Speaker 1: Hello friends, and welcome to the Powerful Podcast. I'm your
Speaker 1: host AJ McCord.
Speaker 2: In this podcast, we introduced you to powerful women who
Speaker 2: were changing the game in and outside of their field
Speaker 2: of play. These are women's stories, women who happen to
Speaker 2: be doing things that many of us can only dream of,
Speaker 2: but the lessons and inspiration they share is universal.
Speaker 1: Hello friends, welcome back to the Powerful Podcast. I'm your
Speaker 1: host AJ McCord, and I could not be more excited
Speaker 1: to introduce you to a woman who is a trailblazer.
Speaker 1: She is a badass and yet she's doing it all
Speaker 1: just by being herself. And she has made an impact
Speaker 1: in moto sports for women and girls to look up to.
Speaker 1: She represented as the only female in Motoac's Best Whip
Speaker 1: at the X Game's thirtieth anniversary event in Salt Lake
Speaker 1: City earlier this summer. Vicki Golden is as much of
Speaker 1: a powerhouse off her bike as she is on it.
Speaker 1: And I cannot wait for you to get to know
Speaker 1: this woman under the hell and the gear, who's always
Speaker 1: out there with the boys, pushing the envelope at every
Speaker 1: single rev of the engine. This is a powerful podcast.
Speaker 1: I am so excited because there is hardly a first
Speaker 1: in moto that she has not done. She has three
Speaker 1: X Games gold medalist. She was an eSPI nominated athlete
Speaker 1: for the Best Female Action Sports Athlete. She was Let's
Speaker 1: see where else do we go from here? My gosh.
Speaker 1: She won a bronze medal and Moto X whip. She
Speaker 1: was the first female member of SoCal Female motocross team
Speaker 1: medal Militia. She was the first one to do a
Speaker 1: backflip on the moon Booter ramp, which I cannot wait
Speaker 1: to hear more about a nitro circus. Vicki Golden, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for joining the Powerful podcast.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm so thrilled because I feel like I've been watching
Speaker 1: your highlight reels in sort of preparation for this interview,
Speaker 1: and every single time you take off on a ramp,
Speaker 1: I lose my breath. I'm like, oh, my gosh. But
Speaker 1: you're so confident and so skilled and so dare I say,
Speaker 1: as you go off of these ramps and perform these
Speaker 1: chick there's just a flow to it that is so
Speaker 1: powerfully beautiful to watch. So the first question I want
Speaker 1: to ask you is, what is a moment this week
Speaker 1: that made you feel powerful.
Speaker 3: Man, it's been tough. Just this whole X Games invite
Speaker 3: was very last minute. I was coming here anyways to
Speaker 3: be the FMX analysis and he'll commentate and just talk
Speaker 3: about how gnarly all my friends are. So this invite
Speaker 3: came in very last minute, and we were very underprepared.
Speaker 3: We didn't have a bike ready. I just shipped my
Speaker 3: last bike to a show that's coming that I have
Speaker 3: to do after X Games, so we didn't even have
Speaker 3: a bike ready. So it was kind of just a
Speaker 3: last minute hustle. So I really didn't have time to
Speaker 3: get ready. And we have a new ramp called the
Speaker 3: Next Gin, which is not what I typically ride, and
Speaker 3: it's not what most athletes have access to, especially where
Speaker 3: I live. So it was just like, Okay, we're coming here,
Speaker 3: We're going to try this new ramp that I've never
Speaker 3: jumped before, and yeah, it was just just kind of
Speaker 3: a wild thing. So it was just kind of a
Speaker 3: good question goal to tick off and just and just
Speaker 3: see what I can do off of it when I've
Speaker 3: never jumped it before and it's typically not you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of the guys are like, this is not
Speaker 3: like how you're supposed to do this, but you're doing
Speaker 3: it anyway. So it's just cool to like get that.
Speaker 3: I guess, you know, the props from all the other
Speaker 3: guys of you know, what I'm doing just to exist
Speaker 3: and live and breathe and operate this way, and they're
Speaker 3: just you know, they're very impressed, which is is very
Speaker 3: humbling because what they do is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I feel like that refrain is something that
Speaker 1: I hope you've been told your entire life, Like I
Speaker 1: hope you have been told your entire life that what
Speaker 1: you're doing is incredibly impressive, because it is. You started
Speaker 1: writing at about five years old, right, So how did
Speaker 1: you get into motocross supercross?
Speaker 3: How did you get into writing? Man? Just my dad
Speaker 3: he had a two wheeled passion from as far back
Speaker 3: as I can remember. He just he loved dirt bikes.
Speaker 3: He loved random and that was that was the same
Speaker 3: passion he kind of just passed on to me, And
Speaker 3: even through ups and downs in the sport, he still
Speaker 3: freaking love dirt bikes. So I think it's just I
Speaker 3: just have a love and passion for it. So that's
Speaker 3: what's carried me so far, is that I'll be out
Speaker 3: there first and I'll be the last one out there.
Speaker 1: Is just because I love riding like I just can't
Speaker 1: stop well. And that reminds me the whole reason we're
Speaker 1: linking up here. We are at the X Games in
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. You're the only woman in the field
Speaker 1: here in Moto X You're going to compete in best Whip.
Speaker 3: So can you break down for us what is best whip?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, best whip is a category where you're trying to
Speaker 3: get your bike upside down, backwards, you know, any which
Speaker 3: way of opposite you know, upright rotation or direction I
Speaker 3: should say, And it's just you know, trying to bring
Speaker 3: it backwards and bring it back towards the landing or
Speaker 3: bring it upside down and up you know, inverted and
Speaker 3: then hit the landing. So that's basically what a whip is.
Speaker 3: It's something kind of like a style thing in motocross
Speaker 3: racing that is like a show off typing in racing,
Speaker 3: to where it's become this own category to where who
Speaker 3: can basically show off the biggest.
Speaker 1: I guess so sick and I've been able to watch
Speaker 1: a little bit of practice, and so I'm excited to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about X games in your
Speaker 1: career currently, but I want to go back to what
Speaker 1: you were telling me about your dad, because I know
Speaker 1: he's a massive part of your story, and you mentioned
Speaker 1: some of the ups and downs, but his consistency and
Speaker 1: two things throughout it, which is one his love of
Speaker 1: dirt bikes and his love of riding, and to his
Speaker 1: support of you, his daughter competing in all of these
Speaker 1: very much male dominated field. I think it was you
Speaker 1: were in your teens before you competed in a women's division,
Speaker 1: because I don't know how few women there were.
Speaker 3: Doing what you did.
Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit more about your dad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was unbelievable. He just had a die hard
Speaker 3: passion for two wheels and he wasn't necessarily, you know,
Speaker 3: the best level you know rider. I think he grew
Speaker 3: up racing and I think when I was around racing
Speaker 3: with him, he was in the VET novice class, which
Speaker 3: that's two below or two or three below professional levels.
Speaker 3: So he just you know, it wasn't about how fast
Speaker 3: you can go. It was just he wanted to have
Speaker 3: fun and he enjoyed it and it was something we
Speaker 3: could do as a family. So that was just something
Speaker 3: he passed on to me was that just die hard
Speaker 3: passion of just two wheels. So even after he got hurt,
Speaker 3: he ended up getting paralyzed when I was about twelve
Speaker 3: or thirteen, and even after, he still loved the sport.
Speaker 3: So you know, how do you look at that and
Speaker 3: say something you could absolutely understand hating? He still freaking
Speaker 3: loved the sport, so you know, we still shared that,
Speaker 3: you know, till he passed aways. Anytime he wanted to talk,
Speaker 3: he was about dirt bikes. He loved it.
Speaker 1: What was it like to grow up with him so
Speaker 1: die hard in your corner?
Speaker 3: It was just natural really, I mean every parent you
Speaker 3: know wants to be, you know, your biggest supporter, and
Speaker 3: they sometimes they want it more than you do. So
Speaker 3: it was it was cool like he always did whatever
Speaker 3: he could. Him and my mom always did with what
Speaker 3: they could. They were never, you know, the best off financially,
Speaker 3: so they worked really hard to give me what I
Speaker 3: needed to go and ride and compete and just you know,
Speaker 3: go ride and have fun. So just to see how
Speaker 3: hard they work just to give me that, you know,
Speaker 3: it just you know, once again, it just fell on
Speaker 3: to me of like I can't waste you know, their
Speaker 3: harder and money at this So it just became of,
Speaker 3: you know, we were taking it seriously but having fun
Speaker 3: along the way, and there was no pressure they put
Speaker 3: on me. It was just I saw how hard they
Speaker 3: were working, and I didn't want to waste their money
Speaker 3: and you know, not do what the trainer would tell
Speaker 3: me to do, or you know, not ride as much
Speaker 3: as I should for the entry fee of going to
Speaker 3: ride in a practice track. So I just didn't want
Speaker 3: to waste their money, so I just put in the work.
Speaker 1: It sounds like the thread is very much you were
Speaker 1: raised on appreciation for what you have and like really
Speaker 1: committing to going after your goals and absolutely really making
Speaker 1: sure that you don't half ass anything. And I think
Speaker 1: what we know to be true in a lot of
Speaker 1: extreme sports is that actually half assing is probably the
Speaker 1: worst thing you can do.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's honestly the most dangerous thing is when you
Speaker 3: start half assing things. Is when you're half in and
Speaker 3: your mind's maybe half out. So that's where things get dangerous.
Speaker 3: And that's honestly, usually when a lot of us get
Speaker 3: hurt is when we're not one hundred percent focused or
Speaker 3: we're half focused and have maybe having almost too much
Speaker 3: fun and not paying attention to what we're doing is
Speaker 3: usually what happens and we hit the ground. So try
Speaker 3: and stay one hundred percent focused. And I mean it
Speaker 3: still happens. There's there's still times you're gonna hit the ground,
Speaker 3: but try to minimize this.
Speaker 1: I was a whitewater rafting guide in college and we
Speaker 1: had a saying that was hesitation is devastation because if
Speaker 1: you hesitate, you know, there's like a million paths that
Speaker 1: you can choose on a river and based on the
Speaker 1: water level or like what rocks of me that like,
Speaker 1: based on a million different factors, you can take a
Speaker 1: different route and the worst thing you can do is hesitate,
Speaker 1: because it's like then it leads to devastation. You end
Speaker 1: up hitting the side, you end up flipping into its terror.
Speaker 1: I can attest my worst days on the river was
Speaker 1: when I hesitate.
Speaker 3: Always is when you're always paying attention. Yeah, that's exactly
Speaker 3: how it goes. And even yeah, I don't know. Every
Speaker 3: time I hop on a bike, I know if I
Speaker 3: can just trust what I have inside of the muscle
Speaker 3: memory I have on a bike, that's usually what gets
Speaker 3: me through. If I start thinking overthinking. That's when bad
Speaker 3: stuff usually happens.
Speaker 1: So you turned pro in your teams. But this mindset
Speaker 1: is so critical to your success, I can imagine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So how did you develop that mindset? Because I feel
Speaker 1: like in every sport, like the mentality side of the
Speaker 1: game is at least half of it.
Speaker 3: Oftentimes it's more depending on the sport.
Speaker 1: So for you, you developed this incredible ability on a bike,
Speaker 1: But how did you learn the mental side of what
Speaker 1: it took to be the best?
Speaker 3: It definitely took a lot of years. I mean I
Speaker 3: don't think I got I mean I don't think there's
Speaker 3: ever a finish line to how mentally strong it can be.
Speaker 3: So that's usually what keeps you pushing for more. But
Speaker 3: just throughout my years of racing and things like that,
Speaker 3: I went and raced Men's Professional Supercross, and my biggest
Speaker 3: weakness was pulling the trigger on certain obstacles and it
Speaker 3: was just you know, too little, too late. And if
Speaker 3: I would have just pulled this trigger sooner, I would
Speaker 3: have gotten comfortable quicker, and you know a lot of
Speaker 3: times would have gotten better. And I just waited way
Speaker 3: too long. And part of it was that I wasn't
Speaker 3: one hundred percent comfortable with what I was on. But
Speaker 3: once I transitioned into free ride and freestyle and got
Speaker 3: on the four fifty, which is a bigger motorcycle than
Speaker 3: I was racing with and just having almost endless power,
Speaker 3: it would just kind of opened up a whole new
Speaker 3: world for me to where I wasn't worried about, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't know if my bike can make that because
Speaker 3: I didn't have the power, and just having that mindset
Speaker 3: of like, okay, you have you have no excuse now,
Speaker 3: like you have all the power in the world, your
Speaker 3: bike is fully set up to what you want. Now
Speaker 3: it's time to work on your weaknesses, which was mentally
Speaker 3: for me and just I kind of just struggled a
Speaker 3: little bit to pull the trigger, And honestly what made
Speaker 3: it better was knowing how long it takes me compared
Speaker 3: to the guys to warm up and get comfortable back in.
Speaker 3: I think when I first started going to X Games,
Speaker 3: we were only allotted about fifteen minute practice. Wow, So
Speaker 3: I didn't want to waste five of it trying to figure,
Speaker 3: you know, get my timing to even jump the jump right.
Speaker 3: So that was that was kind of my first main goal,
Speaker 3: is I think it was. I think it was text
Speaker 3: When I realized that we were only getting about fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3: I didn't even test around the ramp. I just went
Speaker 3: and jumped it before anybody, any of the guys, And
Speaker 3: that way I saved myself five minutes so I could
Speaker 3: get comfortable. Because once they jump it, they're instantly comfortable.
Speaker 3: It just took me a little bit longer. So I
Speaker 3: had to find a way to give myself back the
Speaker 3: advantage and just be on that level playing field with them.
Speaker 3: And that just initialized realizing that if I just trust
Speaker 3: my gut, we don't have to go through this like,
Speaker 3: oh I don't know if I got it, I don't know,
Speaker 3: and just go this overthinking campster wheel that ends up happening.
Speaker 3: So even today, you know, we had this new ramp.
Speaker 3: I've never jumped it before, and before I could get
Speaker 3: myself to overthink it, I just went and did it.
Speaker 3: So it's worked so far, so I'm gonna keep doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and it's incredible because I think it's so
Speaker 1: fascinating to talk with women who had to compete against
Speaker 1: men growing up because there just weren't many women in
Speaker 1: right sport, and so you do have to find a way,
Speaker 1: like you said, to get back that advantage. How do
Speaker 1: I make sure that I can like compete among a
Speaker 1: class of people that in a lot of sports you
Speaker 1: don't have to write there's fens divisions in a lot
Speaker 1: of other sports. What is the thing growing up competing
Speaker 1: against the boys against the men? How did that shape
Speaker 1: you as a person and as an athlete?
Speaker 3: I think it just shaped me the way of just
Speaker 3: always being kind of the underdog. I was never you know,
Speaker 3: we didn't really have a lot of women's categories for anything,
Speaker 3: so I've never really had a feeling of being the
Speaker 3: big fish in a little pond. I had it a
Speaker 3: little bit when X Games had women's mote across it
Speaker 3: and I was winning that. Once that yeah, once I
Speaker 3: won those, and then that kind of that discipline went away.
Speaker 3: You know, I still wanted to go and compete X Games,
Speaker 3: and there was only one category for me to go,
Speaker 3: so I went into Best Whip and thankfully they were
Speaker 3: gracious enough to give me the chance and the opportunity
Speaker 3: to get that invite. And then it just turned into
Speaker 3: just kind of just you don't really have the option
Speaker 3: of like the way I look at is the obstacle
Speaker 3: doesn't care whether you're man or a minute. You have
Speaker 3: to jump at regardless. The same thing when I go
Speaker 3: to Red Bull imagination, you can be the best in
Speaker 3: the world because you have to be to do the
Speaker 3: obstacles just to be there. So that's kind of where
Speaker 3: I got this, you know, more of a stronger mentality
Speaker 3: of just truly understanding, like these guys technically are better,
Speaker 3: but my mindset just it probably sounds delusional, but like
Speaker 3: the way I look at them, I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm here to beat them. Whether I do it or
Speaker 3: not is a different story. But I'd rather aim for
Speaker 3: first and get fifth than aim for fifth and get eight.
Speaker 3: So I'd just rather, you know, look at them and say,
Speaker 3: I'm no different, Let's do this and see where we go,
Speaker 3: because I'd rather not be like, well it'd be nice
Speaker 3: to get like six. You know, that's that's not really
Speaker 3: a good way to think. So yeah, just being around
Speaker 3: all these guys and they're so helpful too, Like we're
Speaker 3: a big family, so you know, they're all we're all
Speaker 3: here for each other, especially in our discipline. There's there's
Speaker 3: only one place to crash, and if we crash on
Speaker 3: what we do, it's never good, so none of us
Speaker 3: we don't want to see our friends get hurt. So
Speaker 3: we're just such a big family that we all support
Speaker 3: each other. You know, it's no different you know, man
Speaker 3: or a woman. It's just we're here to ride our
Speaker 3: bikes and have fun and try and do it safely.
Speaker 1: Is there an element I feel like right now the
Speaker 1: conversation in women's sports in general is about sort of
Speaker 1: owning the space that you're in and like trying to,
Speaker 1: I guess, change the narrative around imposter syndrome in particular,
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, hey, we don't we shouldn't
Speaker 1: have this imposter syndrome, and how do we battle that
Speaker 1: and how do we ensure that the next generation just
Speaker 1: doesn't even like wonder if they belong? I feel like
Speaker 1: talking with you, that's something that you have developed throughout
Speaker 1: your career. Like I don't hear any imposter syndrome. I
Speaker 1: don't hear any like, oh, I wonder if I don't
Speaker 1: belong because I'm the only woman. It's like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna shoot for first and if I get fifth, cool,
Speaker 1: but like I'm giving it my best and I belong here.
Speaker 3: How did you develop that. I mean, I think it
Speaker 3: had to do with the guys I was riding with around.
Speaker 3: They kind of pulled my girl card a long time
Speaker 3: ago to where it was like, Hey, if we're jumping this,
Speaker 3: you gotta jump this, and say and vice versa. There'd
Speaker 3: be moments where I would jump at first and then like, shoot,
Speaker 3: now we gotta jump it. So it was just I mean,
Speaker 3: just being around, Like I'm just very lucky that the
Speaker 3: friends that I have and the friends and family I
Speaker 3: have just so happened to be the best in the
Speaker 3: world at what they do too, So just being around
Speaker 3: them and having their guidance too. But when it comes
Speaker 3: down to it, like I mentioned of an invite to
Speaker 3: hear or an invite to Red Bull Imagination, it's, you know,
Speaker 3: there's only it doesn't matter man or woman, like you
Speaker 3: have to know you belong. But that's where I also,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of just trust in that too. I
Speaker 3: do have moments from my shoot. I don't know like
Speaker 3: if if this, you know, slot should have went to
Speaker 3: me and I'm like struggling, But usually it comes with
Speaker 3: something like I might have, you know, be aggravated an
Speaker 3: injury or something. Then it kind of just ticks off
Speaker 3: a little to my confidence. But that's when you know,
Speaker 3: my friends my family are like, you know, you're invited
Speaker 3: here for a reason. It's not like you just are
Speaker 3: here just because you're a girl like that. That ain't
Speaker 3: gonna work here, you know, like there, you have to
Speaker 3: be able to do it to be able to even
Speaker 3: be invited here. So they're like if if if I
Speaker 3: don't believe myself, they believe me. And that's they usually
Speaker 3: are the ones that pick me up. But I have
Speaker 3: rare moments like that. But I've been around this sport
Speaker 3: long enough to know that it all comes around. So
Speaker 3: I think so negatively when you can just clip all
Speaker 3: that and just move on and just figure it out
Speaker 3: with a smile on your fingers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't worm up.
Speaker 3: Just take the jump.
Speaker 1: Yep, they just take the ram. We don't need to
Speaker 1: go through the rigor of and role of like the
Speaker 1: mental gymnastics that do I belong here? Do I know exactly?
Speaker 1: And am I invited because I'm a woman? Or am
Speaker 1: I invited because I'm one of the best And the
Speaker 1: answers your invited because you're one of the best, exactly.
Speaker 3: So I just if I ever have those moments, which,
Speaker 3: like I said, they're rare, but they pop through every
Speaker 3: very while, and that's just why I'm like, well, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm here for a reason, so let's let's just do it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's save some time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm all about saving time.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, logic comes into play somehow, and I'm just like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna waste time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm gonna end up in the same spot,
Speaker 1: which is with a with a spot.
Speaker 3: At this event to do my best exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I want to talk about the injuries because
Speaker 1: I think that is one of the things that is
Speaker 1: universal across every single sport is how do you manage it? However,
Speaker 1: it is rare to be in a sport where your
Speaker 1: equipment outweighs you by a decent amount. How much does
Speaker 1: your bikeway? I believe it's around to fifty Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's like outweighs you by a decent junk of change. There,
Speaker 1: How do you I mean? And I guess we could
Speaker 1: run through the list of injuries, but I know you're
Speaker 1: you're missing are you're missing several ligaments in one.
Speaker 3: Of the knees? Yeah, I'm an m a shel orminuistcation
Speaker 3: in my left meee, we just we just run that
Speaker 3: cool cool okay that it comes and goes kind of
Speaker 3: gets reaggravated, but it's it's I mean, thankfully we have
Speaker 3: suspension on a bike, so it kind of makes up for,
Speaker 3: you know, the need not being the greatest. But my
Speaker 3: main injuries was almost lost my leg in two thousand
Speaker 3: and eighteen. Yeah, and just exploded my ankle, shattered my heel,
Speaker 3: every bone and foot was broken in some form, and
Speaker 3: I developed compartment syndrome. Had a lot of complications. So
Speaker 3: eight surgeries and a year later I was back on
Speaker 3: the bike. So that was a pretty hefty one. But
Speaker 3: the most recent one, and that's kind of what puts
Speaker 3: me in the tricky position I'm in now, is that
Speaker 3: I just recently got another injury to my wrists in
Speaker 3: my hand, and that one was kind of took me
Speaker 3: by surprise, so where I didn't really feel too much
Speaker 3: pain when I did the injury, but now coming back,
Speaker 3: it just almost feels like I'm catering and dealing with
Speaker 3: an injury instead of recovering from one. So it's definitely
Speaker 3: been a long, tedious process of trying to get back
Speaker 3: to where I was before, I before I heard it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the thing? I mean, Dad? And obviously
Speaker 1: his accident was so severe with yeah, becoming paralyized. Is
Speaker 1: that where the I mean, how much did that I
Speaker 1: don't want to say inspire, but how much did that
Speaker 1: guide your approach to an injury?
Speaker 3: It has a heavy influence on me because the first
Speaker 3: thing he said when he hit the ground and someone
Speaker 3: got to him, I gives my bike, Okay, can I
Speaker 3: keep riding? And I mean he's dealing with you know,
Speaker 3: mid chest paralysis down and he's just like keep riding.
Speaker 3: Just no clue. He's probably in shock. But sure when
Speaker 3: someone told me, I was just like, man, that that
Speaker 3: dude's insane. Like who says that once they just hit
Speaker 3: the ground and that happens, and it kind of just
Speaker 3: it never shook his passion. So the men I hit
Speaker 3: the ground and I'm okay, like I'm getting to back up,
Speaker 3: you know, like if he if that's what the first
Speaker 3: thing that pops into his head of like is can
Speaker 3: I keep riding? You know That's where I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get up if I can. Yeah. So that's
Speaker 3: kind of always a mentality always carred with me is
Speaker 3: like the job's not done until you finish. So if
Speaker 3: you if you're missing an armholl too bad. Like you're finishing.
Speaker 3: So it's just a kind of just a personal goal
Speaker 3: to tick off always, Like obviously we don't want to
Speaker 3: hit the ground, but those are the moments when the
Speaker 3: minute your brain says, man, I really don't want to
Speaker 3: do this, So that's when my brain fights back and says, nope,
Speaker 3: well now you have to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the Like I keep coming back to,
Speaker 1: how did you develop that mentality? Because for me, it's
Speaker 1: such a fascinating you know, you're talking about dealing with
Speaker 1: significant injury, significant setback, significant you know, recovery time, and
Speaker 1: that is something that a lot of us can't relate
Speaker 1: to because the types of sports that we do, Like
Speaker 1: I'm never going to jump off from a ramp with
Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifteen pound bike under me and
Speaker 1: risk landing on me right, Like, I'm never going to
Speaker 1: do that. But I feel like the development of that
Speaker 1: mentality like I deal with setbacks. I deal with smaller
Speaker 1: injuries that keep me from doing it, and so that's
Speaker 1: like the connection point that I feel like for those
Speaker 1: of you listening who are like, well, I'm never going
Speaker 1: to get on a dirt bike, I'm never going to
Speaker 1: be on a motocross. Well, sure, that's fine. But that's
Speaker 1: what I love about these sports and why sports connects
Speaker 1: us so much, is that there's still something to learn here.
Speaker 1: And if I could like bottle up your resilience, well,
Speaker 1: actually you should bottle up your resilience and sell it
Speaker 1: for a million dollars a pop, because you'd make you'd
Speaker 1: make all the money. But like, how do you do that?
Speaker 1: How do you talk to yourself in those moments to
Speaker 1: pick yourself back up?
Speaker 3: I think it just kind of came with years of
Speaker 3: doing it, unfortunately, of having those you know, emotional dips
Speaker 3: and then the highs and the lows that come with
Speaker 3: the sport or any sport or life even to where
Speaker 3: you always know, like especially when you when you're young
Speaker 3: and you get hurt, the world's over. When I'm hurt, now,
Speaker 3: I'm like great, it's the forced vacation, like this is great,
Speaker 3: and you know you kind of get to that step
Speaker 3: away that I can't do myself because I'm too attached. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I kind of I just have a better I
Speaker 3: think outlook. And at the same time too, I understand
Speaker 3: the roller coaster of emotions that go with every injury,
Speaker 3: of where even with my wrists of thinking, oh, it's
Speaker 3: never going to be the same, it's not going to
Speaker 3: get better, it always does. Life always comes back up.
Speaker 3: It's never to a point where things are fully over
Speaker 3: and it's not going to get better. You're only thinking that.
Speaker 3: So I just have dealt with that so much that
Speaker 3: I just trust that the life process, it'll come back around. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so if you just have trust in that, I
Speaker 3: just keep putting in my work I don't want. My
Speaker 3: program works for me and it builds me the way
Speaker 3: I need to be built and caters to all my
Speaker 3: needs and working on the weaknesses along the way. And
Speaker 3: I just trust in the program, even though it doesn't
Speaker 3: happen as quickly as I'd like. Sometimes it never does.
Speaker 3: It never does.
Speaker 1: I don't care how quick you recover from an injury.
Speaker 1: It's never fast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean to be fair, like, my risk
Speaker 3: has definitely tested me because as I mentioned when I
Speaker 3: when I heard it, it didn't even hurt that bad,
Speaker 3: and I ended up I dislocated a little bone in
Speaker 3: my wrist and it ruptured all the ligaments with it,
Speaker 3: and I thought I just maybe fractured my arm and
Speaker 3: it didn't even hurt that bad, and I went in
Speaker 3: and I'd nope, Like this thing was born as mythering
Speaker 3: and like potentially a career ending injury that I wasn't
Speaker 3: even expecting or anticipating, because, like I said, just you
Speaker 3: break something and you're like, oh my gosh, like that's broken,
Speaker 3: it hurts really bad. I didn't really get a lot
Speaker 3: of pain with it, and it was just like a quick,
Speaker 3: you know, explosion, and then it was done with. So
Speaker 3: it didn't really anticipate the struggles that we're going to
Speaker 3: come with it. So it definitely threw me off a
Speaker 3: little bit and I didn't expect it to take this long.
Speaker 3: And I still don't even feel like very comfortable on
Speaker 3: my bike, and I don't feel like myself because I'm
Speaker 3: dealing with such a big disconnect in my hand and
Speaker 3: trying to manage that with a disconnected you know, inkle
Speaker 3: of not having that mobility and feeling and comfort to
Speaker 3: where I have to take on this, and that was
Speaker 3: definitely very unexpected. So the emotional roller coaster was definitely
Speaker 3: I was I was taking a ride for that one.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, you just kind of like
Speaker 3: make the best of it. You know, I could have
Speaker 3: easily said no, I don't think I can do this.
Speaker 3: You know, my wrist isn't where I want it to be.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, like no opportunity wasted, Like
Speaker 3: we have to come here and give it our best,
Speaker 3: and you know you can't just you can't tell X
Speaker 3: games no. So especially when I you know, I'm riding
Speaker 3: and I'm going to do shows and it's a lot
Speaker 3: to work with. I can't ride for that long and
Speaker 3: as much as I want, and it's still just very
Speaker 3: hard for me to operate the bike and hold on
Speaker 3: the best I can. So there's a lot of setbacks.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, like you mentioned, like I
Speaker 3: just you know, we gotta try. It's just team never
Speaker 3: give up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk about team never give up. And one
Speaker 1: of the things that I think is so cool is
Speaker 1: your time in Nitro Circus and you are a Guinness
Speaker 1: World record holder because you broke let me read this
Speaker 1: so I don't get this incorrect. Okay, you hold the
Speaker 1: record for most wood walls of fire broken through on
Speaker 1: a motocross bike at thirteen, which was an Evil Canevil record,
Speaker 1: which is like an iconic like Evil Knievel is like
Speaker 1: the standard setter, right, and so on Evil Live Too.
Speaker 1: You broke Evil's record by breaking through thirteen wood walls
Speaker 1: of fire. Yeah, okay, take us inside that entire experience.
Speaker 1: What was the setup? How does one train for breaking
Speaker 1: through wood walls of fire?
Speaker 3: And we'll start there. Yeah, it was. It's definitely a
Speaker 3: different opportunity for me. I think, you know, Nitro and
Speaker 3: History Channel partnered and wanted to create Evil Live Too.
Speaker 3: And it was based along me and Axl Hodges and
Speaker 3: he's like a It's like a baby brother to me.
Speaker 3: So it was something super cool I got to do
Speaker 3: with just you know, family environment. So obviously I said, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 3: let's do this and didn't really understand, you know, the
Speaker 3: severity or the danger point because I'm so used to
Speaker 3: doing everything that's dangerous in the air, and I kind
Speaker 3: of almost underplayed it a little bit because I was like, well,
Speaker 3: if you're not leaving the ground, how scary it can
Speaker 3: it be. But you know, obviously, when you're in a
Speaker 3: completely different realm of something you've never done before, we
Speaker 3: can get a pretty hard reality check, but now it
Speaker 3: it was good. Definitely a lot different of just working
Speaker 3: all the kinks, and we did some testing of you know,
Speaker 3: going through walls not on fire, so that was that
Speaker 3: was the starting point of just you know, making sure things,
Speaker 3: you know, you go through the walls first before you
Speaker 3: light them on fire. So we did that a little bit,
Speaker 3: and then you know, worked our way into the fire,
Speaker 3: which I'm glad we did because we found out very
Speaker 3: quickly that a lot of the problems that we had
Speaker 3: to take on where fumes and the smoke and I
Speaker 3: don't know, obviously most people have been around a campfire.
Speaker 3: The wind changes and the smoke right heat go into
Speaker 3: your face, and I was just getting that through the
Speaker 3: full pass and if you're by a campfire, you just
Speaker 3: turn around or look away and cover your eyes. And
Speaker 3: can't do that. And the way they built the walls
Speaker 3: is that they were attached to metal beams to hold
Speaker 3: them up, so there was no exit point once I entered,
Speaker 3: and then I had the fumes and the heat and
Speaker 3: the smoke going in my eyes and we had one
Speaker 3: path that was pretty scary to where I was. I
Speaker 3: was my eyes were just closing and watering and I
Speaker 3: wanted to, you know, I was I wanted to get out,
Speaker 3: but there's no exit point by the time once you enter.
Speaker 3: So that was the most complicated part of just dealing
Speaker 3: with all that. But you know, I worked very closely
Speaker 3: with Thehummets and one of the one of my homies
Speaker 3: works there, and he drove out immediately, brought some super
Speaker 3: glue and made sure he taped and closed all the
Speaker 3: events just so no fumes were getting in. And then
Speaker 3: we put an off road mask or skirt on and
Speaker 3: tucked that into my suit. And once we did that,
Speaker 3: things were a lot better. But it was it was
Speaker 3: also you know, midsummer and very hot, so then I
Speaker 3: had zero airflow. It was like the very last minute,
Speaker 3: I can put all my stuff on and let's do that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was that was the scariest moment of you know,
Speaker 3: learning some things the hard way. But once we got
Speaker 3: that figured out, got speed and good control and figured
Speaker 3: out you know, what a good speed to go through
Speaker 3: or the bare minimum speed you can go through these
Speaker 3: and just figuring out all the details. Yeah, it went
Speaker 3: went really smooth.
Speaker 1: What would five year old VICKI say if she saw
Speaker 1: however old you were at that point if she if
Speaker 1: you told her, hey, in X number of years, you're
Speaker 1: going to have a chance to become a world record
Speaker 1: holder by busting through thirteen wall wooden walls of fire.
Speaker 3: What would five year old Vicky say? Yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: think I'd believe myself. We were never a family, and
Speaker 3: even back then, there wasn't like a I want to
Speaker 3: be like her when I grew up or anything like that.
Speaker 3: There were no role models to be looked at. So
Speaker 3: I was just doing what you know, all the boys
Speaker 3: I was riding with was doing and going through the
Speaker 3: motions of the sport, not as you know, a female.
Speaker 3: We were just going through the motions and you know,
Speaker 3: doing the best we could and always trying to better ourselves.
Speaker 3: And then you know, it got to a point where
Speaker 3: our you know, these opportunities start presenting themselves. And that
Speaker 3: was kind of one of those things where I was
Speaker 3: just so busy putting my head down and working, and
Speaker 3: by the time I got to a place of making
Speaker 3: money and calling this a job, I was able to
Speaker 3: kind of pick my head up, smell the roses and
Speaker 3: realize how far I'd come. But yeah, I just always
Speaker 3: kind of never even paid attention to it and just
Speaker 3: put my head down at work.
Speaker 1: So when people call you a trailblazer, how does that
Speaker 1: feel for you?
Speaker 3: Kind of surreal because I'm just so used to just
Speaker 3: being in my own little bubble with all my friends,
Speaker 3: and that's been you know, dorks and not even thinking
Speaker 3: about what we're doing and someone almost crashes and they
Speaker 3: almost die and we laugh it off, and we're just
Speaker 3: in our own little bubble to where we're just so desensitized.
Speaker 3: So when someone new comes in and they're like, oh
Speaker 3: my gosh, this is crazy, really what we do this
Speaker 3: every day, you know, and we're so desensitized to it.
Speaker 3: But you know, at the same day, you know, Taka,
Speaker 3: for example, he'll do his whole X game from in
Speaker 3: practice on a Tuesday, and you know, it still blows
Speaker 3: me away, but at the same time, like a ride
Speaker 3: with them every day. So I see this every day,
Speaker 3: and I don't know, I still try and lift him
Speaker 3: up because it's gnarally what he does and what all
Speaker 3: of them do and what we all try and do
Speaker 3: is just we're just so tucked into our own little bubble.
Speaker 3: We have no idea what else is, you know, what
Speaker 3: people think about from the outside looking until we go
Speaker 3: to these events or go to shows and some places
Speaker 3: like I remember we went to an f one and
Speaker 3: they were just mind blown that. They were like, you're
Speaker 3: going to jump from there to there? Yep, And I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I gotta come see this. They didn't
Speaker 3: even care that we were doing tricks. It was just
Speaker 3: the fact that we were going to jump a bike
Speaker 3: from there to there, and they were mind blown. So
Speaker 3: it is cool to kind of be able to see
Speaker 3: it from an outsider's perspective and gives us a little
Speaker 3: bit of like a breath of fresh air yea, so
Speaker 3: to speak, little in your steps. Yeah that's right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I am doing something pretty cool. Yeah, especially I mean
Speaker 3: your around all guys, they just poke it you NonStop,
Speaker 3: so you do whatever you can to outdo them. So
Speaker 3: so it's just never ending of never good enough, especially
Speaker 3: with all of our mentalities there. So it is nice
Speaker 3: to have a little power on the back from the fans.
Speaker 1: Have you had a moment where you mentioned that you know,
Speaker 1: you didn't you didn't follow the path of being a
Speaker 1: woman in the sport because there wasn't a path for
Speaker 1: women in your sport. Have you had moments yet because
Speaker 1: if they haven't happened yet. I'm sure they're coming, But
Speaker 1: have you had moments yet where you've had the next
Speaker 1: generation of female motocross riders or a moment in a
Speaker 1: show where a girl looked at you and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: like you had that moment of realizing that you are
Speaker 1: someone's If you can see it, you can be it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's happening more and more, and I
Speaker 3: think that's the cool part about being where I'm at
Speaker 3: and seeing the next generation come through, because it was
Speaker 3: so scarce before and now it's almost very common. So
Speaker 3: that even just that change of growing up of not
Speaker 3: having any females to ride with and now I see,
Speaker 3: you know, a group of them going riding. So it's
Speaker 3: just it's cool to see that it's growing and just
Speaker 3: see even women, no matter what age they are of
Speaker 3: like well, yeah, no, she's doing I want to try it.
Speaker 3: And even that's where I kind of try to create
Speaker 3: this event called Over and Out to just bring women's
Speaker 3: riders together no matter what the age, and just give
Speaker 3: them environment to just ride and have fun and meet
Speaker 3: people that are like minded. So it's just cool to
Speaker 3: see on no matter what level, we have so many
Speaker 3: more women getting into the sport. And I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: sit here and be like, oh, yeah, it's because of me,
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I just I just just doing
Speaker 3: what I do and if people love it then then
Speaker 3: they want to try it. Then you know my job is,
Speaker 3: My job is complete.
Speaker 1: Tell me more about your event. It's called over and Out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we try and do it once a year. My
Speaker 3: schedule is a little busy, and I do have a
Speaker 3: lot of young kids that are like, oh, could you
Speaker 3: train my kid? And you know a lot of parents
Speaker 3: asking that, and I always say no because my schedule
Speaker 3: is so crazy and they deserve the consistency and I
Speaker 3: just can't give them that. So I just try and
Speaker 3: create an event to where I can give them an
Speaker 3: experience and spend time with them and go ride with
Speaker 3: them and you know, coach whoever wants to be coached,
Speaker 3: and just give them more access to me instead of
Speaker 3: just watching someone on a screen. So I think that's
Speaker 3: the most important part of our world now with social media,
Speaker 3: is that yes, you can see us through a screen,
Speaker 3: but I want to experience things with these fans too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that. What has been a moment either
Speaker 1: at over and out or at a show where you
Speaker 1: felt like, oh, like I've inspired somebody based on what
Speaker 1: they've shared with you.
Speaker 3: I think it's just a lot of little moments. I
Speaker 3: have a few amateur kids that I help out, and
Speaker 3: I don't pick the ones I help out for the
Speaker 3: reason of they're fast or you know whatever. I don't
Speaker 3: do it dictated based on speed or skill. I kind
Speaker 3: of just do it dictated on passion and how the
Speaker 3: family is of you know, if they're raising good kids
Speaker 3: and they support their kids in the right way of
Speaker 3: not just we have a lot of Moto parents, so
Speaker 3: just that'll scream at their kids until they do what
Speaker 3: the parent wants them to do. And you know, I
Speaker 3: just found a few family that are just amazing families,
Speaker 3: and their kids have the passion. You know, they may
Speaker 3: not have the highest level of winning everything, but they
Speaker 3: just have such a beautiful passion for the sport and
Speaker 3: their work ethic is right there with it. So I
Speaker 3: just love helping those kind of kids and just seeing
Speaker 3: the influence I have just by me existing is such
Speaker 3: a surreal experience, Like just down to the bare minimum
Speaker 3: of you wear your hat backwards, they'll wear their hat backwards.
Speaker 3: You eat this, they'll eat that. You drink this, they'll
Speaker 3: drink that. So it just it inspired me in such
Speaker 3: a way of just like, well, I like I have
Speaker 3: to watch what I'm doing, and it created like a
Speaker 3: reverse inspiration of me of like I want to be
Speaker 3: the best version of me because they're watching. I love that.
Speaker 1: That's so cool. Well, it's been a joy to watch you.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to watch you at X Games. We're
Speaker 1: going to transition to our next segment here you mentioned
Speaker 1: you know they drink what you drink. This segment is
Speaker 1: called something to Sip On. It is brought to you
Speaker 1: by the sports Bra, which is the women's sports bar
Speaker 1: in Portland, Oregon. So I want to know what do
Speaker 1: you say zipping on? What's your favorite cocktail, mocktail beverage
Speaker 1: after a ride?
Speaker 3: What's your go to? Oh man, if we're doing a
Speaker 3: you know, a long day, stressful day. It's gonna be
Speaker 3: a little cliche because it is a sponsor of the event,
Speaker 3: but it's also a personal sponsor. But we bonded together
Speaker 3: first and foremost because I like the product, which is
Speaker 3: eight O five beer. Yeah, and I was I was
Speaker 3: always going to a track up in the eight O
Speaker 3: five and that's kind of how I first met them
Speaker 3: and fell in love with the beer, and it was
Speaker 3: just only in the zip code of eight o five.
Speaker 3: So it's a Norcol based thing. And now it's expanded
Speaker 3: nationwide and now it's the beer of choice for X Games,
Speaker 3: which is really cool for them. But yeah, nothing tastes
Speaker 3: better after ice cold Ato five after a long day.
Speaker 3: I love the serves.
Speaker 1: It's it's big in the surf world too, and that
Speaker 1: is my favorite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's hard to beat the Servesa. I know,
Speaker 3: you know, the og is nice, but man, just something
Speaker 3: about a little bit.
Speaker 1: Of line in there about it, especially because we're like
Speaker 1: we're probably outside, we're probably like sweaty from either surfing
Speaker 1: or moto or whatever. So there's just something like refreshing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, there's so many fire shot Walker brands
Speaker 3: that expand out and they send me a little bit
Speaker 3: of everything to try, but I just always go back
Speaker 3: to that survey.
Speaker 1: I always go back. I love it all. Right. Next up,
Speaker 1: we have our powered Up segments.
Speaker 3: So these are three things that.
Speaker 1: Get you powered up to be the best you can
Speaker 1: be in motocross, and so they're a little off the cuff,
Speaker 1: so they're with me.
Speaker 3: It's a little fun.
Speaker 1: Okay. So the first one is what is the music
Speaker 1: that you listen to?
Speaker 3: Music? I bounce around a lot. I don't think I
Speaker 3: have like a set favorite. I'll go from led Zeppelndo,
Speaker 3: Juice World to literally you name it, I'll listen to it.
Speaker 3: So I don't really have music of choice. And we
Speaker 3: do so many shows to where we have I kind
Speaker 3: of call it like a light switch of like time
Speaker 3: to ride and like flip that switch. We have so
Speaker 3: many shows per day, usually at events, that I don't
Speaker 3: really need that stuff to get prepared. It's just like
Speaker 3: oh time, yeah, So I don't really need a big,
Speaker 3: big setting of hype for myself. We've just learned to
Speaker 3: just adjust of when I reached out of time year
Speaker 3: up and go yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you have a mantra or a saying or something
Speaker 1: that like is a go to phrase for you of
Speaker 1: either when you're about to drop in or you know,
Speaker 1: oh you just fell and you have to get back up?
Speaker 1: Like what is the go to vicki ism?
Speaker 3: I don't really have one per se, but usually it's
Speaker 3: just I don't really give myself an option of like
Speaker 3: thinking through things, I just like, nope, you gotta do it,
Speaker 3: like there's no option to just go do it. But
Speaker 3: the biggest saying that it's always stuck with me since
Speaker 3: like my early racing days was Rome wasn't built in
Speaker 3: a day, and that one was always one to stick
Speaker 3: with me because there's so many endless days of just
Speaker 3: I don't feel good, but I'm gonna go anyways, I
Speaker 3: feel great, I'm gonna go today, and then the next
Speaker 3: day you don't feel like good stuff to go, And
Speaker 3: just implementing consistency is the biggest imports in my life,
Speaker 3: especially when our schedules are so catty wall office sometimes
Speaker 3: of like oh you're going here tomorrow and then you
Speaker 3: have home for two days, so trying to create a schedule,
Speaker 3: And that's the biggest consistency for me is just putting
Speaker 3: in the work, no matter how much it is, you know.
Speaker 3: So I think that's something that has always stuck with me.
Speaker 3: And a trainer taught me every single day and had
Speaker 3: to tell me and constantly remind me because I wanted
Speaker 3: I was. I wanted to result immediately as every kid does,
Speaker 3: so that one's always stuck with me.
Speaker 1: I imagine that there's a million things on your bike that
Speaker 1: you have to check before you do a run or
Speaker 1: before you do an event or a show. What is
Speaker 1: the one thing that you personally are like, I need
Speaker 1: to get my eyes on this and make sure that
Speaker 1: this element of the bike is tweaked or set to perfection,
Speaker 1: gas fair.
Speaker 3: Enough, GUS is very important, so usually check that after
Speaker 3: that kind of just like my lever positioning and like
Speaker 3: just the field where the bars and controls are, and
Speaker 3: that usually dictates a very high level of comfort for me.
Speaker 3: So as long as that set where I want it,
Speaker 3: that's usually my.
Speaker 1: Go to And do you do that by getting on
Speaker 1: the bike and like physically feeling it before I run?
Speaker 3: Yep, Especially now with my wrists, I'm kind of a
Speaker 3: little more picky because I can't really operate the clutch
Speaker 3: the best anymore. So just having everything right where it
Speaker 3: needs to be so I can do what I have
Speaker 3: to do and the best I can do it. So
Speaker 3: that's probably the biggest thing that we have to just
Speaker 3: make sure on all my bikes because I have so
Speaker 3: many bikes that are at different locations for all shows.
Speaker 3: So we literally measure try and like do everything exactly
Speaker 3: the same as we can. I mechanic's actually really good
Speaker 3: at that, so when he builds them, he's pretty spot on.
Speaker 1: So this may be a dumb question, but you're saying
Speaker 1: you have bikes at every location kind of made me
Speaker 1: think of people who are very into equestrian and perspect writing.
Speaker 1: Do you ever name your bicycles?
Speaker 3: I used to back, Okay, I don't anymore. I think
Speaker 3: this is gonna I'm spoiled now because I have so many,
Speaker 3: So I think once I got how many bikes, I
Speaker 3: stop naming them. Yeah, well I was poor. I just
Speaker 3: had one and that was my freaking life partner.
Speaker 1: That's what you call it, your life partner.
Speaker 3: I don't remember what I used to call them, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I used to name them back. Yeah, I don't blame you.
Speaker 1: I feel like even like I have surfboards, and I
Speaker 1: feel like even with that I started, they like have
Speaker 1: a personality of their own for sure. Like every board
Speaker 1: has a little bit.
Speaker 3: We buy all we get all the same parts, both
Speaker 3: of them on all the same win. They're all just
Speaker 3: a hair difference, just a little bit. We have a
Speaker 3: little bit of my Yeah, I always have my favorites,
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 1: Nice, I love that and the very last question. So
Speaker 1: obviously this is a powerful podcast. We're all about highlighting
Speaker 1: the power of women and especially women in Olympic extreme
Speaker 1: and action sports. So, Vicky, what does powerful mean to you?
Speaker 3: Powerful for me has kind of always been just mentality.
Speaker 3: I know that's a lot of what we talked about,
Speaker 3: but it is the most important part. You can have
Speaker 3: all the muscles in the world, but if you're scared
Speaker 3: to use on what's the point. So for me, it's
Speaker 3: just creating that mental streak that comes with it. I mean,
Speaker 3: like I said, whether you're in a sport or you're
Speaker 3: just handling life, that's the mentality part of how you
Speaker 3: view things is the most important thing you can you
Speaker 3: can do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that and it's a mentality that is
Speaker 1: so sick to see how you've developed and.
Speaker 3: Then in action on the course. Cannot wait to watch it.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Apprecire. I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. Thank you so much for joining
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