Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I
Speaker 1: am Ryan Warmley, joining this Friday Morning. This Glorious Victorious
Speaker 1: Friday Morning by Derek Brihydam Pat fitzimorious Fellas. How are
Speaker 1: you doing after witnessing just an excellent quarterback battle on
Speaker 1: Thursday Night football, which has been more common than usual
Speaker 1: this season, Debra.
Speaker 2: I'm doing great. I mean Jamar Chase winning people weeks,
Speaker 2: proving that you know, he's outside of the contract stuff.
Speaker 2: Should have been a top top two wide receiver one
Speaker 2: overall for some. So it was. It was a glorious game, dude,
Speaker 2: that that moment. And I know, you know, all props
Speaker 2: like I'm all for the trash talk like don't flag
Speaker 2: the guys, let him go out there and play, let
Speaker 2: him have fun. And I was all for the smoke
Speaker 2: that Jamar Chase gave back to Lamar Jackson after kind
Speaker 2: of standing there throwing the ball into the stands and
Speaker 2: Chase standing on like the one yard line for five seconds.
Speaker 2: I was loving every second of it. And I know
Speaker 2: a not a lot of people will. I loved every
Speaker 2: moment of it, so.
Speaker 1: I thought it was weird. As a response to Lamar
Speaker 1: because I didn't think Lamar did anything that unusual, Like
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just used to watching Lamar he does that
Speaker 1: a lot. But having said that, even if Lamar had
Speaker 1: done nothing, which I kind of think he did, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have minded Jamar Chase doing that. You just on
Speaker 1: an all time heater, like do whatever you want, like
Speaker 1: if you're not hurting other players, like I encourage taunting,
Speaker 1: like I even when it goes against the Ravens, like
Speaker 1: I'm super you Like, I know, b that's sports.
Speaker 2: Dude, Like I used to smack talk all the time
Speaker 2: when I was growing up playing sports.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Fits, What was your big takeaway from the game?
Speaker 1: I mean just obviously the second time we've seen these
Speaker 1: teams go against each other, two of the best games
Speaker 1: of the NFL season so far, and just fantasy points galore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was spectacular, and you know it.
Speaker 4: The one thing I have never loved about the Thursday
Speaker 4: games is that if you get a game like that
Speaker 4: from Jamar Chase and you're going against Jamar Chase, you
Speaker 4: know your toast before you even get to some like
Speaker 4: you're you're doomed and the Sunday doesn't even matter. That
Speaker 4: I don't love but can we not get any more
Speaker 4: five target jamar Chase games? Like can we make sure
Speaker 4: he always gets more targets or as many targets as
Speaker 4: t Higgins when Higgins is playing The guy's just so
Speaker 4: good and so is Joe Burrow. And that was a
Speaker 4: really fun game. And I regret betting the under, which
Speaker 4: actually looked pretty good for a while. And then why
Speaker 4: did that go up in flames?
Speaker 2: Fast, Fitz, I want to ask you real fast, how
Speaker 2: as much as you talked about in this entire offseason,
Speaker 2: how much did you love seeing the Chase Brown eleven
Speaker 2: target performance because that was freaking beautiful too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's And I mean if you want your
Speaker 4: running back to be impactful against the Ravens, you have
Speaker 4: to do that, use them as sort of, you know,
Speaker 4: extensions of the running game, because if you hand it
Speaker 4: to Chase Brown and ask him to go between the
Speaker 4: tackles against the Ravens, Yeah, he actually did better in
Speaker 4: that capacity than I thought he might do. But like
Speaker 4: it's hard to do business against the Ravens that way.
Speaker 4: So yes, by all means, like I love seeing sets
Speaker 4: or Attarney.
Speaker 2: Somebody might have talked about Chase Brown's ability to handle
Speaker 2: a high heavy workload all off scene. I don't know
Speaker 2: if they're on the show, but I think that was
Speaker 2: mentioned on this broadcast, right.
Speaker 4: Yes, the worm was challenging me the other day off
Speaker 4: the top of my head, could I.
Speaker 1: Remember the stat.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I I will say too, like that has always been
Speaker 1: like for this season, the way to attack the Ravens defense,
Speaker 1: like running backs through the air. It will become even
Speaker 1: more that way for any amount of time Kyle Hamilton
Speaker 1: is out. Kyle Hamilton might be the best safety in
Speaker 1: football at breaking up screens, and they were still that
Speaker 1: bad all season against running backs catching the ball. So
Speaker 1: if he's out, it's going to get even more you know,
Speaker 1: feasting on that for opposing running backs against Baltimore. The
Speaker 1: other thing I did, I just want to say quickly
Speaker 1: is like I agree I guesse Everyoney's gonna say, oh,
Speaker 1: he's a raven sommer. He definitely thought it shouldn't have
Speaker 1: been a call. No, it was a missed call at
Speaker 1: the end of the game, like absolutely got away with one,
Speaker 1: no doubt. Having said that, there were also miscalls that
Speaker 1: hurt the Ravens earlier in the game, this one just
Speaker 1: happened to be the last play of the game, so
Speaker 1: it looks a lot more you know, bad, I guess,
Speaker 1: but no, it was. It was absolutely a miscall. I
Speaker 1: also am like, you know what, you kind of deserve
Speaker 1: what you get, not just throwing the ball at Jumar
Speaker 1: Chase the way he'd been playing, Like if you run
Speaker 1: up and play to anybody else, you kind of ask
Speaker 1: kind of get what you ask for there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a good point. Fits like I have,
Speaker 1: you know, Chase and Lamar together in our work fourteen
Speaker 1: team league, and I'm going up against our boss Blaine,
Speaker 1: and yeah, his his week's over already before it even
Speaker 1: begins because I already have ninety points against him.
Speaker 2: I saw my slack app light up late last night
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, dear, does somebody have shitt
Speaker 2: like Burrow and Chase? And then I saw your message
Speaker 2: about I wonder who has Lamar and Chase in our league?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh crap, yeah no, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. Super fun game obviously, like one of the
Speaker 1: best games of the year. Great Thursday night game. As
Speaker 1: I speed last night, build the whole plane out of
Speaker 1: Ravens Bengals games because they always always deliver, and then
Speaker 1: again not really much fantasy takeaway because the stars were stars.
Speaker 1: It was basically what even Derek Henry had a down
Speaker 1: game still like sixty yards in a touchdown, like that's
Speaker 1: his floor. So super fun time. Obviously, I really enjoyed it.
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Speaker 1: start with the quarterbacks as usual. Sam Darnold obviously had
Speaker 1: a much better season than a lot of people had
Speaker 1: expected with Minnesota. He's at Jacksonville this week, QUB twelve
Speaker 1: on the season on DraftKings, scoring seventeen point nine fantasy
Speaker 1: points per game. He was QB four in Week two,
Speaker 1: but has not been better than QB nine since, so
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit recently. He's facing this Jags pass defense.
Speaker 1: What do you expect?
Speaker 5: I think Sam's gonna play well. I worry that because
Speaker 5: they have so many big divisional games coming up, it
Speaker 5: could be a letdown game. But with Mac Jones potentially
Speaker 5: slated to play, you know what that means shorter for Jacksonville,
Speaker 5: more possessions for Sam Donald, probably better field position for
Speaker 5: Sam Donald. I tend to look that a lot, and
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if you guys the fantasy experts do,
Speaker 5: but when you face a week quarterback, I think your
Speaker 5: skill people tend to get better field position. That means
Speaker 5: usually a little more aggressive offensive play calling. I think
Speaker 5: this game will be decided by the Vikings defense against
Speaker 5: Mac Jones, but I think Donald will play well and
Speaker 5: have time to throw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. You often hear people say, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is going to be a blowout, so they're not
Speaker 1: going to have to, you know, throw the ball that
Speaker 1: much late. But if it's a blowout, they're scoring points
Speaker 1: early to get to that point. So there will be scoring,
Speaker 1: you would think, and like you said, more opportunities shorter
Speaker 1: fields as well. So I like that thought process. The
Speaker 1: other quarterback that we have here for this week's slate,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, going up against the Jets. You know, not
Speaker 1: an easy matchup at least in terms of the fantasy scoring.
Speaker 1: Certainly on paper, Kyler's QB fourteen a little over seventeen
Speaker 1: points per game this season, but it's been a lot
Speaker 1: of like Boom er bus potentially. He was QB one
Speaker 1: in Week two, he was cute thirty in Week nine,
Speaker 1: so he's kind of hit both ends of the spectrum
Speaker 1: at various points this season. This pass defense for the
Speaker 1: Jets allowing six point four yards per attempt to tie
Speaker 1: forth best in the NFL. Quarterbacks are averagely twenty four
Speaker 1: yards rushing on four point eight yards per carry against
Speaker 1: the Jets as well. Obviously something might come into play
Speaker 1: for Kyler. What do you expect out of the Cardinals
Speaker 1: in this one?
Speaker 5: This is kind of a stay away game for me.
Speaker 5: Jets played on Thursday, so as you know, they have
Speaker 5: extra time. I like their defensive personnel. Arizona's on a
Speaker 5: winning streak. You talk about a team that I don't
Speaker 5: trust their maturity all the many of their best players
Speaker 5: are kids, and Kyler's not. But he's always field. There's
Speaker 5: some leadership maturity issues with him. I don't trust this
Speaker 5: team to go on long winning streaks. They've been playing well,
Speaker 5: but they've also been a team like against Miami, that
Speaker 5: falls behind and falls asleep. It is a stay away game,
Speaker 5: stay away from Kyler for me.
Speaker 1: Let's look at some running backs here. Jonathan Taylor going
Speaker 1: off against the Buffalo Bills. He was RB eight so
Speaker 1: far in the season on DraftKings fifteen points per game.
Speaker 1: That's a bit lower. Since returning from injury, He's had
Speaker 1: some big games as well, kind of boom or bust. Also,
Speaker 1: he was RB four and week three, RB thirty seven
Speaker 1: a Week nine. But he's going up against this Bill's
Speaker 1: run defense allowing four point eight yards for Gary.
Speaker 5: I love Taylor this week. I think the Colts upset
Speaker 5: the Bills. I think Miami's off a highly emotional win
Speaker 5: against Miami. I think they come in flat. They've got
Speaker 5: that division wrapped up, right Buffalo. You could see them
Speaker 5: flying to the Midwest, not a divisional game, off a
Speaker 5: big rival let down emotionally, and you know, the Colts
Speaker 5: still believe with Flacco they can win this division, right,
Speaker 5: They still feel they got a shot here. This feels
Speaker 5: like a much bigger game against a high profile team
Speaker 5: in Buffalo. I like Taylor. I like the Colts in
Speaker 5: my upset of the week.
Speaker 1: That's a great I don't know that I've heard a
Speaker 1: lot of people pick this as a possible upset. It's
Speaker 1: a pretty consensus. You know, everybody's siding with the Bills
Speaker 1: just giving you know what we've seen from them, and
Speaker 1: you know the poor Flacco performance last week, but I
Speaker 1: love that call. I think that's great. The other running
Speaker 1: back we have here, JK Dobbins, going up against the
Speaker 1: Titans RB twelve this season. JK Dobbins, he was going
Speaker 1: in like round fifteen in fantasy drafts, so has been
Speaker 1: a real value for everybody who invested in him. Over
Speaker 1: thirteen and a half fantasy points per game so far
Speaker 1: this season. You know, he's finished as high as R
Speaker 1: before a couple of different times. He's been in the
Speaker 1: thirties a couple of times as well, but that's kind
Speaker 1: of the nature of the position at running back. Facing
Speaker 1: this Titans run defense allowing four point four yards per
Speaker 1: carry that's tenth best in the NFL. Really hot start
Speaker 1: for JK Dobbins this year, then a bit of a
Speaker 1: down period, had a good game last week. What do
Speaker 1: you think we see out of him this week?
Speaker 5: It's a stay away for me. The Chargers are now
Speaker 5: healthy at wide receiver for the first time this year.
Speaker 5: They had a really nice performance last week against Cleveland,
Speaker 5: and I think, you know, I'm really struggling with this game.
Speaker 5: I think they win. I also think they love the
Speaker 5: fact that they're healthy on the perimeter, and I think
Speaker 5: they want to use that to their advantage. And I
Speaker 5: also believe they'll have some success running the ball. But
Speaker 5: Tennessee is a weird team. Take out the Lions game.
Speaker 5: They can be formidable in the trenches at times. They're
Speaker 5: a team that I don't think is poorly coached. I
Speaker 5: think they're mostly poorly quarterbacked. So this is a stay
Speaker 5: away game for me. I think the Chargers are healthy,
Speaker 5: and I think they're going to spread the ball around
Speaker 5: to a lot of different sources this week. If you
Speaker 5: watch that Cleveland game, boy, they everybody got touches Hurst, Disley,
Speaker 5: Quinton Johnston, McConkey, the kid out of Georgia. Yeah, they
Speaker 5: really spread the ball around Palmer. So I feel like
Speaker 5: I feel like they want to put this on tape
Speaker 5: for the league to see. We've got a lot of elements.
Speaker 5: We're going to use all of them. They're gonna move
Speaker 5: Justin Herbert in some running situations. So it's a stay
Speaker 5: away game for their run game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to ask you kind of what we've
Speaker 1: seen from the Chargers passing him recently, because there was
Speaker 1: a lot of concern from fantasy managers, especially that Greg
Speaker 1: Roman offense. Jim Harbaugh. They don't have the best pass catchers,
Speaker 1: so a lot of people expected this to be a
Speaker 1: very run heavy offense, and it kind of was early
Speaker 1: in the year. Not only the pass catchers getting healthy,
Speaker 1: Herbert wasn't fully healthy right in August. He missed a
Speaker 1: lot of the preseason. But they're throwing arend Herbert looks
Speaker 1: really good while doing it. Do you think there's any
Speaker 1: one piece that has kind of led to them being
Speaker 1: willing to open up the passing playbook more? Is it
Speaker 1: really just kind of everybody getting healthy.
Speaker 5: I think it's Herbert's health, and I think it's Quinton Johnston,
Speaker 5: who was viewed as a bust last year, and I
Speaker 5: think Harbaugh looked at that and thought, I'm gonna save
Speaker 5: this kid, and they really have. When he's been healthy
Speaker 5: this year, he's had a couple of big games. I
Speaker 5: also think strangely they become the Chiefs. We love their coach,
Speaker 5: we love their quarterback. They're not quite consistent on the perimeter,
Speaker 5: excellent pass rush, well coached defensively, some really nice young
Speaker 5: defensive players with kind of a veteran a Chris Jones
Speaker 5: Khalil mack Bosa on the defensive line. I think they
Speaker 5: match up with Kansas City. I think they are Kansas
Speaker 5: City coach quarterback pass rush, little light on the weapons,
Speaker 5: trying to figure out their pass game. I like the Chargers,
Speaker 5: and I think when you're trying to figure out who
Speaker 5: you are, you experiment, you mix the ball around, and
Speaker 5: I don't think any one player is going to get
Speaker 5: I don't think JK. Dobbins is getting twenty four carries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really impressed with their defense. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: touched on that. I think Jesse Minter is really impressed,
Speaker 1: really really good. Yeah, he's very good. A couple of
Speaker 1: wide receivers here will wrap up with Terry McLaurin against
Speaker 1: the Steelers. This is an offense that has been extremely
Speaker 1: successful with the Commanders and Jayden Daniels going up against
Speaker 1: one of the best defenses in football. McLaurin is wide
Speaker 1: receiver thirteen on the season in scoring on DraftKings, but
Speaker 1: again facing the Steelers defense, who do you think kind
Speaker 1: of comes out on top this great Commander's offense or
Speaker 1: the Steelers defense.
Speaker 5: Of the Steelers defense best defense Washington's face. They bring
Speaker 5: in Preston Smith, so now they have two very strong
Speaker 5: pass rushers. I think this is a little bit of
Speaker 5: an awakening for Washington facing a veteran, physical, well coached team.
Speaker 5: Mike Tomlin's the best underdog coach in this league. And
Speaker 5: there's no question they they feel ignored. They feel, you know,
Speaker 5: the Russell Wilson things an eye roll. I think Pittsburgh's
Speaker 5: going to play the game of the year, and I
Speaker 5: think this is going to be a handful. I think
Speaker 5: the defensive line for the Steelers controls the entire football game.
Speaker 1: Last receiver here ceed Lamb, obviously some degree of question
Speaker 1: mark about hisself, no question about Dak Prescott's self. He's
Speaker 1: not going to play in this one. It's going to
Speaker 1: be Cooper Rush going up against the Eagles. Lamb is
Speaker 1: wide receiver six on DraftKings this season, you know, like
Speaker 1: all receivers, some up, up and down, a bit of
Speaker 1: a roller coaster season, some wide receiver fifties, some wide
Speaker 1: receiver one finishes. But going up against this Eagles defense
Speaker 1: allowing ten point seven r ards per catch, that's tenth
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Eight touchdowns, only tied for fifth in
Speaker 1: the NFL, So you know, it's it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to say you're gonna expect too much out of
Speaker 1: Lamb when Dak Prescott isn't at quarterback. But he's also
Speaker 1: really good. So if he's healthy going up against his defense,
Speaker 1: what do you make of it?
Speaker 5: I would take ceedee Lamb. They're gonna trail and he
Speaker 5: if you're a backup quarterback and you come in, what
Speaker 5: are you gonna do. You're gonna feed the star right,
Speaker 5: You're gonna You're gonna go to the safest route for
Speaker 5: you to succeed. I think cd is gonna have a
Speaker 5: good game, and I think they're gonna trail. And the
Speaker 5: only thing I worry about Dallas is that the Eagles
Speaker 5: will control time of possession. And I'm not sure, you know,
Speaker 5: is Dallas going to be watching most of this game
Speaker 5: from the sideline Cooper Rush? But I think Cooper rush
Speaker 5: is efficient. I think he doesn't turn it over a lot.
Speaker 5: I don't think there's a huge gap him and Dak
Speaker 5: dex better. But it's not like you know, Mahomes and
Speaker 5: Carson wentz Uh, you know, or Josh Johnson and Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5: I think the gap is a point, so I think
Speaker 5: Ceedee Lamb will eat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. How do you keep your backup quarterback job? You
Speaker 1: throw to the superstar. That's right, job number one exactly.
Speaker 1: All Right, everybody, thank you for tuning. Remember ahead to
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Speaker 1: Thanks Colin. Good luck in week ten. All right? Thanks?
Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's dive in question one here with
Speaker 1: the Germany game Giants quote unquote at Panthers in Germany?
Speaker 1: What do we expect from the Panthers backfield given the
Speaker 1: possible seemingly likely return of Jonathan Brooks coupled with the
Speaker 1: extension for Cuba Hubbard, and you can kind of look
Speaker 1: at this for what we expect out of this matchup
Speaker 1: that's a little bit longer term given this extension news, Deebro,
Speaker 1: what do you think?
Speaker 6: I mean?
Speaker 2: I think she was going to play the role he's
Speaker 2: been playing. He's gonna play probably seventy five to eighty
Speaker 2: percent of the snaps. I don't think much changes for him,
Speaker 2: and obviously, especially with the franchise giving him the contract,
Speaker 2: Jonathan Brooks being active, I think if anything, he's probably
Speaker 2: gonna cut into the snaps for Miles Sanders and they
Speaker 2: probably eat in to each other's work. But Dude, when
Speaker 2: I saw that announced, I was really like, Okay, this
Speaker 2: is interesting, Like I do not disagree with culture and
Speaker 2: paying a player that's played well. I think Cuba has
Speaker 2: played extremely well. Do I think he is a star? No,
Speaker 2: I'd be very and I just went to go pull
Speaker 2: it up. They still haven't released or I haven't found
Speaker 2: anywhere with the contract language breakdown, like is this really
Speaker 2: just a puffed up one year deal? Is this a
Speaker 2: two year deal and the money falls off after that?
Speaker 2: So I'll be very interested to see how that contract
Speaker 2: is structured. But for Jonathan Brooks, man like either and Fitzy,
Speaker 2: I'm really curious about where you stand with this because
Speaker 2: I know you la Brooks coming out, But like for
Speaker 2: Brooks and long term value, I'm like, one of two
Speaker 2: things is probably true here. Either drafting a Jonathan Brooks
Speaker 2: in the second round was a bad move or paying
Speaker 2: Cuba Hobbard or maybe both. But like I I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people have made the comparison to the
Speaker 2: Detroit backfield. My entire thing is like, this is not
Speaker 2: a team ready to roll. This is not a team that, like,
Speaker 2: they have multiple roster holes and it's not like they
Speaker 2: were top three in cap space before the Chewbahabbard contract.
Speaker 2: So I get rewarding a player that has played really well.
Speaker 2: I don't understand it in the context of, like you
Speaker 2: have so many other roster holes to plug and to
Speaker 2: figure out. Paying a running back, especially at this point
Speaker 2: of the season, should not have been the highest of priorities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the reason Montgomery and Gibbs work is a. The
Speaker 1: offensive line is awesome and allows them to work, and
Speaker 1: b those guys are really good players, Like David Montgomery
Speaker 1: was a proven good player. Jamiir Gibbs was a top
Speaker 1: twelve pick in the draft as a running back. Like,
Speaker 1: making that comparison, I think is is foolish. Yeah, fits you.
Speaker 1: What do you think we should expect out of the
Speaker 1: backfield for this week? You know, presuming that Jonathan Brooks
Speaker 1: is back on the field and then also longer term.
Speaker 4: First of all, just want to echo every Debro said,
Speaker 4: like I realize organizations need more than one good running
Speaker 4: back to get through a season, Like guys are going
Speaker 4: to get hurts and you don't want to wear down
Speaker 4: your top guy. But it is like building a house
Speaker 4: and sort of putting in the windows before you do
Speaker 4: the plumbing. Like the running backs should be kind of
Speaker 4: the last piece of the puzzle. And like we've seen
Speaker 4: bad organizations over invest in running backs. And I'm not
Speaker 4: trying to say running backs don't matter. They do, but
Speaker 4: it is a more fungible position than you know, offensive line,
Speaker 4: pass rushers, cornerbacks, quarterback of course, So it's kind of
Speaker 4: weird that the Panthers are sort of building backwards here.
Speaker 4: They're they're building sort of inside out. I don't know
Speaker 4: if that's the right way to go, or maybe outside in.
Speaker 4: But so, I mean, like Debro, I'm expecting something close
Speaker 4: to the usual workload for Chuwbo.
Speaker 3: What does that mean.
Speaker 4: He's had at least seventeen touches in seven straight games,
Speaker 4: and he does deserve that sort of workload. He's averaging
Speaker 4: five yards per carry six touchdowns in his last seven games.
Speaker 4: He has been the best thing about the Carolina offense
Speaker 4: all season. Now I could be wrong, but I tend
Speaker 4: to think the Brooks debut is sort of much ado
Speaker 4: about nothing really talented prospect. I'm excited about him for
Speaker 4: dynasty and for the future, but the Panthers really don't
Speaker 4: have much incentive to give him substantial work, considering that
Speaker 4: one he's coming off this major injury, and two they're
Speaker 4: not going anywhere this year. They're not making the playoffs,
Speaker 4: So maybe I'm wrong. I saw one person on Twitter
Speaker 4: throw out the idea, and I would give credit, but
Speaker 4: I forget who said this that maybe it turns out
Speaker 4: to be sort of Naji Harris Jalen Warren usage for
Speaker 4: these two, with Cuba in the Nase role and Brooks
Speaker 4: in the Warren role. Maybe that's the case. I wouldn't
Speaker 4: want to see that, though, because I think that devalues
Speaker 4: both guys, like I don't think Dave Kanalis likes to
Speaker 4: run the ball as much as Arthur Smith does, and
Speaker 4: also like it's a better setup for running backs in
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh where you've got a defense that can actually hold
Speaker 4: people and get your offense the ball back and give
Speaker 4: you favorable game scripts.
Speaker 3: So I'd hate to see it turn out to be
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 4: I guess I should acknowledge the possibility it is, but
Speaker 4: right now I'm betting on something pretty close to the
Speaker 4: status quo with as deebro said, Brooks threatening Miles Sanders
Speaker 4: backup role more than Cuba's role.
Speaker 2: I'm real curious with one thing before. I don't want
Speaker 2: to get you know, too far in the weeds on this,
Speaker 2: but like I know, people as soon as that news
Speaker 2: hit they were thinking about, Okay, what do I do
Speaker 2: in dynasty? And I'm like, is there any kind of
Speaker 2: thought for me? Because I just and we don't have news.
Speaker 2: I'm not breaking news, but like to just reading the
Speaker 2: tea leaves here. Carolina has been very very conservative with Brooks,
Speaker 2: like more so than I think a lot of us
Speaker 2: even anticipated to this point. And now with this Cuba
Speaker 2: Hubbard extension middle of the season nowhere free agency, I'm
Speaker 2: kind of wondering, like was the the Brooks injury more
Speaker 2: substantial or has the rehab not gone as well as
Speaker 2: like maybe they hoped that has kind of like pulled
Speaker 2: some of these levers. But I mean, and I don't
Speaker 2: want to get two tenfold had here, but like, did
Speaker 2: you think about that at all, like looking up dynasty
Speaker 2: wise and moving forward because those things kind of just
Speaker 2: like like popped off of my head after we saw
Speaker 2: the news.
Speaker 4: I didn't, but we should probably consider that possibility.
Speaker 1: It's funny, you know, fits you mentioned that they're like
Speaker 1: the Panthers don't have incentive to play Jonathan Brooks. They
Speaker 1: didn't really have incentive to pay cheb of Hubbard right now,
Speaker 1: and they still did. So maybe they don't, you know,
Speaker 1: view it in that same way. Saw somebody There is
Speaker 1: some quote about how they like view cub Hubbard as
Speaker 1: like the type of player that really like is emblematic
Speaker 1: of their franchise and who they want to be, and
Speaker 1: somebody was like Packers, Bart Starr, Ravens ed reed Cuba Hubbard.
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, the biggest case against paying Chuba
Speaker 1: Hubbard is Shoba Hubbard. You can find a guy like
Speaker 1: him in the fourth round of the draft. That's why
Speaker 1: you don't pay. It's not because running backs aren't good.
Speaker 1: It's because you can find them later. And you know,
Speaker 1: also the shorter shelf life. So I don't know that
Speaker 1: this is going to be like the difference maker in
Speaker 1: the state of their franchise, Like there was a lot
Speaker 1: wrong anyway. So you want to pay a guy that
Speaker 1: you know like and has done a good job for you, Sure,
Speaker 1: but I just think it's bad practice and sign Hubb.
Speaker 2: To an extension and pay him or draft somebody like
Speaker 2: Tyrone Tracy. Is there a difference?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well also too, like like you said, d where
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know what was bad, like drafting
Speaker 1: Brooks in the second round or extending Schuba Hubbard. It's
Speaker 1: the fact that it's both. You can do what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the answer could be both easily both.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to a much more fun matchup.
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't have said this in August, but these
Speaker 1: have been two really fun teams for entirely different reasons
Speaker 1: this season. Uh, Steelers at Commanders. It's a historic offense
Speaker 1: what the Commanders are doing, and probably the best defense
Speaker 1: in football for Pittsburgh. So I'm keeping this key question simple.
Speaker 1: Who prevails this great offense or this great defense? Fits
Speaker 1: will start with you.
Speaker 3: Is it the best defense for him? Like the Steelers
Speaker 3: are only eight.
Speaker 1: I think it might be. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: with like statistically speaking, what it is, but I think
Speaker 1: they're awesome and when I watch them, I just feel
Speaker 1: like that's the Toughesti's.
Speaker 2: Definitely better than the Ravens.
Speaker 1: God, I don't know about the best well irrelevant, Yeah.
Speaker 4: They are a contender for best defense. I know they're
Speaker 4: only eighth in defensive DVA, seventh against the run, tenth
Speaker 4: against the pass. But it'll be interesting to see what
Speaker 4: the acquisition of Preston Smith does for their pass rush
Speaker 4: because right now Pittsburgh is only middle of the pack
Speaker 4: in sacks and pressure rate, and getting Preston Smith should help.
Speaker 4: Also helping getting my guy Nick Herbig back from a
Speaker 4: hamstring injury, because that guy is a terror off the edge.
Speaker 4: So that's gonna make Pittsburgh tough with the University of
Speaker 4: Wisconsin edge combo of TJ.
Speaker 3: Watt and Nick Herbig. But it's a really good de defense.
Speaker 4: But I don't think we'll see a decisive winner in
Speaker 4: the matchup between the Pittsburgh defense and the Washington offense.
Speaker 4: I think Jayden Daniels will have his moments. I think
Speaker 4: they'll be able to move the ball in fits and spurts.
Speaker 4: But I don't think the Commanders are putting up a
Speaker 4: forty burger on the Steelers either.
Speaker 2: Debra, Yeah, I'm kind of where fits is like. I
Speaker 2: think that both are going to have their moments. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of push and pull. If I
Speaker 2: have to pick one winner out of this, dude, I've
Speaker 2: not bet against Jade and Daniels the entire entire season,
Speaker 2: like even going back to prospect season. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to bet against him now, and it's specifically because of
Speaker 2: the reasons that fits stated like talking about the pass rush.
Speaker 2: They've had the third lowest quarterback hurry rate. Now, maybe
Speaker 2: Preston Smith makes a dent in that. I doubt a
Speaker 2: serious dent in that for his first game. So yes,
Speaker 2: I'm not betting against Jadan Daniels, Like he's pretty much
Speaker 2: like between rushing equity and how good he has been
Speaker 2: as a passer. And this flows over to Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 2: They're pretty much freaking matchup proof. I don't care I'm
Speaker 2: starting them just regardless of the matchup.
Speaker 1: Is there any player in this game that you on
Speaker 1: the Commander's offensive side that there's a bad matchup, like
Speaker 1: even if you're still starting them in the bad matchup
Speaker 1: as anybody that you are worried about.
Speaker 2: Brian Robinson Junior easiest player to talk about here. Terrible matchup,
Speaker 2: terrible matchup on the ground, and the bigger point of like, okay,
Speaker 2: when when you see running backs get these bad matchups
Speaker 2: on the ground versus really tough run defenses, then we're like, okay,
Speaker 2: like a la Chase Brown, you either need to get
Speaker 2: a lot of volume or get pass game work, and
Speaker 2: I don't think Brian Robinson Junior gets either. So really
Speaker 2: you're hoping that he sucks out with touchdowns because he's
Speaker 2: been living in this thirty percent snap range when he's
Speaker 2: not been fully healthy, and maybe that goes up to
Speaker 2: forty percent, But what are we talking about here, Like
Speaker 2: he probably gets somewhere in the neighborhood of like eleven
Speaker 2: to fourteen carries no pass game work, I mean really,
Speaker 2: so you're just betting on that he rips a long
Speaker 2: run probably unlikely versus this run defense, or he scores
Speaker 2: a touchdown. So really that makes him a touchdown dependent
Speaker 2: RB three instead of an RB two, where I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people kind of view him at.
Speaker 1: By the way it fits, just to like, you know,
Speaker 1: make sure people don't think i'much, a're just just gassing
Speaker 1: up the AFC North or whatever. Like I recognize that
Speaker 1: there are other teams that are better statistically defensively, like
Speaker 1: the Chiefs have a really good case best defense in football,
Speaker 1: the Vikings obviously, I just think the Steelers are really,
Speaker 1: really good is maybe the better way to frame it.
Speaker 4: No, I agree, I would personally cast my vote for
Speaker 4: the Chiefs as the best defense in football, but yeah.
Speaker 1: It probably is the Chiefs. I think I like the
Speaker 1: Steelers defense maybe better than the Vikings, even though the
Speaker 1: Vikings pass rush is amazing and they've been better so
Speaker 1: far this season. Like if I'm projecting forward, but I
Speaker 1: think the Chiefs are probably the correct answer. Let's go
Speaker 1: to Bills at Colts, to teams that would not be
Speaker 1: in that conversation for best defense in football. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about James Cook. We didn't really mentioned him
Speaker 1: a ton on the show or really any of the
Speaker 1: shows we've done the last couple of weeks. The last
Speaker 1: five games, he has either been a top five running
Speaker 1: back or outside the top twenty four. Very boom or
Speaker 1: bust for James Cook. So Debro, I ask you, where
Speaker 1: should he be ranked for Week ten?
Speaker 2: I've got James Cook right now at RB fourteen. I think,
Speaker 2: looking at him, and that's probably a little bit low.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I think he should be a low
Speaker 2: end RB one this week. I think it's more boom
Speaker 2: than bust, and looking at it, I mean, this is
Speaker 2: just an easy narrative. Man, Colts can't stop the run.
Speaker 2: Second most rushing yards allowed per game. They suck versus
Speaker 2: zone runs tenth highest zone rushing success rate allowed. Sixty
Speaker 2: one point five percent of Cook's runs have been on
Speaker 2: zone concepts. I think this is a game where we
Speaker 2: should be ranking James Cook closer to being a top
Speaker 2: five option than being an RB two.
Speaker 1: What do you think fits?
Speaker 4: I agree with t bro Yes, the production has been
Speaker 4: somewhat uneven, but if you net it out, that results
Speaker 4: are eight touchdowns in eight games and eighty three point
Speaker 4: three yards from scrimmage per game, which works out too.
Speaker 4: In PPR scoring. He is tied for RB ten in
Speaker 4: points per game among running backs with Jonathan Taylor and
Speaker 4: Kareem Hunt. And that seems about right because I think
Speaker 4: of all of those guys as low end RB one's.
Speaker 4: I've got him RB eleven James Cook this week, so
Speaker 4: and the Colts. Deebrow says, there's some things to like
Speaker 4: about the matchup. I mean other things. It is no
Speaker 4: worse than a neutral matchup, and quite possibly a favorable
Speaker 4: one for James Cook. So yeah, I think he should
Speaker 4: be a back end RB one.
Speaker 1: I just moved him with the RB ten, what kind
Speaker 1: of usage do you expect Debro given, like also just
Speaker 1: the injuries for the receiving players in this offense. I mean,
Speaker 1: Kean Coleman already ruled out some question as of now
Speaker 1: when we're recording about Amari Cooper, does that, you know,
Speaker 1: really increase your your interest in James Cook to a
Speaker 1: significant degree or maybe just a slight boost.
Speaker 2: I think it boosts not all James Cook, but flow
Speaker 2: this over to Khalil Shakir and Dalton Kinkaid. All three
Speaker 2: of these players have plus matchups this week every way
Speaker 2: every way you slice this, And now you're telling me
Speaker 2: that Amari Cooper is probably going to be out. We'll
Speaker 2: see with the news ends up being. Kean Coleman's already
Speaker 2: been ruled out, and Curtis Samuel has not been a
Speaker 2: full time player in this offense. Mac Collins has his moments.
Speaker 2: He probably catches a freaking touchdown that I'm actually saying
Speaker 2: all this, but this is all to say that, yes,
Speaker 2: like I want to be above consensus for those three
Speaker 2: specific players this week, and warm you'll have to tell
Speaker 2: me where's Khalil Shakir in ranks right now? Because I
Speaker 2: have him right now at Oh, Khalil, where are you?
Speaker 2: I've got him at a wide receiver seventeen? Is that
Speaker 2: too lot?
Speaker 1: He's wide receiver twenty four in ECR for half GPR scoring.
Speaker 2: Because I think I might actually bump him up, like
Speaker 2: here's an interesting conversation boys, And maybe this sounds crazy,
Speaker 2: but I'm sorry, like banged up plus has Cooper Rush's
Speaker 2: quarterback Khalil Shakira se D Lamb. Who do you rather
Speaker 2: this week?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: They're actually back to back for the record in ECR.
Speaker 3: Yep, Yeah, I would much rather have Lamb.
Speaker 2: Okay, and I think I take shakier. I've seen too
Speaker 2: much Cooper Rush in my life.
Speaker 1: Secures waders here for twenty four, Ceede Lambs wider here
Speaker 1: with twenty three in ECR. So that's really interesting that
Speaker 1: you picked that name because they are there. It's funny
Speaker 1: like you look compared to like what you would think
Speaker 1: from the beginning of the season. Khalil scars vit to
Speaker 1: here with twenty four, Ceede Lambs widers here twenty three
Speaker 1: and Marvin Harrison Junior is wide receiver twenty five. They
Speaker 1: are sandwiching Khalil Shakir and Shaquir is a good player
Speaker 1: who I liked even before the year, But seeing him
Speaker 1: between those two names says something about the state of
Speaker 1: all three of those guys. Really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for anyone who is a Cede Lamb investor and
Speaker 4: being terrified by this conversation, we'll put a pin in
Speaker 4: it for now, but I will give you reason for
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Speaker 2: Did you have to walk into the show looking like
Speaker 2: a Raven's intern? Though? Like? Did do we have to
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Speaker 1: I don't think I've worn any Ravens stuff this entire s.
Speaker 2: Somebody's got to go back and fact check that I.
Speaker 1: Might have the I might have week one because they
Speaker 1: were on opening nights. I might have on that Thursday.
Speaker 1: Besides that, I don't really recall. I mostly wear like
Speaker 1: Fantasy Pro stuff, but you know, it was an exciting game.
Speaker 1: I want to wear some purple, all right.
Speaker 2: You know, assuming did you buy an FP jacket and
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Speaker 1: I did not get a purple FP.
Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: my team.
Speaker 4: You always you always start that draft kings read with
Speaker 4: the mentioned the first type of touchdown the fade to
Speaker 4: the corner of the end zone. And I know all
Speaker 4: the math nerds will point out that that is a
Speaker 4: very low ev play call, But how much do you
Speaker 4: think Bengals fans are wishing they had tried a fade
Speaker 4: to the corner of the end zone on that two
Speaker 4: point conversion to Jamar Chase. I think that's what everyone
Speaker 4: Kirk Herbstreet was basically calling that out as the play
Speaker 4: before it happened and they tried something else, as I do.
Speaker 2: That that pass that Burrow threw over to Ravens defenders
Speaker 2: to thread the.
Speaker 1: Needle to Chase is insane.
Speaker 2: It was, dude, depending on every single angle, You're like,
Speaker 2: how do amazing happen?
Speaker 1: As somebody who obviously was very motivated to see them
Speaker 1: not convert that two point conversion? The two plays, the
Speaker 1: two plays I did not want to see them run,
Speaker 1: were anything to Jamar Chase or any kind of pass
Speaker 1: to Chase Brown, Like I was really worried there's gonna
Speaker 1: be some pass.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand why they didn't throw it in the
Speaker 2: flat to Chase Brown, like, just let them run it in.
Speaker 1: That was what I was most scared of, as somebody
Speaker 1: who didn't want them to score. So I was happy
Speaker 1: to see a low percentage pass attempt to tight end.
Speaker 1: That's all I'll say. All right, let's go to forty
Speaker 1: nine ers at Buccaneers. What do we expect out of
Speaker 1: the San Francisco offense now that we have the I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's like one hundred percent official, but
Speaker 1: pretty much official return of Christian McCaffrey fits.
Speaker 4: I'm guessing somewhere between twelve to seventeen touches for McCaffrey,
Speaker 4: with Jordan Mason and Isaac Grendo mixing in. Debo gets
Speaker 4: six to eight short area targets and a few carries.
Speaker 4: Juwan Jennings takes over the Brandon ayukrals the primary downfield receiver,
Speaker 4: and George Kittle smashes this week against the Buccaneers defense
Speaker 4: that's given up the third most receptions and second most
Speaker 4: receiving yards to tight ends.
Speaker 2: Debra wheels up for everybody. I mean, CMC, I don't
Speaker 2: have him as an RB one like ECR. I just
Speaker 2: I can't rank him as an RB one in his
Speaker 2: first game back. Could he burn me in that way?
Speaker 2: But I've gotta hi an RB sixteen. I agree with
Speaker 2: fits as far as the projected workload. The way that
Speaker 2: he burns me is if he gets two touchdowns with
Speaker 2: that type of projected workload, which I mean it could happen.
Speaker 2: I'm more living in the area off. He gets probably
Speaker 2: one score, pays off on being a top fifteen, top
Speaker 2: twenty running back for the week, and really brock Purty
Speaker 2: just unleashes the passing attack man like Tampa Bay has
Speaker 2: had his Swiss cheese pass defense the entire season. I
Speaker 2: don't think that stops here. So yeah, it wheels up
Speaker 2: for all the receiving options except for Ricky Piersol, because
Speaker 2: with everybody back healthy, he's probably shoved down to like
Speaker 2: fifth in that target pecking order, you know, fits.
Speaker 1: I really kind of struggle with ranking CMC this week.
Speaker 1: We've we've got a lot of questions about him on
Speaker 1: the various live streams this week, and I found myself
Speaker 1: often siding with the other running back having said that
Speaker 1: I don't know why San Francisco would bring him back
Speaker 1: unless he was like truly one hundred percent, like ready
Speaker 1: to go. And if he is one hundred percent or
Speaker 1: really close to it, I don't know why we would
Speaker 1: think you won't get a ton of workloads. So maybe
Speaker 1: it was wrong to kind of side with some of
Speaker 1: these other decent options ahead of him and wanting to
Speaker 1: see it for a game before he comes back. How
Speaker 1: are you approaching ranking him?
Speaker 4: I've got him Marbi ten, one spot ahead of James Cook,
Speaker 4: And you pretty much summed up my philosophy on injuries
Speaker 4: right there, Like, if he is back, that means the
Speaker 4: team's medical staff has deemed him completely healthy. These like
Speaker 4: medical staffs don't want to bring players back prematurely and
Speaker 4: risk these guys having long term absences. So I'm sure
Speaker 4: they're feeling confident enough about Christian McCaffrey's ability to be
Speaker 4: Christian McCaffrey again. So yeah, Like, I don't think they're
Speaker 4: going to give him twenty five carries right away, although
Speaker 4: stranger things have happened, so with a slightly more subdued
Speaker 4: touch count, I still think back end RB one is
Speaker 4: a pretty reasonable place for him.
Speaker 1: Let's go to a game that I'm really fascinated by,
Speaker 1: Broncos at Chiefs, and we talked about this a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier in the week fit I want to dive
Speaker 1: into it more here. This Denver defense had an outlier
Speaker 1: bad game in Week night against the Ravens. The Chiefs
Speaker 1: offense had an outlier good game relative to what we've
Speaker 1: seen from them this season in Week nine. So which
Speaker 1: of those outlier performances again relative to this season will
Speaker 1: carry over into Week ten?
Speaker 4: Fits Well wouldn't have to be either both carryover or
Speaker 4: neither carryover worm, because if it's an outlier good game
Speaker 4: for the Chiefs offense again, that means another outlier bad
Speaker 4: game for the Broncos defense.
Speaker 1: You could make the case of like a you see
Speaker 1: good offense beating good defense or play well. But I
Speaker 1: take your point.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm a teacher grading a paper here,
Speaker 4: So sorry, here you go worm with all the red marks. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean so, I like, I don't know if the
Speaker 4: Chiefs offense is entirely fixed. Let me ask the two
Speaker 4: of you a couple of quick questions about the wide receivers. First,
Speaker 4: DeAndre Hopkins the rest of the way. If I set
Speaker 4: the over under at low end wide receiver two value,
Speaker 4: would you bet over or under over?
Speaker 2: I want him. I think he's a low end wide
Speaker 2: receiver one top fifteen option.
Speaker 1: I would bet over.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Same here I think maybe high end to mid range
Speaker 4: wide receiver two. And the other question, is Xavier worthy droppable?
Speaker 2: Yes he is and all of that. It really comes
Speaker 2: down to usage, FITZI. And when I looked up his
Speaker 2: numbers from last week, his first Reid target share dropped
Speaker 2: to four percent, his A dot went up to twenty three.
Speaker 2: He legit like they had been playing him in a
Speaker 2: Rashi Reis esque role in feeding him like a twenty
Speaker 2: five to thirty percent first read cheer up until last week,
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins took over that role, so he is going
Speaker 2: to play that role when people need to understand that
Speaker 2: because he played forty five percent of his snaps in
Speaker 2: the slot as well. Xavier Worthy kept the role as
Speaker 2: a full time player in the offense. But he is
Speaker 2: just like rest of season, he's droppable. He is now
Speaker 2: playing the DeMarcus Robinson the NBS role where he is
Speaker 2: running clear outs and cardio. It's it's sad, but dude,
Speaker 2: that's exactly what the numbers said from last week.
Speaker 4: I was telling Worm on the show we did with
Speaker 4: ericson yesterday that like two of the biggest red herrings
Speaker 4: of the fantasy season came in that Thursday night opener
Speaker 4: between the Chiefs and the Ravens, with Xavier Worthy scoring
Speaker 4: the two touchdowns and Isaiah Likely having the huge game.
Speaker 4: Like you would have thought those guys would be immensely
Speaker 4: valuable this season and they have just like.
Speaker 1: Also Derek Henry looking like he would need touchdowns to
Speaker 1: be relevant.
Speaker 2: Yeah true in that true or.
Speaker 1: Speak too, Yeah, a lot of stuff didn't pan out.
Speaker 2: Interesting, don't overreact to one week.
Speaker 1: I to answer your questions fits on DeAndre Hopkins, Like,
Speaker 1: I do agree. He's actually ranked in our ECR for
Speaker 1: rest of season as wide receiver twenty six. Like, I
Speaker 1: think that's going to continue to go up. Oh, but
Speaker 1: that's that's a sign that maybe right now you should
Speaker 1: go try and trade for Hopkins in new league. We
Speaker 1: think we think that that's off. We think he's misvalued.
Speaker 1: As far as Worthy goes philosophically, I really like investing
Speaker 1: in second half of the season talented for the first
Speaker 1: round rookie receivers. Everything we have seen on the field
Speaker 1: in terms of usage and in terms of the actual play,
Speaker 1: the eye test, the stats, like, he is an obvious
Speaker 1: drop if not for the fact that he falls under
Speaker 1: the umbrella of the types of players I philosophically like
Speaker 1: to pursue. So if I can get past that, you know, barrier,
Speaker 1: then yes, I think he's definitely a drop candidate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe there's something to be said for the theory that,
Speaker 4: like the Andy Reid offense, is hard for rookies to
Speaker 4: pick up because we saw guy more completely.
Speaker 1: Buzs say, yeah, he's not the first rookie receiver to struggle.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, yeah, maybe Kansas City just needs to
Speaker 2: start just signing veteran wide receivers and quit quit with
Speaker 2: drafting rookies and hurting our heart.
Speaker 1: Ra she Rice took off in the second half of
Speaker 1: his rookie season too, and then looks like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess Rice, that's the obvious exception.
Speaker 1: That's fair depro. What do you think about this this game?
Speaker 1: And you know, given that we saw the Broncos statistically
Speaker 1: had a case in that best defensive football argument. Again,
Speaker 1: statistically speaking, they were facing easier competition, you know, prior
Speaker 1: to last week, and then they get absolutely roasted. So
Speaker 1: do you think that's more typical of what we're gonna
Speaker 1: see for them going forward? Again, it's hard to know
Speaker 1: if the Chiefs are a similarly difficult matchup because you know,
Speaker 1: historically sure, but this season not so much. Last week, Yes,
Speaker 1: what do you think of this one?
Speaker 2: So first of all, nobody can stop Derrick Henry in
Speaker 2: the Ravens rushing attack. Nobody. You can just hope to
Speaker 2: try to like quell that storm a little bit or
Speaker 2: try to contain them. Good luck, you're not doing that.
Speaker 2: I mean, even since, like we talked about, Derrick Henry
Speaker 2: had a down game last night, Like it's just a fact.
Speaker 2: So I think that the Broncos will be able to
Speaker 2: contain Kareem Hunt to an extent. He's still gonna probably
Speaker 2: like sniff twenty five opportunities and it's not going to
Speaker 2: matter because the volume he's gonna see. But the big
Speaker 2: thing that I want to highlight with this matchup is
Speaker 2: that what has been helping Denver and really really help
Speaker 2: their past defense is Patrick's retained shadowing guys and taking
Speaker 2: the number one wide receivers off the board. Now, the
Speaker 2: Ravens exploited this last week and said, Okay, fine, you
Speaker 2: don't move into the slot a whole lot. So we're
Speaker 2: going to play our best wide receiver in the slot
Speaker 2: sixty percent of the time. You're telling me that Andy
Speaker 2: Reid's not going to do the same damn thing after
Speaker 2: playing DeAndre Hopkins in the slot forty five percent of
Speaker 2: the time last week. So yeah, I think Hopkins probably
Speaker 2: sees a fifty maybe sixty percent slot rate. I think
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey is going to get volume and get his
Speaker 2: and I think the Chiefs are going to roll like
Speaker 2: I think, I don't know if we see mahomes By
Speaker 2: as good as he was last week, because It's been
Speaker 2: a long time, but I think we're going to see
Speaker 2: probably he's going to be in that eighteen to twenty
Speaker 2: fantasy point range this week or close to it. And
Speaker 2: the Chiefs might not look as good as they did
Speaker 2: last week, but they're still going to look very, very
Speaker 2: good in Hopkins gonna have a good game quickly.
Speaker 1: No explanation, no thoughts, Just give me a number, Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Rest of season will be fantasy QB blank, oh ye,
Speaker 1: ten and eleven. Okay, so low end QB one for
Speaker 1: the guys. Let's go to another matchup here, Falcons. That's
Speaker 1: Saints divisional matchup here, fun rivalry. When the teams are good,
Speaker 1: Are there any Saints beyond Alvin Kamara worth starting now
Speaker 1: that they have a new head coach. We often see
Speaker 1: teams kind of change up their philosophy sometimes get that
Speaker 1: new coach, you know, bump for the players. Is there
Speaker 1: any players in New Orleans we want to start setting
Speaker 1: aside Alvin Kamara, deepro Taysom Hill.
Speaker 2: That's it. It's it's just it's just King Taysom Man
Speaker 2: like regardless. I mean, he is, he is like Thanos,
Speaker 2: he is inevitable. All roads lead back to Taysom Hill
Speaker 2: on the Saints offense, It's like, oh, well, what did
Speaker 2: Taysom do last time he played the Falcons? Oh, that's right,
Speaker 2: he got two rushing scores. Okay, and Atlanta's still bad
Speaker 2: versus the rushing attack. Okay? Check? Oh wait, is Atlanta
Speaker 2: any good versus tight ends? Nope? Allowing the ninth most
Speaker 2: Fantasy points per game to tight ends? Okay? Well check.
Speaker 2: So regardless, if you want to talk about Taysom the
Speaker 2: the rushing weapon, boom, you want to talk about Taysom
Speaker 2: the receiving weapon, who also, by the way, led the
Speaker 2: team with a twenty percent first read share last week, Boom,
Speaker 2: He's gonna pop off their way. So I mean, either
Speaker 2: way it goes all road sleep Back to Taysom.
Speaker 1: Hill, Deebro. Taysom Hill is tight end eight in ecr
Speaker 1: Is that too high? Too low?
Speaker 2: Or too low? I've got him. That's too low. I
Speaker 2: mean I've got him at uh. Let's see, I've got
Speaker 2: Taysom Hill right now at I've had him at tight
Speaker 2: end five earlier in the week I dropped him. He
Speaker 2: is tight end eight in my ranks, But I do
Speaker 2: think it was too low. I will slap my own
Speaker 2: wrist with that one.
Speaker 1: What do you think fits spicy?
Speaker 4: I've got him at tight end A two, and I
Speaker 4: agree with dee Bro's assessment. You know, look, Chris olave
Speaker 4: out its rashid shei heat out for the year. Alvin
Speaker 4: Kamara with thirty five touches last week, like he's not
Speaker 4: going to survive if they keep giving him that sort
Speaker 4: of workload. So yeah, I mean it seems like the
Speaker 4: more adverse things the Saints' offense is dealing with, the
Speaker 4: better it is for Taysom Hill. So Debro comped him
Speaker 4: to Thanos. I would comp him to a funeral director,
Speaker 4: funeral home director, because tragedy is good for business for
Speaker 4: Taysom Hill.
Speaker 2: It's fair.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's fair.
Speaker 2: Alvacas are a really dark metaphor, but it totally fit.
Speaker 1: Dude. Plase Alva Kamara is RB five and he see her.
Speaker 1: By the way, do you worry that he's just going
Speaker 1: to get one hundred percent of the defensive attention here
Speaker 1: or the volume is king and he'll be fine?
Speaker 2: I mean defensive attention when the defense can't stop the
Speaker 2: run doesn't really matter to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got him a consensus.
Speaker 4: You would think maybe there would be a little bit
Speaker 4: of pullback and that they're not looking to get him
Speaker 4: twenty five plus touches this week if they can help it.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make the case to get away
Speaker 1: from Camara obviously like you should. Sorry, I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to ask the question. But yeah, over under twenty eight
Speaker 1: and a half touches for him in this game.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a good line, all right.
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Speaker 1: question is how scared are you as a Wisconsin fan
Speaker 1: of having Derek Queen in the Big Ten.
Speaker 3: Now, hey, we're two and oer man.
Speaker 4: We've beaten the Holy Cross and University of Wisconsin Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: Yeah you storm the cord after those?
Speaker 3: No, I did not.
Speaker 4: But yeah, hopefully, hopefully this much hyped prospect works out
Speaker 4: better for Maryland than i'mond Stone, who you played from
Speaker 4: Wisconsin and turned out to be not that good despite
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Speaker 2: Going to take a nap when anyway.
Speaker 1: Okay, I suppose I should have known that was coming,
Speaker 1: considering that Diamond soone almost went to Wisconsin, so that
Speaker 1: was a fair game. Let's go to an actual football question.
Speaker 1: Patriots Bears Drake Bay is quarterback twenty two in ECR
Speaker 1: for Week ten, but he's been QB ten, QB seven,
Speaker 1: and QB eighteen in his three healthy starts this season.
Speaker 1: Should he be ranked higher? Even in what is clearly
Speaker 1: a tough matchup? Fits, I'll start with you this time.
Speaker 3: On paper, it's a tough matchup.
Speaker 4: The Bears have allowed the fewest fantasy points to quarterbacks,
Speaker 4: but the Bears also seem like they might be collapsing.
Speaker 4: They responded to their Hail Mary loss to the Commanders
Speaker 4: by getting their wigs peeled back by the Arizona Cardinals
Speaker 4: last week in the Desert, so team morale seems low.
Speaker 4: Matt Eberflus's job is probably hanging by a thread right now,
Speaker 4: so I don't think this is that scary a matchup
Speaker 4: for Drake May, although the Bears are expected to get
Speaker 4: edge rusher Montes Sweat and cornerback Kyler Gordon back, which
Speaker 4: is gonna help that defense. But still three games for
Speaker 4: Drake May that he's started and finished, he's averaging twenty
Speaker 4: excuse me, two hundred and forty one point six passing yards,
Speaker 4: two touchdown passes, and fifty point three rushing yards. So
Speaker 4: I have Drake May ranked QB twenty one, and I
Speaker 4: feel like that might be too conservative.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, based on everything he just laid out,
Speaker 1: I was guessing you were gonna say he's top twenty,
Speaker 1: top eighteen.
Speaker 3: It's a weirdly good week for quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: I agreed.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, if you look at it, like the
Speaker 1: guys ranked ahead of him, who were you dropping? You know,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is one spot ahead of him, Bo Nicks,
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams in the same matchup, Herbert, who I know
Speaker 1: you have really high fits, Stroud, Daniel Jones. Those are
Speaker 1: the names that are directly above Drake May and there's
Speaker 1: cases to be made for a lot of those guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got I'm ahead of I've got him ahead
Speaker 4: of Stroud. If Nico Collins isn't back, you know, I
Speaker 4: think I have him one spot ahead of Caleb. Now
Speaker 4: I've got him one spot behind Caleb, and I might
Speaker 4: have to change that. I think I'd rather play May
Speaker 4: than Caleb this week, Deeber.
Speaker 1: What do you think again? May is QB twenty two,
Speaker 1: So given this matchup, is that too high? Too lower?
Speaker 2: Just right as we're kind of going through this, I
Speaker 2: felt like I was being dismissive too. I bumped him
Speaker 2: up to QB sixteen. I don't want to play him.
Speaker 2: I think other quarterbacks they're not in my ranks in
Speaker 2: this range. But I would still play Aaron Rodgers over him.
Speaker 2: I would still play Justin Herbert over him, but I
Speaker 2: think playing him over Stroud, even Baker Mayfield, Caleb Williams,
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, Russell Wilson, Bo Nix, all of those guys,
Speaker 2: I think May needs to be ranked above them, but
Speaker 2: there are other players that are in the QB two
Speaker 2: range that I will still play over May. I think.
Speaker 2: I think Drake May versus Tua this week is a
Speaker 2: very interesting conversation. I think that's kind of where my
Speaker 2: line is.
Speaker 1: By the way, like you know, we're focusing on the
Speaker 1: three games that he started and completed healthy. In that
Speaker 1: fourth game that he left early, he still had forty
Speaker 1: six yards and a touchdown and not a lot of
Speaker 1: playing time, Like that's just another kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: a feather in his cap. In terms of what this
Speaker 1: rushing is. I wonder if we are not we the
Speaker 1: three of us, but we as an industry are like
Speaker 1: not reacting quickly enough to the rushing equity that you
Speaker 1: quick May. Like we knew that he could do this
Speaker 1: at North Carolina and the people who liked him in
Speaker 1: rookie drafts in dynasty leagues said this is a guy
Speaker 1: who can run too. But I don't know that he's
Speaker 1: being ranked as a guy who is as good a
Speaker 1: runner as Drake May is.
Speaker 2: I think the best comparison. I think that that is
Speaker 2: very spot on worm that we are probably not catching
Speaker 2: up quick enough to his rushing upside and his production.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he is this player, and I'm not
Speaker 2: saying he has the attributes of this player. I'm also
Speaker 2: not saying that he has the same type of talent
Speaker 2: anything like that. But I think this is very close
Speaker 2: to the production we are getting in fantasy to a
Speaker 2: dollar store version of rookie season.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Yeah, yeah, I can see that, like even
Speaker 1: like stylistically, like just like, for example, a couple spots
Speaker 1: ahead from bow Nicks, somebody who's there, because he's also
Speaker 1: shown us the rushing equity, I believe justin just as
Speaker 1: much in May's ability to run as an NFL quarterback
Speaker 1: as bo Nix and Knicks is going up against the
Speaker 1: Chiefs that we just said might have the best.
Speaker 2: I mean Nick's Dollars store Daniel Jones. So it's pretty much.
Speaker 4: Quick quick note on that Drake May averaged ten rushing
Speaker 4: attempts during his two seasons as a starter at North
Speaker 4: Carolina ten.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Drake May is really good. I'm really
Speaker 1: excited to see what he does once the Patriots get
Speaker 1: some better players around him in future seasons. I did
Speaker 1: have a second question in this game, and you kind
Speaker 1: of touched on this briefly. Fits. Just the vibes around
Speaker 1: the Bears are not good. So I just wanted to
Speaker 1: kind of throw out, like, which Chicago player do we
Speaker 1: have the most faith in for Fantasy this week?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Most, It's not a quot question in a most worm,
Speaker 4: It's a question of only it's DeAndre Swift and that's it.
Speaker 4: And I mean, like, I don't feel good about having
Speaker 4: any other Bear in my starting lineup. And I say
Speaker 4: this as someone who is forced to in our company
Speaker 4: league start Caleb Williams and Romo Dunes this week, and
Speaker 4: I don't feel good about it.
Speaker 1: In the least Debra same question.
Speaker 2: I mean, the only one I feel good about starting
Speaker 2: is DeAndre Swift. I agree with Fits now. I think
Speaker 2: like when the question is posed, I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people are going to say, Okay, which wide receiver?
Speaker 2: If you have to start one of these wide receivers,
Speaker 2: who would you feel most comfortable starting this week? It's
Speaker 2: not Dj Moore. I want to lead off with that.
Speaker 2: I think he gets shot up by Christian Gonzales. I
Speaker 2: don't want to play Dj Moore. The only guy that
Speaker 2: I actually like would feel any modicum of Okay, I
Speaker 2: think he's got talent. I think he's going to get targets,
Speaker 2: and the matchup is good for him is Roma Dunzey,
Speaker 2: and he's been popping off man like since since they
Speaker 2: come back from the bye, he's been more integrated into
Speaker 2: this offense, Like since week eight, twenty percent targets here,
Speaker 2: two point one yards per route run. So he's the
Speaker 2: only player from it because it's it's not Cole Comet.
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen has done nothing. They're not even on the
Speaker 2: same page. Like. That was one of my biggest worries
Speaker 2: about Keenan Allen going to Chicago is Caleb Williams doesn't
Speaker 2: consist And that's the problem with Kayla Williams right now.
Speaker 2: He doesn't consistently. And I went on a rant on
Speaker 2: this yesterdays and Warm's already heard this, but he doesn't
Speaker 2: consistently play on schedule. And if you have a guy
Speaker 2: running out of the slot, that's a timing based player
Speaker 2: that is route running all this stuff, and it's not
Speaker 2: okay when the play breaks down and we run, we
Speaker 2: run the Merry Go round. That's not Keenan Allen's not
Speaker 2: going to succeed in an offense or with a player
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 4: Four point seven yards per target for Keenan Allen this season,
Speaker 4: and it's not.
Speaker 2: A Keenan Allen problem. I want to be very specific
Speaker 2: about that. If you look at the per route metrics,
Speaker 2: that's not a Keenan Allen problem. That's a Kalla Williams problem.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Eagles at Cowboys, Dee Bro, how are
Speaker 1: we approaching the Dallas offense in fantasy with Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: out and Seedy Lamb banged up?
Speaker 2: Tentatively, I don't think Cooper Rush is any good. Rico
Speaker 2: is gonna get volume, but it's a horrible, horrible matchup.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people look at him as
Speaker 2: a volume based RB two. I can't rank him there
Speaker 2: because the matchup is horrible for him. He's an RB
Speaker 2: three for me, just volume based. Ceedee Lamb a wide
Speaker 2: receiver two. I'm not playing Jalen Tolbert. I'm not playing
Speaker 2: any other pass catcher from that offense outside of Jake
Speaker 2: Ferguson and Jake Ferguson I have as a tight end
Speaker 2: two this week. I just think you downgrade everybody and
Speaker 2: the guys you are playing out of this offense. Are
Speaker 2: very slim and it's all volume based. And no, I
Speaker 2: don't care about Jonathan Mingo by the.
Speaker 1: Way, Yeah, like everybody again, I had.
Speaker 2: To be mentioned because people are gonna ask U questions.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a good place. I'm glad you brought
Speaker 1: it up. I fully endorse not caring about him.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm worried about Jonathan Mingo devaluing all my Cavante
Speaker 4: Turpin shares.
Speaker 2: Deep Dynasty best Ball Baby.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I agree with debro On, Dowbell and Ferguson.
Speaker 4: I've got Dowell RB twenty five and Ferguson tight End sixteen.
Speaker 4: Don't want to play either of those guys, but I
Speaker 4: did promise earlier in the show some ceed Lamb optimism.
Speaker 4: So for the all the Lamb stakeholders out there, here
Speaker 4: is your mint jelly. In twenty twenty two, Dak Prescott
Speaker 4: got hurt early in the season and Cooper Rush had
Speaker 4: to make five starts for the Cowboys. In those five starts,
Speaker 4: Cede Lamb averaged six point two catches seventy six yards
Speaker 4: and had two touchdowns. So like he was still very
Speaker 4: playable when Cooper Rush started those five games. So pretty good,
Speaker 4: Chunk of the schedule, Ceed Lambs still productive. I've got
Speaker 4: him ranked wide receiver nine, and it's kind of because
Speaker 4: of the texture of the wide receiver position this week,
Speaker 4: like there aren't I don't know, I feel good about
Speaker 4: maybe seven receivers this week, and after that things get
Speaker 4: kind of dicey. So he's still kind of in the
Speaker 4: dicey category, but I am ranking him as a low
Speaker 4: end receiver one this week.
Speaker 1: Those who are listening on the audio feed have already
Speaker 1: heard earlier in the show my conversation with Colin Coward.
Speaker 1: We do the over runner challenge every week, and so
Speaker 1: for those on the video side who don't have that.
Speaker 1: As part of this episode, we did talk about how
Speaker 1: when you're a backup quarterback, what do you do you
Speaker 1: throw to the superstar. So as long as Seedy Lamb
Speaker 1: can handle the targets and your health wise, he will
Speaker 1: get the targets. This is what backup quarterbacks do. It's
Speaker 1: the best way to stay a backup quarterback is to
Speaker 1: know kind of where your bread is buttered, and this
Speaker 1: offense that is very clearly Seed Lambs. I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if we see some some real decent volume for
Speaker 1: lamb in this one efficiency going to be a question.
Speaker 2: Mark that bread could be starting to kind of turn moldy.
Speaker 1: I just gonna mention, Yeah, it's it's a fair, it's
Speaker 1: a fair rebuttal, let's go to Sunday Night. Before we
Speaker 1: get to the key question for Sunday Night's matchup, I
Speaker 1: want to ask you guys about your Uber Eats Sunday
Speaker 1: Night Meals of the week debro. What must order food
Speaker 1: gets you reaching for your Uber eats at for great
Speaker 1: game day deals when you think of Houston.
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of dismissed of the fact that
Speaker 2: we only have one day a week that is synonymous
Speaker 2: with tacos. I want all seven freaking days of the
Speaker 2: week's anonymous with tacos. And I'm going to brothers tacos.
Speaker 2: Just just all the freaking tacos, all the cilantro, all
Speaker 2: of it, all the time.
Speaker 1: I fully endorse having tacos more than once a week.
Speaker 1: I strongly agree with that you can.
Speaker 2: Eat them for every meal, like we have breakfast tacos.
Speaker 1: Long I make breakfast tacos four times a week. Yes, honestly,
Speaker 1: Theresa tacos one on one, easy, easy fits.
Speaker 4: How about you man, I feel like I should mention
Speaker 4: Vietnamese food because I know Houston is known for great
Speaker 4: Vietnamese food, But I have to go with I'm always
Speaker 4: a fool for barbecue, and I've heard really good things
Speaker 4: about Gatlands barbecue and Houston.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say some variation of barbecue
Speaker 1: as well, dee Bro. When we talked about this in slack,
Speaker 1: I was surprised that that wasn't the first place you
Speaker 1: went was barbecue. I just think of text. Is that
Speaker 1: like more of a Dallas thing or more of an
Speaker 1: other parts of Texas thing, or is Houston. I mean,
Speaker 1: I haven't been to Houston, but I would assume the
Speaker 1: barbecue is still super.
Speaker 2: Barbecue is still good. But tacos are the one oh one,
Speaker 2: So I'm not I'm just not picking anything above tacos.
Speaker 2: But the one thing I did tell you in slack
Speaker 2: when we we were talking about this, I also saw
Speaker 2: when I was looking up Houston places to eat that
Speaker 2: like creole Louisiana because cuisine was part of a thing.
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, we
Speaker 2: are not. Every single Louisiana person, whether it listens to
Speaker 2: this show, will tell you you're not getting Cajun or Creole
Speaker 2: food outside of Louisiana unless that chef happened to work
Speaker 2: in Louisiana and it's from there past that.
Speaker 1: No, No, I know we're talking Houston and at New Orleans.
Speaker 1: I've never been to New Orleans and the biggest reason
Speaker 1: I want to go, I think it would be a
Speaker 1: really fun please food man. Regardless of I want to
Speaker 1: go for the food so badly, like I would gain
Speaker 1: thirty five pounds in a long weekend. I h that's
Speaker 1: really appealing to me. So there you have it. Our
Speaker 1: Uber Eats Sunday Night Meals of the Week. We've got
Speaker 1: some tech you know, tacos of any variety, I'll say,
Speaker 1: on any day of the week, and we like to
Speaker 1: barbecue as well. Uber Eats has the best game day
Speaker 1: deals all season long. Order now for game day, Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: lines at Texans, I think probably the game of the week,
Speaker 1: even with the Texans not at full strength. It's seeming
Speaker 1: like can CJ. Stroud get back to playing at a
Speaker 1: high level even if Nico Collins isn't suiting up in
Speaker 1: this one?
Speaker 4: Fits No, I've got him at quarterback twenty three right now?
Speaker 4: Stroud has thrown four less than two hundred yards, and
Speaker 4: three of the four games that Nico has been out,
Speaker 4: he's only averaging one touchdown pass a game over that stretch.
Speaker 4: And the Texans offensive line has completely fallen apart. When
Speaker 4: we last saw Houston on Halloween Night, the Jets sacked CJ.
Speaker 4: Stroud eight times in that game. But this goes back
Speaker 4: like three games. They the Texans offensive line is playing
Speaker 4: worse now than it early in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: C J.
Speaker 4: Stroud's rookie season when they had like four starters hurt
Speaker 4: and I was worried that CJ. Stroud might not survive,
Speaker 4: that he might be like David Carr early in his
Speaker 4: career getting sacked so much that it ruined him.
Speaker 3: He survived that just fine.
Speaker 4: But like, I don't know if he can survive what's
Speaker 4: going on right now because they are not protecting him
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 1: Deebro, what do you think? And by the way, in
Speaker 1: ECR he's QB seventeen fits has already kind of discussed
Speaker 1: how he's lower on Stroud than consensus. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: where you stand.
Speaker 2: I yeah, wherever consensus is gonna come in at you
Speaker 2: say he's QB seventeen. Right now, yep, I got him
Speaker 2: at QB twenty. I'm gonna play Kleb over him, Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, Drake may to It's and.
Speaker 1: For all Herbert is ranked one spot behind Stroud.
Speaker 2: Right, that's ridiculous. Herbert should not be ranked that low.
Speaker 2: That's dismissed. It to whatever. Herbert has been the QB
Speaker 2: ten over the last three weeks, So get with it, people,
Speaker 2: He's a QB one this week. What are we doing here?
Speaker 2: But with Stroud for all the reasons that fits brought
Speaker 2: up man, the offensive line is playing terrible. His ceiling
Speaker 2: is so heavily correlated to Nico Collins that if Nico
Speaker 2: doesn't play, yeah, he's a bottom end QB two. And
Speaker 2: it's not a Stroud problem, it's it's in everything else
Speaker 2: around him problem. Like since week seven, tell me what
Speaker 2: quarterback can succeed in an offense? Since since week seven, CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud is facing the eighth highest pressure rate in the league.
Speaker 2: Oh no, excuse me, the highest. I'm sorry, I'm under
Speaker 2: selling this. It's the eighth fastest time to pressure, but
Speaker 2: the highest pressure rate. He has been pressured since week
Speaker 2: seven on fifty four percent of his dropbacks. Tell me
Speaker 2: what freaking quarterback in the NFL can succeed like that?
Speaker 2: Who with also downgraded weapons? I nobody. The answer you're
Speaker 2: searching for is nobody. So don't play this at the
Speaker 2: feet of c J. Stroud.
Speaker 4: Week seven was that game against the Packers where I
Speaker 4: think the pack pressure rate on CJ. Strod was like
Speaker 4: sixty two point eight percent and it was the highest
Speaker 4: of the season. It's like over fifty percent for a
Speaker 4: three week stretch. That is just awful, horrible.
Speaker 1: So so obviously we all agree that the majority of
Speaker 1: the problem is not CJ. Strodd. Do you think that
Speaker 1: zero of the blame is Stroud or is it just
Speaker 1: like you know, on a scale of one to ten,
Speaker 1: it's like one or two. It's like a very low amount.
Speaker 1: Do you think he like there's anything that he's doing
Speaker 1: wrong and can be doing better or it is like
Speaker 1: truly one hundred percent the other stuff around him.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's a one or two. I think
Speaker 2: there are a few times where we've seen him missthrows,
Speaker 2: but like hard to blame him. It's not it's not else.
Speaker 2: It's not a second year fall off in the way
Speaker 2: like at the box scores. I understand why people are
Speaker 2: upset or fantasy whatever. I get that if you watch
Speaker 2: the games at all, the talents still there, the composure, Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, we playing quarterback when you got somebody
Speaker 2: in your freaking face as soon as you hike the ball,
Speaker 2: like you don't even have time to go through your
Speaker 2: progressions even maybe get to your second read. What the
Speaker 2: hell is he supposed to do? Like seriously?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I just wanted to ask a question because
Speaker 1: I agree with you Dolphins at RAMS Monday Night Football Fits,
Speaker 1: we received tons of start seeing questions this week about
Speaker 1: Jalen Wattle on every live stream that we did, and
Speaker 1: I know we talked about him a bit on Thursday
Speaker 1: with ericson FITS. So I'll throw to you first here,
Speaker 1: what are our expectations for Jalen Wattle against the Rams.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll kind of repeat what I said on Thursday,
Speaker 4: and I echoed what our guest, Jacob Gibbs of CBS
Speaker 4: had said on our Wide Receiver ranking show earlier in
Speaker 4: the week. So Jacob made the great point about Jalen Wattle,
Speaker 4: like he just sort of reiterating what an excellent player
Speaker 4: he is and that goes back to college, where he
Speaker 4: had the highest yards per out run in college of
Speaker 4: any receiver since twenty twenty, which includes guys like Jamar
Speaker 4: Chase and Ceedee Lamb. Wattle was good enough to be
Speaker 4: the number sixth overall pick in the draft, starts his
Speaker 4: NFL career with three straight thousand yard seasons. So then
Speaker 4: we get to this year in the Miami passing game
Speaker 4: was obviously completely broken for the four games that Tua
Speaker 4: was out, And of the four games that Tua has played,
Speaker 4: two of them were against the Bills, who have one
Speaker 4: of the lowest wide receiver target rates in the league
Speaker 4: and basically just kind of take away outside receivers. So
Speaker 4: and in one of the other Tua games, Jalen Waddle
Speaker 4: had five catches for one hundred and nine yards. So
Speaker 4: I like, don't overthink it. Jalen Waddle is really really good.
Speaker 4: If you have him, he should be in your lineup
Speaker 4: against a Rams defense that's given up the eighth most
Speaker 4: fantasy points to receivers.
Speaker 1: De Bro, the way we talked you and me on
Speaker 1: this last year yesterday, I think you disagree.
Speaker 2: I mean I disagree in the sense of, like I
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of good context there. But the
Speaker 2: other part about it is like this offense is running
Speaker 2: the same way that it ran last year. And I
Speaker 2: know we have a smaller snippet with Tua, but this
Speaker 2: offense has been running heavily through Tyreek Hill and that
Speaker 2: was the problem last year for Wattle. My my problems
Speaker 2: with Wattle have nothing to do with Wattle the player.
Speaker 2: Wattle is awesome. Every single per route metric that you
Speaker 2: look at, he is awesome. But the offense is not
Speaker 2: running through him. It's Tyreek Hill, It's Devon ah chan
Speaker 2: and John new Smith. They are the players that are
Speaker 2: getting the target chare and this is not just like
Speaker 2: so for me, it's if two is gonna throw it
Speaker 2: in his dang direction, then sure, I'm totally in on
Speaker 2: Jaal and Waddle like I've got him as a wide receiver. Three.
Speaker 2: I just that's my problem with it. Like I'm really
Speaker 2: high and the matchup is really good for John U
Speaker 2: Smith this week as well, and Devon ah Chan' is
Speaker 2: gonna get his target. So my problem with Wattle has
Speaker 2: nothing to do with Wattle. It has everything to do
Speaker 2: with the composition of this offense. Now we could talk
Speaker 2: about the matchup some, but it's not like we didn't
Speaker 2: see this the entirety of in all of last season
Speaker 2: where Jalen Wattle was awesome in per route metrics, yards,
Speaker 2: per route run, everything, but he didn't get the target chair,
Speaker 2: he didn't get the first reach here. The targets went elsewhere.
Speaker 2: And that's just the composition of the offense. So like,
Speaker 2: I think he has the upside, but he is volatile,
Speaker 2: and he's a dice roll for me, Like I would
Speaker 2: not be. I would not feel good about starting Jayalen
Speaker 2: Wattle as a wide receiver. Two. You give me Jaylen
Speaker 2: Waddle as a high upside flex or a wide receiver three,
Speaker 2: and I'm just playing. I'm I'm playing him for the
Speaker 2: possible ceiling outcome. Sure, I'm all in, but as a
Speaker 2: floor option, heck no fits.
Speaker 1: Jalen Wattle is wide receiver twenty nine in ECR too
Speaker 1: high two low, just right.
Speaker 3: Too low.
Speaker 4: I've got wide receiver twenty four. He's never been a
Speaker 4: high volume guy, deebro. He's always operated at just remarkably
Speaker 4: my efficiency.
Speaker 2: Well. Rookie season, the Jarvis Lander role was different.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, yeah, ye yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Deepro wide receiver twenty nine two high two log just right,
Speaker 1: I've got him.
Speaker 2: Where is Jill and Waddle? I just moved him in
Speaker 2: my ranks. I've got him at twenty eight so I'm
Speaker 2: in that same area code.
Speaker 1: All right, We're up up there. Thank you everybody for
Speaker 1: tuning in. Those were our week ten key questions. Best
Speaker 1: of luck in week ten. Hopefully your week's ago as
Speaker 1: well for you as they started off for me or
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