WEBVTT - She's the Man with Samee Junio 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:03.800 On the Beckel Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:07.840 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:12.959 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.800 changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello, and welcome to 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.040 the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante. My name 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:21.880 is Jamie Loftus. I'm sick today. You're sick. Everyone should 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:25.439 feel so bad for me. I feel so bad wondering 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:27.320 the streets, just getting passed by to be like, are 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:32.199 you sick? I'm so sorry. So we are the Bechtel Cast. 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:37.080 We talk about the portrayal of women in movies. We 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.520 use the Bechtel test as a test that just initiates 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.879 a larger conversation for us, a larger conversation about the 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:48.800 representation of women in cinema. The Bechtel test is a 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.960 test that requires that two female identifying characters in a 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:57.639 movie have names, they speak to each other, and their 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:01.760 conversation is not about a man. Yes, Hey, let's demo it. 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.040 Let's Caitlyn. Hey, Jamie, have you ever tried pedal light? 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:10.680 I don't think that I have. I've had two jugs. 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.119 They only sell them in jug form. For some reason. 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:15.600 We've had two jugs of po Light in the past 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:20.160 twenty four hours, and I started very anti pedia Light, 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.759 But like in movies, the PDA light wore me down 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.760 and I'm fully in love with Polite. It's my beverage 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:31.039 of choice, replacing Mike's hard lemonade. Even Okay, now it 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:33.960 doesn't pass anymore because you brought Mike into the conversation. 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:39.160 Unbelievable might be. Yeah, I think that pel It's my 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.160 new chaser. Okay, good, Yeah, just take a swig of 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.600 vodka and a swing of Pedi Light. You're basically sober now. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.160 Ped Light is like a children's beverage, yes, but you 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.000 also drink it when you're sick. It's supposed to keep 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:54.240 you hydrated and and safe. You know what other occasion 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.720 you might need to be hydrated, like playing soccer. See 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.160 where this is going. For example, you did that this morning. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.360 I did that this morning. It was fun my team 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:10.560 one really yeah, sorry, that was that's exciting, thank you? Yeah. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:15.320 And also soccer related is the movie we're talking about today, Well, 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:19.000 you're talking about She's the Man. This is like our 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:23.680 second soccer movie and our second Shakespeare adaptation we've discussed recently. Yes, indeed, 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:29.120 observation campaigned second movie recently, also by the screenwriting duo 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:34.600 of Karen McCullough and Kirsten Smith. Oh I didn't know that. Yes, wow, oh, yes, 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:38.400 they're you know they're the Shakespeare gals? Right? Is that 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:42.040 what their podcast is called? Just kidding? So to join 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.240 us in our discussion about the movie, our guest today 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.640 is the producer of Historical Roast and Fictional Roast, the 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:54.720 producer of many podcasts including Forever thirty five and Mother 0:02:54.840 --> 0:03:00.200 May I Sleep With Sammy Junia. Hello, it's me, my 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:09.120 dear friends, man, it's me reboot Sammy one. Have you 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:13.919 tried the Electrolyte. They've rebranded Polite to be electro l 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.120 y t, Electrolyte or Electrolyte, and they sell it at 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:22.119 seven elevens and I've consumed crates of it. It's great. Well, yeah, 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:23.600 so you don't have to buy a jug. You can 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.640 just buy it. I was feeling the stigma of the 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.440 plighted jug because that's just like carrying it outside and 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:33.040 Saturday night and everyone's like, she's very sick because she's demented. 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:37.480 If I'm gonna buy it. Everyge hydrated, be careful, she's 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:44.240 demented and very hydrated. So Sammy, tell us about your relationship, 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:48.040 your history with She's the Man. Well, I've seen it 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:53.240 maybe thirteen times in the past day. I was like 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:57.680 once every two hours watching it right now, it's in 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:01.200 Google glass. I watched a lot when I was younger, 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.600 and I just I think this movie is so so 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:09.720 flawless and perfect and wonderful and magical. And that's a 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.080 that's a relationship. I'm married to the movie. Okay, great, 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:17.480 I can't twelve years strong unbe inspiring. Yeah, truly, congratulations. 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:22.480 I'm also cosplaying you are as an Illyrian. Yes you are. 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:24.800 We will take a photograph. We will post it on 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:30.039 our Instagram. Sammy is dressed as Sebastian and She's the Man. 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.679 You're looking very dapper. Thank you, Jamie. What's your history 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.479 with She's the Man? It's this morning? Yep, yep. Thoughts 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:43.160 loved it? Yeahs yes, it's so fun. And because it was, 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.000 this was like one of the many, like the decade 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.240 preceding this, and I think that they sort of like 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.440 peter out after this. But this was one of many 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.400 Shakespeare adaptations coming out in the late nineties into the 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:57.200 two thousands for teenagers, it was like this bizarre movie 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.400 fat and this was kind of the last and the 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:03.160 best that I've seen of all of them. Where were 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.880 the other ones? I've got? I've got a hot list 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.560 ten things I hate about you in episode the True 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:15.800 Romeo plus Juliet that bas that bazaster as I like 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:22.159 to call the disaster piece called klet is horrified with 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:28.120 the disastrous piece. There's others. I have a power list somewhere. 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.840 I'll find it. God, what's happening? I just turned into 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.159 who's the Who's the nerdy girl in this movie? I 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:36.520 just sound like her? Oh? Unice, Oh, I can't wait 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:40.840 to talk about Unice. Um. I saw this movie I 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:42.920 think when it first came out in two thousands six, 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.279 and I really enjoyed it. But for some reason, it 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.520 was not a DVD that I ever added to my collection, 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.159 so I didn't watch it throughout the years, which was 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:56.440 a mistake, because I have seen this movie maybe four 0:05:56.600 --> 0:06:00.960 to five times in the past, like five days. Addicted, yeah, 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:05.280 and obsessed. Now I'm surprised because you are you. You 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:09.240 are such a soccer head. That right, thank you? That 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:17.360 is stripper name soccer Head coming to the stage soccer Head. Yeah, 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.679 I don't know why I didn't latch onto it more. 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.000 And this movie is certainly not without its flaws. There 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:31.400 is a whole lot to discuss. Also, motocrossed Twelve Night adaptation. 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.640 They all end up having the same stupid like boy hair, 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:39.560 though just like a really weird like flat mop did. Admittedly, 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.840 there's also an adaptation of Twelfth Night called just one 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.039 of the Guys from five and a gender swept one 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:53.080 called Ladybugs. Oh I didn't realize that was what that was. Yeah, 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.600 look at that? Is that another soccer movie? No, Mio 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:03.280 and Juliet locks, that's just another movie that's not Shakespeare. Well. 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:08.600 One of the fun things about Twelfth Night. In shakespeare days, uh, 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.960 women weren't allowed to perform as actors on stage, So 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.880 in this still are right, right, I mean, are allowed 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:21.400 to do anything. So the actor who played Viola in 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.400 Shakespearean times would have had to have been a man 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:28.200 playing the role of a woman who then pretends to 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.400 be a man. So it's like gender swapping and then 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.520 gender swapping back, like to see what that actor thought 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.320 that looks like? Right? Yeah? Well and then and there 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.600 are a few we don't need to talk about Shakespeare, 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.360 not much. But like, this is like such a good 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:46.400 adaptation of a Shakespeare play because first of all, you 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:51.119 can't necessarily tell that's a Shakespeare adaptation. The names aren't 0:07:51.160 --> 0:08:00.600 goofy except for Melvolio, the snake, feminist icon. It's just 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.720 like all the like stuff that sounds really Shakespeare was 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.800 taken out. Like originally Viola thought that her brother died 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:11.360 at sea, which would have been an interesting thing to 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.200 introduce it to this, but I'm glad that they're just like, Oh, 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.200 he's in London with his freaking shoegaze band. Have either 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.760 of you read the play? Oh no, I can't read 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.520 Oh sure, sure, sure, sure I have read it. Okay, 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:26.200 I haven't read it. Um but again I WICKI pediod 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:32.920 I know, so again I'm a scholar. But it seems 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.240 as though the story in Twelfth Night is much more 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.800 romance oriented, and there's no attempt to like dismantle any 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.240 sort of like gender norms or anything like that of soccer, 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.880 No soccer at all. It's I think File is just 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:53.680 trying to literally get a job, which is kind of upsetting. Wow. Yeah, well, 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.320 shall I do the recap of the movie. Let's do 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:00.480 it all right? This is another this is a complicated one. Okay. 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:07.280 So Viola played by Amanda Bindes, No, no, noa. I 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.360 know the beginning song. I know all of the songs. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:14.760 I sorry, Sammy, this is a no shame zone. You're right, yeah, 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.320 please When the moment where Sam's a sharty little secret 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:21.840 starts playing, I haven't encouraged due to just releasing the 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.160 whole song. Guy's noticed that there are two all American 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:29.840 reject songs in even it's basically an Apper crownbeat it is. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:33.280 I bet they smell like that. You know that. The 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:37.880 set of She's the Man reeked of Hollist. Frances absolutely 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.120 I used to work at a Hollister. Anyway, it was 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.160 the worst month of my life. Okay. Viola is played 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:47.400 by Amanda Bindes and she loves soccer. Her boyfriend Justin 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.600 tells her, oh my gosh, you're like better than half 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.360 the guys on my team. But then her school cuts 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:58.360 the women's soccer team due to lack of interest. Right, so, 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.439 when Viola one to try out for the men's team, 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.840 her boyfriend, who had just told her, yeah, you're really 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.880 good at soccer. Is like, you're a girl and you're 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.320 not good enough. So she breaks up with him toxic. 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:23.280 Now she's got something to prove. Dar Let me. Now 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.360 when Viola's twin brother, Sebastian, who I thought for a 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.160 second was Drake Bell and that would have been perfect casting. Also, 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.520 I was telling Kitlin the other day that I discovered 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.280 that Jesse McCartney was supposed to be that guy. Jesse 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:40.680 would have also been both have those soft, soft childlike features. 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.720 Were you all into Dreams Street? No, I don't know 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.880 what that is. It was Jesse McCartney's boy band, so 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:48.760 I didn't know he was in a boymand. I thought 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:50.720 he was so low. Oh my gosh. You have to 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:55.800 listen to Dreams Baby, because baby down on Dreams Street 0:10:55.920 --> 0:11:01.280 and it's like Jesse McCartney as a boy soprato. It's unbelievable, incredible. Yeah. Well, anyways, 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:08.000 so Viola's twin brother, Sebastian, decides to go to London 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.920 for a couple of weeks instead of going to school 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.920 at a private school called Allyria, which is nearby to Cornwall, 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:18.000 where Viola goes to school, which is a fun Shakespearean 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:21.200 reference for all you shakespeare heads out there. So then 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.960 Viola decides to pretend to be her brother so that 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.679 she can play soccer on the boys team at Illia 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.199 and beat her ex boyfriend Justin, who had told her 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.200 that she was a girl. So she's not good enough 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.440 in the rival game that they have coming up in 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:42.480 two weeks or twelve days, twelve nights really quick. Yeah, 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:47.280 why does no one at Viola's school notice that she's gone? 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.480 Good question, Jamie. The movie does not address that, and 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:56.120 it is a plot hole, but I think the divorce parents. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.640 But I was like Viola straight up, there's another world 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:04.280 where they is like gone girl, because if a white 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.360 girl does not show up for her first day of 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:12.560 junior year, it's gone girls, right or a recent release Searching, 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.600 which I did see in theaters the other day, brag, 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:21.959 I enjoyed it you anyway. So Viola as Sebastian meets 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:27.040 her roommate Duke played by Channing Tatum, and I'm brilliant. 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:33.240 Oh this would be so funny. Um Duke and everyone 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:37.840 else basically thinks that Sebastian is lame. Viola as Sebastian, 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.800 I think, for the sake of clarity, and ease of talking. 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:46.200 When I say Sebastian, what I mean is Viola pretending 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.480 to be Sebastian. And then when I say the real Sebastian, 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.720 that's that's the right. So so Sebastian tries out for 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.640 the soccer team, the men's soccer team, and makes second string, 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.679 second string. This is all, this is all I'm doing 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.200 during just recap. I'm so sorry. I'm not sorry. Don't 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:09.760 become to hi. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:16.040 welcome to Alliria. So thank you. So then in order 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:22.400 for Sebastian to seem cooler, he uses her. She uses Violet. 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:27.319 It's this confusing. Viola uses her friends Kia and Yvonne 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.920 to pretend to throw themselves at Sebastian, and then it works, 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.520 And now Duke and all of his friends were like, wow, Sebastian, 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.120 she's the man. That's the name of the movie. Yeah, 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.120 they all say that in Unison and we're like, what 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:46.000 it's like forty five minutes in. So meanwhile, Duke likes 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:53.640 their classmate Olivia and Dreamy asks Sebastian for help to 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.600 try to get with her, and then in exchange, Duke 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.520 will be like, I'll help you improve your soccer game, Sebastian, 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.720 so that you can first string. So then Olivia starts 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:06.200 to like Sebastians. Now we've got this whole love triangle 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.760 like Sebastian pretty much the second she meets right right 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.000 right those dropped books in the hall and she gives 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:17.080 him a look, oh my god, twitter painted I wanted 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.280 them to kiss, So that that is my That is 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:24.800 my biggest beef is that they don't kiss. And then 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:29.000 we don't see the repercussion of Olivia recognizing that she 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.800 had a crush on a girl playing a boy, like, 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.520 well what about that, Olivia? Yeah, what what does that mean? 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:37.600 I feel like Olivia is ultimately kind of short change 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.800 because she's like, I just love whoever was named Sebastian. 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:46.160 Like that seems a little reductive and confusing. Yeah, So 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:51.880 then Sebastian a K. Viola starts to like Duke and 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:56.960 Viola as Viola I mean, and Duke is Likerea me, yes, 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:00.080 Channing Tatum normally not my type, but he's all so 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:04.040 like a comedic genius. He's so funny. He's so funny. 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.280 Every time I talk about Janning dadem I turned into 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:10.080 a woman I hate, Like he's just so he's like 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:14.240 you wouldn't think, but like he's so funny. It's true, 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:19.000 I know. Anyways, So then Viola as Viola and Duke 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.640 kiss at a kissing booth at a carnival, which is 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.640 a fundraiser for Debutante Ball, which is a whole subplot 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.360 that we'll talk about later on. Yeah, the kissing booth, 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.800 tenuous loved every second, right, kissing booths? Are they even 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.400 legal nowadays? Like at all? Ever? Yeah, there's I don't 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.120 think they exist anymore. And I feel like it's like 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.680 a real big stretch presents like oh, this is a 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:45.760 fun game of carnival assault, Like what the fuck is this? 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.160 And also the fact that like Viola's mom was like, yeah, 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.160 this rules, Like I don't know if I believe that. 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:57.840 So now Viola likes Duke, and Duke kind of likes Viola, 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:01.520 but he still has feelings for Olivia, so he's confused. 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:06.360 Kiss her will crap out of her. Thank you for 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.720 your contributions. Hey, you're welcome. You can't cut me out 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:16.440 of this one, baby, So Olivia to make Sebastian jealous 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.280 starts to pay attention to Duke, and then there's this 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:24.560 whole thing where she marches up and kisses the real 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:28.040 Sebastian who comes back from London a day early, and 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.840 then he plays in the first half of the big 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:35.480 rival soccer game as Monique is there the whole right, 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:42.680 there's a Monique situation. Viola as Sebastian is like, hey, brother, 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.360 I've been impersonating you. Sorry, but I'm going to play 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.200 the rest of the soccer game. And Duke is mad 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:53.200 at Sebastian because he thinks that he betrayed him by 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:58.000 kissing Olivia, and then Sebastian is a fucking idiot from 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:04.080 being like the soccer team like what sir, Like you 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:08.399 just have to suspend your disbelief. So then in the 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.200 middle of the game, the real Sebastian shows is drunk. 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.879 Viola as Sebastians like, actually, I'm a girl, and Duke, 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:20.240 I love you, and he's like, what's happening, okay, and 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:24.880 the whole click con is revealed. Duke's like, this is weird. 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.640 I feel weird about this. So the jig is up, 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:31.480 but there's still the Debutan ball, so Viola is like, hey, 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.080 would you want to come to the ball with me, 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.320 And he's like, oh no, but then he goes and 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:43.239 then I kiss this slurp. Can I just like, for 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:47.639 your consideration, the day of the big game, let's just 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:52.960 walk through Sebastian's day. The night before, he walks into 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.760 a room he's never been, finds out all of his 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.800 stuff is already there and appears lived in. He's fine 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.360 with it. He's like, well, I'm tired, So he says, like, 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.800 you set up on the stuff for me. Cool, So 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:09.120 he addresses it, but it's like it is like what weird? Fuck? Okay, 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:13.119 he goes wakes up a whole soccer teams like the 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.400 game is happening, and he's like, okay, maybe I'll see 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.520 the girl who kissed me at this soccer game. Why 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.360 would that be true? We don't know, because she says 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:23.160 he at the game marrow. She also, surprised kisses him, 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.320 which we can mention. But but he goes to the 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.080 game except that he is one of the best players 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.919 on the team, and then in the middle of the 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.439 game someone challenges his gender and he's like, you know what, 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.600 I know. This day has been all over the place 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:39.560 so far, but I'm just gonna go ahead and drop 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:41.679 my pants in front of a stadium full of people 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:45.440 because David Cross, I'm not sure what's going on, like 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:52.159 absolutely insane. Anyways, that's excellent point, Jamie. But if you 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.920 had that kind of day, wouldn't you roll with it? 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:57.440 I mean, by the time he's asked to drop his pants, 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.600 I'm like, you know what, at this point, this day 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:04.439 has already been confusing, right, And on that note, we're 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:06.520 gonna take a quick break and we'll talk to you 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:15.919 in a second and we're back, all right. So for 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.440 this movie, you can kind of just like boil down 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:24.240 the story of in order to prove that a woman 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:30.919 is as capable and is equal to men, she disguises 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:34.919 herself as a man to prove a point. If you 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:39.640 can't join them, baby, I love it. So it gives 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:41.720 us a lot to talk about. So on one hand, 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.160 there's like in the very beginning of the movie there, 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:45.840 you know, they go to try to try out for 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.280 the boys soccer team, when the girls realize that they've 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.080 been cut, and the coach of the boys team is 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:55.479 all like, uh, actually, um, girls aren't as fast as boys, 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:59.320 or as strong or as athletic. H this is just science. 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.560 So and we in the audience were like, who wha 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:08.280 what excuse me? Pump those brakes and then justin the 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:12.879 boyfriend agrees with the coach and then he is immediately dumped. 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.600 So at least we get to see some like misogyny 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.840 and sexism being punished right away. And I think that 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:20.399 that is like a moment. I don't know, that was 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:22.760 a moment that I connected with quite a bit of 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:25.919 like dating someone in high school who would be like, 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.280 you're awesome, you're smart, you know, but only in one 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.200 on one situations, and then in front of guy friends 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:36.320 or friends in general, their attitude towards you shifts because 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:41.440 they're insecure. Right, We've got this like misogyny being punished, 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:46.760 and then we've got a headstrong woman seeking to dismantle 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.960 this idea that women aren't as good as men at 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:54.439 soccer specifically, and then she goes undercover, she puts on 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:59.800 the disguise. There's a whole makeover mont but but unlike 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:03.280 see in most movies where if it's a woman getting 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.639 a makeover, it's like, oh, you weren't as physically attractive 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:09.879 as you needed to be, so let's make you hotter. 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:14.760 The utility of this makeover montage is very different, yes, 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:19.359 because the mission right, it is mostly just her trying 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:24.720 on mustaches, which she never ends up bummer. I feel 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:28.960 like Sebastia Violas Sebastian would kill with a mustache. Well, 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.679 push broom on top of there, boom could do anything. 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:34.199 There was like a there was a I forget what 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:38.439 cartoon villain. She had a few cartoon villain mustaches, like 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:42.160 the long Droopers, the whiskers. Yeah, any ways, they threw 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:47.119 in Jesus in there too. They did beautiful. That was 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.280 a fun because I wrote I was in the middle 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:51.640 of writing down month and then I was like, oh, 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:57.720 but wait, it's good. Yeah. So she's the man kind 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:01.520 of puts this, like, I suppose so feminist spin on 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:07.000 the narrative that like Twelfth Night doesn't have, where it's like, yeah, 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:10.760 she's she's showing that she's just as capable as men 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:14.240 and that she's equal to men. But I would argue 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:19.000 that there are several instances where different characters Viola As 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:26.440 Sebastian included, participate in either sexist or homophobic behavior that 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:31.960 often goes completely unchallenged. So for example, there are several 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:36.959 moments when boys behave badly and Viola doesn't do anything 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:40.760 to challenge it. Viola as Sebastian Um. For example, there's 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:43.720 a scene where Violet as Sebastian first goes into her 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:47.080 dorm room. There's like all the soccer player guys there, 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:50.200 and they see tampons and they're like very grossed out 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:53.480 by it. Later on, like Duke can't even say the 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:57.760 word tampon, and but he does use one. He doesn't 0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:01.000 feel like kind of commented on a a little bit there, 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:04.920 But I do agree where there are like oftentimes the 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:09.600 hurdles Viola has to get through are rooted in or 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.680 she'll get out of by behaving in a misogynist way. 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:16.520 And then they're so like overcome by like misogyny is 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:20.119 so fucking cool that they forget what the thing they 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:23.920 were about to be critical of was. But well, yeah, 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:28.119 I'm I don't know, so it worked for me several times. Yeah, 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:32.760 And in at least whenever she participates in the misogyny, 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:38.080 it's because she's trying to maintain this disguise, because there 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:41.640 are several times where she's like feelings and you know, sensitivity, 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:43.520 you're not going to say a nice thing, and they're like, oh, 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:46.040 what are you talking about? She's like, Oh, I mean, 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:50.280 which one would you rather see naked? So but then 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:55.840 in that same scene, Duke counters that by challenging that idea, 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:59.320 which is something that I really liked about Duke's character. 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:02.320 And they're our flaws in every character, and there are 0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:06.439 moments that feel off with pretty much everyone at some 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:10.080 point for me anyways, But that scene I really liked 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:13.160 because Viola was kind of falling on the crutch of like, 0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:16.440 let me behave or say something misogynists and that will 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:20.000 distract from what I was just doing. And then that's 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:22.359 one of the few times that it doesn't actually work, 0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:27.120 and we find out that Duke is a sensitive man 0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:32.520 feminist icon well, yeah, who's who? I feminist? He and 0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:36.840 so handsome and sorry, my face is like leaking up 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:39.320 a storm and I'm like no, but turning Tatum is great. 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:43.359 But that scene I thought was really effective where Viola 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:45.760 falls on the crutch and and and then Duke counters 0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:48.800 by saying like, well, that's not all relationship is for me, 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:50.440 as I want to be able to talk with and 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:54.560 then he literally says to her to Sebastian, why do 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:56.399 you always say stuff like that? Like why do you 0:24:56.480 --> 0:24:59.000 why do you always talk about women that way? And 0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.560 it's like, oh, And That's one of the things I 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:04.280 like about Duke's character in this movie a lot, is 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:07.840 that the setup of almost every high school movie is 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:11.280 that someone needs to be someone needs to change someone 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:14.840 else in order for relationship to happen. And it's not 0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:16.880 like I think it would be very easy for this 0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:21.199 movie to be like emotional labor thrust up on Viola. Uh, 0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:26.280 some have emotional labor thrust upon them. Uh? Is that 0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:29.320 you know, Viola would have to cure Duke of his 0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:33.320 own internalized misogyny, but that doesn't really happen where it 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:39.119 comes out in private moments usually, But Duke already is 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:43.160 pretty respectful towards towards women and doesn't need to be 0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:46.959 like changed in that way. There's another there's a similar 0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:51.840 moment earlier on where they're at the cafeteria and Viola 0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:55.159 at Sebastian is again attempting to fit in with the 0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:59.920 guys by like that we're seeing he sees Olivia or she. 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:04.800 I don't know what pronouns to use. This pronoun expert 0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:08.399