1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: Hi, This is Chase Utley and this is the Phillies Show. Hi, everybody, 2 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: This is the Philly Show with Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, 3 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: Todd Zuleky. 4 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: Friday, July twelfth, twenty twenty four, the Phillies just swept 5 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Dodgers. It was billed as the clash 6 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: of two NL powerhouses. Phillies sweep them out. They now 7 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 2: have a night six and a half game lead over 8 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: them for the. 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: Best record in the National League. They have a nine 10 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: and a half game lead over the Braves and Allies. 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: A fun week at the ballpark, a lot of great moments, 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: a lot of great moments. We will get into that 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: in a little bit. But it wasn't the only you know, 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: the sweep yesterday was not the only big thing to 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: come out of Thursday. 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: Ruby and I read something yesterday that was shocking to me. 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: Wip yesterday you said, and you were GM You actually 18 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: called in and faked your voice and called in and 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: talked to Phillies. Is it is this a radio Was 20 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: that a radio bit? 21 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: Or is that that was real? You did really do this? 22 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 3: I really did do it. I really did do it. Yeah, 23 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 3: it's kind of crazy. 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 4: So I think it was either the twenty twelve or thirteen, 25 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 4: or maybe even fourteen. 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 5: I'm not sure which which one it was. 27 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 4: And I can't even remember what name I used, but 28 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 4: I definitely use something like Frankie. 29 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 5: From South Philly or something else. 30 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 3: Of course, I was like I called it and go. 31 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 5: Yo, yo, this is Frankie from the South Philly. 32 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 6: Yo. 33 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: This is a moral guy. You gotta get him mad 34 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: a here. 35 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 6: You know, well, you you were yourself fired. You didn't 36 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 6: defend yourself. 37 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 3: I don't know why would I defend myself. I mean 38 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 3: we stunk. 39 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 4: Who was the host, no idea? I really don't remember. 40 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 4: I know it was late night, it was after a game. 41 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 4: I think we probably got our asses kicked. 42 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and. 43 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 4: Uh, you know, I was just playing around, you know, 44 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 4: because I'm playing around. I was just playing a joke. 45 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 4: But yeah, it was it was I thought it was funny. 46 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 4: I think I did it just one time. I thought 47 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 4: about doing it again. I thought, you know, maybe that 48 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 4: would not be a good idea. Somebody's gonna recognize my 49 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 4: voice or something or whatever. But I can't even remember 50 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,399 Speaker 4: what year it was, but I remember calling in one time, 51 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 4: just just just bashing myself. 52 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: I love that you call it. 53 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: I love that you went like an Italian American guy 54 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: from South Villy that, oh oh, well. 55 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 4: I think I went south just pulling out of the 56 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 4: I think I was just pulling out of the game. 57 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 4: I think it might have been more than forty five 58 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 4: minutes after the game, or thirty minutes after the game. 59 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 4: After I probably talked to Charlie Manuel or somebody or 60 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 4: maybe even Ryan Sandberg, whoever it was who was managing 61 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 4: at the time, and I was like, Yo, Yo, get 62 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 4: this guy out of here. 63 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 5: Let's go. 64 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 7: So in a little bit bigger picture, is this proof? 65 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 7: Is this proof that the people who run teams in 66 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 7: this town and other big city, big sports towns actually 67 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 7: do listen to critique from, whether it be newspapers or 68 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 7: a talk radio. 69 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 5: I listened to it sometimes. 70 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 3: I didn't listen to it a lot, but I listened 71 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: to it. 72 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 5: I mean, I just believe. 73 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 4: That for a long time, a lot of the stuff 74 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 4: that Angelo and some of the others guys did, and 75 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 4: you know, I have a lot of respect from a 76 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 4: lot of it was entertainment. 77 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 5: In the mornings. 78 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 4: There's a lot of entertainment trying to entertain and they're 79 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 4: trying to drive ratings and stuff like that. That's you know, 80 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 4: I get it, that's part of the entertainment business. 81 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: And so I didn't take too much of it to heart. 82 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 4: There were times with certain guys that I thought they 83 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 4: were They got personal at times, and that was what 84 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 4: bothered me. 85 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 5: That would bother me. 86 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 4: But when when it came down to, like, you know, 87 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 4: criticism stuff like that, that's a part of the job 88 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 4: here in Philadelphia, I knew that. 89 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, you that coming in. 90 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 6: It goes with the territory. 91 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 7: You need to be able to take critique and you 92 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 7: need to be able to share criticism. But when it 93 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 7: goes overboard, I think it probably is hurtful to some 94 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 7: And I've talked to guys who get upset by But you, 95 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 7: and I've told you this before, you amaze me with 96 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 7: how thick your skin is. Maybe it's because you were 97 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 7: born here and it's you know, it's in your DNA 98 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 7: and you know how to take it. But you have 99 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 7: incredible thick skin. You don't hold grudges, Yeah, it's good question. 100 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: Very very few grudges do I hold. 101 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 4: And because I know things happen in a time, in 102 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 4: a space right. Things happen, and I get it. 103 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: I mean, this is sports, this is the life, this 104 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 3: is what it's all about. 105 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 5: I mean there's ups and downs. I've said this many times, man. 106 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: I talked to my kids about it, like I knew 107 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 3: I was going to be a hero for a while. 108 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 4: But at some point, you know, we were going to 109 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 4: drop off the table and life was going to change. 110 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 4: So but that's part of the gig. I wish I 111 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 4: had sustained it better. It made, you know, the better decisions, 112 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 4: maybe a little earlier whatever. I mean, there's a lot 113 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 4: of things that you sort of regret. But I was 114 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 4: really proud of the work that we did. Man. We 115 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 4: did a lot of great stuff for this city for 116 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 4: a long time. And I was part of a really 117 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 4: great era of Phillys baseball and I'm and I'm very 118 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 4: proud of that too, and. 119 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 6: You should be. 120 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 7: You should be proud. It was a great era. And 121 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 7: we're kind of getting that vibe again. 122 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 6: Yes, in the in the stadium. But you know, this. 123 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 7: Little anecdote about calling the radio station late at night 124 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 7: as Tony from South Philly. It made me laugh because 125 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 7: there's nothing better. I mean, it's a long season for 126 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 7: you guys in the front office, players, but also in 127 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 7: the press box. Some of these seasons can get long 128 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 7: and a grind, and we we would love, we loved 129 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 7: press box antics and press box hijinks, and we had. 130 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 6: Some good one over the years. 131 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 7: It made me think of a time, Todd, Do you 132 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 7: remember this Once we were in Denver and I'm sitting 133 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 7: up there in the press box typing away in the 134 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 7: fifth inning, and I look up in my pictures on 135 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 7: the scoreboard. 136 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, it was you. I took a 137 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: picture of you on the field and I just said, 138 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: wave Jim. So Jim's in the dugout. He's a very 139 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: like kind of like. 140 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: Google the gile. 141 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, before the game. 142 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: He like waves and smiles and a lot of these 143 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: ballparks now they say, you know, tweet at you know 144 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: Rockies hashtag, you know Rockies fan or whatever, and on 145 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: the on the jumbo tron, and so I had I 146 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: have Jimmy's got this silly smile on his face. 147 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: He's like waving like hello, and uh. 148 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: Next thing you know, it's on the scoreboard, Jim. That 149 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: was not the only time we did that. We did 150 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: that the podres. I took a photo of you and 151 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: Matt Gelbin the press box and I did, I did, 152 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: I did the hashtag friar fan or whatever it was, right, 153 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: and the best part, the best part is that Adam 154 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: Hazley is making his major league debut and he's stepping 155 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 1: in the batter's box for the first time in his life. 156 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: And on the scoreboard. 157 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 6: Is Jim and Matt Delp. 158 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: They had like they had Adam Adam Hazley's photo. 159 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: You know, major making, major le and right in the 160 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: lower right hand corner or whatever it was, was Jim 161 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: and Matt Guilp's photo underneathing. 162 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 3: Did you take a picture of that? You have to 163 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: have a picture. 164 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: I do have a picture. 165 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 5: I have a picture of that is h hilarious. 166 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: Jim here, Jim, here's another one. How about the time 167 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: in Arizona before the game. This was the best is 168 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: they had a hashtag go d Backs. But it sounded 169 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: like it looks what you look at it says God backs, right, 170 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: So we started sending all these tweets saying God backs, godbacks, 171 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: god backs, and next thing you know, apparently the social 172 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: media person whoever ran the scoreboard was getting absolutely obliterated 173 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: by Phillies fans. Using the hashtag godbacks or go d backs, 174 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: And at one point they put a photo of Jim's 175 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: tweet up there and said, like, why is god backs 176 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: trending in Philly? And somebody wrote Jim Salisbury tweeted it 177 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: or whatever, so it this whole thing. The guy from 178 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: their fan of vision or their whatever their counter, you know, 179 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: whatever their version is, came in and like told us, like, 180 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: you guys just. 181 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 5: Ruined my day. 182 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: You guys just ruined my day. 183 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: I can't get anything up on the. 184 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: Scoreboard because our servers is getting overloaded with with god backs. 185 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 6: I go d backs and listen. 186 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 5: Now, I'm sort of on the side. 187 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 4: But and I've been in the dugout with you guys 188 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 4: as an executive, you know, and there are times I 189 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 4: have to say this. 190 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: I mean, I I know that my job. 191 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 4: When I was a GM was to deliver the news 192 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 4: and stuff like that, and I I always respected you guys. 193 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 4: So there are times when I would get pissed off, sure, 194 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 4: because you know, because we were not doing well and 195 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 4: we were even questioning a question about you know, our 196 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 4: jobs and what we were doing and decisions we were 197 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 4: making things like that. 198 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 5: But I always respected the job that you guys did. 199 00:08:58,640 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 5: And I always felt like. 200 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 4: Having learned from Pat Gillick and Ed Wade, that you know, 201 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 4: you guys had a job to do too, and it's 202 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 4: not an easy job to do. 203 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 5: And you know, now I'm on this side, you know, 204 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 5: think about. 205 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 4: Asking questions that are like critical questions about the game, 206 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 4: like why would you do this? And how come you 207 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 4: did that? And what was the thought process here and there? 208 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 4: And and it does I know from the from the 209 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 4: askers point of view and an interviewer's point of view, 210 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 4: those are not easy questions to ask because you generally 211 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 4: like the guys that you're asking these questions too, and 212 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 4: you're sort of questioning their ability to do their jobs. 213 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 5: And so it's sort of whares on you guys too, 214 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 5: And so I get that. 215 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 4: I mean, I get that more now, but I also 216 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 4: understood it pretty well when I was a GM. 217 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 7: And and that's probably why. You know, it's like having 218 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 7: a guy in a club ause who keeps the mood light. 219 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 7: Sometimes we have little press box hijinks and they keeps 220 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 7: me a lot hilarious. 221 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 6: And I'm reminded of one of my all time favorites. 222 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 7: We were talking about Matt Gelb and when he was 223 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 7: younger and before he started going bald, uh, he used 224 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 7: to have this little tuft of hair and he had 225 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 7: these little ears, and he. 226 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 6: Looked like a koala. 227 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 7: So we started calling him the Koala and it stuck. 228 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,479 Speaker 6: We still call him the Koala. 229 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 7: And so one time, it's probably seven, eight ten years 230 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 7: ago in spring training. 231 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 6: In Disney. 232 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 7: Over at Disney, the braves were still in Disney, and 233 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 7: I have to frame this story by Todd is a 234 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 7: very funny guy. He does great impersonations JFK. I love 235 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 7: as one of old time newsman when he does the 236 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 7: old time newsreel him do those, Yeah, we're gonna have 237 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 7: him do those sometimes. But he also does a great 238 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 7: Australian accent. So rain delay in radio broadcast, Scott Fransky 239 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 7: is killing time during a rain delay on the radio, 240 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 7: and he's going to take some callers, so some questions, 241 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 7: some calls from fans back home, and Matt Gelb is 242 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 7: being interviewed with him in the booth. So it's it's 243 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 7: the two of them in the booth during the rain 244 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 7: delay in spring training. And now they start to take 245 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 7: phone calls from fans and uh uh, I will leave 246 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 7: the rest of Todd. 247 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Rubin, you know, those those rain delay calls 248 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: are just brutal spring training, right, I mean, like, what 249 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: are you going to talk about it? 250 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: It's a Wednesday night and nobody, nobody's listening. 251 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: So I'm literally in the next roomover in the press box, 252 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: and I decide to give them a call. Let's go 253 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: to Todd. 254 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 4: Is it Todd? 255 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 6: You're next up? 256 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: I like to come from call him from Sydney, Australia. 257 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: I want to know why they call Matt Gelb. 258 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 4: The caller might. 259 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 7: Thanks, can we trace that call? 260 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 6: Yes? 261 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 8: I think, uh, I think we should have. 262 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: So that's really good man. 263 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 6: It was funny, funny. 264 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: I was, I don't know who recommended I make the call, 265 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: but I said, I'm gonna call him do an Australian accent, 266 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: and uh, I tell you what. I was sweating bullets 267 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: before they picked up the phone. I was like, don't 268 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: mess up this accent. You gotta nail it. You gotta 269 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: nail it. 270 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 6: You gotta nail it. 271 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: But you know, it just made us laugh because we're 272 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: all sitting there. 273 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: Nobody wants to be at this game. It's eight thirty 274 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: nine o'clock on a Wednesday night. The Phillies are probably 275 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: playing a day game the next day in clear Water. 276 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: The game is meaningless. 277 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 5: It's a rain delay. 278 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: You're going, why am I here? So we killed some 279 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: time by having some time. 280 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 7: I love it. 281 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 6: I love that he said, we gotta trace. We gotta 282 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 6: trace this. 283 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 7: Phone call, trace it eight feet away. 284 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 6: That's great. Oh my gosh, it's funny. 285 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was funny. 286 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: So let's get into this. This series against the Dodgers. 287 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 2: The Phillies go in. They have a three and a 288 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: half game lead. 289 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: Over the Dodgers for the best record of the Nationally, 290 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of built up as two n L powerhouses, 291 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: and the Phillies just sweep them out of the ballpark. 292 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 2: And last night even Dave Dave Roberts said, they're they're clearly. 293 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: A better team than we are right now. We really 294 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: didn't know much well this series, situational hitting, getting hits, 295 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. 296 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 5: We were out played. 297 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: It's certainly I know where we are right now. I mean, 298 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: pretty pretty convincing series victory. 299 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: Is it too can you make anything out of is 300 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: it too early? 301 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: I know the Dodgers are also banged up, but you 302 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: seem to send a statement of sorts. 303 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 7: It gives them that, you know, advantage for the best record, 304 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 7: which is important for home field. But you know, for me, 305 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 7: the al what I what I The only thing I 306 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 7: make out of it is that which is a nice advantage. 307 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 7: This team, for me, is still going to be defined 308 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 7: defined in the month of October. It's built to go 309 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 7: to October. It needs to go to October. It should 310 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 7: go to October. 311 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 6: And go deep. 312 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 7: That's that's what's going to define this team. That said, 313 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 7: we talk about it all the time. You know, you 314 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 7: can only play the games that are on your schedule 315 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 7: that night. And they did a great job. They looked 316 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 7: really good. The Dodgers looked sloppy, they banged up. I mean, 317 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 7: they had a bullpen game last night because they lost 318 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 7: another pitcher in gloss Now. But I also think the 319 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 7: Dodgers have the same mindset. Their season is going to 320 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 7: be defined in October. They're going to get there. There'll 321 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 7: be a different looking team in the month of October. 322 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 7: But certainly a hell of a series. I mean I 323 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 7: was looking some of the Phillies hit three twenty with 324 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 7: a nine to eighty six ops and seven home runs, 325 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 7: and they averaged over six runs per game and the 326 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 7: Phillies pitching staff had a one six three ERA and 327 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 7: only allowed five runs. Dodgers sloppy, Phillies dominant fans are great. 328 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 7: I mean I thought the Phillies fed off the fans 329 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 7: like a like. 330 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 6: An extra man. 331 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 7: It was an incredible series, you know, great, great showing. 332 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 7: Certainly something to build on on the way to the 333 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 7: to the time that's really going to define this team. 334 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree. I know they were shorthanded. They 335 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 4: didn't have Mookie Beth, they didn't have Month. See they're 336 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 4: starting rotation, you know, no Yamamoto, no Glass. Now, they 337 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 4: didn't have you know, Kershaw, Bueller, those guys. So those 338 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 4: are a lot of that's that's a lot of firepower, 339 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 4: and it's going to be a different team in a 340 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 4: couple of months. That said, the Phillies also missing some 341 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 4: guys JT. And you know, Harper's just coming back, Schwarber's 342 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 4: just coming back and getting his feet, you know, underneath 343 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 4: him again after being out for a little while. Obviously, 344 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 4: Turner's playing unbelievably well, and you know they don't really 345 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 4: have a fifth starter right now, so you have to 346 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 4: be impressed. I'm so impressed by the pitching. I have 347 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 4: to tell you this, this Christopher Sanchez kid. For him 348 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 4: to bounce back after having his worst outing, had his 349 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 4: best outing, then had his worst outing, and sort of 350 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 4: I don't necessarily like to utilize that excuse, but he 351 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 4: did get up and down nine times and then have 352 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 4: to come back another four days later, five days later 353 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 4: and pitch again. And it was obvious that he was 354 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 4: kind of off kilter in Chicago, and for him to 355 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 4: sort of bounce back and to pitch the way he 356 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 4: did against the Dodgers that front that you know, you 357 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 4: can talk about the lineup, but that first four or 358 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 4: five guys they can hit. 359 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 5: Now they can hit. He gets some great hitters. 360 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 4: And for him to bounce back and the pitch the 361 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 4: way he did under those circumstances, big crowd, the whole 362 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 4: nine yards. 363 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: Just another level of his growth. 364 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,239 Speaker 5: They was fantastic. 365 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 4: Obviously, Wheeler setting the tone, Nola finishing it off, Nola 366 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 4: stepping up in the biggest part of the game and 367 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 4: making his best pitches against the best hitter. He struck 368 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 4: out in the second inning, the bass is juice. He 369 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 4: struck out the guy who is arguably the best hitter 370 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 4: in baseball, right now or most dangerous. 371 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 5: And he did it with his. 372 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 3: Hardest fastball and his best break and stuff. And I 373 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: just that's one of the reasons why I love Aaron. 374 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 5: He's been doing it for years. 375 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 4: He's done it since I've watched him in the LSU, 376 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 4: And that's that's who he is, man. And I used 377 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 4: to I mean, I've even tweeted this out or exit 378 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 4: out or whatever it is about, you know, how whether oh, we. 379 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 5: Can't pitch in the big game. 380 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 3: Really like Nola, it's not about whether he can pitch. 381 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 5: In the big game. 382 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 4: And sometimes he's just not effective and he throws too 383 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 4: many strikes or leaves the ball out in the middle 384 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 4: of the plate and heat. 385 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 5: That's the reason why people at home runs off of him. 386 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 4: But it's not about whether he can pitch in a 387 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 4: big game or not, because he certainly can do that. 388 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: How about the job Ruby, You talked about that at 389 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: bat Nola Otani in the second inning. Just in general, 390 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: their performance against Otani this series. Otani was three for ten, 391 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: four strikeouts, one walk, all three hits for singles. Really, 392 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: they really kept them in check, really. 393 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 4: Good plan against him, and you know you got to 394 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 4: give you know, Brian Kaplan, who is the director of 395 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 4: Pitcher Developed Pitching Development and assistant pitching coach, and Caleb 396 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 4: Cotham and the whole aft that the plan of attack 397 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 4: on the guy and the execution right, you have to 398 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 4: be able to execute it looked like they were going 399 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 4: to try to rush him up and in and get him. 400 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 4: You know, there's there seems to be a space up 401 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 4: and then you let the ball get out over the plate. 402 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 5: Man, you get him, get extension. 403 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 4: Man, He's it's a little bit like Barry Bonds when 404 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 4: he was younger, before he closed up that hole. That 405 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 4: if you you know, you can get in on him 406 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 4: a little bit and maybe miss have him miss hit 407 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 4: a few balls. 408 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 5: And then then and they were. 409 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 4: Dropping some hammers on him, especially there and nolah those 410 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 4: some of those curveballs he was stolen. 411 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 5: We're just filth. 412 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 6: E ten swinging missus on that pitch. 413 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 5: Just filthy. 414 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 4: And when he's get that, when he gets this action 415 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 4: as opposed to the side to side, there are times 416 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 4: when he gets underneath the pitch and he and it 417 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 4: kind of and that. 418 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 3: Doesn't have the same depth, but when it has depth, 419 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 3: and when your. 420 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 4: Left handed the right hand doesn't matter, man, I mean, 421 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 4: your eyes just can't adjust. 422 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 5: I couldn't have that pitch. And that's a tough pitch 423 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 5: to hit. Man. 424 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 7: You talk about the eyes of a hit. He had 425 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 7: a little extra on his fastball last night. He had 426 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 7: a little like a mile per hour hour, but just 427 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 7: he had a little bit extra. 428 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 6: And now you do that right, well. 429 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, because it puts into your mind, you know, it's 430 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 4: not the ninety two, it's a ninety five, and now 431 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 4: you got to get ready for the ninety ninety five. 432 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: And and then you. 433 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,959 Speaker 4: Throw that pitch in the same spot basically, and the 434 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 4: ball breaks off the table. 435 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 5: It's hard to distinguish because he tunnels so well. 436 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: That O two fastball he threw inside to a time 437 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: in the second end it was ninety five point five 438 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: miles an hour. 439 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: That was tie for his hardest pitch of the year. 440 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: I asked him after the game, you know, what were 441 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: you trying to go inside there? Because he was it 442 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: was it was inside, It was inside. He's like, I 443 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: was trying to go on the corner. But if I 444 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: was going to miss, I wanted to miss inside. Because 445 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: he's like, like you said, Reuben, you don't want to 446 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: get him extended. You don't want to you don't want 447 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: to miss on the plate and have him just hit 448 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: a grand slam. So uh, he had a little extra 449 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: juice on that, on that oh too fastball, and then 450 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: they broke off the breaking ball. 451 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 3: But that tells you a lot about like Aaron Old 452 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 3: is not afraid to get in there. 453 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, there's nobody like Wheelers not afraid to get 454 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 4: in there. 455 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 5: Those guys are not afraid in there. They're not afraid 456 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 5: to pitch. 457 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 3: They pitch aggressively with confidence. 458 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 4: And you know that's the difference between this staff and 459 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 4: every other staff I think. 460 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 5: I mean, you can probably. 461 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 4: Talk about the Seattle Mariners, and I haven't watched them 462 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 4: enough to really break them down, but I know that 463 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 4: these guys pitch and they pitch with confidence, and I 464 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 4: think there's a whole set of dominoes that are associated 465 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 4: with this. They believe that if they make a mistake 466 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 4: and somebody gets them, that their offense can come back 467 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 4: and pick them up, or their defense will make a play, 468 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 4: or so there's a confidence there. So there's a lot 469 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 4: of things, a lot of factors here in all this, 470 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 4: and I think it all plays into one thing, and 471 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 4: that's to win baseball games. 472 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 5: And I think that's what's translating. 473 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 7: That's a great point, Like it's they believe somebody will 474 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 7: pick him up. So if I execute a pitch down 475 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 7: on the zone instead of trying to blow somebody away 476 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 7: up here, I'm gonna execute this pitch down on his 477 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 7: zone because I have faith those guys behind me are 478 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 7: going to pick it up and throw the first base. 479 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: But Tony lost his helmet and a lot of swings 480 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: that seemed like he was taking some really awkward hacks 481 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: at some pitches, you know, throughout throughout the series against them. Yeah, 482 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: they really did. Trey Turner continues to swing a hot bat. 483 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: Johann Rojas runs down this ball and left center field. 484 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: Last night, he covered a hundred feet one hundred feet 485 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: to run down that fly ball. 486 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 5: Uh, he was feeling it last night. 487 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: He had some he had some good quotes talking about Yeah, 488 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: he was, you know, the ball's in there. The only 489 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: way I'm not catching it at the ball's hit out 490 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: of the ballpark. You know, that's the only way I'm 491 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: not catching the baseball. And you know, then he said, 492 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: we don't care who's coming. We don't care who we're playing, 493 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: We're just going to beat them. 494 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 5: He was feeling good about his performance last night. 495 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: But it's cool, is you know what, you know, get 496 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 2: some honesty. Yeah, exactly. 497 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 5: He believes in his defense. There's no question about that. 498 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 6: I want to ask you about Trey Turner. 499 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 7: I mean, he's on his home run binge and I 500 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 7: love his swing because correct me if I'm wrong, But 501 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 7: it just looks like he's. 502 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 6: Staying on plane. 503 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 7: He's leveled through the zone's so he's not launching through 504 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 7: the zone. 505 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 6: He's level for the zone. He finishes high. 506 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 7: But that backspin, I mean, it's it's classic power hitter backspin. 507 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 6: It's like Killer Brew and those guys used. 508 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 7: To have, except he's not that body type. 509 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 6: But the way he can. 510 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 7: Not launch, not drop his backside, but come through the 511 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 7: zone level spin, it finish high, and that ball just 512 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 7: never stops, it goes. It carries eight to ten rows deep. Really, 513 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 7: it's kind of beautiful to watch. 514 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 5: It really is. 515 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 4: And when we can talk about like the whole art 516 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 4: of hitting and how things have changed, and there's a 517 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 4: belief that since you know, since the ball has come 518 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 4: at this angle, that you should work underneath the baseball 519 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 4: with your barrel and try to launch the. 520 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 5: Ball into the air. 521 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 4: That's been like the physics of what why you're getting 522 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 4: this big launch angle push for years, for ten to 523 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 4: twelve years, whatever it's been. It also creates so little 524 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 4: margin for error that you have to hit it at 525 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 4: the perfect spot to actually get it. Now, the guys 526 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 4: who can really hit and hit for average and have 527 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 4: more consistency, they have a flatter playing to the ball 528 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 4: because they expose their barrel in the hitting zone longer. 529 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 4: That's physics too, and it gives himself a chance to 530 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 4: barrel the baseball up and also the backspin the ball, 531 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 4: and it's a matter of just hitting the bottom part 532 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 4: of the ball right, hitting the bom part of the 533 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 4: ball to create the backspin and the flatness of his swing. 534 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 4: And it's one of the reasons why I think he's 535 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 4: one of those guys that really doesn't need a rehab 536 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 4: is because he works on a swing so consistently. Whether 537 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 4: it's tea work, whether it's off a project, you know, 538 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 4: image pitching machine, whatever the case may be, they work 539 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 4: on those things and it's so consistent and it's so different. 540 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 4: Also from the beginning of the season last year where 541 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 4: he was underneath the baseball, he was not nearly as flat. 542 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 4: He was also swinging a lot of pitches out of 543 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 4: the zone then, because I think he was just trying 544 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 4: to be a little too aggressive. But his flatness through 545 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 4: the zone, Jimmy made a great point, is what creates 546 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 4: his ability to make consistent hard contact and to create 547 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 4: the backspin that is necessary. 548 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:35,719 Speaker 5: To drive the ball out of the ballpark. 549 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 4: Not a big man, but he can really whip the 550 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 4: bat through the zone because he's got great hands. 551 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 5: I mean he's watching him. 552 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 4: Got great hands, and he can really create bat speed 553 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 4: with his hands with the ability of keeping the ball 554 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 4: his barrel on plane longer to make more consistent countent. 555 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 5: Hence the power, hence the power and the average. 556 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: If trade turned Trey Turner stays healthy the rest of 557 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: the way and he plays almost every day, he's going 558 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: to finish with enough plate appearances to qualify for batting title. 559 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: He could be the first Phillies player to win a 560 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: batting title since Whitey Richie Ashburn nineteen fifty eight. Right now, 561 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: Christian Yelloch leads the National League in batting average three 562 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: twenty nine. 563 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 2: Trey is batting three forty eight. 564 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: So if he keeps on this pace, even if he 565 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: doesn't keep at this exact pace, you know he he's 566 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: got a good chance of winning a batting title. And 567 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: this might sound blasphemous, but he also might be on 568 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: He's not gonna have the overall numbers because he missed 569 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: six seven weeks or whatever it was with the hamstring injury, 570 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: but it might be the You can make an argument 571 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: for it. Is this the best season by a Philly 572 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: shortstop ever and Jimmy Rownds won the MVP in two 573 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: thousand and seven. Jimmy had is gonna have about two 574 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: hundred more plate appearance about the end of season, so 575 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: he's gonna have more doubles, triples, home runs. But you 576 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: look at Trey Turners batting average three forty eight, on 577 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: base percentage three ninety three, slugging percentage five twenty nine 578 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,959 Speaker 1: ops nine to twenty two. Jamie Rollins had an eight 579 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: seventy five OPS in two thousand and seven. Again, might 580 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: you guys, that might be blasphemous to say, but I 581 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: don't know's he's in the conversation right now. He's really 582 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: having an historically amazing season for Philly shorts up however 583 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: you want to look at it. 584 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 7: No question, a big second half. He's going to finish 585 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 7: in the top ten of the MVP even with the 586 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 7: miss time. I think you know you're gonna have him 587 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 7: and Harper both making strong showings in the in the 588 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 7: MVP if they continue doing what they're doing. 589 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the big separator with Jimmy and Turner 590 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 4: obviously is that one the durability, but also the defense. 591 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 4: I mean, Jimmy, Jimmy is the best shortstop in the 592 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 4: game for a long, long long time defensively, and he 593 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 4: did not get enough love for that because there was. 594 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 5: Other guys who were pretty good too. But I mean, 595 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 5: he should have won about fifty Gold Gloves. I thought 596 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 5: he only won four. And he only won four, which is, yeah, one. 597 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 4: Of the reasons he may stay out of the Hall 598 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 4: of Fame because the guy should have. 599 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 5: Won about eight of them. 600 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, he was the best shortstop in the in the 601 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 4: Nation League for me for the longest time. And I 602 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 4: will uh, I will only say this, it's so fun 603 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 4: to watch this guy play. It does bring back shades 604 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 4: of Jimmy Rollins because of his smoothness, the way he runs. 605 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 4: I mean Jimmy obviously smaller and stature wasn't as gliding, 606 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 4: but that both ran super We just smooth players. 607 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 8: He slides smoothly. It's just a gorgeous thing to do. 608 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 8: His bat path is smooth. You know, there's so much 609 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 8: smoothness to what he does that it sort of gives 610 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 8: you the vibe. You know, who was it they called 611 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,239 Speaker 8: J Rowl J smooth. I think it was La used 612 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 8: to call j smooth. 613 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 4: And and it's just it's just really cool. It's the 614 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 4: reason why he signed a big ass contract because he's 615 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 4: a really super dynamic player. 616 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 5: He's been that way for a while. 617 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 7: Ruban, You're so right about Jimmy's defense. There are years 618 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 7: he made like six errors and a lot of chance. 619 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 7: The thing I loved about Jimmy's defense when he threw 620 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 7: the ball, he had the same Really, he wasn't way 621 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 7: back here. He threw right from here, almost kind of 622 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 7: short OneD it, same release point every time, hit Ryan 623 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 7: Howard right in the chest every time. 624 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 4: He had the most accurate arm of a shortstop that 625 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 4: I think I've ever seen. 626 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 6: Now. 627 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 3: Sean Dunstan strongest arm. 628 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 5: He the wear back and fire. 629 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 3: But Jimmy rollins Larry Bow was super accurate too. 630 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 4: Man like Larry Bow was one of those guys kind 631 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 4: of a low three quarter and he was and he 632 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 4: faded the ball only when he only fired it when 633 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 4: he had to, a little bit like my dad when 634 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 4: he played. My Dad didn't use his arm unless he 635 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 4: needed to. But the consistency of the throw was something 636 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 4: to marvel at, whether he was doing the spin move 637 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 4: behind and base and making the throw backhanding the ball, 638 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 4: making the throw coming in routine. Uh. You know, Dallas 639 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 4: Green talked about the two out shortstops all the time, 640 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 4: and dude, you if you hit the ball to the 641 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 4: left side of the infield and Jimmy Reynalds caught it, 642 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 4: you're out oh th t every time. 643 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: Well, Jimmy should be a Hall of Famer. 644 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: We'll see if he gets there. We can get dig 645 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: into that at some point down the road. Phillys Phillies 646 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: A's this weekend before the All Star break. You got 647 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: Ranger Sores Friday Night versus Hogan Harris. He's one of 648 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: three three two two era Saturday. It's Tyler Phillips, South 649 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: Jersey Kid Buship Eustas Kid making his first big league 650 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: start at home at Citizens Bank Park. I mean that's 651 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: gonna be You're gonna have a large Phillips contingent at 652 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: that game for sure. I know he's excited about that 653 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: versus He's pitching against Mitch Spence and then Sunday it's 654 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: Joey Estes versus TBD. 655 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: Rob Thompson said that if if they. 656 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: Don't go heavy on the bullpen Friday, Saturday, could just 657 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: go heavy, heavy, heavy bullpen on Sunday because he doesn't 658 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: want all of his relievers not pitching for five six days, 659 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: so it could be a bullpend game. And then I 660 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: guess Friday Saturday, if they do need to lean on 661 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: their bullpen a lot, they could always make a roster 662 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: move potentially to kind of fill the gap on Sunday. 663 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: I don't know what they're gonna do, but it's it's 664 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 2: TBD for right. 665 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,959 Speaker 1: Now, so and then then the All Star break, so 666 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: that will wrap it up for the Phillies real quick. 667 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: If you're headed to the Phillies as game this Saturday, 668 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: be sure to check out Shive Been to Sports is 669 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: tenth anniversary tailgate starting at one pm in the end lot. 670 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: That's the end lot. 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You know what I'm saying. 681 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 4: You guys, have a good time, good time here podcast. 682 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 2: All right, might shrimp on the Bobby. 683 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna gonna get out that go to the bowl 684 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: game tonight, mate, you know, enjoy ourselves. 685 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 2: Phillies a City series former city series. 686 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 5: Game Mate. 687 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta work, I gotta work on. I'm 688 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 2: a little rusty, all right, guys, I'll talk to you 689 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 2: all right. 690 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 6: Smell your later, boys, Jim. 691 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: This is the Philly Show. 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