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Speaker 3: This is the Reform Sports Project, a podcast about restoring

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Speaker 3: Reform Sports Podcast. Today, I'm welcoming back coach O Fellow

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Speaker 3: Discuss his new role as a softball parent, the importance

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Speaker 3: Well, like I said, now my son's wrestling for you.

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Speaker 4: Like I don't call it reform sports project for any reason.

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Speaker 2: Man. I have an amazing story al B PJ. Smith.

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Speaker 1: So when my wife and I we're in grad school.

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Speaker 1: else that's not Mom or Dad starts teaching them that lesson.

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Speaker 1: They're all ears, they're focused, and they do it. And

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Speaker 1: you got to make a decision. Are you investing in

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Speaker 1: your kid enough to lest someone else teach them.

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Speaker 2: The same thing you're teaching them, or are you such

445
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Speaker 2: a great coach?

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban, Bill Belichick, you know, Marvin Lewis and Tony

447
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Speaker 1: Dungee and all those people that you're not going to

448
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Speaker 1: step off and let someone else do the work for

449
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Speaker 1: you that you believe that not to do. My wife

450
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Speaker 1: is a great basketball player, but you know, she understands

451
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Speaker 1: and I understand that. Hey. One, that gives us time

452
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Speaker 1: to just sit back and relax and watch and see

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Speaker 1: how she responds to someone else. And two, it gives

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Speaker 1: her a chance and it gives them a chance to

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Speaker 1: absorb teaching and coaching from someone else. So I think

456
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Speaker 1: that's one of the biggest advantage of not knowing the

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Speaker 1: sport that well.

458
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Speaker 2: It is the fact that you can step back, let.

459
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Speaker 1: Someone else coach your kid, let someone else educate your kid,

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Speaker 1: just like we do in education, you know, for us,

461
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Speaker 1: for people that are not teachers, you let other people

462
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Speaker 1: educate your kid on a daily basis, five days a week.

463
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Speaker 1: So why not do the same one you have an

464
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Speaker 1: athlete that you think is aspiring to be the best,

465
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Speaker 1: and I think people miss that point. And so you

466
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Speaker 1: have all these daddy ball coaches that you know, just

467
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Speaker 1: got off the couch and you know, watch a couple

468
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Speaker 1: of YouTube videos and they want going to you know,

469
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Speaker 1: be the next you know Dabbo and coach Tsinski and

470
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Speaker 1: World Williams. So I think people missed the boat there.

471
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Speaker 1: There's only one jobs, man, there's only one KALs Anderson.

472
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Speaker 1: You know, those guys are where they are and they've

473
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Speaker 1: been there for how long they've been there because you know,

474
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Speaker 1: they understand athletes, they understand coach, and they understand more

475
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Speaker 1: than the single legs and double legs.

476
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Speaker 2: They understand how to motivate people. And that's why they've

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Speaker 2: lasted so long their in their domain.

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Speaker 3: When we return, OT and I discussed recruiting and the

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Speaker 3: transfer portal. Before we go to break, I've got another

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Speaker 3: exciting announcement for you. Team Snap, the leading provider of

481
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Speaker 3: sports management software, has acquired Mojo. In addition to the

482
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Speaker 3: best in class sports management solutions used by more than

483
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Speaker 3: two million daily active users and nineteen thousand sports organizations,

484
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Speaker 3: Team Snap will now offer Mojo's award winning library of games, drills,

485
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Speaker 3: and session by session support for youth coaches, as well

486
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Speaker 3: as robust interactive multimedia tools including live streaming, for families

487
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Speaker 3: and fans.

488
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Speaker 4: To engage on and off the field.

489
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Speaker 3: The combination of the two industry leading consumer tech platforms

490
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Speaker 3: also creates the most comprehensive suite of B to B

491
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Speaker 3: tools available for youth sports organizations, including powerful content distribution,

492
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Speaker 3: capabilities to drive adoption of coaching and training programs, registration tools,

493
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Speaker 3: payment processing, organizational management tools, and much more. To learn more,

494
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Speaker 3: visit www dot teamsnap dot com and set up a

495
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Speaker 3: free demo to learn how team snap can help your organization.

496
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Speaker 3: This season, where we left off, Ot and I were

497
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Speaker 3: about to discuss how NIL has impacted sports at the

498
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Speaker 3: D two level and the current college recruiting landscape. I

499
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Speaker 3: want to dig in a little bit with you because

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Speaker 3: first and foremost, you are coaching at the you know,

501
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Speaker 3: the highest level of Division two, and there's been a

502
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Speaker 3: lot that's changed since last time you came on the pod.

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Speaker 4: You know, NIL was talked about.

504
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Speaker 3: Of course, the transfer porter wasn't played, but name, image, likeness,

505
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Speaker 3: NIL has become I mean mainstream. I mean it seems

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Speaker 3: like every say, the landscape of college athletics and recruiting

507
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Speaker 3: and everything has just changed so much. You know, at

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Speaker 3: the quote unquote Power five level, which I'm sure there'll

509
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Speaker 3: be a new name for that here soon. It's it's

510
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Speaker 3: pro sports, you know, particularly football and basketball. But what

511
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Speaker 3: does the landscape look like? I guess from you know,

512
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Speaker 3: the way all the shifting has taken place from a

513
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Speaker 3: recruiting standpoint, how has that impacted the Division two level,

514
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Speaker 3: And if you could just kind of give us your

515
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Speaker 3: perspective on.

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Speaker 4: The way the college landscape.

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Speaker 2: Is right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think we'll brag on you and

519
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Speaker 1: Avery and just your family in general. I think I

520
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Speaker 1: think no matter where this goes, including for Power five,

521
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Speaker 1: there's nothing that's ever going.

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Speaker 2: To replace the relationship aspect of.

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Speaker 1: Recruiting, you know. And I like to credit all the

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Speaker 1: guys that I've had helped me out with coaching, assistant

525
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Speaker 1: coaches that have gone on to now currently run their

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Speaker 1: own programs.

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Speaker 2: And just you know, and my.

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Speaker 1: Mentors that I've had in past, coach coach.

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Speaker 2: Gibbs, that that really helped me understand.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you want to be a great recruiter,

531
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Speaker 1: you know, being a great recruiter makes you a great coach.

532
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Speaker 2: You're going to recruit the right kids, and you're gonna

533
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Speaker 2: have to build relationships, you know. And in some days

534
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Speaker 2: I wonder, sometimes, man, am I.

535
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Speaker 1: Putting too much into this whereas taken away from my

536
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Speaker 1: own family? And yes, that's that's the sacrifice I have

537
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Speaker 1: to make. And I think watching my daughter being able

538
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Speaker 1: to do what she does. You know, she's heard me

539
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Speaker 1: on phone calls.

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes she has to acquire her sister down.

541
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Speaker 1: Hey, be quiet, data is on the phone with a recruit.

542
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Speaker 1: Nothing replaces that relationship that you build with an athlete.

543
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Speaker 2: They have to trust you.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of these coaches that just run

545
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Speaker 1: up to a kid when they see him at a

546
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Speaker 1: big tournament and do well, and all of a sudden

547
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Speaker 1: start making offers to them. You know, we're all motivated

548
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Speaker 1: in some way for more faction by money, right, so when.

549
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Speaker 2: Someone comes diggling and dingling an offer in.

550
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Speaker 1: Front of you, a X amount of dollars, you forget.

551
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, hey, wait a minute, there's another part

552
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Speaker 1: of this that I need to remember. You know, my

553
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Speaker 1: recruiting process is bigger than just how much money someone

554
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Speaker 1: can offer me. And so when you talk about recruiting,

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Speaker 1: we always make sure with the assessment of COVID time

556
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Speaker 1: where people can visit campus.

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Speaker 2: We try to get every single kid on our campus,

558
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Speaker 2: no matter how long we talk to them, no matter

559
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Speaker 2: how great the relationship is.

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Speaker 1: You need to be in the physical with us, around

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Speaker 1: us in our domain to feel that connection, you know,

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Speaker 1: so to speak, and if you don't do that for me.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's really hard for me to feel comfortable.

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Speaker 1: Bring you on our roster, bring you in our program,

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Speaker 1: bring you into our campus, bring you into unc prembroke.

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Speaker 1: You know, we don't want everyone at UNCP. We don't

567
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Speaker 1: need everyone at UNCP. It takes a special person to

568
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Speaker 1: be a brave wrestler. You have to be brave tough.

569
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Speaker 1: You can start off as brave, but eventually gonna have

570
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Speaker 1: to become tough. And we need to find out does

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Speaker 1: this person have the potential to be brave tough, you know?

572
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Speaker 1: And can they stay with us for four or five

573
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Speaker 1: years if it takes that long for them as lost

574
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Speaker 1: to eligibility, we're rare shirting, and so I think a

575
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Speaker 1: lot of times there are a lot of dudes and

576
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Speaker 1: girls out there that miss that boat on the relationship

577
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Speaker 1: aspect of the recruiting process. And when they do that,

578
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Speaker 1: it's when you see the max exodus in these programs.

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Speaker 1: With the portal and another thing, Nick, just about ninety

580
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Speaker 1: nine percent of the kids I've recruited, I've made sure

581
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Speaker 1: when they made a decision, and in most cases not

582
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Speaker 1: us because our board is usually sixty to seventy guys big,

583
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Speaker 1: we're not going to get all those guys. I make

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Speaker 1: sure I keep a good relationship with those kids and

585
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Speaker 1: congratulate them wherever they go, because again, like you said,

586
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Speaker 1: we're talking about the porter right that portal is jumping

587
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Speaker 1: right now, and in about two and a half months

588
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Speaker 1: from a wrestling standpoint, it's going to be jumping even more.

589
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Speaker 2: And I can't wait. I love the Porter.

590
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Speaker 1: I think it's probably one of the greatest thing because

591
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Speaker 1: the coaches that tell the kid, well, good luck, we're

592
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Speaker 1: going to pinion and with rest of you, or you

593
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: made the worst decision of your career, you no longer

594
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Speaker 1: have an end to that kid because you didn't respect

595
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Speaker 1: their decision. It's their decision, so you should respect their

596
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Speaker 1: decision where they want to go, where they feel comfortable

597
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Speaker 1: at the time, you know, and if something changed in

598
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Speaker 1: their life. Is if a coach leaves and they decide, okay,

599
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Speaker 1: well I came here for this coach reality check.

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Speaker 2: Most kids go to most schools for their.

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Speaker 1: Coach, unless you're going to a specific school that has

602
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Speaker 1: a specific major, specific program that in no matter way,

603
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Speaker 1: if that school they didn't have your sport, you're going

604
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Speaker 1: to go there. Anyways, most kids are going to most

605
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Speaker 1: program because they respect to coach, they have a great

606
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Speaker 1: relationship with the coach, and you know, the school happened.

607
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Speaker 2: To have a sport they want.

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Speaker 1: So I think the portal is a blessing in disguise

609
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Speaker 1: if issues properly.

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Speaker 2: And I also think it's a curse, you know.

611
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Speaker 3: I think I want to point out because Avery went

612
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Speaker 3: through the recruiting process with you, and he committed to

613
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Speaker 3: you and UNCP the day after the state.

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Speaker 4: Tournament his junior year.

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Speaker 3: So I mean from a Division two standpoint in today's there,

616
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Speaker 3: some would say he committed early, you know what I mean,

617
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Speaker 3: even though I think a junior committing is not early.

618
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Speaker 3: He knew he wanted to go, He had the relationship

619
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Speaker 3: with you, the rapport, and you know, checked all the

620
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Speaker 3: boxes like we would have known if something would to

621
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Speaker 3: pop off from other schools later on down the road.

622
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Speaker 3: Even if he hadn't committed, they didn't put the time

623
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Speaker 3: in what he was kind of I don't want to say,

624
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Speaker 3: a diamond in the rough, but still kind of making

625
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Speaker 3: his name for himself. It would have been really easy

626
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Speaker 3: through when the state title as a senior for you know.

627
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, come here, come here.

628
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Speaker 3: But you had already put the legwork in as early

629
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Speaker 3: as possible, and that was an easy decision for him.

630
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Speaker 3: But what I thought was was the most interesting piece

631
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Speaker 3: of the whole, you know, recruiting process, you know, going

632
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Speaker 3: on his official visit, and then of course you sit down.

633
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Speaker 2: In the room.

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Speaker 3: Was you know when you offered Avery, there was no pressure,

635
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Speaker 3: right And I've heard stories, actually heard you and I

636
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: texted about it, and we're not going to say who

637
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: it is, or coaches like put a time stamp on

638
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: offers to kids like, hey, you need to let me

639
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 3: know asap. With you, it was, Hey, we'd love to

640
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: have you come here. Here's the package that we're offering you.

641
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 3: Now there's incentives if you do well your senior year,

642
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 3: and this can go up, YadA, YadA, YadA. But go

643
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: visit other schools, take your time, go see other places.

644
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Speaker 3: Like I remember you saying like, we want to make sure.

645
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Speaker 3: I need to make sure that when you come here,

646
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Speaker 3: you want to come here. There was no sense of

647
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Speaker 3: urgency on your end. You let them know you wanted them,

648
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 3: but at the same time, make sure when you commit here,

649
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: it's where you want to be. So go see everywhere,

650
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: Go visit everywhere, go do it. And I think that

651
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: that's so critical, But that also takes a tremendous amount

652
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Speaker 3: of confidence because as a program, like you said, you

653
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 3: got to be able to tell people, no, you can't

654
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: welcome everybody, like you have to be selective. But it

655
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: seems like today it's people just want to jump on

656
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Speaker 3: the quickest offer. Are you ever at a point where

657
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Speaker 3: you're like, God, if we don't put a time stamp

658
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: on this kid, do you ever have the fear of

659
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: missing out?

660
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 4: Like if I don't? Okay, So how do you manage that?

661
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: To answer that question, yes, but I also go back to, hey,

662
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: our philosophy here, it takes a special person to.

663
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: Believe in what we're doing.

664
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: And honestly, I'll give everybody the trick here. This is

665
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: the game that our cointer parts play on us. They

666
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: don't want the kids they're recruiting that we're recruiting to

667
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: come on our campus because they know when they come

668
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: in our campus, they're like, holy smokes, this is a

669
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: freaking paradise you guys have going in at uncp U

670
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: NC paradise.

671
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 2: Let's get it. So you know, you got to remember,

672
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: now you talking.

673
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: About seventeen eighteen year old kids that are making, in

674
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: my opinion, that the biggest decision of a young adult life.

675
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: So they need to get it right, you know, they

676
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 2: need to get it right. And if I'm putting.

677
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: Pressure on them, you know, giving them seven days, giving

678
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: them ten days, whatever it may be, when push come

679
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: to shove and they're in the trenches, they might remember that.

680
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I remember when coach pushed pressure on

681
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 2: me and I making decision. You know, I need to

682
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: know now if you're going to.

683
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: Come here, you know, and that doesn't sit where with kids,

684
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: and it doesn't sit where with their parents, you know, no.

685
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: Matter what you say. You know, So when we encourage

686
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: kids to.

687
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: Go take visits, I understand, and we've lost kids to

688
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: that because we give them free reign to you.

689
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: Know, shop themselves around, so to speak.

690
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: And so that has come across my mind numerous times,

691
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: especially if it's one of our guys hiring our boards,

692
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: you know, especially early in the process. You know, with Avery,

693
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: you know, I have pictures of Avery when he was

694
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: in you know, the fourth grade, fifth grade, or whatever

695
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: it may be.

696
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: So with him, I was comfortable with him. I was

697
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: confident you.

698
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: Know, he wrestled at a club with a UNCP wrestling

699
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: All American alumni, So I knew everything about Avery that

700
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: I needed to know to know that, hey, he's going

701
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: to be a fit here and he's going to enjoy

702
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: here because we have the right group of guys in place.

703
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: And I think having that confident in myself as a coach,

704
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: as a man, you know, and knowing that I can't

705
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: replace you and Amy, but I'm gonna be the best

706
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: representation of.

707
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: You guys in your absence. Why Avery is here for

708
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: four or five years, whatever it may be.

709
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: Lets me know that, hey, when he makes that decision,

710
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: there's gonna be no second guessing and that other coaches

711
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: can't confidently say that. And it doesn't hurt that I've

712
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: been here for, you know, seventeen years either. So I

713
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: think a lot of parents get that comfortability knowing that

714
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: that kid is not gonna go somewherehere the coach is

715
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: going to be jumping ship every other year to find

716
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: the next best thing, you know, And I think that's

717
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: one of the other things that's lost. And that's why

718
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: the transfer board, like we talked about, is so hot,

719
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: and you know, you get over twenty five hundred kids

720
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: in it every year, you know, because there's no stability

721
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: in college coaching, regardless of division. You know, a lot

722
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: of people are jumping ship to go to the next

723
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: hot thing, And so I put that peace.

724
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: Of mind in parents' minds. I put that piece of

725
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: mind in kids mind.

726
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: You know, the kids may not be thinking it, but

727
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cruit the parents just unless I'm recruiting the kids.

728
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: I was definitely I must as far as parents go out.

729
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: If I wasn't like top one or two on the board,

730
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: I'd be pissed off right now.

731
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you're definitely up there.

732
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're you're one point five and you

733
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: fighting for that other half to get the number one.

734
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna throw that out there.

735
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: But you know, at the end of the day, Nick, I.

736
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: Do have that fear that I'm gonna lose one of

737
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: my top guys because you know, there are people out

738
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: there that don't do it right, you know, and and

739
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: the reason why they're not successful is because they don't

740
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: do it right. You know, you're gonna have any people

741
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: that are gonna have success for a year or two,

742
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: and they're gonna fall off right. But at the same time,

743
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: if you look at our track record, you know, one

744
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: we're recruiting our guys the right way. We're bringing in

745
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: the right guys, and two we're got to a point

746
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: now where we're graduating our guys on a consistent basis.

747
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: Our guys that make it to year two and three,

748
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, they're graduating and they're going to getting great jobs,

749
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: and they're reaching back out to me and asking.

750
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: Should I leave this job for this job? You know,

751
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: here's here's what they're offering.

752
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: And knowing that I've had that kind of impact on them,

753
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: US CPS had that kind of impact to them for

754
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: them to reach back out to I'm a mater and

755
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: ask the college wrestling coach about career decisions, let me

756
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: know we get the right thing by them. And these

757
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: are not guys that were world leaders. These are guys

758
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: that were just programmed guys, you know, back us pos.

759
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: Starters and guys that may not have ever even started.

760
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: For US are reaching back guy and asking the PUS about, Hey, coach,

761
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: I have this opportunity. What do you think that right there,

762
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: in my opinion, is the biggest championships. Knowing that I

763
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: made an impact on the guy that much that he's

764
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: willing to call and ask my opinion about.

765
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: That, you know.

766
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: And so when we started our USCP Wrestling Alumni group

767
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: me where all these guys can talk and chop it up,

768
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: and we have almost ninety guys in there, even tho

769
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: old dudes that don't know much about technology.

770
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: That lets me know, Hey, we're doing the right things.

771
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: And this is where you we want to get you

772
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: at the end of your career is to be a

773
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: part of this fraternity, you know, so you can mix

774
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: it up with guys that were that were here in

775
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties and early two thousand.

776
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: And guys guys like that. You know, guys, guys want

777
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: to be a part of the fraternity.

778
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: And that's why we're not afraid to tell a guy, hey,

779
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: here's an offer. You know, this is where we feel

780
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: you are, and if things change from a performance standpoint,

781
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: academic standpoint.

782
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: We're willing to up it. You know.

783
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: But go shop yourself around, Go check out other schools,

784
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: go see what's out there. So when you're done, he

785
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: decided to be a brave You're no, there's nothing out

786
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: there in the back of your mind that you're married

787
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: to the right place, and.

788
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: You can you can enjoy this decision and walk around

789
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: here with your head up high and compete, you know,

790
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: stress free.

791
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: You know, Avery's having a phenomenal freshman year, you know,

792
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 3: really good year, and we're very proud of him. But

793
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: I can't tell how many conversations Amy and I have

794
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: had where we're like, man, he's at the right plat

795
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: And it's not because of how you know, it's not

796
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: because he's starting as a true freshman. It's not because

797
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: he's having some success. It's because, you know, those little

798
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: conversations like we know when he came home for the

799
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: for the winner, you know, we try to you know,

800
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,479
Speaker 3: we don't talk to him that much. When he's there,

801
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: he'll reach out, you know, or whatever.

802
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 4: We'll check out how's it going. But we got five

803
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 4: other kids here, you know. I mean, not that we're

804
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about.

805
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: But he's eighteen years old and he needs to figure

806
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: stuff out and he's adjusting really well. But it's like,

807
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: we know you are genuinely looking out for his best

808
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: interests as a human being. And even he said when

809
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: I picked him up for Thanksgiving and we're driving home

810
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: and you know I'm having those conversations with him, how

811
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: do you feel you know, do you like? And He's like, man,

812
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: I know he loves me, Like I know he cares

813
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: about me. He's like, it's so obvious how much Ot

814
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: cares about me as a person. Like the wrestling is

815
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: like a back burner thing. And I know for him, like,

816
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: you know, could he potentially wrestle at the Division one level?

817
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: Maybe?

818
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

819
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: Maybe?

820
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: But I think with him, and I think in particular

821
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: as a freshman, I think he would strugg I think

822
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: some kids don't understand, like the jump it is from

823
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: high school to collegiate athletics, and if you're especially in that.

824
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 4: I don't even understand it.

825
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: But especially in the sport of wrestling where I play

826
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: college baseball, the commitment level from a wrestling standpoint, it's

827
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 3: just a different It's a different level of discipline, a physicality,

828
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: and I think that that grind if you're not having

829
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: the opportunity to compete, like perform, like even the opportunity,

830
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: I think it can shed a lot of kids away

831
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: from this.

832
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 4: Man, I don't want to do this anymore.

833
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: So I think finding the right fit from a sport

834
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: like wrestling is even more magnified, you know, to go

835
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 3: where you belong to where you can have the most impact.

836
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 4: That's just my perspective. But anyway, I want to just

837
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 4: say we.

838
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: Amy and I my wife are grateful that Avery found

839
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: you and he's in the right We feel extremely confident

840
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 3: and comfortable that he's at not only the right fit,

841
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: but with the right coach and the right staff and

842
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 3: the right teammates. So we're very grateful for that. As

843
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: we wrap up, coach the sports parents want to hear it. Man,

844
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: You've kind of shed light on a lot of things,

845
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: but like you know, I always want to try to

846
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 3: end with some sort of tidbit. You know, you're someone

847
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: who's doing this every day. What's a piece of advice

848
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 3: in a minute or two that can help these parents

849
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 3: whose kids do want to be college athletes, you know,

850
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: who do want to get seen, who do want to

851
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: get recognized? How should they go about it? What are

852
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: some pointers that you can give them?

853
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, being in the trenches for damn here

854
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: two decades now, man, is you know I've I've been

855
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: super grateful.

856
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: It's helped me and my wife as parents to you know,

857
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: ask those questions.

858
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: When is it too early to ask the question to

859
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: your GC yourself playing college athletics, you know, And we

860
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: were having a conversation all I remember when they happened,

861
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: I think was during their softball season.

862
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: Our door was like, yeah, I'm want to play I

863
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: want to play college ball.

864
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: And I told them my wife dad, and she was like,

865
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: oh wow, really she does, you know, and she does

866
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: great or her if she doesn't, oh well, you know,

867
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: for me, one of the greatest things she's accomplished thus

868
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: far in fourteen years of living.

869
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: She made a straight A honor roll this fall. Nice

870
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: and so right.

871
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: There, that lets us know that she's she's putting herself

872
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: in the right place to be a college athlete.

873
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: You know.

874
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I guess unfortunately, she's a female athlete and the

875
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: path two millions are not as fast as the male

876
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: athletes that are in baseball, basketball, and football. Right, So

877
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: when she plays her college sports, if she plays her.

878
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: College sports, you know, she's going to have to do something.

879
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: Outside of that, just like these college wrestlers are going

880
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: to have to do something outside of college athletics. So

881
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: you know, just knowing that, you know, you have your

882
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: kid's best interest at howard, you know. And if your

883
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: kid does well in a particular sport, you know, congratulate them.

884
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: But make this their journey, you know. And I think

885
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: sometimes people crap on camps. One. You need to get

886
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: your kid away from yourself. Take them to her camp,

887
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: especially when they're in high school, and leave them alone.

888
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,479
Speaker 2: Let them go, let them.

889
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: Spend the night, let him be with someone else, Let

890
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: him be on a college campus or camp citing that's

891
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: away from you, so they can understand, hey, mom and

892
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: dad aren't here to coddle me, so to speak. And

893
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: if your kid comes back and they enjoyed it and

894
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: they don't text you or call you and say come

895
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: get me, that's the first step. And I think a

896
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: lot of parents do not have the confident to let

897
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: their kid go.

898
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: There are hundreds, there are thousands of camps out there

899
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: now that you can send your kids too.

900
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: If we can't have a camp at our school without

901
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: having a background check on all of our athletes. Even

902
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 1: though our athletes have to have some sort of background

903
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: check to be in school, they all have to have

904
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: a background check to even run out of camps.

905
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: We have to have insurance, so letting your kid go

906
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 2: what is a three.

907
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: Four, five, seven day camp without you is paramount to

908
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: seeing if they're ready for the next.

909
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 2: Level, to see if they're ready to play college athletics.

910
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: If you're willing to do that and your kid calls

911
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: back or come back and express their enjoyment of the camp,

912
00:36:58,800 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: I think.

913
00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 2: That's what the biggest step.

914
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: And hey, stop asking for offers or start trying to

915
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: go out there and beg for offers. Unfortunately, there's only

916
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 1: so many no zions that are going to wow everyone

917
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: when he's high school.

918
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: You know, you know, the Lebron James.

919
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: I can't imagine if Lebron James are around when technology

920
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: is as vast as it is now, you know, not

921
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: everyone's going to get that sign or you know, offered

922
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: a gazillion offers from gazilion schools.

923
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: The opportunity to play college athletics, regardless of the division,

924
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 2: is a privilege.

925
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: And because your kid doesn't get offered by I don't

926
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: know whatever big school doesn't make you less of a parent.

927
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: Right now, I think people misunderstand that less than one

928
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: percent of high school kids are going to play college sports.

929
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: Now I said play college sports, I say get offers

930
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: from scholarship unfortunately, and I wish we had full scholarship

931
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: allowment at UNCP. I would say about sixty percent of

932
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: our guys or walk off and they come here knowing that, Hey,

933
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: I want to be a part of something bigger than myself.

934
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 2: And it's okay for your kid.

935
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: To not get an offer, and it's okay for your

936
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: kid not to go on an official visit that means

937
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: very little.

938
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: That means very little. One of our best wrestlers in our.

939
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: School history, Nick Daggett, came a one official visit, and

940
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: that was after he came on three unofficial visits on

941
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: his own dime. And I think that helped validate his

942
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: decision to be a brave and be a Division two wrestler,

943
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: which ultimately let him become a five time national qualifier,

944
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: four time All American, five time academic All.

945
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: American because he chose the right school.

946
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: And I think that's important for parents to understand, is

947
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: the right fit for your kid that's going to help

948
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: him grow, help her succeed academically, help her grow socially,

949
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: and who knows, they might enjoy it when they're there,

950
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: and you don't want to send the next kid from

951
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: their high school there and vouch for that place. And unfortunately,

952
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: not every kid is going to come to UNCP, and

953
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. You know, there are great Division two,

954
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: Division three NAI Division one schools out there. Not every

955
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: kids the Division one athlete, and parents need to be

956
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: a understanding of that and that there are great Division two,

957
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: Division three NAI teams out there for all sports where

958
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: kids can go and have a great experience. I have

959
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: a lot of success because ten twenty years from now,

960
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: someone's going to ask.

961
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: You you play college sports. You're gonna say yeah.

962
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: They're gonna care zero about if there's Division one, Division

963
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: two or Division three, and parents need to understand there.

964
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: Are dogs out there.

965
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: I'll be naive to think that Joe Seely or Bo

966
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: Bassett is coming to UNCP. Those guys are going to

967
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: be at the highest level because those guys are dogs.

968
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 2: That's where they belong. They're different, that's just the reality, douition.

969
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 2: They're different. Yeah, they're different.

970
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: And your kid is not getting the offer from Penn State,

971
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: Ohio State, NC State because he's not different.

972
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: And that's okay. At the end of the day.

973
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: I think people need to realize that there are levels

974
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: to this and that's why those guys and girls get

975
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: the offer they get because they're built different.

976
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: Man. I love it.

977
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: Just you know what one thing I always want to

978
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 3: make sure is people are coming on here. This is real, live,

979
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 3: firsthand insight and it's going to be unfiltered like it's true.

980
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 3: If you can't handle the truth, then don't ask the question,

981
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: don't listen. But at the end of the day, you

982
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: got a man right here, who's you know, doing at

983
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 3: the highest level Division two for years. Who's shooting it

984
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 3: straight with you?

985
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: Man?

986
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 3: Just find the right fit coach. Ot can't thank you enough,

987
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 3: my man, great friend, great coach. Grateful my son's wrestling

988
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 3: for going, Hey, going to Natti this year.

989
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: You guys, Man, let's get it.

990
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: We're gonna give them hell man, we're gonna We're gonna

991
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: push these guys. We've got a couple of months here

992
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: before we get to the dance and you know, we

993
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: still got some work to do. Obviously, ninth in the

994
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: country is awesome, but it's not the end goal. The

995
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: end goal is to get these guys growing as men

996
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: and ultimately.

997
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 2: To you know, push ourselves a little further on the ranking.

998
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 1: I guess a little lower on their ranking, but we're

999
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: super excited for the way our guys are growing as

1000
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: a team, how much they love each other and you

1001
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: know how much to back each other, and you know

1002
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 1: how much they want to see such succeeds.

1003
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: So we're ready to make this last push here for

1004
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: for our championship. Run O T.

1005
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 4: Johnson. I appreciate you coming on.

1006
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: Dog, appreciate it, man, keep doing your thing. Everybody.

1007
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: Make sure you guys go out there, support, subscribe, leave

1008
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: a rating, and let's get the worst spread.

1009
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: Nick is doing a great job.

1010
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: And uh, super proud of you, man, Super proud of

1011
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: what you're doing, and super proud of being a part

1012
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: of this. Looking forward to listening to pod and hearing

1013
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: more and more successful big time come on here, and

1014
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: you know, thanks you.

1015
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: For allowing me to be a part of these legends

1016
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 2: that you're bringing on.

1017
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 4: Man, you're one of them. Man, I appreciate you. That's

1018
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 4: coach Othello.

1019
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 3: Ot Johnson, sportspirit and head wrestling coach at the University

1020
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 3: of North Carolina, Pembrooke. Thanks for listening to the Reform

1021
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,080
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