1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: Arizona straight to the line. There's the snap to Murray. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Murray looks left pumps once looking looking a lot of time. 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Now he throws and he didn't something about a line 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: picked up down the left sideline, picked up a block 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: at the thirty twenty five twenty Amoni ten five and 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: he's spot out a pounds right there. I say you 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: twenty four, I see you. Welcome to another episode of 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: the twenty Men in the Huddle podcast and I am 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: joined this week by Jet Mokins and Jet, welcome to 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: the pod. Appreciate you taking the time. I know you're 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: fitting me between some meetings and practice here, so we 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: always appreciate you. Jet is the assistant Special Teams coaching, 13 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: and you began your coaching career as an intern and 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: an assistant with the offense and with the Broncos um 15 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: and then obviously you know come here you're working with 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: special teams. But you are the son of former um 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: Lions running back coach and about Buffalo offensive coordinator um 18 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Curtis Mockin. It was just curious, what was it like 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: growing up in kind of that that football family, that 20 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: foot that football atmosphere, growing up like man, my earliest memories. 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: They all come from being at practice, being in the office. 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: I mean I remember, you know, waking up five o'clock 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: in the morning, grabbed my sleeping bag and we go 24 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: to work with Dad and I take I fall asleep 25 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: on the floor. Um and then like he writes a 26 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: whole schedule up on the board and then I just 27 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: you know, look at the clock, figure out what time 28 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: it is, and then I know exactly where to go, 29 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: and I'm you know, maneuvering the Georgia Tech campus downtown. 30 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: And then eventually that just turned into me going to 31 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: training camps once he got into the NFL, and then 32 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: you know, just not missing the day. Really, I mean 33 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: I was, I was in the I was in the 34 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: building every single day growing up. That had to have 35 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: been such a fun child, absolutely, I mean growing around 36 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: the guys in football and practice and just that that 37 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: that atmosphere. Absolutely, I was always surrounded by like great 38 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: football players, a lot of great men. Um. So that 39 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: was that was some of my favorite stuff growing up. 40 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: And your dad coach here in Detroit from twenty thirteen 41 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: to twenty fifteen, I believe, And so I'm just curious 42 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: when you were around how much were you familiar with Detroit? 43 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: What were your impressions in Detroit at a young age 44 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: there when when your dad was here. Yeah, so that 45 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: was that's actually right when I went to college. So 46 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: the only time I was really coming back to Detroit 47 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: was for like Christmas break, um, you know, a short 48 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: little I was playing football all the time, so I 49 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: didn't have like a summer break. Um, So I was 50 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: really only in here at short periods. Uh. The winters 51 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: were long and the days where there wasn't a lot 52 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: of sun. So, I mean I was coming from Buffalo though, 53 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: so it was really not much of a difference in 54 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: terms of the weather. Um, you know, the city was 55 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: being built up still, but you know, I really liked it. Now. 56 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: You were in Buffalo though, when you were in high 57 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: school corrective and so what was that like with your dad, 58 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, coaching obviously in the city and then you 59 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: obviously be in high school. I mean was dad did 60 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: dad make it to Friday night lights? I mean, what 61 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: was that like when when he was there and just 62 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: just having your dad there and you there and in 63 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: that time, was that a special time for you? Yeah, 64 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: that was a really special time for me. M My 65 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: dad got to go to a lot of my games 66 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 1: during that time because we lived in Orchard Park. The 67 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: Bill's facility is in Orchard Park, So I mean we 68 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: were one exit away. I mean it took him three 69 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 1: minutes to get home, five minutes to get to the school. 70 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: I mean we were. I would leave school every day 71 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: and I go straight to the facility. Um, So we 72 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: had a lot of time together in the weight room, 73 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: on the field, and then just just up in the 74 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: office that hanging out. I would advantage there, right, having 75 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: a dad who you know, obviously a great offensive mine, right, 76 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: can teach you the little things here and there. And 77 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: how much it was that an advantage for you growing up, 78 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: just some of those little hints that, look, my son 79 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: plays football, I can't give them the things that your 80 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: dad can give him. And just how fun was that 81 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: give and take between you and your dad as well? Um, 82 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 1: it was fun at times. It was a little hard 83 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: because he has he had a high stack, I can imagine, 84 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: and at times I probably just didn't play up to it, 85 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: up to you know, the standard I could have played too, 86 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: And so he was really good at putting his thumb 87 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: on me when he had to. But also just like 88 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: being a dad. He wasn't like, you know, super pushy 89 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: making me do certain things, but he just let me 90 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: do you know, what I wanted, and he encouraged me 91 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: whenever I needed it, and uh, you know, I love 92 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: him for it was great. So when did you decide 93 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: to get into coaching? When was kind of that bug? 94 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: And what were you doing leading up to that time 95 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: after you finished with school? Yeah, so what I knew 96 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: I was going to coach was right when I stopped 97 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 1: playing football. Um, I play, I was a juco player. 98 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: Um I got hurt. I couldn't stay healthy. And then 99 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: when I decided to put the cleats up, it was like, man, 100 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what else I'm gonna do. Like, I 101 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: never really thought about anything else other than football, so 102 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: I had it was just natural for me to step 103 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: into this role, especially seeing it done my whole life 104 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: by you know, all the coaches that I've been around, 105 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: and I'm speaking with the Jet Mockins, the official special 106 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: teams coach here for the Detroit Lions. And so you 107 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: get into coaching, right, you you do the assistant coaching 108 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: with the offense, but then last year you get an 109 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: opportunity to be kind of the full you get an 110 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: opportunity to be a full time kind of assistant coach. Guy. 111 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: Just what was that like working with a specific group 112 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: and kind of being attached to a unit. Um. I 113 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: loved it actually being like on in the special team's role. Um, 114 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: it's so much bigger than just one unit. You get 115 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: the whole You work with the whole team, whole roster. Um. 116 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: So like working with the receivers, it was much more 117 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: smaller group. You know, I didn't quite have the same 118 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: relationship with maybe some of the defensive players that I 119 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: do now as a special team coach. I mean I 120 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 1: really have a relationship with just about every single player 121 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: on this team. And that's one of my favorite things 122 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: about this job. I love that, especially about special team 123 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: And that's what's unique about special teams too, isn't it? 124 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: Because there I mean, when we get into camp with 125 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,119 Speaker 1: the regular seams, there's so much changeover at the bottom 126 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: of the roster, just how it works, and a lot 127 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: of those roles are going to be special teams specific 128 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: and what you need and what you fit and and 129 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: just what's it like to to young guys who maybe 130 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: have never played special teams in their life? Right? They've 131 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: been their star at Oklahoma State, they've been whatever, that 132 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: middle linebacker, they've they've been that guy and never do 133 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: special teams and now they've got a transition to that 134 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: role that that that that might be where they make 135 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: this roster and just the buy in there and getting 136 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: guys to do it. Just what does that that like? 137 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: Just really having your your hand on every single aspect 138 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: to this roster. Um, you know, it's it's definitely a 139 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: learning curve for those guys that come in that didn't 140 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: have a lot of special teams reps. So we got 141 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: to get them caught up with the techniques that we're using, um, 142 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: some of the schemes that we'll be doing, which really 143 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: that's what we're doing right now, and then all summer 144 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: in training camp is just getting in a bunch of 145 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: hours a lot of reps to get those guys up 146 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: to speed. But really, when it comes down to the 147 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: game time, a lot of those guys that are exceptional 148 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: defensive players are offensive players. That skill set bleeds into 149 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: this into the special teams game as well, and those 150 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: guys end up making plays in the return game and 151 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: out in coverage. So um, you know, ball players can 152 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: play no matter what what phase it is. Really it's 153 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: just getting them up to speed with the techniques that 154 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: we want them to use. You know, one position group 155 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: people are talking about a lot maybe a little bit 156 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: of uncertainty. Now there's you know a lot of depth 157 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: at the linebacker spot. You know those boys. Yeah there 158 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: you go. See, I know you get excited right away 159 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: because linebackers to me just like totally translate to special 160 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: team Oh absolutely. I mean just size, speed, combination and everything, 161 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: being able to play in space, the good ones a 162 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: Chris Board comes to mind, and just how important is 163 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: that position group in terms of developing a really good 164 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: core special teams group. We look at, you know, some 165 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: of the really good special teams in the past with 166 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: the Jalen Reese Maybens, and that linebacker position always seems 167 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: like that position where you can really get some core guys. 168 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, you know, as the linebacker position, we look 169 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: for just four core demons, like pure just playmakers. Guys 170 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: are gonna you know, have a lot of different styles 171 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: to their game, like the guys we have in our room. 172 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: You mentioned Board. You know, he can go out, he's 173 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: a really physical player, but he can also slash around 174 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: he's gonna go make plays. We got Woods, another slash 175 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: around playmaker. We just drafted Rodriguez. He's you know, he's 176 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: a little bull. You know, we got a lot of 177 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: different flavors in that room, and those guys, uh when 178 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: in the Special Team's role, that's a four core role 179 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: and we want dominators. I mean you mentioned it Germ 180 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: last year, huge playmaker for so that's a lot of 181 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: production that we're gonna have to replace. And I think, 182 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: you know, we got the right guys in the room, 183 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: you know, from the tops of the bottom. It's just 184 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: going to be you know, sorting that out when training 185 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: camp comes through, all the petition that we're going to 186 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: get them in. And it's why I love talking to 187 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: Special teams guys, is because, like we talked about off 188 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: the top, they know the roster and it's not just 189 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: specific to Special teams as well. I mean, you guys 190 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: know how all the pieces have to fit together. And 191 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: so with that linebacker group, obviously it's going to be 192 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: a real fun competition to watch in training camp. Do 193 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: you like the different varying skill sets that you have 194 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: in that group, and then can that be a matchup 195 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: piece for you guys. Absolutely, that's a huge matchup piece. 196 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: I mean defensively, you know. Agyeah, I know he loves 197 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: having like a lot of different pieces that he can 198 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: work with. I mean, you know, just being around coaching 199 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: and being around ball. I think, you know, if you're 200 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: a play caller, you want to have you know, as 201 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: many options as possible to have the success you want. 202 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: And I think the players do that and having that 203 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: diversity would do that. How important is it to have 204 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: a head coach in Dan Campbell who really appreciate special teams? 205 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: We talk about John Harball a lot in Baltimore and 206 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: how that's become, you know, something he really focuses on 207 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: in year after year after year. There are really good 208 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 1: special teams unit. But to me from the outside looking in, 209 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: it seems Dan might be one of those guys too. 210 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: He always talks about special teams, the importance of it, 211 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: putting assets toward it, and how nice is it to 212 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: work for a head coach that that really values that 213 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: aspect of the game. Oh, It's incredible. I mean Coach Campbell, 214 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: he he doesn't miss a rep of special teams. I 215 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: mean he goes, he comes into coach Phipps's office every 216 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: night and we watch every single every single clip you know, 217 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: from Indy whatever different drill. It was the competitive drills 218 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: and then the team situation. I mean we watch it 219 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: all and Coach Camp, I mean Coach Camp believing yesterday 220 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: he made a massive emphasis to let these young guys 221 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: know how important Special Teams is going to be moving 222 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: forward for them making this roster and also I mean, 223 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: you know, making just the NFL in general, right, I 224 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: mean some guys are gonna get cut from us and 225 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: another team is going to pick them up. So you know, 226 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: you really got to put good stuff on film no 227 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: matter what the situation is, um and it comes on 228 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: Special Teams for a lot of these guys. And having 229 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: a head coach that isn't afraid to maybe dial up 230 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: a little razzle dazzle on teams too. We saw that 231 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: last year. You could excite a little bit there, right, 232 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: because are you like one of those guys that just 233 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: sits at night like, okay, I'm in bed, I can't sleep, 234 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: all right, what's this crazy special teams play that I 235 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: could set up there? And And how open is Dave 236 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: to Dave Fhipp that the Special Teams coordinator to kind 237 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: of implementing some of that stuff and allowing you to 238 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: be creative and the kind of have your your input 239 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: in that. Coach Fhip is great. Coach Campbell is as well. Um, 240 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: we're really I mean, Coach Campbell is super aggressive, so 241 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: he's always looking for, you know, any advantage he could 242 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: find in the special Team's phases. And then Coach Fhip 243 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: as well. I mean something that we do is we 244 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: practice fakes. We practice different fakes, and he you know, 245 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: he loves me. He gives me the freedom to you know, 246 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: work on different fakes against our brush team, um that 247 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: maybe we don't exactly have installed. And you know, that's 248 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: a lot of fun for me because I just like 249 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: to look at some of these offensive plays and I 250 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: try to you know, build it into maybe a punt 251 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: or you know, some type of return. You've maybe saw 252 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: that in the Senior Bowl. We had a little first 253 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: going Yeah, I mean, we're all for all that stuff. 254 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: What's it like working with with Dave? Dave to me, 255 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: seems like a great coach has obviously had a lot 256 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: of success in this league. And to kind of cut 257 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: your teeth under a guy like that, just how fortunate 258 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: do you feel? Oh? I couldn't work for, you know, 259 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: somebody better. I'm extremely blessed to be working for coach Fhip. 260 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: You know, he's a great man. You know, first of all, 261 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: he has, you know, an extreme wealth of knowledge about 262 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: the game. He's been in this position and in this 263 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: league for quite some time now, and he's had the 264 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: success that we all want to have him and he's 265 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl, he's had the top units multiple times. 266 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean that's truly what you want as a coach, 267 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: as your guys to go out there and have the 268 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: maximum amount of success. And I think he pours into 269 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: me every day, uh he you know, he develops me 270 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: as a coach as a man also, which is still 271 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: important for me. You know, I'm the youngest on the staff, 272 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: so having you know, some of these older guys to 273 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: look up to and see how it's done the right way, 274 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, that's big for me. You know, I take 275 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: it as something important when I look at some special 276 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: teams guys and you know, we talked about Jalen Reeves 277 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: maybe last year. To me, like that's kind of like 278 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: a glue guy to a roster, right, you know, a 279 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: guy that can do multiple things, but a really core 280 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: Special Teams guy as well. Is that how you view 281 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: sometimes those guys that that those guys that at that 282 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: bottom of the roster and important core Special teams guys 283 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: that that they can really be glue pieces to you 284 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: because as you know, they're also going to have to 285 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: step in when an injury happens too, and now they've 286 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: got all this on their plate. But Special Teams never 287 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: never waivers. To me, those are kind of blue guys 288 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: to a roster. Absolutely. Yeah, Jerry Jacob's first person that comes. Yeah, there, 289 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, one of the biggest glue guys, at least 290 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: for me. You know, I work a lot on the 291 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: perimeter for all of our Special Teams units, so you 292 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: know those gunners the corners, and that's Jerry Um. Jerry 293 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: is a great teammate, and you know a lot of 294 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: those guys are. But you know, seeing a guy who 295 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: you know he might not be starting or getting all 296 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: the defensive snaps he wants, but he takes every single 297 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: Special Teams rep with the utmost seriousness and intend to 298 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: get better. His team may see that kind of stuff, 299 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: They see how he works, and that bleeds into every 300 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: single part of his game. I mean, that type of 301 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: success when you work like that at everything, no matter 302 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: what phase it is. Like those guys, they are glue 303 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: pieces and they really build up. When the bottom of 304 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: your roster works like that, you know, it just elevates everybody. 305 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: And what a great example. I'm glad you brought Jerry 306 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: up because right he's the special teams guy. He earns 307 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: those big roles, and then there's some injuries that cornerback, right, 308 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he gets his opportunity 309 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: to play on defense, and all of a sudden we 310 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: hear words like bulldog and stuff like that. One a 311 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: guy who just steps in and isn't afraid to be 312 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: physical with wide receivers gets better as he goes. And 313 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: now we're talking about him as kind of one of 314 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: those pieces at cornerback too. And so what a great example, 315 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: right of a young guy find your niche get in right, 316 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: be a core special teams guy and who knows what happens? Right? 317 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 1: Is that? Is he almost a lesson you can use 318 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: to young guys. The example absolutely. Coach Fhip uses Jerry 319 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: as a as a lesson, you know, weekly, almost especially 320 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: when we're talking about those perimeter players, the young guys 321 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, we got some young dbs and he's a 322 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: great example to use every single time of how to 323 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: come in every day, get your work done, attack your 324 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: job with purpose, except your role, on your role, and 325 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: understand that you know there's bigger things down the roll 326 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: down the road. As long as you just keep on developing, 327 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: getting better every single day like that, your time will come. 328 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: You just have to be ready for it. You're working 329 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: on the outside. So obviously the gunner roles are really 330 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: really important. You mentioned Jerry, he's working his way back. 331 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: We'll kind of see where he's at come training camp. 332 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: But you know, Bobby Price is a guy that's in there. 333 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: Mike used, do you have some guys? Has anybody maybe 334 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: stood out a little bit? There? A guy that that 335 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: you're excited about putting on that in that gunner spot 336 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: maybe you think can make some place. Yeah, I mean 337 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of guys in excite. I'm really excited 338 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: for Bobby. Bobby's gotten better every single day this this offseason. 339 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: He stays after practice and we get extra reps. It's 340 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: really intentional about the reps he's taken. I mean, he 341 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: tells me what he wants to do and we work 342 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: on that exactly. Um, other guys I'm excited about. I mean, 343 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: if you'd love to get if he out there and 344 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: get that horse rolling. I mean if he is as 345 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: a big man can get going exactly. You know Trinity 346 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: bench and he has he has a great skill set. Um. 347 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: You know, a burner can really get downfield. Uh. You 348 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: know ce J Moore. We're experimenting with him a little 349 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: bit out there. You know, there's just a we have 350 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: a lot of guys. You know Aj Parker, he opened 351 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: up that, he opened up that acceleration the other day. 352 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: Let us see what he got, all right, I want 353 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: to see what he I love to see him cover 354 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: a punt. You know. Really it's it's we got about 355 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: you know, five six guys down in there. You know 356 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: that really get me excited. You know, I'm standing in 357 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: front of them a practice and I can just I 358 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: feel them their speed off the line of scrimmage. You know, 359 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: I feel their explosiveness, and that's what says something I 360 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: look for. I love that about those. It's gonna be 361 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: fun for you. Come training camp, Oh, Manning Camp. We 362 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: get those pads on, we get our competitive hills going. 363 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: It gets me going that's no. No. Dan likes to 364 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: do competitive periods in practice. A lot of them are 365 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: centered around special teams kind of concepts. Yeah, you know too, 366 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: the open field tackling type type stuff and agility and 367 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: getting away from guys being able to break tackles. That's 368 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: got to be a fun aspect of practice, because I 369 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: know what's fun watching. Oh I love it. I get 370 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: to make it, you know, fit, and I make the 371 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: matchups and like I just sit there and I like 372 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: scheme like a little man side is dotor here. I 373 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: love it. And then to support on the outside the 374 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: gunters and stuff, you've got to have obviously a terrific punter, 375 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: and so you guys have that in Jack Fox. Oh yeah, 376 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: what a weapon a guy like that is. I don't 377 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: think fans maybe realize, and the diehards probably do. I 378 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: know a lot of you football fans out there do. 379 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: But when you have a guy with that amount of 380 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: hanging time, who can just you know, do with a 381 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: lot of different things with the ball and his annually 382 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: at the top in both gross and NET. And I 383 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: know Net is more of a team than it is Jack, 384 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: But to have a weapon like that, just how beneficial 385 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: is it on special teams. Oh it's huge, you know. 386 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: You know, the play starts with a snapper, but really 387 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: like the punter gets it going, like you know, uh 388 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: so having a punter that can flip the field punting directionally, 389 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: like that's the biggest thing he makes. He makes the 390 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: coverage so much easier, you know, when he's punting and 391 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: when he's on, when he's on his game. Uh, you know, 392 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: he's one of the best in the league that does it. 393 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: And you know, no matter where he's at in the field, 394 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: whether it's a big field punt or either he's got 395 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: a you know, dial it back in the plus fifty, 396 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: he's got every ball to be able to do it. 397 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: And really, you know, to answer your question, all it 398 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: does is just make that coverage better. It makes your 399 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: Jerry Jacobs, it makes your Germ, your Bobby Price, your CJ. Moore's. 400 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: All those guys get to go and play free, play fast. 401 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: Their job is so much more easier because Jack just 402 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: makes it easier for him. You know, he'll pump the 403 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: ball over on the sideline, right over the top of 404 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: a gunner. Gunner doesn't have to run anywhere but straight 405 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: downfield and make a play here it is right right there, 406 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: or either force affair catch just off of you know, 407 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: Jack's you know leg alone. You know. So you guys 408 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: were in a pretty good situation last year just in 409 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: terms of kicking. Obviously, Seebert comes in and and does 410 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: really well, but then suffers the hip injury. So you 411 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: guys go get Riley Patterson off the New England um 412 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: uh practice squad and he comes in and it's terrific. 413 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: Um It seems like it's gonna be a pretty good 414 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: battle between those guys camp. And does anybody have the 415 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: edge right nowurs or is it really just you guys 416 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: are viewing this as it's fifty fifty and best man 417 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: takes things. Yeah, it's deady even right now. We're gonna 418 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: go into camp and those guys are going to compete 419 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: just like the rest of the team is. You know, 420 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: it might not get a little physical and the tackle joils, 421 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: but as far as kicking goes, you know, everything is 422 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: going to be measured. Training camp kids here, you know, 423 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: how they warm up, how they are in our team periods, 424 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, and everything in between, you know, the preseason games. 425 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: So right now it's it's dead even, and I'd say 426 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: we still have a great kids in kicking situation because 427 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: I think whichever player we do end up with, we're 428 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: gonna be happy with. Both players have done a really 429 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 1: good job of improving on the things we asked them 430 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: to improve on. And then Austin, you know, gets just 431 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: getting healthy as well. He's starting to look really good. 432 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: He's coming back to where he was last year. And 433 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: Riley is doing the same as well. So I know 434 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: we talked on the top about how you have to 435 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: just have your pulse of the entire roster. Obviously your 436 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: focus a special teams and that's where you'll be looking, 437 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: but you obviously watch the rest of the practice. You 438 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: take a look at what's going on from an entire 439 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: roster standpoint. When it comes to training camp, is there 440 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: anything you're excited to maybe watch play out position battles, 441 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: a group maybe that's under the radar that could be 442 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: really good. Is there something that jumps out to you? Yeah, 443 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: but you're looking looking forward to camp this year nine 444 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,719 Speaker 1: on seven inside run, Uh, I'm gonna be over there 445 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: a lot. You know, we got our offensive line is incredible, 446 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: incredible across the board. You know, we have three first 447 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: round picks. You know, all the you know every you know, 448 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: all five of them are extremely talented players. We also 449 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 1: have a lot of high picks that we just invested 450 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: in on our d line. You know, those guys are 451 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: gonna be going at it. I mean, those are gonna 452 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 1: be bulls locking horns, yeah, every day. You know, our 453 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: linebacker group is also going to be included in that 454 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: drill as well as the running backs, which are two 455 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: of our other you know, competitive group, another competitive group 456 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: with a lot of talent, and you know, all those 457 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: guys are just gonna go at it. You know, I 458 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: love those physical drills, and I love when it gets 459 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: a little hot down there. Those those linemen run a 460 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: little hot sometimes it's a little angry sometimes, So like 461 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: I like being down there for that. I'm excited to 462 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: go and see how that plays out. And I also 463 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: just see how that our receiver room develops. You know. Yeah, 464 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: we got a lot of guys who are looking to 465 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: prove themselves and make some play. So you know, it's 466 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: just because let's see who wants to go make the play. 467 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: The play has gotta be made, so all right, since 468 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: you mentioned it, obviously we know how good of a 469 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: point return at calif is average over ten yards per return. 470 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: I think it was fourth in the league last year, 471 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: and that's a terrific security blanket there. Jamison Williams, the 472 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: rookie out of Alabama then over the twelve overall pick. 473 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure you want some of that tape. That was 474 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: pretty exciting watch. How much will you and fit Maybe 475 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: nudge Dan a little bit, Hey, yeah, put the receiver 476 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: back there a little bit. Let's see what you know. 477 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: Once he gets back out there, you know, we'll probably 478 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: you know, throw a little hints out there, try to 479 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: get the keys to the car. You know, I'm sure, 480 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure Mercedes right there. Hey, he might be McLaren 481 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: or Ferrare, we got we gotta ask him that one. Um, 482 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: but you know, I think Jamo might. He'll probably be 483 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: the one asking to get back there before anybody else. 484 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: That dude was competitive him and he loves ball, so 485 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me. I fifth and went out like that. 486 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: You know, I heard that about him. I had Antoine 487 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: Randall l on the pod last week and he said 488 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: Jamison reminds him a little bit of Saint Brown and 489 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: the fact that you almost have to like reel him in. Yeah, 490 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: like he wants to do special teams. He wants to 491 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: go do this and this, and it's like, hey, Saint Brown, 492 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: like you got to focus on this right now. But 493 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: Jamison seems like the same guy, just kind of a 494 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: guy who just loves ball. Do you get that impression? Oh? Absolutely, 495 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: he lights up whenever you know. To me, he lights 496 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: up when he's in this building. Whenever I see him. 497 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: He's great to be around. Even out there on the field, 498 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: everybody talks about when he steps between the white lines, 499 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: he definitely glows in. But when he's in this building, 500 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: he's locked in. He's in every one of our special 501 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: teams meetings, you know, locked in. You know, we show 502 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: his a lot of his you know, special team stuff 503 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: that he did in college. You know, my favorite one 504 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: is the gunner clip. I mean he goes and then 505 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: he sends this dude into another realm. So like, let's 506 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: see that often by star wide receivers. Now he goas 507 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: to that mindset that you talked about about wanting to 508 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: do special teams, just wanting to be a football player. 509 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: I mean he's he's a gritty dude, that's what. That's 510 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: the type of guys that we look for. We look 511 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: for guys that have grit that you know, hit. Most 512 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: receivers probably wouldn't want to run down on a punt 513 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: after playing a full you know, possession on offense. But 514 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: to run down, be the first one down and then 515 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: blow someone's face off like that shows who you are. 516 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: Like that shows your football character. And this dude has 517 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: exactly what we like. Special guy like him who more 518 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: often than not he's running those deep routes, vertical routes 519 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: and now boom, hey run full speed money. Yeah. All right. 520 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: Another guy, another rookie I wanted to ask you about, 521 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: is Malcolm Rodriguez a linebacker. To me, there's a smile, Yeah, 522 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: your guy, and I know Chet likes him as well, 523 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: and just a guy who maybe has come in and 524 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: maybe made a good first impression with just his ability 525 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: to pick up the playbook and kind of jump in seamlessly. 526 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: To me, he seems like he's got a skill set 527 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: that would really translate to special. Smart, you can play 528 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: in the open field, got some speed, an athlete form 529 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: a quarterback who did everything four or five two type guy. 530 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: Just what are you for? Maybe the first impressions of 531 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: that young man, Malcolm, very smart individual, you know, low 532 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: maintenance player. And as a coach, that's a great thing 533 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: you can teach. So low maintenance player is you give 534 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: him something, a technique to work on at one time. 535 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: You know, you explain it to him, you know, the 536 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: first time, and he gets it. You don't have to 537 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: go back to him and try to re explain it 538 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: that way or find a different way to give it 539 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: to him, or another different way to give it to him, 540 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: and then he can't get it out on the field 541 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: like he takes you know, verbal coaching, you know, up 542 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: on the board, coaching, whatever it is, from the meeting 543 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: to the practice field, you know, almost instantly. And as 544 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: a coach that's a great thing because we have a 545 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: lot of other guys that we have to you know, 546 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: catch up to the rest of the group. And if 547 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, a guy can do that on his own 548 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: and we can give him the techniques, he can then 549 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: go and put in you know, the ten thousand hours 550 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: on his own and you know, just work on the 551 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: little things, the repetition of it. And Malcolm is an 552 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: amazing job at that. How much pride to you and 553 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: fit take in the fact that you guys made Rick 554 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: Gossling's you know ranking, He obviously every year ranks the 555 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: top special teams units. You guys finished in the top 556 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: ten and of that unit. And we talked to day 557 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: before and he kind of tracks that he respects Rick, 558 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: and Rick's been doing this for a long long time. 559 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: Just how much pride do you guys take in the 560 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: fact that as a unit overall it's not just well, yeah, 561 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: we're pretty good punt return unit, but also kick return, covering, kicks, 562 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: everything else associated with that's an overall ranking. How much 563 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: pride do you take and being one of the better 564 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: units ultramendous amount of pride, you know, no matter whose 565 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: list it is, UM, anytime you can be, you know, 566 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: included at the top of a list amongst the best, 567 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: that's where you would want to be. UM. But really 568 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: it just it falls in line with our goals, UM 569 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: coach Campbell. You know, he said he has fit for 570 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: our goals before the season. He just did that, I 571 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: think today actually, and we have you know, a couple 572 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 1: of goals for our four major you know, our four 573 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: core categories for special teams. You know that's punt return, 574 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: kick return, punt and kick cover and uh, really we'd 575 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: like to be top ten and every single one of those. 576 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: And if you average out where you're at and where 577 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: you rank in that you know, those four major categories, 578 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: and you take the average, you know that would be 579 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: the best team. And we want to be the best 580 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: team in all four of those categories. Um, So it's 581 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: it's just a big thing for us, you know, Like 582 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: that's we we set. We set a goal for it, 583 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: and normally we don't just set goals to set them, 584 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: like we fully intend on achieving. And it seems like 585 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: you got the players to do it. I mean it 586 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: starts the goals got around. Yeah, it starts for those guys. 587 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: I'm speaking with Jet Mockins, the assistant Special Teams coach, 588 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: and before we go, Jet out camp is six weeks away. 589 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: What is this time for you? Like, I know, do 590 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: you do you get away a little bit? Do you 591 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: have to get away a little bit? Can you get away? What? What? 592 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: What's the year in your plans here for the next 593 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: six weeks or so before camps? Yeah, I like to travel. 594 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm a big traveler. So I'm gonna go out to 595 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: Dallas for a little family trip. Um at the end 596 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: of this month, I'll come back before the fourth I'll 597 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: head up to Traverse City for a little bit. Check 598 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: out Northern Michigan my first time. Oh you've never been. 599 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: You've never been Cherry Festival up there? Uh yeah, I 600 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: guess I around. Yeah, So my wife's my wife's father 601 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: lives up there right on East Bay, and so we 602 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: go out there every year too. So yeah, you're gonna 603 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: love it. Sounds good. I love z food, drink everything. 604 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: It's good. And finally, chat, what's the one thing you 605 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: are looking forward to the most come the start of 606 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: training camp? Is it a battle? Is it just to 607 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: see how this roster goes, to see how much improved 608 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: you guys are. What do you look forward to the 609 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: most that first week of training camp? Just grinding, getting 610 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: back to it, getting back out there with the players, 611 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: being back out on the grass, you know, getting better 612 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,239 Speaker 1: every day. I love that type of regimen that every day, 613 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: that all day like we are all in on what 614 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: we're trying to accomplish. And that's what I'm looking forward to, 615 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: is just getting in there and putting in the work. 616 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: You know, we want to win a lot of games, 617 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: man like, and there's only one way to do it, 618 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: and that's to put in the work the right way. Okay, 619 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: let's finish on this, because you have a really good 620 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: grasp of this roster one through ninety. Is this are 621 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: you guys in a better situation roster wise? It seems 622 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: like Brad did a really good job of kind of 623 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: feel and some holes and getting some guys that can 624 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: help you out in the draft. When you look at 625 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 1: this roster one through ninety from where you are right 626 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: now from where you were last year, how much more 627 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: encouraged about the talent, the depth, and just the roster 628 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: one through ninety. I mean every single every single player, 629 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: Uh you know this came in this offseason since last 630 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: season ended, has just done a lot of good things, 631 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: shown us a lot of great things. So I feel 632 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: great compared to where we were last year. You know, 633 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: last year it was a lot of learning the guys 634 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: were working with, you know, our first time working with 635 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: these players, so we had to just figure out, you know, 636 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: what guys do good, what guys do you know not 637 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: so good, and putting him in the positions to you know, 638 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: be successful. Now we're coming into this year having already 639 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: worked with a lot of these guys, so we've seen 640 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: them in game situations, you know, play out and you know, 641 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: quite a few stat snaps for a lot of these guys. 642 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: So it gives us a really good idea of the 643 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: guys that we already have that we worked with last year, 644 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: how to improve those guys on what they did good, 645 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: also how to improve on what they didn't do good. 646 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: And then you know, just catching those rookies up, those 647 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: guys that we didn't get to work with. It's just 648 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, kind of back at square one sound, but 649 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: it's way better having as you know, the larger chunk 650 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: of the team already have that work done. Sounds like 651 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: the theme has hit the ground running. Oh yeah, oh yeah, 652 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: hit the ground running absolutely well. He is Jet Mokins. 653 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: That was a great little half hour there. I love 654 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: talking special teams because you guys, like I said, you 655 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: know the roster up and down, you know everything. I 656 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: love getting you guys as viewpoints. Thanks for joining me 657 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: for another episode of twenty Him in the Huddle will 658 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: be back next week.