1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: Four beautiful young college students massacred, slaughtered, some sleeping in 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: their beds. We're talking about the slaughter University of Idaho students. 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: The case unsolved, the murder weapon not found, the killer 4 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: on the loose. I mean, see Grace, this is crime Stories. 5 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation 6 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: and Serious X one eleven. First of all, take a 7 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at the Today Show. The most 8 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: pressing facts are still a mystery, no murder weapon, no motive, 9 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: not even a suspect description. Devastating for the families of 10 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: Xana kernodle Ethan Chapin, Mattie Mogan, and Keiley Gonzalvis, prying 11 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: for justice in their grief. Turn yourself in. You owe 12 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: it to these mothers of these children, these fathers, families. 13 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: You're wrong yourself in. And so far, the police say 14 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: that they've received about five hundred tips, and they're asking 15 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: for even more tips from the public, from anybody that 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: knows where these victims were the night before they were killed. 17 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: But right now, the biggest lead seems to be that 18 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: large fixed blade weapon, possibly a combat night. Let me 19 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: introduce to you an all star panel to makes sense 20 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: of what we know right now, But first I want 21 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: to go to Audrey Conklin, investigative reporter with Fox and 22 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: News Digital. Audrey, thank you for being with us. This 23 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: of course went down on the edges of the University 24 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: of Idaho along Greek Row at off campus housing. What 25 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: do we know about the area. We know that everything 26 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: is very close by. All of the places where each 27 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: of the four student victims were the night before the 28 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: murders and the early morning one into are all very 29 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: close together. You could even walk to each of the places. 30 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: I don't think they did, because at least two of 31 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,399 Speaker 1: them were driven home by a private party. But they're 32 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: all very quick together. You know that's significant. That puts 33 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: things in an entirely different light. Now, Jose's got Morgan 34 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: with me, Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University and author of 35 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon Strava hit series Body 36 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. If most people walk to 37 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: where they are going, Joe Scott that tells me to 38 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: kill are probably walked there too. Yeah. And you know 39 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: when you look at this place, Nancy, it's got very 40 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: specific points of access. There's a big bank of windows 41 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: in the back of this house on essentially a second level. 42 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: It's kind of built into the side of a hill. 43 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: Looks like a split level. It does, and you can 44 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: assess the place from a long ways away but still 45 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: have cover. I think that's significant, and you could only 46 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: do that on foot. You know, that's interesting that we're 47 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: I just wonder sometimes, Joe Scott, if cops do the 48 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 1: same thing I did as a prosecutor, like we're doing 49 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: right now, sitting around and discussing and talking about possibilities. Again, 50 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: when you look at this house, I'm looking at it 51 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: right now, it looks like a split level. There is 52 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: what would you say, huge timbers holding up what appears 53 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: to be a wraparound patio or a little porch that 54 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: goes around the back, which would be very easy to 55 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: get on. When you look at it, I'm looking at 56 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: the sliding glass doors. The father of one of the 57 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: victims stated that, And it's very apparent that there are 58 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: two points of entry. One is the front door, which 59 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: is only entered with a code. Got to know the 60 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: code to get in, a code like you would see 61 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: on an to a unit. You know what I mean, 62 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Where you punched in one two, three, four, 63 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: and the door will open. The other point of access 64 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,559 Speaker 1: would be that sliding glass door, which for time immemorial 65 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: has been a sweet spot for burglars. They're really easy 66 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: to get into and a lot of people leave them 67 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: a lot because they're painting the rear end a lock. 68 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: Yeah they are, and sometimes, you know, particularly college kids, 69 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: you'll forget to do stuff like that. But can I 70 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 1: draw your attention back to that door that has the keypad, 71 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: if FoST can find a static picture that just that 72 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: standalone static photo. And if you look to the left, 73 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: there is a road, a tiny road that runs up 74 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: the hill. Now, yesterday they had the police out there 75 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: taking a look at tire tracks or burn marks essentially 76 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: on the road. Do you know there's a tree line 77 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: right there. You can park adjacent to that and walk 78 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: through the tree line and get access to that top level. 79 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,559 Speaker 1: So it will provide cover to get to that second 80 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: floor that you're talking about that kind of has the balcony, 81 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: the decking area. It's kind of built into the ground. 82 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: It's real interesting the way the whole thing's construction said. 83 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: Burn marks, What do you mean by that, Well, it 84 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: looks like someone you can kind of see the skid 85 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: marks in the road, like somebody has burned rubber in 86 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: that area, scratched off. Yeah, they have, And I really 87 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,679 Speaker 1: wonder if they went out there and took rubber samples 88 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,679 Speaker 1: as well off of those tracks that were left behind. 89 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: But here's the problem. There is absolutely no control of 90 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: the crime scene. When they got the call, everybody was 91 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: looking around, and Joe, you would know this. It's really 92 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: hard to keep people, particularly people of rank, from going 93 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 1: up and looking and seeing the bodies and those sorts 94 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: of things, and so the crime scene has been contaminated 95 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: very beginning of this case. Guys, you're hearing Dale Carson, 96 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: high profile lawyer joining us out of Jacksonville, and I'm 97 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: just lawyer. This is why he's critical today. He's former FBI, 98 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: former lease officer and author. You can find him at 99 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: del Carson Law dot com, Audrey Joe Scott, Dell Carson 100 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: and also with us someone we lean on a lot, 101 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: doctor Jorry Cross, and psychologists joining us faculty Saint Leo University, 102 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: research consultant and author of Operation SSS. Guys, please jump 103 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: in whenever you have a thought like Dell just did, 104 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: and like Joe Scott brought up those rubber marks where 105 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: somebody scratched off near the home. Is that connected? Don't know? 106 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: Half must investigate. What are they doing right now? And 107 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: what have we learned? I want you to take a 108 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: listen to the county coroner, Kathy Mabbott. Most of them 109 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: had just like one that was so lethal stabund Yes, 110 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: can you describe what that one might have been? Fatal 111 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: ones were to the chess area or the upper body area? 112 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: Were there? And I only ask this because it sometimes 113 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: determines what kind of a crime. This was a crime 114 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: of passion, a random crime, fight, a struggle? Was there 115 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: were any of them slashed? Were any of their next cut? 116 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: Or were these all puncture ones? Well it was a 117 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: pretty large nine, so it's really hard to call them 118 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: puncture wounds. And they were definitely stabbings. And I mean 119 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: it has to be somebody that's pretty angry in order 120 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: to stab. For people to hearing our friends over at 121 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: News Nation just got morgan. I got a problem. Okay, 122 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: I got a lot of problems, but one of them 123 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: is that Kathy Mabbett, who I'm sure is a fine person, 124 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: is a registered nurse right for it, who has a 125 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: degree a BS and political science and a law degree 126 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: from the University of Idaho that she got in I 127 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: believe two thousand and six could have been two thousand 128 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: and one. Did you hear me? A registered nurse with 129 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: a law degree and a degree in political science. All 130 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: those things, each of themselves, are spectacular feats. Okay, really 131 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: hard to do all that, But we need a trained 132 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: medical examiner to look at the wounds, and also not 133 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: to disseminate information until it has been determined by a 134 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: medical doctor, and possibly not even then do I have 135 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: to say Delphi. Look, I want to know the information 136 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: just like everybody else, but this is not the time 137 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: to be releasing information about the wounds of the victims. 138 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: Because if the killer is watching TV, what's he going 139 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: to do right now? He's going to take that fixed 140 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: blade knife and get rid of it, is going to 141 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: clean it and get rid of it because so much 142 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: information is being leaked and information critical to the case, 143 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: and there's no central point of control where it. This 144 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: is what really struck me about her interview, and she 145 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: had given one prior to the one that we just 146 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: listened to, is that she made a statement before the 147 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: police ever made a statement. I mean an open statement 148 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: where they gave an interview no offense, but shut your piehole, lady, 149 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: go ahead, No, yeah, and so that's that's a bit different. 150 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of this goes and 151 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm not disparaging the jurisdiction up there. I think a 152 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: lot of this goes to a lack of a lack 153 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: of experience that they that they might have would deal 154 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: with mass fatalities like this. And something you know, people 155 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: don't think this can happen in your town is and 156 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: it does. It truly does. Evidence here and it all 157 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: everything demonstrates that you have to be on the same 158 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: sheet of music, have had a point of control for 159 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: all information it's coming in, and it's called a command center. 160 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: You're right, Del Carson. One of the noticeable things is 161 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: when you do crime scenes like this, you've got to 162 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: cover everything to prevent the environment from despoiling it. I 163 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: haven't seen one covered area, particularly in the back of 164 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:21,239 Speaker 1: the property, where it's likely this individual stood and surveyed 165 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: the house from perhaps a protected period of time. And 166 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: that's why the assaults were on the upper floor. Time 167 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, the assaults are on two floors. 168 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: We know that there were two bedrooms on each floor. 169 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: We know that two of the victims are on the 170 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: second floor, two of the victims are on the third floor, 171 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: and the other two roommates to survive we're on the 172 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: first floor, which could be considered you know, look at it, 173 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, an above ground basement. It's a split level house. 174 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: You've got the entry point there on the bottom with 175 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: the key code. Then the back kind of is built 176 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: into the side of a little bill. You got to 177 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: look at this place to get it. So at first 178 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: I thought, wow, the two surviving roommates are on the 179 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: bottom floor, so the port patch of walk up three floors. 180 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: He could have very well entered through that sliding glass door, 181 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: which would have put him at an upper level. Yes, no, 182 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Yes, you're absolutely right. I think he came 183 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: into the sliding glass door. The more I'm reasoning it through, 184 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: look at the house guarantee you came through that sliding 185 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: glass store, although a lot of people seemingly had the 186 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: code to that front door. Guys, take a listen now 187 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: to our cut forty our friensic k r E and 188 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: new details emerging. New details are emerging in the stabbing depths, 189 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: so for you Unversity of Idaho Students. Tonight, the Layta 190 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: County Corner says the four students were likely asleep, some 191 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: had defensive wounds in each victim was stabbed multiple times. 192 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: Authorities found no sign of sexual assault. Moscow Police say 193 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: at this point in the investigation, they do not believe 194 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: the two surviving roommates or the man seen standing near 195 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: a local food truck were involved in the murders. Police 196 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: also address rumors swirling online claiming the victims were gagged 197 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: and tied, saying those are not accurate and the identity 198 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: of the nine one one caller has not been released. Okay, 199 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: we do know, Audrey Conklin joining us I investigated. Reporter 200 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: with Fox News Digital, Audrey, we are learning more about 201 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: the person that call on nine one one. Now correct 202 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, Auge, but I think that one 203 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: of the roommates that survived. To surviving roommate tried to 204 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: wake up one of the victims. The victim wouldn't wake up. 205 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: The surviving roommate calls a friend says, hey, I think 206 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: she's passed out. He or she is passed out. They 207 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: came over. They realized she's not passed out, she's dead. 208 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: They call nine one one, police get there and they 209 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: find the other three vic can that's my understanding. What 210 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: do you know, Audrey, I haven't heard about one of 211 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: the roommates trying to wake up one of the victims. 212 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: But what I can see happening, and this is speculative, 213 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: but maybe the roommates, who we now know lived on 214 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: the first floor of the house boma or heard something 215 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: that frightened them, you know, that morning, maybe without seeing 216 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: the victims themselves, maybe they saw blood, Maybe they saw 217 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: or heard something that was, you know, not unusual in 218 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: that household, so they called friends over to check out 219 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: the situation. Those friends may have seen a victim in 220 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: their bed not moving, which I think would make the 221 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: unconscious person report makes sense. And they called police from 222 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: one of the roommate's phone. That's right, because one of 223 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: the surviving roommate's cell phone was used to call nine 224 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: one one, but apparently it was not the surviving roommate. 225 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: Your construction of effects makes perfect sense, Audrey. Guys, take 226 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Kyle Simchek. Detectives say they've 227 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: received nearly five hundred tips, which are being processed, investigated, 228 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: and cleared. Thirty eight people who may have information about 229 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: the murders have been interviewed. The whereabouts of the killer 230 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: and the knife used are still unknown. Detectives sees the 231 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: contents of three dumpsters on King Road to look for evidence. 232 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: Police have also gone to local businesses to see if 233 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: anyone recently purchased a fixed blade knife. Anyone who saw 234 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: something suspicious, has video surveillance, or can provide relevant information 235 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: about the murders is asked to call the Moscow Police Department. 236 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: Jessica Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics Jacksonviall State University. A 237 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: fixed blade lot knife as opposed to france as a switchblade. 238 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: It's not fixed, immovable in the hilt, or a pen 239 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: knife that folds out. A fixed blade knife is certainly 240 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: going to be the weapon because it's more sturdy, and 241 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: we know that these are very deep stab wounds. Explain, Yeah, 242 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: they're very very robust. I would imagine in their appearance 243 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: that means that the width of the knife, and you 244 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: know it had been mentioned earlier they use the term 245 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: puncture one. That's not a puncture one. This is going 246 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: to be a big open wound where the knife is 247 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: introduced into the body specifically, and I think one of 248 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: the reasons they're drawing this conclusion. I remember they keep 249 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: saying military style. I think that perhaps what happened there 250 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: is a hilt guard. That's that little bar that goes 251 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: across the handle that separates the blade from the handle 252 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: horizontally across the knife. Yeah, and so I think, and 253 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: most military style knives have those. We can see actually 254 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: a bruise called a hilt bruise lots of times when 255 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: this is driven into the body. That might be where 256 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: they're drawing that conclusion from. They've used the term kbar, 257 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: which is generally associated with Marine Corps a combat knife. 258 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: I don't know that for a fact, but it had 259 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: that name has been thrown around. Our marines have used 260 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: that since World War Two. I've heard that too to 261 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: doctor joy Cross and joining US psychologists and faculty Saint 262 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: Leo University also author doctor joy question, think about it. 263 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: This is between three and four in the morning, and apparently, Jackie, 264 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: I read that one of the victims was making calls 265 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: up until two fifty eight. Two fifty eight, did you 266 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: see that? Did you see that, Audrey, that one of 267 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: the victims is on the phone at two fifty eight, 268 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: Yet police believe that she was on the phone right 269 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: before the murders are estimated to have happened. Yeah, how 270 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: is she asleep two minutes later? Very curious timing, but 271 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: that's got to have been established by phone records or 272 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: someone that spoke it could look at their phone and go, yeah, 273 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: it was two fifty eight. Also, we know that one 274 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: of the girls continually called an ex boyfriend Jack. They 275 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: shared custody of a dog. I guess is one way 276 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: to put it, And we may even maybe even reconciling 277 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: that said Jack has been ruled out by the family, 278 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: whether it's a floury of phone calls to the friend 279 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: Jack right before the murders. So the last calls at 280 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: two fifty eight, and they're placing the murders between three 281 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: and four a m. Two minutes later, Yet they say 282 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: the victims were in bed and likely asleep. To doctor 283 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: Jerry Crawsen joining us, the thinking of this perp to 284 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: go from floor to floor. If the murders were targeted, 285 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: why kill four? Wouldn't it likely be one of the 286 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: victims was targeted, Yes, it could be, but then the 287 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: others just become collateral like witnesses. But also you know, 288 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: with a personality a frenzy attack, you know, once they 289 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: start the killing, then it just you know, the deviancy, 290 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,959 Speaker 1: it just produces that behavior to kill again. I'd be 291 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: real interested in knowing the sequence of who was killed 292 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: first or how the bodies were found. And you know, 293 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: I think you could pretty well determine if we knew that, 294 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: like who was killed, because Ethan the boy, the male, 295 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: seems like he would be one of the first to 296 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: be eliminated. He said that he was likely in the 297 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: same bedroom with a female, his girlfriend. Yeah, Ziah, so 298 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: let's think this through. Jell Carson just got Morgan jump in. 299 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: We're talking about this scenario, and it's really impossible to 300 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: determine based specifically on the bodies, which murder was first, 301 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: but other information could tell us that. But think about it. 302 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: The lights are out, you enter a house, you're going 303 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: to kill somebody. You have a specific target, and mind 304 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: you go into one room, it's not the target, but 305 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: you kill them anyway. And if you work it away 306 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: progressively and you can determine when you find the target, 307 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: the target's nighthing is going to be different. And one 308 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: of the things that you mentioned that's really peculiar to 309 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: me is that if someone calls and says somebody's unconscious 310 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: here that and they're dead. There's no way you can 311 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: stab somebody in the chest and really eviscerat them without 312 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: leaving a tremendous blood trail. So you don't call the 313 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: police and say, look, there's somebody unconscious, You say, there's 314 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: blood everywhere. Somebody's dead exactly. I'm drawn with that killings 315 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: were so instantaneous, which belies the argum I meant that 316 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: there are multiple sab woms. What about it, Joe Scott, Yeah, 317 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm thinking there is an outside possibility that science could 318 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: have the answer here. And this is what I believe. 319 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: If there is, if they are careful in collecting their evidence, 320 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: the person who was the first to be attacked will 321 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: have the least amount of others DNA on them. And 322 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: what I mean by that is once that night, assuming 323 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: of course, that they're using only one instrument, once that 324 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: blade is introduced into that first person's body, they withdraw 325 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: that blade. Okay, they now move over to the next 326 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: person and then reintroduce that blade into the next victim's 327 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: body and so forth and so on. You have what's yeah, 328 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: you have what's referred to as co mingling of blood 329 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: and certainly biological material DNA. So the person, if they 330 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: work their trace evidence right at the scene, the person 331 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: that has the least the least amount of DNA from 332 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: someone else, there's a higher likelihood that person could be 333 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: the first victim. Nancy, guys, take a listen to our 334 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: cut forty three. This is Sarah Robinson along with family members. 335 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 1: He says, Zanna was in constant communication with her family 336 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: and nothing about that night seemed unusual. The door lost, 337 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: with the number of code every time you open it, 338 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: How you go back to the how you go around 339 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: the house and getting in the house because the number 340 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: of codes. So they either knew that or they just 341 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: kind of went around and founded and slid over. The 342 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: father struggling to understand how this could have happened. Why, Zannah, 343 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: we were just hanging out at home. Yeah, Sannah was 344 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: her boyfriend. The code on the front door, the sliding 345 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: glass door on the side of the building, affixed to 346 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: a little patio, a kind of a wrap around patio. 347 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: What's the point of entry? Because they're you will find fingerprints, 348 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: and I say absolutely you will because this type of 349 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: frenzied attack is not conducive to the mind of a 350 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 1: killer who would wear gloves and then conduct four frenzied attacks. 351 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: That is inconsistent. What do we know investigators are doing 352 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: right now? They are retracing the steps two of the 353 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: victims who are a sportspar and then a food truck. 354 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: Two of the victims had been to a fraternity party 355 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: at the Sigma Kai house and then came back to 356 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: the residents on King Road. Why because they are looking 357 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: for suspects. Take a listen to Amanda Rowley at KREM. 358 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: Investigators believe Madison and Kayley were at the Corner Club 359 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: on Saturday from ten at pm to one thirty am 360 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: Sunday morning. Then they were at the grub truck on 361 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: Main Street at one forty am five minutes later. The 362 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: maps says they returned to their home on King Road. 363 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: Investigators also believe Ethan and Xano were at a party 364 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: at Sigma Kai from eight to nine pm Saturday night, 365 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: then returned to the King Road home at one forty 366 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: five am on Sunday. The hope is that someone might 367 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: remember being at or near these locations around the same 368 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: time and potentially saw something suspicious or relevant to the investigation. 369 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: Police are asking those people to call the tipline number 370 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: or email that information. The tip line is two zero 371 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: eight eight eight three seven zero five four repeat two 372 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: zero eight eight eight three seven zero four Dale. Is 373 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: that you, Jeff Fana? Go ahead? Yeah, Yeah, that's that's 374 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: just a dead end street. Look, the individual who murdered 375 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: these folks was laying in wait, backed up on the hill, 376 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: came in through that sliding glass door and perpetrated the crimes. 377 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: He has no association with other people, and you're likely 378 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: to find that the individuals either living in the woods, 379 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: like individuals in prior cases that that are not part 380 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: of polite society. They're not part of our society, and 381 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: you can see them. They're living homeless. They're different than us, 382 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: and they feel alienated from us, and that's one of 383 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: the driving features that causes them to injure us, aside 384 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: from any other psychological problem. What do you make of that? 385 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: To you, dot Jory Crossing, I agree with it, and 386 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: I think this person is going to be like a 387 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: transient person with no real ties to that community. You know, 388 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: in college towns. You know, they can blend in really 389 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: easy with the students, you know, and the people that 390 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: go unnoticed, being anonymous basically, and then just like they 391 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: are saying, you know, if they get a fixation stalking 392 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: or see a target and then they're gone, They're in 393 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: and out. Okay, Joe Scott Morgan, how does that jive 394 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: with police series and this was a targeted attack? Well, yeah, 395 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: I think that there's a chance that this individual has 396 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: been watching for a while. Again, I go back to 397 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: this idea of the points of observation. If they have 398 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: been tracking these girls. Listen, it would have been the 399 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: perfect environment that night, if they had been watching them 400 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: on any level, watching them go to parties. They're walking around, 401 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: remember when we saw that image at the food truck. 402 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: They're kind of jovial, laugh and cutting up. They'd been 403 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: out partying that night, and they were perfect targets at 404 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: that moment time for somebody that was looking to strike. 405 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: And again, brutally cold at night, this person feels comfortable 406 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: moving around in that environment. You saw everybody was wearing hoodies, 407 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: jackets and all that sort of thing. They would have 408 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: to be comfortable in that environment walking around, so that 409 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: might go to the point that they are transient, that 410 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: they're not part of polite society. We are learning more 411 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: and more about the timeline. That's the first thing you 412 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: do is trying to establish a timeline. Take her. Listen 413 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: to our friend. Zerene Shaw, a sister of one of 414 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: the four college students found murdered at an off campus 415 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: house near the University of Idaho, revealing new clues. So 416 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: I was able to get a pretty good timeline on 417 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: Kaylee and Mattie the night of from about ten fifteen 418 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: until shortly before three am, Olivia Gonzalvez says she discovered 419 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 1: at least six calls from her sister Kaylee's phone between 420 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: two twenty six and two fifty two, made to a 421 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: boyfriend in the early morning of November thirteenth. Detectives now 422 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: saying these phone calls are a part of their investigation. 423 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: The phone calls are critical because we know that Gonzalves 424 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: was up, Zanna was up at two fifty two a m. 425 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 1: Let me think that through two fifty two am. It 426 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: was Kael, not Zana car Noodle. Kelly was up at 427 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: two fifty two am on the phone. Yet Augie Coughlind 428 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: they're starting the timeline of their murders at three am, right, 429 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: So police have said that between three am and four 430 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: am is when the murders occurred. So they could have 431 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: been asleep, but yeah, phone activity shows that they were 432 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: up and trying to contact people right before the murders occurs. 433 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: It's very creepy to doctor Jerry Crawsen to know that 434 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: one of the victims, Kelly, is on the phone at 435 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: two fifty two am and the timeline says the murders 436 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: at three am. Could someone have been watching and when 437 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: the lights are turned off they enter the home. They 438 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: could have already been in the home, okay, and waiting, 439 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: you know, fling down, like hearing a conversation on the phone. Okay, 440 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: let the phone get hung up. You know one thing 441 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier about the weapon, and they were looking 442 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: and checking at the stores to see somebody. I would 443 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: think this individual, this weapon is really important to them. 444 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: I don't think they just went out and bought it. 445 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: I think they've had it for a while. This has 446 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: been part of that identity, if you lack for a 447 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: better psychological term, well, it is actually an identity every 448 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: time that we go camping, when we run into other 449 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: campers a lot, and it's usually men will have huge 450 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: hunting knives and sheets attached to their belts the way 451 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: people will attach like an iPhone or some other instrument 452 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: or tool to their belts. These knives are attached to them, 453 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: so that does speak to their identity. Yeah, and you 454 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: know here in the oh everybody carries a knife. They 455 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: got those clip on it. I don't know about that 456 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: because I don't know a single soul that carries a 457 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: knife other than the Scout troop leader, the man, not 458 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: the woman. Okay, well, you guys go ahead and carrie 459 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: an if that's your business, take a listen now to 460 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: Captain Roger Lanier with a Moscow police on the morning 461 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: of November thirteenth, at eleven fifty eight am. Nine one 462 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: one call was On the evening of November twelfth, Kaylee 463 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: Gonsalvez and Madison Wigan were at a local bar and 464 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: were later at a food truck in downtown Moscow. They 465 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: arrived home at approximately one forty five am. On the 466 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: morning of November thirteenth. Ethan Chapin and Zana Carnodle were 467 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: at the Sigma Kai House before also arriving home at 468 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: approximately one forty five AM. Two surviving roommates were also 469 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: out in the community, and they returned home at approximately 470 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: one m and did not wake up until later that morning. 471 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, right now, cops are 472 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: scouring the area for video surveillance. I'm talking about ring 473 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: doorbell cameras, stop light cameras, business surveillance video such as 474 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: at the corner bar where they were two of them 475 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: were that night at the food trucks where we spot 476 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: two of the victims at the food truck just before 477 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: their murders. Was that udal jump in. Look, they're gonna 478 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: find a sniper's hide up on the hill behind that house. 479 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: That's where their evidence is going to be. This person 480 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: has waited for them to come home. He didn't follow them. 481 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: He wasn't watching them and following behind him in a 482 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: car or on a BikeE He was waiting and that's 483 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: where the first investigation should have been conducted. Candidly. Now, 484 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: I taught serial killers for the Bureau for a number 485 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: of years. Those people had the patience of job. They 486 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: will wait and wait and wait until the opportunity is perfect. 487 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: From their perspective, what we've got to worry about, is 488 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: there's another pet that was killed and I handled a 489 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: case or was involved in a case involving that sort 490 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: of thing where the pets started going missing first, and 491 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: then there was a homicide that was directly connected to 492 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: the individual who was taking the pet hold on ag 493 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: Conklin joining us from Fox News Digital. Has a connection 494 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: been made in any way from a pet to the 495 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: quadruple murder. No connections have been made yet between any 496 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: kind of animal violence in the murders, but I'm sure 497 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: that something police are looking at. What about this theory, Audrey? 498 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: What about the theory that the purp came into the 499 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: home while everyone was gone? Every single person was out 500 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: of that home, All six were gone, the five roommates 501 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: and the boyfriend Ethan all gone. When they come home 502 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: and he's already in there and everybody starts settling down 503 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: to sleep. I wonder if it happened like that, or 504 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: Joe Scott did he enter after they were asleep through 505 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: that sliding class door? What do you think? You know? 506 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: First Blush, When I heard about this, I really had 507 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: thought that this guy was possibly laying in wait inside 508 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: the residence. I mean, he could be in there for 509 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: any reason, looking for food, looking for money, and looking 510 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: for something to steal, and then everybody starts coming home. 511 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: He may have thought they were hey, yeah, And you know, 512 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: it's like Dale was saying, is this is this individual 513 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: sole focus in life, perhaps his target. He can sit 514 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: there and he can sit there and wait and wait 515 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: because he's totally fixed on these individuals as targets or 516 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: maybe one of them that he's rode in on. And 517 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: it would not surprise me if they were to find 518 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: evidence within the house that he had been hiding somewhere 519 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: sequest or somewhere in that house and waiting for them 520 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: to come in. But we just we don't know. And 521 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: given the fact that that there was, it seems at 522 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: least that there may have been a lack of security 523 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: at the scene when processing. And look, you have to 524 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: say things are chaotic at the beginning with many times 525 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: like this. But it's it's troubling to me. I hope 526 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: they haven't missed something outside the house. The dog del 527 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: Carson is talking about high profile lawyer right at Jackson, 528 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: former fed with the FBI, A woman who lives near 529 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: the quadruple murder there in Idaho about three miles as 530 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: her little mini Australian shepherd had literally been filayed a 531 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: few weeks before the quadruple murder, making some people think 532 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: that the two are connected. Back to this, take a 533 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: listen to Chief James Fry, Detectives are looking to develop 534 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: any context content that would help us in this event. 535 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: Anyone who has observed any notable behavior, or has any 536 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: video surveillance, or can provide relevant information about these murders, 537 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: please call our tip line at two oh eight eight 538 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,720 Speaker 1: eight three seven one eight zero, or you can email 539 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 1: the tip line at and that is a tip line 540 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: at CI dot Moscow dot id dot us and more 541 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: from Captain Roger Lanier. Listen. On the morning of November thirteenth, 542 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: at eleven fifty eight, nine one one call was placed 543 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: to the Witcom Despatch center reporting an unconscious person. The 544 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: call originated from inside the residence and was made from 545 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 1: the phone of one of the surviving roommates. Moscow Police 546 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: Department officers responded and located four victims, two on the 547 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: second floor and two on the third floor. We're getting 548 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: a little clarification regarding who made the nine one one call. 549 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: Take a listen again to Chief James Fry. Gotti shorts. 550 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: NBC News just following up on the nine one one call, 551 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: you said that you don't believe that's the killer. Can 552 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: you conclusively rule out the person that called nine one 553 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: one from inside the home as a suspect in this case? 554 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: Can you aueads just ask that one more time? Please? Yeah, 555 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: the person that was inside the home that called nine 556 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: one one, that was not one of the roommates, can 557 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: you conclusively rule that person out as a suspect at 558 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,439 Speaker 1: this point, I don't think I said that it wasn't 559 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: one of the room. I said that it was used 560 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: with the roommate's phone. I believe somebody asked if that 561 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 1: wasn't the killer, and you say, no, no, that's correct. 562 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 1: Respond there was other friends that had arrived at the location. 563 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: So that goes back to what Audrey Coughlin from Fast 564 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: New Digital was telling us that one of the roommates 565 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: apparently couldn't wake up a victim. Maybe she just called 566 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: her through the door, I don't know, and then she 567 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: the surviving roommate, called friends over. The friends come over, 568 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: one of them uses roommates phone to call nine one one. 569 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot that's been made about who called nine 570 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: one one. It's a friend of the surviving roommate and 571 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: they have been ruled out as suspects along with the 572 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: surviving roommates. Here's more from Captain Rogers. Lanier investigators have 573 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: determined to two areas of interest within the city and 574 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: have provided maps which are on our Facebook page and 575 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: on our website, and these are areas that they have 576 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: canvassed for additional surveillance video and tips, and have contacted 577 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: several residents in the areas. The areas are generally south 578 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: of Taylor Avenue to Paulus River Drive in west of 579 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: Highway ninety five. Detectives have also canvassed several other neighborhoods 580 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: looking for evidence, looking for additional surveillance video, and contacting 581 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: residents and speaking to them to see if they may 582 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: have heard or seen something. Dude, you just got Morgan. 583 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 1: I think that what the police need to be doing 584 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: right now. And I've got it narrowed down to four 585 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: or five things. One looking for the suspects and retracing. 586 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: That would include Corner Claw where gone Salvas went, then 587 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: the grub truck and of course a Sigma Kai house 588 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: to look at all the rain cams, the doorbell cams, 589 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: a surveillance video, the DNA. There's no way that this 590 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,720 Speaker 1: scene could have played out the way it did without 591 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 1: fiber fingerprints, DNA hair and they're going to have to 592 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: use ancestral DNA lt Y because I believe that the 593 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: purp may not be in codis or aphis. They may 594 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: get a fingerprint or DNA at the scene, but then 595 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: I have anything to match it too, explain. Yeah, you know, 596 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I don't know that I 597 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: agree relative to fingerprints. I think that this person probably 598 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: has been an offender at some point in time, possible 599 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: if they can recover a late if they can recover 600 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: a latent print at that scene. And trust me, this 601 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: is an evidence rich environment. This place would have been 602 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: bathed in blood, Nancy. He's going to transfer a lot 603 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: of stuff, and he can total potentially have left bloody 604 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: fingerprints behind if he's not wearing clothes. And it's like 605 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: you said at the open, I don't know that this 606 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: guy is sophisticated enough to have shown up with gloves. No, 607 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 1: probably has a real, real desire to run his hands 608 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,359 Speaker 1: over the surfaces, I would imagine, so he's gonna leave 609 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:24,280 Speaker 1: something of himself behind. Absolutely, somewhere out there are bloody clothes, 610 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: bloody shoes. Yeah, one more thing I have to emphasize. 611 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,919 Speaker 1: As feverish as this was, Nancy, there is a high 612 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:36,399 Speaker 1: probability that this monster cut himself in these. He may 613 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: have left his DNA behind, commingled with the victim's DNA's word, 614 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: we wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace comes choice, signing 615 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 1: off goodbye friend.