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Speaker 2: So tonight we're gonna party like it's nineteen night.

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Speaker 1: People are either dancing along to Britney's spears, sometimes on

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Speaker 2: Or looking out the window crying to Rickey Martin's She's

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Speaker 1: But people were also slightly panicked.

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Speaker 2: The Y two K panic was a real. People were

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Speaker 1: There was even a Ywok task force. Listen. In the end,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a big deal. Clock struck midnight and all

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Speaker 1: of our bank accounts were safe, and the world did

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Speaker 2: And I didn't get drunk in wake up at some

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Speaker 2: Miranda's house with chocolate all over me.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that part actually did happen.

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Speaker 2: Let's just call it two truth and a light, babes.

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Speaker 2: What did happen when we entered the white k area.

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Speaker 1: So we're just glossing over your chocolate one night.

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Speaker 2: Stamp Kier's natural dark blocks were no moss. Gone were

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Speaker 2: those dark breeds with ribbons. The epitome of Latin rock

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Speaker 2: in came Shakira, La Nena Rubio del Barrio. In the

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Speaker 2: New Era, the US takeover.

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Speaker 1: Now, that was a real shocker. At this point, we

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Speaker 1: already knew who Shiquido was. Diehard fans knew how she

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Speaker 2: Spoiler alert she did.

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Speaker 1: All the way from Barranque, Columbia, where her father once

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Speaker 2: It's not going to have heard ourselves, Lil's that's another episode.

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Speaker 1: Wait, I wasn't going to say this super Bowl either way.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, we're going to jump into the next

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Speaker 1: phase in Shaquida's evolution. Joseph and I are going to

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Speaker 1: pulling off one of the most successful crossovers in music history.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Liliana Oscaz and I'm Joseph Carrio and

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Speaker 1: This is Becoming an Icon a weekly podcast where we

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Speaker 1: give you the rundown on how today's most famous latinv

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Speaker 1: stars have shaped pop culture.

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Speaker 2: And given the world some extra level.

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Speaker 1: Sit back and get comfortable.

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Speaker 2: Because we are going in the only way we know how,

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Speaker 2: with whenas us.

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Speaker 1: When assas and a lot of opinions as we relive

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Speaker 1: their greatest achievements on our journey to find out what

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Speaker 1: makes them so iconic. Joseph, what would you do if

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Speaker 1: I told you that Shakida regretted going blonde?

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Speaker 2: I'd call you a liar, the same way you promised

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Speaker 2: you'd show up to my birthday party. I didn't lie, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Denial is a river in Egypt. Well.

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Speaker 1: In a recent interview from twenty two twenty one, she

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Speaker 2: That missing out on my awe fantastic birth day bash.

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Speaker 1: Now switching up her hair color.

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Speaker 2: I think we're also regretting the low rise genes, so

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Speaker 2: I can understand regretting bleach.

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Speaker 1: She misses her dark black hair, sharing this, I change

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Speaker 1: same way. Back preach girl, I went through a blonde phase.

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Speaker 1: Please do not google that. It was real bad, real

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Speaker 1: Shakira is no stranger to switching it up and having fun,

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Speaker 2: Hair is everything, and.

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Speaker 1: When it came to her fans, well, I think they'd agree.

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Speaker 2: Shak You not changing up her entire look made many

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Speaker 1: Very clever, Joseph clever.

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Speaker 2: I'm a wordsmith manny thought she was changing to increase

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Speaker 1: To be honest, it kind of worked, but that's not

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Speaker 2: Listen, even now, it's hot. I mean it doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: So we can see why she would be interested in

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Speaker 2: I mean it's not shade, but just think about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something about blonde that has the mass appeal

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Speaker 2: Do you think that this was her most iconic look?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say that it was her most attention

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Speaker 1: So I think what you said about that kind of

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Speaker 2: What do you think was different between the blonde and

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Speaker 1: We can have so many conversations about how sexist the

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Speaker 2: You guys have to remember it's nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think in nineteen ninety nine there was one

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Speaker 1: it's the fiery red hair. To me, that's what made

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Speaker 1: from anything, but in nineteen ninety nine, those times were different, right,

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Speaker 1: But let's stay in nineteen ninety nine for a second.

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Speaker 1: Shaquita had just.

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Speaker 2: Released and it was everywhere.

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Speaker 1: She had proven the estephans right. Shakira was good enough

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Speaker 2: So soon she got the call for one of the

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Speaker 1: The time, MTV Unplugged. The set was incredible.

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Speaker 2: That's one of those events that if someone asked me,

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Speaker 1: Hany wait, in all of history, that's where you're going, bitch.

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Speaker 2: I have my priorities.

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Speaker 1: Just the energy of it all fair, This is a

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Speaker 2: She was rocking those straight red locks, and she had

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Speaker 1: So much fun, right, Oh, totally sort of the mood.

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Speaker 1: Why are you asking me that? Have you violated health code?

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Speaker 2: This isn't about me.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about mtvn plugs a little bit. We talked

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Speaker 2: Just so sexy. That's why I want to say they're

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Speaker 1: Can we say sensual instead of sexy, because I think

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Speaker 1: it's just a very different way to project sexuality and

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Speaker 1: But I feel if you were in the audience that night,

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Speaker 2: It was everything everywhere, all at once. Let me tell you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many songs that you can go back

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Speaker 1: No, and these live mini concert experiences, I think, especially.

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Speaker 2: Those, especially those when it was raw. Now everything is

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what E and what I think it does

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Speaker 1: is MTV Unplugged for certain artists, specifically are icons Ricky

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 1: If you just watch that, you understand why they reach

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Speaker 2: Them, but not like a shrooms trance, like a fun trance.

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Speaker 1: It is a I cannot take my eyes off of

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Speaker 1: That is how they became icons because I think everybody

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 2: And you know, she went in there and had shit

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Speaker 1: And that was more than enough proof that she was

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Speaker 1: A lot of things were changing in Shakida's life.

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Speaker 2: She was living in Miami and worked on her next album.

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Speaker 1: Damn but she didn't want to let her Colombian fans

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Speaker 2: Well, Shakita was definitely selling out. She was selling out shows,

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Speaker 1: Okay, but continue, no, no, go for it. Speak your truth, Joseph.

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Speaker 2: If one thing's for certain when it comes to Shakida,

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Speaker 1: And that's the feeling she couldn't shake. She didn't want

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Speaker 3: She was also overwhelmed, which meant that soon her next album,

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Speaker 1: Shakuda decided to switch up managers. She went from mister

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Speaker 2: You sure there's no tea.

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Speaker 1: You're always looking for the tea. And yes, there was

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Speaker 1: speculation over call them creative differences, but ultimately Shakidah left

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Speaker 2: That's as can delicious.

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Speaker 1: It's not scandal, Joseph, it's just work. And to be honest,

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Speaker 2: And it's not like she was going to ask Gloria's

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Speaker 1: I would, But the bottom line is the a Stephans

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Speaker 1: were her nights sitting down with Gloordia, translating her lyrics

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Speaker 2: Y'all, you used to sit with a rhyming dictionary next

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Speaker 2: to her white whitman. Oh, captain, my captain.

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Speaker 1: That was really beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it was because of demand? Like do

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Speaker 2: for the stefan.

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Speaker 1: Shakita was going to be an icon. But I think

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: Why we needed a heart throb. We needed to be

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Speaker 2: captivated by someone that wasn't white and be handsome and

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Speaker 1: I have to agree with you, as much as I

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Speaker 1: But I think you're right. I think that it had

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Speaker 1: done it at the time because it had to be Yeah, imad, dude, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: It's just because we needed to be eased into it.

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Speaker 1: Her career was taking off, but she still couldn't shake

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Speaker 2: Everyone from Asia to Latin America was trying to look

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Speaker 1: Boot leather pants were selling out all over the globe,

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Speaker 1: but still she.

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Speaker 2: Was having something of an identity crisis.

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Speaker 1: Shakita didn't want to lose her artistry. In nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 2: And Homegirl shows up the way gentlemen prefer Blonde.

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Speaker 1: Great movie, by the.

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Speaker 2: Way, Sign of the Cross, Rest in Peace, Maryland.

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Speaker 1: Shakita was more than a look, and she knew.

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Speaker 2: That, but other people disagreed.

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Speaker 1: During an interview, she settled the matter by saying, this,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people told me, no, Shakita is brunette. Jeez,

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Speaker 1: I'm not my hair. Preach Shakita. Why do you think

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Speaker 2: She was pretty, she was different, she was everything we

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Speaker 1: I was, I mean I couldn't find them at West.

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Speaker 2: Seal five seven nine bites. What didny?

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Speaker 1: I think everybody wanted to look like her because she

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Speaker 2: But also familiar. I mean maybe because she was speaking Spanish.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she felt so far away from the world

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Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, remember I told her like she felt like

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Speaker 1: All I know is that for me, she felt so exotic,

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Speaker 1: be perceived as exotic, because let's be honest, most of

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Speaker 1: dance like Shakida, but I can dress like Shakida. Shakita

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Speaker 1: was ready to put aside her worries and just go

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Speaker 2: Ever, it was proof that the Latin market was growing

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Speaker 2: Her Grammy performance of a Hotel See was a hot

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Speaker 1: There was fire, it was red and we got a

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Speaker 2: The what the doom Beck, The Doomback.

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Speaker 1: Hello, the doom Back. Remember about the night when her

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Speaker 1: by the Doomback. That evening, the Colombian singer took home

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Speaker 2: Okay, but come on, I'm getting impatient up in here.

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Speaker 1: That's how everyone at that point was feeling. Shakito as

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Speaker 1: we've learned, is a perfectionist. Donzano Ledronz took nine months.

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Speaker 2: That was nineteen ninety eight. It was about to be

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Speaker 2: two thousand and one. Ricky Martin had performed La Combe

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Speaker 1: Shakida was more than ready to take over the American

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Speaker 1: which is different.

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Speaker 2: I've used that line before, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: How did it work out for you?

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Speaker 2: Heny? I do just fine.

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Speaker 1: Shakida spent a year working on the album, a lot

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Speaker 2: Talk about a writer's retreat.

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Speaker 1: But obviously she wasn't alone. When it came to the

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Speaker 1: Leedronz was an emotional album, and it was rumored rumored

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Speaker 2: Yo the moodikos out there getting people to write songs about.

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Speaker 1: Them ish, Hey, you know we do just fine.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Rios and Shaki were dating at that time,

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Speaker 2: so even at Toddler could connect the dots on that album.

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Speaker 1: Laundry Service, on the other hand, was openly dedicated to

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Speaker 2: There was no heartfelt message like Jayla with ben affleck

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Speaker 2: Eli Kodre Presidente had this Columbiana's heart. He was everywhere

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Speaker 2: Asta la sopa. He was even in the music video

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Speaker 2: for Underneath Your Clothes.

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Speaker 1: By September of two thousand and one, Shaquida's album wasn't out,

440
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: but pre release copies had already been sent to music critics.

441
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: A few lucky people got their hands on what so

442
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: many had been waiting for for three years now.

443
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 2: Very much like Gullum and The Lord of the Rings,

444
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 2: this was some precious cargo.

445
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: But before anyone could celebrate, the world seemed to stop

446
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: and shift. When news broke out that the US World

447
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: Trade Center had been bombed. Shakita acted quickly and spoke

448
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: up about the matter.

449
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 2: Shakida's father is Lebanese and she was not going to

450
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 2: let the hate slide.

451
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: She shared at the time, the Arabic world is not

452
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: all Muslims, nor are all Muslims terrorists.

453
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: To deny her Middle Eastern heritage is to deny her entirely.

454
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: It's in everything she does. It was going to be

455
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: in her new album and she would continue to let

456
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: everyone know it's a part of her.

457
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,479
Speaker 2: Many told her to stay in her place and to

458
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 2: keep quote her political statements in hotel rooms.

459
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: Shaquida wasn't going to do that, She said, I am

460
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: a pop star, but I also have an opinion. I

461
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: grew up in a country that has existed under the

462
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: whip of violence for forty years, so how can I

463
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: not You know, in my country, of five year old

464
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: kid knows not only of Disney and Mickey Mouse, but

465
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: also of gorillas and paramilitaries. You grow up with that

466
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: kind of awareness of what the world is really like.

467
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: Do you feel like this says a lot about who

468
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: Shakida is as a human being, not just who she

469
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: is as an artist.

470
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: One thousand percent to speak up and not really care

471
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,479
Speaker 2: about the risks about to happen. You're just saying what

472
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: you need to because it's a lenase. I don't know

473
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 2: how you say that in English, but lenase to like

474
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: say it. And I don't think she cared. I think

475
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 2: she just had to get her point across.

476
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: And we keep saying this in this episode. But you

477
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: have to remember the timing of this. It's now twenty

478
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: twenty three. People expect you as an artist to speak

479
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: up for what you stand for. But back then, Taboo,

480
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: our celebrities, our musicians, our icons kind of kept quiet

481
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: and mom on political and social issues because, like you said,

482
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: there was such a huge risk with speaking out that

483
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: most people weren't going to take that risk. They'd worked

484
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: so hard to get to this level and with one

485
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: statement you could erase all of that success. But Shakida

486
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: didn't care.

487
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: You know, I will say I bel believe that Shakira

488
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: does really see herself as an artist, and I don't

489
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: think that she saw herself as a pop star to

490
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 2: run the risk of people leaving her music. Right, She's

491
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 2: an artist. People are following her.

492
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Once everything was settled, she decided the best way

493
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: to heal was through music. But she wasn't going to

494
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: simply release the album.

495
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 2: No. She decided to drop a single mm hmmm Whenever,

496
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 2: Wherever and alongside it a music video.

497
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: More like the music video, the song originally written in Spanish,

498
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: Assuerte was heavily influenced by Dan music, including the charango

499
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: and pan flutes in its instrumentation. It was co written

500
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: with Clodia Stefan and you hear a lot of Latin

501
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: influence but also a little pink Floyd.

502
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: My girl really be throwing everything in there.

503
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: And it was a hit. It's skyrocketed tostardom amongst American listeners.

504
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 2: Basically what Living Levey to Loco was to Ricky Whenever

505
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 2: Wherever was to show Kira why had she been so nervous?

506
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,719
Speaker 2: She sounded confident as fuzz on this record.

507
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: I think the world agrees with you on that. This

508
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: song reached number six on the Hot one hundred. The

509
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: album release quickly followed one month later, on November thirteenth,

510
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: two thousand and one.

511
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: And just like the end of that video, Shakida emerged

512
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: from the water and made landfall in America.

513
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: Do you remember that video?

514
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: I do ah, she like comes up, bitch. I try

515
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 2: to do that all the time.

516
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: Releasing Whenever Wherever as a single alongside the video ahead

517
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: of the album, did the trick.

518
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: Keeping her promise of seducing the US market. Shakida started

519
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: out her crossover with the teas.

520
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: It got people excited.

521
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 2: It got me excited after such a long wait. It

522
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 2: was like someone offering you unedible at church? Wait? Is

523
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 2: that why everyone lands up? At the end? The priest

524
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: gives out drugs and wine. Maybe I should starting to church.

525
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: If you find the address to that church, could you

526
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: text it to me?

527
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: Anyways?

528
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: When the album finally came out, it debuted at three

529
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: on the Billboard charts. It had the end, the end music,

530
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: Middle Eastern music, rock and roll, tango. What it didn't

531
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 1: have was everybody convinced.

532
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,479
Speaker 2: Some people found Chekita singing in English to be silly.

533
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: Give me their addresses right fucking now.

534
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna punch you.

535
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: Why because it was different?

536
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 2: I do feel like it when you have a lot

537
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 2: of genres, Bitch, this is two thousand and one, and

538
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: to mix all of this in one album, it's a lot.

539
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: I just think people are never ready for something new, right.

540
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: It takes a hot second for people to go, oh, okay,

541
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: she's not trying to sound like Gwen Stefani. She's not

542
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 1: trying to be Britney spears. Soakira is her own person,

543
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: she's her own artists. I will say for Shuki up Purist,

544
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: if their critique was that the translation didn't hit the

545
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: same in English versus Spanish, that I agree with.

546
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: So you're saying maybe the message wasn't as powerful.

547
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: I think it depends who the critic was. I think

548
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: if it's music people that have followed her and grew

549
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: up listening to her in Spanish and now we're hearing

550
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: her sing in English. You know that sometimes we say

551
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: stuff in Spanish that does not translate to English, it

552
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: doesn't hit. It's like, what the fuck were you trying

553
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: to say?

554
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

555
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: How many times do we read a quote from an artist?

556
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: Just even during our podcast, when we heard the quote

557
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: in Spanish, were like yes, and then we read it

558
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: in English, it has.

559
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: More like you know, it's heavier when you read it

560
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: in Spanish.

561
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes it just sounds prettier, and then we translate it's

562
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: like so maybe that's the feeling that they had. But

563
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: for people that were just discovering her in English, Americans

564
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: that were listening to this album, it just was a

565
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: fresh sound. It was different. It was something that your

566
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: ear had to get used to, but once it got

567
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: used to it, it was over.

568
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: So you're saying that you think this album was the

569
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: success thousand percent.

570
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: I find this album to me one of the most

571
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: successful crossover albums in recent times. Many fell back on

572
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 1: their criticism, saying this album was much more tame and

573
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: almost a watered down version of the raw energy she

574
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: had in Pisds, Godzos and Don.

575
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: Shakira defended her herself quicker than Speedy Gonzales. Honey Girl

576
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: didn't hesitate.

577
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: She titled the album Laundry Service because she felt she

578
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: had been cleansed of all the anger she had before.

579
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: Plain and simple. Her relationship with Antonio de la Roua

580
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: had changed her. She hadn't lost who she was, she

581
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: was just evolving. She shared this, I think I'm celebrating

582
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: life more than ever. I had a slightly narrow vision

583
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: of love. Now I am feeling unguarded and it feels great.

584
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: I feel washed clean of the way I looked at

585
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: things in the past. Despite the haters, Shakira was thriving.

586
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: Laundry Service became the best selling album of two thousand

587
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: and two. I told you all a second, Haters. It

588
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: sold more than thirteen million copies worldwide and became the

589
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: most successful album of her career to date.

590
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: The album also earned her the title as the biggest

591
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: Latin female crossover artist in the world. Shakira kept raking

592
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: in the awards and going on tour. Girlypop was fine.

593
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: Speaking of that tour, I have a little quick trivia

594
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: for you and our listeners. Did you know that she

595
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: named it the Tour of the Mongoose because the mongoose

596
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: is the only animal that can survive a cobra bite.

597
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: Shut that, but that is hardcore and that is metal.

598
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: Shakira loves her a metaphor. During that tour, she showcased

599
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: foot of puppets of Saddam Hussein and George Bush playing

600
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: Chess Nike, and she threw in clips from Real Wars.

601
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: It would then reveal that the puppeteer was the Grim Reaper.

602
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: Shakira fears no one, not even Madonna.

603
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so here's what happened. Madonna had recorded a music

604
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: video for American Life that featured her throwing a grenade

605
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: at then President George W. Bush. She then quickly scrapped

606
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: the video because many labeled her as unpatriotic.

607
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: The drama what's your girl to do in these times?

608
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: Well, she released a censored version of that video, and

609
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: Shakira responded to that video saying, I expect a little

610
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: more backbone from Madonna. Good pop music is always political

611
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: in times of crisis.

612
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: Girl had a lot to say.

613
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: And she's never been shy about speaking her mind. And

614
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: then she dropped Fiacio volumin.

615
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 4: Uh No.

616
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 2: What do you think of the decision for her to

617
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: go back to Spanish after an English crossover.

618
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: I think that why does it matter? Like however, she

619
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: feels like she wants to express her music, whether it's

620
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: in English in Arabic. I don't think she ever left Spanish,

621
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: That's what I think. I don't think she ever left

622
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: us to go be a crossover star to sing in English.

623
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: I think she just wanted to do something different, and

624
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: going back to Spanish was different at the time. I mean,

625
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: I love it.

626
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: Or maybe we'll just call it creating her next album.

627
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: I mean she's not going a book. Yeah, yeah, she's

628
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: just releasing another album. Yes, there was no going back.

629
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: People again, we want to put people in a lane,

630
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: and when they do something different, they take a left

631
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: instead of making a right. We get pissy about it,

632
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: but just let the woman live. Let Shakira be Shakira.

633
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: Okay. Well, if her previous work was giving Alanis Mori set,

634
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: this one was kind of giving me no doubt vibes.

635
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: Here we go again, making women into something else.

636
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: I love the drama. It also gave us much more

637
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: of Latin pop than Latin rock.

638
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: But let's be clear, it still had the folks that

639
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: we are so used to with Shakir's previous albums.

640
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: The album also fully brings forward a woman in love

641
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: girl was down.

642
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: Bad. Songs like open It and See have this hint

643
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: of innocence and this feeling of freedom of being in love.

644
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: Straight up feels like a Disney movie.

645
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: And then you have the album's lead single, La, which

646
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: is and I'm just gonna say it, one of the

647
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: sexiest songs ever made ever.

648
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: The video I my mouth is watering. I'm serious, the

649
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: Master's the doctors said, I'm back, y'all, and with Alejandro signs,

650
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't take it.

651
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: This is one of those beats songs videos that transcends language.

652
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: I do not care what corner of the earth you

653
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: live in. If somebody puts this song on and you

654
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: watch this video.

655
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: Hey, gyrate, they're pelvis this move. I don't know, it's

656
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: like a beat. It moves you.

657
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: I just gonna say they're turned on. Oh yeah, but yes,

658
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: gyration is also a side effect of la.

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Speaker 2: So wait, what do you think makes it sexy? Like?

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Speaker 2: What if I've never seen the video? Does the music yes,

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Speaker 2: still have the same effect on those gyrating hips? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I think the vocals, like you can hear that these

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Speaker 1: are two very hot, sexy smoky.

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Speaker 2: Like Alejandro's voice is a little smoky.

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Speaker 1: The music and the lyrics and the beat immediately to me, like,

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Speaker 1: let's go back to the word I said earlier. This

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Speaker 1: is sensual, but it's upbeat and sensual. It's different because.

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Speaker 4: They're kind of like sexy talking Yeah, but not like

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Speaker 4: Paris Hilton. There's a creepy stalker. But should they say

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Speaker 4: it's the worst description of them hot? But like, look,

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Speaker 4: I don't want a stalker, but if you're.

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Speaker 1: Really hot, Okay, again, I'm gonna use a different word

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Speaker 1: than stalker. It's voyeurism at its best. O, Mchi, you

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Speaker 1: are so pc so it's her is not coming for us?

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Speaker 1: Is sensual voyeurism And aside from that, I said this

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Speaker 1: to you when I watched the video. I do not

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Speaker 1: care what your sexual orientation is. You are attracted to

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Speaker 1: Shakita and not like, oh she's so pretty, like you

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Speaker 1: want to You are DTF Shakida in this video.

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Speaker 2: Both of them. I would become a bisexual swinger for

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Speaker 2: this video.

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Speaker 1: It's so good, you guys. And her body in this

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Speaker 1: I just said to Joseph, like it is incredible. Like

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Speaker 1: she's covered in black paint, like rubbing fat paint all

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Speaker 1: over herself. Her blonde hair is like perfectly quaffed and coiled.

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Speaker 1: There's like a messy BedHead quality to it. She's like

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Speaker 1: gyrating on the ground. They're eating Chinese food. Just watch

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Speaker 1: the video, watch the video alone, or maybe not.

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Speaker 2: Oh m G.

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Speaker 1: It's just such a good song, you know. But the

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Speaker 1: thing about this song is everything is sexy, Like the

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Speaker 1: beat is sexy. It's got reggaeton vibes. And we're not

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Speaker 1: the only people that felt like this, because that single

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Speaker 1: went on to make history. At the two thousand and

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Speaker 1: five the VMA's right.

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Speaker 2: Baby Venito was toad watching this videom.

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Speaker 1: You had Shakira and Alejandro San singing lat Tura Daddy

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Speaker 1: Yankee with Gasolina Dono marn.

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Speaker 2: Off What.

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Speaker 4: Night.

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Speaker 1: One thing is for sure, this album is the one

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Speaker 1: that silenced all of Shakida's haters. Fias Volume one became

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Speaker 1: the highest selling Latin pop album of the decade in

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Speaker 1: the United States and the second highest selling Latin album overall.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Shakita had written over sixty songs for Fijasul, which is

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Speaker 1: a lot, so.

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Speaker 2: She's put them in two. Hence Volume one and now

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Speaker 2: Volume two.

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Speaker 1: Shaquina often finds inspiration in religion, being a devout Catholic herself.

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Speaker 2: I will be too if I can find that church

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Speaker 2: with the ediples.

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Speaker 1: When it came to oral fixation, she thought the Virgin Mary.

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Speaker 2: Oh, totally like hot priests and erotica.

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Speaker 1: What part of TikTok are you on? You know what?

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Speaker 1: Don't answer that question. For Shaki, it was clear Eve's

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Speaker 1: oral fixation.

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Speaker 2: The Forbidden Fruit La Mansanita not sponsored by Apple unless

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Speaker 2: you want to feature our podcast on your homepage hashtag sponsored.

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Speaker 1: When discussing the cover art for both volumes, Shakida admitted

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Speaker 1: to something personal. She's always filmed. She's a very oral person.

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Speaker 1: It's her biggest source of pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Before your minds go there, you nas dyci. As she

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Speaker 2: references philosophy.

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Speaker 1: She wholeheartedly believes in Sigmund Freud's theory that we discover

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Speaker 1: the world through our mouths, which is why in the

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Speaker 1: first cover you see an infant in her arms. But

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Speaker 1: for the second one she had a different idea.

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Speaker 2: Instead of the Holy image of Mary, we get Shakita

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Speaker 2: almost bearing it all as Eve in the Garden of Eden.

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Speaker 1: Riding the high of a Grammy win for Best Latin

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Speaker 1: Rock Alternative Album for Fijasio d Volume one, she followed

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Speaker 1: up with the lead single for Oral Fixation Volume two

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Speaker 1: with Don't Bother. When asked about the single the future

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Speaker 1: she Wolf responded, I think Don't Bother has a lot

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Speaker 1: of pain in it as a song, but also a

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Speaker 1: lot of humor and sarcasm. Yes, it is a way

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Speaker 1: of exercising all of these feelings, a form of catharsis

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Speaker 1: getting rid of all those emotions that torturous women at

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Speaker 1: some point in our lives.

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Speaker 2: But Don't Bother was labeled a commercial failure.

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Speaker 1: Thankfully, nobody remembers that because Hips Don't Lie came to

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Speaker 1: save the day.

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Speaker 2: Thank god, it would become Shakida's first and only number

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Speaker 2: one single on the Billboard Hot one hundred. In addition

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Speaker 2: to reaching number one in over fifty five.

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Speaker 1: Countries, Shakida and wy Klefschan recorded a second version of

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Speaker 1: the song that was used for the closing ceremony of

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Speaker 1: the two thousand and six FIFA World Cup, which would

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Speaker 1: set the stage for her to come back in a

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Speaker 1: couple of years Teeth. With her continued success, Shakida went

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Speaker 1: on to collaborate again with Alejandro Sanz on the track

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Speaker 1: del gradesco Ferrond, with Miguel Bosse on the duet Cito

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Speaker 1: novelves and.

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Speaker 2: And even Beyonce, but that's for next time.

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Speaker 1: Shakira didn't set out to crossover or conquer a new listenership.

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Speaker 1: She set out to seduce an entire country, and.

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Speaker 2: She succeeded Babycakes. She was dominating sponsorships, setting foot in

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Speaker 2: six out of seven continents.

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Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe that even the Penguins

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Speaker 1: and Antarctica didn't want Shakira.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Take it up with the penguins. Point blank,

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Speaker 2: girl had the world wrapped around her finger and swaying

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Speaker 2: to the rhythm.

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Speaker 1: Shakira had proven the critics wrong, but now it was

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Speaker 1: time for her to face her biggest challenge yet in

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Speaker 1: the spotlight Heartbreak on the next Becoming an Icon. Becoming

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Speaker 1: an Icon is presented by Sonoo and Iheart's Michael Duda

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Speaker 1: podcast Network. Listen to Becoming an Icon on the iHeartRadio app,

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