1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Look, oh, I see you, my ow and look over 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: there is that culture. 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: Yes, lost culture. 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Lost cultures. As our guest takes a massive hit of 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: the vape, I'm jealous, to be quite honest. 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: Stars are back. Star behavior is back. Hit the vape. 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: That's you know weed. No, we know, it's just weed. 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 2: We love it. It doesn't matter. This is the thing. 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 3: Back in the day, like let's say, at the Shadow, 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 3: there would be signs and I'm saying the seventies, there'd 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 3: be signs of the doors that were like no actors, 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 3: people in showbiz were never moral paragons. And now it's like, okay, 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 3: we all got to like behave and like everyone street. 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 2: And no smoking inside. I'm sick of egg shells. 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm so fucking the egg. When you crack the egg, 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: give me the yolks straight away. And you know when 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: I'm coming because I call in advance, I make a reserv. 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: This is my own thing, so honey, later it's gonna 19 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: be egg forward. Period. 20 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: We just high five for those who can't watch us 21 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: and are listening to this like it's still just a podcast. 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: It's TV. It's TV. It's a TV. Shure, we're on 23 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 3: the idiot box, like everyone else. 24 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of TV the Emmys, I just want to 25 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,279 Speaker 1: say some shout outs. Shannah Einbinder, We're proud of you, baby, 26 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: every single bit of every moment. Hannah Einbinder, Geene Smart, 27 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: Kristin Miliotti, Oh it happened, Aaron dolerty Ado lesson love 28 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: when Cooper had lessons. Honestly, the winners were so fantastic 29 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: to your and surprising, and we'll save the best for 30 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: last and say, Jeff Hiller, God, what I was I 31 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: said to bo I was like, what did that feel 32 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: like in the room? 33 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: Quickly tell them rapturous, euphoric volcanic. 34 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: I would say, I erupted from the corona of my crown, Chakra, 35 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: I erupted from the corona of my corona crown. I'm 36 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: being redundant and repeating words essentially, but you know what 37 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: I mean, like something I connected with that's like. 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: A Lord lyric. It's like a lyric by the singer Lord. 39 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: You're saying, Lord has redundant from the crowd. 40 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: Coon shock Anyway, loved, loved, Get them next year, girl 41 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: girl Never I'm Susan Lucci until I die. 42 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: I think that's really chic for you. To love it. 43 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 3: Oh well, nothing better. I get to go to the 44 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 3: little parties, these little parties fun. Oh wait, I have 45 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 3: to shout out ahead Britney Snow, Malin Ackerman, Katie Lowe's 46 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 3: Rebecca Cutter involved in Hunting wise because they were the 47 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: bells of the ball. Everyone turned, I love got and say, wow, 48 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 3: look at them. They are television peak television. And I 49 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: want to say someone dropped out during the broadcast from presenting. 50 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: They pulled in Brittany and Mallin during the show because 51 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 3: thee Leston I sat in front of them. They were like, 52 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: I guess we're presenting so chill so matter of fact, 53 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: did grow professional. They were like, yeah, we don't know 54 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: what the copy is yet. They did not find out 55 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 3: the copy until ten minutes before. And I would say 56 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 3: one of the highlights of the night. Sorry, I took 57 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 3: me on. 58 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: And so I had this is brilliant to hear. And 59 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: I just want to say I had a night full 60 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: of highlights the other night because I went to go 61 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: I think my fifth time yes to the Broadway production 62 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: O Mary. Oh yeah right, because it's kind of at 63 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: the point now where it's like every time they announce 64 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: even even I get like a whiff of a casting rumor, 65 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: and then it comes to me. I'm like, well, I 66 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: guess I'm going again. And it's never a hardship. It's 67 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: always hard. It's always a hard me rock card in 68 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: the seats for comedy and more. 69 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 3: When they post the Daguero type of whatever actor in 70 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 3: the curls and the Brady curls, as Cola Scola puts it, 71 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: I go, I guess I'm buying. 72 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: Can I say this is the year where we've got 73 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: Cola Scola with a Tony Jeff Hiller with an Emmy. 74 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: And Jamel Tillman with an Emmy. 75 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: Currently our guest on the boards and become a Broadway 76 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: fixture and so deservedly so. I can't think of anything 77 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: more right. Also, since we've last seen our guests, she 78 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: has won RuPaul's Drag Race All Winners All Stars, which 79 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: what was the title they gave but what it was 80 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: called the Superstar of the of the Queendom or whatever. 81 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: You know, They're always coming up with these long, long titles, honorifics. 82 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: If you will, it is a true joy as always 83 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: to sort of and let me hit that. Am I allowed? 84 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: Yeah? Of course? Trust here you're an all the I'm 85 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 2: on prep because we can share this and that's the 86 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: sort of everything I need to talk about today. 87 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 3: This or prep prep, this is going to be the 88 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: most prep forward episode we've ever had. 89 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: Well, well, that's on you. We should have been way 90 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: more prep forward. Well that's good. 91 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: Is that medical sure? 92 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 2: I mean I use it medisinally. I got it from 93 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: a legal dispensary. Okay, well wait for you to finish, 94 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: jas Monson. We got a little carried away there, but 95 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: much I wanted to interject in all of that. Well, 96 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 2: first of all, I wanted to name drop constantly, because 97 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 2: you said Hannah Bindbinder, who was a guest judge on 98 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: All Stars Seven Jeans Smart, who I have yet to meet, 99 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: like face to face, but I performed for her at 100 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 2: the Tony the Pirates. Oh my god, I said it wrong? 101 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 2: After what how do you say it? Penzance? And I've 102 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: watched press people's say pins and pins, and you know 103 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 2: that might be the one symptom I still feel from weed, 104 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: because like what I was going to say is, I'm 105 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: so like I seem pretty function to you, right, Yes, 106 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,559 Speaker 2: I'm on so many other things that negate the weed 107 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 2: that the weed is just like patching in the cracks. 108 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: That's how I feel about it. Jean Smart, she was 109 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: in recently on Broadway, across the street from my building, 110 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 2: so sometimes I would be getting out of my car 111 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: and she'd be doing her stage store and I'd get 112 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: to just like look over and there's Jean Smart, right. 113 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 2: And when that wasn't happening, then I had her giant 114 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: poster just outside my window. So life has become really genie. 115 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: It's become very surreal, and I've just had to embrace it, 116 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: because if I sit around commenting on how the real 117 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: it is, I'll be one of those people who's like, my, all, 118 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 2: this is so amazing, rather than shut up enjoy it. Then, 119 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 2: I've been trying to practice talking less. I'm not doing 120 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: very why because I dominate everything anyway, because I don't 121 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: want dogs. Well yeah, I'm what they call a bossy 122 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: bottom anyway, the general the queerdom. Jeff Hiller recently came 123 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: to see Oh Mary. Michael Yuriy was also nominated, and 124 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: of course, of course I was rooting for my cast 125 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: made that that's what you do. But also Jeff is 126 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: a friend and they are friends with each other. And 127 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: so you know when he came to see the show 128 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: and Michael and him were hugging, and the three of 129 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: us were hugging and congratulating each other on kicking a 130 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: lot of ass as very queer people unapologetically. So I 131 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: think the last thing I said to them before I 132 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: departed that night was now one of you go win 133 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: that and me so a straight guy doesn't get it. 134 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: I didn't really know who the rest of the nominees 135 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: are because I'm the one completely unplugged from current culture 136 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: by choice. 137 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: Anyway, he was in the very category. 138 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: So I'm well, see the odds, and that's what I 139 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: want to talk about, about, like us kicking ass. You know, 140 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: I'm so please, Do you forgive me? I'm so sorry. 141 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 2: I didn't know. It's something I couldn't care, but that 142 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: the same applies to you. If you had been there, 143 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 2: I would have said, now one, were you there that night? 144 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: I was not that night because it's all in the blend, 145 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: but that category. I didn't even realize this until after 146 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: the fact, Like everyone makes it made like a little 147 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: lovely moment out of like the boxes when they announced, 148 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 3: like you know, the three of us sleeping for Josh 149 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: which was me and Coleman and Michael like, oh right, 150 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 3: it's because this was a like for the first time 151 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: in a long time, and like not any award show, 152 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 3: but in a long since I can remember, like a 153 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: mostly gay guy group Category four seven. 154 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: It's it's an astounding thing to witness. It's like so 155 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: many things all at once. And I was talking to 156 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: you about this when you came to see, oh Mary, 157 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: that there was a scarcity in this industry for us, 158 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: the visibly unapologetically queer, like couldn't try to hide it 159 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: if we want to do so, Why like waste my 160 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: life trying to play characters that aren't right for me 161 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: when I know what's right for me, right, And I 162 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: can keep pulling this thread. But basically, like if you 163 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: look at you two with this podcast that's become a 164 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: TV show, right, and you look at Cola Scola who 165 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: wrote Omary, and you look at Michael and Jeff and 166 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: all of these people succeeding. Do you know why we're 167 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 2: fucking succeeding right now? Because when no one believed in us, 168 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: we created our own stuff. You know, you created this 169 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: when the roles were scarce, cole created their own play 170 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: to create more roles for people like us and look 171 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: at the roster since you know, and then it's just 172 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: it's this amazing thing. And I was telling Matt, like, 173 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: when there was the scarcity, it didn't matter what the 174 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: role was, if there was any role that wasn't like 175 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: in the box, we were all going for it. It 176 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: didn't matter if you were a drag queen or a 177 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: trans woman or a gay guy or you know, it 178 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 2: was like the role's queer. So we all have to 179 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 2: find a way to go for it. And then we're 180 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: all kind of like, oh, I hope you get it knowing, 181 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 2: you know, but we're all actually, you know, it was hard. 182 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 2: It used to be hard to watch roles go to 183 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 2: other performers, not because you don't want it for them, 184 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: but because you're like, well, there goes that role this year. 185 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: That's the only one that's gonna happen. But now that 186 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: that scarcity is not a thing, as I was saying 187 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: to Matt the other night, it is so easy to 188 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: celebrate each other. Yeah, you know, like, and I learned 189 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: all of this from creating the Jinks and Dayla Holiday Show, 190 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 2: which is my thing that we created. Right, So if 191 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: you look at all these queer artists that are blowing 192 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: up right now. We've all been doing this for twenty 193 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: years or something. You know, I don't know how old 194 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 2: you are, but we're probably the same age. Yeah, you 195 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 2: probably sixteen years literally exactly. So it's like exactly, it 196 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: didn't happen overnight. But the ability to celebrate one another 197 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 2: only just keeps because then we pull each other in 198 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: rather than fighting with each other, rather than competing, we 199 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: all pull each other in and then recommend each other 200 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: for roles because we have worked at tearing down those 201 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: stick mess And you also get. 202 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: I think, better at what you do and funnier when 203 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: you're surrounded by people who you're inspired by and have 204 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 1: things in common with, as opposed to pushing those things away. 205 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: Just every single time community has been you can draw 206 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: a direct line to why something succeeded, how something got better. 207 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: I think that's why we were also happy for Jeff, 208 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 3: because Jeff was this true like an actual leader in 209 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: terms of like comedy gays or theater gaze if like 210 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 3: it was him teaching at uc B or being in 211 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: the main stage casts that we all went to go 212 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 3: see the shows he inspires Josh Arp and Air and 213 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 3: Jackson to then come together whatever they have a model 214 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: for this, they put their show up. Then we all 215 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 3: go see their show and go hang out at Barracuda 216 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 3: Rest in Peace afterwards. It was like us and Cole 217 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: and Julio and like all of all of the New 218 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 3: York comedy queers just like hanging out and then like 219 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 3: that's that's like we always say, that was the beginning 220 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 3: of actual like New York queer comedy. 221 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: Well and also, for what it's worth, we were also 222 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: watching you on television. 223 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: Is happening like you just described your New York queer 224 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: comedy community in the drag world, you know, Alaska had 225 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: dragged the musical off Broadway. Her and I were Her 226 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: and I and Cole and Tommy Dorfman were all nominated 227 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: for this Acting award with a bunch of muggety MUCKs 228 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: and my friend's mom Mia. I love saying that I 229 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: do as much as my friend you know mea. Anyway, 230 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: it was incredible to look around at that function, the 231 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 2: Drama League Awards and see all the big people who 232 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: are having a really big moment on Broadway, see lifers 233 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: in the biz, see like people who are household names. 234 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: I mean, Nick Jonas was sitting right behind me looking 235 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 2: down my dress. I'm sure, yeah, you know I mentioned 236 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 2: me a pharaoh. It was like and to even be 237 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: able to look over my shoulder and see me a 238 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: pharaoh just sitting there and she politely, you know, because 239 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: he's my friend's and she's so incredibly kind. I love 240 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: her so much. It's the Pharaoh family are like chosen 241 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: family to me. So it was incredible to see those 242 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: faces and then see familiar of course, because you were 243 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: talking about your comedy family in New York. And I 244 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: just keep thinking about I when YouTube was a brand 245 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: new website. That's how long I've been a fan of 246 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: Colascla and Jeffrey self, starting with It's just them kind 247 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: of like dominating short form as it was being born, yep, 248 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 2: so much so that a TV network logo picked them up. 249 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: And then I watched every episode of Jeffrey and Cole Casserole. 250 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: So it's like copying a huge sensation on Broadway and 251 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 2: the ability to celebrate that truly and genuinely it fuels 252 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: me to keep going because I'm like, we gotta take 253 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: this and run. 254 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I say, like this the the scarcity is 255 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: not like fully in the past, like no, it keeps 256 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 3: trying to like push this. 257 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: Oh, and then that's why we have to double down. 258 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: And again what I'm saying is like, we created our 259 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: own stuff, and it's authentic to who we are as performers. 260 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 2: And when we get hired for things because they saw 261 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: something in your podcast or something whatever, you can connect 262 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: the dots. But like when they hire you from your 263 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: work that's authentically you, then you get to be authentically 264 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: you in the work that they hire you, rather than 265 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: having to show up at an audition and be like, oh, 266 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: my name is the voice? Was that guys is voice? No? 267 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 3: I don't really I've never really been able to mask it. 268 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 3: Matt certainly does. 269 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: I mean I was, can you remember it? 270 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: It gets you know, what's crazy, It gets harder to 271 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: slip into as I get older and more comfortable, like 272 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: Long Island accent and also my masculine thing. But it's 273 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: kind of like this, I guess I mean to be quite. 274 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: Definitely that immediately as the dial, the slurring, what it 275 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: needed to do with. 276 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's shorter vowels, you can't push your asses. It's 277 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 3: I think that's the end. The end the upper lips, 278 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 3: sort of like flux. It's like, I'm not gonna see I. 279 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 3: I don't even want to try it. 280 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: You don't have to. I'm just curious you guys. I'm 281 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 2: gonna do mine for you. Well, like back in college, 282 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: if it was someone I felt safe around, and I'd 283 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: say like, good morning, I'm just cleaning the room. But 284 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: if it was someone I didn't know, we're going to 285 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: feel safer. Happened to be in your room and while 286 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 2: you were cleaning, and you know I was a stand 287 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: or college you were you actually were. Please don't send 288 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: me on an I thought you were doing. Oh my god, 289 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 2: it was a bit and I don't need to come 290 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: up with fiction anyway, good morning, I'm cleaning room. And 291 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: then say it was someone else, it probably would have 292 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: sounded like, hey, just cleaning, you know, like just trying 293 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 2: to be because when I tried to do a straight voice, 294 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 2: it sounds like what I did jokingly and it's sounding funny. 295 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: And then people are like what is this like? Because 296 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 2: like if I I can pitch my voice very low, 297 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: this would be the lowest I can do. But it's 298 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 2: like that coming out of me is like, what's the fuck. 299 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: How to do. 300 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 3: That when I played the wach game is who who 301 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 3: is that? That sounds like, please, let's not. 302 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 2: Contificate that, but no, no, The point is is like 303 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: I learned that playing that Cowardly Lion in high school. 304 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 2: But it's such a care that was your take on 305 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: the cowardly Lion? Oh well, I would slip into it 306 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 2: when he would be try to be so yeah. Yeah, 307 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 2: it's like my actual cowardly lion voice was oh oh no, 308 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 2: really a dandy, a snaggle pul exitge. You forget that 309 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 2: he was would. But the thing is, is not an 310 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: attractive It doesn't. It doesn't. It's the case. 311 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 3: It's wasn't when to what the roles I play these, 312 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 3: But I think you bring it to I think you 313 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 3: are bringing a very shall I say, like full spectrum 314 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: of gender to Mary. 315 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: I think that's your unique take on Mary. It's like 316 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 2: your lawyer Sam, like a fucking. 317 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 3: Like that, which like hold it necessarily, do you know 318 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 3: Betty it is Titus didn't do it. But when I 319 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 3: saw you do do Mary a couple of weeks ago, 320 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 3: I was like, Shinx is one of our preeminent screamers. 321 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 3: I think you have to You're screaming in such a 322 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 3: considered way, and I imagine there's some vocal like exercise 323 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 3: or health that helps gets well. 324 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 2: I've been joking. This is my easy answer because if 325 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: I try to give the real answer, then it's like 326 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 2: a ten minute conversation because I go on tangents. Anyway, 327 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: the quick, fun answer I say is well, I worked 328 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,239 Speaker 2: as a drag queen for over twenty years and I 329 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 2: still do. So I've worked in every shitty venue and 330 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 2: had to find a way to be heard in every 331 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 2: crappy situation, and so I've learned a lot of different tricks. 332 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 2: The true thing is every role I've played, because I 333 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 2: always like to start with like, I don't like a 334 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 2: character having my voice. I want to find even if 335 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: it sounds like my voice, I want to find the 336 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: like the ways it's different. What's Barry's voice? Just a 337 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 2: little more? Sorry, I have to like, yeah, I'm you 338 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 2: on the spot. I can't. I can't drop into her 339 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: right right right up, just qualitatively, like what do you 340 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 2: think it is? I think Mary's one of the closers 341 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 2: in my actual voice. Over the years, I have picked 342 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: up from every character different techniques, Like I know I 343 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: can pitch my voice that low because I played the 344 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 2: Cowardly Lion once and I found that trick then and 345 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 2: I never lost it. And so all of my screaming 346 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 2: is very particularly placed and pitched, so that if I 347 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: growl here, then I know I have to kind of 348 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 2: like whispery'll here until I can get another drink of water, 349 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: cough and clear my throat and whatever I need to 350 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: do to then growl again. So I plot a course, 351 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: and that's what I do with rehearsal. Is I get 352 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: very technical about Okay. 353 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 3: My dresser has to be here backstage with a bottle 354 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 3: of Asensha. 355 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 2: With my own I'm sorry. I don't rely on people 356 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: that just have my brand. You're carrying, I'm carrying you're carrying. 357 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: But what was the thing? Oh Mary? Well, she's like 358 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: more wide and she goes a lot more angel yes, 359 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: and there's moments where she just you know, like she 360 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 2: just is all. She's very erratic. It's just with Mary. 361 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: I've mentioned it a few times, but I like to 362 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 2: clear my head of what's going on in my life. 363 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: Uh huh, as best I can. Everyone who works with 364 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 2: me knows, like two hours before showtime. Please don't hit 365 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: me up with something crucial that's gonna throw me off course, 366 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: because that is like when I'm listening to my playlist 367 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 2: and I'm doing my makeup, and I'm checking in with 368 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 2: the cast and I'm getting into the mindset, and then 369 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 2: this is the first time I've ever been cognizant of 370 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: the fact that I go on stage with a clear 371 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: head and then let my ADHD be Mary's ADHD. And 372 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 2: I realized in retrospect I was totally doing that with 373 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: Ruth too, but with Ruth I was calling it her 374 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: hearing problem. With Audrey, I was calling it her like 375 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 2: nervousness around men. So I always have found a way 376 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: to disguise it so that like, if I'm fully locked 377 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 2: in and present with everyone on stage, then my ADHD 378 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: is seeing every little thing. And when people say I'm 379 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 2: good at improfits because I keep my peripheral open as 380 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 2: much as possible. And probably that came from having to 381 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 2: walk down to the street as a queer person, having 382 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: I think about that a lot too now with my 383 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 2: noise cancelation headphones in. 384 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 3: I'd the street once because you had those headphones in 385 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 3: and I had you had to like really really get 386 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 3: in your eye line, and it was amazing because. 387 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 2: I'm laser focused in Times Square. That's the way you 388 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 2: have have to be. We stomp. We're stompers to our 389 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: music on the streets. 390 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the. 391 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: Only way to get you through it you have to 392 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: make a game of it. Mario Kart. 393 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think that those games did help. Walking 394 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: the streets of New York. It's like, I see where 395 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: I am going, like, I, yeah, there's something You're in 396 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: a tunnel. 397 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 2: The thing I feel is so before being able to 398 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 2: call it ADHD or whatever special acute thing is going 399 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: on up here, ADHD is like pretty much what it 400 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: looks like, right, whatever's going on up here. When I 401 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 2: thought my brain was broken, I wanted to suppress all 402 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: of it because I just didn't want people thinking what 403 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 2: a freak, you know, right as soon as I started 404 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 2: working with a psychiatrist and a therapist and they helped 405 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 2: me identify what I'm dealing with here, and I'm on, 406 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: like I said, I'm on medication that helps me with 407 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 2: all my symptoms. And so I just want to say 408 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: publicly when I'm hitting my vape, it's not because I 409 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: don't take my work seriously. It's because the vape help. 410 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 2: It fills in the cracks. Like I said, if I 411 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 2: have ten thoughts going. 412 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: On, yeah you limit them. 413 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 2: It goes down to five, I think on the way. 414 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 2: But you know, like that's another tangent heavy tangent zone 415 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 2: there should bear. 416 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I mean, that's that's very interesting that 417 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's a truth because I feel like there 418 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: are roles that are complementary to that kind of. 419 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 3: Thought, like that kind of like attention to things that 420 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 3: you have with your ADHD as you're on stage and 421 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 3: as you're plugged in to people. 422 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: I think Mary is one of those roles right where 423 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 2: absolutely because you could look at her and think she's 424 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 2: a sociopath and that's one way to play her. And 425 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 2: that's I mean, that's what I thought the first time 426 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 2: I saw it. But now that I've worked with her 427 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: and had to empathize with her and had to get 428 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 2: inside trying to decode calls, very very like perfectly written show. 429 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 2: There's a reason why it works so well with so 430 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 2: many different guests, Like the writing is just incredible, and 431 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: so there's a lot of material there to pick ap 432 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: heart and figure out why she does what she does. 433 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 2: And so I was like, well, so Ceopeth's one way 434 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 2: to go, but I always like to go everything's genuine 435 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 2: because that raises the stakes, Like if the character isn't 436 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 2: lying and this whole time they secretly have a secret 437 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 2: that negates everything they're doing on stage or whatever, I 438 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 2: don't know, whatever the internal monologue, I'm like, no, I 439 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 2: want to make sure I'm committing to the truth of 440 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 2: what's going on with this character. And Scott Ellis was 441 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: talking a lot about that in Pirates. It's like it's 442 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: a farce, but for the characters, the stakes are life 443 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: and death, and that's what makes it funny, is committing 444 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 2: to that truth for them. So this was just kind 445 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 2: of affirming something I was already kind of like figuring 446 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: out for myself. And so anyway, that was a tangent. 447 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: But I was like, sociopath means she's doing all of 448 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 2: this just because she doesn't care. But ADHD can mean 449 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 2: she says it very loudly. I'm so bored and I 450 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 2: know that feeling and Cole and I are both people 451 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 2: who used to drink and don't anymore, right, So I'm like, Okay, 452 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 2: things are lining up, Things are lining up. I'm like, 453 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 2: she's bored. Everything that happens gives her a new idea. 454 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 2: She used to use alcohol to numb it down. Everyone's 455 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 2: like time. And then that pulls another thread, like Okay, 456 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: that's why she wants the alcohol so bad. It's not 457 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 2: necessarily that, you know. It's like, don't you understand. It's 458 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 2: the thing that you won't want me to behave normal, 459 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: and she believes that's the thing that's gonna help her 460 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 2: behave normal. I've fucking been there. Yeah, But then the 461 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 2: whole idea of like alcohol helping you feel normal is 462 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 2: the tipping point is like, yeah, why fuck with that, right, 463 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,239 Speaker 2: because it's so easy to overdo it and then you 464 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 2: can't backpedal. 465 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 3: I want to talk about playing drunk because like it's 466 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 3: this thing that like seems a little bit trivial. It 467 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 3: seems like all actors can do it, all comedians can 468 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 3: do it. 469 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 2: They can't. 470 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 3: It's very hard, and they feel like there's you know, 471 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 3: a feature in this show where where you're talking about, 472 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 3: like there's a moment, a couple of moments in the 473 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 3: show where Mary is like drunk, like one particular moment. 474 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 3: But I feel like and I haven't really gotten to 475 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 3: talk to Cole about this, but I feel like they 476 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 3: wrote the show was a way to like make sense 477 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 3: of their addiction in a way, and I feel I. 478 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: Have to imagine, I mean, Mary is this erratic character that, 479 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 2: like I said, the first time I saw it, I 480 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 2: thought she was a sociopath. And then I spent some 481 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: time with the material, and I'm sure if I had 482 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 2: seen it a second time, I would have like unlocked 483 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 2: it fast with Cole before getting a role, and then 484 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: I stuck in a few more times. Anyway, the point 485 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: being that I just felt like she's not a sociopath, 486 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 2: She's dealing with real things for her. And then I 487 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: know that Cole said they wrote the role to share 488 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 2: parts of themselves that they had previously never thought of 489 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 2: putting on stage right that And I've been saying this 490 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 2: a lot because people keep saying to me, which is 491 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: the hugest compliment, because like I said, this is like 492 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 2: a perfect play. It's incredibly written, it's incredibly structured. If 493 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 2: you do the text analysis, this is like a tight, 494 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 2: well constructed play. You can tell that people who really 495 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 2: cared about it put a lot of work into it. 496 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: It's of the best monologues too. Yeah, like the Great 497 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: Day Monologue is like, I think one of the greats. 498 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: I think I had a different point, but the it's 499 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: like it's great material to work with. So it's easy 500 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: to find all of this stuff. And I keep saying, Oh, 501 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 2: Cole and I have lived parallel lives, right, I've been 502 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 2: saying this a lot. Cole not necessarily a drag queen, 503 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 2: but has played many drag roles or roles where Cole was, 504 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 2: you know, gender bending. If we're still been calling it 505 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 2: these days, I'm like, I'm thinking, like it was just 506 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 2: col being cold, right, like you know, Cole, It's like 507 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: Bernadette Peters Cole. I'm like, I couldn't call that drag 508 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 2: because it was just one wig and some lipstick. It 509 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: wasn't drag. It was like channeling. And so I've thought 510 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 2: this for a while. We met thirteen years ago Cole 511 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: and I colonoscopy Cole and I in Australia. That was 512 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 2: the first time we met, but I had been a 513 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 2: lifelong fan, and so me and Cole and Jeffrey run 514 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 2: into each other because we're all on comedy tours in Australia, 515 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: and I started I was like you're on a comedy 516 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: tour in Australia, I'm gonna come, Like, oh my gosh. 517 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 2: I started to feel like these people that inspired me 518 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 2: to be so queer in my work because they were 519 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 2: making it work for themselves. I like kind of catching 520 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,719 Speaker 2: up with them, you know. It was this moment of like, 521 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 2: are we all kind of doing the same thing each other? Right? 522 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? 523 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 2: You know the feeling and then it's like and then 524 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 2: as it became more normal to know them, it was 525 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 2: just kind of like, oh, we do the same thing 526 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: in different ways. And thinking of that, it's like the 527 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: hugest compliment when people say it feels like this role 528 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 2: was written for you, and I'm like, it wasn't. It 529 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 2: was written for coal. It just happens to be so 530 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 2: well written and so true to life that anyone who 531 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: has lived a similar life or can easily like transpose 532 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: what Mary's going through onto their life, like I was 533 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 2: easily able to do. Yeah, because we live these parallel lives. 534 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 2: It's like, no, it wasn't written for me, but you 535 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 2: can see why people say it, right, yeah, speaking to it's. 536 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: Both of your lives. And I also was thinking about 537 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: the Great Day model as actually an anxious thought. You 538 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean that that whole monologue is actually 539 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: one big ADHD tunnel that you can get through about 540 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: like it's literally her racing towards something before it's even 541 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: had the chance to be because she's so po and 542 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: it panics her. And like, what I love about that 543 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: moment is like the the opportunity it gives the audience 544 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: to realize the care Like it's because. 545 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 2: You may not have actually even realized that, you know 546 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 2: what I kept saying, I thought she was a sociopath. 547 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 2: That's probably the point in the show where I go, 548 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: it's not a sociopath. Her circumstances are dire. Yeah, And 549 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 2: then I think about, you know, now that I've spent 550 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 2: so much time with the material, her circumstances are life 551 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 2: and death. Yes, in no uncertain terms. It's not like 552 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 2: interpreting it. Her circumstances are life and then yeah, And 553 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 2: I just relate to Mary so much, but I know 554 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 2: so many people do. And again that's a credit to 555 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 2: the writing, a credit to the direction. But I was 556 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 2: gonna I almost didn't want to share this because I'm like, 557 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 2: am I really going to give away this secret to 558 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: my performance? 559 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: Give it? 560 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 2: While I'm still in the run, but you only have 561 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 2: like a week left. Oh okay the Great Day monologue 562 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 2: for those in the No. For me, my great day 563 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 2: is literally playing Mary on Oh It's that easy. And 564 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 2: I was like, I bet Cole was thinking that too 565 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 2: when they wrote this, And I'm like, Cole, I didn't 566 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 2: know this was going to be on Broadway when they 567 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 2: wrote this. They just wrote something so true to what 568 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 2: it feels like when you were born to do this 569 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 2: and you have known it your like, I'm talking whole life, yep. 570 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 2: Like as long as I've known that I was trans 571 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 2: and a redhead, I've also known I was an actor, 572 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 2: a performer, a singer at all. 573 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 3: I mean, you have you have six great days and 574 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 3: one of them is a great matinee day. 575 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 2: Two of them are sometimes yeah, wait two days. 576 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 3: Say if your great days Mary, then you have like 577 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 3: so many great days. 578 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 2: I call it double soup Tuesday at the Orphanarium. If 579 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 2: you watch Fu Drama, you get it. You make you 580 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,720 Speaker 2: make me feel like double soup Tuesday at the Orphanarium. 581 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 2: That would double every day is double soup Tuesday. I 582 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 2: have Actually, when I play Mary, every day is double 583 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 2: soup Tuesday. 584 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 1: I love that you're the first person in lost culture 585 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: since history that we have asked this question twice of 586 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: drinks one soon. What was the culture that made you 587 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: say culture was for you? 588 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 2: The film Death? Because did I say this the last time? 589 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: No, I don't think you. 590 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 2: Think gods because that's the drama turkey I did. Okay, 591 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 2: I can literally been thinking about why it made me what. 592 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: A striking right now. 593 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 2: Well, one huge factor is that, because I'm realizing this 594 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: was a very cool rule of my mother's I was 595 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 2: allowed to watch basically anything without gratuitous sex or like 596 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 2: raunchy nudity as long as I watched it with her, 597 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 2: so I could ask questions and she could put it 598 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 2: into context. Very smart, very smart and cool because her 599 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 2: and I our thing together was to watch horror movies 600 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 2: together because we love horror movies anyway. But so Death 601 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 2: Becomes Her was called like a horror comedy, right, a 602 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 2: dark comedy. You watch it now and it's like, that's 603 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 2: not that dark. I saw Dix the musical You Sick, 604 00:36:50,400 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 2: and that's darker. So dark sick mother. So anyway, my 605 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 2: mom rented Death Becomes Her, and I realized a huge 606 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 2: factor was because of where my birthday lies instead of 607 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 2: starting at age four in kindergarten and turning five two 608 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 2: weeks later. They decided to keep me home another year 609 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 2: because my mom had just been in this horrible car accident. 610 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 2: The car exploded on us while we were in the car, 611 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 2: and all the steam burnt up my mom's legs, so 612 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 2: she decided for us to stay home together for a year. 613 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 2: We were living with my grandmother, and that meant we 614 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 2: spent a lot of time watching movies together, and she'd 615 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 2: make semi regular trips to the movie store. The movie 616 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 2: rental plays with a VHS, and I'd request Death Becomes 617 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 2: Her every time, and then I'd just watch it on 618 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 2: a loop. So when I tell you and I watched 619 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 2: it again last night in preparation for today, I have 620 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 2: never tested it, So I don't want to make this 621 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 2: hyperbolic statement that I can't back up. But I'm fairly 622 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 2: certain I could say every line. Well, I believe I 623 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 2: could do it with the movie definitely, But I'm fairly 624 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 2: certain I could just do it from memory? Would you do? 625 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,720 Speaker 2: But I don't want to be certain about that because 626 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 2: there's all those interstitial scenes that don't include Merrill or 627 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 2: Goldie or Isabella. You know what I mean what. 628 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 3: I'm saying, even though you should while the musical is 629 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 3: concurrently on Broadway, you should stage a one person Jinx 630 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 3: monsoon does the movie word for word of death becomes her. 631 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 2: Listen if I had capacity for anything to this point, 632 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 2: I mean that sounds like a great plan for next year. 633 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 2: And next year is this Christmas way? 634 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 3: This Christmas we want to see it, we want to 635 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 3: see it, but that's the Jinks and Dayla Holidays. 636 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: This year is just open up your for yourselves. 637 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:59,320 Speaker 2: Well, I say every line Dayla lip sinks it. Yeah, 638 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 2: every character, It's simple. I say, every line live from memory, 639 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,439 Speaker 2: and she lip syncs live to me speaking live. 640 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 3: To a line simultaneous about not not tracks from the movie, 641 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 3: not any audio. 642 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 2: Underscoring which is available on Spotify because it's on many 643 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 2: of my playlists. Oh, I do love that. It's funny. 644 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: You think you're going to the Jins and de La 645 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: death becomes her to see one of you play Goldie 646 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: and one of you play Maryland. The gag is that 647 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: it's just you speaking and her lip syncing, so. 648 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 2: We both are the entire movie exactly. 649 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: In this way, you both get to live out both perfect. 650 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 2: And speaking of the musical, I can't stop listening to 651 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 2: me I gotta say I I told this directly to Megan. 652 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 2: Sorry Megan, Yeah, of course you know Jen and Megan 653 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 2: and Michelle they were also girls. Are the girls Destiny's Child. 654 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 1: Kids from Jennifer imagine with them popping out. 655 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 2: I saw the show. I was thoroughly entertained from we saw. 656 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 2: I'm so glad, I'm in good company. Nine drops so 657 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 2: fur you to see the show, I said to Megan. 658 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 2: Didn't get a chance to say it to Jen, but 659 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,919 Speaker 2: Jen and I have a special relationship. I'll talk about 660 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 2: that next. But I said to Megan, you and Jen 661 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:50,879 Speaker 2: and really Michelle, all three of them like delivering incredible 662 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 2: drag performances, you know, like and it's just really inspiring 663 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 2: to see the doors I have opened, honestly for them 664 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 2: to be to drag. They were able to do drag 665 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 2: on Broadway. They were because. 666 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: Because mos up I. 667 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 2: Told you about the time you were with us. But 668 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 2: I thought of that joke while I was brushing my teeth, 669 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 2: so I you and if I didn't do it, I 670 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 2: would have been so pissed and I would have been 671 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 2: anxiety texting you. Afterwards, Jen SamArt and I presented together 672 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 2: at the Drama Desk Awards, different from the Drama League Awards. 673 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 2: I got them in the right. Yeah, I was Drama 674 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 2: League Nick Barrish with Drama Deaths. So anyway, I uh, 675 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 2: I'm presenting with Jen. We're both very feminine redheads. I 676 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,959 Speaker 2: made the joke while we're presenting because she was wearing 677 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 2: a low cut dress amazing boobs. Yeah, sorry, I mean yeah, 678 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 2: I mean, like, just the thing is like, if you're 679 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 2: going to wear a dress like that, it's probably because 680 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 2: you know, you have incredible as if you've got to 681 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 2: flaun it. Right. So you're we're standing next to each 682 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 2: other kind of looking a little like each other except 683 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 2: some key differences, right, And so I said, I feel 684 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 2: like we're standing at opposite ends of a feminine spectrumy 685 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 2: and she said, but both redheads, and I said yeah yeah. 686 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 2: And then so now every time I see her, she 687 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 2: does this thing that I absolutely adore, and I hope 688 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 2: saying it publicly doesn't mean she stops doing it, because 689 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 2: I hate when that happens. Would I tell someone I 690 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 2: like something they do, and then the next day they 691 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 2: stop doing it because they feel insecure at this thing 692 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 2: I was. I was actually giving them their flowers. On anyway, 693 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 2: she just goes, that's my friend, that's my friend. That's 694 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 2: my friend, my friend, and she comes over to me 695 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 2: and we take a picture and she goes, it's my friend. 696 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,879 Speaker 2: I think it's very cute. I just fucking love it. 697 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 2: That's so incredible. I've been singing along to the soundtrack 698 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 2: and Chris Sieber, Oh, he's so incredible. So we're Italian 699 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 2: amazing direction. The character of Stefan and the actors name 700 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 2: is escaping me right now because I haven't been on 701 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,800 Speaker 2: Instagram in weeks, so I haven't seen his name recently. 702 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:47,800 Speaker 2: But so good, Like what a great way to flesh 703 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 2: out a throwaway character from the movie. You know what 704 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 2: I mean. 705 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 3: I mean, you love Death Becomes Her so much that 706 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 3: because and I know this ties back to what you 707 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 3: were saying the beginning, like you know, you were making 708 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,839 Speaker 3: things when they were upper tunity is given. I mean, 709 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 3: like fresh off the Drag Racemn in season five, you 710 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 3: you do this documentary called Drag Becomes Her, and like 711 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 3: I think that I think there there is this like 712 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,239 Speaker 3: spiritual like importance to this film that you have in 713 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 3: you well, yeah, and beyond like the performances and the 714 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:17,759 Speaker 3: looks and the I. 715 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 2: Feel like I've learned every Okay, so part of my 716 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 2: dramaturgy of this, I'm like trying to make it all, 717 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 2: make sense of why it made me so. One big 718 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 2: thing I do with my characters these days is a 719 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 2: you know, I start with finding their voice, but I 720 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 2: also start with finding their relationship to power, because I 721 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 2: see how people with immense power behave. And it was 722 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,839 Speaker 2: something thing we talked about in acting school and the 723 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,720 Speaker 2: best advice about playing drunk. I got an acting school. 724 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 2: I went to Cornish College of the Arts since Seattle, Washington. 725 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 2: How writers said to me, the mistake young actors make 726 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:11,840 Speaker 2: about playing drunk is going like, ooh, I'm drunk, blah blah. 727 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 2: A drunk person tries to hide the franchise drunk. You 728 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:23,720 Speaker 2: know you know what I mean. Anyway, Oh, godship power, 729 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,080 Speaker 2: relationship to power. People who have a lot of power 730 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 2: can either be benevolent or malevolent. You know, they can 731 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 2: either abuse it or they can be generous with it. 732 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 2: And that's a spectrum, right. And then I've spent a 733 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 2: lot of time doing uh pieces set in specific time 734 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 2: periods where women had limited agency, and I've been thinking 735 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 2: about that a lot as a trans woman in this 736 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,399 Speaker 2: time period, and how there is something spiritual right now 737 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,840 Speaker 2: for me. I feel it very deeply as a witch 738 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 2: that helping tells the disenfranchisement story, helping talk about these 739 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 2: women who probably have bad reputations, yes, or I don't 740 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 2: know that the real marytime she has a freckled reputation. 741 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,759 Speaker 2: But you know, I'm like some of these women that 742 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 2: seem so extreme. I'm thinking Judy Garland right, like, you know, 743 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 2: we know how and why she passed away at a 744 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,359 Speaker 2: very early age. And then I try to since I've 745 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 2: spent so much time with her, I try to think of, like, 746 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 2: you know, what she was dealing with the context of 747 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,440 Speaker 2: her life, being completely disenfranchised and having almost no agency 748 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 2: in your life, and then you are a household name 749 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 2: that has to like convince people to hire you because 750 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 2: you promise you'll be on your best behavior, you know, 751 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,360 Speaker 2: like that duality in a person to know you have 752 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 2: that inside but you also have this inside. 753 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and for everyone to know you have it too, 754 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 1: and that gives them even more power because. 755 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 2: Exactly and so I was thinking today about Madeline Ashton 756 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:24,399 Speaker 2: and Helen Sharp and their relationship to power, and they 757 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 2: both believe that their power is derived from their sex 758 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 2: appeal because there's a man in the mix, because there's 759 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:36,200 Speaker 2: a man in the mix, right, Like Helen has found 760 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 2: her dream man, and she believes, you know, she says, 761 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,240 Speaker 2: I need to see you could pass the Madeline Ashton test, 762 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 2: Like that's the final test before we get married, because 763 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 2: if you meet her after we get married and you 764 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 2: can't pass the test, it will break me. I just 765 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 2: know it will, because it almost has every other time 766 00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,760 Speaker 2: it's happened. Right, So when Madeline is able to steal 767 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,759 Speaker 2: him away, she's like, of course, because she's sexier than 768 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 2: I am. And then she gives up on her life 769 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,880 Speaker 2: and then she finds, uh, she finds a way to 770 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 2: sex appeal, which is going to give her the power 771 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,959 Speaker 2: to get back at someone like Madeline Ashton, who even 772 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 2: though was a personal friend, has a lot of protection 773 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 2: around her. Right, she calculates this whole freaking plan. Madeline 774 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,200 Speaker 2: Ashton is dealing with the fact that as a woman 775 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,720 Speaker 2: in Hollywood, her youth and her beauty are her power. 776 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,360 Speaker 2: That's her power. So you know, it's also sex appeal, 777 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 2: but It's like Helen's need for the potion is completely 778 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 2: different from Madeleine's, but they are both because of their 779 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:53,520 Speaker 2: extreme circumstances. And those extreme circumstances, like you've already mentioned, 780 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,399 Speaker 2: were because a man was in the mix and because 781 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 2: they're women at that time. So I just lined it 782 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 2: up with my own life and that's what gives it 783 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,200 Speaker 2: the spiritual meaning. I'm like, yeah, that's as long as 784 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:11,440 Speaker 2: I'm helping, you know, tell those stories authentically and helping 785 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,880 Speaker 2: you care for the character that at first glance seems 786 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,440 Speaker 2: that that's a crazy person, right, But then when you 787 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:25,120 Speaker 2: really listen to her and really empathize with her, and 788 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,759 Speaker 2: if you can get your audience to do that, then 789 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 2: they realize this is just a woman under extreme circumstances. 790 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:38,359 Speaker 2: And then hopefully, hopefully that sinks in whoever they are, 791 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 2: whether they needed to hear it or whether they already 792 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:46,480 Speaker 2: knew it. It's either a beautiful affirmation or it's a 793 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,879 Speaker 2: lesson that I swear to God, I hope they got. 794 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 3: You know, well, it's all about like, and this is 795 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,840 Speaker 3: something you probably experienced in your own life where it's like, 796 00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,799 Speaker 3: what is my locus of control? Like do I make 797 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 3: things happen or do things happen to me? And death 798 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,239 Speaker 3: becomes hers? About two women who like make things happen 799 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,440 Speaker 3: because things have happened to that. 800 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 2: Does that make sense? I don't, But it's no. I'm 801 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,440 Speaker 2: in I have never been more lucid. No, it's like 802 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:20,160 Speaker 2: what death becomes her. I thought about this today. Uh, 803 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,719 Speaker 2: when I'm telling you I prepared, this is what I mean, 804 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:30,160 Speaker 2: death becomes her. It's like drag queens keep things alive 805 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,279 Speaker 2: that are important to us, and queer people do too, 806 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 2: you know. But like drag queens are the ones that 807 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 2: like keep it present in the queer culture, we are 808 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,640 Speaker 2: the ones who every year deliver those costumes that make 809 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 2: you remember those characters, or we do the drag parody 810 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,160 Speaker 2: version of it, or we do drag numbers inspired by 811 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,160 Speaker 2: When Madeline Ashton Falls down the Stairs, which I saw 812 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,319 Speaker 2: at a nightclub. The ad along you could either wait, 813 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,279 Speaker 2: they could either hit the music when you made your 814 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,160 Speaker 2: way to the stage, like you could quietly, discreetly make 815 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 2: your way to the stage and then hop up and 816 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,960 Speaker 2: they hit the music, or because they had a follow spot, 817 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 2: you could start at the top of the staircase. 818 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,400 Speaker 3: It's like if you actually you didn't fill down the stairs. 819 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 2: Luckily I never did, because I always started at the 820 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,440 Speaker 2: top of the staircase. I'd be like the dressation now 821 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,400 Speaker 2: like walking down the stairs. It was like, I see me. 822 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,919 Speaker 2: You know. It was a chance to do that, right, 823 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,840 Speaker 2: And so I think it was there. I think I 824 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,359 Speaker 2: saw I hope it was there. And I didn't tell 825 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,800 Speaker 2: that whole thing for no reason, but I hope the 826 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,440 Speaker 2: drag Queen hears the story. Whoever or wherever she was, 827 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:52,520 Speaker 2: she did a number where it was like started with 828 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,600 Speaker 2: her at the top of the stairs doing like I 829 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,680 Speaker 2: see me, or maybe she didn't do that number. Whatever, 830 00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,760 Speaker 2: she's doing a number at the top of the stairs 831 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:04,080 Speaker 2: and the blue costume and then fakes falling down the stairs. 832 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,600 Speaker 2: There's like sound covering it and stuff. The follow spot 833 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,800 Speaker 2: is like looking for her at the bottom of the stairs. 834 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,040 Speaker 2: She rips off the blue costume, and now she's got 835 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,960 Speaker 2: the tits on back. You see that the tits are 836 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,440 Speaker 2: on her back, and she's got the costume on backward, 837 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,800 Speaker 2: and that the next all twisted and then I don't 838 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,040 Speaker 2: remember what the number was, but she performed a number. 839 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,480 Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter what the number was, because as 840 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,799 Speaker 2: long as it was the perfect number. It's like, how 841 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,840 Speaker 2: fucking brilliant is that? So we keep these things alive 842 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,839 Speaker 2: for each other and down that we are having this 843 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:49,480 Speaker 2: moment where we are culture makers, you know, we are 844 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:56,000 Speaker 2: culture aficionados. I mean East, I mean you're award show. 845 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:03,120 Speaker 2: I was seeing the pictures from it, and I always 846 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:08,840 Speaker 2: had the pictures. I was having probably the worst FOMO 847 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 2: of my life, you know, not because I wanted to 848 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,920 Speaker 2: be nominated, but because I was like, look, first of all, 849 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,359 Speaker 2: look at all my friends, and then second I'll look 850 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,680 Speaker 2: at all those like fucking muckety MUCKs. It's just like 851 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,320 Speaker 2: the Drama League Award luncheon. It's like can you believe? 852 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:31,480 Speaker 2: Can you believe that you are again that you get 853 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,640 Speaker 2: to be in a room where you look at someone 854 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,600 Speaker 2: whomever and then you look over and you see, well 855 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:38,720 Speaker 2: that was one of your friends. 856 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 1: Parts of watching it, I think because for the custos 857 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,640 Speaker 1: of the audience, the customer of the audience were the 858 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,000 Speaker 1: best because it was like, oh my god, there's our 859 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 1: friend Bianca and then there's you know, Sarah Michelle Gellar, 860 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,080 Speaker 1: and it was it was just it was a real 861 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,640 Speaker 1: treat for just us and also our friends, like as 862 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,040 Speaker 1: the does those circles get bigger? You know, It's so 863 00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,680 Speaker 1: many people were involved in it, and I was like, wow, 864 00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,600 Speaker 1: this is like a very personal experience that we're having 865 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,799 Speaker 1: watching this because it's people that we love intimately, and 866 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,279 Speaker 1: there's people that we love like externally all experience. 867 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,279 Speaker 2: Like I said, life is surreal. But I don't want 868 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,680 Speaker 2: to waste too much time commenting on it. I want 869 00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,520 Speaker 2: to just enjoy fucking enjoy it. It's like you know 870 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,440 Speaker 2: when you take a party drug. You know you have 871 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,440 Speaker 2: so many hours on that drug. If you spend the 872 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,400 Speaker 2: whole time going am I acting weird? Am I acting weird? 873 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 2: Am I acting weird? That's what I'm trying to say. 874 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,319 Speaker 2: The whole surreal thing, Like if every time you saw me, 875 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,719 Speaker 2: you were like, hey, Jinks, how how are you? And 876 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,840 Speaker 2: I was like, life is oh, oh my gosh, I 877 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 2: can't believe how many famous people I meet every day. 878 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,200 Speaker 2: If that's not that's not what I want to be. 879 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,879 Speaker 2: I want to be plugged into it, and then if 880 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,399 Speaker 2: it comes up naturally in a story, I'll fucking drop 881 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,160 Speaker 2: the name, of course. But I don't want to start 882 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,799 Speaker 2: the conversation and there I want a conversation that happen 883 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 2: naturally because I'm looking the person in the eyes and 884 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,719 Speaker 2: actually having the conversation. 885 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,680 Speaker 3: You don't want to be perpetually reflective, because then you're 886 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,399 Speaker 3: not actually experiencing anything new. 887 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:12,839 Speaker 2: And that's it. 888 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes I just look down in my glass and I say, 889 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,160 Speaker 1: I love this. I'm in the present. 890 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:28,320 Speaker 2: I love the shape. Is that is that technically you 891 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,239 Speaker 2: have a I have a cup, and it's this is 892 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:32,479 Speaker 2: so much. 893 00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,439 Speaker 1: I sometimes want to go back. Not back, I never went, 894 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,319 Speaker 1: but I think it would be interesting to go for 895 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,080 Speaker 1: like two or three weeks to like an acting school 896 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,320 Speaker 1: and like get on the ground and eat lemon. 897 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:45,759 Speaker 2: I think they have that. 898 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,280 Speaker 1: I probably could do it, huh. 899 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,200 Speaker 2: I think we both should use the glasses. 900 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,560 Speaker 1: Well, it would it would just be because there were 901 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,319 Speaker 1: all those tales they would tell back and then while 902 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,440 Speaker 1: you have like like people that were in like theater 903 00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,200 Speaker 1: theater school, and like they'd be rolling on the ground. 904 00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:03,919 Speaker 2: I saw that care you did the uc B. What 905 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:11,239 Speaker 2: was your worst villain villain? Could have just been that 906 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,759 Speaker 2: was the worst actors actor? You know, it was amazing. 907 00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,880 Speaker 2: What does no one ever bring up your Batman villain character? 908 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,120 Speaker 2: From the UCB archive on YouTube. 909 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:30,080 Speaker 1: Well, you know what, It's just it was fresh when 910 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,840 Speaker 1: it was going on. That was such a part of 911 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,200 Speaker 1: like we had a different iteration of our lives, and 912 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,000 Speaker 1: that was what I was doing. I was doing character 913 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,000 Speaker 1: work all the time. It's just from a phase of 914 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,839 Speaker 1: my life that was never this. So no one ever 915 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,719 Speaker 1: really knows our engagement that it's funny, it's relevant. I 916 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,360 Speaker 1: think to like the conversation is it's like when someone 917 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,879 Speaker 1: knows us something a lot or doesn't know you as 918 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,560 Speaker 1: one thing, that's like a that's something you have to 919 00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:57,120 Speaker 1: break through. 920 00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:02,120 Speaker 2: And then also like you know you you you two 921 00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:06,239 Speaker 2: and I think of Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson. I 922 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,160 Speaker 2: mentioned I love that movie. Did I mention it was dark? 923 00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:10,759 Speaker 1: You said it was? 924 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:15,279 Speaker 2: Oh, I was. I was being snipy for comedy. But 925 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,000 Speaker 2: it's actually I'll tell you the same thing I told 926 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:26,960 Speaker 2: the boys, I love it. No, I you know, I'll 927 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,640 Speaker 2: tell you the same thing. We went to dinner sometime 928 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,840 Speaker 2: after I had watched the movie a couple times, and 929 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:38,000 Speaker 2: I said, I need to tell you I love the film. However, 930 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:43,600 Speaker 2: I had to come to that decision only because my 931 00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:48,840 Speaker 2: anxiety around the idea of the whole slippery slope argument. 932 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,560 Speaker 2: And then I really thought about it, and I really 933 00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,080 Speaker 2: thought about it, and I was like, that's their fear, 934 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,120 Speaker 2: not mine. I know that that's not real. How come 935 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:05,200 Speaker 2: straight men can make the most disgusting, vile, horrible jokes, 936 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:12,320 Speaker 2: but if it's you know, normalized, then we just go, oh, boys, boys, 937 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,920 Speaker 2: And I thought they weren't making movies like that anymore, 938 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,160 Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh no, I just stopped seeing them. 939 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,400 Speaker 2: The beautiful thing I love is the movie is satirical, 940 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:26,160 Speaker 2: and it's like showing you, do you see how ridiculous 941 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:30,640 Speaker 2: you're being. That's like to me, it's like, this is 942 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,720 Speaker 2: the most ridiculous thing you can imagine. Let's show them, 943 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,360 Speaker 2: show them what that actually looked like. Or off the mountain, 944 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,280 Speaker 2: it's like we're calling, we're saying God is a faggot. 945 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,480 Speaker 2: It's like it's exactly we're saying the. 946 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,440 Speaker 1: Most wonderful and you want to sing it. 947 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:51,440 Speaker 2: Afterwards, I started saying to myself, it's like, why do 948 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:56,160 Speaker 2: Trey Parker and Matt Stone get to make their shitty 949 00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,000 Speaker 2: commentary and no matter what they say, it's like it's 950 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,480 Speaker 2: it's sad, tired, sat tired, and so they can be 951 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,360 Speaker 2: as transphobic because they want you set tired, sat tired, 952 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,400 Speaker 2: don't get offended. It's s tire. I was like, well, 953 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,960 Speaker 2: thank the gods that we are at this point now 954 00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,120 Speaker 2: that queer people are one, there's not the scarcity. Two, 955 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,560 Speaker 2: we don't have to be a singular archetype of character. 956 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,560 Speaker 2: We can. I described it as like when I played 957 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,280 Speaker 2: a Doctor Who villain. It's like, I'm so glad I'm 958 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,200 Speaker 2: here in this era when queer people are back to 959 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:34,760 Speaker 2: being villains, because it was when we realized that queer 960 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:39,920 Speaker 2: people being villains was a mockery, you know, of our characteristics, 961 00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,919 Speaker 2: and that stopped being a thing. Well, now we're back 962 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:47,360 Speaker 2: to queer people being actors and mainstream things. That's not 963 00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,160 Speaker 2: so crazy, So we can be villains again anyway. And 964 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:56,400 Speaker 2: then you and the boys have mutual connection in UCP. 965 00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:01,320 Speaker 2: And it reminds me that like drag races this sisterhood 966 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,920 Speaker 2: where we don't even have to be on the same season, 967 01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:09,120 Speaker 2: but those of us, like I said, the familiar faces, 968 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,240 Speaker 2: like I mean think I could list them, but like 969 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,600 Speaker 2: there's so many Drag queens doing things that I think 970 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,920 Speaker 2: twenty years ago when I started Drag, I thought that's 971 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,000 Speaker 2: surely not possible. When I started in college and gave 972 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:32,360 Speaker 2: up drag briefly seasonally and told myself I had to 973 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,440 Speaker 2: give up drag to be a serious actor, that was 974 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:39,640 Speaker 2: a lie I told myself, By the way, Uh yeah, yeah, 975 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,480 Speaker 2: I was just scared that if I got labeled as 976 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,400 Speaker 2: a drag queen, that was an end of the versatility 977 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:51,160 Speaker 2: of my acting. Then I eventually made the decision, you know, like, yeah, 978 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,920 Speaker 2: they warn you about being pigeonholed, and they warned you like, 979 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,800 Speaker 2: do you just want to be a character actor? Do 980 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,000 Speaker 2: you want to have the ability to do everything? And 981 01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,440 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I know how I have the ability 982 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,240 Speaker 2: to do everything. But I also know I'm one hell 983 01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,840 Speaker 2: of a character actor. So if I put that foot forward, 984 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,600 Speaker 2: at least I'm guaranteeing work. And I worked a lot 985 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,240 Speaker 2: straight out of college, and I did a lot of 986 01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,600 Speaker 2: classical work that was stuff that like, that's a drag 987 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,520 Speaker 2: queen playing mistress quickly and Henry the Fifth and half 988 01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,920 Speaker 2: the people to know it was a drag queen, you know. 989 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:29,320 Speaker 2: So I've always been doing what I do. It's just 990 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:36,040 Speaker 2: like I found my way in and drag and drag 991 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,800 Speaker 2: race has allotted so many of us away into doing 992 01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,280 Speaker 2: something we were damn sure we could do. Like Bob 993 01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,040 Speaker 2: the Drag Queen says it like why she auditions. She 994 01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,800 Speaker 2: said she was. She's a stand up comedian and a 995 01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:56,200 Speaker 2: brilliant actor and lots of things. Right, Bob is an 996 01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:01,000 Speaker 2: incredible human whom I love and lots of things. It 997 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:07,440 Speaker 2: has lots of partners for all the things I'm using you, 998 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:13,280 Speaker 2: But the many shades about the dragon, No, it's just 999 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:20,120 Speaker 2: like again with the tangent. Yeah, yeah, I saw drag 1000 01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,000 Speaker 2: race and I said I could do that, But she 1001 01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:24,800 Speaker 2: also knew she could do a lot of other y 1002 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,160 Speaker 2: And Drew says it all the time, like if God, 1003 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,280 Speaker 2: and I'd say, if you know the goddesses, or if 1004 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:38,520 Speaker 2: the universe or if whatever opens a fucking pathway, you like, 1005 01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:42,200 Speaker 2: take it. And if you know you have other things 1006 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,520 Speaker 2: in you, you'll find a way to redirect yourself back there, 1007 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,360 Speaker 2: even if it's just a hobby. You know, there's some 1008 01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,040 Speaker 2: people who have hobbies that have nothing to do with 1009 01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,160 Speaker 2: their work, and they love that. My work is my lifestyle, 1010 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,280 Speaker 2: so it's hard to I mean, video games are my 1011 01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,840 Speaker 2: that I guess video games and you know what and 1012 01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,880 Speaker 2: that's why I won't do like I did like I'll 1013 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,120 Speaker 2: do like a limited like I'm going to stream a 1014 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,840 Speaker 2: video game for a charity or for whatever, you know, like, 1015 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,280 Speaker 2: but you're not going to commodify it otherwise because exactly 1016 01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,200 Speaker 2: because that's mine and it has nothing to do with 1017 01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,840 Speaker 2: drag other than the fact that it inspires some of 1018 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,960 Speaker 2: my own looks. 1019 01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:29,400 Speaker 1: Well, I hope you've taken notes at home. We will 1020 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,360 Speaker 1: move into I don't think so honey here now? 1021 01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,480 Speaker 2: Is this how long the episode was supposed to be? 1022 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:38,400 Speaker 2: Or did I go over you because I'm sober boast 1023 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:43,000 Speaker 2: and I always overtime, But actually I kept identifying when 1024 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,960 Speaker 2: it was a tangent because we started use of the meds. 1025 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,560 Speaker 2: I don't need to rehab. You can scroll back in 1026 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:55,760 Speaker 2: the video because this is a TV show, and you 1027 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,439 Speaker 2: could just you know, listen to the episode once more, 1028 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,960 Speaker 2: as I'm sure lots of you people do listen list. 1029 01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,919 Speaker 2: I do the same things over and over and over, 1030 01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,680 Speaker 2: identify new and new things to it every time. 1031 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:14,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to do my I don't think sony about 1032 01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,200 Speaker 1: something new in my life, which is frustrating. This is 1033 01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,600 Speaker 1: our sixty second segment. We take to rant and rave, 1034 01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:24,600 Speaker 1: rail wreck, things in culture that need be all those things. 1035 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:25,360 Speaker 1: So here we go. 1036 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,400 Speaker 3: I you have something, I have something. This is Matt Rogers. 1037 01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,160 Speaker 3: I don't think so many as times starts now. 1038 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,200 Speaker 1: I don't think so mony that you can develop new allergies. 1039 01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:37,560 Speaker 1: If I my entire life haven't had a thing, I 1040 01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,160 Speaker 1: don't want the thing at thirty five suddenly, What a 1041 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:41,760 Speaker 1: random age for you to attack me. 1042 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,200 Speaker 2: Goddess or Mother Nature, whoever. 1043 01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,600 Speaker 1: What I'm talking about is the fact that I sometimes 1044 01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,440 Speaker 1: have to put a little makeup on for our jobs, 1045 01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,280 Speaker 1: and I think that I around my eyes you can 1046 01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:56,280 Speaker 1: see I've developed some sort of contact dermatitis, roisation and 1047 01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,840 Speaker 1: more around my eyes. Suddenly I have a skin allergy. 1048 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,600 Speaker 1: I gotta go hypo. I guess they're saying words to 1049 01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:07,120 Speaker 1: me like hypoallergenic. And I have always loved going places 1050 01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,240 Speaker 1: and them saying do you have any allergies and saying no. 1051 01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,360 Speaker 1: Suddenly You're gonna throw this barricade in front of me, 1052 01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,600 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have to leap over it like the 1053 01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,680 Speaker 1: hand settler would. And I don't want to hurdle. I 1054 01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,480 Speaker 1: want to sit on the side and enjoy my life 1055 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,640 Speaker 1: of not this rash. I don't think so, honey, and 1056 01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:27,280 Speaker 1: I have more time, huh. 1057 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:30,560 Speaker 2: ITCHI itchy boo boo, honey, itchy itchy boo boo. That's 1058 01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,120 Speaker 2: one minute, all. 1059 01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,600 Speaker 1: Of a sudden, like it'll be this day after two 1060 01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,320 Speaker 1: days after my face will breakout suddenly, I have like 1061 01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:38,360 Speaker 1: sensitive skin. 1062 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:44,200 Speaker 3: Why no, because our immune systems are Oh hate that transition. 1063 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,160 Speaker 1: I what what do you mean immune systems? They do 1064 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:48,200 Speaker 1: get worse, don't they. 1065 01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,240 Speaker 2: It's it's it's out of our hands. 1066 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:54,280 Speaker 3: I don't know why we haven't evolved out of you know, makeup. Oh, 1067 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,160 Speaker 3: you're probably right, I'm saying, I don't know. 1068 01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,280 Speaker 1: We need a psychologically and like emotionally and spiritually of 1069 01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:00,280 Speaker 1: all out of make up. 1070 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean mostly physiologically, like if all out to 1071 01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:05,920 Speaker 3: make it because otherwise, because it's just the allergy. 1072 01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,880 Speaker 1: That's you're right, you're right, exactly, okay, and either would work. 1073 01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,880 Speaker 1: We could physical physiologically age out, but we need we 1074 01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,840 Speaker 1: do like to have it for play. But yeah, no, 1075 01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,240 Speaker 1: for some reason, like it's just it's been happening, and 1076 01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:19,479 Speaker 1: I guess I got to see my DRM. 1077 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:25,920 Speaker 2: I think the answer to why late in life. At 1078 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,640 Speaker 2: first I was had to respect that it was your time, 1079 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,880 Speaker 2: because I wanted to be like, tell me all now. 1080 01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:32,120 Speaker 1: Like. 1081 01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,360 Speaker 2: No, I just my own thoughts, not like I have 1082 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,200 Speaker 2: any real information. Just I think about this and why 1083 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:44,800 Speaker 2: do you think they happen? Well, because there's so many things, yeah, 1084 01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:49,040 Speaker 2: being put in our stuff. We have no fucking idea. 1085 01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:53,080 Speaker 2: I mean, you know we're having the microplastics conversation we are. 1086 01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,080 Speaker 2: I don't even want to pull up this thread because 1087 01:06:56,120 --> 01:07:01,600 Speaker 2: then people weaponize that idea, which is true, but then 1088 01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,800 Speaker 2: skew it to be something else. I don't even need 1089 01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,840 Speaker 2: the list. No, we all know examples. 1090 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,760 Speaker 3: I know that I have a PS five controller in 1091 01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,520 Speaker 3: my brain. That's the amount of microplastics. 1092 01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,600 Speaker 1: That you think that it's Yeah, they they say that 1093 01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,919 Speaker 1: the amount of microplastics and oliver brains is like yeah, 1094 01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,240 Speaker 1: it's like it's solid matter. If they really would to 1095 01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:24,720 Speaker 1: put it together, it's Google crazy. 1096 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,000 Speaker 3: I have at least quadrupled that based on the microwave 1097 01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:34,800 Speaker 3: meals that I eat for pleasure when I am stoned 1098 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,560 Speaker 3: and I'm going to go home and eat likes. 1099 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you ever have a microwave asnia all. 1100 01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,320 Speaker 3: The time, my stofers and I've been coming back ever 1101 01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,640 Speaker 3: since the microplastics conversation is in this. No, I'm glad 1102 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:48,480 Speaker 3: we're talking about this. 1103 01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,240 Speaker 1: I have an I come out of the class. I 1104 01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:52,760 Speaker 1: have another food thing, and that's my I don't think 1105 01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,360 Speaker 1: so okay, this is Bowen Yang's I don't think Sony 1106 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:56,440 Speaker 1: his time starts now. 1107 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,000 Speaker 2: I don't think so many eggs? What the fuck? What 1108 01:07:59,240 --> 01:07:59,520 Speaker 2: are you? 1109 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,200 Speaker 3: If someone explained to me the egg of it all, 1110 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,560 Speaker 3: it's a bunch of plasma and a yolk, and there's 1111 01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,480 Speaker 3: a film around that where you if you crack the egg, 1112 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,560 Speaker 3: the membrane of the egg is the thing that makes 1113 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,200 Speaker 3: it hard, so that if you have shards of egg 1114 01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:14,040 Speaker 3: in your. 1115 01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,439 Speaker 2: Container in which you are trying to whisk the egg, it. 1116 01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:22,080 Speaker 4: Is virtually impossible to take out. To extract a shard 1117 01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:26,080 Speaker 4: of eggshell, you need guess what, another piece of eggshell 1118 01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:27,720 Speaker 4: to scoop it out, But. 1119 01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,599 Speaker 2: Then that runs the risk of more eggshell going into 1120 01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,160 Speaker 2: the fucking thing that you go. 1121 01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,479 Speaker 3: No, I guess I'll try my leg with a spoon 1122 01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,680 Speaker 3: a chopstick, But then no, it is always it was 1123 01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:42,640 Speaker 3: never worth it. And this morning I've been practicing my 1124 01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,000 Speaker 3: one hand egg cracked because guess what, I turn myself 1125 01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,559 Speaker 3: on that's right, I get off to myself when I 1126 01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,160 Speaker 3: crack an egg with one hand, and then I looked 1127 01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,000 Speaker 3: like a damn fool eating a shard filled omelet while 1128 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,720 Speaker 3: I could have been having something actually normal. Don't eat 1129 01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:03,080 Speaker 3: meat only eats, don't go anile based, only plant based. 1130 01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:08,640 Speaker 2: That's what it is. I didn't know you. Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, no, no, 1131 01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,280 Speaker 2: don't No, I could not agree with sit down. No, 1132 01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,320 Speaker 2: but that doesn't deserve a standing. Yes it does, because 1133 01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:20,720 Speaker 2: I have spent my whole life having to explain to 1134 01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:25,880 Speaker 2: people the shell. No, it's just like, first of all, yes, 1135 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,639 Speaker 2: you are correct on all of that, but the standing 1136 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,840 Speaker 2: ovation was just to find another person who had that. 1137 01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:34,600 Speaker 1: With you. 1138 01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,519 Speaker 2: Eggs because they are such a popular food the way 1139 01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,200 Speaker 2: you scoff, well, because I had them today, right, Okay, 1140 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:45,320 Speaker 2: That's what I've dealt with my whole life. Is everyone 1141 01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:49,519 Speaker 2: likes that, and do I like things where eggs are 1142 01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:55,200 Speaker 2: an ingredient of sur but eggs, dealing with them, eating 1143 01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:59,400 Speaker 2: them as the thing I don't like. It is horrible 1144 01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,479 Speaker 2: what they I also dealing with them, but I just don't. 1145 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,879 Speaker 2: I don't like the flavor, I don't like the texture, 1146 01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,639 Speaker 2: there's so many ways to prepare them. I've tried them all, 1147 01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:12,240 Speaker 2: don't like them. Don't write I don't like eggs. But 1148 01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,839 Speaker 2: then I say that and then people think I'm vegan, 1149 01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,320 Speaker 2: so then I have to go on this whole fucking thing. 1150 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:19,840 Speaker 2: And if they don't do that, then I go, I 1151 01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,200 Speaker 2: don't like eggs, and they go, you don't like eggs? 1152 01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,800 Speaker 2: Have you tried them scrambled? Have you tried them fried? 1153 01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,559 Speaker 2: And then I'm like, my god, please not again with 1154 01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:32,479 Speaker 2: the eggs. So most of the time when people and 1155 01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,479 Speaker 2: then it's like, you don't like eggs, are you vegan? 1156 01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,559 Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, I'm vegan because I'm like, this 1157 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,600 Speaker 2: will save time. And then the breakfast I am delivered 1158 01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,840 Speaker 2: is nothing because they didn't have any It's a piece 1159 01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:46,320 Speaker 2: of bread. 1160 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:50,760 Speaker 1: It's so shocking when when whenever anyone thinks that just 1161 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,839 Speaker 1: like a piece of bread is toast, Yeah, it's sliced 1162 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,200 Speaker 1: piece of bread, is some toast culture numbers a. 1163 01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:58,799 Speaker 2: Piece of bread is not toast. 1164 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,639 Speaker 3: Activity that disappears when you say I don't want an 1165 01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,360 Speaker 3: egg in my thing, well, they. 1166 01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,439 Speaker 2: Go, oh, well, I guess we could do. We don't 1167 01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,400 Speaker 2: have any tofu It's like why. Well, I think it's 1168 01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:16,280 Speaker 2: because of the consistency. I don't think like the egg itself. 1169 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:21,960 Speaker 2: So anyway, I feel like you couldn't like eggs themselves, 1170 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,840 Speaker 2: but your humility to hate them oh that much at 1171 01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:30,360 Speaker 2: the same time, to hold that much capacity of hatred 1172 01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:34,040 Speaker 2: for eggs, I have finally found one other person who 1173 01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:37,400 Speaker 2: at least shares some kind of passion about that hatred. 1174 01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,920 Speaker 1: I have a bad comedy idea for you, guys. You 1175 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:47,360 Speaker 1: and Jinks should sing Rihanna hate that love. 1176 01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,760 Speaker 2: You so you know that one. 1177 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,560 Speaker 1: But like with eggs on the back, this is like 1178 01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,960 Speaker 1: a bad comedy idea. You do it like Little Field 1179 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,040 Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen. 1180 01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:00,559 Speaker 2: But those were and I represent the hate and bow 1181 01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:01,920 Speaker 2: and represents the love. 1182 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,439 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And I feel like. 1183 01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:09,760 Speaker 2: It's just like nineties throwback. You guys would Ebony and Ivory. 1184 01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:22,960 Speaker 2: I do out with Jenks and you. But I do 1185 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,519 Speaker 2: want to say this about the microplastics and theolinas, I 1186 01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:38,120 Speaker 2: said Michelina's anyway, I hate Selina and Michelin together Michea. Uh, 1187 01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:44,599 Speaker 2: I hate them in college, yes, delicious, delicious, listen though 1188 01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:51,719 Speaker 2: you were in Wicked. Yeah, those are like a dollar 1189 01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:53,920 Speaker 2: a pop. I'm sure they're like, what five bucks the pop? 1190 01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:58,719 Speaker 2: Now they were a dollar a pop in college. YEA, yeah, 1191 01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,120 Speaker 2: you can probably get a deal. There's something about the 1192 01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,800 Speaker 2: point is something that. 1193 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:10,360 Speaker 5: Is exactly like that that might cost more, but it 1194 01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,920 Speaker 5: will be so much kinder to your body and it 1195 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,719 Speaker 5: will satisfy all the same things. 1196 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,799 Speaker 2: And I'm not even saying healthy. I'm not even saying healthy. 1197 01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:23,280 Speaker 2: You have reached this point in your career that if 1198 01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:28,920 Speaker 2: you want to get a take home taken bake lasagna, 1199 01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,240 Speaker 2: or if you want to get something that you put 1200 01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,840 Speaker 2: in your oven, I know, you know what, you probably 1201 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,679 Speaker 2: have the money to get one of those what air fryers? 1202 01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,960 Speaker 2: The number? I mean, there's so many things you could 1203 01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,360 Speaker 2: really step up your game, is all I'm saying, unless 1204 01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:48,400 Speaker 2: what you need is the Michelinus, in which case I 1205 01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,240 Speaker 2: totally get because I have a can of dnty more 1206 01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,920 Speaker 2: beef stew for the very same reason. I don't need 1207 01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,120 Speaker 2: to say, but I know that there is going to 1208 01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,360 Speaker 2: be a day I just once again need to haste 1209 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,479 Speaker 2: didn't he more beefs do? I used to do it 1210 01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,559 Speaker 2: on tour and Michelle Vassage would say, starting your day 1211 01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,960 Speaker 2: with a little didn'ty more there, and because it would 1212 01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:16,200 Speaker 2: be my name and I beating beefs spaghetti pantry would freak. 1213 01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,720 Speaker 2: I get them once in a blue moon. I need spaghetti. 1214 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:24,840 Speaker 2: I just more d beef, but the microwave I make 1215 01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:26,400 Speaker 2: them on this still. 1216 01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:30,519 Speaker 3: There's still plant, but there's the plastic. I'm sure it's 1217 01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:34,320 Speaker 3: not processed in the same plan. My high horse. You 1218 01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:35,720 Speaker 3: can't avoid it. 1219 01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:40,120 Speaker 2: It's crazy and it's my probably favorite food. There's some more, 1220 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:44,519 Speaker 2: there's some plastics. I mean, listen, we can't escape. I'm 1221 01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,920 Speaker 2: sorry I should have cleared it with you, but no, no, 1222 01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:48,400 Speaker 2: no no. 1223 01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,920 Speaker 1: I feel like you're used to what was really good, so. 1224 01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,880 Speaker 2: Worry. I just also got very self conscious that I 1225 01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:03,400 Speaker 2: might have not been intact. But you know, I'm embracing. 1226 01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,400 Speaker 2: Thank you. Okay, both, you can don't bleep it. I 1227 01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,519 Speaker 2: want people to know that it's an anxiety I deal with. 1228 01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:12,400 Speaker 1: Are you ready to do your other things? 1229 01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:13,240 Speaker 2: So honey? Hold on. 1230 01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:23,040 Speaker 1: Good yep, yeah, for sure? Sure that we are clear? 1231 01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,160 Speaker 2: Totally okay? Are you ready? 1232 01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:26,280 Speaker 1: Now? 1233 01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,120 Speaker 2: This is jinx monsoons. I don't think so, honey. Her 1234 01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:37,160 Speaker 2: time starts now, I don't think, so, honey. Where has 1235 01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:41,080 Speaker 2: everyone's manners gone? Where? The fuck have all your manners gone? 1236 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,919 Speaker 2: Where have all your manners gone? Because I am so serious. 1237 01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,120 Speaker 2: I feel like if I try to empathize, and if 1238 01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,400 Speaker 2: I try to figure out why no one has any 1239 01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,040 Speaker 2: manners anymore, and I think it's the pandemic and we 1240 01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,640 Speaker 2: all had to, like, you know, socially isolate and you 1241 01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,320 Speaker 2: know you could. It was like, don't say to your friends. 1242 01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,400 Speaker 2: So we took that on. But like manners, like it's 1243 01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,280 Speaker 2: not going to kill you to leave the hold the 1244 01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,640 Speaker 2: door open for two seconds. You know, it's not going 1245 01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,120 Speaker 2: to kill you to not be a cunt to people 1246 01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:11,960 Speaker 2: while you walk down the street. You know what happened 1247 01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,479 Speaker 2: to like just common decency? Look up from your phone 1248 01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:19,400 Speaker 2: when you're having a conversation with people you know, and 1249 01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:23,200 Speaker 2: while I'm clearing the air, it's like, condoms, what's that 1250 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,040 Speaker 2: all about? I paid for the research. I donated my 1251 01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,479 Speaker 2: money to that cancer research fund. It's a moot point anyway, 1252 01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:34,120 Speaker 2: I have diaphragms. Now, that's one minute. 1253 01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:41,040 Speaker 3: Whatever happened to good breeding and nice? 1254 01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:42,880 Speaker 4: Is? 1255 01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:44,840 Speaker 1: I hopefully both both? 1256 01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:45,880 Speaker 4: You know? 1257 01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:50,679 Speaker 2: You know that I thought long and hard about everything 1258 01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,439 Speaker 2: we discussed today that I knew was on the docket. 1259 01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,000 Speaker 1: Right, and you wanted to really go thank you for 1260 01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,519 Speaker 1: I really thought long and hard about that, and I'm like, 1261 01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,080 Speaker 1: is this I'm a sound classiest? 1262 01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:05,440 Speaker 2: Is this It's not about class, it's literally common decency. 1263 01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,360 Speaker 2: It's don't slam the door behind when you see me coming. 1264 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:13,000 Speaker 2: I I don't think it's no small fault to our 1265 01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:17,519 Speaker 2: leaders showing no class or decorum. That now people feel 1266 01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,040 Speaker 2: like that's that's out. 1267 01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:24,320 Speaker 3: There's social blaze, and therefore everybody is like in their 1268 01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:25,240 Speaker 3: own little and. 1269 01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,840 Speaker 2: Listen in Times Square, I'm just trying to get through 1270 01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:32,519 Speaker 2: as quickly as possible. But I'm not being a count 1271 01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,000 Speaker 2: while i'm doing it. In fact, because I'm from the 1272 01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:39,639 Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest, I would rather go out into the street 1273 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,640 Speaker 2: and walk around a crowded sidewalk. Maybe I do it 1274 01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,479 Speaker 2: na huff if I'm late. I try not to be 1275 01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:50,120 Speaker 2: late because anyway, but I'm so passive aggressive that I'd 1276 01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:54,080 Speaker 2: rather walk around the issue than say excuse me, because 1277 01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:58,240 Speaker 2: I'm so scared it's going to come out excuse. 1278 01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,160 Speaker 1: Me, and the case you wouldn't be having the but 1279 01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:01,559 Speaker 1: you'd be having good excuse me. 1280 01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:05,400 Speaker 2: Could you get five children wrangle just so that I 1281 01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:10,400 Speaker 2: can get to my rehearsal to want to say I'm 1282 01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:14,800 Speaker 2: a Broadway star. But that's what we're talking about, making me. 1283 01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,240 Speaker 1: Feel it so they can feel it as you swiftly 1284 01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:18,960 Speaker 1: pass by. 1285 01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:23,120 Speaker 2: So anyway, I have a personal investment in people, like 1286 01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:27,920 Speaker 2: remembering to just be decent to one another for many 1287 01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,880 Speaker 2: many reasons. One because I'm a person and we're all 1288 01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,960 Speaker 2: just people, and like, how the hell are you going 1289 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,400 Speaker 2: to make life hell for everyone else? Like that's who 1290 01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,800 Speaker 2: you want to be. You want to add to the problem. 1291 01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,439 Speaker 2: You see a problem and you want to add to it. 1292 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,120 Speaker 2: You want to press the door closed button. I'm in 1293 01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,840 Speaker 2: a building where I have never seen so many people 1294 01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:53,480 Speaker 2: get on an elevator and press the door closed button frantically, 1295 01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:55,519 Speaker 2: like in front of you as you're about as you 1296 01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:59,519 Speaker 2: get into their one time. That sucks, But mostly it's 1297 01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:04,160 Speaker 2: like I in, I hold the door open for them 1298 01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:10,280 Speaker 2: to then watch them go. I'm like, it brings out brain. 1299 01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,439 Speaker 2: It's breaking my brain because I don't I used to joke, like, 1300 01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:16,200 Speaker 2: you know, people are like, how did you get to 1301 01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,800 Speaker 2: be so polite? Or whatever? And I'm like I just 1302 01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:22,920 Speaker 2: was raised right, and I. 1303 01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:26,000 Speaker 1: How'd you get to be so polite? To be so sweet? 1304 01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:31,640 Speaker 2: How did you get to be so sweet? Very nasty? 1305 01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:36,160 Speaker 2: Won't you tell me there get to be so sweet? 1306 01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:41,559 Speaker 2: I could also do why Matt TV is a big part. 1307 01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,680 Speaker 2: When I had a podcast, it was my goal to 1308 01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,519 Speaker 2: have all I had Nicole Sullivan, I O. 1309 01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:54,360 Speaker 6: Colin, Stephanie Ware you've had no I'm saying you need 1310 01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,960 Speaker 6: to tell you I've Oh yeah, I would love to 1311 01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,880 Speaker 6: host a reunion the way and Shan does with Housewives. 1312 01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:05,040 Speaker 2: He just just drag him. Do you know if there 1313 01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:10,160 Speaker 2: were any reason to do like a live Hi Jinks? 1314 01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,400 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think you just I think you 1315 01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:21,360 Speaker 1: just do I here now we're gonna say no, absolutely not. 1316 01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:23,920 Speaker 1: But then we're like really mean and sharky. 1317 01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,040 Speaker 2: I want to cut that tour you do with the 1318 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:34,680 Speaker 2: Mad TV Women. Nothing happened are getting I want to 1319 01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,960 Speaker 2: produce it. I'm going to produce it with We're All 1320 01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:42,000 Speaker 2: You want to be an Angel? Donor of course. 1321 01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:48,120 Speaker 1: Listens stilling on Marry till the twenty damn eighth. We 1322 01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:49,720 Speaker 1: went in the time of our lives, but of course 1323 01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:50,160 Speaker 1: we did. 1324 01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,760 Speaker 2: Brilliant Thank you were as well. 1325 01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:58,120 Speaker 1: I love you dearly, thank you, and every every single 1326 01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:01,120 Speaker 1: episode with a song. Did you know what's in my head? 1327 01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:08,080 Speaker 2: Do you wanna have fun? Fun? Fun House is about 1328 01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:08,599 Speaker 2: if you. 1329 01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:14,519 Speaker 1: Laughs laughs, I can show you a. 1330 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:20,800 Speaker 2: Fun last good time, last good time, last good time. 1331 01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:27,240 Speaker 1: And then there's a bunch of stuff about what happens 1332 01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,080 Speaker 1: when you walked in the joint. 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