WEBVTT - S3/E3: Vicki Golden (Freestyle Motocross) 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.600 Hello friends, and welcome to the Powerful Podcast. I'm your 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:04.720 host AJ McCord. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:07.920 In this podcast, we introduced you to powerful women who 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:10.760 were changing the game in and outside of their field 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:14.280 of play. These are women's stories, women who happen to 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.000 be doing things that many of us can only dream of, 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.439 but the lessons and inspiration they share is universal. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:23.960 Hello friends, welcome back to the Powerful Podcast. I'm your 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:27.280 host AJ McCord, and I could not be more excited 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:31.040 to introduce you to a woman who is a trailblazer. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:34.360 She is a badass and yet she's doing it all 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.839 just by being herself. And she has made an impact 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:41.559 in moto sports for women and girls to look up to. 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:46.440 She represented as the only female in Motoac's Best Whip 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:50.440 at the X Game's thirtieth anniversary event in Salt Lake 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.280 City earlier this summer. Vicki Golden is as much of 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:55.880 a powerhouse off her bike as she is on it. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.360 And I cannot wait for you to get to know 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.640 this woman under the hell and the gear, who's always 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:05.200 out there with the boys, pushing the envelope at every 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.840 single rev of the engine. This is a powerful podcast. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.880 I am so excited because there is hardly a first 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.080 in moto that she has not done. She has three 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.160 X Games gold medalist. She was an eSPI nominated athlete 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:24.800 for the Best Female Action Sports Athlete. She was Let's 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:26.639 see where else do we go from here? My gosh. 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.240 She won a bronze medal and Moto X whip. She 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.200 was the first female member of SoCal Female motocross team 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.399 medal Militia. She was the first one to do a 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:37.720 backflip on the moon Booter ramp, which I cannot wait 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.800 to hear more about a nitro circus. Vicki Golden, thank 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:42.839 you so much for joining the Powerful podcast. 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:44.360 Absolutely, thank you for having me. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.840 I'm so thrilled because I feel like I've been watching 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.200 your highlight reels in sort of preparation for this interview, 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:52.640 and every single time you take off on a ramp, 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.400 I lose my breath. I'm like, oh, my gosh. But 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:59.800 you're so confident and so skilled and so dare I say, 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.560 as you go off of these ramps and perform these 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:04.960 chick there's just a flow to it that is so 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.639 powerfully beautiful to watch. So the first question I want 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:11.320 to ask you is, what is a moment this week 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.080 that made you feel powerful. 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.639 Man, it's been tough. Just this whole X Games invite 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.799 was very last minute. I was coming here anyways to 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.040 be the FMX analysis and he'll commentate and just talk 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.840 about how gnarly all my friends are. So this invite 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.920 came in very last minute, and we were very underprepared. 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.200 We didn't have a bike ready. I just shipped my 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.920 last bike to a show that's coming that I have 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:34.880 to do after X Games, so we didn't even have 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:36.840 a bike ready. So it was kind of just a 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.120 last minute hustle. So I really didn't have time to 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.800 get ready. And we have a new ramp called the 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.720 Next Gin, which is not what I typically ride, and 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.600 it's not what most athletes have access to, especially where 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.440 I live. So it was just like, Okay, we're coming here, 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.160 We're going to try this new ramp that I've never 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.919 jumped before, and yeah, it was just just kind of 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:57.320 a wild thing. So it was just kind of a 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.640 good question goal to tick off and just and just 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:02.240 see what I can do off of it when I've 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.400 never jumped it before and it's typically not you know, 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.200 a lot of the guys are like, this is not 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.519 like how you're supposed to do this, but you're doing 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.240 it anyway. So it's just cool to like get that. 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.720 I guess, you know, the props from all the other 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.080 guys of you know, what I'm doing just to exist 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.560 and live and breathe and operate this way, and they're 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:24.880 just you know, they're very impressed, which is is very 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.519 humbling because what they do is unbelievable. 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.880 Yes, And I feel like that refrain is something that 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.519 I hope you've been told your entire life, Like I 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:35.720 hope you have been told your entire life that what 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:40.160 you're doing is incredibly impressive, because it is. You started 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.240 writing at about five years old, right, So how did 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.320 you get into motocross supercross? 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.960 How did you get into writing? Man? Just my dad 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.720 he had a two wheeled passion from as far back 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.120 as I can remember. He just he loved dirt bikes. 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.440 He loved random and that was that was the same 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.840 passion he kind of just passed on to me, And 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:04.560 even through ups and downs in the sport, he still 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.880 freaking love dirt bikes. So I think it's just I 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:09.880 just have a love and passion for it. So that's 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.720 what's carried me so far, is that I'll be out 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:14.480 there first and I'll be the last one out there. 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:16.560 Is just because I love riding like I just can't 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.160 stop well. And that reminds me the whole reason we're 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.120 linking up here. We are at the X Games in 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:25.239 Salt Lake City. You're the only woman in the field 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.839 here in Moto X You're going to compete in best Whip. 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.239 So can you break down for us what is best whip? 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:32.800 Yeah? 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.359 Absolutely, best whip is a category where you're trying to 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:39.760 get your bike upside down, backwards, you know, any which 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:43.960 way of opposite you know, upright rotation or direction I 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.360 should say, And it's just you know, trying to bring 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.120 it backwards and bring it back towards the landing or 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.520 bring it upside down and up you know, inverted and 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.120 then hit the landing. So that's basically what a whip is. 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.919 It's something kind of like a style thing in motocross 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.400 racing that is like a show off typing in racing, 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.600 to where it's become this own category to where who 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.200 can basically show off the biggest. 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.960 I guess so sick and I've been able to watch 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.840 a little bit of practice, and so I'm excited to 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:13.480 talk a little bit more about X games in your 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.200 career currently, but I want to go back to what 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.039 you were telling me about your dad, because I know 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.120 he's a massive part of your story, and you mentioned 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.240 some of the ups and downs, but his consistency and 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.440 two things throughout it, which is one his love of 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.159 dirt bikes and his love of riding, and to his 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.520 support of you, his daughter competing in all of these 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.560 very much male dominated field. I think it was you 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.440 were in your teens before you competed in a women's division, 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.640 because I don't know how few women there were. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:39.360 Doing what you did. 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:41.520 Tell me a little bit more about your dad. 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:45.000 Yeah, he was unbelievable. He just had a die hard 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.760 passion for two wheels and he wasn't necessarily, you know, 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.520 the best level you know rider. I think he grew 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.279 up racing and I think when I was around racing 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.760 with him, he was in the VET novice class, which 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:00.000 that's two below or two or three below professional levels. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.040 So he just you know, it wasn't about how fast 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.000 you can go. It was just he wanted to have 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:06.800 fun and he enjoyed it and it was something we 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.480 could do as a family. So that was just something 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.960 he passed on to me was that just die hard 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.120 passion of just two wheels. So even after he got hurt, 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.599 he ended up getting paralyzed when I was about twelve 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.159 or thirteen, and even after, he still loved the sport. 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.240 So you know, how do you look at that and 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.880 say something you could absolutely understand hating? He still freaking 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.680 loved the sport, so you know, we still shared that, 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.400 you know, till he passed aways. Anytime he wanted to talk, 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:34.039 he was about dirt bikes. He loved it. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.080 What was it like to grow up with him so 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:39.839 die hard in your corner? 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.320 It was just natural really, I mean every parent you 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.440 know wants to be, you know, your biggest supporter, and 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.760 they sometimes they want it more than you do. So 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.599 it was it was cool like he always did whatever 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:52.479 he could. Him and my mom always did with what 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.760 they could. They were never, you know, the best off financially, 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.159 so they worked really hard to give me what I 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.840 needed to go and ride and compete and just you know, 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.680 go ride and have fun. So just to see how 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:05.279 hard they work just to give me that, you know, 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.520 it just you know, once again, it just fell on 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:09.279 to me of like I can't waste you know, their 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.320 harder and money at this So it just became of, 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.880 you know, we were taking it seriously but having fun 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:16.960 along the way, and there was no pressure they put 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.200 on me. It was just I saw how hard they 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.080 were working, and I didn't want to waste their money 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.080 and you know, not do what the trainer would tell 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.280 me to do, or you know, not ride as much 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.520 as I should for the entry fee of going to 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:29.960 ride in a practice track. So I just didn't want 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.120 to waste their money, so I just put in the work. 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.640 It sounds like the thread is very much you were 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:39.120 raised on appreciation for what you have and like really 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.800 committing to going after your goals and absolutely really making 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.120 sure that you don't half ass anything. And I think 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.280 what we know to be true in a lot of 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.320 extreme sports is that actually half assing is probably the 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:52.160 worst thing you can do. 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.920 Absolutely, it's honestly the most dangerous thing is when you 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.520 start half assing things. Is when you're half in and 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:01.120 your mind's maybe half out. So that's where things get dangerous. 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.160 And that's honestly, usually when a lot of us get 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.560 hurt is when we're not one hundred percent focused or 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.880 we're half focused and have maybe having almost too much 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.000 fun and not paying attention to what we're doing is 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.760 usually what happens and we hit the ground. So try 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:15.680 and stay one hundred percent focused. And I mean it 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.400 still happens. There's there's still times you're gonna hit the ground, 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:19.640 but try to minimize this. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.360 I was a whitewater rafting guide in college and we 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:26.000 had a saying that was hesitation is devastation because if 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.240 you hesitate, you know, there's like a million paths that 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.200 you can choose on a river and based on the 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.360 water level or like what rocks of me that like, 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.160 based on a million different factors, you can take a 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.800 different route and the worst thing you can do is hesitate, 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.600 because it's like then it leads to devastation. You end 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:42.960 up hitting the side, you end up flipping into its terror. 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:44.720 I can attest my worst days on the river was 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:45.440 when I hesitate. 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.840 Always is when you're always paying attention. Yeah, that's exactly 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.559 how it goes. And even yeah, I don't know. Every 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.280 time I hop on a bike, I know if I 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.520 can just trust what I have inside of the muscle 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.160 memory I have on a bike, that's usually what gets 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.800 me through. If I start thinking overthinking. That's when bad 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:01.880 stuff usually happens. 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:05.040 So you turned pro in your teams. But this mindset 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.520 is so critical to your success, I can imagine. Yeah, 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.520 So how did you develop that mindset? Because I feel 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:16.720 like in every sport, like the mentality side of the 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:18.000 game is at least half of it. 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.160 Oftentimes it's more depending on the sport. 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.920 So for you, you developed this incredible ability on a bike, 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.360 But how did you learn the mental side of what 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:27.360 it took to be the best? 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.439 It definitely took a lot of years. I mean I 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.960 don't think I got I mean I don't think there's 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.559 ever a finish line to how mentally strong it can be. 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.720 So that's usually what keeps you pushing for more. But 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.240 just throughout my years of racing and things like that, 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:44.640 I went and raced Men's Professional Supercross, and my biggest 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.960 weakness was pulling the trigger on certain obstacles and it 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.200 was just you know, too little, too late. And if 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.480 I would have just pulled this trigger sooner, I would 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.959 have gotten comfortable quicker, and you know a lot of 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.240 times would have gotten better. And I just waited way 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.960 too long. And part of it was that I wasn't 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.040 one hundred percent comfortable with what I was on. But 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.520 once I transitioned into free ride and freestyle and got 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:09.360 on the four fifty, which is a bigger motorcycle than 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.440 I was racing with and just having almost endless power, 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.200 it would just kind of opened up a whole new 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.160 world for me to where I wasn't worried about, oh, 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.199 I don't know if my bike can make that because 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.120 I didn't have the power, and just having that mindset 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.560 of like, okay, you have you have no excuse now, 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.360 like you have all the power in the world, your 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.480 bike is fully set up to what you want. Now 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:31.000 it's time to work on your weaknesses, which was mentally 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.480 for me and just I kind of just struggled a 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.840 little bit to pull the trigger, And honestly what made 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:39.360 it better was knowing how long it takes me compared 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.599 to the guys to warm up and get comfortable back in. 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:44.960 I think when I first started going to X Games, 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:48.520 we were only allotted about fifteen minute practice. Wow, So 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.160 I didn't want to waste five of it trying to figure, 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.680 you know, get my timing to even jump the jump right. 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.920 So that was that was kind of my first main goal, 0:10:58.000 --> 0:10:59.959 is I think it was. I think it was text 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.600 When I realized that we were only getting about fifteen minutes. 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.360 I didn't even test around the ramp. I just went 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.920 and jumped it before anybody, any of the guys, And 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.120 that way I saved myself five minutes so I could 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.680 get comfortable. Because once they jump it, they're instantly comfortable. 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.440 It just took me a little bit longer. So I 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.160 had to find a way to give myself back the 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.679 advantage and just be on that level playing field with them. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:24.200 And that just initialized realizing that if I just trust 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.600 my gut, we don't have to go through this like, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.240 oh I don't know if I got it, I don't know, 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.679 and just go this overthinking campster wheel that ends up happening. 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.480 So even today, you know, we had this new ramp. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.040 I've never jumped it before, and before I could get 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.040 myself to overthink it, I just went and did it. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.120 So it's worked so far, so I'm gonna keep doing it. 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.720 Yeah. Well, and it's incredible because I think it's so 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:49.360 fascinating to talk with women who had to compete against 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.520 men growing up because there just weren't many women in 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.440 right sport, and so you do have to find a way, 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.520 like you said, to get back that advantage. How do 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.920 I make sure that I can like compete among a 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:03.640 class of people that in a lot of sports you 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:05.640 don't have to write there's fens divisions in a lot 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:09.839 of other sports. What is the thing growing up competing 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.360 against the boys against the men? How did that shape 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.640 you as a person and as an athlete? 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.240 I think it just shaped me the way of just 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.840 always being kind of the underdog. I was never you know, 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.400 we didn't really have a lot of women's categories for anything, 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.240 so I've never really had a feeling of being the 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.199 big fish in a little pond. I had it a 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.840 little bit when X Games had women's mote across it 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:37.000 and I was winning that. Once that yeah, once I 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.520 won those, and then that kind of that discipline went away. 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:42.560 You know, I still wanted to go and compete X Games, 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.320 and there was only one category for me to go, 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.520 so I went into Best Whip and thankfully they were 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.439 gracious enough to give me the chance and the opportunity 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.440 to get that invite. And then it just turned into 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:57.440 just kind of just you don't really have the option 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:01.280 of like the way I look at is the obstacle 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.960 doesn't care whether you're man or a minute. You have 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:05.760 to jump at regardless. The same thing when I go 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.240 to Red Bull imagination, you can be the best in 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.720 the world because you have to be to do the 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.440 obstacles just to be there. So that's kind of where 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.160 I got this, you know, more of a stronger mentality 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:22.800 of just truly understanding, like these guys technically are better, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.600 but my mindset just it probably sounds delusional, but like 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.480 the way I look at them, I'm like, I'm like, 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.719 I'm here to beat them. Whether I do it or 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.240 not is a different story. But I'd rather aim for 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.839 first and get fifth than aim for fifth and get eight. 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:39.040 So I'd just rather, you know, look at them and say, 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:42.120 I'm no different, Let's do this and see where we go, 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.240 because I'd rather not be like, well it'd be nice 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:46.760 to get like six. You know, that's that's not really 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.240 a good way to think. So yeah, just being around 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.480 all these guys and they're so helpful too, Like we're 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.600 a big family, so you know, they're all we're all 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.040 here for each other, especially in our discipline. There's there's 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.560 only one place to crash, and if we crash on 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.679 what we do, it's never good, so none of us 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.200 we don't want to see our friends get hurt. So 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.880 we're just such a big family that we all support 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.959 each other. You know, it's no different you know, man 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.120 or a woman. It's just we're here to ride our 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.200 bikes and have fun and try and do it safely. 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.480 Is there an element I feel like right now the 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.240 conversation in women's sports in general is about sort of 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.600 owning the space that you're in and like trying to, 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.400 I guess, change the narrative around imposter syndrome in particular, 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.040 where it's like, you know, hey, we don't we shouldn't 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.400 have this imposter syndrome, and how do we battle that 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:32.360 and how do we ensure that the next generation just 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:36.640 doesn't even like wonder if they belong? I feel like 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:41.560 talking with you, that's something that you have developed throughout 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.800 your career. Like I don't hear any imposter syndrome. I 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.080 don't hear any like, oh, I wonder if I don't 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.960 belong because I'm the only woman. It's like, no, I'm 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:51.760 gonna shoot for first and if I get fifth, cool, 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.120 but like I'm giving it my best and I belong here. 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:58.320 How did you develop that. I mean, I think it 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.000 had to do with the guys I was riding with around. 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.080 They kind of pulled my girl card a long time 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:06.560 ago to where it was like, Hey, if we're jumping this, 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.480 you gotta jump this, and say and vice versa. There'd 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:11.840 be moments where I would jump at first and then like, shoot, 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.360 now we gotta jump it. So it was just I mean, 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.600 just being around, Like I'm just very lucky that the 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:19.680 friends that I have and the friends and family I 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.040 have just so happened to be the best in the 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.800 world at what they do too, So just being around 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.320 them and having their guidance too. But when it comes 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.560 down to it, like I mentioned of an invite to 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:34.760 hear or an invite to Red Bull Imagination, it's, you know, 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.360 there's only it doesn't matter man or woman, like you 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.440 have to know you belong. But that's where I also, 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.640 you know, kind of just trust in that too. I 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:46.760 do have moments from my shoot. I don't know like 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.240 if if this, you know, slot should have went to 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:54.120 me and I'm like struggling, But usually it comes with 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.200 something like I might have, you know, be aggravated an 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.600 injury or something. Then it kind of just ticks off 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.160 a little to my confidence. But that's when you know, 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.680 my friends my family are like, you know, you're invited 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.080 here for a reason. It's not like you just are 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.480 here just because you're a girl like that. That ain't 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.440 gonna work here, you know, like there, you have to 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.960 be able to do it to be able to even 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.760 be invited here. So they're like if if if I 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.600 don't believe myself, they believe me. And that's they usually 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:23.200 are the ones that pick me up. But I have 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.320 rare moments like that. But I've been around this sport 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.920 long enough to know that it all comes around. So 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.840 I think so negatively when you can just clip all 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.320 that and just move on and just figure it out 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:36.360 with a smile on your fingers. 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:37.280 Yeah, don't worm up. 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:37.960 Just take the jump. 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.040 Yep, they just take the ram. We don't need to 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:41.480 go through the rigor of and role of like the 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.720 mental gymnastics that do I belong here? Do I know exactly? 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:46.480 And am I invited because I'm a woman? Or am 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.680 I invited because I'm one of the best And the 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:50.800 answers your invited because you're one of the best, exactly. 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.920 So I just if I ever have those moments, which, 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:55.840 like I said, they're rare, but they pop through every 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.480 very while, and that's just why I'm like, well, you know, 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.400 I'm here for a reason, so let's let's just do it. Yeah, 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:02.880 let's save some time. 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:04.800 Yeah, I'm all about saving time. 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:09.160 Yeah. Yeah, logic comes into play somehow, and I'm just like, well, 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:10.320 I'm gonna waste time. 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.960 Yeah, and I'm gonna end up in the same spot, 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:14.920 which is with a with a spot. 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:16.680 At this event to do my best exactly. 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.920 Yeah, Okay, I want to talk about the injuries because 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.320 I think that is one of the things that is 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:26.520 universal across every single sport is how do you manage it? However, 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.680 it is rare to be in a sport where your 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:33.239 equipment outweighs you by a decent amount. How much does 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:37.600 your bikeway? I believe it's around to fifty Okay, yeah, 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.920 so that's like outweighs you by a decent junk of change. There, 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.000 How do you I mean? And I guess we could 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:45.920 run through the list of injuries, but I know you're 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.920 you're missing are you're missing several ligaments in one. 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.880 Of the knees? Yeah, I'm an m a shel orminuistcation 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.280 in my left meee, we just we just run that 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:58.000 cool cool okay that it comes and goes kind of 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:01.520 gets reaggravated, but it's it's I mean, thankfully we have 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:03.840 suspension on a bike, so it kind of makes up for, 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.240 you know, the need not being the greatest. But my 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.320 main injuries was almost lost my leg in two thousand 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:15.440 and eighteen. Yeah, and just exploded my ankle, shattered my heel, 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:19.040 every bone and foot was broken in some form, and 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.879 I developed compartment syndrome. Had a lot of complications. So 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.399