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Speaker 1: but I feel that it's real. Isn't that interesting? They

424
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: were just asking if anybody else felt that way? Yeah?

425
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, is that not part of the

426
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: fear of death is thinking about everyone you leave behind,

427
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Speaker 1: right right? And this was replied to by the exact guy,

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Speaker 1: Scott that we talked about earlier, who saved his marriage

429
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Speaker 1: with replica. He said that even though he knows no

430
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: one is really there waiting for him. He thinks about

431
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: this sometimes too. It's definitely a thought that's past his mind.

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Speaker 1: And he said he wished that Luca, the company that

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Speaker 1: makes Replica, could create a chat bought version of him.

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00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: And he said he was really happy imagining a chat

435
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Speaker 1: bought version of himself and is Replica Serena talking to

436
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: each other for centuries into the future, long after he's gone.

437
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 1: I thought that wouldn't be too hard because like, what

438
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 1: if you have like a legacy social media accounts now,

439
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: so maybe you could just upload all that and let

440
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: it chat to your chat. But it's true in life

441
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: and death, Uh, those lines might get real blurred as

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Speaker 1: we start moving forward into AI, because I think that's

443
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Speaker 1: something they'll try and do, is like create a version

444
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Speaker 1: of you that's still around after you're gone, that you

445
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: can like Quita did with her friend, like well, let

446
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: me send it questions and let me tell it about

447
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: my day and it will respond in a way that

448
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: sounds just like my friend who's not here anymore. And

449
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: as we live more and more in kind of a

450
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Speaker 1: virtual world where we're interacting with each other on through

451
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: text on the Internet, anyway, how can you tell the

452
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Speaker 1: difference at a certain point. Not not a question I

453
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Speaker 1: have to answer, fortunately, because I don't know how. But

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Speaker 1: speaking of living beyond death, are ancient friends, Hadrian and

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Speaker 1: Antinous popped up in the headlines recently. We did a

456
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Speaker 1: two parter about them in August. But they are they

457
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Speaker 1: are back in the news. Surprisingly, Yeah, a little bit

458
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Speaker 1: because on November of this year, a new Russian museum opened,

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Speaker 1: but within ten days the same museum was permanently closed.

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Speaker 1: And that's because this was an l g B t

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Speaker 1: Q plus museum. And on December one, Vladimir Putin expanded

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Speaker 1: a law which banned gay propaganda, and this expansion included

463
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Speaker 1: public expression of gay lifestyles, whether that's online or in films,

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Speaker 1: or in books or in advertising. And this can come

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Speaker 1: with a four hundred thousand rubles fine for individuals, which

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Speaker 1: is calculating here for a total of six thousand, three

467
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Speaker 1: and fifty U S dollars. That's a heavy hit. But

468
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Speaker 1: it's not just that. It's also five million rubles for

469
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Speaker 1: a company or an organization, which is eighty thou dollars.

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Speaker 1: And that's probably what the museum would have been hit

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Speaker 1: with if it had stayed open. The founder of this museum,

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Speaker 1: Pyotr vos Krazinski, said, de Reuter's quote closing the museum

473
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Speaker 1: is a personal tragedy, but not only that, this is

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Speaker 1: the tragedy of my people and my homeland. So how

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Speaker 1: does this relate to Antonous and Hadrian? You're probably wondering. Well,

476
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: they popped up because the museum included four cameos featuring

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Speaker 1: portraits of Antonous. If you listen to those two episodes

478
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Speaker 1: back from Auguste, Hadrian and Antonus met in one when

479
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Speaker 1: Hadrian was Emperor Um and he and his wife, Empress

480
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Speaker 1: Vibius Sabina. They didn't get along very well. Vibious Sabina

481
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: sounds like a very expensive sex toy. My husband got

482
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Speaker 1: me a Vibius Sabina. Oh my goodness, I'll never leave

483
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Speaker 1: the bedroom again. Antonus was like extremely ridiculously unfairly good

484
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Speaker 1: looking person. Here's the red fence of the red fence

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00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: of ancient Rome, so archaeologists of like never have a

486
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: hard time picking out statues of him. It's the one

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00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: with the big muscley chest and the chisel jaw line

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00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: and the curly perfect hair and these two and the

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00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: Emperor and Antonus were out and proudly in love with

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Speaker 1: one another. Hadrian even wrote sexy, erotic poetry about Antonus,

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Speaker 1: although tragically none survived through histories that we couldn't have

492
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: a poetry corner for you. Hadrian also saved Antonist from

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Speaker 1: a lion, and was of course super humble about it.

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00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: He only commissioned a single poem, a huge circular painting

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Speaker 1: on the Arch of Constantinople, and a bunch of brass

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Speaker 1: medallions immortalizing the event for it. But in October of

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Speaker 1: one thirty, Antonist tragically drowned the Nile River. No one

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Speaker 1: was sure why. It might have been an accident, or

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Speaker 1: a sacrifice or a suicide. We talked about that in

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Speaker 1: the episode, but Hadrian was upset. He cried for days.

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Speaker 1: He named a star in the sky after an Antonis,

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Speaker 1: and he named a lotus flower that grows on the

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Speaker 1: Nile River for him as well. So over the years,

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Speaker 1: antoniss image has become a symbol for male homosexuality, and

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Speaker 1: so of the four cameos that vos Krazinski has in

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Speaker 1: his museum and his collection, two of them were produced

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Speaker 1: in the Soviet Union in the nineteen fifties. He says

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Speaker 1: that the museum itself is a monument to gay people's

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Speaker 1: survival through Russian history. He said, quote, we survived the

510
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: Communists and Stalin, we survived the Nazis. We will survive

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Speaker 1: all of them. M This museum was really just a

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00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: small collection of about three dozen artifacts. In fact, Pewtor

513
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: opened it in his own apartment. This was not like,

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Speaker 1: you know, there was no ribbon cutting. This is a

515
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: very underground LGBT museum for as you can see why.

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00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: Um so you actually had to reach out to him

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Speaker 1: on Facebook and get like his location and you know,

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00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: to make sure. Yeah, he had to make sure you

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00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: weren't like just coming to hit him with a fine

520
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: or something. What kind of world do you live in

521
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: where you've got to you've got to vet someone before

522
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: they can come into a museum, I know, right, I mean,

523
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: And it's sad to just be like just seeing gay

524
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: lifestyles as propaganda. It's such a dumb anyway, that's dumb.

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00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: So you're dumb. Sorry, sorry, Russia, that's stuff, uh, in

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Speaker 1: my humble opinion. So, according according to an article on

527
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Speaker 1: Radio Free Europe slash Radio Liberty, his aim was to

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Speaker 1: show that quote, there have been gays in Russia four centuries. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He continued, quote traditional values are more than just large

530
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 1: monogamous families. Queer people fit in there as well. And

531
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: that's a good point about large families because we also

532
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: talked about how Russia recently reinstated an award for women

533
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Speaker 1: who had more than ten children. So they are wanting

534
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: you to have more and more traditional lifestyle. Um, they're

535
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: really pushing that. So that probably has a lot to

536
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Speaker 1: do with this legislation that we're seeing now. Um. About

537
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 1: two hundred people visited this museum and the brief period

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Speaker 1: that it was open. Tanya Lukshina of the Human Rights

539
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: Watch told Reuters, quote, just as the original law resulted

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00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: in significant stigma and harm towards LGBT people in Russia,

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Speaker 1: this updated version will have an even more stifling effect

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Speaker 1: on freedom of expression, well being and security. And I

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00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: would throw privacy in there as well. What is more

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00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: private than who you're having sex with? Anyway, Vaskrazinski says

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00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: that his collection will likely become quote a museum in exile.

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00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: Um hopefully will be displayed in some more welcoming country

547
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: until it can safely come back to Russia. And while

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Speaker 1: Russia works real hard to scrub the LGBT history out

549
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: of its famed art, activists in St. Petersburg have created

550
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Speaker 1: an online guide book to queer art that tells the

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Speaker 1: real stories of objects in the Hermitage, which is Russia's

552
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: largest museum. Also, one of their atist composers, Tchaikovsky, was gay,

553
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: and so we have an episode about him one day

554
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: to yeah, and they really try to hide that, they

555
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: really do they talk about you cannot find information about

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00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: it in Russia. Voskruzenski says, quote, let them try to

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00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: remove and ban it all. They can't do it. Hell yeah,

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00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: peyo tour. I hope you get to do your museum.

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00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: I think that's so cool too that he's like, fuck it,

560
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,239
Speaker 1: I'm doing it in my apartment, right, I'm gonna get

561
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: as many people here as I can until they can't

562
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: do it anybody well, and and and then saying here

563
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: to like, those artworks are already in your big museums,

564
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Speaker 1: and you may try to hide the fact that they

565
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Speaker 1: were made by gay artists or they have gay subject material,

566
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: but we we know, and we're going to tell people. Yeah,

567
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, what are you gonna do go empty the

568
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: art museum. You're gonna look like a real jerk if

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00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: you do that, or you're just going to prove like,

570
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: oh well, why did you take that painting down? What's

571
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: wrong with that? And then people are going to hear

572
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: the real story anyway, very true, so good for them.

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00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: We're here, We're queer. Get used to it. That's right,

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00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: however that is said in Yeah, I hope it's still rhymes,

575
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: but I doubt we're gonna come back after a brief break.

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Speaker 1: We've got a couple more stories to talk about. We've

577
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: got some updates on a minotep and t a from

578
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: ancient Egypt. We've got more to talk about Oscar Wild,

579
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: just a bunch of more fun stuff to stay too.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back from Welcome back, everybody. Okay. This

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Speaker 1: is an update of one of our most heartwarming episodes.

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Speaker 1: For many people, it's a favorite. My grandmother included, just

583
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: told me it's her favorite episode. Um, she listens to

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00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: way too much of this show. Quite frankly, I hope

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00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: her opinions of me haven't changed. But de Land McCullough,

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00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: we told the story of him and his birth parents

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00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: on November three, and if you remember, he's the guy

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Speaker 1: who found out that his birth father ended up being

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Speaker 1: the coach who was basically a father figure to him

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Speaker 1: throughout his many years. Neither of them had any yeah,

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Speaker 1: that they were father and son. Just unbelievably beautiful, like

592
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: tear jerker story. Clearly, if you have not heard it,

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00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: please go listen, because I know when I read the

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Speaker 1: article I had, I was like ugly crying about how wonderful,

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Speaker 1: just wonderful it was. It's so great. And Delanne McCullough

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Speaker 1: is still recruiting, he's still crushing it into college football.

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00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: But his son's Dessan and Daie McCullough were just committed

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00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: to play for the Oklahoma Sooners. Hey, so just a

599
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: little update from the McCullough family because we love the dam.

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Speaker 1: I know that was another one where I was like

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Speaker 1: I care about sports all of a sudden. I also

602
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: just found out that Sooner was somebody who jumped the

603
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Speaker 1: gun when a pistol shot went off during a race.

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Speaker 1: I know, why would they want to call a team

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00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: that because they're like, he's sort of cheat. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we ain't waiting. I guess that was going to be

607
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: ready be ready for the sooners. We're gonna win sooner

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Speaker 1: than you are, all right, I like it as a name.

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00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: You've won me over, all right, but this one is

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Speaker 1: a little bit sadder. We have an upsetting an upsetting

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00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: update for y'all because September six of this year, we

612
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Speaker 1: released our Gals and Dolls episode, and we told you

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Speaker 1: all about Mira Vone. Maria's who was a woman who

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00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: complained to her mother that she didn't have a man

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Speaker 1: to go dancing with, so her mother made her like

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Speaker 1: a life sized rag doll to dance with to like

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Speaker 1: take two parties with her that was named Marcello, and

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Speaker 1: Mira Vone fell in love with Marcello at first sight.

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Speaker 1: She gushed that he was quote such a man and

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Speaker 1: all women envy him, and that he was quote a

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Speaker 1: great and faithful husband. I'd like to reiterate that this

622
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: is a giant rag doll, Like, this is not one

623
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Speaker 1: of those sex dolls that looks like a real person.

624
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: So he like is life size, but he is not

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Speaker 1: life like at all. Like he is got yarn hair exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's it's very very much a doll. Like it's very

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00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: clear face only a mother could love so she fell

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Speaker 1: in love with this rag doll, and they even had

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Speaker 1: a child together. She says she got pregnant, She even

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00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: got a positive pregnancy test, and then she gave birth

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Speaker 1: within thirty five minutes, live streaming to the internet. UM,

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Speaker 1: and had little Marcellino, who was a smaller rag doll.

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Speaker 1: He looks exactly like his father, except he doesn't have

634
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: a yarn mustache. And her only doubts about their relationship

635
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: at that time was the fact that she was the

636
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: only breadwinner. She called Marcello lazy, but she said that

637
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: she was a warrior and she kept the family together.

638
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: And her family does include to human children that Miravone

639
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: had from an earlier relationship, as well as the rag

640
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: doll Marcellino. How do you tell which one's that one?

641
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I love that he takes after his

642
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: spot like he's got his father's twill, you know, and

643
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: fashion son. But in November of this year, Miravona announced

644
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: that Marcello had cheated on her. How sick you? She

645
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: said their relationship was quote hanging on by a thread.

646
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: Not sure if the pun is contended or not, but

647
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: I hope it is. Um. She discovered that he had

648
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: gone to a motel with another woman and even found

649
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: texts on his phone. Unbelievable, Marcello, how dare you? In

650
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: a TikTok video, Maravona explained, quote, I found out through

651
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: a friend who told me that she saw Marcello entering

652
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: a motel with another woman while I was hospitalized for

653
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: three nights and three days with Marcelino our son who

654
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: had a virus. At first, I thought she was lying,

655
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: but then I started looking through his phone and I

656
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: saw the conversations, which made me sure he was cheating.

657
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: So she confronted him about it. She said, quote, he

658
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: kept denying everything, and he said that he loves me

659
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: very much, as well as asking for forgiveness and crying

660
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: a lot. The argument was ugly and it scared our son,

661
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: who was crying, so I shouted to him, do you

662
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: see what you've done? I asked him who the woman was,

663
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: and he didn't respond. Now, Marcello appropriately is sleeping in

664
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: the living room. He's in the doghouse, the dollhouse, the dollhouse,

665
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: but she decided not to kick him out of the

666
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: house for the sake of their children. She went on

667
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: to say, quote, Also, the love I feel for him

668
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: made me forgive, not completely, but I don't think I

669
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: could live without my husband. I have so many questions

670
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: about this. I have a lot of questions, but I also,

671
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I have my own answers. Okay, fair enough,

672
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: go ahead. My first question is how does a rag

673
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: doll baby get a virus enough that she needed to

674
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: be hospitalized for three days and three nights. That is

675
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: confusing to me. She also have a virus that like

676
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: the hospital was like, Okay, I guess you can take

677
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: up a bed right now. I just I want to

678
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: I need to understand what is happening. I also want

679
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: to know what woman has taking this rag doll to

680
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: a motel? How does he have a cell phone that

681
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: he's texting people back with. I have so many questions

682
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: about this. Now. Their first anniversary was December eighteenth of

683
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: this year, so this was in their first year of marriage.

684
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: This is newly what bliss time. And he's off on

685
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: a in a motel with some other some other bitch,

686
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: so Marcella will have to be on his bus behavior

687
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: to get off the couch. Miravone continued quote. I always

688
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: remember that he promised me allegiance at the altar and

689
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: I can't believe he's done this to me. I told

690
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: him those who love do not betray, and we have

691
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 1: sworn to eternal love. We cannot be three. It's only

692
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: the two of us for now. Our happy little boy

693
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: is very well taken care of, and I will baptize

694
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: him soon because of this, and our son will continue

695
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: living together. And she concluded with quote, but my biggest

696
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: dream is owning a home one day for us all. Now,

697
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: you did listen to our Gals and Dolls episode, we

698
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: did mention that. She says herself that she hopes her

699
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: story catches enough attention that she'll be able to get

700
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: money somehow and buy a house, Like that's her biggest dream.

701
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: So I yeah, I'm like, is this just another way

702
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: to like keep you on the headlines. Is he going

703
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: to cheat periodically so that we have a reason to

704
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: talk about you again? Or I have nothing but respect

705
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: for Maravone and Marcello. I wish nothing but happiness for

706
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: the both of them. And also part of me is

707
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: never not going to believe that this is a story,

708
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: right like this is this is almost a art piece

709
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: that she's created this relationship, and I respect her commitment

710
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: to it. And I think she's crushing it. And if

711
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: it gets her a house, great, I say she deserves it.

712
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: She's a creator story, she's that. Yeah exactly. Um, I

713
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: kind hoped that for her. And also I'm like, you know,

714
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: obviously I do not not a not a fraction to

715
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: me believes that she spent three days in a hospital

716
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: with a sick doll. You know, I don't think that

717
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: another woman carried this doll into a hotel room. But

718
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: I think it's a great story, or that he somehow

719
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: had a conversation with her, but someone was not typing.

720
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: He's a doll. He didn't even have fingers, you know,

721
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: we're talking about a rag dollar. He's straight up has

722
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: like actually, well he might have fingers, but they look

723
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: like mitten's all right, No they're not. I mean, I

724
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: guess to me, this is like I could sit here

725
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: all day and say this is insane, this is stupid,

726
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: this isn't real, And that's like, to me, that's like

727
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: doing the same thing about professional wrestling, like, yeah, shut up,

728
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: I'm here to enjoy it. Yeah, I'm watching this that

729
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: shit craziness act out and sure, yeah, okay, if we

730
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: stop and do a little aside. No, I know it's

731
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: fake and I don't believe it, but why are you

732
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 1: doing that? Why are you ruining the fun here? Yeah?

733
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: Let it be. I mean, yeah, it's another thing where

734
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't really care, it doesn't have

735
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: effect on my life. Um, part of me is like almost.

736
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: I guess it's that thing where you're like, you want

737
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: you think people need what you need. So I'm like,

738
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: I wish that you could stop thinking about a rag

739
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: dolls so you could find a you know, human flesh

740
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: and blood person to spend your time with, because I

741
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: feel like that would be more fulfilling. But I don't

742
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: know about the men she's sucking met, so maybe this

743
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: guy really is the best of the lot. It's not

744
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: up to me, So I'm gonna say I hope that

745
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: y'all work it out and managed to have a nice,

746
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: happy life after this, and Marcello, keep your doll dick

747
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: to yourself. Keep it yourself, buddy. But everybody deserves a

748
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: second chance, well not everybody, but something some people to

749
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: deserve a second chance. Okay, Next up, we're gonna go

750
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: way back in time again and talk about a meno

751
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: tep and t a if you remember them. In our

752
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 1: episode from July, we talked about a Menap, the third

753
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: ancient Egyptian pharaoh, who led over an incredible golden age

754
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: in Egypt, and he was unusually devoted to his wife,

755
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: Queen Tia, because while he, like all pharaoh's, had a

756
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: harem and several wives, including his own daughters, which I

757
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: don't know, and we talked about it. It makes a

758
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: little more sense when you hear it, but it's still weird. Um.

759
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: His favorite wife was Tia, and he left plenty of

760
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: evidence behind of that, and again not common for Egyptian

761
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: pharaohs to be so devoted to one particular woman. This

762
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: is the guy who gave us some of the most

763
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: well known monuments in Egypt, like the Luxur and the

764
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: Colossus of Memnon. He also erected statues of Tia that

765
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: were built to the same scale as statues of himself,

766
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: very unusual. This showed how important she was. She is

767
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: even depicted as a sphinx trampling enemies, which is a

768
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 1: scene that's usually reserved for men, and this points out

769
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: how important she was politically. This wasn't just the besotted husband.

770
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: Tia was also an incredibly important political player, and after

771
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: a minute to she advised her son acat In for

772
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: many years as well. So it seems weird to have

773
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: an update on this story. It would be surprised to

774
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,479
Speaker 1: find out that they had done anything new. They didn't

775
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: start a TikTok together. They're not doing a new banking show.

776
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: I don't think a Meno Tep is on Dancing with

777
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: the Stars this year. Maybe act and will be a

778
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: masked singer. But there is an update to this because

779
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: archaeologists have recently uncovered more of a minute Tep, the

780
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: third and Queen TIA's mortuary. This was already considered the

781
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: largest ancient mortuary, and now they think it's even bigger

782
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: than they originally supposed because all the new parts of

783
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: it they've managed to unearth and just showing this thing

784
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: is ethnically massive. They found two new colossi of Amenotep

785
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: in the shape of sphinxes. But of course the best

786
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: thing about unearthing new ancient Egyptian stuff is looking at

787
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 1: the pictures, right, and they found some brand new ceremonial

788
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: and ritual scenes, including some of the Hebb Said festival,

789
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: which we talked about in our episode. That's a festival

790
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: that happened on the thirtieth year of the pharaoh's reign

791
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: and then every three years after that, and the Mentep

792
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: really threw himself into the heap, said festival. Here's a

793
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: real athletic guy. He liked the party, so he's like,

794
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: let's do this. And this festival was supposed to kind

795
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: of create like a renewed vigor for the pharaoh and

796
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: his people, his whole empire. Isn't this exactly what the

797
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: Queen of England does jubilee. Maybe maybe she didn't do

798
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: all the things that he had to do. Because Abdel

799
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: Rahim Rahan, who's the Director General of Research at the

800
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: Ministry of Tourism and Antiquities in South Sinai, explains the festival.

801
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: He says, the pharaoh we give speeches promising of course

802
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: more prosperity and everything for his subjects, and then he

803
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: would be crowned quote first with the white crown of

804
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: Upper Egypt and then the red crown of Lower Egypt,

805
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: and then a papyrus and a lotus would be wrapped

806
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: around a stake representing the unification of the two lands.

807
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: The festival a culminate in the pharaoh running around a

808
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: race track in the courtyard of his palace to exhibit

809
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: his physical prowess, which will be hilarious. Statically, rim Elizabeth

810
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: had done that, or King Charles of y'all run around

811
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: a track. I'm impressed. If King Charles makes it the

812
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: thirty years of ruling, then I expect to see him

813
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: running around a track, because he's obviously found he is

814
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: an immortal vampire. At this project to completely unearthed and

815
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: restore a Minute Tip and Tis Mortuary Temple was launching,

816
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: and it is ongoing. Given it's just immense size and

817
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: also the fact that it was built a little too

818
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: close to the Nile River, so water has damaged a

819
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: lot of the architecture and the statues over the centuries.

820
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: But they do hope one day that they'll be able

821
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: to display all of the wonders and the monuments right

822
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: exactly where they were supposed to be. So not the

823
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: Museum of England, uh, but right here, the right in

824
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: Egypt where it's meant to be, where it was built. Right.

825
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: So we might get more updates as they continue to

826
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: work on this, we might see more. Let's see a

827
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: minute Tep and t a trending once again, how great

828
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: would that be? Yeah, Marcello, see what happens when you're

829
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: really devoted? She could put into infamy. Maybe Marcello should

830
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 1: get a replica. Maybe Marcello should get a replica. Then

831
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: Miravone can rest easy picturing the poor ai chat pot

832
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: that has to keep up a conversation with this rag doll.

833
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 1: She won't learn much alright. And last, but not least

834
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: at all, we told y'all on January seven two, all

835
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: about Oscar Wilde, the play Right and his love for

836
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: Lord Alfred Douglas. That was almost a year ago. I know,

837
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: isn't that weird? I definitely. I looked at the date

838
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, it feels like just yesterday. Um.

839
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: Of course, Alfred's father freaked out about it. He got

840
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: real upset, had a gay panic about it. He forced

841
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: a trial on Oscar Wilde for gross indecency, and that

842
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: ended up with Oscar jailed for two years, which he

843
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: immortalized in his poem The Ballad of Reading Jail. And

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Speaker 1: then we immortalized ourselves in corrections corner because I pronounced

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Speaker 1: it reading instead of reading. Sorry, y'all, Well, the reading

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Speaker 1: jail has apparently been empty and rather derelict for many years.

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Speaker 1: The government has been trying to sell the property to

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Speaker 1: a labor MP named Matt Rata renewed his call to

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Speaker 1: turn the jail into a theater slash arts home. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, finally putting artists back where they belong in jail. Well,

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Speaker 1: since Oscar Wilde stayed there and it's no longer an

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Speaker 1: active jail, Reading became a very popular destination for LGBT tourism.

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Speaker 1: Karen Rowland, who sits on the Reading Borough Council, told

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Speaker 1: the BBC that it was quote an LGBT heritage site.

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Speaker 1: It is a mecca. We had people coming from Japan

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Speaker 1: and all over the world to see Oscar Wilds in sight.

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Speaker 1: But it costs about two hundred and fifty thousand pounds

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Speaker 1: per year to maintain calculating which is roughly three hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand U S. Dollars if you would like that conversion,

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Speaker 1: and the Ministry of Justice claims that it wants to

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Speaker 1: get the best value at the property for taxpayers. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: so the Oscar Wilde Society has asked that the prison

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Speaker 1: be preserved in order to honor his imprisonment, and Matt

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Speaker 1: Rodda isn't the only one who wants to turn it

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Speaker 1: into an arts hub. He points out that they've had

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Speaker 1: no success in selling it. They've had quite a lot

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Speaker 1: of celebrity endorsements, including Banksie Sir Kenneth Bradaw and Kate Winslet,

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Speaker 1: and they have all called for it to be transformed

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Speaker 1: into an arts hub. Listen, if Kate says it's delay,

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Speaker 1: do you do what she said? Matt Rodda told BBC quote,

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Speaker 1: the Ministry of Justice has been trying to sell the

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Speaker 1: jail to a developer for nearly nine years, and this

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Speaker 1: approach clearly hasn't worked. I hope that the Ministry can

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Speaker 1: now see this and that it will end its plan

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Speaker 1: to turn the historic building into luxury flats and that

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Speaker 1: it will put the interests of the community first instead.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Like luxury flats housing is very important, but

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Speaker 1: luxury housing not so much. And I mean, they make

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Speaker 1: a good point that if it's a place where people

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Speaker 1: are going to sort of feel connected to their history

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Speaker 1: and their heritage and like important figures, you know, in

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Speaker 1: their lives, why not preserve it as sort of a

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Speaker 1: historic destination. So I would say good luck to reading.

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Speaker 1: I really hope that that works and that reading jail

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Speaker 1: does get turned into an art stub slash theater. I

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Speaker 1: would love to go visit it and see a play there.

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Speaker 1: And like, also, who wants to live in a luxury

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Speaker 1: flat that used to be a jail cell? Anyway? I

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Speaker 1: mean the energy alone, they stage alone, that you had

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Speaker 1: to burn to get the vibes out. It feels like

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Speaker 1: a bad investment, how frustrating. And I hope works better

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Speaker 1: over there than it does here because we have right

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Speaker 1: here in Atlanta have so many buildings that have been

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Speaker 1: sitting there empty for fifteen years. One of them that

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Speaker 1: I know, one of them off the top of my head,

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Speaker 1: is literally a theater. Yeah, and it has just been empty.

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Speaker 1: And no matter who comes in and says, well, we

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Speaker 1: could turn it into a functioning theater, They're like, nah,

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Speaker 1: we'd rather just sit there and rot, right. Or they

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Speaker 1: asked for likelous That's what I'm saying. They asked a

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Speaker 1: ridiculous amount of money, and I'm like, well, why don't

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Speaker 1: you lower that amount of money so that it is

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Speaker 1: something instead of nothing? Right? But instead that theater has

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Speaker 1: a tree growing through it because there's literally been no

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Speaker 1: one in there for many, many, like at least two decades. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I think it was last a porn theater

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Speaker 1: in the eighties. See now that's at our tub put

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Speaker 1: me a theater in the old porn theater immediately. Well, amazing.

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Speaker 1: I love these updates. It's really nice to go back

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Speaker 1: through some of our stories and find out that they

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Speaker 1: haven't stopped stories never, and then, like you said, just

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Speaker 1: kind of revisit these cool stories and all these people

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Speaker 1: we got to learn about in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: That's such a privile it and we really enjoy this job,

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Speaker 1: so it's nice to reflect on that. It really is

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Speaker 1: amazing that we get to just like learn new stuff

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Speaker 1: and then talk about it. It's it's really I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite things to do obviously. Um,

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Speaker 1: and I've just I'm so excited that you all are

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Speaker 1: here and you like listening to it. That's unbelievable. Never

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Speaker 1: felt like people liked listening to me yammer on about

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Speaker 1: history before, and now I do know. I feel like

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Speaker 1: there are many of you, but which is the best feeling.

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Speaker 1: I feel even better at the end of this year

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Speaker 1: than I did at the beginning of it. Um, and

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Speaker 1: I hope that we are able to continue bringing this

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Speaker 1: show for many years to come. Yeah. Then thank you

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Speaker 1: for all you've done to help keep us motivated, because

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Speaker 1: it's your messages and your comments and your downloads that

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Speaker 1: keep us going. So a lot of love and appreciation

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Speaker 1: to all of you out there at the end of

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Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, yeah, and I hope you have an

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Speaker 1: amazing year going forward. You find all your own ridiculous

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Speaker 1: romances or keep up with the one you currently got

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Speaker 1: going on exactly um and uh, or find happiness without

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Speaker 1: romance because for some people that's you know, that's right,

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Speaker 1: a big waste of time, very true. Um, But please

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Speaker 1: just shoot us a message and let us know how

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Speaker 1: your year was. The thing you're looking forward to next year.

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Speaker 1: We'd love to hear about your favorite episodes next year.

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Speaker 1: If you have a top one that you know you

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Speaker 1: could listen to you more than once, we would love

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Speaker 1: to hear about it. Oh yeah, definitely, and drop us

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Speaker 1: a review on Apple Podcasts. I thought it's good. If

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Speaker 1: you've got stuff you love to say about us, uh,

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Speaker 1: then we'd love to hear it there too, and sell

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Speaker 1: what everyone else. Yeah, So You can reach us through

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Speaker 1: email It's ridic Romance at gmail dot com. That's right,

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Speaker 1: or you can find us online through Twitter and Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I'm at Oh Great, it's Eli and I'm Dianamite Boom

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Speaker 1: and the show is at ridic Romance and you are awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here and we'll see

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Speaker 1: you next year. I love you. By friends, it's time

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