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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're standing by our evaluation

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Speaker 1: of George Pickens in the draft class in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: I'm here with my friend John Ledyard from Audibles and Analytics.

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Speaker 1: We had a whole plan for today's show and it

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Speaker 1: was thrown out the window when we got some rare

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Speaker 1: breaking news in May George Pickens to the Cowboys, and

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Speaker 1: no one I wanted to talk.

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Speaker 2: To more than John Ledyard. What's going on, John?

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Speaker 3: Not too much?

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you having me always excited and great to

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Speaker 3: be able to talk some ball with you, especially a

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Speaker 3: big Steelers trade. Not often that we well, more often

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Speaker 3: lately that we get these involving Steelers wide receivers. So

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Speaker 3: it'd be fun to break it down with you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's been in my head that I overrated Pickens slightly,

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Speaker 1: had him second that year.

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Speaker 2: I believe behind a lave, you know.

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Speaker 1: Looking at Garrett Wilson and Drake London, how they've done

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Speaker 1: that was probably not the right choice, but always held

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Speaker 1: out hope.

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Speaker 3: And he's talking to a Trailer Birks wide receiver truther.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, look.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Pickens is at least having a good career relatively,

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Speaker 1: although you'd never want to get traded for a future

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Speaker 1: third round pick going into the fourth year of your career.

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Speaker 1: Here's the trade, Okay, George Pickens and a seventh round

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Speaker 1: pick in twenty or sixth round pick in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: seven go to the Cowboys. They send back a third

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Speaker 1: round pick in next year's draft that's twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: and a twenty twenty seven fifth round pick. That last

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Speaker 1: extra pick was interesting to me, essentially. Yeah, the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: all they had to give up was a long trade

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Speaker 1: down from the third to the sixth round in a

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Speaker 1: future draft, and they get a the Steelers get a

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Speaker 1: fifth round pick back. What were your initial kind of

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Speaker 1: big picture thoughts when this came down, Mine, just very

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Speaker 1: quickly was it actually makes sense for both side, and

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Speaker 1: it makes sense for me, like, I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: more interested to watch the Cowboys this year. It'll be

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Speaker 1: great for content including today. What were your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the player type makes sense for Dallas. We can

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Speaker 3: talk about the intricacies of Pickens specifically and how that

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Speaker 3: all will play out no matter where he is. But

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Speaker 3: if you're just saying, oh, the Cowboys got a vertical

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Speaker 3: wide receiver who can win back shorter balls can certainly

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Speaker 3: win and contest to catch situations. We'll talk a little

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Speaker 3: bit about that and the numbers there being not quite

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Speaker 3: what they wants what they were in his rookie year,

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Speaker 3: but still I have hope that that can be better.

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Speaker 3: But I think the prototype makes sense for Dallas. The

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Speaker 3: question to me is just where do you consider the

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Speaker 3: risk factor? And that's to be honest with Dallas, though,

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Speaker 3: like haven't we been asking, we can't do both right.

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Speaker 3: We can't ask Jerry take the risk, go out there

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Speaker 3: and make a move, and he hasn't, and they've kind

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Speaker 3: of had been in this window where they should win

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Speaker 3: and they don't win, and it's so we've criticized for that.

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Speaker 3: And then he goes out and he makes the move.

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Speaker 3: And so I think from Dallas's perspective, you have to

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Speaker 3: at least see the vision for it. It's a lot

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Speaker 3: of risk, I think, and that's where I kind of

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Speaker 3: come back to the concerns just with the profile who

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Speaker 3: pickens is and where my concerns are there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll get into that, but I think if

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Speaker 1: you look at the risk, there's a lot of things

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Speaker 1: that have to be taken into account. Number one is

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Speaker 1: his contract situation. He's entering the final year of his deal.

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Speaker 1: According to Clarence Hill, who does a good job covering

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Speaker 1: the team, the George Pickens is not looking to get

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Speaker 1: a contract extension. He quote wants to show he's a

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Speaker 1: top guy this year. So it doesn't sound like either side,

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing or would be that interested in the contract.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a wait and see in the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: of course have the franchise tag if he just totally

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Speaker 1: balled out, and they could use it that way. So

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Speaker 1: you're paying for one year of George Pickens. But what's

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Speaker 1: the price. It's a third round pick, that's a significant pick.

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting, and we'll start, I guess from

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys side of it. I think it's pretty obvious

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Speaker 1: the Steelers had a price for George Pickens. I heard

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Speaker 1: coming into the draft, and Daniel Jeremiah alluded to it

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Speaker 1: on our podcast together that he was probably gone the

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Speaker 1: second that DK metcalf trade happened. But the Steelers established

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Speaker 1: they held on. It sounds like this trade was in

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Speaker 1: two pick. It just was gonna be in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: And to me, that's it's a fair price. It's like

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Speaker 1: a fair price to take a shot on Pickens, considering

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Speaker 1: it's only one round different than the pick you gave

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Speaker 1: up for Jonathan Mingo. I mean, it's a much better

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Speaker 1: value than that one. John Yeah, no doubt, and I

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Speaker 1: think that you're right.

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Speaker 3: As soon as that trade was made for DK Metcalf,

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Speaker 3: it was Pickens was done. It was just may basically

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Speaker 3: a matter of whether it would happen before the season,

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Speaker 3: during the season, or after the season that he would

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Speaker 3: leave because there was no this was it one more

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Speaker 3: year max for Pickens and Pittsburgh. So if you consider

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh a win now, this is a super contending team Pickens. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: there's no doubt losing Pickens is a talent deficit from

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Speaker 3: where they were a couple hours ago. That part is true.

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Speaker 3: That part I could agree with from a raw talent perspective,

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Speaker 3: But how the pieces all fit together and whether Pittsburgh

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Speaker 3: was actually in that sort of contending window which I

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Speaker 3: would say, and have said for quite a while that

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Speaker 3: they are not. And the best thing we can do

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Speaker 3: as an organization is recognized we actually aren't in that window,

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Speaker 3: and even though we might get the last playoff spot,

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Speaker 3: we actually aren't going to compete for anything, even to

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Speaker 3: win that solitary playoff game.

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Speaker 1: And so they're not thinking that though, John, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're not thinking that.

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Speaker 3: Now though maybe right like, could that be could this

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Speaker 3: be a sign that maybe they're starting to think, Oh,

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Speaker 3: look at next year's draft and what we could potentially do.

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Speaker 3: Now they've got potentially twelve picks in that draft, so

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Speaker 3: it's a possibility. Of course, they're going to gout and

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Speaker 3: sign Aaron Rodgers, and everything I say is going to

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Speaker 3: be completely rendered moot and irrelevant at that point because

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Speaker 3: they will be leading back into the old way of

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Speaker 3: doing things, and I'll be frustrated again. But I do

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Speaker 3: think this is a move for the future, as well

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Speaker 3: as considering we can't have two guys that are like

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Speaker 3: this on our offense. Both guys. People will say their

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Speaker 3: strengths are redundant. That is true, but I think that's

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Speaker 3: more livable than their weakness is being redundant. You can't

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Speaker 3: have two fumble too often. Yet if two guys are

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Speaker 3: terms of the spacing and understanding the construction of where

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Speaker 3: they're supposed to be on the field in relationship to

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Speaker 3: each other. Two guys one guy like that you live

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Speaker 3: for for the splash plays, the big plays down the field.

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Speaker 3: You can live with it. Two guys like that, I

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Speaker 3: just think is too much. I just think that is

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Speaker 3: be playing a young quarterback, whether it's Will Howard, and

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Speaker 3: you're going to need those pieces to be consistently where

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Speaker 3: they're supposed to be. Two guys are just they're just

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Speaker 3: that high variance and also will fight the opposing team's

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Speaker 3: defensive backs and get in the lead the league and penalties.

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Speaker 3: It's just too much to have in one room. It's

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Speaker 3: too much to have on the field at the same time.

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Speaker 3: And that was a big concern too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense to me.

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Speaker 1: To me, it says nothing about how they view themselves

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Speaker 1: this year, next year, or anything. I just think they

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Speaker 1: wanted out on George Pickens. They were just not in

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Speaker 1: the George Pickens business, and they had an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: get Dk Metcalf, who is obviously a better player than

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Speaker 1: George Pickens, a more consistent, I believe leader, from everything

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Speaker 1: that you hear, a more you can tell me, maybe

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Speaker 1: a more willing blocker, just everything that Dk Metcalf brings you.

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Speaker 1: They are betting huge on him as a core difference maker,

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Speaker 1: and the second he was on their team, they just

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Speaker 1: were out on George Pickens because of the off the

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Speaker 1: field stuff, because maybe some inconsistencies as a player, and

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Speaker 1: they just waited until the moment that they got the

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Speaker 1: right price for him, and that ultimately, I think they

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Speaker 1: don't think they necessarily should that it's not going to

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Speaker 1: hurt their winning or losing ledger to get rid of

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Speaker 1: George Pickens for this year, and eventually they got what

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Speaker 1: they felt like was a fair price.

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Speaker 2: I'd ask you, as.

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Speaker 1: Someone who is a closet Steelers fan, or maybe you're

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Speaker 1: out of the closet, I don't really know, just out there, Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: you're good, yes, and check out John by the way,

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Speaker 1: subscribe him on Audible's and analytics and get his great

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Speaker 1: Steelers writing, some Bucks writing, and then you get the

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Speaker 1: great podcast he does with Oli Connelly. Where were you

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Speaker 1: at with Pickens's development as a player and kind of

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Speaker 1: who he was after three years, because he's one of

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Speaker 1: those draft evaluations that I think almost no matter what

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Speaker 1: you say, you can say you were right three years

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Speaker 1: into his career because you've seen the ceiling plays. He

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Speaker 1: obviously is better talent wise than where he got taken

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Speaker 1: what people were worried about coming into the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean one of the key aspects of this

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Speaker 3: is the fit in today's modern NFL with who George

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Speaker 3: Pickens is a player, There are no questions he catches

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Speaker 3: the ball at an extremely high level and he can

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Speaker 3: make plays in the vertical portion of the field. But

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Speaker 3: you and I know, Greg, the NFL offense asked wide

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Speaker 3: receivers to do much more than this in today's league,

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Speaker 3: especially more than ever before. If you don't know where

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Speaker 3: all the pieces are moving with how can dense the

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Speaker 3: reducing their split and saying you need to play close

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Speaker 3: to the core of the formation, and if we're in

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Speaker 3: How do the routes distribute and break up from that

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Speaker 3: point on the field. That's what teams need from their

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Speaker 3: wide receier position, especially Arthur Smith like he needs this

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Speaker 3: from wide receier position. If you remember back to before

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Speaker 3: the Russell Wilson, before Russell Wilson became to start in Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 3: van Jefferson out snapped, out, snapped, k outsnapped George Pickens

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Speaker 3: in a couple of games. That wasn't because Van Jefferson's

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Speaker 3: better than than George Pickens. That was because they just

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Speaker 3: simply viewed Van Jefferson as a more ideal piece for

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Speaker 3: the types of things they like to do in terms

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Speaker 3: of bringing a receiver close to the liner scovers. Now the

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Speaker 3: Arthur Smith conversation, we don't have time for Greg. You know,

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Speaker 3: I am very anti. I am not suggesting in any way,

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Speaker 3: shape or form. In fact, I railed against it at

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Speaker 3: the time that that was a wise way to do things.

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Speaker 3: It was not. But I'm saying that if this is

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Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator you're committed to, and other offenses as well.

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Speaker 1: He's caught one hundred and seventy four passes, for almost

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Speaker 3: If it's going to work for them, George Pickens needs

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Speaker 3: It's just a matter of this year, what's the ceiling

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Speaker 1: I mean, they had a completely bizarre off season at

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Speaker 1: Do you look at their draft any differently now? Because

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Speaker 3: pick on the table, and that's how Pittsburgh wanted, obviously,

435
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Speaker 3: so Pittsburgh kind of waits it out. I'm not sure

436
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Speaker 3: where they were at, whether they were somebody will eventually

437
00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,639
Speaker 3: come around, or we'll just keep them, if you know,

438
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Speaker 3: if we're not getting any good compensation for him. Obviously,

439
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:38,440
Speaker 3: I think they wanted to move them, but they just

440
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,479
Speaker 3: didn't want to surrender him for nothing. They end up

441
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Speaker 3: getting the twenty twenty six third round pick from Dallas

442
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 3: and a pretty a favorable Day three swap for them,

443
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Speaker 3: which surprised me. I thought they would be the one.

444
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Speaker 1: That's a part I agree they to be clear, they

445
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,400
Speaker 1: got a Day three swap where they moved the Steelers

446
00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,159
Speaker 1: moved up from the sixth to the fifth. Not a

447
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,920
Speaker 1: huge deal, but I was surprised that they had to,

448
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, throw an extra to make it happen.

449
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Speaker 3: Yeah, part was interesting to me, But either way, I

450
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 3: think they get end up with the Day two pick

451
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,399
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six. Now, I actually think for Dallas

452
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,359
Speaker 3: they probably they clearly preferred that to giving one up

453
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. For Pittsburgh, I actually liked the

454
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six one. I mean, knowing where Dallas is

455
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,159
Speaker 3: sort of in the order, maybe was favorable to them

456
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,080
Speaker 3: because Dallas was was picking higher than I mean, that's

457
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 3: probably right around the range for them. Maybe they'll be

458
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Speaker 3: a little they hope to be a little bit lower

459
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 3: obviously this year. But I think for Pittsburgh that twenty

460
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,919
Speaker 3: twenty six drafts specifically of positions they might need to me.

461
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 3: I just I wasn't as high on the wide receiver

462
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 3: class this year as I know some people were. I

463
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 3: think the cornerback class was one of the weakest in

464
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,879
Speaker 3: years in terms of where it dropped off after the

465
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Speaker 3: top guys. So if you're looking at third round picks

466
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Speaker 3: this year, the talent at those spots, and then especially

467
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Speaker 3: in the offensive line, which is three position groups, I

468
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 3: expect the Steelers will be really interested in outside of

469
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 3: quarterback next year really not ideal for the Steelers this year,

470
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Speaker 3: and then also quarterback right next year is probably a

471
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Speaker 3: year that they want to be in position they maybe

472
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Speaker 3: make a move. So to me, the pick in twenty

473
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Speaker 3: twenty six is actually more valuable to the Steelers given

474
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Speaker 3: their long term whether you want to say it's goals,

475
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 3: I'm hoping it's goals. Whether it's goals or where they

476
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 3: just will be inevitably, whether they like it or not,

477
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 3: I think that twenty twenty six PI actually ends up

478
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 3: making more sense for them, and maybe more sense for

479
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 3: Dallas too. I am just surprised that Dallas was willing

480
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 3: to give that up, because I don't think there was

481
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Speaker 3: another team from what I've heard with was willing to

482
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Speaker 3: give him that kind of conversation.

483
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Speaker 1: Maybe by old Boss Florio helped push it along because

484
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,400
Speaker 1: he wrote an article on Tuesday round Monday rather saying

485
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones said during the draft, hey we've got these

486
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Speaker 1: big trades coming. We're working on a big trade, wait

487
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,639
Speaker 1: and see it. And he writes this articles like, hey,

488
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 1: where's that big trade you were talking about? And it

489
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 1: was now in hindsight, probably always clearly this George Pickens.

490
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,959
Speaker 1: They were probably working on it. I have a feeling

491
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Speaker 1: and felt good that at some point it was going

492
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Speaker 1: to happen. But maybe maybe he pushed it over the

493
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 1: goal line asking for it, like you'd be surprised how

494
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: things happen in this league quickly on the Steelers, and

495
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: then we'll get to just some other news. I'll say

496
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 1: goodbye to you. DK metcalf is their number one, Like

497
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 1: that is a huge upgrade. But man, the rest of

498
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 1: their receiver group is roughs. Robert Woods people are expecting

499
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: is like, like, I don't know if Robert Woods is

500
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 1: going to make that team. He wasn't able to contribute

501
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: to Houston last year. He's the contract doesn't indicate that

502
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: he's necessarily even definitely on the team. We'll see obviously

503
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 1: a great career, but he's at the.

504
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 2: End of it.

505
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 1: Calvin Austin, who has been an okay role player, I

506
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: guess as like your four, Scottie Miller, Roman Wilson, their

507
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: third round pick from a year ago, who they hope

508
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: develops into a slot guy. Ben Scaronik. I mean, it's

509
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: it's rough. There are some receivers out there. Amari Cooper

510
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: is still out there, Keenan Allen is still out there there,

511
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: Gabe Davis is now out there. There are guys I

512
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: feel like they need to add one of those guys

513
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 1: just just as like another professional to give a shot.

514
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember we're talking about Arthur Smith again, and

515
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 3: I want to be on the record. I am not

516
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 3: recommending this for do not try this at home, kids,

517
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 3: Do not try this offense at home. However, Greg, this

518
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 3: is an offense that we know over the years with

519
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 3: other Smith he said, give me one guy to run

520
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 3: the off of the passing attack through, give me a

521
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 3: playable option at tight end. They have those two things.

522
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 3: The other receivers need to be able to just fill roles.

523
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,239
Speaker 3: That's what he wants. And so when you look at

524
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 3: the group, yes, I agree with you, and a vacuum

525
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 3: Robert Woods probably should be. Will he make it? Will

526
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 3: he not? Going into the season. In reality, he's probably

527
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 3: gonna make it. And he's probably gonna make Yeah, because

528
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 3: he can play condensed, he's an adult in the room,

529
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 3: and he can block. And those are three things that

530
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: he wants. I mean, who is his number two? Mac

531
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 3: Collins was the guy that he valued. Is his number two? Like,

532
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 3: that's what he wants. He wants guys who can do

533
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 3: that tough guy stuff over the middle of the field.

534
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 3: Scourneck fits that mold. They're hoping that Roman Wilson fits

535
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 3: that mold as well. That'll be a big question. He

536
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 3: barely he was hurt. Like last year, he kept getting

537
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: nicked up, so whether he can fill that role, I

538
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 3: was lower on him the consensus. Again, for the record,

539
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: I'm trying to explain the Steelers perspective. I don't think

540
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 3: there's really a great other option in the room at all.

541
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 3: Calvin Austin is a different type of player, like a

542
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 3: vertical threat wide receiver from the slot who I think

543
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 3: can replace some of the like pass obvious downs, field

544
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 3: stretching ability. He's a guy that actually I thought was

545
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 3: really similar to Jalen Nole. Since we've been talking drafts

546
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 3: of labor, people liking guys that the vertical threat from

547
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 3: the slot just running every route of full speed stretches

548
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 3: the field for everybody else, So at least guys that

549
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: can fit. Again, it's more of who can fill the

550
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: role and function in the actual offensive system, even if

551
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 3: they're not graded or I have no special traits at it,

552
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 3: rather than who's the most talented guy, and fans sort

553
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 3: of think of, oh pickings more talented one hundred percent?

554
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: Can the other guys just literally run what Arthsman needs

555
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 3: them to do better and more versatile than Pickens. Perhaps. However,

556
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 3: I would say the ceiling on that offense of structure

557
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 3: and idea is so incredibly low. Never tried at home,

558
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: as I'm saying.

559
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just mean there's some other guys

560
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: who can play it, Like, yeah, let's get into the

561
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: rest of it. Is Gabe Davis got cut by the Jaguars,

562
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: which is quite a statement considering they owed him eleven

563
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed this year, a total disaster of a signing.

564
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: But show did Buffalo. He could be a useful enough

565
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: roleplay as a vertical threat. He should be on a

566
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: team somewhere. And maybe that's the bet they're making, that

567
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 1: there's offsets in his contract and they'll have to pay

568
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: slightly less. But man, that was a bold statement. Like

569
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: whether it's a Gabe Davis, I don't know if Keenan

570
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: Allen makes sense. I don't know if Amari Cooper makes sense.

571
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: I just mean you are you are a dk metcalf

572
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: hamstring in jewry away from just I don't know how

573
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: you're throwing a forward pass if you're the if you're

574
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: the Steelers, any any thoughts on Gabe Davis now available.

575
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'd be interesting, I think. I mean, when he

576
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 3: was in Buffalo, I feel just the verticality of who

577
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 3: he is as a player feels like it would be

578
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 3: valuable for an offense that needed that. Nowther Steelers have

579
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 3: a couple of those types of pieces. The type of

580
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 3: piece they really need is like what Robert Woods was

581
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 3: in his prime or you know, I don't think they

582
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 3: were going to take a Mechaguka, but like that type

583
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 3: of player and so, but again, they probably weren't going

584
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 3: to take him, even if the Bucks didn't, because they

585
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 3: don't really value that role in this offense. That wide

586
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: res your two roles. So it's just a value proposition,

587
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 3: I think to them. And so I think from their perspective,

588
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 3: like if this if they were going to be at

589
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: their best or most effective as an offense. Just you're

590
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 3: looking across the league. For get Arthur Smith, a player

591
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 3: like that who could block, were condensed morek the middle

592
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: of the field, make tough catches though, that would be

593
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 3: the prototype of what they'd be looking for. So I

594
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 3: think hoping that Robert Woods can provide that is probably

595
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 3: you know, not ideal. Could Gabe Davis Phil a role

596
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 3: could he be, you know, a piece on this team

597
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: given where their cores at? For sure, that's possible. I

598
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: think Keenan Allen's about cooked. I'm not sure i'd be

599
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 3: that into.

600
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree.

601
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm naming him because I'm regretting putting him in my

602
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: top one oh one at the end.

603
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 2: I think he was at eighty three.

604
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: You know, he finished the season with sub productive and

605
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: he's Keenan Allen. There's always some hope that he could

606
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: bounce back, but it's thin out there. Those players are

607
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: not easier to find. Knowing the Steelers lately, they're more

608
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: likely to wait till cut down and then sign like

609
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: Braxton Barrios from the Texans as their fourth receiver or something.

610
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 3: Like that, because the names come up.

611
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: Actually, yes, I'm glad you mentioned that Allen hard If

612
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: Rogers is there, his Binkie could could come with him.

613
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: It kind of makes sense.

614
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: Joking.

615
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: That's the thing is can can Rogers even I don't

616
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: think he could take advantage of George Pickens at this

617
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: point of his career. Just is unwilling to go deep

618
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 1: down the field. Can't Can he get the best at

619
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: a dk Metcalf h we'll see. I did want to

620
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: mention Dallas Goddter reportedly is agreeing to a rework deal

621
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: with the Philadelphia Eagles. The Eagles had made it pretty

622
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: clear all off season that he was potentially available for

623
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: a trade. Definitely, we're kind of putting the screws to him.

624
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: I believe to take some sort of pay cut. We

625
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: don't have the details on that yet, but I would

626
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: expect that he took some sort of pay cut to stay,

627
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: so that that's a win for the Eagles.

628
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it always made more sense for him

629
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: to stay, in my opinion, Like I just felt like

630
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 3: he's a pivotal piece when he's healthy for them, I

631
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: think because they ask him to do stuff not every

632
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: title in the league can do, and they've really developed

633
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 3: him they I mean, they've kind of made the monster.

634
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 3: And when Tucker Craft came out, I was like this,

635
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: I hope he can be Dallas Goddter, and I think

636
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 3: he's on that path to be that type of player.

637
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 3: But I think just what Goddard does as a blocker

638
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 3: in the move, how he can play from different lignements,

639
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 3: the fact that he can catch screen, you can line

640
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 3: up as a wide out and little gitially run those routes,

641
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 3: catch screens and be a threat, and he just he's

642
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 3: not dominant maybe at any one thing. Maybe I mean

643
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: at times as a blocker. When he's been healthy, there's

644
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: been some really nice stretches for him, but he's really

645
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 3: good at a lot of different stuff, and they really

646
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: need a piece like that with where they're at and

647
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: their window. It just it sort of made sense that

648
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 3: they found a way to stay together, and I'm glad

649
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 3: that they did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm always a little dubious of on off splits

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Speaker 1: or the equivalents in football, but man, when when he

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Speaker 1: wasn't on the field, you felt that difference because it

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Speaker 1: was such a big falloff from their two great outside

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Speaker 1: receivers to not really having anyone reliable insights. So I'm

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Speaker 1: glad they worked that out. But I think it was

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Speaker 1: just they felt they felt like they couldn't rely on

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Speaker 1: him to stay on the field enough. But they got

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Speaker 1: through the draft, they didn't end up with a high

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Speaker 1: pick tight end, and they're they're all going to be

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Speaker 1: back there on offense twenty twenty five, which helps Jalen

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Speaker 1: hurts out a lot, and then before we go. I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to kind of close the circle. On Monday's show,

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Speaker 1: we actually talked at length about the Justin Tucker situation

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Speaker 1: and the wording that John Harbaugh had about how interesting

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Speaker 1: it was.

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Speaker 2: He said, football decisions.

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Speaker 1: If we cut Justin Tucker, it will be a football decision,

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Speaker 1: And in fact, since we talked about it, they did

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Speaker 1: cut him, And that was the most notable thing about

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Speaker 1: it for me. The quote from Eric DeCosta when they

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Speaker 1: released him. He said, sometimes football decisions are incredibly difficult.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those instances. And then the tone

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Speaker 1: of it very complimentary of Justin Tucker and how tough

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Speaker 1: it was to release him, and they sincerely wish him

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Speaker 1: in his family the very best in this next chapter

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Speaker 1: of their lives. And I just wanted to say, well,

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Speaker 1: I found the tone of it off putting, with the

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Speaker 1: sixteen sexual assault allegations that went into it, and them

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Speaker 1: leading with football decisions so clearly in their statement. I

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Speaker 1: also just I think it was a legal thing that

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Speaker 1: they do not want Justin Tucker or the NFLPA to

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Speaker 1: come after them, and frankly, I would have expected them

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Speaker 1: to bring in another kicker and potentially cut Tucker or

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Speaker 1: make them compete for his job this year anyways. And

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily believe that the off field stuff didn't

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Speaker 1: have a factor, but that's just what they put because

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Speaker 1: they are covering their own ass. We have seen that

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Speaker 1: a lot in the NFL. You have covered us gloriously.

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Speaker 1: John Ledyard. I'm going to get you off to your

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Speaker 1: day because I know you're busy, but I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: stepping in at the last second and talking a little.

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Speaker 1: George Pickens to the Cowboys. The Cowboys are going to

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Speaker 1: be more interesting. I don't know if that'll be true

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Speaker 1: with the Steelers, if it's like Mason Rudolph throwing to

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Speaker 1: Roman Wilson.

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Speaker 3: And We for seven. Maybe not in Toy twenty no.

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Speaker 1: But I do expect Rodgers has got to be there eventually.

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Speaker 1: Sorry about that, John, wrap it up. We will be

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Speaker 1: back for our final show of the week. It's actually

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Speaker 1: going to go up Friday morning. That's going to be

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Speaker 1: with Nick Chuck. Very excited about that one.

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Speaker 2: Until then.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the Dallas Cowboys actually given us some news to

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Speaker 1: talk about in the middle of May.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Jerry Jones. Football's back