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Speaker 3: Good morning, and welcome to Breaking Points. So we have

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Speaker 3: a plug off the top.

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Speaker 4: We sure do. We are going to be debating some

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Speaker 4: libertarians next week here in Washington, DC live in person.

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Speaker 4: We're going to put the link in the email and

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Speaker 4: the description. But this is us participating in the reason

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Speaker 4: versus debate. So big tech does more good than harm.

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Speaker 4: Ryan and I are arguing the opposite of that, that

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Speaker 4: big tech does more harm than good. We're going to

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Speaker 4: be up against Robbie Suave and Elizabeth Nolan Brown, So

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Speaker 4: a little Robbie reunion in the works.

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Speaker 3: If we lose this, it will be like losing two

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Speaker 4: Because it's a reason event and a reason crowd, So

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Speaker 4: we maybe fighting a Siscifian uphill battle.

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Speaker 3: They love their Big Tech. Well, they took an l

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Speaker 3: just yesterday because Ted Cruz, on behalf of Big Tech,

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Speaker 3: AI preemption. It would be a law that would say

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Speaker 3: you cannot regulate AI if you are a state or

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Speaker 3: the federal government is not going to regulate AII. So

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Speaker 3: absolute libertarian fever dream. They tried to get into the

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Speaker 3: the people won again. But Ted Cruz will be back.

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Speaker 4: Stripped because it's just truly it's crazy, which.

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Speaker 3: Is they'll get it eventually, especially for.

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Speaker 4: Like the right to champion this law. Like their entire problem,

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Speaker 4: as they argue, is that there's a patchwork of regulations

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Speaker 4: sort of how we've done things for a couple hundred years.

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Speaker 3: Let's just make reason defend that.

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Speaker 4: Just spend the entire It depends on the conversation. AI Morgorse.

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Speaker 3: That's where it heads anyway.

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Speaker 4: Well, anyway, so catch us there. That's fun December tenth.

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Speaker 3: There's little party afterwards. The Libertarians do like to party.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they do that at least very well. We respect

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Speaker 4: that and it's going to be a ton of fun.

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Speaker 4: So if you want to come out December tenth, you

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Speaker 4: can check out the link in the description recent dot

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Speaker 4: com slash versus Ryan. We have a big, big show

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Speaker 4: because the news cycle won't slow down. Donald Trump held

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Speaker 3: Of course, because he put all the mistakes of their own.

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Speaker 4: Yes. So that made a lot of news. We have

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Speaker 4: we're going to break it all down. Afton Bain narrowed

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Speaker 3: Yes. And then in Nebraska, Tyson is closing one of

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Speaker 4: that TPS so temporary Protected status be removed for Somalian

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Speaker 3: British journalist. They didn't like him, they didn't liked that

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Speaker 4: All right, let's get to it. Let's start with Venezuela

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Speaker 4: this morning. We can put this first element up on

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Speaker 4: the screen. This is Trump now giving Madua an ultimatum quote,

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Speaker 4: he agreed to resign right away. Ran, What do you

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Speaker 3: The bat, Yeah, the deal that apparently is close. Like

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Speaker 3: Maduro was saying, okay, like I've seen what happens. I've

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Speaker 4: But Biden did do that with Putin. It's none above us, Yes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously this regime change operation is afoot,

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Speaker 3: And yeah, So the last point of the deal is

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Speaker 3: that the US would be able to compete for Venezuela

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Speaker 3: and oil. US oil companies, which does which is like

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Speaker 3: it's like it'd be really funny if we did a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like we want the war that would be oil.

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Speaker 4: It's not as fun if you don't.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting. Yeah, everybody thinks that the war is for

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Speaker 3: But in Iraq, like did we even take the oil?

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Speaker 4: Clearly. So Secretary of State Marco Ruba was sitting next

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Speaker 4: so obviously this came up. Let's roll a one here.

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Speaker 5: Did they come in through a certain country or any country,

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Speaker 4: And no, let's hear from Secretary Rubio himself, we can

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Speaker 3: It never would have happened if you've been president.

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Speaker 6: But this war is going on and the president is

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Speaker 6: But he's the only leader in the world that can

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Speaker 4: Did you have noticed you watching that not listening to it.

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Speaker 3: And it's and it's humiliation on top of humiliation because

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Speaker 3: the thing that he was talking about we'll get back

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Speaker 3: We're trying to and who's not doing it. The Secretary

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Speaker 3: So it's compound humiliation for Rubio.

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Speaker 4: be wanting This isn't a surprising argument, of course, but

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Speaker 3: like Tampa Bay or whatever, a drug boat and say stop,

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Speaker 3: we're going to board you. And eighty percent of the

436
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Speaker 3: time they're right. Twenty percent of the time they're like

437
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Speaker 3: our fault, go on about your business. We apologize and

438
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Speaker 3: we're not charging them, and we're not charging right, And exactly,

439
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Speaker 3: we used to kill them the survivors, Now we don't.

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Speaker 3: Now we just repatriate them, right.

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Speaker 4: They're just being repatrioted action. Yeah, and so it's a

442
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Speaker 4: hell of a I mean, it's a hell of a lift.

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Speaker 4: And again, to take Rubio's point about your own hemisphere,

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Speaker 4: that is actually where if you are waging regime change wars,

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Speaker 4: if anything, I mean, we should be meticulous about legality

446
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Speaker 4: of armed conflicts period. But of course, when you're talking

447
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Speaker 4: about a regime change war in your own hemisphere, where

448
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Speaker 4: you could entacaganize other countries and by his own logic,

449
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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like you could make the argument that

450
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Speaker 4: this is the type of thing that destabilizes the entire

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Speaker 4: region because it sends pink waves around Latin America's people

452
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Speaker 4: are furious, and that may actually end up happening because

453
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Speaker 4: of all of this. It's I mean, this gets into

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Speaker 4: the entire conversation about how this playbook has never really worked,

455
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Speaker 4: but that's probably for another day.

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Speaker 3: And meanwhile, one other piece of bizarre reporting that Soccer

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Speaker 3: and I did was confirmed by Trump. So we can

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Speaker 3: put up a six here. This is a truth social

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Speaker 3: from Donald Trump, where I challenge you to get through

460
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Speaker 3: all of this gibberish, how you pause this and try

461
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Speaker 3: to read through this, But basically what he is, what

462
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Speaker 3: Trump is sharing here is a theory that Venezuela in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty and also in two thousand and eight, but

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty used their control of voting machines to flip

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Speaker 3: the election to Biden over Trump. So what we had reported,

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Speaker 3: what Sager and I had reported, is that Rubio, along

467
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Speaker 3: with his we need to stop the drugs argument, was

468
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Speaker 3: telling Trump that Venezuela stole the twenty twenty election from Trump,

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Speaker 3: and that then that's one reason that we needed to

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Speaker 3: go ahead and overthrow Maduro. This was a thing we

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Speaker 3: heard from multiple sources, confirmed a bunch of different ways,

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Speaker 3: and it was the kind of thing that in the

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Speaker 3: past I wouldn't even have reported because I thought it

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Speaker 3: would think it was too crazy. When I was burnt

475
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Speaker 3: by remember the Secretary of War thing, I had Pentagon sources,

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Speaker 3: had Pentagon sources telling me Pete Hegseth keeps saying he

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Speaker 3: wants to change the name to the War Department, and

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Speaker 3: you were like no, I was like, that's too stupid

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Speaker 3: to report me. So from now on, nothing is too

480
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Speaker 3: stupid to report. So I thought this was I thought

481
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Speaker 3: this was too stupid report I reported it anyway, Sager.

482
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Speaker 3: I reported it, And here's Trump just tweeting it out

483
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Speaker 3: that he that he's tweeting out this conspiracy theory that

484
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Speaker 3: Venezuela flipped the twenty twenty American election, not Venezuelan election,

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Speaker 3: American election. There's a related theory that Hugo Chavez flipped

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Speaker 3: Iowa two thousand and eight against Clinton for Obama. For

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Speaker 3: Obama the caucuses.

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Speaker 4: That sounds like you believe.

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Speaker 3: No, Like I think Obama clearly won Iowa. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 3: we can.

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Speaker 4: That was real, the Venezuelan and voting machines machine that

492
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Speaker 4: goes deep.

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Speaker 3: And then there's a whole theory that Elon Musk sniffed

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Speaker 3: all this out and stopped it from happening in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four and that's why it wasn't stolen in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Really.

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Speaker 3: So meanwhile, Wnduro continues to dance. We got a five here,

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, this, you know, so we'll see, Like.

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Speaker 4: He's literally, if you're listening to this, he's dancing in

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Speaker 4: the streets of presumably Caracas. But he seems to be

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Speaker 4: in good spirits.

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Speaker 3: He well, I mean, one reason I think he's in

504
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Speaker 3: good spirits is he keeps calling Trump's bluff. I think

505
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Speaker 3: what was he was supposed to be out by last Friday. Yeah,

506
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Speaker 3: and then so Trump keeps bringing out, bring the submarines,

507
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Speaker 3: bringing the aircraft carriers. You've got until Friday, we're bombing.

508
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Speaker 3: You close the airs, you must close the airspace, and

509
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Speaker 3: they don't close the airspace. And he's like, well, it's fine,

510
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Speaker 3: We're not gonna do anything about it. So the deal

511
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: is there for the taking. Trump just has to say yes.

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Speaker 3: I think it seems like Rubio is kind of staying

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Speaker 3: in the way of it because Rubio doesn't want a deal.

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Speaker 3: Rubio wants Maduro killed. Yeah, yeah, well he's willing to leave.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't want him just out. He wants him dead,

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Speaker 3: and he wants Machado put in. He doesn't want like,

517
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Speaker 3: he doesn't want a teaseful transition and elections. He wants

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Speaker 3: to install a South Florida puppet.

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Speaker 4: He definitely that's the problem, right, and he doesn't That's why.

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Speaker 3: She would get like four percent of the vote at

521
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Speaker 3: this point, so that you can't have an election.

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Speaker 4: The idea that they're going to make a deal with

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Speaker 4: Maduro to have two years of his vice president is

524
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Speaker 4: not happening. That's obviously a non starter. So it seems

525
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Speaker 4: like intentionally non starter. This is the case.

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Speaker 3: So also at this meeting, we can move over to

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Speaker 3: Pete Hegseth's troubles. Also at this meeting, hag Seth continued

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Speaker 3: to kind of back off of responsibility for the second

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Speaker 3: strike on September second that killed the survivors of the

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Speaker 3: first illegal strike. Let's roll be one here. I watched that.

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Speaker 7: First strike life.

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Speaker 5: As you can imagine, the Department of War, we got

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Speaker 5: a lot of things to do, so I didn't stick

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Speaker 5: around for the hour and two hours whatever where all

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Speaker 5: the sensitive side exploitation digitally occurs. So I moved on

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Speaker 5: to my next meeting. A couple of hours later, I learned.

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Speaker 4: That that commander had made the which he had the

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Speaker 4: complete authority to do.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, Admiral Bradley made the correct decision

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Speaker 5: to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat.

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Speaker 4: He sunk the boat, sunk the boat and.

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Speaker 3: Eliminated the threat, and he was the right call.

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Speaker 4: We have his back.

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Speaker 5: You didn't see any survivors, to be clear, after that

545
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Speaker 5: first rut, I did not personally see survivors, but I

546
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Speaker 5: stand because the thing was on fire. I was exploded

547
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Speaker 5: in fire and smoke. You can't see any you got digital'.

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Speaker 5: This is called the folk of war. This is what

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Speaker 5: you and the press don't understand. You sit in your

550
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Speaker 5: conditioned offices or up on Capitol Hill and you nit pick,

551
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Speaker 5: and you plant fake stories in the Washington Post about

552
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Speaker 5: kill everybody, phrases on anonymous sources, not based.

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Speaker 4: In anything, not based in any truth at all.

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Speaker 5: And then you want to throw up really irresponsible terms

555
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Speaker 5: about American heroes, about the judgment that they made. I

556
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Speaker 5: wrote a whole book on this topic because of what

557
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Speaker 5: politicians and the press does to war fire.

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Speaker 3: So, first of all, these are drone attacks that were

559
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Speaker 3: launching at these boats. Why are they not in air

560
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Speaker 3: conditioned offices? Also, it's like you reporters sitting in your

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Speaker 3: air conditioned office. What you're saying criticizing our commanders who

562
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Speaker 3: are also sitting in air conditioned office. Hey, if sentcom

563
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Speaker 3: is a little warm, like, get up and turn down

564
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Speaker 3: the thermostat you can do it. You can do that, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you can do it.

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Speaker 4: Well, And he's coming in Southcomb, sorry Southcomb. Yeah, he's

567
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Speaker 4: coming in real hot. Obviously, because they feel now with

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Speaker 4: the Washington Post report that the wind is at.

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Speaker 3: Their back and that they face in their face right.

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Speaker 4: Well, they feel like they have momentums. What I was saying,

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Speaker 4: like they feel like they hexeth I think feels really

572
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Speaker 4: comfortable right now. Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 3: I think they feel like it's because of the Times story.

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Speaker 4: Or the because the Times. The Times is pushback on

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Speaker 4: the Post report, which obviously the Time story and you've

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Speaker 4: been posting about this is planetical.

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Speaker 3: It was planted, but it was basically identical.

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Speaker 4: Well, but Hegseeth feels he's like completely off the hook now,

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Speaker 4: because that's a distinction with a difference whether or not

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Speaker 4: he came in and said out of here or whether

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Speaker 4: he just said kill everyone and the admiral was the

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Speaker 4: one who Here's.

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Speaker 3: Where I disagree with you because the Post story, the

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Speaker 3: one distinction is that the post has him saying kill everybody, right,

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Speaker 3: heg Seth acknowledges he ordered lethal kinetic strikes, yes, and

586
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Speaker 3: he keeps repeating this phrase lethal kinetic strikes, lethal connect

587
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Speaker 3: strike means kill everybody. Like, So what he's trying to

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Speaker 3: say is he didn't say it colloquially. He just said

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Speaker 3: it in the military term. But the Post story didn't

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Speaker 3: say that heg Seth ordered the second strike. What the

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Speaker 3: Post story said is that Bradley interpreted the lethal kinetic

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Speaker 3: strike order to mean that the second strike should be taken,

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Speaker 3: and the Time said the same thing. So that's why

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Speaker 3: I don't quite understand why he feels like he has

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Speaker 3: the wind in his back, And that's why I was like,

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Speaker 3: why why he's back? You're mixing up your metaform.

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Speaker 4: No, I think they I genuinely think they feel totally fine.

598
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Speaker 4: And you also saw he people on the internet thought

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Speaker 4: he was cooked because he had in early September three

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Speaker 4: September third, the day of the strike, said he watched

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Speaker 4: the whole thing. And now he's saying, well, yeah, but

602
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Speaker 4: you can't really tell in the moment exactly what's going on.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, all that is to say, I don't think

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Speaker 4: they're worried one bit when you look at the way

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Speaker 4: hag Seth is talking about that. And Trump would pardon

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Speaker 4: them anyway, even even if there were a problem, Trump

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Speaker 4: would pardon them.

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Speaker 3: Trump would part yeah, Trump, Yeah, Trump doesn't care. But

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Speaker 3: Trump does care about the bad press. He always ask

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Speaker 3: how's this playing, how's this playing? Yeah, And he doesn't

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Speaker 3: like that Republics are pushing back against him. Hegsa's whole

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Speaker 3: approach here. If you go back and look at the

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Speaker 3: time that he instituted new rules on the Pentagon and

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Speaker 3: basically kicked out the whole Pentagon press corps lines up

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Speaker 3: exactly with this, and so he so he kicks them

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Speaker 3: all out, tells them, you know, any if you want

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Speaker 3: to come and cover the Pentagon. You have to agree

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Speaker 3: only to speak to authorized sources. You cannot solicit information

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Speaker 3: from unauthorized sources. Another word for that is reporting. It's

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Speaker 3: like a journalism and then you can come into our

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Speaker 3: press briefings and then you can get a Pentagon access.

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Speaker 3: And he got what he wanted. So here is how

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Speaker 3: this new press core is covering this issue. Let's roll

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Speaker 3: be two.

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Speaker 7: Does the Department of War plan on pursuing any sort

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Speaker 7: of legal action against the Washington Post And what consequences

627
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Speaker 7: will there be for lying to the American people, because

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Speaker 7: of course, the implication there was that Pete Hegseth and

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Speaker 7: Admiral Bradley are war criminals.

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Speaker 8: It is frankly disgusting that the Washington Post would publish

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Speaker 8: something that is so insanely false. And we've seen this

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Speaker 8: from the mainstream media before, right anonymous sources that are

633
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Speaker 8: being quoted that probably have no idea what's going on.

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Speaker 8: And the Washington Post actually went so far as to

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Speaker 8: falsely attribute a quote to the Secretary of Defense of

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Speaker 8: War excuse me that he never said. That is preposterous

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Speaker 8: that they would write that and pass that off as

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Speaker 8: true journalism. So the Washington Post, I think readership should

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Speaker 8: think twice before reading that outlet again. It is disgraceful

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Speaker 8: that they call themselves journalists, and we told them as such.

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Speaker 8: Right we get press queries like we do from all

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Speaker 8: of you. We told them this story was completely fake

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Speaker 8: news on Thanksgiving evening with a three hour deadline, and

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Speaker 8: they still published it anyway. It's disgraceful.

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Speaker 4: My point, fair is they are feeling pretty good now.

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Speaker 4: I feel like they think they flipped the narrative, and

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Speaker 4: I think that's why you saw Hegsith going in so

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Speaker 4: hot at the cabinet meeting and they're now having reporters.

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Speaker 4: If you were listening to this, you missed on the

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Speaker 4: corner of the screen.

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Speaker 3: Matt Gates and right behind him James O'Keeffe.

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Speaker 4: James O'Keeffe right behind him.

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Speaker 3: So the Pentagon this is an SNL called open that

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Speaker 3: was indistinguishable from an SNL called open.

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Speaker 4: That clip was from a Pentagon press conference was about

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Speaker 4: half hour long yesterday where the new Pentagon Press corps

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Speaker 4: is all like MAGA new Media and Matt Gates, former

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Speaker 4: Congressman Matt Gates was there, actually asked a good regime

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Speaker 4: change venezuela question I don't know what you thought about

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Speaker 4: Kates this question, but he was the question what's your plan?

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Speaker 4: And he was wearing his representative, Matt Gates.

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Speaker 3: She didn't even understand the question. If she did, she

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Speaker 3: answered a completely different question. It seemed like she didn't

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Speaker 3: even understand it. He asked, hey, when did the Iraq

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Speaker 3: war debatification turned hundreds of thousands of just regular government

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Speaker 3: employees into insurgents? Like, do you have a plan to

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Speaker 3: not do that again? Or is everybody associated with the

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Speaker 3: Maduro government going to be considered a narco terrorist? And

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Speaker 3: she answered, everyone in those boats, according to our intelligence,

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Speaker 3: is an narco trafficker. It's like, okay, you didn't listen

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Speaker 3: to the question. You didn't understand it. You don't know

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Speaker 3: about the batification. I mean, she would have been like

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Speaker 3: three at that at that time, I don't know how

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Speaker 3: old she is. She's like, can we just get back

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Speaker 3: to that guy who's asking if we're going to sue

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Speaker 3: the Washington Post?

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Speaker 4: Right? Correct?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they suck right. They call themselves journalists. You all

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Speaker 3: are journalists.

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Speaker 4: It's an amazing setup.

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Speaker 3: We gave you a little badge that says journalists.

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Speaker 4: How bad is the Washington Post?

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Speaker 3: Kings very very bad, good question, excellent question. They are terrible.

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Speaker 4: Laura Lumer was also there.

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Speaker 3: She was she asked an adversarial question was fine. Yah'll

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Speaker 3: give her that.

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Speaker 4: It was fine, bonkers, but she wasn't asking how bad

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Speaker 4: is the Washington Price?

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Speaker 3: Right? She asked, Muslim brotherhood is evil, So therefore, and

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Speaker 3: you're and you're designated some of them as terrorists, so

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Speaker 3: shouldn't you stop cuts her from using this American airbase?

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Speaker 4: I actually think that's a fine question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially from her right wing like she hates Muslims perspective. Question, like,

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Speaker 3: it's at least adversarial. Yeah, it's done the lineup with

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Speaker 3: my politics. That's not what I asked for in a journal.

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Speaker 3: It's just adversarials all I asked.

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Speaker 4: And then there were the It was peppered with questions

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Speaker 4: from guys like that who were like, tell us, how

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Speaker 4: hard do you think you could smack the Washington Post

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Speaker 4: in the mouth? Kingsley That Yeah, three.

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Speaker 3: Hour deadline on Thanksgiving that's kind of dirty.

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Speaker 4: That's shitty. That's not good. That's true. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if that's true, but that's not good. If that's what happened, that's.

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Speaker 3: When you know, you have the story completely nailed and

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Speaker 3: you're not actually interested in hearing the lies from the government.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I'm sure their sources told them with

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Speaker 4: great confidence what they were telling them, and so they

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Speaker 4: probably I mean they.

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Speaker 3: Have in the room notes from the meeting. Like, if

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Speaker 3: you don't report that without confidence.

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Speaker 4: If you have high level sources who are telling you

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Speaker 4: that the story might be incorrect, do your due diligence.

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Speaker 4: But you also still have two high level sources telling

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Speaker 4: you that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know, I don't know who knows what

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Speaker 4: went wrong on that story, if anything, but man, what

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Speaker 4: a what a time at the Pensgon.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, let's move to.

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Speaker 4: Tennessee, where Afton Bain did lose that special election last night,

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Speaker 4: but the margin was single digits. So this is a

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Speaker 4: plus twenty plus twenty two GOP district that Afton Baine

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Speaker 4: was expected to eat away that margin and did again

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Speaker 4: twenty two. She loses after Bain loses by eight points

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Speaker 4: to Republican Matt Van Epps. Eight points is in margin

726
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Speaker 4: Republicans are still feeling pretty comfortable about. I saw some

727
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Speaker 4: in the GOP consultant type world, like Matt Whitlock saying

728
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Speaker 4: it's basically a five alum fire because if there are

729
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Speaker 4: margin erosions like this for team points in other swing

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Speaker 4: districts in the midterms, that's going to be a bloodbath

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Speaker 4: for House Republicans. Obviously, that math is true. Right on

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Speaker 4: the other hand, special elections or special elections, we could

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Speaker 4: put see one on the screen. These are the results,

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Speaker 4: and this is Tennessee seventh obviously to replace Mark Green,

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Speaker 4: about ninety seven thousand votes as of right now, ninety

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Speaker 4: five percent of votes in for Van Abson, about eighty

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Speaker 4: one thousand votes for Afton Baines. So we're looking at

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Speaker 4: fifty four to forty five basically, and Afton bain I

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Speaker 4: think Ryan coming to forty five nearly half of the

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Speaker 4: electorate is definitely a win for populists. She didn't get

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Speaker 4: it quite as close as people wanted to. Some people

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Speaker 4: thought maybe she actually had a chance to win. Didn't

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Speaker 4: come down to anything quite that close.

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Speaker 3: In order to win, she would have needed kind of

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Speaker 3: this this almost contradictory situation, which would have been enormous

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Speaker 3: excitement on the Democratic side, very little attention from the

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Speaker 3: Republican side. And so you've had this debate Breakout online,

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Speaker 3: which has said that Afton Bain was too left, you

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Speaker 3: know for the district. So you've got the Galasias types

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Speaker 3: saying if they had run a very boring centrist candidate

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Speaker 3: who you couldn't hit with anything, then actually she would

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Speaker 3: have she would have performed even better.

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Speaker 5: Wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the problem the problem with that analysis, and besides

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Speaker 3: just vibes and feelings and like the you know, biased

756
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Speaker 3: because we like her and when I share politics, the

757
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Speaker 3: problem with that analysis is that she blew it out

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Speaker 3: of the water in Nashville, and you know, she wins,

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Speaker 3: you know, seventy eight twenty two there expanded her margin

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Speaker 3: over Harris By like thirty or.

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Speaker 4: Something like, which, by the way, is kind of ironic

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Speaker 4: because the people in Nashville are the people who actually

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Speaker 4: love Nashville, who should have been devastated by that clip

764
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Speaker 4: of after Bain saying she hated Nashville and the people

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Speaker 4: outside of Nashville are already going to be the ones

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Speaker 4: that are.

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Speaker 3: The ones they actually do hate just a little point. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And what Bain was saying also was she hates the

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Speaker 3: Times Square tourist part of Nashville. So she also had

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Speaker 3: this one quote that was in every ad where she

771
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Speaker 3: said I'm a very radical person, and so the centrists

772
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Speaker 3: are like, that's that's that kills you. It's like, okay,

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Speaker 3: But the fact that she had so much support among

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Speaker 3: Democrats created a situation where she had thousands of door

775
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Speaker 3: knockers and you know, phone bankers and an enthusiastic base

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Speaker 3: of support that then put her within two percentage points

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Speaker 3: in the polls, which then brought in millions of dollars

778
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Speaker 3: from Republicans. So it's sort of like a chicken and

779
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Speaker 3: egg situation. Like, Okay, if you have a boring candidate

780
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Speaker 3: who doesn't generate any excitement among Demo then it's true

781
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Speaker 3: that you might not get the millions of dollars being

782
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Speaker 3: spent by Republicans, and then in a super low turnout

783
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Speaker 3: special election, you might be able to eke out those

784
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Speaker 3: last nine points and you might be able to claim

785
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Speaker 3: that district. But the problem let's even say that that's possible.

786
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Speaker 3: The problem there is that that's not representative of what

787
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Speaker 3: the midterms are going to look like. So turnout wound

788
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 3: up being roughly what it was I think in twenty

789
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Speaker 3: twenty two in this special election, which is really unusual,

790
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Speaker 3: like it's hard to match up midterm with a special

791
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 3: election turnout, So people were tuned in here. And why

792
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Speaker 3: that matters is that in the upcoming midterms of twenty

793
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Speaker 3: twenty six, you're not going to be able to sneak

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Speaker 3: through like everybody's going to know there's an election happening,

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Speaker 3: So you actually want to play. If this is an

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Speaker 3: exhibition match, you want to play on as similar conditions

797
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Speaker 3: as possible to the regular midterms. So now you know

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Speaker 3: that in a district like this plus twenty twenty plus

799
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Speaker 3: district Republican district, you can look for about a thirteen

800
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Speaker 3: point swing, thirteen fourteen point swing, whereas if you ran

801
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Speaker 3: some boring Centrists who snuck through just based on anti

802
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 3: Trump turnout, that doesn't tell you as much. So that

803
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: that would be my counter argument to the Iglesias types

804
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: that you might might actually be right that if you

805
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: could have kept turnout fifty to half of what it was,

806
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: that maybe enough of that tilt's democratic. But so what

807
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: like you then get annihilated in November in that same district.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think Ashon Bain no offense is the

809
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Speaker 4: best candidate. I don't think anyone would say that somebody

810
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Speaker 4: who had such a candid pod podcast is the best kid.

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Speaker 3: You should have said it was PTSD from the war,

812
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Speaker 3: thing like that. But the idea of that culture wars

813
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Speaker 3: PTSD from the culture from the.

814
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Speaker 4: Culture was, well, we all have that. But the idea

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Speaker 4: that that this debunks the point that populists make, and

816
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Speaker 4: I should say populist on the left and the right.

817
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Speaker 4: This goes back to Barry Goldwater. Literally, this goes back

818
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Speaker 4: to Ronald Reagan. Goldwater had the line of extremism and

819
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Speaker 4: defense of liberty is no vice, and what was it,

820
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Speaker 4: moderation and preciative justice is no virtue. And that was

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Speaker 4: basically to say these electability questions that you know are

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Speaker 4: going to send Gerald Ford or whomever, aren't necessarily I mean,

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Speaker 4: Reagan himself said bold colors with pale paint, with bold

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Speaker 4: colors instead of pale pastels. And the argument was that

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Speaker 4: the Reagan Revolution would be politically more powerful than moderate

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Speaker 4: Republicans at the ballot box because people are actually going

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Speaker 4: to believe what you say. People are actually or they're

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Speaker 4: going to believe you believe what you say. They may

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Speaker 4: not agree with you one hundred percent of the time,

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Speaker 4: but it's obviously a race by race designation. I mean,

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Speaker 4: if you're talking about running somebody who's super super maga

832
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Speaker 4: in you know, the Boston area, it's probably actually not

833
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 4: going to improve your margins. But in a special election

834
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Speaker 4: where you can flood the zone and you know, maybe

835
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Speaker 4: try to sneak someone past, that is different. So at

836
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Speaker 4: the other what was the Pennsylvania race not doctor oz

837
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Speaker 4: should I'm forgetting the really super maga candidate's name who

838
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Speaker 4: lost any like, probably lost Maston because Doug mashroon because

839
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Speaker 4: he was like right, you know what I mean? Like that,

840
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Speaker 4: those sometimes it's obvious that you needed just a better candidate,

841
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Speaker 4: but that will always get used to say, oh, it

842
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Speaker 4: was it's populism that's killing though, And sometimes you get

843
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Speaker 4: kookie populist candidates Christine O'Donnell example, that's a fun throwback

844
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 4: and the problem really is the candidate, but it's often

845
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Speaker 4: used as a smoke screen to say the populism was

846
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Speaker 4: the problem, not the candidate was the problem. Because populism

847
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Speaker 4: can be extremely energizing, especially in little special election type

848
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Speaker 4: races where you can send in a lot of money

849
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Speaker 4: and the base gets really excited and you bring attention

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Speaker 4: to the race. One final point, you made a really

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Speaker 4: interesting observation that if they thought they could sneak after

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Speaker 4: Bane past, they actually ended up getting a ton of

853
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Speaker 4: Fox News coverage for the race, which probably woke up

854
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Speaker 4: a bunch of Republicans in the area, Like they were

855
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Speaker 4: covering this race.

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Speaker 3: A ton, right, right, So if you and maybe they

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Speaker 3: would have ended up covering any race at time, just

858
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Speaker 3: because there would be enough anti Trump energy that the

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Speaker 3: polls would show at least the competitive race, it certainly

860
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Speaker 3: made it more salacious that that they had the like

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Speaker 3: I hate country music, and I hate Nashville, and I'm

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Speaker 3: a radical person and you know all that well you

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Speaker 3: know video of her like you know, doing a sit

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Speaker 3: in and the state legislature, and they had they had

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Speaker 3: stuff to work with that that got the Fox News

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Speaker 3: bas riled up. Nashville. Twenty point swing, so even in

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Speaker 3: Nashville it didn't quite swing enough.

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Speaker 4: That's it's significant though.

869
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: Twenty point swing is massive. Yeah, you don't see that

870
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 3: much in politics, especially with turnout that high right low

871
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 3: turnout in Nashville. Maybe you see a forty point swing,

872
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,479
Speaker 3: but it's a much narrower number of aggregate votes.

873
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 4: A Republican candidate could campaign on saying they hated Nashville

874
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 4: in Tennessee and everyone would know what they were talking about.

875
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 4: And that's increasingly about to happen, like, oh, the traffic,

876
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 4: all the New York Libs and the LA Libs all

877
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 4: moving to Nashville. So it's actually kind of funny.

878
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've been running against the cities for two hundred years.

879
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: It's funny, Yeah, two thousand years.

880
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 4: Maybe let's take a trip over to Nebraska, Ryan where

881
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 4: the Tyson Beef, where Tyson Beef is just shedding thousands

882
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 4: of jobs in a new announcement.

883
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, heartbreaking story, but it doesn't have to be over. Yes,

884
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: if the federal government takes this sea, obviously they could

885
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 3: reverse this. So put up the first element here. So

886
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 3: about a week and a half ago, Tyson announced that

887
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: it would be closing one of the largest beef processing

888
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: plants in Nebraska in the town of Lexington. So this

889
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: is a processing plant that employs thirty two hundred people

890
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: in this town of just ten thousand people. But importantly,

891
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: it will also have national implications, and it doesn't have

892
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 3: to happen. The federal government could step in and stop

893
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 3: this because it is probably illegal, and we'll talk about

894
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 3: why in a second. But just for some background, nearly

895
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 3: five percent of the cattle that is slaughtered every day

896
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: goes through this processing plant, five percent in the whole country.

897
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: Fifteen percent of the slaughter that goes through in Nebraska

898
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: every day goes through this processing plant. Now, what the

899
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: mainstream press is reporting about the closure of this plant

900
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: is that this is because the size of the herd

901
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 3: is down and there's there's less cattle going through every plant.

902
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty one, the herd size was ninety four million.

903
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 3: Last year the herd size was eighty seven million, so,

904
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: you know, down down seven million cattle. Significant reason for

905
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 3: that is that in May of this year, the Trump

906
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 3: administration banned the importation of Mexican cattle because of this parasite.

907
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 3: So I'm not saying that that was a bad move,

908
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 3: not blaming Trump for that necessarily, because this is a

909
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 3: parasite that would be devastating, you know, to the to

910
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 3: the US cattle industry if it creeped, you know, across

911
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 3: across the border. So the press seems to be mostly

912
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: satisfied with this with this answer that this is about

913
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: the number of number of cattle declining, So you have,

914
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: so we got to know, shut down this processing plant.

915
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 3: And it's a shame for this town of ten thousand. Now,

916
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: as you think about what's going to happen to this town,

917
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 3: you put up this next element. About a week after

918
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 3: it was announced this plant was closed, a contractor for Tyson,

919
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 3: who basically was contracted to like trash and clean up

920
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 3: around the plant, said it would be laying off. It's

921
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty nine workers, So thirty two hundred workers.

922
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Speaker 3: Icet add another one hundred and thirty nine workers. And

923
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 3: then if you think about it from there, everywhere that

924
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: these workers go is now screwed. Fast food restaurants, regular restaurants,

925
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 3: shopping centers, everywhere. This is like, this town will be

926
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 3: wiped off the map if this is allowed to stand.

927
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 3: But so I handed earlier, why might this be ilegal?

928
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 3: Dan Osborne is making this point. So Dan Osborne, as

929
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: viewers may recall, was the independent Senate candidate who lost

930
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: to deb Fisher last time. But he's running again.

931
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 4: Who's the Pete Ricketts?

932
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 3: Pete Ricketts like a billionaire, right, yeah, Like it's almost

933
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 3: comical at this point. So he's running as a billionaire

934
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: senator named Pete Ricketts, give me a break. And so

935
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Speaker 3: he's making the point that this appears to be an

936
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 3: anti violation of anti trust law. So let's run through

937
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 3: Osborne's argument. We can unpack this. So he says, I

938
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,479
Speaker 3: believe Tyson's decision to shut down it's Lexington, Nebraska plant

939
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: instead of selling it is a ploy to manipulate cattle

940
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 3: and beef markets in violation of our anti trust laws.

941
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Speaker 3: Let's move to the next one. He says, we have

942
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 3: an anti trust law in the books right now called

943
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: the Packers and Stockyards Act. This law was passed in

944
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 3: nineteen twenty one to protect farmers and ranchers from concentrated

945
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 3: abuse of monopoly power in the livestock industry. The Act

946
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: makes it illegal for meat packers to quote engage in

947
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: any course of business or do any act for the

948
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 3: purpose or with the effect of, and that's important, manipulating

949
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 3: or controlling prices or restraining commerce unquote. By shutting the

950
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 3: plant down instead of selling it to a competitor, Tyson

951
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: is driving down the prices they have to pay to

952
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 3: ranchers for cattle and driving up the prices they can

953
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 3: charge to consumers for beef, which is the quote manipulating

954
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: or controlling price or restraining commerce part of the aforementioned Act.

955
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: This plant in Lexington he goes On accounted for five

956
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 3: percent of beef production in the US. By shutting down

957
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: a plant that produced such a large portion of beef

958
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 3: in this country, Tyson will cut demand for cattle and

959
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 3: reduce the number of buyers competing for ranchers livestock. With

960
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 3: this increased leverage, Tyson will be able to pay ranchers

961
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 3: less for their cattle because ranchers will have precious few

962
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 3: alternatives to sell to, if any. This is why a

963
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 3: monopolized food system is so dangerous. Nebraska ranchers will suffer

964
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 3: the most because they will lose a local buyer. Normally,

965
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 3: when a politician speaks, I would try to interpret it

966
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 3: a little bit for people and put it into language

967
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 3: that you canunderstand. But I don't think I need to

968
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 3: do that here. Emily, what was what did you think

969
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: when you saw this this news in Osborne's reaction.

970
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 4: To it, I mean, it's amazing how Dan Osborne, who

971
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 4: is getting some support from national dem organizations, is still

972
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 4: technically running as an independent. But this guy has his

973
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 4: finger on the pulse of the conversation in a way

974
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 4: that no establishment politicians do. And obviously Dan Osborne has

975
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 4: a background where you can see, I mean, you and

976
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 4: I talked about this a lot, like maybe the biggest

977
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 4: barrier to entry is just class in politics and journalism,

978
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 4: and Dan didn't come from the traditional political background. He's

979
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 4: still what just a couple of years into his political journey,

980
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 4: and it shows because he understands. But also I just

981
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 4: have to add, like this was a really sophisticated, I

982
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 4: think analysis.

983
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 3: Straightforward of how queen get it.

984
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 4: Concentrate power, I mean, and that is just it's it's

985
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 4: not just that it's it's hard for people to talk

986
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 4: about because they're taking a bunch of money from billionaires

987
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 4: or whatever is that they have never really bothered to

988
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 4: care and they don't understand that the average Nebraskan sees

989
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 4: this as kind of a class issue, Like obviously it's

990
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 4: going to have an economic devastating and devastating economic ripple effect,

991
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 4: but on top of that, it's also infuriating to people

992
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 4: because it looks like billionaires organizing the economy in a

993
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 4: way that they profit and the normal people get screwed.

994
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 4: And so there's just it's almost a culture war. You know,

995
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 4: it's it's economic superficially, but it's I think it hits

996
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 4: people as a culture war question, if that makes sense?

997
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think so. I mean, what could be

998
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 3: more culture war than destroying an entire town.

999
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 4: Right for multimillionaire billionaire profits. Yeah, massive corporations hurting the

1000
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 4: little guy, right, Like, that's what it is.

1001
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 3: And so that the counter argument that you'd see from

1002
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 3: folks who support the free market would be, well, a,

1003
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 3: they would just say, let companies do whatever they want,

1004
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 3: and we don't like federal laws like antitrust laws period.

1005
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 4: Oh, but they'll like the laws that help them consolidate

1006
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 4: their power.

1007
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 3: They do like that. But the other argument that they

1008
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 3: would make would be, well, Tyson has been reporting and

1009
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 3: its quarterly reports that it is losing money, losing significant

1010
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 3: amounts of money it is at its processing plants. That

1011
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 3: because the cattle hevert is down, that you know, they're

1012
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 3: they're operating at a loss, and you can't require them

1013
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 3: to operate a laws. I would say that they they are.

1014
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: What the counter argument to that would be that they're

1015
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 3: cooking the books, that because they have such market control,

1016
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 3: because they can because and because they are so friendly

1017
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 3: with the other big three you know companies, they're helping

1018
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 3: they're basically setting prices, and the the the processing plant

1019
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 3: part of their operation is overall a part of their

1020
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 3: price setting, and so they might be reporting on their

1021
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 3: on their books that they're you know, they're they're taking

1022
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 3: x loss when it comes to the processing. But the

1023
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 3: but the business that they're doing in the processing is

1024
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 3: directly related to their control of the supply that goes

1025
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 3: out to the market, which is related to their ability

1026
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 3: to set prices, which and they're doing quite well overall.

1027
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 3: So it's like, okay, you're not really okay, you're claiming

1028
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 3: to be losing money on the process, but actually it's

1029
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: it's furthering this extremely profitable monopolistic business that that you're operating,

1030
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 3: which will now be more profitable because of Osborne's point

1031
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 3: that now you're going to pay farmers less who are

1032
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 3: going to have to drive their cattle much further. Uh,

1033
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 3: and you're gonna you know, cut supply further, which allows

1034
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 3: you to then increase prices at the grocery store, right

1035
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 3: people who are buying beef.

1036
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 4: Well, by the way the Trump administration is talking constantly

1037
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 4: about beef prices and they're actually broke. Rollins talks about

1038
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 4: cattle like this is they know, they're populous enough to

1039
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 4: know that it's a serious concern and problem in the economy.

1040
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 4: And so that puts Pete Ricketts in a rather interesting

1041
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 4: position because Pete Ricketts is not really a populist. And

1042
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 4: so here you have the competition between Dan Osbourne, who's

1043
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 4: technically an independent, and a Republican who probably doesn't really

1044
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 4: want to talk about all this stuff, even though he's

1045
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 4: not like a he's not like a realignment Republican.

1046
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 3: He's not going to like to talk about this at all, right.

1047
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 4: And so it puts as it sets up a veeh,

1048
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 4: you don't.

1049
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 3: Want to say, such a shame. Yeah, And we should

1050
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 3: be there for the workers. We should retrain them exactly,

1051
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 3: learn to code.

1052
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 4: You can expect something that sounds a little bit like that.

1053
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 4: And this just underscores the point that we have to

1054
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 4: take a trip out to Nebraska to cover this campaign

1055
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 4: because it's really becoming interesting. It was always going to

1056
00:56:59,360 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 4: be interesting.

1057
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's a mechanic and he's the only major

1058
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: poll I know of. Was released by Osborne's campaign itself

1059
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 3: found him trailing forty six forty five to Rickets. So

1060
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 3: it's going it's going to be like this will be

1061
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 3: close a way. The new poll has him leading anyway,

1062
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 3: so it's it's going to be a close race. And

1063
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 3: I think that Osborne is going to just hammer this

1064
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 3: point over and over and if Trump So here's where

1065
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 3: politics and electoral politics can be useful. Like, hey, if

1066
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 3: you're in the Trump administration and you're watching and you

1067
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 3: want to deprive Osborne of this issue because you want

1068
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 3: to save your billion billionaire buddy Rickets, tell Tyson they

1069
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 3: have to keep the plan open that that you find

1070
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 3: it to be, tell them you find it to be

1071
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 3: in violation of the Anti Trust Act.

1072
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 4: They might do that to neutralize the problem.

1073
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 5: Do it.

1074
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 4: I mean, they obviously have a really closely divided Senate.

1075
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 4: The Senate is in competition, so they may honestly just

1076
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 4: do it.

1077
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 3: Like you let this plant close, you were probably gonna

1078
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 3: lect Osborne.

1079
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 4: The Tyson pack gives more to Republicans than Democrats that

1080
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 4: it probably doesn't surprise anyone, but I'm sure they have

1081
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Speaker 4: an open line of communication with Tyson and.

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Speaker 3: Let Ricketts take credit for it. Let him come in

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Speaker 3: be like, look, I saved this plant.

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Speaker 4: M maybe it'll happen, and like.

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Speaker 3: That the point is to make people's lives better. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: if this threat of Osborne, like, you know, one of

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Speaker 3: the things that was the best for American workers throughout

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Speaker 3: the second half of the twentieth century was the threat

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Speaker 3: of communism, and so American the American government and American

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Speaker 3: companies were much more generous to workers because of the threat.

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Speaker 3: Osborne is not the Soviet Union, but Osborne's threat. And like,

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Speaker 3: if you know, so keep the plan open or you

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Speaker 3: get Osborne? How about that? How's that for a deal?

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Speaker 4: What an interesting thing? Well, so, actually I was telling

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Speaker 4: Crystal this recently. I was you they were texting and

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Speaker 4: I was like, should I watch Roger and Me or

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Speaker 4: Bowling for Columbine? And you were like, I was trying

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Speaker 4: to choose between the two on a Friday nights love

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Speaker 4: a very exciting life, and Ryan, it was like, you

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Speaker 4: got to do Roger and Me. And it's funny because

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Speaker 4: Roger and Me is so coded like it was it

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Speaker 4: was then coded as like left wing hippie stuff, but

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Speaker 4: it's now so coded as a first Yeah, it's America first,

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Speaker 4: but what Roger and Me does a really good job

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Speaker 4: zooming into is how these plants are part of an

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Speaker 4: ecosystem and a really fragile ecosystem, and so what can

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Speaker 4: happen is sad, just like personally sad obviously, but also

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Speaker 4: it's like devastating a swath of a state of like

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Speaker 4: that that can when when it ripples out. It's not

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Speaker 4: just about the plant, it's not just about retraining those

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Speaker 4: workers telling them to learn to code. It can devastate

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Speaker 4: the culture of an entire region.

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Speaker 3: It's criminal, right, It's a crime visited upon this entire community.

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Speaker 4: And all that is to say, Dan Osborne is getting

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Speaker 4: out in front of this because he has good political

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Speaker 4: instincts and anybody who's who's not in Nebraska is behind

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Speaker 4: the ball like they're missing it.

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Speaker 3: Also, the other thing you could say is factory farming

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Speaker 3: is evil. So maybe the Trump administration actually is just

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Speaker 3: strongly against factory farming.

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Speaker 4: I want to know what Robert F. Kennedy j thinking about.

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Speaker 3: Deduced the amount of suffering from animals.

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Speaker 4: Let's hear from RFK Junior about the Tyson plant