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Speaker 1: My name is Celimma Masekela, and my main job is

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Speaker 1: storyteller of action sports culture. And then there are concentric

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Speaker 1: circles around their musician actor, you know, podcast hosts, things.

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Speaker 2: You do a lot of things, but that's because you're

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Speaker 2: you're a full creative. If someone said to you, how

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Speaker 2: would you describe your essence who you are as a person?

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Speaker 1: I am a person who I live for joy. My

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Speaker 2: When I first met Selemma, he was Sala changed. He

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Speaker 2: was not very happy with people calling him that name,

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Speaker 2: and there was a reason, there was a story behind it.

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Speaker 2: And years later when we well, no, let me let

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Speaker 2: me correct myself. When you first came into my universe,

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Speaker 2: you were working hosting X Games Extreme Sports on ESPN,

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Speaker 2: and you were working at EVI and Vice and you

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Speaker 2: were sal and then you and I met. I don't

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Speaker 2: remember exactly how we met. We met privately another time,

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Speaker 2: do you remember, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We met privately. And then the first time that we

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Speaker 1: World of Sports and ESPN was promoting it. Oh yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: and I came on this is when you were working

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Speaker 2: And you really like, I'm Selemma, I'm no longer sal

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Speaker 2: You corrected me. Walk me through that process. Why on

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Speaker 2: television you were soal? And then you're like, no, I'm

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Speaker 1: Not my soul. My government, if you will, is Seleemma,

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Speaker 1: Mabena Masekela. And my father came here to these United

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Speaker 1: where everybody's from someplace else, and everybody's got a name

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Speaker 1: reflective of where they are from, and you just learned

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Speaker 1: what And one like maybe four or five days into

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Speaker 1: being at the school, this kid walked after me. He's like, dude,

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Speaker 1: we figured it out. Bro, your Sal. And I was

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Speaker 1: like what. He's like, yeah, your Sal. And then literally

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Speaker 1: And when you're a kid and you're trying to like

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Speaker 1: And when I got to ESPN and I started doing

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Speaker 1: the X Games, they used to font me as Celemma.

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Speaker 1: People would call me Sal, but I was like, it

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Speaker 1: Backstage, he's like, hey, so here's the thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: He literally said, they see this thing on the screen,

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Speaker 2: He goes, Oh my god, sal Masekella.

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Speaker 1: long story short, it was it was around the time

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Speaker 1: telling them like, it's not a discussion anymore. It's Celemma

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Speaker 1: from herer now.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it was even before then when you

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Speaker 2: No more, No more going back and forth, no more

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Speaker 2: playing both sides. I am fully Celemma.

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Speaker 1: During the Vice During the Vice Show was the soft

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Speaker 1: Also like standing in the entirety of my name, like

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Speaker 1: And you know, for some people like but it's just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yours, and it has meaning and history and

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Speaker 2: if you're not even marginalized, but to be honest, especially

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Speaker 2: if you're black, brown, othered, you have had that conversation

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you are even aware that you

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Speaker 2: do this, but I feel like, across all brands, whether

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Speaker 1: I think there were many times listen, I'm a Jedi

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Speaker 2: What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the way I grew up and

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Speaker 1: as I'm sure you've gotten a million times. Oh my god, Gerry,

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Speaker 2: You're just so eloquent.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be able to do so much with you.

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Speaker 2: But it's interesting because sports is supposed to unify us.

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Speaker 1: show people like, Hey, the reason why you don't see

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Speaker 2: still feel like you have to code switch? Some odd

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's it's so cool to I say all that

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Speaker 2: H Why is it more difficult when it's from us?

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Speaker 2: imagine do you find it hard to date the black girls?

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Speaker 2: What is it? What is the test? What do you

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm not sure what it is? You know?

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Speaker 2: Do you have to do you have to go to

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Speaker 1: like this isn't I'm not saying that that I don't

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Speaker 2: Because if we all ultimately become in your world, familiar

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're so upset about injustice more so than and

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Speaker 2: you ever felt like you needed to correct the perception

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Speaker 2: or the misunderstanding of who you are to anyone that

431
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Speaker 2: was black?

432
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Have ever felt like I needed to? I'll put

433
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Speaker 1: it to you like this, I've never been I've been

434
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Speaker 1: in my career for twenty five years. I've worked at

435
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: all the levels and I never got invited to any

436
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: of the na A CP awards or the functions. And

437
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: you know those those are the there's time. Yes, those

438
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, I would like to. Hey, you know, those

439
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: are the those are the weird type feelings where you're like,

440
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: I've never gotten to I never get invited to the functions,

441
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, the functions where we celebrate the all the

442
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: diverse manners in which we are, you know, running things

443
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: and culturally, and yeah, those are the times where I'm like, hey, guys,

444
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: I'm here too, Can I can I can I come

445
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: to the function? Those are the little times like I

446
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: can't even believe I said that out loud, because I've

447
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: never said that to anybody, But it's.

448
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: A common feeling. It is a common Yeah, people who

449
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: are in front of the camera, behind the scenes, they

450
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: say that about the NAACP, that it's an exclusive club

451
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 2: and they only let certain people in. We have that problem.

452
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: I don't mind critiquing the culture. I don't mind us

453
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how we can be better. That

454
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: is a very honest critique and a shared sentiment. Just

455
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: so we are clear, Yeah, okay.

456
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: Well that makes me feel better. And I think in

457
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: this now time, especially as the spiciness of of of

458
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: unvarnished white supremacy is showing up and people are feeling

459
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: real comfortable from the tops of government all the way across,

460
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: like we've never needed to open up and really accept

461
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: the entirety of us and band together and play in

462
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: the diversity of our strengths more.

463
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Speaker 2: Than now, you want to say. Back in June of

464
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: last year, UH took to the GRAM and you talked

465
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: about how you lost a thousand followers speaking of how

466
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: we need to show up today and be who we

467
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: are unapologetically, especially in this pro white culture that we're

468
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: living in under this administration.

469
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: You you said that was eloquently put pro white.

470
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: Culture just exactly what it is. Yes, And so you

471
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: went to Instagram and you said, for those who follow me,

472
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: assuming a lot of your followers aren't necessarily black, because

473
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: you do talk about extreme sports, You do cover a

474
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: variety of sports that would make other people feel othered

475
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: if they weren't white. And you and you had feelings

476
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: about ice and what was happening across this country, and

477
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: you said you lost a thousand followers and in a day.

478
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thrilled, and then I lost a bunch.

479
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: More So, what was what did you say in that

480
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: speech that three that it was a three minute soliloquy.

481
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: If you will and you got over a million views. What,

482
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: in short, what were you trying to accomplish?

483
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 4: I think I was trying to say, Hey, I don't

484
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 4: understand how you can be for this like I was.

485
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: I was trying to say, if you're surprised at how

486
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 4: I'm would stand up for brown people, for disenfranchised people,

487
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 4: if you're just now recognizing that this.

488
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Speaker 1: Is me after all these years, that this is what

489
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: I stand on, and if if your love for me

490
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: was only based in the commonality of a love for

491
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: this little thing that that we both share in common,

492
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: that you were never interested in me extended e. You

493
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: were never interested in me in the first place. This

494
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: is what I am about. And if you don't like that,

495
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: then yes, by all means smash that unfollowed button and

496
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: then all of us. And I didn't expect anything other

497
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: than like I was just I was also getting the

498
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: very aggressive dms, and sometimes those can be the worst,

499
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's from people that you know where someone

500
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: said to me one of those dms, I can't believe

501
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: that this is what you that you are posting about.

502
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: You know, it just shows your unappreciation for how much

503
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: we let you in to be the person that you

504
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: are in our sport and in our culture within Action sports.

505
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: I get those all the time, unappreciative, hard are bet?

506
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: How dare you? And then you know, I woke up

507
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: the next day and I had like, I don't know,

508
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: seventy five thousand followers and Jack Black and all these

509
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: other people reposting the ship and I was like, wait what,

510
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: I was just crashing out that. But yeah, it's very

511
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: very strange and a reminders sometimes like when you stand

512
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: in your whole self and express yourself and don't try

513
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: to play pretend you, that's when you really get to

514
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: actually connect with people in this very weird sphere that

515
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: is this experiment of social media.

516
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a weird place to be. But I

517
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: am curious if you receive those dms from people who

518
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: were not necessarily peers, colleagues, fans with a hard R,

519
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: did it make you think, Oh, I have been hanging

520
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: out with racists or I have been I have been

521
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: unknowingly or maybe knowing, catering to racists by simply just

522
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: enjoying a sport. Action Sports.

523
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: The last five years has been varying degrees of realization

524
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: of that fact that yes, I have been unknowingly catering

525
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: to racists because we have a shared love for a

526
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: certain thing. And then the second you deviate from what

527
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: very definition of you is supposed to be, it's like, no,

528
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: but I thought you were just like me. I didn't,

529
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, you get a lot of like, I've never

530
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: seen your color, bro, and now you're talking about your color,

531
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: You're the racist. I had a guy telling me recently,

532
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: screaming at me at the beach, this guy who used

533
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: to make my shapeboard shape my surfboards, who I called

534
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: out because he was seeing some real racist shit around

535
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: George Floyd. I was like, Yo, it was just screen

536
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: shot the ship send like is this you? What is

537
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: this about? Do you want to talk about this? And

538
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: he was he was the one who said that thing

539
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: to me. I said earlier. It's like, I just can't

540
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: believe that you people would make this drug addict who

541
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: clearly was not a good person, your martyr. This is

542
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: in a text and I was like, do you know

543
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: the definition of martyr? A martyr is a person who

544
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: chooses to sacrifice their life to stand up for something

545
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: that they believe in. They're willing to give their stay

546
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: in place and not run in order to stand on

547
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: what they believe in. That's that's a martyr. A and B.

548
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 5: I said to him, what level of acceptable acceptable Negro

549
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 5: would be good enough for you to watch get murdered

550
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 5: in the street and choked out as we all did,

551
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 5: for you to be like, you know what, that was

552
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 5: bad because it seems to me like in the initial

553
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 5: reaction and response, y'all felt a certain way and you

554
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 5: had to like reckon with the thing that we've been

555
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 5: telling you for eons is how we function in the

556
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 5: world in our relationship to the police. But then after

557
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 5: a certain amount of time, y'all started to feel like

558
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 5: you were losing that thing that gives you the ability

559
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 5: to be on third while we're in the dugout, not

560
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 5: even on first base yet.

561
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: So you're like, oh, okay, well what's that he did drugs?

562
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: Oh well he had a criminal record or whatever else. Yeah,

563
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: we would like to we would like to rescind our

564
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: empathy and you need to find better people because that

565
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: person clearly deserved to die. Like that's basically what happened.

566
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: That's what twenty twenty five is literally a respond to

567
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: the brief moment when millions of white people decided, I

568
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: don't know, if we like this, we'll get out in

569
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: the streets for you for five minutes and we'll even

570
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: post a black square. That scared the establishment, I believe

571
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: enough where they're like, we're going to dig deep and

572
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: make sure that this never happens again and remind everybody

573
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: who's what this is really about.

574
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still paying the tax for Obama. I mean,

575
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: this country has been in a tailspin ever since you

576
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: elect a black man as a president of the United

577
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: States and the visual of you saying we're still in

578
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: the dugout and y'all are on third and that worried

579
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: you so much that you thought you were going to

580
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: lose your place. Why we are literally still in the dugout.

581
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: A few of us escaped, but not too many of us,

582
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 2: and you feel like your supremacy is at risk. Yes,

583
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: we I mean, that's just truly what it is. And

584
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: as we live in this space, I hear you talk

585
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: about covering these sports. I don't know. I think yes,

586
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 2: I would have had the constitution to continue in action

587
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: sports because you have made a name for yourself, a legacy.

588
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: You have told stories, you have opened the door and

589
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 2: arguably made it much more palatable for others who probably

590
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: would not have paid attention. Myself included, I'm okay, well

591
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: I'll pay attention. What's going on? Okay, Okay, I'm into it. Okay,

592
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: so I'll talk to me, Celemma, talk to me. The

593
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: reality is, though, was there ever a moment where you're like,

594
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to these last five years, I'm not

595
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: trying to be here with y'all. You're not really good

596
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: on my nerves.

597
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I've felt it many times throughout the entirety of

598
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: my career. I mean all the time. You know, these

599
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: these these ways in which you know how it is

600
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: where you you have to you have to prove, like

601
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: I said, you have to sort of you find yourself,

602
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: like proving your legitimacy to be in this, Like I

603
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: say all the time, like, man, it must be nice

604
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: to be mediocre and treated like you're the best. I

605
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: would love to not have to treat every day on

606
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: the job like it's the first, to not have to

607
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: feel like I have to, you know it is. It

608
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: is my duty when this job is over, that I

609
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: am not expendable, Like that's that's that's my That's how

610
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: I try to show up to things, but like I

611
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: would love, I would love to know what it's like

612
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: to just listen, just to what you can stick to

613
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: the place you're wrapped in the race. That's all you

614
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: can give, but an all that it takes. Put your

615
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: money on the wall, but it won't taste surprise to

616
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: catch shine when you stop to embrace. Don't won't watch

617
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: you go? And one done.

618
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: We're living in crazy times. I saw you comments. Someone

619
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 2: talked about how much money Jake Paul made on that fight,

620
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 2: and and this is the time. This is the era

621
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: when mediocrity is celebrated. You'll remember this time. You're like,

622
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: we take and I'm this isn't a full slob for

623
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: all influencers, but this kid literally went from a YouTuber

624
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: influencer to a boxer in the ring with Mike Tyson.

625
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: Like what that was the saddest Yeah what?

626
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: And I know you want to get paid, but what

627
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: world is this? And Anthony Joshua like I was like,

628
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: and Anthony Joshua was just like, Okay, y'all don't know

629
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: me over here, so I'm gonna introduce myself to y'all.

630
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 2: That's the only reason why I'm doing this. I understood

631
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: his I understood his motivation. I got what he was doing.

632
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: But in the world that we live in today, that

633
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: is a per for an example of mediocrity being celebrated.

634
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: He has, however, two three hundred million dollars deal with Netflix.

635
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: It's like they would I wish, you know what I mean,

636
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 2: I wish And it's all in the name of YouTubers

637
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: and followers, and and I'm like, we can do. This

638
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: world is insane that we're living in now, especially what

639
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: we do for a living, And it makes you feel

640
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: like you have to compete. Do you feel like you

641
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: have to be extreme or are you so grounded in

642
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: who you are that you don't feel the need to

643
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: go viral that you don't feel the need to sell

644
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 2: yourself into a different direction.

645
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: I I'd feel like I can only do what it

646
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: is that I'm good at, and trum this idea of

647
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: like trying to go viral, especially like I'm a I'm

648
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: gen X, Like I don't even go here, you know

649
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: what I mean, I don't go here.

650
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: I used to say that about I used to say

651
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: about elim Us all the time on CNN, right, like

652
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 2: he don't even go here. Why is he making rules

653
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: for us. He doesn't even go here.

654
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: It's true, and that's how I look at like. I

655
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: respect the new landscape. I have showed a YouTube show

656
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: that I'm doing right now, and I'm learning how to

657
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: make these shorter, fourteen minute shows that people are spending

658
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: money on, and I'm traveling the world to do it.

659
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: And it's like, all right, cool, I've been in a

660
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: world of linear, traditional television for most of my career.

661
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: What's the dos and don'ts? How do I learn and

662
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: navigate it? All the things? I don't pretend that i'm

663
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not. I look at the Ishow Speeds

664
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: and the Kaisanats and I'm fascinated. I'm fascinating, And I'm

665
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: also watching the manner in which these young black men

666
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: are like actually transcending culture. I'm watching Ishow Speed literally

667
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: like disrupt the planet by simply going to Africa and

668
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: showing young people like yo, the content is lit in

669
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: infinite ways, and let me show you the diversity of

670
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: these fifty four countries. And suddenly his entire generation who

671
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: knew nothing about Africa not being a country, but even

672
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: being a continent, and the diversity of what that is

673
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's yes, that's so. This is amazing. This

674
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: is how you you know, can leverage and utilize the things.

675
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: So I'm not a hater at all, but the opportunism

676
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: in which I think, like the big platforms have been like, oh,

677
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: we'll give a few hundred million dollar deal in order

678
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: to make a lot of money in short gaps of time,

679
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: as opposed to nurturing and growing and telling dope stories

680
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: like yeah, I lament that that's what it's become, but like,

681
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: that's not my money. Why would I go and chase it? Yeah,

682
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: it's not my money.

683
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: But to your point, there there are some pros of

684
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,479
Speaker 2: it too. It's not all constant. Yeah, totally definitely, because

685
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 2: if we're if we're learning more about Africa and we

686
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: are showing places that Ford and look, I don't get it.

687
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: I I go went to school with you. I'm like, okay, okay,

688
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: so everybody's an expert. Everybody can tell me how to

689
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: get a man, everybody can tell me what to how

690
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: to wash my face. All the expert I like, it's

691
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: everybody's an expert on the Internet, and it drives me

692
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 2: insane because I'm like, well, how do I know this

693
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 2: is even real. That's where I come from that school

694
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: of I need to see some proof with the F. Yes,

695
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: some proof with the F.

696
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: I think it's important that you check the credentials of

697
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: whoever it is that you're listening to. But I think

698
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: for this next generation of kids, there's obviously a lot

699
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: of horrible people who are utilizing the live stream space,

700
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: et cetera, and who are antagonists and are just like

701
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, paid antagonists of of the new white supremacy.

702
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: But also within that space, you know, when I when

703
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: I see the kids who are doing it right, where

704
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be, you know, to be the people

705
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: we need. Like I look at someone like an issue

706
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: speed watching the and the KUIs watching them grow in

707
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: real time.

708
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, live watching.

709
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: Them grow in real time and choosing to be vulnerable

710
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: that way.

711
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, yes, it's a yeah. No, this

712
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 2: generation is one hundred percent empathetic. They are we say

713
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: they're too sensitive, but they have an empathy that we

714
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 2: just don't have. They're very much aware of their feelings.

715
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: And while I I also make fun of that, there's

716
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: such a respect that I should also have for that

717
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: as well, because you don't want to raise a bunch

718
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: of angry people. I will say this as I ask

719
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: you these questions about the world that you've lived in,

720
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: and I've watched you transition, and you started off saying,

721
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: you work just enough so you can have fun, You

722
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: do just enough so you can enjoy yourself. That is

723
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: a beautiful, beautiful way to live. Right, And if you

724
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: look ahead, right, do you ever think there is something

725
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: more that needs to be done and you are the

726
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: person to deliver that if no one is listening, if

727
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 2: no one was listening and you said, here's my brothers,

728
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 2: these are the things that I need to do because

729
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: I need to be able to give this to the world.

730
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: What would it be the first thing that popped into

731
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:20,959
Speaker 2: your mind?

732
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: Is it?

733
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: And do you want to share that with me?

734
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: Well, I'm working on a memoir.

735
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 2: Congratulations, I'm working on a memoir.

736
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: Because that's if that's the one thing that I really

737
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: want to give. And yes, it's self serving to tell

738
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: your own story, but I want those weird kids that

739
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, I want the I want to. I

740
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: want to. I want to hand out a little roadmap

741
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: to the Patagonian blocks and those who may not realize

742
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: that that's who may they may be, and any young

743
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: person who feel I was like, you know what, I

744
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: don't know if the conventional route to attaining you know,

745
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: success is how I'd like to be, and I'd like

746
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: to look at I would like to show them an

747
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: example of an unlikely journey that can in which you

748
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 1: get to be the whole entirety of your being false

749
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: and all.

750
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,959
Speaker 2: I love that. I think you're a great soul.

751
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: I think you're a great soul carriage champion. I really do.

752
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: I think you're a great soul. I really really do.

753
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: That's why we hit it off. As soon as I

754
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: mentioned I was like, Oh, that's my people.

755
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: Here's a funny story. I always like to tell you

756
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 2: a naked story. Do you remember the one time when

757
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: we went to we went to go watch a game

758
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: and it was super crowded. Do you remember that time

759
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: and you met me there and there were so many

760
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 2: people there.

761
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: When I was watch a football game?

762
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: Where was it at? You have a better memory of me?

763
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: On? It was on Melrose.

764
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: The year had to be like twenty sixteen, twenty seven.

765
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. What's his? Oh yeah,

766
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: I remember what's his name? That it was like going

767
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: over the used to be on ESPN.

768
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: Ended up going for Marcellus was Marcellius Mars It was

769
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: his event. It was his event.

770
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: Was this event?

771
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay? And we watched and we stayed for how long?

772
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: Not long? I left. I just remember me leaving. Tell

773
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: me how you remember it, because I have a story,

774
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 2: because I like to share. I like to tell everybody

775
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: his story.

776
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 1: I left shortly after you because.

777
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 2: It was too much.

778
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: It was a lot.

779
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: It was just too much. I mean, I love us

780
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: sometime about the blacks, but it wasn't my bucket of blacks.

781
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: It was a lot.

782
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: It was like if we're putting our blacks in buckets.

783
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 2: It just was a lot. And I was like, I'm

784
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: all set. This is too much. I don't feel like

785
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: being outside. But you came and you sat next to me,

786
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: and you were so sweet, and I was like, is

787
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 2: he uncomfortable? And you weren't uncomfortable. You were just like

788
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: what's going on? Like I was, you know, just I

789
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: have a little bit of when I go out in

790
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: public places, I have a little anxiety depending on where

791
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm at right, depending on if I don't know my surroundings.

792
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 2: I have a little anxiety like I'm sure you experienced.

793
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: But I remember thinking when you came, I felt like

794
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: there might have been a moment where you had a

795
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: little crush on me, and I had a crush on

796
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: you too, just for a moment. I was like, what

797
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: does he like me? I can't really tell. I feel

798
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: like everyone likes me, but it's not. I don't know.

799
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell. Yes, I couldn't tell, but you did.

800
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: I never talked to you again after that, so I

801
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: couldn't tell if you liked me. You were like, nice

802
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: to meet you, I'll see you never. You thought I

803
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: was one of those black girls. I was like, oh,

804
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: he is too outside. No, I don't get my hair wet. Wow,

805
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: oh gosh, if you're listening to the story, you guys

806
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: are gonna it's tickled. It tickles me. We can talk

807
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: about it.

808
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: Now, so listen. Okay, we're you. You cracked it open.

809
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I don't remember.

810
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: That's why I had an immediate crush on you.

811
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: When I mentioned okay, then what happened you had your

812
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: tall shoes on.

813
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: I have a picture. I have a picture of us

814
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: in the studio from your podcast and you had your

815
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: tall shoes on that. I'm like this, like the picture

816
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 1: is like that, sim.

817
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: So we can make this the cover of the podcast.

818
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: And you're like, also, this is you arriving in your

819
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: in your full carry Champion star power at ESPN, Like

820
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: very big deal. Everybody's hollering at you.

821
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: And I don't remember that.

822
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: Garry Carrie, Carrie Champion, don't lie to this audience, and

823
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: don't everyone.

824
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: I don't. I do remember people flirting, but I just

825
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 2: think men are men. I don't think anything of it.

826
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: You men are flirts. You guys like to flirt. That's

827
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: what you do with So I.

828
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: Was like, you know, she's a big deal and she's

829
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: back and forth and so that when we went out

830
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: that time, I remember being like is this a or

831
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: were just hanging out like it was like the grayest

832
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,479
Speaker 1: gray area and we had fun and then you left

833
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: early and then life goes on and I was like, okay,

834
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: well care Champions. That's my homegirl, Like yeah, she's fine

835
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: and she's cool, but maybe she's just she's she's your friend.

836
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: But no, there was there was There was the crust

837
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: was legit.

838
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sound like there was some energy there, but

839
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: nothing ever came of it.

840
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: So I just would you say that you had energy too?

841
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was having a little energy, but I was

842
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 2: just like he never I was like, I was like,

843
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 2: am I too? Back to the question I asked you earlier,

844
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: I was like, am I too black? Girlish?

845
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: For him?

846
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to deal with the perm. It's the

847
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: smell of perm, you know, no blue magic grease. That

848
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 2: was not at all a bonnet, you know what I mean?

849
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: Fried foods. I don't know.

850
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 1: I have a whole entire black mother.

851
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: I have a whole entire black mother.

852
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: Well I'm glad we're clarified that because.

853
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: You know, well, listen, you you have to understand you

854
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: should just be shooting your shot because other people you

855
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: give very like flirty, nice energy, but then you're like,

856
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: never mind, see you later, goodbye. I'm pretty sure you

857
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: know that.

858
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: My friend Jason is going to hear this podcast and

859
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: he's he is going to be like, see, this is

860
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: what I've been telling you. You always my friend Jason Berg, No,

861
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: you don't know. He's one of my best friends. But

862
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: going all the way back to our times in the

863
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: clubs together, he would just be like you know, we'd

864
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: be talking, you know, a girl whatever, and she walked

865
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: away and he just be looking at me and be like, yo,

866
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: what what just happened. I'm like, she was nice, she

867
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: was cool. He's like, no, you idiot, Like she walked

868
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: away because you just you friend zone yourself. Yeah. So

869
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: I've been a chronic friend zoner of my own doing,

870
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: and I just found I just found that out at

871
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: the highest level right here, like at the top of

872
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: the mountain.

873
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 2: The man I was like, you totally friend zoned me,

874
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, maybe it was. Maybe the

875
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: event was to hip hoppy. I don't know, you know

876
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 2: how people are, honestly.

877
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: I think what in reflection, I think in reflection this

878
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: now and what now? Was a date going to a

879
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: function like we we the first date should probably have

880
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: not been like a full on function. Yeah.

881
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: You should have been like, hey, Carrie, you want to

882
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 2: come surf and I'd be like, I don't know how, teach.

883
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: Me, yeah, or like a hike or dinner or anything.

884
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 1: But we went straight to the to the deepest function.

885
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 2: We went to the deepest with the deepest of people,

886
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 2: and it just made both of us be like, Okay, well,

887
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get on out of here. I'm just this

888
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: is I've done my time. I've done my time. I

889
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: did it. No, this is the best part. I like

890
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: to I was gonna say to you. My question would

891
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: have been, like, I like to wrap my podcast, tell

892
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: me something you'd never tell anyone. And so instead of

893
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 2: you doing that because you've been sharing, I said, let

894
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: me let me go back to our foe eight where

895
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 2: he uh did not like me and left.

896
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: Me on That's not true, I did, Yeah, I did not.

897
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: That's so Emma left carry on Red everyone, just so

898
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: you know, and that's how the story goes.

899
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: Wow that I can't wait till the threads.

900
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm only cutting this part as a as

901
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: a tease that one time you left me on red.

902
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: Yes, this is gonna be great.

903
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: You're like, I have a habit of doing that. Women,

904
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 2: I'm teasing you. Okay, So anything you want to promote,

905
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 2: because I know you have your podcast, which I intro

906
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: in the beginning, anything else you want to promote.

907
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: Let's see what else do I would like to promote.

908
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: I do this show called the Team Ignition Show on

909
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: YouTube where I'm out profiling risk takers around the world

910
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: and you can watch it on YouTube or at teammognition

911
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: dot net. It the movie that I directed. Uh, it's

912
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: called Up the Mountains. You can watch that at outside

913
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: dot com, outside TV.

914
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: You're just so talented.

915
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: I just enjoy trying new things. And of course there's

916
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: my music, which is Alkazam, which is masekela backwards. I

917
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: record as it reads alkazam and so I record.

918
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: As how do we how do we find that?

919
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: Spotify, Apple Music all of all the place?

920
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: Is it you singing? Or is it is it just.

921
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: I sing? I singer songwriter?

922
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: Tell me you could have been it's singing, singing sweet,

923
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 2: nothing's to me this whole time. You chose and you

924
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: chose not to you left me, all right, that's cool,

925
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: that's right.

926
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: I have a duet. I have a duet with Calise

927
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: on her last album shut Up. I didn't know that.

928
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: It's called Blessed the Telephone.

929
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, can we use some of that for

930
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 2: the pot or now?

931
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can. Yeah, you could use that, or

932
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: you can use any of my music. But literally, if

933
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: you you're gonna die when you like, if you if

934
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: you look up al exam and again it's spelled masekela

935
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: backwards is alkaxam. Okay, I have songs on there that

936
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: like have I don't know three million, four million plays?

937
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, so we're definitely using some of your

938
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 2: music throughout this pod.

939
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: So something feels good. I got I got a song

940
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: with with Too Short.

941
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: Oh that's my ga, I.

942
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: Gotta, I gotta. I have a remix with Too Short

943
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: that I did. But yeah, that's my like, my my

944
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: quiet little like I'm over here, you know, doing making art,

945
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: trying to have fun.

946
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 2: What does music do for you?

947
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: You ever heard that surf and R and b Alec?

948
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: Exam?

949
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 1: What is your boy? Too Short? Check this out? Music

950
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: is where I get to be the whole entirety of

951
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: my being. Like, it's where I get to show up

952
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: all of it's. It's it's the surfer, it's the snowboarder.

953
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: It's the kid who grew up a method man in

954
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 1: New York. It's we went to school together. Yeah, it's

955
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: it's the entire entirety of my of my being, and

956
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: it's what my father gave me. Like my earliest memories

957
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: as a kid was not playing in the park with

958
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: my dad, it was being in the club with my father,

959
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, literally, like he would have me on the

960
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: weekends and be like, don't tell your mother, don't tell

961
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: your mother. I kept you out this lay and I

962
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: would go and you know, be in the club with

963
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: him till four in the morning and watching him play

964
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: and ill people's souls, telling them stories about South Africa.

965
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: And so music was always a thing that I that

966
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, and I didn't know if I

967
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: was allowed to because you have this immense, giant father.

968
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: And then finally later in life, I was like, I

969
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: got to get this out, and I started making records.

970
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: Even I made a record with my father right before

971
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: he passed away. That was my one goal. I was like,

972
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to do a song with my dad in

973
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: this lifetime, and I got to do a song with

974
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 1: him right before he died.

975
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 2: Oh wow, what a beautiful, beautiful way to express music

976
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: and what it means to you. Did you go back

977
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 2: more importantly and tell your mother, because you know, kids

978
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: always say they won't and then they do. Did you

979
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 2: tell your mom you stayed out till four am?

980
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: Oh, my mother knew what time. My mother knew what

981
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: time it was, She knew who he was. She was.

982
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: She knew.

983
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: She's like you, you've been out late. I already know.

984
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, she she knew what it was.

985
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 2: But you had a beautiful post about your mother that

986
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: I saw when it was her birthday. And she is energy,

987
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 2: very very stylish. She made me smile. I was like, oh,

988
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 2: she is a character like I would you know what

989
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 2: I mean, Like fully herself and just telling people what

990
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: to wear when they go out dress up.

991
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: I was just like, she's that, She's that person, and

992
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: she's ageless and wonderful.

993
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: Ageless. That is actually the perfect way to describe her.

994
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: One ageless.

995
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm very lucky and rest in peace to Pops. It's

996
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: his eighth anniversary of his passing this week, and it's

997
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: always it. It's always an interesting reflective time, you know,

998
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: because grief. Grief is something that you you work through

999
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. You know, I understand

1000
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: and you and you learn it. You go from it

1001
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: being just pain to it then becoming almost like an

1002
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: exoskeleton that gives you new powers, and it's it becomes

1003
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: a continued For me, it's it's a continued glimpse into

1004
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: myself as I reflect on my father and I feel

1005
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: like he's that energy never dies, right, So he's continuing

1006
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: to pass on new things to me. So celebrating him this.

1007
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 2: Week and we are celebrating him this week. Yeah, that

1008
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: is beautiful. The eighth anniversary. Wow, grief is she is

1009
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: she ebbs and flows. She is tricky. That's a tricky

1010
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 2: mistress right there.

1011
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: And then it takes on different shapes.

1012
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 2: You're just like, hey, what happened? You weren't supposed to

1013
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: be here right now. I was doing something else.

1014
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: I was at the red light, minding my business. And

1015
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: now here you are getting in tears.

1016
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, here you are welcome and you can't fight it,

1017
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: and that if you want to get if you really

1018
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: want to make it a superpower like you described in

1019
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 2: such a beautiful way. I'm telling your father's.

1020
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: First name, Hugh Hugh Masekela.

1021
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: Hugh Mesekela. Rest in power, Yeah, rest in absolute power.

1022
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 2: Your parents were dancing to my father. His song was

1023
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: Grazing in the Grass as the one that people always like.

1024
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was my that was my song. Hweie,

1025
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, showey.

1026
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: I'll play it.

1027
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll play it. Play it.

1028
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 2: Naked Sports written and executive produced by me Carrie Champion,

1029
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 2: produced by Jacqueise Thomas, sound design and mastered by Dwayne Crawford.

1030
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 2: Naked Sports is a part of the Black Effect podcast

1031
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 2: network in iHeartMedia