Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff
Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.
Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglass. Julie,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen or read Peter Benchley's The Deep?
Speaker 1: I've not, but I know of it. Yeah, the movie
Speaker 1: had I think Nicknoledy in it, Speedos or something Better Days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is Better Days day. But um, but as I
Speaker 1: recall that, the plot is basically, um, everyone gets excited
Speaker 1: because there's like a World War two vessel uh shipwreck
Speaker 1: all right down there on the sea floor, and it's
Speaker 1: just loaded with morphine. So people are like, hey, let's
Speaker 1: go down and get that morphine and then sell it
Speaker 1: and we'll be rich. Or maybe they're just really into morphine.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But but then the thing is underneath
Speaker 1: that shipwreck, there's a second shipwreck. It's like an old
Speaker 1: like Spanish galleon filled with gold. And then but then
Speaker 1: there's more under that. There's a third shipwreck, and that
Speaker 1: is an old has tech vessel and it's filled with
Speaker 1: silver and uh and like and like other treasures. And
Speaker 1: then underneath that there's a fourth wreck and this one's
Speaker 1: actually an alien spaceship that Nick Nolty is able to
Speaker 1: dive down to and bear he discovers his long lost father,
Speaker 1: who is Culo. Right, So spoilers abound there and then
Speaker 1: shows up and then the cracking shows up, but the
Speaker 1: Nautilus comes to the rescue. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is
Speaker 1: not always the way. Yeah yeah, I mean, if you
Speaker 1: guys haven't figured out we're talking about today, we are
Speaker 1: talking about the ocean and all the tritus that lives
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, because we don't. We hear a fair
Speaker 1: amount about sunken treasure ships every now and then. It's
Speaker 1: like it's great, uh, you know, boys, life, pirate adventure, fair.
Speaker 1: But the reality is there is we have dropped a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff onto the ocean floor, and and it's
Speaker 1: not all just like you know that. You also see
Speaker 1: stuff about like oh a ship, a ship sinks and
Speaker 1: it becomes a natural environment for fish, it becomes a
Speaker 1: new coral reef for something. And you see situations where
Speaker 1: people take these stripped vessels out and sink them so
Speaker 1: that the various forms of sea lift can make it home.
Speaker 1: But in reality, you have a whole lot of ships
Speaker 1: that have gone down with oil aboard with unexploded ordinance aboard,
Speaker 1: well with with human lives aboard as well, not that
Speaker 1: that's as much of an environmental factor at all, right,
Speaker 1: but some some areas are essentially in underwater graveyards, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So in this podcast, we're going to talk about these
Speaker 1: sunken dangers and what they what they mean for the environment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and not only that, um, you know, how they how
Speaker 1: they affect the oceans, which we have like even like
Speaker 1: the most minutest understanding about right now, and we'll talk
Speaker 1: about more about that later. But this really is something
Speaker 1: that's very important to our existence. So let's talk about
Speaker 1: those tankers. Yeah, so stinking tankers. A lot of this
Speaker 1: originates from the Second World War. In first and foremost,
Speaker 1: it's it's easy for those of us who grew up
Speaker 1: for years and years decades after the Second War War
Speaker 1: to forget that this was a truly global scenario. This
Speaker 1: was a major deal. Like like nations around the world
Speaker 1: became immersed in total warfare. And I think my battleship
Speaker 1: is just not the cry of a board game, right right.
Speaker 1: It was. WARAR two was the single largest saw the
Speaker 1: single largest loss of shipping in a relatively short period
Speaker 1: of time that the world has ever witnessed to. To
Speaker 1: put some numbers on that, I have some stats here
Speaker 1: that come from Sea Australia, which is an organization that
Speaker 1: has concerned itself with the fate of these various vessels
Speaker 1: and their potential impact in the environment. They said, seventy
Speaker 1: eight hundred sunken World War two vessels worldwide, including eight
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty oil tankers, and they've been setting there
Speaker 1: in many cases, you know, in the bottom of the
Speaker 1: sea floor for sixty years or more seventy I guess
Speaker 1: now we're looking at um just corroding Asia Pacific Regional
Speaker 1: Loan thirteen million tons of sunken vessels in the Pacific,
Speaker 1: including three hundred and thirty tankers and oilers, and then Atlantic,
Speaker 1: Mediterranean and Indian Ocean somewhere in the neighborhood of three thousand,
Speaker 1: nine hundred and fifty vessels over a thousand tons of
Speaker 1: ship and nine of those are thought to be oil tankers.
Speaker 1: Because you have you have ships sinking each other, of submarines,
Speaker 1: you have you have stuff just going down due to
Speaker 1: weather or other factors, and the state that these vessels
Speaker 1: go down there, it varies, you know, because in some
Speaker 1: cases they're sustaining damage before they go down. Stuff is
Speaker 1: blowing up before they go down. H So they're they're
Speaker 1: not exactly tightly wrapped containers. In some cases, the oil
Speaker 1: is burning off in the explosion, or most of it is.
Speaker 1: In other cases, a vessel is hit in such a
Speaker 1: way that most of the oil may be intact and
Speaker 1: it just goes down there and and it's just sitting
Speaker 1: until that container that it's in, that that metal container
Speaker 1: finally deteriorates enough for it to leak out into the
Speaker 1: surrounding environment. Well. Of note recently is the s S Montebello,
Speaker 1: which was sunk by Japanese submarine seventy years ago off
Speaker 1: the coast of central California. Three million gallons of oil
Speaker 1: loaded onto the vessel before it departed on December one,
Speaker 1: and it now sits nine hundred feet below in frigid
Speaker 1: ocean water. It looks like, based on what has been
Speaker 1: released from the survey, and it looks like there's there's
Speaker 1: no oil down there, so really okay, yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: looks like there was some concern because this was definitely
Speaker 1: one of those cases where they they thought that like
Speaker 1: the portion of the ship that was hit was was
Speaker 1: not the portion with the oil, so they thought that
Speaker 1: the oil could be intact. But it looks like the
Speaker 1: oil is gone now, so thank you, Robert Lamb. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but that's just one case out of many. And
Speaker 1: you have to have another factor to remember here is
Speaker 1: that we don't have a countdown for how long any
Speaker 1: of these vessels have because because on top of their
Speaker 1: conditions varying depending on the model of the ship and
Speaker 1: the conditions that it's sank under, you have environmental concerns
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, And I mean the thing is too
Speaker 1: is that this is uh as you As you noted,
Speaker 1: there are eight hundred and sixty second oil tankers and
Speaker 1: so this is not new news to anybody. And in fact,
Speaker 1: there's another ship that's ink in nineteen fifty three near
Speaker 1: San Francisco called the s S. Jacob Lukembach, and it
Speaker 1: slowly leaked some of the four seventy five thousand gallons
Speaker 1: of oil that freighter was carrying um and it fouled
Speaker 1: that coast for decades. So you know, this is again
Speaker 1: not new news, but I think that it's one of
Speaker 1: those things that people are starting to back up and
Speaker 1: realize to the extent to which it could be damaging.
Speaker 1: After all these eventually, any shipwreck, I mean, it's going
Speaker 1: to deteriorate to the to the to the state where
Speaker 1: stuff is gonna leak out, right, if there's something in
Speaker 1: there to leak. Uh. And and and then also you have
Speaker 1: cases where if something sinks in a into deep enough water,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have pressure that's going to crunch the hole
Speaker 1: down even more so, so a number of people are
Speaker 1: keeping trying to keep tabs on on on some of
Speaker 1: these tankers and uh, and try and evaluate what kind
Speaker 1: of a threat they pose, and in some cases something
Speaker 1: can be done about it. In two thousand three, the U. S.
Speaker 1: Navy successfully extracted fuel from a sunken World War two
Speaker 1: tanker off the coast of Micronesia, and they were actually
Speaker 1: able to recoup some of the costs by reselling the salvage. Doi. Okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, there are some cases where we can do
Speaker 1: something about it. But what do you do about the
Speaker 1: radioactive waste dumping? Right? Yes, radioactive shipwrecks were in many
Speaker 1: cases submarine rex There have been several of these of note,
Speaker 1: cases where a nuclear submarine or a submarine with you know,
Speaker 1: with nuclear capabilities, has sunk to the bottom of the ocean.
Speaker 1: Nineteen sixty three USS Thrasher off the coast of New England,
Speaker 1: UM n U S S Scorpion lost in the mid Atlantic.
Speaker 1: And then you've seen several different Soviet subs nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: November Class sub off the coast of Spain, eighty six
Speaker 1: off the coast of Ramuda, eighty nine off the coast
Speaker 1: of Norway, and then in two thousand of the Kursk
Speaker 1: again off the coast of Norway. Yeah. Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: you have the problem of Russia dumping radioactive waste into
Speaker 1: the Arctic Sea. UM while there have been some contested
Speaker 1: x because of course you've got um, you know, Russia
Speaker 1: saying no, this is not the case. And then you
Speaker 1: have other independent groups that have uh actually confirmed some
Speaker 1: of the data. What we do know for sure is
Speaker 1: that in the nineteen fifties the effluent from the nuclear
Speaker 1: weapons factory in there Chadovinsk was dumped into the river
Speaker 1: Ticha and it ended up in the Arctic Ocean. And
Speaker 1: then between nineteen sixty four and nineteen eighty six, some
Speaker 1: seven thousand tons of solid radioactive waste in sixteen hundred
Speaker 1: cubic meters of liquid waste was pitched into the car
Speaker 1: and Barren Sea from the base in Murmansk, which served
Speaker 1: the Soviet fleet um of nuclear powered naval and merchant ships. So,
Speaker 1: and you have also nuclear reactors from at least eighteen
Speaker 1: nuclear uh excuse me that eighteen nuclear reactor submarines and
Speaker 1: ice breakers which were dumped into the barren Sea in
Speaker 1: an entire nuclear sub which was sunk deliberately after an
Speaker 1: accident in May nineteen sixty eight. So just this is
Speaker 1: a very sort of scary area to be in, obviously,
Speaker 1: and a lot of its neighbors are not very happy
Speaker 1: that in Norway fishing industry obviously, I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I think, could we get a little bit more information,
Speaker 1: but this is what we know now, But some of
Speaker 1: this has been leaking out. Yeah, no pun intended, right.
Speaker 1: But another thing that's interesting about both the radioactive and
Speaker 1: the the oil based threats here or that they kind
Speaker 1: of feel like they're like the ghosts of a previous
Speaker 1: age that have come back to haunt us. In the
Speaker 1: case of the World War two vessels, they're like the
Speaker 1: remnants of a time when so many of the nations
Speaker 1: of the Earth were immersed in in global warfare, and
Speaker 1: certainly we we haven't gotten to the point where we
Speaker 1: have completely put aside the idea of of nuclear weapons.
Speaker 1: But it's worth noting that the scorpion, again this was
Speaker 1: and it's sunk under ten thousand feet of water about
Speaker 1: four hundred miles southwest of Azarez, and uh, it had
Speaker 1: to mark forty five anti submarine torpedoes. Those are nuclear torpedoes.
Speaker 1: They were designed by the United States to use against
Speaker 1: high speed, deep diving enemy submarines, which I mean, for
Speaker 1: those of you who keep up with the history of
Speaker 1: of nuclear armaments, that may make more sense to you,
Speaker 1: but for me, I somehow did not realize that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I knew that, you know, submarines have traditionally been given
Speaker 1: the role of of of becoming a mobile platform from
Speaker 1: which the launch intercontinental ballistic missiles and and deliver a
Speaker 1: nuclear payload from anywhere around the world virtually. But the
Speaker 1: idea that you could have one submarine using a nuclear
Speaker 1: weapon against another submarine in the same ocean as itself
Speaker 1: just completely blows my mind. Uh. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: that that we were, that we've been that stupid and
Speaker 1: in in in recent memory. You know, well, I think too.
Speaker 1: I mean some of this is that, um, you know,
Speaker 1: at the time that this was being enacted, that we
Speaker 1: were not really uh thinking about the future. Right, We're
Speaker 1: thinking seventy years from now, what's going to happen to this? Um?
Speaker 1: And I don't think that we have the understanding that
Speaker 1: we do now of the oceans are at least the
Speaker 1: tiny understanding of of what how important ocean life is
Speaker 1: to us, right and with the with the with the
Speaker 1: tankers and all the various vessels that were lost in
Speaker 1: the Second re War. I mean a lot of that
Speaker 1: was the war is going on. We gotta get stuff
Speaker 1: from point A to point B, defeat some troops. Gets
Speaker 1: get oil from point A to point B to uh
Speaker 1: to fuel these these aircraft these right, right. And not
Speaker 1: only is the uh you know, the oceans, the seas
Speaker 1: are and not only are these uh you know, seemingly
Speaker 1: limitless resources great dumping grounds. To write. Another case it's
Speaker 1: worth mentioning, is the Tybee Island mid air collision. Oh yeah, this,
Speaker 1: and of course Tybee Island is off the coast of
Speaker 1: our you know, real pretty out there coastal region near Brunswick, Georgia,
Speaker 1: which I always remember because a newspaper editor I used
Speaker 1: to work with came from there and journalism jobs. They
Speaker 1: would always have a listing for Brunswick, like they were
Speaker 1: constantly needing new editorial staff, and they always had a
Speaker 1: real fancy right up where they were like, come work
Speaker 1: by the beach, and it made it sound really awesome.
Speaker 1: But of course they were always looking for somebody, so
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, man, I bet it really sucks there.
Speaker 1: Well maybe that or they just really needed a lot
Speaker 1: of coverage for the Brunswick chili cookoffs. That's true, right,
Speaker 1: But but Tybee Island though, the fifty eight Air Force
Speaker 1: B forty seven strato jet was on a simulated combat
Speaker 1: mission when it collided with an F eight six Saber
Speaker 1: near Savannah, Georgia, and uh, the B forty seven was
Speaker 1: carrying one Mark fifteen hydrogen bomb without its core at
Speaker 1: the time of the accident. So this nuclear payload is
Speaker 1: lost and has never been found. Like at one point
Speaker 1: they thought they were. They they sort of had an
Speaker 1: idea of where it was based on some radioactive signatures,
Speaker 1: but then they just found that found out that the
Speaker 1: radioactive signature wasn't anything substantial, And they're like, well, that's
Speaker 1: not it. We don't know where it is, so it
Speaker 1: could be along at the bottom of the sea or not,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm hearing. Well someone's garage. Well yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean if you put it like that, it's maybe not.
Speaker 1: I mean it's down there somewhere, but yeah, but still,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's not it could be in
Speaker 1: someone's garage. Yeah. Yeah. It's like if someone someone were
Speaker 1: to say, I know I have a musket around the
Speaker 1: house here, but I really don't remember where I put it,
Speaker 1: or you know, it's like where did I put that
Speaker 1: hand grenade? Well, yeah, I mean it's like any sort
Speaker 1: of plot on TV or you know in the movies
Speaker 1: where you've got the gun, the smoking gun, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean that's essentially with that is so uh really giant,
Speaker 1: huge gun. Let's talk about this ocean and why it
Speaker 1: is such a mystery to us and why it's so
Speaker 1: important to us. Well, I mean for starters, it's most
Speaker 1: of the planet, yes, and uh, only that it is
Speaker 1: estimated has is unmapped is pretty important. There is actually
Speaker 1: more known about the Moon's surface than the ocean depths,
Speaker 1: so said aquatic filmmaker Fabian costUS. Of course, grandson of
Speaker 1: ocean diving pioneer Jacqusto and Um named his son Fabian.
Speaker 1: What you could say Fabian and prefer Fabian. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you if there's a Fabian out there, let
Speaker 1: us know how you prefer your name to be pronounced um.
Speaker 1: But it's thought that there are some points and where
Speaker 1: the ocean is more than thirty thousand feet deep, Okay,
Speaker 1: And you know they use this analogy that twelve men
Speaker 1: have stepped foot on the Moon, but only two people
Speaker 1: have been to the Mariana Trench, which is the deepest
Speaker 1: part of the ocean at roughly seven miles deep. And
Speaker 1: if you were to take like ship based sonar and
Speaker 1: other measurements, and you were to map such a small
Speaker 1: percentage of the ocean floor, it would take a single
Speaker 1: ship two hundred years or ten ships twenty years to
Speaker 1: measure all the ocean floor depths. And this is according
Speaker 1: to the U. S. Navy. So I bring that up
Speaker 1: only because, um, you know, we really don't understand what
Speaker 1: is beneath the surface of the water. Yeah. And in fact,
Speaker 1: I mean there are things like undersea waterfalls that we've
Speaker 1: recently discovered um lakes tools lebrine pools are particularly interesting
Speaker 1: where it basically it looks this thick layer of of
Speaker 1: of salty water just setting down there on the bottom
Speaker 1: and uh, and it looks like a set like it
Speaker 1: really throws your perception off because it looks like a
Speaker 1: lake on the on the on the floor of the
Speaker 1: ocean like that. There's a slight you know, color and
Speaker 1: gleaming difference. Right, so people, I don't understand how deep
Speaker 1: is that? What is that? What's underneath that? Um So
Speaker 1: there's and then of course extremophiles, which we've learned about
Speaker 1: hydrothermal fence. There are all sorts of really incredible things
Speaker 1: that we have found. And there's this great marine biologist
Speaker 1: named Sylvia Earle, who is, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: two people to have dived down to the depth of
Speaker 1: fifty feet more than fifty years ago. And she says
Speaker 1: that it's absolutely scandalous that we've yet to dive past
Speaker 1: the depths of the ocean skin because that's what she's
Speaker 1: calling in this cyr analogy. And she says that there's
Speaker 1: in fact one little blue green bacterium that's responsible for
Speaker 1: the oxygen in one of every five breaths you take
Speaker 1: the oxygen, which is amazing. And she's saying, this is
Speaker 1: the kind of information that we just didn't know, you know,
Speaker 1: five years, ten years, twenty years ago, how important the
Speaker 1: ocean's ecosystem is to our existence, or sixty or seventy
Speaker 1: years ago when we were sinking ship after ship and
Speaker 1: exactly exact. Yeah, And she was on the panel at
Speaker 1: the World Science Festival in twos and ten, and uh
Speaker 1: there they talked about coral to being the longest living
Speaker 1: organism at four thousand years old and also one of
Speaker 1: the slowest growing organisms, which I think we all know. Um,
Speaker 1: but they're basically saying that the trawlers are scraping the
Speaker 1: bottom of the ocean and clear cutting the coral, which
Speaker 1: we know now is a cornerstone of the ocean's ecosystem.
Speaker 1: So uh, now consider that that statistic about how into
Speaker 1: our action is derived from the ocean, and consider you know,
Speaker 1: how important coral is to see life and how we
Speaker 1: are clear cutting it. And it's very interesting, And they
Speaker 1: make the point in the panel, um, if you were
Speaker 1: to do the same thing to our sky, the same
Speaker 1: sort of trawling through the air. You know, can you
Speaker 1: imagine the sort of wreckage that you would incur. I mean,
Speaker 1: you would scoop up in your nets, you know, some birds, trees, people, cars,
Speaker 1: You would be clear cutting a lot of of life
Speaker 1: in that way. So when you when they put it
Speaker 1: in that perspective, you can really kind of see how
Speaker 1: important it is that we we think differently about the
Speaker 1: ocean and the way we approach it. All right, So
Speaker 1: there you go, sunken dangerous. Yeah, I think about that
Speaker 1: next time you're you're surfing. We're out in the ocean,
Speaker 1: just enjoying the beautiful weather and the scenery. Yeah. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: hey robot, why don't you bring us some listener mail
Speaker 1: and we'll get to that portion of the episode. See
Speaker 1: what we have here, all right, we heard from a
Speaker 1: listener by the name of Corey. Corey writes in and
Speaker 1: Corey's email was was rather lengthy, so we're kind of
Speaker 1: skipping around in it. Yeah, very interesting, but a bit
Speaker 1: too long for reading all of it. And this comes
Speaker 1: off we did the episode about martyrs in which we
Speaker 1: were talking about um about pain, relationship with pain, and uh,
Speaker 1: we didn't really go much into the idea. I think
Speaker 1: we just briefly mentioned, Oh yeah, there are people that
Speaker 1: are straight edge. I wonder how that factors. But into it,
Speaker 1: straight edge individuals, of course, they don't take drugs or alcohol,
Speaker 1: and they kind of have a make it part of
Speaker 1: their their lifestop choice, and they're going to avoid these temptations, right,
Speaker 1: even if you know, obviously something that that stopped short
Speaker 1: of death. Right, they're going to try to avoid any
Speaker 1: sort of medications. And so I was curious. I figured, hey,
Speaker 1: we probably have some straight edge listeners out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: just based on our demographic and our number of listeners,
Speaker 1: that stood reason that they were there listening. And they
Speaker 1: were because Corey writes in says, Hello, Robert and Julie.
Speaker 1: First off, love you guys. Keep doing what it is
Speaker 1: you do so well. Now, in regard to your question
Speaker 1: about a correlation between being straight edge and pain tolerance,
Speaker 1: I can't speak to any case studies or anything, but
Speaker 1: my my personal experience being straight edge might imply a
Speaker 1: greater pain tolerance. Um. They and they. Corey points out
Speaker 1: that the they say, for the majority of my life,
Speaker 1: I was very strictly a straight edge. Uh. When I
Speaker 1: was three, I suffered a serious concussion that fractured my
Speaker 1: skull and left me unconscious for the better part of
Speaker 1: two days. In the aftermath of this injury, I suffered
Speaker 1: headaches for close to a decade and have more than
Speaker 1: my fair share of them today. I have had several
Speaker 1: broken bones, frostbite real Minnesota frostbite where your flesh turns
Speaker 1: black and dyes, fractures, uh, wildly painful cysts, and migrains,
Speaker 1: to name a few of my great epics in pain tolerance.
Speaker 1: It seems to me people go to a great deal
Speaker 1: of effort to avoid pain, but in reality, pain has
Speaker 1: little to no consequence. It is not like emotional trauma
Speaker 1: that can haunt you for decades and decades. Pain hit,
Speaker 1: it hurts, and it's forgotten almost as fast as it comes.
Speaker 1: In fact, it's really hard to relive a physical pain,
Speaker 1: So why do people try to try so hard to
Speaker 1: avoid it or even fear it so much? Also, I
Speaker 1: have a close friend whom is who is straight edge. UH.
Speaker 1: This guy has a pain tolerance. We go rock climbing
Speaker 1: together and and I'm frequently amazed at how long he
Speaker 1: can hold very very painful holks. I have seen him
Speaker 1: support his entire weight on a finger jam which is
Speaker 1: essentially jamming your fingers into a crack in the rock
Speaker 1: and getting into stick. Some finger jams are not that
Speaker 1: big a deal, but this particular finger jam was in
Speaker 1: a place where the rocks were very sharp and not
Speaker 1: well suited to finger jamming. It's the sort of finger
Speaker 1: jam that rips the skin and uh leaves a little
Speaker 1: indented cuts where the rock digs in. And this guy
Speaker 1: practically did a one hand pull up with just the
Speaker 1: support of that fingerjam. He is crazy tough, trust me.
Speaker 1: In conclusion, I wonder if having a low paint tolerance
Speaker 1: may actually be a contributing factor in the body chemistry
Speaker 1: that leads to addiction or vice versa. Maybe the body
Speaker 1: chemistry that supports high paint tolerance has an effect which
Speaker 1: reduces to the draw to substances that alter physiological states.
Speaker 1: Because I just prefer sober Corey to alter Corey for
Speaker 1: no other fact than I can't imagine a me that's
Speaker 1: better than I already am. What do you guys think, Well,
Speaker 1: that's a very positive way to look at it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that actually moved me than I already Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had never thought about that. In terms of alcohol
Speaker 1: or drug use, or anything like that. They're altering yourselves
Speaker 1: even with say caffeine. Right. Um, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: He makes an interesting point. I was just thinking about. Uh.
Speaker 1: I mean, I had a drug free, epidural free birth,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to say that it was you know,
Speaker 1: a cake walk or anything, but it's not something that
Speaker 1: it's not a pain that haunts me. Um. Of course
Speaker 1: I have you know, positive emotions about it because it
Speaker 1: was worth my daughter, so I haven't attached it to
Speaker 1: sort of negative consequences, but you know, it's not something
Speaker 1: I try to relive or uh. And it was momentarian
Speaker 1: and gone. So it's it's interesting. I've been fortunate to
Speaker 1: not have too many pain based encounter but I find
Speaker 1: that like the few things that I have suffered, like
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, cutting myself, stopping vegetables and that,
Speaker 1: well paper cuts too much, lesser extent, but but they
Speaker 1: the thing that makes me WinCE when I think about
Speaker 1: them is thinking about, like WHOA, I was kind of
Speaker 1: careless when it was cutting up a potata. That's why
Speaker 1: I cut myself. Imagine had I could have the cut
Speaker 1: been deeper, Imagine if I hit you know, my wrist
Speaker 1: or something instead of my palm, So it tends to
Speaker 1: be that kind of thing for me. Well, also, chronic
Speaker 1: pain is really debilitating for people to and that that
Speaker 1: enters into a different territory where you have to sort
Speaker 1: of feedback loop with your body, which would probably be
Speaker 1: really interesting territory for us to get into it. At
Speaker 1: the point of the podcast, we did do one a minute,
Speaker 1: we did, but what we haven't really talked about the
Speaker 1: feedback loop and um, it's sort of just you know,
Speaker 1: when we have long term pain, um, and how you
Speaker 1: can actually some doctors say you can reroute at can
Speaker 1: you can stop that feedback loop? Okay, well yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I know we touched on it before, but yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: we should do a more in depth look at it.
Speaker 1: In any case, Thank you, cor Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: that's exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for,
Speaker 1: just you know, to see what people that have this
Speaker 1: particular view on life and pain, or or specifically on
Speaker 1: on drugs and alcohol, what their take on pain is.
Speaker 1: So so thanks for writing it. And if you would
Speaker 1: like to share something with us, how can you go
Speaker 1: about it? Well, uh, there's this thing called Facebook, and
Speaker 1: we are on Facebook and stuff to blow your mind.
Speaker 1: You can do a little search there for us on
Speaker 1: that particular website, which I hear is really taken hold
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