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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's me Josh, and for this week's Select,

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Speaker 1: I've decided it's time for a rousing bout of goofy

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Speaker 1: history with our twenty fifteen episode on the Nazis who

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Speaker 1: invaded the United States during World War Two. I won't

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Speaker 1: give anything away, but suffice to say it's the kind

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Speaker 1: of topic that records itself. So relax. Let me give

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Speaker 1: you a quick shoulder up there, very nice and enjoy

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Speaker 1: this classic stuff you should know at Welcome to Stuff

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Speaker 1: you should know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Bryant,

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Speaker 1: Jerry's over there. This is stuff you should no. Okay,

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Speaker 1: ready for this. I'm ready. We're gonna channel our stuff

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Speaker 1: you missed in history class. Yeah. I'm not sure if

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Speaker 1: they've done this or not. Have you are you? I

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Speaker 1: don't know, So, Chuck, I don't know if you know

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Speaker 1: this one because it didn't come up in this article.

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Speaker 1: But back in World War Two, did you know that

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Speaker 1: the Japanese actually carried out bombing campaigns, two of them

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Speaker 1: in Oregon? I didn't know that, Oh you did. I'm

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Speaker 1: a bit of a buff and that insane. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of forgotten history or a little

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Speaker 1: known history that you read it in. Thank God for

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Speaker 1: like the Internet, because someone will post an article and say,

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Speaker 1: I bet you never knew this, yeah, and then you're like, what, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty much the function of the Internet what you

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Speaker 1: just describe, you know. Sure, So this one, I think

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Speaker 1: I've learned about this from unsurprisingly Uncle John's Bathroom Reader

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Speaker 1: years and years and years ago. Oh yeah, but definitely

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Speaker 1: not in this kind of detail. It turns out that

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Speaker 1: in World War Two, in nineteen forty two, I believe

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Speaker 1: in Armagansett, New York, which is on Long Island, and

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Speaker 1: ponte Vedra Beach, Florida, which is just south of Jacksonville. Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: Nazi saboteurs landed, they invaded America. Yeah, pretty remarkable, it

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Speaker 1: really is. What's even more remarkable is how badly their

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Speaker 1: operations went. Yeah. What's remarkable is well, not remarkable, what's uh.

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Speaker 1: Thankfully they chose a bunch of dopes, um, half hearted dope,

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Speaker 1: half hearted dopes who I don't know if they didn't

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Speaker 1: do their research. We'll get into how they picked these

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Speaker 1: these schmows. Yeah, but um, it didn't go so well,

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Speaker 1: I really did. But if they had to pick them

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Speaker 1: like the right guys, it might have been a whole

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Speaker 1: different story. Oh yeah, totally in this war and the FBI,

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Speaker 1: especially Jager Hoover, really lucked out that these guys were

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Speaker 1: half hearted dope. Well not if you ask him. No,

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Speaker 1: it was just you might as well have worn a

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Speaker 1: cape around the office. Yeah, you know, well he may

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Speaker 1: have a little else. So back in World War two,

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Speaker 1: to just destroy New York. And Werner von Braun, the

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Speaker 1: from Europe. That was one thing never fully realized because

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Speaker 1: And they were also working on long range bombers they

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Speaker 1: and like fantasizes about New York City. Crazy. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: if he was going to get New York, the best,

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Speaker 1: to send saboteurs into the United States to infiltrate and

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Speaker 1: do New York themselves. That's right, you know, terrorists essentially. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: were considered officially spies and unofficially saboteurs. Yes. Uh, should

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Speaker 1: read one on Damned Interesting, which was good. There was

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Speaker 1: one you sent called World War two German saboteurs invade

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Speaker 1: So let me undermine that and let me devise this plan.

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Speaker 1: UM the basically the sabotage unit of the German Military

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Speaker 1: Intelligence Corps. And these guys had kind of perfected their

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Speaker 1: a canary. So the ab there selected a man. His

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Speaker 1: what Walter Kapp, who was a pudgy, bull necked man

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Speaker 1: they selected him to head up this operation, which Cap

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Speaker 1: The reason they selected Cap for this operation was because

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Speaker 1: something called the Auslin Institute. Yea, and they were big

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Speaker 1: But they were so unpredictable and radical here in the

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Speaker 1: him with what would be eight dudes, which they divided

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Speaker 1: pass themselves off as just regular good German Americans. Right.

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Speaker 1: Coney Island? Right? Ivanta hotdog? Exactly? Yeah? So they were

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Speaker 1: second guy on the first team, Ernest peter Berger. He

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Speaker 1: and now. Yeah, I just I don't know. I don't

423
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: agree with that one, but hey, everyone has their own

424
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: rules when it comes to saboteuring. Okay, so sabotaging, right, yes, sabotaging.

425
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: That was just kidding anyway, And I've learned recently that

426
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: that was of m that's that words of recent providence.

427
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: Did you know that, like it didn't come into use

428
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: until the beginning of like the twentieth century. That makes sense.

429
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: I would have thought it was a fairly old word. Yeah, nope.

430
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: Did we just think of sabotage or did we just

431
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: start calling it that? Like, did they not use to

432
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: sabotage back in the day. Yeah, I think they just

433
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: started calling it that. Okay. So um, so this is

434
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: Dash's team Teams Team mines and they show up on

435
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: the shore and they're wearing again German military uniforms, which

436
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: they took off really quickly, very quickly. Yeah. Once they

437
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 1: saw that, you know, okay, we made it. Yeah, the

438
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: operation has begun. They changed right, Yeah, they changed clothes

439
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: and they started, uh I guess they put on there

440
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: I love New York shirts and they started digging big

441
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 1: holes in the beach to bury these munitions so they

442
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: could come back as needed when they wanted to blow

443
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: something new up. Yes, they can't just carry that stuff around, no,

444
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: and they needed to just stash everything and go and

445
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: cool out and make sure that no one was like

446
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: onto him or anything like that, and then come back

447
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: and get it, like you said, as they needed. Yeah.

448
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: The plan was to meet up for the two teams

449
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: to meet up in Cincinnati on July fourth for a

450
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: baseball game, is what I'm imagining. Yeah, yeah, the Reds

451
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: versus the Braves. I don't know where the Braves were then,

452
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: probably Milwaukee, sure, Okay, I don't think they moved to

453
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: Atlanta until the sixties. Yeah, but I was trying to

454
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: think of Boston, but they were that was long before

455
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: so the team in inst was changing. They just landed. Yeah,

456
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: they were in the midst of changing when they were

457
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: discovered by a coast guardsman. Yeah. Well one of them

458
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: was that Josh climbed over a dune and while the

459
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: other guys were still bearing and changing their clothes, and

460
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: he walked up and there was a coast guard dude,

461
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: John Cullen, standing right there, and he was like, hey,

462
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: what you're doing right basically, and the guy was like, oh, nothing, yeah,

463
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: and uh he apparently was kind of handling things when

464
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: Burger comes over, and Burger thought that so the team

465
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: inz had been rowed to shore by two German sailors,

466
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: and I guess Burger lost track of the German sailors

467
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 1: and assume that they were still there, and that for

468
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: some reason it was only Dash four guys plus the

469
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: two right, and that Josh had climbed over the dune

470
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: to talk to one of the sailors. Yeah. So Burger

471
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: comes up and asks a question in Germany, and the

472
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: coast guardsman, John Cullen, is like, why are you speaking German?

473
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: We're at war with Germany. What's going on? Yeah, And

474
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: at that point Josh tells Burger to get out. Yeah,

475
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: he said, you fool, go back to the others, right,

476
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: And the guy was why, like what others? Wait a minute,

477
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: And so Dash's story was that they were fisherman, stranded fisherman. Yeah,

478
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: And before he got really suspicious clan, the guy from

479
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: the coastguard said, well, if you guys are stranded fisherman,

480
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: that's my job. We have a Coastguard like house, party

481
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: house right up the beach. We just ordered some pizza.

482
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: Come with me, you guys can eat some pizza and

483
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: chill out, and Josh is like, well, uh, we don't

484
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: have any idea on us. Yeah, we don't fishing permits either, right,

485
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: we don't want to get in trouble. I was like, well,

486
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: you're telling a guy from the Coastguard that, so you're

487
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: in trouble first of all, but secondly that strikes me

488
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: as weird. About that time, Burger comes up, asks his

489
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: question in German, and Josh sees the riding on the

490
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: wall and tells Um tells Collen, well, he says, do

491
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: you have a mother? And Colin says yes. He goes

492
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: do you have a father? Says yes, and Dash says, well,

493
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: then I wouldn't want to kill you. Yeah, so how

494
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: about I give you some money you can forget that

495
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: this ever happened. And he tries to give him a

496
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: hundred bucks and Colin said nope. Yeah, he says no,

497
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: thank you, and he said He ends up giving him

498
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty dollars and Cullin basically realized that

499
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: something was going down and I just need to just

500
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: take this money and act like I'm down with the

501
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: take and get out of here. So he does. So

502
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: he does. He scaddles and then oh, but not before

503
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: this is very key piece. Actually, oh yeah, Josh grabbed

504
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: his flashlight before he left and shined it on his

505
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: own face and said, you will be meeting me in

506
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: East Hampton sometime soon. Do you know who I am?

507
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: And then guy was like, no, I don't know who

508
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: you are. And he said my name is George John Davis,

509
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: which was a lie. Well it was his real alias

510
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: for the mission though, so like he actually gave him

511
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: his real alias, and he said what's your name? And

512
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: Cullin said Frank Collins, which was a lie. Which was

513
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: a lie. Pretty quick thinking and um, basically he scrambled

514
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: back and Josh came back over and was like little

515
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: seeing their guys, I totally took care of it, right,

516
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: should not be a big deal. Don't even worry about

517
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: pay the guy two hundred and sixty bucks. Yeah, we're good. Yeah,

518
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: So everybody finished bearing these boxes, which they did, and

519
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: um Colin ran off and went and grabbed some of

520
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: his fellow coastguardsmen. By the time they got back, Team

521
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: Ice had left. Yeah, they wentn't caught a train, but

522
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: apparently and this is another thing, so the U boat

523
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: that dropped off. Team Ice had grounded itself on a

524
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: sand bar and was sitting there like trying to get

525
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: back out to sea because Dawn was just rocked back

526
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: and forth in your chair? Was that that's what it looked,

527
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: was that the method they had all the guys in there. Yeah,

528
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: it just moved to the right, right exactly. Yeah, And

529
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: finally the tide came in just enough for them to

530
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: dislodge themselves and go back out to sea, just in time.

531
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 1: But apparently um Colon and the other coastguardsman who came

532
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: back caught sight of this U boat heading back out

533
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: to sea. Yeah not good, right, Yeah, No German U

534
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: boat off the host to Long Island just ran into

535
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: some guys who are speaking German and tried to pay

536
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: you off. And then now all of a sudden, in

537
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: the moonlight, you can see the ghostly outlines of four

538
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: freshly dug holes in the sand. Yeah, let's see what's

539
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah. I wonder if um I couldn't find

540
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: I saw that about the boat being stuck, but I

541
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: couldn't find if that was like, if they could have

542
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: gotten away, you know, it could have all changed. They

543
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: might not have been that suspicious I think that Cullen

544
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: was he was on it appropriately suspicious. Yeah, he was

545
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: definitely coming back, but seeing the U boat was just

546
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: icing on the cake exactly. Okay, so the other dudes

547
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: had hopped date. Well, they dug up the holes and

548
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: they found the stuff and said, okay, this is a

549
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: huge deal. Yeah, we just found a trove of explosives

550
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: in German military uniforms buried on the beach like sixty

551
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: miles from New York. Yeah, so toot sweet. By ten

552
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: twenty three that morning, those boxes were in the office

553
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: of New York City Police Captain John Bayliss, who then

554
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: promptly got in touch with the FBI, and by noon

555
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: that day, thirteen hours after they had arrived, the FBI

556
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: had all that stuff in custody, and Jay Edgar Hoover said,

557
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: there's a we need to get a blackout on the

558
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: news so these guys don't get wise to this, and

559
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: we need to get the largest man hunt in FBI

560
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: history underway. And they did, and we will explore that

561
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: and all the ways the FBI got some lucky breaks

562
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: on this. Right after these messages, you know, all right,

563
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: so Team iience, let's recap here. They are in Manhattan. Yeah,

564
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: they go shopping at Macy's. Of course. Yeah, we've got

565
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: a lot of cash. All they had with them was

566
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: the clothes the civilian, the clothes they brought and all

567
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: that cash. Yeah, that was it. Everything else is buried

568
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: back in the beach, but is now an FBI custody

569
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 1: unbeknownst to these guys. That's right. So they go shopping

570
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: at Macy's. They split into They said, let's split up

571
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: into pairs, because that makes sense. Kieran and Hank checked

572
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: into the hotel Martinique Dash and Burger I went to

573
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: the Governor Clinton hotel Governor Bill Clinton, and I don't

574
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: think so. And unless he was named after the hotel,

575
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: oh yeah, never know. That's why he always wanted to

576
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: be governor. So apparently, um Dosh and Burger met. He

577
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: summoned Burger to his hotel room up on a tall

578
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: floor and opened the window and said, I've got a

579
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: plan and I'm going to tell you about it. And

580
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: if you're on board, you're on board. But if you're not,

581
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: then one of us is leaving through the door. One

582
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 1: of us is leaving through the window. He basically threw

583
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: down the gauntlet to Burger to Burger, I, oh wow,

584
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. Yeah, And so Burger he basically said,

585
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: I would like to turn and sabboteur sabotage the sabotage

586
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: right and go against Germany and because America is kind

587
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: of great. So Dash was going to kill Burger if

588
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: Burger didn't go along with it. That's what he said.

589
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: And apparently Burger had the choice too, like or you

590
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: can you can defeat you and throw you out the window,

591
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: or you can triumph and be the living victor. Yeah.

592
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: So I think Burger was just on board. And they

593
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: said that in this article that um Dash probably was

594
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: telling the truth that he was. He was really this

595
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: was his idea from the beginning. So here's the here's

596
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: the question. Like, historically speaking, Dash has been seen as

597
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: a genuine betrayer of this mission. Sure, but when he

598
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: became a genuine betrayer of the mission is issues still

599
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: according to this history and that article, either he knew

600
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: it before they even landed, yeah, and that that is

601
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: why he showed his face and gave his real alias

602
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: to right John Colin on the beach, which makes sense,

603
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: or his encounter with John Cullin on the beach rattled

604
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: him enough that he was like, this is never gonna work.

605
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: We're already We're already dead in the water. That's a

606
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: quick turn. So now I'm going to go ahead and

607
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: betray it. Yeah, I say that he was in on

608
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: it from the beginning. That's what that's my feeling, because

609
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: he was snoozing in spy school. Just I don't know,

610
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: it seems like a really quick like they just land

611
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: on the beach. Five minutes later he meets a guy

612
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: and he's like, wait a minute, it's off. I'm gonna

613
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: betray Germany. Right, it just seemed I don't know, a

614
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: little too hasty. Well, maybe he had nerves of spaghetti. Yeah,

615
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: cooked spaghetti. Even so, he says, here's the plan. On Monday,

616
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,959
Speaker 1: dash to burger Yeah, he said, on Monday, I'm gonna

617
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: go to the head. They closed the window by now, yeah,

618
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: I think. So they went to dinner and everything was good,

619
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: and he said, I'm gonna go to Uh, I'm gonna

620
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: go to Washington meet with j Edgar Hoover. That should

621
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: be pretty easy to get that meeting the man himself. Yeah,

622
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: I hear. He wears nothing about a caper on the

623
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: office and he said, you go back to the other

624
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: two guys and just sort of occupy them for a

625
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: little while while I'm going to DC and requesting a

626
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: meeting with the FBI, the head of the FBI. Right,

627
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: So Burger says, let's do this. Josh says, okay, it's Sunday,

628
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: and Josh doesn't make his way to DC until Thursday morning. Yes,

629
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: instead he goes So remember he was a waiter in America. Well,

630
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: he called. He called the FBI first, at least, right,

631
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: And the reason why he called firsts he was a

632
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: little worried because apparently back in a training camp in

633
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: the woods, cop Falter Cop had said, you guys don't

634
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: need to worry, we have a man on the inside

635
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: of the FBI. So Josh was worried that if he called,

636
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: or if he just showed up at FBI headquarters he

637
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: talked to that one guy right out of all the

638
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: FBI guys, he would have that level of bad luck, which,

639
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: from what I understand, that was something that was a

640
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: good concern for her to have. So he called the

641
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: New York Bureau first and said, I'm a German dude,

642
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: I've got information for Jake Er Hoover tell him I'm coming,

643
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: and then he hung up and he went to a

644
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: club four waiters and then played pinuckle for like two

645
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 1: straight days. Yeah, I get I think he was probably gambling.

646
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: That's what I think too, because if I'm not mistaken

647
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: with the math, he ended up with more money than

648
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: he came with. Really, yeah, so he went and gambled

649
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: with sabotage money. I think so, man, that guy is

650
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: some serious colonies. He's pretty awesome. So eventually he said,

651
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: all right, I gotta go to Washington. This peinuckle game

652
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: has dried up. So he hopped on the Acela Express

653
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: for Washington, Sure, which I highly recommend. By the way, man,

654
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: train travel is awesome. Regional train travel is a delight,

655
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: such a delight, And especially from Boston to New York.

656
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: You just ride along the coastline there and it's just lovely.

657
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: It is lovely. Sailboats and cape cold houses right on points,

658
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: lobster rolls. Yeah, it's nice, good stuff. All right. So

659
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: Josh has arrived by train. Finally by this point, Team

660
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: Spy has landed, right. Yeah. They show up in Florida

661
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: and they're like, let's do this for real. And I

662
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: imagine ponto Vedra Beach in nineteen forty three. It was

663
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: a pretty low key scenario for sure, you know, yeah,

664
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: I would think so. So they are twenty five miles

665
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: south of Jacksonville. They bury their crates, no sweat, hop

666
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: on a bus, go to Jacksonville. They split up from

667
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 1: that point too, went to Cincinnati. Two went to Chicago. Yeah,

668
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: and like I mean, they were no must There wasn't

669
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: like any no one was calling the FBI like they

670
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: were in it to win it basically. Yeah, why they

671
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: should have done Team Ice should have done their recon beforehand.

672
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: The U boat should have not pulled up next to

673
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: a Coastguard station first of all. That would have been

674
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: one thing. Yeah, because that Coastguard station was like half

675
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: a mile away. Yeah it was there, all right, maybe

676
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: that bad intel. So Josh gets to d C, checks

677
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: into the Mayflower Hotel. Yeah, this is the same day

678
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: that Caroling's group lands in Pontevedra. It's a big day,

679
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: huge day, okay. And he in DC said all right,

680
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call the FBI again because you gotta meet

681
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: with Hoover. And he reached out to a Dwayne Trainer,

682
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: and of course Trainer says, you know, this is probably

683
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: not a legitimate call. We get these kind of weird

684
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: calls all the time, but just in case, let's go

685
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: pick him up. Yeah, let's let's see what's going on.

686
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: It's a slow day at headquarters. Yeah exactly. So they

687
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: go and pick up the German and they bring him

688
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: to the Justice Department, and Dash said that he was

689
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: basically bounced from agent to agent, every who's kind of

690
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: a hot potato, nobody wanting to deal with him, And

691
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: finally he convinced these guys enough to end up in

692
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: the office of Mickey Ladd, who was running the man

693
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: hunt for the spies, and the head of the Spies

694
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: was now sitting in his office, Yeah, telling him he's

695
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: the head of the spies, and he still didn't quite

696
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: believe him until Dash said, oh yeah, well here, let

697
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: me show you this and dumped out eighty four thousand

698
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: dollars on Lad's desk, and Lad said, I'm so pleased

699
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: you came in today, right, come with me? Yeah, So, Josh,

700
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: here's here's his idea. Is I want to talk to

701
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: Hoover himself because I'm going to be a hero and

702
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: I might even get like a Medal of Honor out

703
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: of this, right, Like, maybe Jager will have me over

704
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: to his house for dinner. Yeah, who knows what could

705
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: come of this? Take your tape parade, They threw those

706
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: all the time back then. Yeah, so they the FBI

707
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: gets him talking. He does get to meet Hoover briefly, sure,

708
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: but a couple of other agents take his deposition, which

709
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: lasts for thirteen hours. Yeah, before he finished, he had

710
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: told them about Burger and where Burger was, and they

711
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: went and picked up Burger. Yeah, he like, while he

712
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: was still telling him the story, they were already on

713
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: at Burger's hotel staking him out. Yep. So they before

714
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: they picked up Burger, they were staking him out, like

715
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: you said. And they watched Burger go meet Kieran and

716
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: Hink and so they just arrested all three of them

717
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: in all all of a sudden, they had team in

718
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: custody within like a day of um dash walking into

719
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: FBI headquarters. It didn't go so well for Team Ice. No, no,

720
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: so when the team leader betrays you, yeah, like yeah,

721
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: you're you're in trouble, your toast. So on June twenty second,

722
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: Hoover wrote to FDR and said you know what's her.

723
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: We've we've caught all the members of this group that

724
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: landed on Long Island. Pretty great, huh, and we are awesome. Um.

725
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: He didn't mention that the guy turned himself in and

726
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: told him where everyone was, right, and so FDR was

727
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: just thought that Hoover had done like a bang up job. Basically,

728
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: he's like, wait, way to go, way to do your

729
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: job exactly. He'd lied pretty much. So um, Dash had

730
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: no real leads or anything about teams. Yeah, but he

731
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: did have a handkerchief that had contacts on invisible ink,

732
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: and surprisingly he hadn't blown his nose in it right

733
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: at this point, but he couldn't remember how you were

734
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: supposed to get the invisible ink to become visible. No. Luckily,

735
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: the FBI had a crack team of lab techs on

736
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: this thing, and they figured it out. And now all

737
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: of a sudden they had the names and addresses of

738
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: all of the German contacts for these teams right there

739
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: in their hands, thanks to Dash. Yeah. Right, so they

740
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: were all obviously staked out just waiting on Team HENS

741
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: or I'm sorry, Teams VY to meet up with these people, right,

742
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: which they did. But first teams FI did some other

743
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: weird stuff like Herbert hopped. He was in Chicago, where

744
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: again he'd lived since he was five, and Holpe decided

745
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: that he would buy a Pontiac car. Yeah. Yeah, he

746
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: went to his parents' house, right, I told his dad everything. Yeah,

747
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: had his dad buy him the car? Yep. And he

748
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: proposed to his girlfriend. He remember he had left during

749
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: the war and he was an able bodied man over

750
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: age eighteen. Yeah, And so the local draft board wanted

751
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: to know where he was. So he drops by FBI

752
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: headquarters to clear up his draft problem. Says, I'm back. Sorry,

753
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: I've already registered with my local draft board. No need

754
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: to track me anymore. I'm just an all American boy. Yeah,

755
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: And the FBI was like, yeah, sure, thank you for

756
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: coming by, right, and then tailed them on the way out. Yeah.

757
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: And then he led them to at least one other

758
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: team member, right. Yeah. And while this was going on,

759
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: Curling and Werner Thiel went to New York and met

760
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: up with a friend named Helmet Lena because they wanted

761
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: to have sex with a lady. And so Lina hooked

762
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: him up with his mistress, said here, have sex with her,

763
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: and he said great, thanks, and he ended up traveling

764
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: with that woman. Curling did, and within a couple of

765
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: days after Dash surrendered. Um, they spotted Curling because they

766
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: were trailing him at a bar where he met with

767
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: Thel and they rested both of those guys. Right, So

768
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: two down on team spy her about helped. I'm sorry,

769
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: three down at this point, right, Holped was taken down

770
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: in Chicago. Yeah, the only one left at this point

771
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: was Herman neubaua right, And Neubauer spent his time in

772
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: was it in New York? I think he was in Chicaga. Okay,

773
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: you're probably right. Um, he just went to the movies

774
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: over and over again. Yep, that's what he did. He

775
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: was apparently lonely, so he sought out some friends of

776
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: his wife, whom he hadn't really met before. Yea, he

777
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: told them everything, told him everything. He gave him his

778
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: money for safe keeping, unbelievable, but kept enough to go

779
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: to the movies a bunch. So basically he kept a

780
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: dollar right and dollar fifty. Yeah, and then he was

781
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: I think he'd just come back from the movies when

782
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: the FBI picked him up. Right, yep, So Dash, remember

783
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: is sure that like he's going to be feted as

784
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: a hero that Jay ger Hoover is probably like thinking

785
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: about him right then. Yeah, he's just like basically like

786
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: Ralphie in a Christmas story, just daydreaming about like how

787
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: he's going to be carried around on everyone's shoulders. He

788
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: probably should have been so, I mean, he's the reason

789
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: why this went south, because he said, you know what

790
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying, I'm siding with America. Sure, the thing is Hoover.

791
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: He didn't care Jay ger Hoover. Not only did he

792
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: not care, Hoover was taking the credit for all of

793
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,479
Speaker 1: this unraveled. See to bury this right, he couldn't let

794
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: Josh be known as this guy who would come and

795
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 1: given him this whole thing on a platter, or else

796
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: Hoover would look like an idiot, and Josh might very

797
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: well have been hailed as at least a slimy collaborate

798
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: rather than a criminal. Yeah, after everybody was rounded up,

799
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: the FBI arrested Josh, and Josh must have been quite

800
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: surprised by this. Well, yeah, they arrested him, but they said, hey,

801
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: just go along with us. You'll get a full presidential

802
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: pardon after six months. Just sort of play along with

803
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: the arrest and he was like, oh, okay, I see,

804
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: so put me in the jail with the other guys

805
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: so they don't know, yeah exactly. And it was like, yeah, sure,

806
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: Well because that jibe with Hoover's plan to keep it

807
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: all quiet. Still exact I was working out great for Hoover.

808
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: It didn't work out great for Josh or the others.

809
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: Chuck No. So Fdr wanted to make sure that he

810
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: could get the death penalty and that this could be

811
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 1: kept quiet. So he formed a military tribunal to try

812
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: these guys. And it was the first one since Lincoln

813
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: had been assassinated. Yeah, it was a big deal. So

814
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: the prosecutor was Attorney General Francis Biddle, chief defense was

815
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: Colonel Kenneth Royal. They defense argued initially for a civilian

816
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: trial that was quickly scrapped and they said, no, we're

817
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: going to move forward with a tribunal and held the

818
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: trial out the Justice Department in Washington during the month

819
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: of July nineteen forty two and basically said, we know

820
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: the whole there's not going to be much of a trial, Fellas,

821
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: we know everything because you told us everything exactly. You

822
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: are coming here to sabotage and blow up our junk

823
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: and you're in big trouble, right, And the prosecutors sought

824
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: the death penalty, as expected, but it was up to

825
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: FDR to decide when and where, and to do that,

826
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: he had to have a transcript of the trial. And

827
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: when he got this transcript of the trial, it became

828
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: obvious that Hoover hadn't really done anything. Yeah. Appinently FDR

829
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: never called him out on it in public, No, which

830
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 1: was a nice thing to do, I guess, I guess,

831
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: because that would have just been further embarrassment for like

832
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: the whole country, you know. Yeah, So they kept that quiet,

833
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: but at this point it was news all over the country.

834
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: They weren't keeping a quiet with a press, and the

835
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: American public was way in favor of the death penalty.

836
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: In fact, there was an open letter published in one

837
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: newspaper calling for them to be fed to Gargantua, the

838
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: guerrilla at the Ringling Brothers circus, because that's fair to

839
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: Gargantua too, Yeah, eat those Germans. Well. Instead, they electrocuted

840
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: six of them on August eighth of the District Jail

841
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: in Washington, DC. That's right, including Kurbert Hout, who was

842
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Speaker 1: just like, I just wanted Upontiac. Yeah, I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to see my parents. Right. Burger and Dash were spared

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00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: the death penalty because they basically had a hard time

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Speaker 1: proving in court that they didn't you know, fully intend

846
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: to betray the operation. Yeah, exactly right. So they did

847
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Speaker 1: not get electrocuted. They were sentenced Burger to hard labor

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Speaker 1: for the rest of his life and Dash was given

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Speaker 1: thirty years. But President Truman commuted their sentence, released them

850
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Speaker 1: and deported them, had them shipped to um West, Germany. Yeah,

851
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 1: West Berlin said, don't come back, Nope, get out. And

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00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: the other guys were buried in a potter's field by

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Speaker 1: the way and outside Washington, Yes, which is now the

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Speaker 1: DC Municipal Water Treatment plant. Oh really yeah where they

855
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: were buried. Yeah, just right now. They're part of the system,

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00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: I guess. And so Dash and Burger go back to

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00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: Germany and Burger starts like feeding the media the story

858
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 1: is basically five years later and blame right and blames

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Speaker 1: Josh for the deaths of these other six German patriots

860
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Speaker 1: or who were saboteurs. Right, and dash Um tried to

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Speaker 1: publicly clear himself. He first sawt to pardon in America

862
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: so that he could come back. Yeah, he really wanted

863
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: to get out of Germany. Yeah, I can imagine. And

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00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: America said, no, we're not going to do that. We're

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Speaker 1: not going to pardon you. We're still mad at you.

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00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: Germany said we're mad at you too, and so he

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Speaker 1: just kind of faded out of the public spotlight. Yep.

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Speaker 1: He ended up dying in nineteen ninety two at the

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Speaker 1: age of eighty nine. And I didn't see any follow

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00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: up for Burger. For Burger, I think he wasn't quite

871
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: as vilified as Josh was, right for sure. But that

872
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: was not the last time the Germans sent saboteurs ashore.

873
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: There was at least one other ill fated attempt in

874
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: nineteen forty four, another German submarine. These are expensive boats, man, Yeah,

875
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: they are really taking a massive risk to drop off

876
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: a couple of saboteurs. But they did it again off

877
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: of Maine, YEP in a snowstorm, and two former American

878
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: residents German Americans were sent off under the main coast

879
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: in a snowstorm. They were seen by a local boy

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00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: scout using a compass during the snowstorm on the side

881
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: of the road, and the boy scout was suspicious, so

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00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: he traced their tracks all the way back to the

883
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: shoreline when they come out of nowhere, and he's like,

884
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to call the police. So they scouts actually

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00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: call these guys. Yeah, that's pretty cool. What's ironic is

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00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: one of these German American saboteurs was a boy scout himself,

887
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 1: so it was like boy scout on boy scout tattling

888
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: wow um, and they got picked up immediately, and as

889
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: far as everybody knows, that's the last time Germany ever

890
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: tried that. Yeah. I think the idea was that Hitler Um.

891
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: It was like this, this is embarrassing. Yeah, let's just

892
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: focus on the rocket program. Yeah, we can't keep sending

893
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: guys to the United States who immediately get there and

894
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: start doing stupid things, right, giving themselves up, Yeah, going

895
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Speaker 1: to see mom and dad, seeing him movies, Yeah, Yeah,

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00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: playing p knuckle. So that's it. That's the story of

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00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: the time the Nazis invaded Florida and New York and Maine.

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Speaker 1: If you want to know more about that, check out

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Speaker 1: history Net, check out damn Interesting, check out all sorts

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Speaker 1: of stuff. Yes, just search it. You'll find all sorts

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Speaker 1: of cool things on it. I would not look for

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Speaker 1: the movie coming soon to a theater near you. No,

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Speaker 1: the third act non existent? No, not really, No, it's

904
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: just kind of a letdown. Yeah that an end with

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Speaker 1: a bang. No ends with Germany being mad at them

906
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: in America too. Let's see. I think I said Germany's mad.

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Speaker 1: It just means it's time for listener mail. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: call this a cute our cutest youngest fan and it

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Speaker 1: includes an audio clip. Yeah, hey guys, did you hear this? Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty great. Yea. My son, Archer is two and

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Speaker 1: a half years old, just two and a half. We

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00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: listen to podcasts together while I rock him to sleep

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Speaker 1: at naptime and bedtime. Anytime he's tired, he says, Mommy,

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Speaker 1: let's go Archer's room and listen to podcast. I usually

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Speaker 1: rotate between Stuff you Should Know and other house stuff

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Speaker 1: works a podcast. He's never seemed to have a prefer

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Speaker 1: until about two weeks ago when I put another podcast on.

918
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Speaker 1: He said, no, Mommy, not that podcast, just stuff you know,

919
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Speaker 1: the red one. You guys are his favorite, which is

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Speaker 1: fine with me, and I have even attached the voice

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Speaker 1: recording of him requesting your podcast. It was not rehearsed,

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Speaker 1: find you, It's just me asking him before his nap

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Speaker 1: time today. That is from Shauna, and Shauna gave us

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Speaker 1: permission to hear from Archer. So let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: play that clip right now. Okay, are you ready to

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Speaker 1: take a nap? Yeah? I want? Do you want to

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Speaker 1: listen to a podcast? Law? Okay? Which podcast? Stuff? Yeah? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Ah wow, pretty cute, holy cow kid knows his stuff unbelievable,

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Speaker 1: So Archer, if you can understand what's going on here

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Speaker 1: about the sound coming out of the speakers. We know

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Speaker 1: you don't have four memories, but hopefully this EPISOD so

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Speaker 1: we'll be a documentation with it. That's right, Archer, So

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Speaker 1: good luck in life. You are off to a great start.

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Speaker 1: And now I'll take your nap a little buddy. Nice. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you want to share with us how your cute

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