WEBVTT - Episode 437: Reacting To The Mariners Trading Luis Castillo To The White Sox 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:02.360 Welcome to episode number four thirty seven of the Marine 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:05.920 Layer Podcast. We'll react to Luis Castillo getting traded to 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:07.240 the Chicago White Sox. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:10.240 Reminder to you guys before we start the episode, just 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:12.559 make sure you download these podcasts. If you're listening, make 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.160 sure to rate and review five stars. 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It's 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.080 not nothing like they didn't get a ton back for 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.520 Louis Castile, but we were at the point that once 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:27.640 George Kirby's name got resurfaced again this morning here on Saturday, 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.959 all right, I mean, Louis Castile is untradable, or at 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.280 least the Mariners don't deem whatever return they're gonna get 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:38.840 for him as worth, like it's more valuable to just 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:40.880 keep him on the roster for the final two months 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:42.240 of the season and then you figure it out. 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:43.000 Mm hm. 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:44.960 Clearly that's not the case, and I kind of agree 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.040 with them, given that the White Sox are gonna end 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.960 up eating all of Louis Castile's salary, not only the 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.680 money this year, They're gonna eat all twenty four million 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.000 dollars of his salary next year, and then if his 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.960 option vests, the White Sox are gonna be again on 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.880 the hook for another They're I think twenty million dollars 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.080 in twenty twenty eight. So that's the Mariners essentially clearing 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:09.040 at this at this point, just under fifty million dollars 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:14.440 potentially from their payroll, which I hope gets reinvested back 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:16.680 into this roster in the form of a free agent, 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:18.400 a trade, or an extension. 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:19.359 You would hope. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.280 Yeah, they better not be sitting on this money, that's 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.320 for sure, because we ain't gonna live with that. People 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.080 should know, yes, if they don't they if they just 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:27.720 sit on the money, people should be pissed. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.600 But they could now turn around and offer this salary 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.720 that they were gonna pay anyway to Logan Gilbert. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.400 H Yeah, maybe to Brian wu or Bryce Miller if 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:37.480 you're looking at extending them. 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.280 Yeah, yeah, for sure. So there's more cash on hand 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.760 for this Mariners team. They are gonna have to take 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.320 on money of Sir Anthony Dominguez, who's owed seven and 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.440 a half million dollars total this year, So what has 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.919 it come out to? About two million dollars the Mariners 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.079 will take on here for the final two months. He's 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.639 owed ten and a half million next year, and then 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.560 he has there's a mutual option for I think twelve 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.080 and a half, but I doubt at this point, I 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.280 doubt the Maritors would take that on. But yeah, so 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.200 that's the money situation of this trade. The Mariners are 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:07.880 taking on some but not as much as they were 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:11.240 paying to Luis Castillo and the White Sox are sending 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.079 some cash to the Mariners, an undisclosed amount. 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.840 So to be clear, you know, there's a lot to 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.800 unpack here, But the Mariners will have Sir Anthony Demingaz 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.679 this year and then next year, so a year and 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:24.880 a half they'll have him, and then he will likely 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.680 hit free agency. That's that's how the contract structures out. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.679 And most of you fans probably know Sir Anthony Demingez 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:33.440 is the guy that gave up the Grand Slam to 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.040 au Henio Suarez in Game five, which is funny because 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.400 about ten months later now he's a Mariner. 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.080 It's funny how fast things change. 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.120 And people will say, well, if that's the reason I 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:47.200 don't want him, yeah, Like, okay, we've talked about him 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.480 before as a potential addition for the Mariners, especially when 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:52.200 he's a free agent this offseason. We'll talk about the 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.720 package here in a second. Let's talk about Luis Castillo 0:03:56.080 --> 0:04:00.360 here as a moment. So initial thought with this, lyle, 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.640 are the Mariners going to invite Luis Castile back to 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:05.920 the Mariner's fifty seasons celebration in a week? 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.560 I'm serious, that's what you want that's what you want 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.600 to talk about. He's traded and you're thinking about the 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:13.600 fiftieth weekend. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.760 Well, I mean it would be on brand, it would 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.400 be on brand. I'm joking. He's going to be on 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:21.920 that list. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:23.160 He will. 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.680 But but what do you mean is he invited like 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:27.799 he'll be playing a joke for the White Sox. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:28.839 Yeah, it's a joke. 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.760 Well, well, it's a similar conversation people have about the 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.920 manager Lyle so now turning around on a player they 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:36.720 just traded away. 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.719 You mean the Christian Vasquez of the Seattle Mariners, Dan Wilson. 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:42.440 That's who he is, by the way. But you know, 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.760 you know what, you know what, I just stopped myself 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.719 in real time. I could go down that rabbit hole. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.599 I'm not going to because people are here to listen 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.280 to a talk, to listen to conversation about Luis Castillo, 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.720 So let's do that. I would say a couple of things. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.520 If you're talking about the terms of the contract, I 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.520 think they did very well, and not just because they 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:05.000 cleared so much money. But we haven't spent a whole 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.240 ton of time talking about this yet. I mentioned it 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.599 a little bit in the reaction. We just posted on 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:14.560 social media. But that vesting option that Luis Castillo has 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.640 for twenty twenty eight had a chance to be a 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.359 real headache. And here's what I mean by that. We 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.600 hadn't gotten into it yet because it wasn't time yet. 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:25.560 But come next season, if Luis Castillo had thrown one 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.880 hundred and eighty innings or more, what happens to a 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.600 vesting option, meaning it is no guarantee to be picked up. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.920 Vesting option is not a guaranteed year under the contract. 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.960 It means that you have to hit a threshold for 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.080 the year to be picked up. And if Louise hit 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.640 one hundred and eighty innings in twenty twenty seven, the 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.840 vesting option becomes a player option, which means Luis Castillo 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.480 deciding whether he wants to hit free agency in twenty 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.920 twenty eight or pick up the twenty million dollar option 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.400 is one hundred percent his choice. The Mariners have no 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:58.680 say if he had hit one hundred and eighty innings 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.080 next year. Why that's a problem is because that had 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.240 a chance to get real dicey. If Louise had been 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:09.240 healthy all year and making starts. What happens when you 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.080 get into the tail end of the season and he's 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.680 approaching the innings limit, do the Mariners start to treat 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.200 him differently? And are they yanking him out of starts early? 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.000 And then his Castillo and his camp unhappy, And then 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.280 heaven forbid, they get to the last start of the 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.599 year and he's maybe six inning short and they pull 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.520 him after five and a third and then is there 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.280 a grievance file? Like the whole thing would have been 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.040 a nightmare if Louise had gotten close to that inning 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.480 threshold next year, it was going to be a headache 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.960 for all parties involved. For the Mariners to not have 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.160 to deal with that anymore is a plus. 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.800 Mm hmm, it is. I do think at this point though, 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:45.840 since they're willing to trade him here at the deadline, 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:47.400 he would have been shipped off in the off season. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:50.320 But again, someone would have traded for. 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.200 Him maybe, but we were worried nobody was going to 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:53.719 take on his deal, his contract. 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.560 Well, clearly someone was willing to take on his deal. 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.880 But until an hour ago, we were not convinced, and 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.560 we weren't convinced it was gonna in an offseason where 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.400 there may not be a lot of time to make trades. 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:04.640 Considering there's probably going to be. 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.600 A lockout, but knowing the Mariners, I mean, they probably 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.320 would have in the off season, especially with Kate Anderson 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.120 and Ryan Sloane, like legitimately on the doorstep. I mean 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.360 Kate is now but slowan by the offseason you would 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:19.920 think is almost right there. They would trade him for pennies, 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.040 maybe they save that money. They would absolutely do that, 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.520 and then they would again hopefully turn around and give 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.560 that money to one of their other starters that they 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.920 have not yet extended yet. I just I feel some 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:35.560 gratitude here for Luis Castile. I mean he was one 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.360 of the starts of this current era of Mariners baseball, 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:39.920 which has led to them getting all the way to 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.920 the ALCS Game seven of the ALCS. It was that 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:47.240 trade in twenty twenty two that did, I would say, 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.840 officially solidified the Mariners as one of the best, one 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:52.920 of the good teams in Major League Baseball, maybe best 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.120 as a generous term, but one of the good teams 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.640 in Major League Baseball. One of this allowed them to 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.680 compete here for the last few years, and a lot 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.760 of that doesn't happen without Louis Castile and the fact 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.760 he signed an extension with the team a month after 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:10.120 being traded is I mean, it's a real endorsement on 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.320 the franchise and like what they did to acquire him 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.080 and their sales pitch to him and then Louis Castillo 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:19.560 for a portion of this contract didn't age perfectly, but 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.760 performed well in some really big moments for the Mariners. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.800 So just want to say thank you to Luis. It 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:27.320 was awesome to watch him in a Mariner's uniform. And 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.880 he will I joked about the fifty. He will be 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:32.800 in the top fifty. They'll read his name off I 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:34.200 believe next next weekend. 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:35.360 Absolutely they will. 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:38.440 Yeah, people should feel a lot of gratitude toward him. 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.640 In twenty twenty three, he was top five in al 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.839 Cy Young voting twenty twenty two. He came into this 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.160 town and this team, and he gave this city and 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:50.480 this ball club an absolute jolt. He was you know, 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.040 you call him the rock. He was absolutely the rock 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.840 of this rotation. They don't get past the Blue Jays 0:08:55.880 --> 0:09:00.439 without him. And that absolutely dominant, dominant posts and starred 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.760 he had in twenty twenty two, and then he follows 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.400 it up with a great year in twenty three. He 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.760 did a lot, and he provided a lot of stability 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.120 in that rotation for a young group of guys that 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.520 had somebody to look up to and somebody that had 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:14.840 been there and done that and had true big league 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:18.520 success and was there as you know, not just a mentor, 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.959 but somebody that you could really if you're one of 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.000 those other pitchers, learn a lot from, take a lot 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.560 of things from. For the Mariners and Mariners fans, he 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:29.440 gave them legit production for a handful of years there. 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.319 So look, they got out of this deal at the 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.000 right time. They traded him at the right time. They 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.920 did well in the deal. But that doesn't mean you 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:41.000 shouldn't appreciate what he did, because he really did a lot. 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.160 Let's get into this trade package. Let's start with the 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.960 biggest piece of this package, and that's Sir Anthony Dominguz. 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.080 We talked about the salary. Now what about the baseball player. 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.320 I'd say the TLDR on Sir Anthony Domingez. He strikes 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.480 a lot of guys out, even in a down year 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.920 this year, He's got a twenty eight percent strikeout right. 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.880 The balance is he has a fourteen percent walk rate, 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.200 which is really, really really high. I do have a 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.320 comp right off the bat. I think this is the 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.640 Mariner's second chance at Ryan's Stanek. 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.080 I'm sure you just fired a whole lot of people 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:14.520 up with that. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:19.319 Yeah, guy who lasted four months and then was ironically 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:20.920 also traded at the deadline. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:25.440 Look, Sir Anthony Demingez is not fixing this bullpen. His 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.800 era sits at about four. The expected numbers are also 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:34.320 lower than that. He walks everybody. There's some positive parts 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.000 to his game, but he's not gonna be a leverage 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.160 reliever for this team. He's going to be somebody that 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.000 throws in low leverage in the sixth inning, which is fine, 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.400 and there is a role there. He's almost essentially filling 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.120 a potential Carlos Vargas role until he gets back, or 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.360 that type of role. But there's two things that are 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:56.560 true here. He can give them something something, but the 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.720 Mariners also still need to go add to their bullpen 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:00.760 because they need more leverage bullpen arms. 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:02.320 And he is not that guy anymore. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.959 Once upon a time, Sir Anthony Dominguez was absolutely lights out, 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.200 like when he was in Philadelphia. I mean, he he 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.720 was just a rock for those guys. But he's not 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:12.600 that guy anymore. 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.960 No, he was good last year though, before he gave 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.040 up the Gino Grand Slam, he had a thirty percent 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.480 strikeout rate in a low era. Yeah, the walk rate 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.160 was still pretty high last year. But he does miss bats. 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.680 No matter what's gonna happen, Guys are gonna swing a 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.200 miss against him. It's just in a given outing. Are 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.760 you gonna get enough swing and miss to offset the 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.280 pitches he throws out of the strike zone. I don't 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:34.800 think he's a guy at this point of his career 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:39.760 the Mariners can like tweak and fix. The Mariner's philosophy 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:41.920 is just go out and throw strikes. You could tell 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.560 Sir Anthony Diminge, is that all you want. It's not 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.000 a guarantee he goes out there and does it, but 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.400 he will be one of the eight best Mariners relievers. 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.480 That's a positive. Oh and by the way, Lyle, the 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:56.320 Mariners essentially add at a reliever slot. Why trading Luis 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:01.160 Castillo because the six man rotation is done? Yeah, it's 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.240 that's done. The piggyback six man. We don't have to 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.360 hear that term again the rest of the season. 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:11.800 Thank god, thank god. Honestly, like hopefully ever again. But yeah, 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.640 that is essentially the roster spot that Sir Anthony Demngez 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:16.840 will take because the Mariners can go back to having 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.040 an additional bullpen spot which will be filled by Dominguez 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:21.800 and subtracted by Castillo. 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.400 Nolan Jones is going to probably be in Triple A, 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.920 if I'm gonna guess, Since the Mariners have Luke Raley 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.440 and don Can Zone, there is no room for Nolan 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:33.840 Jones on the big league roster. He was a former 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:38.280 top prospect. He has some power, he's got a cannon 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.360 for an arm in the outfield, but he's really struggled 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.040 offensively in his big league career, which is why the 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.160 Mariners are probably gonna just stash him in Triple A 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.480 and use him as as depth Nice dude, though, we 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.160 interviewed him for our Bullpen Banner channel last year so 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.760 that we can vouch for how productive he's gonna be 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.360 on the fields, Like that's to be tvd. 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.800 He is probably a depth piece at this point where 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:02.560 if Luke Rayley gets traded or somebody goes down with 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.360 an injury, then he gets called up and maybe he'll 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.880 have a chance to prove himself come next year. I 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.880 mean to be fair. Nolan Jones three years ago had 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:12.959 a phenomenal season. I mean, he had about a four 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:14.599 and a half win year and was mashing at the 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:18.160 plate in Colorado. But he hasn't been that guy in 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:22.200 now a while. So it's gonna take some show it 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.200 to me. It's gonna take some prove it. He's gonna 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.480 have to go down and actually like do it in 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.600 Triple A. And he's hit okay down there this year. 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:33.280 It hasn't been anything otherworldly, but he's been okay. Most 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.440 likely here he is a depth piece moving forward who 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.680 maybe at some point gets some big league playing time. 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.040 The most intriguing piece of this trade package is the 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.880 catcher they got, minor league catcher Boston Smith. He ranked 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.200 right in the middle of the White Sox organization, but 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.160 we had as soon as his trade went down, multiple 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:55.520 people text us about the intrigue of Boston Smith. And 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.719 I'll tell you what, tell me this sounds intriguing. In 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:01.480 Double A this year is a one ninety six w 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.760 orc plus On the season. Between high end A and 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.920 Double A, he's slashing two ninety one, four forty eight, 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.560 five eighty nine with a one to sixty seven w 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:11.400 ORC plus. 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.680 Yeah, I'd say that's pretty good. I'd say that's really 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.360 really good. So the Maritors all of a sudden have 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.320 some pretty real catching depth in their system, because even 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.600 when you get past garb is the backup. I think 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.280 people believe Johnny Parada is get gonna get some more 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.920 playing time at some point or another. But then when 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.160 you get past him, now you're gonna have both Luke 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.440 Stevenson and Boston Smith. Likely those two will be kept 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.160 apart from each other, I would have to. I mean, look, 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.080 they could split time if they're in the same at 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.200 the same level with the same team, if they have to. 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.800 But I would guess the most likely outcome here is 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.680 they try to keep those guys apart. Maybe Smith's and 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.680 triple A while Stevenson's in double A, et cetera. And 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.760 now you have catching depth for the future, and maybe 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:58.640 one of those guys is now further additional like trade 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:00.360 bait at some point or trade piece. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:03.640 We'll have to dig around on Boston Smith a little 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.680 bit more. He was again only like the fifteenth ranked 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.480 White Sox prospect on MOB pipeline, so there's not a 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.040 ton of prospect pedigree with him, but like he rakes, 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.720 so I'm wondering what the real knock on him is. 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:20.720 The juxtaposition of that is Luke Stevenson. If he keeps going, 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.080 he's gonna be a top one hundred prospect. So like that, 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.920 there's gonna be that factor going into it where Luke 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.160 Stevenson will be getting some national attention from like where 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.520 he ranks on all these prospect lists. Well, Boston Smith's 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.360 a little bit more of an under the radar guy, 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.160 but there's one thing we do know is that he 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:37.800 hits the crap out of the ball. 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.680 Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how they manage those guys. 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:42.840 So we'll see how that fares down to the minor 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.880 leagues as time goes on. But yeah, I think the 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.560 Mariners did pretty well here. I don't think a lot 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.200 of people believe they could trade Luis Castillo at this point, 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.560 and they not only traded him, but they ate the 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.480 entire car or they got the White Sox. They traded him, 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.640 they got the White Sox to eat the entire contract, 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.120 and they still got pieces, bad. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.040 Pieces that they could use on their team, not just 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.240 random pieces, which is good. I'd say the last thought 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:12.000 I have here comes from the reporting that Adam Jude 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.920 had out of this trade, is that the Mariners are 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:19.480 still open to trading Emerson, Hancock and George Kirby. So 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:24.240 that tells me this this Louis Castile move was to 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.440 free up salary and clear space in the rotation for 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.200 better arms to pitch. That could be the five guys 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.680 currently remaining in the rotation, that could also include Kate 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.800 Anderson and Ryan Sloan. That they're going to now use 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:41.840 Kirby or Hancock potentially to bring them back the impact 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.560 they need without trading prospects. So it's not just going 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.480 to be potentially we still have about forty eight hours 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.360 to go one of these guys getting traded just to 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.200 shed one guy. It's like, all right, we shedded some salary. 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.800 Now we're going to try and go out and acquire impact, 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.840 so they get the right package for Emerson or George Kirby. 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.920 At least for the reports. It still could happen and 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.560 could give that drastic change that we've been asking for. 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.760 Right and by impact we mean impact bat obviously, And 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.080 it makes sense that they're still shopping those guys around, 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.639 right because trading Luis Castillo doesn't change the fact that 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.280 Kate Anderson still needs a spot in this rotation come 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.080 twenty twenty seven, and right now there's no room for him, 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.280 and they're obviously gonna want to and almost have to 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.680 clear space for him, so they're gonna have to find 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:32.080 some solution there now. If they trade one of these 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.399 guys at the deadline, it does make the rest of 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:40.000 this season much more interesting because you could call Kate 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.320 up now and if he's got enough innings left, he 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.800 becomes your fifth starter for the rest of the season, 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.400 and then maybe if the team actually gets into the playoffs, 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.560 he moves to the bullpen. But it does leave you 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.840 a spot open in your rotation if you trade one 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:53.760 of these guys. 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.359 And where Kate is at right now, he still doesn't 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.200 throw over seventy five pick in any of his starts, 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.959 and that would be the same up at the big 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:05.960 league levels. You'd have to get used to a lot 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.520 of five inning starts for Kate Anderson, or it could 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.119 be super efficient and get through six innings. But they've 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:15.320 really really been strict on his innings this year, so 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.520 even if he does come up and he pitches, well, 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:19.680 you're only going to get so many bullets out of 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:23.880 him this year, so you know, at the big league level, 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.000 sure that works. But compare that to Emerson Hancock and 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:31.560 George Kirby, who don't really have innings limits this year. 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.439 They're not getting pulled out at seventy five pitches. They 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.160 will throw you seven complete if that's how their starts going. 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.399 So you wonder, like kid might be better on an 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.920 inning by inning basis, But is it better to have 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:47.040 a seven inning, seven inning starter or a five inning starter. 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.399 But you only have to manage it for about seven 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.560 weeks and then if the team gets if the team 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.119 gets into the playoffs, Kaid goes to the bullpen and 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.280 the other four will be the one starting playoff games. 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.440 But it's seven weeks in which you need to reclaim 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:01.520 a playoffs spot they are not currently in. 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.280 For sure, and it does make things much more interesting. 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.760 But we have said for a while now that Kate 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.280 feels like a big league arm just simply pitching in 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.880