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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to the Renee Subs Tennis Podcast. I

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Speaker 1: know it's been a while, but we apologize for that.

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Speaker 1: But we are back. We are back with Avengeance. Is

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Speaker 1: it Avengeance.

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Speaker 2: We couldn't be happy to be back. We're in a

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Speaker 2: beautiful place. We have beautiful tennis to watch, we have

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Speaker 2: tons of world news to discuss, and as always, tennis

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Speaker 2: is great in the mix of everything. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've got players stranded in Dubai. We had

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Speaker 1: a situation in Mexico not that long ago that just

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Speaker 1: proved to you. It's also another reason when people say

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Speaker 1: to me, Caitlin, stick to tennis, I say, why sport

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Speaker 1: is involved in the world's politics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. As much as we might want for sport to

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Speaker 2: be separate from politics, it's not. The world is big.

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Speaker 2: The world is also where tennis takes place. It's not

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Speaker 2: just one country, it's not just one region. It's one

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Speaker 2: of the strengths of tennis. It's amazing about tennis. We

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Speaker 2: had a reporter who went to Doha and then Dubai.

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Speaker 2: He's still stuck there, he can't get out, and he

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Speaker 2: wrote a postcard for us about getting notifications on his

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Speaker 2: phone hours after the announcement that Daniel Medvedev would win

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Speaker 2: the tournament in a walkover tallan Greek spoor, saying that

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Speaker 2: bombs were on their way and everyone should take shelter.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I didn't that happen in the doubles.

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Speaker 2: It happened during the doubles match, and he was there

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Speaker 2: at the stadium. He wrote a postcard for us from

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Speaker 2: the tournament. You can go read it at racketmag dot com.

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Speaker 2: So for us, like one of the great things about

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Speaker 2: tennis is that it features all these amazing places, all

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Speaker 2: these amazing players traveling the world, in some cases not

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Speaker 2: We're still not sure exactly where some of the players are.

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Speaker 2: And the tournament here in Indian Walls is about to start,

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Speaker 2: so we have lots to discuss. But also it just

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Speaker 2: underscores tennis is part of the world and politics for better,

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Speaker 2: if we're serve part of the world, than those two

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Speaker 1: You know. To take us off the subject a little

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Speaker 1: bit of the politics in the world, Caitlin, I would

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Speaker 1: like to let everybody know that one of the greatest

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Speaker 1: I know it has nothing to do with tennis, but

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Speaker 1: I don't give a shit because I'm going to tell

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Speaker 1: you this story. So we are staying at the beautiful

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Speaker 1: Sense in Brancho Mirage, not far from the tennis courts.

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Speaker 1: It is a gorgeous setting for tennis, for golf, for accommodations, whatever.

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Speaker 1: If you ever get a chance to stay here, it's

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Speaker 2: Well we should say, why are we staying here?

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Speaker 1: Well, you tell us why we're staying here.

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Speaker 2: We are doing a racket retreat. We partnered with a

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Speaker 2: company called Blue Air that makes amazing technology air filtrations,

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Speaker 2: sleep aging, and we are taking near and dear friends,

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Speaker 2: some folks with media, some of our favorite players to

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Speaker 2: this beautiful place to have a retreat. So you and

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Speaker 2: But this place truly is one of the most exceptional

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Speaker 1: It was the listen if you want to do a

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Speaker 1: in Caitlin. Just a little update on a couple of

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Speaker 1: things that we haven't talked about because we've had a

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Speaker 2: I think they couldn't have gotten a better and more

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, as I said, it is a little

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Speaker 1: So I'm sure he thought about what he wanted to

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Speaker 1: Obviously, it's funny you say that because Lisa Raymond when

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Speaker 1: I totally get what you're saying. I don't because I

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Speaker 1: crazy what's happening over there. But he wins the same

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Speaker 1: And the fact that he did it there you got

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Speaker 2: Mattie is back.

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Speaker 1: And didn't I just say he won every match so easy,

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Speaker 2: Yes, certainly the easiest match was the one he didn't

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Speaker 1: It's been too.

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Speaker 1: But the problem with the serve is you're starting the

430
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Speaker 1: point if you can't get the serve in the or

431
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Speaker 1: you're hitting a shit second serve that's just getting pounded.

432
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Speaker 1: I don't care how good your movement is, it's always

433
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Speaker 1: going to be in the back of her mind that

434
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Speaker 1: that's a problem. I mean, we saw it so glaringly

435
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Speaker 1: at this Strain Open in the one point million Dollar

436
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Speaker 1: Challenge when Donnavekich won the toss and said, Coco, you

437
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Speaker 1: can serve, because she was like, you have to serve

438
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Speaker 1: a serve and under pressure. That was brutal and I

439
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 1: was court sided and I was like, oh my god.

440
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Speaker 1: And of course she hit in the bottom of the net,

441
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Speaker 1: and I felt so badly for her because I'm like,

442
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Speaker 1: you know, people don't realize like the work and the

443
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Speaker 1: effort you put in. But you know, back to your

444
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Speaker 1: original question about the technical side of it, it's just

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Speaker 1: I mean, dude, that's why I wanted to Yes, she

446
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 1: won the tournament in where it was Wuhan or whatever

447
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 1: in China, and we were like, well, what do we know?

448
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 1: But you know what, I think she should have taken

449
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Speaker 1: the three months off and said, I need to take

450
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Speaker 1: the three months off and break this down to a

451
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Speaker 1: point where it I'm almost learning how to serve again

452
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Speaker 1: completely from the start to the finish. Change the grip,

453
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Speaker 1: get the elbow up, all the things that I would,

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Speaker 1: you know, look into as well. And I've had conversations

455
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Speaker 1: with the gavern about this, and he's a great guy,

456
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Speaker 1: but man, there's only so much you can do when

457
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Speaker 1: you're fucking playing a tournament the next week. So how

458
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 1: are you supposed to get around this. I don't know,

459
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 1: which is why I know she won the tournament, but

460
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Speaker 1: I wish she'd taken the entire fall off last year,

461
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Speaker 1: because when is she gonna get that time to really

462
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Speaker 1: break it down down to the nitty gritty. She's not

463
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Speaker 1: gonna be able to have time.

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Speaker 2: You know, this year might be the best. And here's

465
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Speaker 2: a radical idea, which is playing off what you're saying.

466
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Speaker 2: You know, if the Alissa lose, the yeah bonds, the uh,

467
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Speaker 2: you know, the examples we can draw in other sports

468
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Speaker 2: when you just say, hey, I don't have many points

469
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Speaker 2: to defend. I am not feeling it. I don't have

470
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Speaker 2: a ton of sponsor obligations. I'm not you know, completely

471
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Speaker 2: booked in a way that means I can't step away.

472
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Speaker 2: Maybe that's the answer, And that's not the first time

473
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Speaker 2: I've suggested that for Coco, And like, I don't know

474
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Speaker 2: really how else to sort of put it. So maybe,

475
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Speaker 2: you know, I guess we'll see. But it's just it

476
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Speaker 2: is tough to see her muddling through because you obviously

477
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Speaker 2: want her to, you know, be in the best mind

478
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Speaker 2: frame and play her best tennis. And I think without

479
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Speaker 2: that re jiggering of her structure as you suggest, Like

480
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Speaker 2: I just don't know how it's gonna happen. And you know,

481
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Speaker 2: the thing is, like we got Victorian Bocos, now, we

482
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Speaker 2: got alex Yala's, now we got like the next gen

483
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Speaker 2: is nipping on her heels. Like it's not it's not

484
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Speaker 2: a it's not a forever situation that you're you know,

485
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Speaker 2: necessarily going to stay on the top echelon. And so

486
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, make the hard short term choice

487
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Speaker 2: to benefit in the long term, you know, and maybe

488
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Speaker 2: she'll actually be that sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, you're gonna, as you said,

490
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Speaker 1: you're you're you're rocking up against these Vicky Mumbocco's who

491
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Speaker 1: who's so young and who's not afraid and who's only

492
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Speaker 1: going to get better because technically there are some things

493
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Speaker 1: wrong about her a game that I would change. You know,

494
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Speaker 1: you've got mir Andreva, who's defending champion here of course,

495
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Speaker 1: You've got Rubach, you know who won these stray and

496
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Speaker 1: open You've got you know, Egis Fiontek, who's so difficult

497
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Speaker 1: and good and difficult to play here in Indian Wales,

498
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Speaker 1: Maria Sakari is in her section of the draw, which

499
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Speaker 1: is interesting because they had that battle in the Middle

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Speaker 1: East where she got the better of her, which really

501
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Speaker 1: might turn Sakary's year around indeed, but we of course

502
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Speaker 1: we didn't have the pod for the last little bit.

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Speaker 1: I just want to shout out Caroline mcova out, one

504
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Speaker 1: of our favorites, stay injury free, wins a massive tournament

505
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Speaker 1: in the Middle East and comes here if she can

506
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Speaker 1: just keep going with new coach Van Grenfeld, who's had

507
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Speaker 1: great success with many players through the years, and who

508
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Speaker 1: is you know, I know who's so grateful to work

509
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Speaker 1: with someone like Mucova because he just gets that game style.

510
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's just nipping at the heels because if

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Speaker 1: there was one player that I would love to coach,

512
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Speaker 1: would have been Caroline Mahova. But you know, there's all

513
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Speaker 1: these players, as you said, so Coco's inn section and

514
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Speaker 1: in this draw now with so many players that are

515
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Speaker 1: just nipping her heels, and they know where there's those

516
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Speaker 1: you know, breakdowns are going to happen and the serve

517
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Speaker 1: is going to continue to really hurt her through her career.

518
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Speaker 1: And as I said, mate, it's bloody hell. I just

519
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Speaker 1: don't know how she mentally does it because eyes on

520
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Speaker 1: her all the time, and if Bianca Andrescu wins, she

521
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Speaker 1: will play Cocoa golf, So that will be a bucket,

522
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Speaker 1: That will be a popcorn match.

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Speaker 2: I would love to see that match, especially given the

524
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Speaker 2: various dynamics. I also want to point out that bb

525
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Speaker 2: Ardrescu is working with our friend Dushan Vemich and they've

526
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Speaker 2: just as you said, been grinding and come in into

527
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Speaker 2: this with a lot of confidence, which is kind of

528
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Speaker 2: the opposite direction of where Coco has been going. Tennis

529
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Speaker 2: is great because it's about matchups, because it's about who's

530
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Speaker 2: in your draw. That's why everyone cares so much about it,

531
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Speaker 2: because it matters. You know, maybe you love playing a

532
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Speaker 2: certain style of player, but you don't get that certain

533
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Speaker 2: style player, you get the style player you hate, and

534
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Speaker 2: they may be ranked much below you, but it doesn't

535
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Speaker 2: matter because at the end of the day, who wins

536
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Speaker 2: the match.

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Speaker 1: So for me, yeah, it's like it's like Yostremska getting

538
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Speaker 1: her in the first round of Wimbledon was a fucking

539
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Speaker 1: nightmare for Coco because that is a player she just

540
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Speaker 1: that's a player she would hate to play on a

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Speaker 1: surface like grass, hitting the ball flat and hard, just

542
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Speaker 1: last little thing. Emma Raducanu brought Mark Pecchi back into

543
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Speaker 1: the coaching realm, thank god, because he is a great coach.

544
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Speaker 1: And she's gone from Espanol, a Spanish coach who was

545
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Speaker 1: trying to make her a Spanish player, and she's not

546
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Speaker 1: a Spanish player. She's up the court, inside the baseline,

547
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: very similar to Ejinie Bouchard. She's not a great mover.

548
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Speaker 1: She needs to hit the ball, she needs to play big,

549
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: she needs to not get pushed back, she needs to

550
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Speaker 1: not be defending. And guess what, Mark Petchi will make

551
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Speaker 1: sure that she's not going to be defending like a

552
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Speaker 1: Spaniard twenty feet behind the base line. So that is

553
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Speaker 1: a great move. She's already done really well. She's already,

554
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Speaker 1: you know, got more matches under a belt. So and

555
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Speaker 1: you know, possible a Nissimova match up there in round

556
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Speaker 1: three if they get through. Anasimova's come on, pick it up,

557
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Speaker 1: let's go. She got sick in the Middle East, so

558
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Speaker 1: she'll be ready. When I look at the women's draw,

559
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Speaker 1: I'm so excited because there are so many potentials that

560
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Speaker 1: could win this tournament. Sablanca at the top obviously is

561
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Speaker 1: the favorite, but you know, take your pick. Jess Pagoula

562
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Speaker 1: wins in the Middle East rebakin to Winsley stray Open,

563
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Speaker 1: Mokhova wins in the Middle East. You got bumbacco down there,

564
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Speaker 1: You've got you know. It's I mean, if you can't love,

565
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Speaker 1: if you don't love women's tennis, I don't know what's

566
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Speaker 1: wrong with you. It's like saying you don't love the Olympics.

567
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Speaker 1: Do you love the Olympics.

568
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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, There's nothing I like more than the Olympics, truly, truly.

569
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Speaker 2: Not only do I love the Olympics, I love the

570
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Speaker 2: Winter Olympics. I love these people who play these sports

571
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: that are crazy, that can kill them, and most of

572
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Speaker 2: them are not full time athletes because they're like doing

573
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Speaker 2: oil changes to pay for their Bob's led training. I

574
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Speaker 2: can't emphasize enough how much I love the Olympics and

575
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Speaker 2: the fact that I got to go down to Naples,

576
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Speaker 2: Florida interview Mary Carillo for a project We have cooken

577
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Speaker 2: up for our next issue. Who's getting inducted.

578
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Speaker 1: Into the Hall of Fame?

579
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Speaker 2: And give me the goods. Give me a look at

580
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: her folder, her prep folder for the things, the details,

581
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Speaker 2: the weird little asides, that she takes while calling these

582
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Speaker 2: amazing live sports events. It was so cool. Not only

583
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Speaker 2: is she my personal hero, but also just seeing how

584
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: she prepares for something like that and why she's so

585
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 2: good on the bag and on the call with tennis

586
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 2: is because she prepares the living fuck out of it.

587
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Speaker 2: And I think for me the Olympics, now we're getting

588
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Speaker 2: into the Sunshine Double. It's just like this year has

589
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: been such a gift sports wise, narrative wise, the stories,

590
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: and I just wanted to keep going. And Frankly, and

591
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Speaker 2: this is not the first time I've said this on

592
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Speaker 2: this show. Frankly, I am ready for the dudes to

593
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Speaker 2: pick up the slack.

594
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Speaker 1: Yeah, pick the slack up. But who's gonna pick the

595
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Speaker 1: slack up? No one's They're all no one's good enough.

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Speaker 1: Alcoraz and Sina heads and shoulders. Although Sinna's got a

597
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Speaker 1: few questions to answer here because it's not been a

598
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Speaker 1: great time since he lost to Novak at the Stray

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Speaker 1: and Open.

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Speaker 2: I think no, I think Novak uh changed something in

601
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Speaker 2: Sinner's mindset. I don't really side his head a little bit.

602
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Speaker 2: I think Sinner was.

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Speaker 1: Although come on, I mean, and it's not Novak got

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Speaker 1: a walkover and he got he was down two sets.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying it was down two sets of love

606
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Speaker 1: and against Marsetti, he gets the walk over, then he

607
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: gets another walkover. So his legs were fresh playing Yanick.

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00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: So if his legs weren't fresh, I didn't know, it

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Speaker 1: would have been a little I don't know if it

610
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: would have been the same outcome. But having said that,

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Speaker 1: the guy at thirty eight years of age to literally

612
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Speaker 1: outgrind Yanick. Even he had a very tough match against Zverev.

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Speaker 1: We know that he had a very tough time at

614
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Speaker 1: the Strain Open, but the fact that he actually did

615
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Speaker 1: beat a guy that was like fourteen years younger than him,

616
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Speaker 1: based on just the fact that he got more balls

617
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Speaker 1: back in the court at the most ridiculous level was unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Yanick has some questions to be answered here.

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Speaker 2: I think his brain is a little bit broken maybe

620
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Speaker 2: from that. And I don't think we've seen the same

621
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Speaker 2: player since I think for me, I'm looking at again,

622
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Speaker 2: I mean setting a sad Colas And you can't address

623
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: the tennis men's eco system without addressing Carlos. So, like

624
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Speaker 2: I don't even want to get into.

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Speaker 1: It coun't wait for the kangaroo tattoo, by the way,

626
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Speaker 1: I mean, let's see what's happening, he told me. Sure

627
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Speaker 1: he did.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you were part of the last one here

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Speaker 2: at the US Open. I think for me, the I'm

630
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: looking at the young young guns, like, let's see if

631
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: any of these guys can sort of step up to

632
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Speaker 2: the plate. Last year we had Jack Draper walking away

633
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Speaker 2: with this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's up that haircut.

635
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Speaker 2: I'm actually kind of into it. I know, listen, the

636
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: buzz cut worked for at the US Open. And then

637
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: you know, we got Jacob Mensik who won Miami, and

638
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: maybe there's some new fresh stuff. But somebody needs to

639
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: step into that vacuum that currently is alone occupied by

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Speaker 2: Carlos Augrez.

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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, thanks for joining us and thanks for hanging

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Speaker 1: in there with this. We love you guys so much

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Speaker 1: for you know, getting on my ass about getting back

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Speaker 1: into the studio together. So here we go. We are

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Speaker 1: starting the sunshine. Thanks guys,