pregame it a

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Speaker 1: little bit checking for wolf sign to see if there's

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Speaker 2: Always. I'm probably one of the luckier guys in Idaho

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Speaker 2: when it comes to hounds and wolves because I run

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, for the listeners.

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Speaker 2: Oh go ahead. I was just gonna say a lot

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Speaker 2: of my good friends I've had dogs hurt by wolves,

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Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah for our listeners that don't know. You know,

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Speaker 1: if if wolves here baying hound dogs, then that's like

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Speaker 1: a big attractment and they'll go and they'll go fight them,

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Speaker 1: kill them. Is it kind of a territorial thing.

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Speaker 2: It's territorial things, same thing they do to coyotes. They

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Speaker 2: just don't want any other canine in their areas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. I've seen a lot of really really

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Speaker 1: sad posts where folks have had their dogs chewed up

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Speaker 1: you know, you spent years building your your dog pack

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Speaker 1: eaten by a wolf. That's that's pretty harsh. It's pretty rough. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're pretty much family when you raise from pups.

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Speaker 2: And we're just like Brad, we raise all our own

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So with all your all your irons in the fire.

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Speaker 1: So your you're working, you're guiding, you're hunting. You like

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Speaker 1: to hunt yourself, Yeah, yeah, you shed you shed hunt.

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Speaker 1: I see you are always doing some honey dues, home

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Speaker 1: How do you make balance that all out? Man?

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Speaker 2: It's definitely tough. I know when I was young, my

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Speaker 2: I said to myself that I didn't want to be

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Speaker 2: of it's having the right employees, hiring the right people

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Speaker 2: I do love taking my three year old shed hunting.

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Speaker 2: He loves every day, he says, go horn hunting today.

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Speaker 2: Every day he wakes up, that's all he wants to

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so your your outfitting business? What's it called?

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Speaker 2: Russell Pond and b bar C Outfitters. We actually have

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Speaker 2: two different names. The Russell Pond name started thirty eight

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Speaker 2: years ago. In about nineteen eighty six. My dad bought

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Speaker 2: a bear hunting business in Maine and we just did

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Speaker 2: bear hunts, moose hunts, and whitetail hunts, and that's where

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Speaker 2: to move out west and have spring bear hunting also.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but nowadays got you guys, are you know branched

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Speaker 1: out to you know, kats and elk and do you

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Speaker 1: guys outfit for deer as well? Not?

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Speaker 2: You know, mainly by choice. I just choose not to.

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Speaker 2: We let our elk hunters buy deer tags and they

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Speaker 2: do strictly deer hunts just because of that reason. We're

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Speaker 2: just I loved whitetail hunting myself. I go down to Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: Sure, I can relate, and I can imagine it's kind

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Speaker 1: kind of pursued it. But did you always kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, I think even in elementary school, when you know,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to be a hunt guid in my whole life.

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Speaker 2: I think that was just what I wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: I've been skinning bears since I was probably six seven

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Speaker 1: Man, man, So how many bear baits do you guys

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Speaker 2: I'm run about seventy five now between two areas, and

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Speaker 2: I don't use them all. I always have plenty of

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Speaker 2: how good the baits are.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. So if I were to say, you know, well,

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Speaker 1: you see, I hear this all the time, special with

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Speaker 1: dogs and wan baits, like that's the lazy man's way. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: No, Northern Idaho we pack eighty pounds all day long,

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Speaker 2: They got a little easier than we do. Everything's work

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny, like that's kind of I don't. I

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Speaker 1: much work and time. It's kind of a time suck, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have to like make sure you got

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Speaker 1: bait on bait on your baits, food on your baits,

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Speaker 1: and if you don't have enough time to dedicate, then

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Speaker 1: it seems like them things kind of you know, they'll

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Speaker 1: go they'll go dry on you, to go south on you.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I just don't. I haven't had a lot

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Speaker 1: collecting of bait, that's that's a lot of work too. Like,

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Speaker 1: what do you guys put on your baits?

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Speaker 2: So everything we do now we get it all out

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Speaker 2: of semi loads from Wisconsin, and we've done that for

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Speaker 2: twenty years probably, But I mean a seven semi load

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Speaker 2: with shipping and everything, it's about twelve grand. So that's

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Speaker 2: a lot of money too. I got about two hundred

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what kind of food is in there?

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Speaker 1: Sure. Sure, how do you pack that? Do you guys

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent? Feed them as much as you possibly can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I've seen pictures of guys who who subscribe to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's one of the reasons I kind of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they're they're smart. They probably remember year to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the other thing too. And you're always

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Speaker 2: A lot of times when we're walking in the snow,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. Do you guys hunt out a stands

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Speaker 2: I have exactly fifty to fifty. I do tree stands

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you think it's better for evening hunts or

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Speaker 2: For bad Always we only do evening hunts. Our thermals

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Speaker 1: Do you try to put your your baits and stands

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Speaker 2: It's not always that it's the only place you can

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Speaker 1: Do like a bear, like a grease burn, or like

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Speaker 2: We've tried everything, so everything I use. Now my baits

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, do you ever have any wolves on your bait?

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Speaker 1: Wow. You ever see any grizzlies? Do you guys ever

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Speaker 2: No? I don't know how. You know how many cameras

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, that's crazy. How how old bears live like

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Speaker 2: Know, yeah, but you know it's kind of like you

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Speaker 2: that's really all I've noticed. Yeah, I don't. I guess

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Speaker 2: it's hard to let them get to twenty one when

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Speaker 2: you're killing them all at six seven and eight, right, right?

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Speaker 1: You know, what's an average size bear? There's people that

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Speaker 2: But we tell everyone one fifty. You know, that's an

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Speaker 2: at six years old, which is that's not real old

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Speaker 1: Well, you look at people. You know, there's one dude

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Speaker 2: Diversity, right, Yeah, I think they're a lot like people. There.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Well, hey, this week's pendled and Whiskey Question

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Speaker 1: This is just random cat hunting, bear hunting, elk cutting,

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Speaker 2: Six, All right, I'm gonna go with obviously archer l

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Speaker 2: shed hunting, bear hunting. Okay, but the cat hunting and

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Speaker 2: shed hunting was tough because I grew up as a houndsman,

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Speaker 2: I really got into that.

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Speaker 1: How do you find time to go hunting? Do you

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Speaker 1: like just block out a week to go elk high

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so September for archery elk, I take the first

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Speaker 1: Usually yeah, yeah, you've done pretty good on that early season.

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Speaker 1: Do you find like sometimes you get some decent bulls

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, I spend from about fourth of July till

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Speaker 2: I usually have the elk out I want to shoot

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Speaker 2: but no, I've done really well with that early season.

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Speaker 2: Usually by September fourth, I have an opportunity at a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. How many cams do you run on ELK?

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Speaker 2: I think I got about I think I had fifteen

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what kind of batteries are you using?

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Speaker 2: Lithium energizers?

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Speaker 1: Okay? And then what size SD cards are.

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Speaker 2: You Yeah, I'm putting thirty twos or sixty fours and

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Speaker 2: They take ten batteries and they last forever.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, I know some of my older cameras that

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Speaker 2: every pick, and you can't just look through the thumbnails.

436
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 2: You got to look at the background because you miss

437
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 2: a lot of those. Especially I keep everything on one

438
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 2: minute delay, but usually in September, if I'm going through

439
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 2: the area, I will change them to ten or thirty seconds,

440
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 2: just through the rut, you know.

441
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've a lot of times I'll like to put

442
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 1: one camera on the main main spot where I want

443
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 1: him to focus, and then like the trail leading to it,

444
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 1: I'll put one on video mode or something, and man,

445
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,959
Speaker 1: it seems like I'll pick some I'll pick bulls up

446
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: that I never got on the other camera, and vice versa,

447
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 1: like you'll never see them on video. But but then

448
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 1: sometimes you'll see one on video you never saw on

449
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 1: the other camera, so it's kind of cool.

450
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that completely.

451
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 1: So back to shed hunting. I'm seeing you out with

452
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 1: your dogs. You got labs, you're hunting sheds with?

453
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 2: Yep? I have two males and a female.

454
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 1: Okay, what kind of dogs you run?

455
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: For?

456
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 1: Cats? Walker?

457
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 2: Hounds? Mostly? I've got a couple of plots, but walkers

458
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 2: are my dogs of choice.

459
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 1: Okay, So male or female lab? Which which do you

460
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: see like one like better than the other? Or do

461
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: you prefer like a male dog to a female dog?

462
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 2: Man, I prefer males. I know they're a pain with sniffing,

463
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 2: you know, and pain on everything, but I don't. I

464
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 2: like my males, and I'm the same way with hounds though.

465
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 2: I just like my male dogs better. But yeah, my

466
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 2: both my lab I have two black male labs and

467
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 2: a yellow female, and both those males are they put

468
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: the female to shame, and she looks good and she

469
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 2: finds sheds and everything. I just feel like she doesn't

470
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 2: use her nose as much as they do.

471
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 1: Right, do you think? So she's more of a sight

472
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: so she's looking for sheds with her eyes and the

473
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: boys are sniffing more.

474
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 2: Yep, you can tell. You can watch her shed hut

475
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 2: with her eyes. And one thing you can one reason

476
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 2: you can tell is when they're using their nose, they're

477
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 2: moving a lot slower. When they're just running with their eyes,

478
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: they run full speed, and she's full speed everywhere.

479
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So did you train your dogs or did

480
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: you like half and half or would.

481
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: You so my very first one I bought, my first two,

482
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 2: my male and my female I bought started at four

483
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 2: months old. So basically they know the command search, they

484
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 2: like to chew on horns, but they're not really finished,

485
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: you know. So I got them both out of Antler

486
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 2: Dogs and Missouri from Roger c. And the guy's a

487
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: heck of a dog trainer, and uh yeah, I just

488
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 2: bought two started ones that way and I finished them up.

489
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 2: And then this last one I did it. I trained

490
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: him moment.

491
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: So so I've seen guys train dogs before, and sometimes

492
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: they'll do like they take like I don't know, a

493
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: big piece of like plastic or like construction paper, and

494
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,239
Speaker 1: they'll cut out like a huge antler shape, and then

495
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: they'll put an antler by it and then let their

496
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 1: dogs go of like seat they like to catch their attention,

497
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: and then you know, the antler will have you know,

498
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 1: the I guess there's this stuff you can look almost

499
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: like in a persprint, Like it's like a wax, like

500
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: a antler base wax. They smear on the the butd

501
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 1: of the antler or the base of the antler, and

502
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: then once the dog's key into like seeing like oh,

503
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: there's an antler shaped thing over there, then they take

504
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: that away and then they just the dogs find the

505
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: antlers and then they start hiding them, like I don't know,

506
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: like I feel like that would encourage like site searching

507
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 1: by by looking for those kind of things.

508
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: Don't Yeah, I agree with that one hundred percent. That's

509
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: what I was going to say. So, like mine were

510
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 2: actually training the search command on like just little kernels

511
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 2: of dog food. So it's getting them to use their nose.

512
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 2: Like when so when you go get a dog from

513
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: Roger and Missouri takes you in his little classroom and

514
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 2: he teaches you how they you know, teach him to

515
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: use their nose, and they teach bomb dogs and you know,

516
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: you know, drug dogs the same way. They teach them

517
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: the search command. And then they change whatever they're searching for. So,

518
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: like my guy used it pieces as a dog food

519
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: and it gets them using their nose and you know,

520
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: climbing around and have to find it. And then you know,

521
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 2: it's reward mineor all reward based training. So when they

522
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 2: do good, you give them a tree to pet them up,

523
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: you know, and you know they're you can't really be

524
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: that hard on them, they're you know, it's just it's

525
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: better to give them a reward than it is to

526
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 2: yell at him when they're doing something wrong, you know

527
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 2: what I mean. And I think a lot of mine

528
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: where my first dog was trained in cut corn fields

529
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 2: where you have the cornstock stick up everywhere, so they

530
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: had to use their nose because everything looks like an antler.

531
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: So I think that's a better way to train them

532
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 2: than yeah, like you just said, kind of leaning towards

533
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: using their eyes more. If they're in a you know,

534
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: a cut cornstock field where everything looks like an antler,

535
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: they have to use their nose.

536
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you have any other experience with other breeds

537
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 1: of dogs and you have any buddies or anybody that

538
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: uses like let's say, a blue healer or no or something.

539
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: I don't. But the guy I bought mine from him,

540
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: he did. He had I think it was a bulldog

541
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: or a pit bull train and another different breed. And

542
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: that's the same guy I got my first lab from,

543
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: and no I haven't. I think one thing that labs

544
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: obviously love to retrieve. Obviously they're easy to train. I

545
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: think that's two of the reasons it's good for him.

546
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: They may not have the best nose, but they definitely have,

547
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 2: you know, a good nose for hunting. The hard part

548
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: about labs is antlers are boring. You know, a ball bounces,

549
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 2: a bird, flies, deer run. The hard part is keeping

550
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: them interested in a horn and not letting them go

551
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: out in the woods and flush grouse, chase ducks, run deer.

552
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: You know.

553
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: I think that's the hard part, is keeping them more

554
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 2: interested in a horn. So when they bring me one,

555
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: you know as a young dog, you know, you give

556
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: them a treat, pet them up, let them know they

557
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 2: did good, and then you know, throw it out there

558
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 2: and make them fetch it a few more times, and

559
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: just keep them interested in the horn like the horn

560
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: does something, rather than just sit there. You know. I

561
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: think that's the best way to explain it balls bounce,

562
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 2: you know, Like I said, birds fly, everything's more exciting

563
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 2: than an antler. Naturally, they like to chew on them

564
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 2: because they smell more like a bone, you know, and

565
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: they like the way it feels on their teeth. But

566
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: to actually go find them, you have to keep them,

567
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 2: you know. Interested.

568
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. I worked with my old lab that had passed

569
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: away here a couple of years ago. I worked with

570
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: him a lot when he was a pup to try

571
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,239
Speaker 1: to get him to do sheds, and I didn't give

572
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: him any toys other than a shed antler, like from

573
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: the time we got him, and he loved antlers, and

574
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: he would fetch him and stuff like when we'd go

575
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: shed hunting, then I don't know, maybe we're in the

576
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: wrong spot probably where we probably get already got picked over.

577
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: But every now and then he'd find one. But sometimes

578
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: we would go camping, we'd just be sitting around the

579
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: fire and then here he'd come and he'd had a shed.

580
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: He'd just go grab one from somewhere bringing into camp.

581
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like I love that up at

582
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: camp when they just bring you on you don't know existed.

583
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like, and sometimes it's just like an old

584
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, chalk, like, hey, wow, good, fine, where did

585
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: you find that thing? So I feel like, you know,

586
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: they they're driven to do it, you know. And I

587
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: let all my dogs play with play with sheds, and

588
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: they really prefer those to chew on those. Then a

589
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 1: lot of other things and even bones, like giving an

590
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,719
Speaker 1: old alko boone or something. They'll chew the crap out

591
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: of that thing for a while, but eventually it's they

592
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: always go back to that shed antler mm hmm.

593
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,959
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that they. I don't know what it

594
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 2: is that draws them to It's got to be the

595
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: scent and the smell. One thing that people have the

596
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: miss conception of. I think they think that it's a

597
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: lot easier for a dog to find a fresh one

598
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 2: because they're trying to smell the actual deer scent on

599
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: the button of the horn, or the blood or the

600
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: wax ring on it. And I don't think, you know,

601
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 2: that's not always true. I'm sure that that horn, when

602
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: it freshly falls off, has that deer sent there and

603
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 2: puts off more scent than a horn that has been

604
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: out there a week and washed off. But like old horns,

605
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: like you were saying, the chalky, the green, the ones

606
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: that start to stink, those are the ones the dog's

607
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 2: really fine. Like, my dog doesn't miss an old horn

608
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: though we're on three four hundred yards, because they can

609
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: smell it from that far away and they'll bring it

610
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 2: back to you.

611
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. Also, I'm not a dedicated shed hunter,

612
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: and probably to disservice my dogs. Like you know, it,

613
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: probably could have had great shed dogs had I like

614
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: took them out all the time. But it seemed like

615
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: that was always a whenever I was doing this. It

616
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: was a tough time with kids, sports and whatever else.

617
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's a busy time year, and I worked

618
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: a job that was really busy that time year. But

619
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: nowadays I have no excuse other than I just need

620
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: to get out there more.

621
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is one hundred percent the time you put

622
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: into the dog, for sure. Even the guy that I

623
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: got my first one from Roger, he told me, you know,

624
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: you gotta almost take them every day. The more you

625
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: use them, the more their nose works. Just like hound dogs.

626
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: It's the same thing. Their nose kind of just goes

627
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: dead on them if they're not being used much. Right,

628
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: How I got into it originally was I'm a hunt

629
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: guy obviously, and was laid off every March in February

630
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: right after cat season, and I never had anyone to

631
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: shed hunt with. My buddy's always at nine to five jobs,

632
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: and you know, I never had anyone to go with.

633
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: So that's why I bought my first one. And you know,

634
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: within the first few years he got really good because

635
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: that's all we did from February tomorrow. You know, the

636
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: end of March was just shit hunt.

637
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty hard to hard to beat it. A

638
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: good companion dog, you know that's in the woods. Like, man,

639
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: they're such good they're just such good company, and they

640
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: don't talk back, and they're just game, like you want

641
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: to go over here? Heck yeah, they want to go

642
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: over there. They're just like they're like the ultimate hunting buddy.

643
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. And when they bring you the hornback, it goes

644
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: in your pile, not your best friends, you know, with

645
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: your best friend.

646
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: Right, you match up a set, you know, not oh.

647
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: Man, there's no fighting over it.

648
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. You don't have to trade any other good ones

649
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: to exactly to make the set. That's that's fun. Yeah.

650
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: How many sheds do you think to your average do

651
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: you say, do the dogs add to your your shed

652
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: antlerge average that you guys bring home.

653
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: I think the best, uh you know, my best years.

654
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: I think we go about fifty to fifty. It just

655
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: seems like they find more older ones and I'll pick

656
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: up more of the fresher ones. I don't try to

657
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: take multiple dogs at a time because it seems like

658
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: they just want to mess with each other, follow each

659
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: other around. If I take so my old one, now

660
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: he's thirteen, so he's really slowing down. My good years

661
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: were you know two, I think one nine, two d

662
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: and twenty horns one year two hundred and twelve. Those

663
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: are the good years. I'm not finding quite that many anymore.

664
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Speaker 2: But man, there's so much more competition now. It's in

665
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: North Idaho. You got obviously competition. You got way less

666
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: animals than we used to have. So it's it's really

667
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: tough training a dog now. I've been. I got a

668
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: couple buddies that want to get into it now, and

669
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 2: I told them I just don't think it's the right

670
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: time to train a dog in North Iido too. We

671
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: get some of our deer and oak numbers back.

672
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, yeah, good point, good point. How do

673
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: you keep track of your dogs while you're hunting with them,

674
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: so that the shed dogs so they don't run off

675
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: and get eaten by wolves do. They stay pretty pretty

676
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: close to you.

677
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: So my thirteen year old these really good. He'll range

678
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: out to like four hundred yards to grab a horn.

679
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: But I keep the garment the same system I'm running

680
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: on my hound dogs. I run on them. And it

681
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: wasn't ever because I was afraid of losing them or

682
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: they go too far won't find me. It was nothing

683
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: like that. It's just if they find one side of

684
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: a big set, you want to see where they pick

685
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: that up because a dog doesn't register, oh the other

686
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: side'es there. I got to run right back to there

687
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: and get that other side. You know, maybe my thirteen

688
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: year old would, but I know my young dogs are

689
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 2: just going to go looking somewhere else, you know. Sure,

690
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: So you see, you can tell right on the map

691
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: where they stopped at shows they sat down or stopped,

692
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: and then you just go to that point and start calming.

693
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 2: You know, you can see where they picked it up

694
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: from on them. Oh yeah, so that really helps out

695
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: big time. That's a game changer. When I started running

696
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: satellite collars on the shed dogs.

697
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that's really, really, really smart. I wondered

698
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: about that, which leads to another question. How big of

699
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 1: an elk antler can one of those dogs pack back?

700
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: Let's say they got a big old six point it's heavy, heavy,

701
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: horned bowl like and it's steep brushy country. How far

702
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: will will those seem kind of like packing for a

703
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: while and struggle or maybe abandon.

704
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: Them or no, My mails, they got so much drive

705
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: they won't give up. If they can't get it out

706
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: from underneath the blowdown or a tree, they will just

707
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: stay there. And then I'll eventually I'll just stare at

708
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: the collar and make sure they stay there, and I'll

709
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: walk to them. But my thirteen year old, I'll grab

710
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: a twelve pound thirteen pound elk corn and he will

711
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: carry it as far as he can. Wow, And I

712
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: mean he'll be exhausted when he gets their wagon's tail.

713
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: But I try to cut to him as fast as

714
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: I can when I know they're struggling, you know, just

715
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: because you don't want to tire them out either, you know,

716
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: and make them lose interest with fighting with a horn.

717
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: But those two males, they'll carry any size horn they

718
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: can get in their mouth. But my female, she'll pick

719
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: up a five point carry at two feet, spit it out,

720
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: just stare at me telling me to come get it.

721
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: You know. She definitely doesn't carry him like they do.

722
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's amazing.

723
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: One thing that I learned too from my guy is

724
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: when they go through the teething when they're real young.

725
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: He told me they lose interest in horns for a

726
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: couple of months when they when they're teething because it

727
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: hurts their teeth, and he wasn't kidding, And after those

728
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: couple of months they go right back to an antler.

729
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: Really okay, yeah that makes sense. I kind of see

730
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: that with my pupp that like he shied kind of

731
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 1: well he was teething, he kind of shied away from

732
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: hard stuff. But yeah, exactly starts shredding pillows and crap

733
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: like y yeah, love that stuffed animals and stuff. Yeah, yeah,

734
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: that that's really cool. What is your best tip if

735
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: you were to like give someone a tip for training

736
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: shed dogs.

737
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: Basically, probably number one is obviously just being patient. Don't

738
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: get mad at them. You know, you got to keep

739
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: them into it, give them rewards, pet them up and

740
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 2: I would use I don't know, you brought up the

741
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: you know, the antler scent stuff that you can put

742
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: on horns or put on stuff. I stayed clear of

743
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: all that stuff. I froze fresh horns, is what I did.

744
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 2: I wouldn't touch them with my hands. I froze fresh horns,

745
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 2: so you get the wax ring and the flood and

746
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: that stuff stays on there. And then when I threw

747
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: them out in the woods to trade them, you know,

748
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: I would use rubber gloves. I wouldn't walk near it.

749
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: And a lot of times I would do it the

750
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: day before, like in the rain, and then let it

751
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 2: rain overnight, so I knew there was no human scent

752
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: anywhere around them. And I think that helps out a lot,

753
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: because you know, when you're sitting there playing fetch with

754
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: a dog, obviously you got your human scent on it,

755
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: and they're they're saliva, you know, they smell all that stuff.

756
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: The number one thing is not have any of that

757
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: kind of stuff on it. And just like it fell

758
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 2: off the deer's head, you know, or elk's head.

759
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that's really good. Have you ever tried

760
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: to have them track blood trails like I haven't, Okay,

761
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: I was just wondering. As a as a guide an outfitter,

762
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: then you probably have clients sometimes make not the most

763
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: perfect shot and didn't didn't know if they were there's

764
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: any if you've ever used a blood tracking.

765
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: Dog to no. So like with obviously with our bears,

766
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: we just use our hounds, you know, and we'll want

767
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: them on a leash to retrieve them, but we never

768
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: with with deer and olt. Well, I don't even they

769
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: just kind of legalized it, didn't they for us for

770
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: to track deer and elk with dogs. When I was younger,

771
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 2: we couldn't do.

772
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: It, right, Yeah, I think that, yeah, you have you

773
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: have to be on a leash or whatever.

774
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they've changed over the last few years.

775
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I did a podcast with a guy here a

776
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: month or so ago, Matt gagn And he he works

777
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: with a blood trail of dog dog and and and

778
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: he's in part of an organization that that's they train,

779
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: they compete, they promote, and then I think they even

780
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: have like a website on the on the internet. You

781
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: can go log in or not log in. You just

782
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 1: go to it and like look for people and within

783
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: that organization, within your area, and he said, shoot, guys

784
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: will drive six hours sometimes to to Let's say, you

785
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: like hit an help and you wanted to have some

786
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: help find it with a dog. Then then guys will

787
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: drive six hour hours to come up and help. So

788
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy.

789
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: I know, it's really big in Oklahoma and Kansas. Now,

790
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: well the dogs got big and now it's the drone thing.

791
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: Now they're using drones to find their deer for them.

792
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, those thermal drones. Those are crazy crazy. Speaking

793
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: about thermals, that's kind of a big topic these days.

794
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: What what's your take on those thermal like just binoculars, monoculars.

795
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: I know they're legal right now in Idaho, you know,

796
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: but I know Washington's not. What's your take on that? Man?

797
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: I kind of go both ways. I don't own any.

798
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: Every one of my friends has one, and you know,

799
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 2: shows me cool videos and stuff. I think it's cool,

800
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: but I think it's getting outlawed soon. Honestly, I don't

801
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: think it'll be legal very long.

802
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like you say, it's it's cool,

803
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: but sometimes I like to cheer for the animal, you know,

804
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: the deer they help whatever, and it's like, yeah, you

805
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: gotta look, you gotta give them a chance, you know.

806
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: But but even so, I've been around it a little bit,

807
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: and you know you can you can spot deer and

808
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: elk with them. But that doesn't mean you're gonna kill one.

809
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't. I didn't run out and buy

810
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,479
Speaker 2: one like everyone else did, that's for sure.

811
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: Well, they're expensive. It's a big investment to to to

812
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: risk having it be outlawed. And you're like, okay, well

813
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: now what, yeah exactly, I guess scouting maybe during the

814
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: off season. Maybe they're legal. I'm not sure what.

815
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, Honestly, I don't know. There's so much great even

816
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: with the drones. You don't know if it is it

817
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: legal to find hunting season? Can you not? You know,

818
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 2: if you read the law.

819
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: Book, it's confusing, right, I know. Anytime we ever use

820
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: like a drone for those cool drone shots for videos

821
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: and stuff, it'll be like, all right, after we're all

822
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 1: done hunting, we're tagged out, you know, we're no longer hunting,

823
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: and then we'll fly the drone just in case there's

824
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: ever ever any kind of like issue or whatever. And honestly,

825
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: film permit, we got to, you know, we always do

826
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: things right. We got to go through film permits to

827
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: the for Service, and they're expensive, and if you add

828
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: a drone on there, then it's adds another layer of expense.

829
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: So so sometimes if you know, I hate to give

830
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: away my secret, but if you go on online, there's

831
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: all these different video and photo companies that have stock video,

832
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: stock stock photos, and you can you can buy download

833
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: these these videos of areas that looked similar or whatever

834
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: to where you're hunting to where you can have those

835
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: and not have to worry about the extra expense of

836
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: a drone license or pilot or whatever. They usually cost

837
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: you more money anyway with your gut your camera guy

838
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: if he's a drone guy.

839
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's crazy how many people don't know about

840
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: the Forest Service permits for filming, and you know, you

841
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 2: tell them like cause they come into camp like yeah,

842
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this for my YouTube channel. It's like

843
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 2: you gotta pay. They get you fifty bucks a day,

844
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: don't they for filming?

845
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it's something like that. It used to be.

846
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to do a lot of hunting shows

847
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: and then we kind of tapered down on them now yeah.

848
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they say you know, it's this much a day,

849
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: but then they can charge an application fee, and some

850
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: national forests will be like, you know, it'll be a

851
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars fee, and other places it won't be

852
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: any fee at all. It's just weird. And then some

853
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: national forests they're just like, you don't need to permit

854
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: for what you're doing, and they'll cite some some you know,

855
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: article seven blah blah, you know, some article in the

856
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: rule book, and they won't even charge it because you're

857
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: not really impacting the environment by a couple of guys

858
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: going hunting with a camera. But there's been some new

859
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: legislation come through. I think it's called part of the

860
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: Explorer Act or something to where it's not required to

861
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: have a like a big expensive film permit. And then

862
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: I wonder with all this for service cutbacks, you know, man,

863
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: it's like pulling teeth to get one anyway with a

864
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: full staff for a service. Now that there's they've had

865
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: all these jobs eliminated, a cutback or whatever, I don't

866
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: even know if you could get one. There's nobody at

867
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: a desk to to to reply even so I don't

868
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: know how that's going to play into this fall. I

869
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: guess we'll kind of see.

870
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think we're going to experience a bunch

871
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 2: of that here coming up, because you've got to get

872
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 2: your bait permits. You know, we got to do all

873
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: of our use stuff in the beginning of the season,

874
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: and if there's not a buoys, everything's going to take longer.

875
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like film permits. We kind of figure out

876
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: where we're gonna l hunt or whatever by the time,

877
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: you know, by let's say June, and what's June, Well,

878
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: that's the beginning of fire season, or it's fire season

879
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: in some other state. Let's say. You know these and

880
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: love for service folks travel around for that, you know, Yeah,

881
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: they do to assist in the fires. And I think

882
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: that's a lot of our issues. Like a lot of

883
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: folks are just out of the office during that time

884
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: year they're busy with fires and whatever else. So yeah,

885
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: be an interesting year for sure. So ELK, are you

886
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: a call guy or are you a spot in stock guy?

887
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: No, I'm a call guy. I'm probably blowing calls when

888
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: I shouldn't.

889
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: Be, Like you, right right right, I probably I probably

890
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: do it too much. But the kind of country I know,

891
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: you hunt a lot of the same kind of stuff

892
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: I do. And man, I just probably wouldn't kill any

893
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: ELK if I didn't call.

894
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I have a really good luck calling. I

895
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: have a really good luck calling for myself. I think,

896
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: are you know there I hunt are where my honey

897
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: holes are? They're they're not real call shy. They're more

898
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: shy of wolves and predators than are people. So I

899
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: think I have that advantage. But no, I'm I'm definitely

900
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: a huge call guy. I think I've called in every

901
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: bull that I've shot pretty sure.

902
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. If it wasn't for calls, i'd probably have

903
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: only killed maybe one or two elk. Yeah. So, and

904
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 1: it's funny like you dive into calling ELK in different

905
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: opinions on ELK, and some guys will say, oh, never

906
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: chuckle at a bowl because that tells him this, and

907
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: never col call it a bowl only calf call, and

908
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: only do this one certain bugle at a at a bowl.

909
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: What what's your take on calling in ELK?

910
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: I mean, can you My My one take is only

911
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: chuckle if you can. But no, I think I call

912
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: in a lot of bulls with chuckles because there's not

913
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: a lot of people that can do it, and I don't.

914
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: I think it fires them up where I am. I mean,

915
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: I don't use it even as a last resort. I'm

916
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I've watched you hung enough on your you

917
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: know your shows. I do a lot of calling. I'm aggressive,

918
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: you know. When I get in there, I get in

919
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: there quick. I think a lot of times they're not

920
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 2: used to people coming in as on them as fast.

921
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 2: So when I come in like I do, loud and fast,

922
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: you know, then they think I'm another Elk. And you know,

923
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: a lot of times I get them close shots. You know,

924
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 2: I'm close and personal nice bulls because of the I'm

925
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: definitely not one to shy away from a chuckle or

926
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: a bugle on anything. I try try everything really.

927
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: So you don't just elm or fud it through the

928
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: woods like nice and quiet, like like you're slipping on

929
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: white tails. You're like breaking brush and just moving hard

930
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: and fast.

931
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: Going over blowdowns like I heard elk is you know, yeah,

932
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: I'm not. I mean there is, don't get me wrong.

933
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 2: You know there's times when you need to be quiet.

934
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: There's times when you're guys behind you call them and

935
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: you need to slip in. But when I'm calling for myself,

936
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 2: and I'm the one running in a lot of times

937
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: i'm drawn, you know, coming around a tree and they're

938
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: already standing there. I'm pretty I'm pretty aggressive. I don't

939
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 2: think I would have the trophy room I have if

940
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: I wasn't in the country we hunt, you know, that

941
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: same thing, that thick brush country, you know what I Meantime,

942
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: I'll run in, you know, have them at twenty where

943
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 2: I can't see him for an hour, and then finally

944
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: just get fed up, draw my bow and run in.

945
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: And sometimes they'll stand there and stare long enough for

946
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: you to get a shot on a three ten twenty bowl.

947
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, they're like, what is that?

948
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: Nobody's dumb enough to run in on us right here?

949
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah? Yeah, so very good luck calling.

950
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you've hunted New Mexico a fair amount.

951
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: How much different is elk hunting in New Mexico versus Idaho?

952
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: Man, it's you know a lot of fun days, a

953
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: lot of bugling. You hear a lot more bugles down there,

954
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: but every bugle you hear is running away from you.

955
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: Typically I'm not the only one. Yeah, I will admit

956
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: those elk are harder to call it's not. It's night

957
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: and day. I get down there. I'm so used to

958
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: calling everything in in Idaho, and I get on there,

959
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: and those elk just they'll scream and they answer every call.

960
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: But they're they're moving away When it sounds like they're

961
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: coming in and getting closer, Nope, that's them moving up

962
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: out of the draw on the next ridge. That's why

963
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: they got louder. It's tough hunting down there too. For

964
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 2: how many elk there are anyway?

965
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you find once they go to bed, do

966
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: they stick in that same bed for very long? Do

967
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: they stay there all day like Northido elk do, or

968
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: they they move?

969
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: They move? Well, okay, so let me let me say this.

970
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: The last time I was there, which was the toughest

971
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: hun I had, and I was in the Hila, I

972
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: think people move them around all day, more so than

973
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: the elk wanting to get up and move. There was

974
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: a lot of hunters on the same mountain last time

975
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 2: I was hunting in the HeLa. You're talking about one

976
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty tag holders trying to hunt the same

977
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 2: you know, oh man acres. Geez. Yeah, that's tough. So

978
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: I think our elk and and and Idaho are a

979
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: lot more predictable to me, you know, but that's just

980
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 2: because we've hunted them our whole lives.

981
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: Probably, Yeah, And I think I think they kind of

982
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: stick tight to bed a lot longer for us in

983
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: New Mexico. Man, you would we would put them things

984
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: to bed and be like, all right, we're gonna let them. Okay,

985
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: this is ten am. We're gonna wait till like twelve,

986
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: like those winds change, you get, let them get you know,

987
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: all settled in, and then we'll make a move. And sometimes,

988
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: like more times than not, by waiting a couple hours,

989
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 1: we go over there and they're long gone. They've just toot.

990
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: They're just like.

991
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: I know. What's tricky is a lot of times there

992
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: you think they're bedding, but they're not. They move ten

993
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: to fifteen miles, you know what I mean. It's like

994
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,479
Speaker 2: not just over the ridge, they moved ten miles. Oh yeah,

995
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: you know which we're in Idaho. I think that our

996
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: are really you know, rugged country keeps them from going

997
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: so far, you know what I mean, Right between betting

998
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 2: and feeding.

999
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think ideal betting and feeding areas are

1000
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: a lot closer together in Idahovas is New Mexico. Maybe

1001
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, we have a water tank over here,

1002
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: but we really like this place over here to bed

1003
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: and they just like cover so much ground.

1004
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's like, yeah, if you laid Idaho

1005
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 2: flat with a rolling pin, I'm sure elk would move

1006
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: a lot further. It's just they definitely seem to go

1007
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: five miles on a straight line there. Like you said,

1008
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 2: you think they're bed and then then all of a

1009
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 2: sudden they're just gone gone.

1010
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: One thing that was crazy we found out is the

1011
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: sound travel so much better in New Mexico. So we

1012
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: would be like, oh man, there's just bulls on the

1013
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: other side of this ridge over here, and we'd walk

1014
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: to the other side of the ridge only to figure

1015
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: out that there's still like a half a mile away

1016
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: over onto the next across this huge drainage over on

1017
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: the next you know ridge. It's like, holy, like, how

1018
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: am I so far off? But it just like seemed

1019
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: like the sound travels well, like you say, it's a

1020
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: lot flatter, but there is some topography in certain areas,

1021
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: But those little trees, those pinion juniper seedars, they don't

1022
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: seem to like stifle the sound like bugles like they

1023
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: do in big timber country up north. Have you kind

1024
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: of yes?

1025
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 2: I agree, one hundred percent. I think Idaho so thick

1026
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: we hear a bugle, we know it's in you know range,

1027
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: you know it's probably a lot closer than you think

1028
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: a lot of times even. Yeah, but yes, I agree

1029
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 2: with that. Down there sound carry is a long way,

1030
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 2: especially when they're higher than you and you know they're

1031
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 2: you know, going up over the canyons.

1032
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you are you a gutless method guy or

1033
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 1: you like an old school like these hatchets and split

1034
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: him up into four being ginormous quarters.

1035
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: No, man, I don't use anything but an outdoor edge

1036
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 2: and ife, and I'm gutless on pretty much everything nowadays.

1037
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 2: I take the inners out through the last room there

1038
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: and I try not to get anything. If I got

1039
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: to go back and get pack mules far away or

1040
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: something I had to do that, I'll get them. But

1041
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: most of the time, if we're packing on our backs there,

1042
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: the mules are pretty close. Ill. Uh, gutless.

1043
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. How many mules do you guys run?

1044
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,479
Speaker 2: Man? I had about around thirty. We've had a rough winner.

1045
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: I think we just lost four of old age. So

1046
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 2: oh man, we're gonna be looking for some new ones.

1047
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: We get a lot of years out of them. Man,

1048
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: we'll use them till they're you know, low to mid thirties.

1049
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: Wow.

1050
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: So if we get them at five six years old,

1051
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: we get them, you know, a lot of use out

1052
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: of them.

1053
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: So are your elk camps? Are those all like a

1054
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: pack in like with with stock?

1055
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: So everything used to be used to be all spike camps,

1056
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: wall tank camps. The way the wolves hit us so

1057
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: bad in the back country, everything is done out of

1058
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: our base camp. Now, Okay, our elk numbers are better

1059
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: closer to the roads than they are in the back country.

1060
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you go way back when I was a

1061
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: kid where it was really killer, and you know, you know,

1062
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight, you know, ninety nine, two thousand, there's

1063
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: not even animals back there anymore. The wolves hit us

1064
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: so hard, and so the stuff that was great back

1065
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: then is desolate now. And you know, it's kind of crazy.

1066
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: I think they'lk stick to where the fishermen all are

1067
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 2: all summer. I think the fishermen keep the wolves.

1068
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: Away from the wolves are scared of fly rods.

1069
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

1070
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's funny you say that, Like all of

1071
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: my hunting spots that like, the further you go back,

1072
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: that will like less elky get into and the closer

1073
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: to civilization in town you get then there's there's more help.

1074
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: There's just more animals.

1075
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it kind of sucks because a lot of

1076
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 2: the people you know that want to book a hunt

1077
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: stall of the old school mentality they need to be

1078
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 2: in the back country. The further back, the better the

1079
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: hunt is. But I and I have to go to

1080
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: the shows explaining to them it's not that way in

1081
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: northern at least in Idaho anymore.

1082
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: It's yeah, yeah, and there's something romantic about going to

1083
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: the back country and staying in a wall tant way

1084
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: back and horses and mules and you know, just that's

1085
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: that's American dream like for the quintessential elk hunt. You know,

1086
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot less romantic to hunt out

1087
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: of a truck every day. And some people even thumb

1088
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: their nose out a little bit like, ah, you guys

1089
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 1: aren't true back country elkhunty. Okay, all right.

1090
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do it all. I'll do whatever it takes

1091
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 2: to kill elk.

1092
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me too. I'm the same boat you see. Guys.

1093
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: It's funny too, Like I'll talk to folks who'll go

1094
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: to Colorado. You know, they've got such you know, a

1095
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: lot of wilderness country and a lot of really great

1096
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: trail systems, and they'll be like, I'm gonna pack in

1097
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: seven miles or eight miles with my backpack hunt, you know,

1098
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: and we're gonna stay there at ten days. And man,

1099
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: they'll go back there and they're like, man, I didn't

1100
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: we were back there for like seven days and didn't

1101
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: see an elk. You know, they kind of just go

1102
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: all in on that instead of that one spot. That

1103
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: one spot. It's like, man, you just don't know what

1104
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: happened the week before. There could have been another big

1105
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: group of people that shot elk and blew them all

1106
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: out of there, you know. Or or maybe there's just

1107
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: a lot of blue haired weirdos backpacking, you know in

1108
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: the summertime, a lot of hikers. Yeah, no doubt. You

1109
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: heard a lot of crazy stories about about all the

1110
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: three hikers. You know, you'd be begging a bowl or something.

1111
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: You hear something look on the trail and there's a

1112
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: here's a guy or a gall and spandex, you know,

1113
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 1: walking along and it's like, what are you doing?

1114
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, my buddy, one of my best friends, lives in

1115
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: Denver and they all cut a Colorado of a lot

1116
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: of years, and he's got some good stories about hikers

1117
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 2: screwing up his hunts.

1118
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was in central Idaho el hunt

1119
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 1: in one time and had this bull going and man,

1120
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: he was just kind of hung up, but I was.

1121
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 1: I was like, man, any minute, he's gonna like break

1122
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: loose and come in. And I heard the weirdest noise.

1123
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: And I was off of this old logging road, you know,

1124
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: and I heard the weirdest noise behind me. It's like,

1125
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: what the hell is that noise? I turned around and

1126
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: this dude on a mountain bike and he was wearing

1127
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: bright like fluorescent blue like spandex tops and bottoms. He

1128
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: had a helmet on and everything it comes zip and

1129
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: just like through on a mountain bike. Of course, the

1130
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: bull spooked out of there. I'm like, what the hell, what,

1131
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 1: what's the what are the chances of that happening?

1132
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely less than northern Idaho.

1133
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: Well, most of the trails up there, you can't get

1134
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: it by sickle on them anyway, let's the dirt biker's

1135
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: cut it out and seemed like the for service never

1136
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: cut trails anymore like these two.

1137
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we cut all our own trails. They don't

1138
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: do anything in our area anymore. That's why when I

1139
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: run into hunters, you know, and they're asking me this,

1140
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I cut every trail here. There wouldn't

1141
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: be a trail here if you didn't, you know, if

1142
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 2: I wasn't out here all summer.

1143
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's brutal. It's brutal. Well man, thanks

1144
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: so much for coming on the podcast. And know I

1145
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: had to twist your arm just a little bit to

1146
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: get you on here, but but I appreciate it. We're

1147
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: where can folks find your outfitting website? Uh?

1148
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, just go to the website www dot Russell Pond

1149
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,959
Speaker 2: Outfitters dot com and we have the new website there,

1150
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 2: or you can find us on face, Facebook or Instagram.

1151
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: Okay, and then your personal social media account.

1152
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris Cabral just C h R S C A

1153
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: B R A L. And yeah, I'm the head guy

1154
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 2: pretty much operator of everything.

1155
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, head cook and bottle washer and everything. Huh yeah, do.

1156
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: It too much to cook. I away from the cook.

1157
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: Oh that's good.

1158
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: You may not want to eat it.

1159
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: No, I can cook, I just choose not to.

1160
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: Yeah that's good. So well, thanks again for coming on

1161
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: and appreciate it.

1162
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 2: Man, all right, no problem. Hope to see you soon.

1163
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 2: Get the hell hunt together sometime.

1164
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be awesome. I love the country you're in

1165
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: and man it's I've hunted around it a little bit,

1166
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, someday it'd be really fun to come

1167
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: up and go do this and do an elk hunt.

1168
00:54:35,160 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. So I have to work it out, yep.