WEBVTT - Trial By Combat

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Noble Blood, a production of I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minky. Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 1>It was six just a few days after Christmas, and

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<v Speaker 1>the ground at the dueling field set up behind the

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<v Speaker 1>Abbey de Saumarine de Champ's, was hard with frost. Thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of people had poured in from Paris for the spectacle.

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<v Speaker 1>They had been there since dawn, rubbing their hands together

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<v Speaker 1>for warmth, watching the rising sun, waiting for the moment

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<v Speaker 1>the event would begin. Stands were erected on either side

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<v Speaker 1>of the field, massive constructions with wooden rails and staircases.

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<v Speaker 1>One stand was for foreign nobles visiting France. They were

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<v Speaker 1>of course seated according to rank. A second stand was

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<v Speaker 1>for members of the French court. The third set of stands,

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<v Speaker 1>the most central, was reserved for the King himself, the

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<v Speaker 1>young Charles the sixth, and his highest ranking nobility. He

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<v Speaker 1>had insisted that the duel be delayed until his return

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<v Speaker 1>from Flanders so he could witness it. Beneath the stands

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<v Speaker 1>for the nobility were benches for merchants and commoners, although

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<v Speaker 1>most of them were forced to stand at ground level,

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<v Speaker 1>face to face with the wooden wall that had been

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<v Speaker 1>built around the dueling arena. They tried to find a

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<v Speaker 1>spot where they could see through the planks of wood.

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<v Speaker 1>The dueling grounds, in a suburb of Paris, were originally

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<v Speaker 1>designed for jousting. They were specially converted for this singular,

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<v Speaker 1>rare event, a judicial duel. Two men had gone to court,

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<v Speaker 1>and the court had been unable to deliver a verdict,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the men were permitted to leave justice in

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<v Speaker 1>the hands of God. It would be a fight to

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<v Speaker 1>the death, and God's favor towards the surviving party would

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<v Speaker 1>reveal who was innocent and who was guilty. The two

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<v Speaker 1>men had originally been friends. One had served as the

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<v Speaker 1>godfather to the other's first son, but years of bitter

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<v Speaker 1>jealousy had ruined their friendship, and then the accusation of

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<v Speaker 1>a final, terrible crime would lead them here. Dressed in

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<v Speaker 1>full armor, bearing lances, axes, swords and daggers, ready to

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<v Speaker 1>kill and ready to die, the men took their oaths

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<v Speaker 1>on chairs, facing one another. The crowd remained silent. Interruptions

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<v Speaker 1>to the duel of any kind, exclamations, shouts, even involuntary

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<v Speaker 1>gasps or coughs were forbidden. On pain of losing a hand.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a spectacle, yes, but it was also a

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<v Speaker 1>legal proceeding. It was God's will speaking through swords. The

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<v Speaker 1>men agreed to the terms and gave their final silent

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<v Speaker 1>prayers and mounted their horses. A page shouted for them

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<v Speaker 1>to ride, and the duel began. I'm Danis Schwartz, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is noble blood. A quick note before this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>begins in earnest. This story includes references to alleged sexual assault.

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<v Speaker 1>Just heads up for any listeners who might be particularly

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<v Speaker 1>sensitive to that content. The France of the hundreds wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the same as the France we have today. It was

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<v Speaker 1>about a third of its modern size, and less a

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<v Speaker 1>united country than a loosely connected group of individual fiefdoms

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<v Speaker 1>which were ruled over by minor lords. The minor lords

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<v Speaker 1>were then in turn ruled over by overlords. The former

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<v Speaker 1>were knights and squires. Overlords with larger land holdings would

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<v Speaker 1>be counts or dukes, often members of the royal family.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those duchies was Normandy, ruled over by the

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<v Speaker 1>Duke of Normandy. You might vaguely remember from a history

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<v Speaker 1>class at some point, but in ten sixty six, Duke

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<v Speaker 1>William of Normandy crossed the English Channel and defeated King

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<v Speaker 1>Harold in the Battle of Hastings. He's now more commonly

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<v Speaker 1>referred to as William the conqueror, sometimes thought of as

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<v Speaker 1>the first King of England. But what people sometimes overlook

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<v Speaker 1>is the fact that William, now a monarch rivaling the

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<v Speaker 1>King of France, still kept Normandy. For a century and

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<v Speaker 1>a half, Normandy was in possession of the English crown.

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<v Speaker 1>France was eventually able to win it back, but the

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<v Speaker 1>land remained contentious, and when England crossed the channel to

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<v Speaker 1>reclaim it again, some nobles Normandy sided with the English.

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<v Speaker 1>But one incredibly old family that was always loyal to

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<v Speaker 1>the French crown was the Carouge family, As his father's

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<v Speaker 1>oldest son, Jean Carouge the fourth, was well placed to

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<v Speaker 1>live a respectable life among the courts of France. His father,

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<v Speaker 1>Jean the third, was the French equivalent of an English

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<v Speaker 1>Shire reeve or sheriff, and he was the captain of

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<v Speaker 1>the fort at Bilam. Their family line was long, but

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<v Speaker 1>it also carried with it a romantic and scandalous history.

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<v Speaker 1>Rumor had it that a distant ancestor, a man named

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<v Speaker 1>Count Ralph had fallen in love with a sorceress, meeting

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<v Speaker 1>her in the middle of the night at a pool

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods. His indiscretion was discovered by his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>and the next morning Ralph was found dead with his

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<v Speaker 1>throat cut. Somehow, the scorned wife was never actually accused

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<v Speaker 1>of the murder, but the very next day a mysterious

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<v Speaker 1>red mark appeared on her face. A few months after that,

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<v Speaker 1>she had a baby. When that baby, a son named Carl,

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<v Speaker 1>turned seven, the same red mark appeared on his face.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a mark that would carry down in the

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<v Speaker 1>family for seven generations. That first son was nicknamed Carl Larouge,

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<v Speaker 1>Carl the Rhett, Carl Larouge, or Carouge, but that story

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<v Speaker 1>was more a myth than anything. It didn't affect the

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<v Speaker 1>family's respectability, and certainly no one considered it a portent

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<v Speaker 1>of violence to come. The Carouge family had several fiefs

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<v Speaker 1>that they controlled, and in turn they answered to the

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<v Speaker 1>local Count of Perish. At the time Jean Carrouge the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth took his oath of loyalty, the count was a

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<v Speaker 1>man named Robert. The young Jean swore to be loyal

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<v Speaker 1>to him and as was traditional, he kissed the nobleman

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<v Speaker 1>on the lips. But Count Robert died without any heirs,

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<v Speaker 1>and so in thirteen seventy seven parish was inherited by

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<v Speaker 1>his older brother, Pierre de Lanson. Pierre was himself his

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<v Speaker 1>father's third son, and traditionally that would mean limited prospects,

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<v Speaker 1>but Pierre lucked out. His two older brothers had become

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<v Speaker 1>men of the cloth, rising to the esteemed rank of archbishops,

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<v Speaker 1>which was lovely for them but meant they couldn't inherit

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<v Speaker 1>land or titles, and then the death of Pierre's younger brother,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert meant that Pierre inherited all of his lands as well.

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<v Speaker 1>The new count came down to Parchet and established his

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<v Speaker 1>court at Argenta, where Jean Carrouge dutifully joined him. Jean

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<v Speaker 1>was given the mostly symbolic position of court chamberlain, a

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<v Speaker 1>respect of role, and he quickly made friends with another

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<v Speaker 1>of the new count's chamberlain's, a man named Jacques Lagree.

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<v Speaker 1>Lagree was from a slightly less esteemed family. His father

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<v Speaker 1>was a minor squire, but Lagree was well educated, which

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<v Speaker 1>was unusual and which even led to him taking minor

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<v Speaker 1>clerical orders. He was considered affable and usually noted as

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<v Speaker 1>being particularly strong and tall. He was also rumored to

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<v Speaker 1>be a slight womanizer. Him taking minor clerical orders didn't

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<v Speaker 1>forbid him from getting married and bearing at least a

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<v Speaker 1>few heirs. Jean likes Lagree well enough that after he

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<v Speaker 1>got married and had a son, he named Jacques Lagree

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<v Speaker 1>the baby's godfather, a majorly important role in the thirteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jean gar Rouge wasn't the only one charmed by Lagree.

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<v Speaker 1>Count Pierre almost immediately took a liking to him, honoring

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<v Speaker 1>him with court positions and gifts, spending time with him.

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<v Speaker 1>It was obvious to everyone in court that Lagree was

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<v Speaker 1>the Count's favorite and that he would quickly be advancing

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<v Speaker 1>in the political ranks beyond his title of chamberlain. Lagree

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<v Speaker 1>was granted the position of captain at the fourth of

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<v Speaker 1>m and the Count gave him an extravagant gift, an estate,

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<v Speaker 1>a very nice estate called annual Fouqon friendships sometimes fall apart.

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<v Speaker 1>The two men, Jean Carrouge and Jacques Lagree, we're about

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<v Speaker 1>the same age, and they have been more or less

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<v Speaker 1>social equals until they weren't they're slow drift away from

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<v Speaker 1>one another became even more pronounced. In thirteen eighty, when

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<v Speaker 1>Jean was dealing with personal tragedy. Both his wife and

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<v Speaker 1>his only child, the son that Lagres had once held

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<v Speaker 1>as godfather, died. Torn apart by grief and frustration and

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<v Speaker 1>at his middling position in Count Pierre's court, Jean Carouge

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<v Speaker 1>went off on a military campaign to try to bolster

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<v Speaker 1>his reputation. Over the five months that he was serving

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<v Speaker 1>under the king's command, John did manage to raise his

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<v Speaker 1>profile slightly, and he became known as a respectable soldier.

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<v Speaker 1>But also in the time of way, Jehan came to

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<v Speaker 1>understand the painful truth of the risk he was taking

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<v Speaker 1>out on the battlefield. He had no living heirs, and

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<v Speaker 1>if he died, the Carouge name would die with him,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the property, the reputation that his family had

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<v Speaker 1>built up for generations. It would disappear, inherited by someone else,

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<v Speaker 1>someone with a different family name and a different family line.

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<v Speaker 1>So when Jean Carouge returned home after half a year away,

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<v Speaker 1>it was with the determination that he would find a

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<v Speaker 1>bride as quickly as possible, and he did a young

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<v Speaker 1>woman named Marguerite de Thibe, likely still a teenager at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Marguerite was described by contemporary sources as being

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy and very beautiful. The latter was a perk. The

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<v Speaker 1>former was essential for Jean Carouge. Though he had a

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<v Speaker 1>good family name, he didn't quite have the wealth to

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<v Speaker 1>match Marguerite in that regard was a perfect fit for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Her family was rich, but their reputation was a little tarnished.

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<v Speaker 1>His father was a Norman who had sided with the

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<v Speaker 1>English in the fight against the French king. A marriage

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<v Speaker 1>with the karuga Is, an old and loyal family, would

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<v Speaker 1>help bolster Marguerite's family's reputation. Jacques Lagree wasn't present at

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<v Speaker 1>the wedding, nor at any of the celebratory festivities that followed,

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<v Speaker 1>but the relationship between Jean and Lagree would soon become

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<v Speaker 1>even more strained. In marrying Marguerite Thibeville, Jean Carouge was

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<v Speaker 1>especially hoping that her dowry would include her father's lovely

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<v Speaker 1>estate at Anneure Faucon. There was only one problem. Those

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<v Speaker 1>lands had been purchased by Count Pierre a few years

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<v Speaker 1>prior for eight thousand livres. Jean tried to wrestle the

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<v Speaker 1>lands back from Pierre, even going so far as to

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<v Speaker 1>take him to court. The issue became so heated that

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<v Speaker 1>eventually Pierre had to go to his cousin, the king,

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<v Speaker 1>to once and for all established the formal written royal

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<v Speaker 1>approval for the purchase of the lands. And here's the kicker.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps you remember, Count Pierre had already given the land

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<v Speaker 1>away as a gift to his favorite chamberlain, Jacques Lagree.

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<v Speaker 1>So the relationship between Jacques Lagree and Jean Carorouge at

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<v Speaker 1>this point was bitter, and from this point on, the

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<v Speaker 1>relationship between Jean and Count Pierre would be downright antagonistic.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the next three years, the two men would be

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<v Speaker 1>embroiled in legal battle after legal battle. After the death

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<v Speaker 1>of his father, Jean would sue the Count again because

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<v Speaker 1>Jean had been expecting to inherit his father's position as

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<v Speaker 1>captain of the castle at Bilm. After the death of

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<v Speaker 1>his father, Jean sued the Count again because Jean had

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<v Speaker 1>been expecting to inherit his father's position as captain of

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<v Speaker 1>the Fort of Biln. That was traditionally how things went

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, and for what it was worth Lagree

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<v Speaker 1>had already been made captain of a fort, but disliking

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<v Speaker 1>Jean Carrouge, the count passed him over, and the Count

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<v Speaker 1>would spite him yet again when he would deny Jean

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<v Speaker 1>permission to buy a few neighboring fiefs to expand his holdings.

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<v Speaker 1>All the while Jens resentment and jealousy towards Lagris simmered

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<v Speaker 1>a very slight that Count Pierre made toward him, Jean

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<v Speaker 1>imagined Lagres behind it, whispering in the Count's ear, influencing

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<v Speaker 1>him against him. But even pre enemies can sometimes find

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<v Speaker 1>ways to mend fences, and in thirteen eighty three, Jean

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<v Speaker 1>Carouge and Jacques Lagree found themselves at the same party

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<v Speaker 1>thrown by a squire named Jean Crispin. The two men

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<v Speaker 1>saw each other from across the room. They were both

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<v Speaker 1>wearing their family colors, Causian red with silver accents and

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<v Speaker 1>Lagree in silver with red. They shook hands and Jean

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<v Speaker 1>politely introduced Lagree to his wife, Marguerite, for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Lagree was charmed onlookers remarked how taken he had seemed

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<v Speaker 1>by Marguerite. The next year, Carouge went on another campaign

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<v Speaker 1>to bolster his reputation. Though that military expedition itself was

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<v Speaker 1>a failure, and Carouge lost five of his nine men

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<v Speaker 1>along with a good amount of his money, he still

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<v Speaker 1>came out fairly well in terms of his reputation. He

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<v Speaker 1>was even awarded a knighthood on the field of battle.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Jean was technically higher rank than Jacques Lagree, who

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<v Speaker 1>was still a squire, but John was also close to bankrupt,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the time he returned to Parchet he was

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<v Speaker 1>exhausted and resentful, especially once he became aware of how

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<v Speaker 1>much higher Laguis Starr had risen socially in the time

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<v Speaker 1>he was gone, and how much money Lagree had been

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<v Speaker 1>given by generous noblemen. Jean was barely home a fortnight

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<v Speaker 1>before he had to continue on to Paris in order

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<v Speaker 1>to collect his back wages. He left his wife, Marguerite,

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<v Speaker 1>staying with his own mother, her mother in law, Nicole.

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<v Speaker 1>It was during this brief trip that everything would change.

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<v Speaker 1>Jacques Lagree would allegedly commit the crime that would send

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<v Speaker 1>him and Jean Carrouge on the unstoppable path towards battle

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<v Speaker 1>to the death. Marguerite recounted the story later on January

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<v Speaker 1>eighty six, Jacques Lagree squire, a man named Adam Lovell,

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<v Speaker 1>knocked on the door. Typically, a servant would have answered

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<v Speaker 1>the door, but Marguerite's mother in law was attending to

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<v Speaker 1>business in the next town over, and she had taken

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<v Speaker 1>most of the servants with her, and so Margaret opened

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<v Speaker 1>the door herself to find Lovell, who bowed deeply and

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<v Speaker 1>informed her that Jacques Lagree had come to call on her.

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<v Speaker 1>Jacques knew that her husband was away, he loved her,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wanted to see her. Marguerite told the squire

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<v Speaker 1>that she had no interest in seeing Lagree, but Lagree

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<v Speaker 1>came forward anyway and forced himself through the door. He

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<v Speaker 1>offered Marguerite money in exchange for sex, which she refused,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Jacques Lagree raped Marguerite on her bed while

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<v Speaker 1>his squire helped hold her down. He told her that

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<v Speaker 1>he would kill her if she told anyone, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he left and closed the door behind him. Marguerite was silent,

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<v Speaker 1>drowning in the shame and terror, until her husband returned

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<v Speaker 1>a few days later. She barely looked at him throughout

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<v Speaker 1>dinner and couldn't offer more than a word. The rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the evening while they prepared for bed. Only after

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<v Speaker 1>everyone in the house was asleep that night did Marguerite

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<v Speaker 1>fling herself on to her knees at the side of

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<v Speaker 1>her husband's bed. Weeping, she told him everything that had happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Barely able to contain his rage, John summoned a group

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<v Speaker 1>of his friends courtiers, including his mother and Marguerite's family.

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<v Speaker 1>This was, after all, her virtue and their honor on

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<v Speaker 1>the line. Marguerite repeated her story exactly how it happened

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<v Speaker 1>to the assembled group. Should you have told me a falsehood,

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<v Speaker 1>Jan said to his wife, nevermore shall you live with me?

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<v Speaker 1>Marguerite shook her head. Everything she had said was true.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Jean said, stoically, the squire shall die. The brain

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<v Speaker 1>trust of friends and family that John had assembled filed

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<v Speaker 1>formal charges against Lagres at Count Pierre's court, but neither

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<v Speaker 1>Jean nor Marguerite went to the count in person. They

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<v Speaker 1>were well aware that there was no chance that Count

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<v Speaker 1>Pierre would ever rule against his favorite in favor of

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<v Speaker 1>a man he hated, and they were right. Count Pierre

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<v Speaker 1>dismissed the charges almost immediately, and so Jean Carrouge took

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<v Speaker 1>his grievance to the king. The King of France at

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<v Speaker 1>this time was a young Charles the six a man

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about in this podcast, particularly in the context

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<v Speaker 1>of the tragic Ball of the Burning Men, a party

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<v Speaker 1>during which several of his courtiers would burn to death

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<v Speaker 1>when their wild man costumes caught on fire. But that

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<v Speaker 1>tragedy would still be several years in the future at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, and it would be several more years after

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<v Speaker 1>that before Charles the sixth madness would emerge. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>he was just a young king willing to hear out

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<v Speaker 1>the accusations from one night against one squire. The case

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<v Speaker 1>met before Parliament on July nine, eighty six. Jacques Lagree,

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<v Speaker 1>denying everything, outraged at the very accusation, hired a man

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<v Speaker 1>widely considered to be the best lawyer of the time,

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<v Speaker 1>a man named Jean the Cook. The Cook's notes are

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<v Speaker 1>one of historian's main sources of details for the proceeding

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<v Speaker 1>of the trial. His notes also mentioned for the record

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<v Speaker 1>that even though he was defending Lagree, he had doubts

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<v Speaker 1>as to whether Lagres was actually as innocent as he claimed.

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<v Speaker 1>Lagreise family perhaps also doubt being his innocence. Tried to

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<v Speaker 1>get him to insist on being tried through the Church, which,

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<v Speaker 1>because he was a cleric in the Minor Orders, would

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<v Speaker 1>be his right. The Church probably would be more sympathetic

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<v Speaker 1>to him and it would remove the option of deadly

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<v Speaker 1>trial by combat, But Lagris refused. He was innocent, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wanted to challenge the accusations against him directly.

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<v Speaker 1>Before the men presented their cases, Jean Carrouge threw a

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<v Speaker 1>glove to the floor, literally throwing down a gauntlet, challenging

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<v Speaker 1>Lagree to a duel. Lagres picked it up, symbolically accepting.

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<v Speaker 1>The king ruled that a trial by combat would only

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<v Speaker 1>be permitted if the court could not come to a

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<v Speaker 1>definitive verdict. In the meantime, they heard the evidence. Adam

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<v Speaker 1>Lovell and all of Lagree's servants testified, all defending their

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<v Speaker 1>master against the accusations against him. When Jacques Lagree testified

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<v Speaker 1>himsel elf, he talked about how Jean had always been

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<v Speaker 1>jealous of him and how he was famous for having

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<v Speaker 1>a temper. He said that he believed Jehan had made

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<v Speaker 1>up this entire story, and threatened to beat his wife

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<v Speaker 1>if she didn't go along with it. Plus, it would

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<v Speaker 1>have been impossible for him to ride that far fifty

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<v Speaker 1>miles round trip in one evening in the snow, and besides,

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<v Speaker 1>he had an alibi. I'm cross examination those last points

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<v Speaker 1>hit a bit of a snag. Lagres admitted that a

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<v Speaker 1>man of his resources and riding ability would in fact

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<v Speaker 1>have been able to ride fifty miles round trip, even

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<v Speaker 1>in the snow. And slightly more damning, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>men who was supposed to corroborate his alibi couldn't make

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<v Speaker 1>it to court because he himself had been arrested in

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<v Speaker 1>Paris during the trial, arrested for rape. But the most

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<v Speaker 1>important testimony of all came from Marguerite herself. Mar Great

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<v Speaker 1>was visibly pregnant when she took the stand, although because

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<v Speaker 1>medical science at the time believed that a woman couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>conceive from rape, that wasn't considered a relevant piece of evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>But the very fact that Marguerite was telling the world

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<v Speaker 1>what had happened to her at all was considered powerful evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be scandalous and shameful to her family. Why

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<v Speaker 1>would a woman ever go through all of this if

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't true? The court deliberated, and they came to

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<v Speaker 1>their decision, or rather their nondecision, the case would be

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<v Speaker 1>left in the hands of God. Jean Carrouge and Jacques

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<v Speaker 1>Lagree would have a trial by combat, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just the men's lives at stake. If Lagree was victorious,

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<v Speaker 1>Marguerite would burn at the stake for perjury. The duel

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<v Speaker 1>was originally scheduled for November of that year, but King

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<v Speaker 1>Charles demanded that it be pushed back until December twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>when he would be back from a campaign in Flanders.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't want to miss what was quickly becoming the

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<v Speaker 1>most exciting event of the year. Between the time that

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<v Speaker 1>the trial happened and the duel would take place, both

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<v Speaker 1>Marguerite and King Charles his wife, the young Queen Isabeau,

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<v Speaker 1>gave birth to sons. Marguerite's son was healthy, but the

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<v Speaker 1>young Prince was ill, and he died just a day

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<v Speaker 1>before the duel was scheduled to take place. Rather than

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<v Speaker 1>shroud the palace in mourning, King Charles the six, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>already showing an early stage of madness, became frenzied. He

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<v Speaker 1>demanded an endless dream of parties and festivities that would

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<v Speaker 1>culminate in the massive event of the judicial duel. The

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<v Speaker 1>stands were teeming with people, noblemen, both French and from

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<v Speaker 1>around Europe. Separate stands were built for women with specially

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<v Speaker 1>made aisles to make it easier for ladies overcome from

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<v Speaker 1>the blood or violence to excuse themselves. On the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>peasants and merchants elbowed each other to try to get

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<v Speaker 1>better views. Marguerite wore black and she sat in the

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<v Speaker 1>carriage overlooking the field where the duel would be taking place.

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<v Speaker 1>Her husband approached her moments before he went to the field. Lady,

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<v Speaker 1>from your accusation and in your quarrel, I am thus

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<v Speaker 1>adventuring my life to combat Jacques Lagree. He said, you

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<v Speaker 1>know whether my cause be loyal and true. Marguerite, knowing

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<v Speaker 1>full well with this battle risked for both of them, replied,

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<v Speaker 1>my lord, it is so, and you may fight securely

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<v Speaker 1>for your cause is good. Both men that came onto

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<v Speaker 1>the dueling ground from opposite sides, wearing full metal armor,

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<v Speaker 1>each was armed with a lance, a long sword and

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<v Speaker 1>at and a dagger. They each also carried with them

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<v Speaker 1>a jug of wine, some bread coins to pay for

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<v Speaker 1>the use of the field. And a fodder for their

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<v Speaker 1>horse on the off chance at the battle would require

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<v Speaker 1>them to stop for the night and then start again

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<v Speaker 1>the next morning. Sitting on throne like chairs on raised platforms,

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<v Speaker 1>both men swore an oath in front of the silent crowd.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a legal proceeding. Anyone who disturbed the duel

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<v Speaker 1>by entering the field of battle would be put to death.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone who disturbed the proceeding by shouting or crying out

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<v Speaker 1>would risk losing a hand. So though the field was

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<v Speaker 1>teeming with spectators, it was an eerie and silent place.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon it would only be filled with the sound of horses,

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<v Speaker 1>hoofs and clashing metal. Both men prepared, adjusting their lances,

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<v Speaker 1>mounting their horses, and then a herald cried out, do

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<v Speaker 1>your duty, and the duel began. They charged at each other,

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<v Speaker 1>both with their lances drawn, and both broke their lances

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<v Speaker 1>on the other's shield. They continued to loop around on

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<v Speaker 1>their horses, this time swinging their battle axes at one another. Lagree,

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<v Speaker 1>the stronger man was able to get a killing blow

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<v Speaker 1>with his axe to the neck of Caruge's horse, but Cauge,

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<v Speaker 1>leaping safely from his dying mount, was able to kill

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<v Speaker 1>Agrees horse from the ground. Now the men were facing

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<v Speaker 1>off on foot with their long swords. Carug slipped and

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<v Speaker 1>fell to the ground, and Lagree approached and managed to

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<v Speaker 1>stab him in the thigh. But even bleeding and writhing

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<v Speaker 1>in pain, John was determined. Still on the ground, his

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<v Speaker 1>thigh in open wound, he grabbed Lagree by his armor

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<v Speaker 1>and pulled him off balance. Lagree fell onto his back,

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<v Speaker 1>his armor two v to allow him to rise again.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Jean Carrouge had the upper hand. He tried to

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<v Speaker 1>stab Lagree through his metal armor, but the plating was

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<v Speaker 1>too thick, and so Jean straddled his enemy and used

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<v Speaker 1>the handle of his small dagger to break the face

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<v Speaker 1>plate on the front of Lagrez's helmet. With his sharp

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<v Speaker 1>dagger inches from Lagree's eye, Jean Carorouge asked Lagree to

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<v Speaker 1>confess what he did in the name of God, and

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<v Speaker 1>on the peril and damnation of my soul, I am innocent,

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<v Speaker 1>Jacques Lagree responded. Jean Carrouge didn't need to hear anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>He stabbed Lagree in the neck and killed him. Stumbling,

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<v Speaker 1>he rose to his feet. Have I done my duty?

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<v Speaker 1>He asked? The court. Still shaking, he pulled off his

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<v Speaker 1>helmet and knelt before the king. For his victory, King

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<v Speaker 1>Charles gifted him a thousand livres and an annual income

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<v Speaker 1>of two dred livres a year. Still weary, woozy, and exhausted,

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:08.200
<v Speaker 1>caruge was cleaned up and he went to greet his wife. Together,

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<v Speaker 1>they rode in the carriage to Notre Dame in Paris,

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<v Speaker 1>where they knelt in prayer side by side to thank

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 1>God for their victory. Winning the judicial duel would make

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<v Speaker 1>Jean Carouge something of a national celebrity. He would receive

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<v Speaker 1>another six thousand livres in gold, and the king would

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<v Speaker 1>give him a prestigious position in the royal household as

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<v Speaker 1>a chevalier donner or a bodyguard for the king. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a raise both in income and in social standing.

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<v Speaker 1>If you happen to recall from the episode on Charles

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<v Speaker 1>the sixth and his madness, later in Charless life, he

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<v Speaker 1>would have an episode of madness in the woods, lashing

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<v Speaker 1>out at those around him. John would actually be one

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<v Speaker 1>of those men who at the time managed to subdue him.

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<v Speaker 1>Jehan would continue to try to get the estate a

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<v Speaker 1>new le foucant again and again the estate that he

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<v Speaker 1>had so desperately wanted for so long. But Count Pierre

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<v Speaker 1>would never yield, and he would never forgive Jean Carrouge

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<v Speaker 1>for killing his friend Jacques Lagree. As for Jacques, after

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<v Speaker 1>he died on the battlefield, his corpse was dragged to

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<v Speaker 1>the gallows. He already dead, was hanged. Hanging after all

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<v Speaker 1>was the sentence for rape, and by virtue of losing

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<v Speaker 1>the duel, Jacques Lagree had been found guilty. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>story of the bloody trial by combat between Jean Carrouge

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<v Speaker 1>and Jacques Lagree. But keep listening after a brief sponsor

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<v Speaker 1>break to hear a little bit more about how the

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<v Speaker 1>story has been told throughout history. And on a quick

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<v Speaker 1>personal note, I just want to thank everyone who's supported

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<v Speaker 1>the show and listened to it. I've had a wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>read them, and I'm looking forward to being able to

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, I really think it will interest you. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there are a few spots left on the

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<v Speaker 1>common grounds Pilgrimage that I'm leading this spring to London

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<v Speaker 1>and Sussex discussing Mary Shelley and Frankenstein. I am so excited.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an amazing company that I'm doing it with. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a few days of just reading and walking and talking

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<v Speaker 1>and writing. There's a link to sign up in the

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<v Speaker 1>episode bio. The duel between Jean Carrouge and Jacques Lagris

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<v Speaker 1>was infamous. In the generations to come, there would be

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<v Speaker 1>countless accounts of what had taken place, in addition to

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<v Speaker 1>countless scholars and legal minds who attempted to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>whether Jacques Lagar was actually guilty or whether he was

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<v Speaker 1>falsely accused. Two religious chronicles recount a story about Marguerite

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<v Speaker 1>on her deathbed confessing that the rape had actually been

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<v Speaker 1>at the hands of another man. But those stories are

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<v Speaker 1>just hearsay and conjecture, and there's no real evidence of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Even still, up until the nineteen seventies, the Encyclopedia Britannica

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<v Speaker 1>published those claims in their account of the trial, which

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<v Speaker 1>was described in their entry for the word duel. Even now,

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<v Speaker 1>certain aspects of the story as it's retold aren't exactly true.

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<v Speaker 1>Take the title of the brand new Ridley Scott film

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<v Speaker 1>about this event and the book it was based on,

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<v Speaker 1>the Last Duel. Though this was one of the last

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<v Speaker 1>major trials by combat, the actual last duel in France

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<v Speaker 1>would be two hundred years later in fifte Noble Blood

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<v Speaker 1>is a production of I Heart Radio and Grimm and

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<v Speaker 1>Mild from Aaron Minky. The show was written and hosted

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