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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Oh, it is a meat Friday in more

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Speaker 1: ways than one. Welcome to the program. Already in progress.

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Speaker 1: Final hour coming out. We'll talk to the man who

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Speaker 1: wrote the book on the Patriots, literally, Seth Wickersham got

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Speaker 1: a new book out talking about some of the spicy

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Speaker 1: details behind the scenes with Brady and Belichick. By the way,

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Speaker 1: don't be angry if the Patriots in the Buccaneers game

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Speaker 1: is not a good game. It's a great story. Nobody's saying, boy,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be one of the all time

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Speaker 1: great games. I mean, this is Super Bowl champs versus

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Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback. Tampa Bay is a seven point favorite.

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Speaker 1: I think we think this is going to be a slug,

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Speaker 1: fast down to the wire, last second field goal or

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Speaker 1: last second drive games on the line. Tom's leading it down.

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Speaker 1: Belichick devises some defensive scheme. It may not go as scripted,

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Speaker 1: just saying it could be one sided, maybe nineteen to

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Speaker 1: seventeen kind of final. Last night, Cincinnati Bengals got a win,

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Speaker 1: not impressive, but got to win. They're now three and

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Speaker 1: one and Urban Meyers yet to win a game in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. And had this to say afterwards, that was devastated, heartbreaking.

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Speaker 1: Usually I'm not wrong about stuff like that that. I

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Speaker 1: just see a good team in there. I see good guys,

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Speaker 1: good hearts, I see guys at work. And I told

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Speaker 1: him I'm not wrong. I'm not wrong about that stuff,

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Speaker 1: and the team's gonna win some games. Jacksonville is the

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Speaker 1: fifth team in NFL history to lose nineteen consecutive games,

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Speaker 1: tying the seven through nine Detroit Lions for the second

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Speaker 1: longest losing streak in the Super Bowl era. The Oakland

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Speaker 1: Raiders have the records, set back in nineteen sixty one

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Speaker 1: sixty two. The Raider is losing nineteen consecutive games. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have the longest losing streak in

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl era at twenty six games, so consecutive

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Speaker 1: games for the Jacksonville Jaguars, wasn't that long ago that

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Speaker 1: they were on the verge of upsetting the New England

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Speaker 1: Patriots and going to the Super Bowl. Boy, that seems

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Speaker 1: like a long long time ago. Ticket prices for the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is Tom Brady's last time in New

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Speaker 1: England unless he plays till he's fifty. You figured that

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Speaker 1: this will be the last time, so trying to get

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Speaker 1: seats and what they're going for. You know, you're seeing

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Speaker 1: anywhere from seven thousand dollars per seats for a great

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Speaker 1: location there. But once again just caution you that it

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Speaker 1: might not turn out to be a great game. Great storylines,

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Speaker 1: interesting atmosphere there, but that doesn't mean this will be

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Speaker 1: a competitive game. Yeah, McLevin, I was going to pitch

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Speaker 1: a pole question. Would the Patriots be good right now

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Speaker 1: if Tom Brady was their quarterback or would they be

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Speaker 1: contend I'm gonna say yes, because it just feels like

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Speaker 1: there are times when you go, how's he doing it

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Speaker 1: with that offense? Now? He was always it felt like

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Speaker 1: they always had a good defense. They had an opportunistic defense.

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Speaker 1: We never thought that he had a lot of great

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Speaker 1: com to get started. Ben Simmons is due twenty five

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Speaker 1: percent of his salary today. That's eight point two five million,

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Speaker 1: whether or not the Sixers issue the check on day

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Speaker 1: five of Ben Simmons holdout, a source telling mark Stein,

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Speaker 1: Simmons camp believes it will ultimately get the money either

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Speaker 1: way after a trade or separate resolution. In case you

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Speaker 1: missed this yesterday, Joe LMB took some big shots at

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Speaker 1: his teammate Ben Simmons. Simmons doesn't want to play in

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Speaker 1: filling he's not reporting to training camp. And now you've

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Speaker 1: got some drama. This is the norm for an NBA

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Speaker 1: star who wants to switch teams. We've seen this before

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Speaker 1: and it makes you think there's got to be an

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Speaker 1: easier way every time there's a bad fit. Do we

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Speaker 1: really need to play it out like something like a

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Speaker 1: Shakespeare play? Ben simmons saga has a Hamlet field to it,

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Speaker 1: you know, to dunk or not to dunk? That's the question.

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Speaker 1: In the playoffs he went with not to dunk. And

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Speaker 1: that's why we're here. Lebron Is king Lear, who can

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Speaker 1: forget the play Othello about No, it's not a to

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Speaker 1: Othello Harrington by the way, a Romeo Langford and Juliet.

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Speaker 1: All right, maybe the NBA drama isn't that nerdy, but

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Speaker 1: it's certainly over the top. And this is right there

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Speaker 1: with battle lines are drawn with Ben Simmons, his camp

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Speaker 1: and the seventy sixers, but also the commissioner and the

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Speaker 1: NBA Players Association going to get involved in this because

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Speaker 1: seventy six ers, why are you going to pay him

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't want to play there? How about and

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Speaker 1: you just sit out now you can. They can find

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Speaker 1: him and it might be one thousand, one hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars a day. Well what's he going to make with

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Speaker 1: all of that money? He's do forty million dollars and

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Speaker 1: he might go, yeah, go ahead and find me all

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Speaker 1: you want, but I want out of here. And Joe

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Speaker 1: Ellenbiad said something that I thought was really interesting that

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Speaker 1: you know, basically Ben Simmons is being selfish, and to

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Speaker 1: a degree, is like Ben played poorly. Like what happened

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Speaker 1: first that your teammates turned on you or the fans

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Speaker 1: turned on you? You played poorly. He put himself in

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Speaker 1: this position. And if I'm arguing this on behalf of

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Speaker 1: the seventy six ers, I'm going to go he put

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Speaker 1: himself in a position by playing poorly. Now doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to play here because of the reaction. Okay, if he

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Speaker 1: plays well, there's no drama here, there's no issue. They

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Speaker 1: would love him. He played poorly, Now you want them

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Speaker 1: to pay you because you paid poorly and you want

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Speaker 1: come back and I'm to show everybody I can be

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Speaker 1: an elite player. I can be a good shooter. I

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Speaker 1: can go to the free throw line. You know, I

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Speaker 1: look at Jannis. Yannis can't shoot. He can't, but he's

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Speaker 1: not afraid. And that's the difference. Yannis is not afraid

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Speaker 1: but I keep bringing it to you. Ben doesn't. That's

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Speaker 1: the biggest difference. Now. Is Jannis a better player than Ben? Yes,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not afraid to fail. Jannis shoots free throws

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Speaker 1: where you go, oh my god, how's that possible? But

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Speaker 1: he's working to get better. He wants to get better,

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Speaker 1: and he's not afraid. Ben's afraid. Ben doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: be embarrassed. You know. It's like having kids, and I

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Speaker 1: You know, the sensitivity level. Sometimes it's like, where's this

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Speaker 1: come from? But that's the generation. You know, Yanna's coming

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Speaker 1: just wired differently, like how he grew up, what he

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Speaker 1: he's just not afraid and I admire that so much

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Speaker 1: but he's not afraid. Take it to the hoop, go

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Speaker 1: I did suggest once they got to the NBA Finals,

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Speaker 1: you put him down on the blocks because he's a

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Speaker 1: more athletic Kevin McHale, who's in the top five to

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Speaker 1: But Ben Simmons has to get over this fear of failure.

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Speaker 1: Same thing with Lonzo Ball. And I think Lonzo is

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Speaker 1: that happens with Ben. Ben wants the offense build around him.

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Speaker 1: I would say, Ben, show me why I should build

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Speaker 1: the offense around you. Do you think you'll make your

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Speaker 1: free throws when you're out of Philadelphia? Is there something

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Speaker 1: about the backdrop there? Depth perception is the rim ten

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Speaker 1: and a half feet like, come on, help me out here.

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't feel like he's getting better. It feels

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Speaker 1: like he's taking a step back. And do I think

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Speaker 1: he's going to be in Philadelphia? No? I didn't think that.

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Speaker 1: After that game, I'm like, he can't stay here because

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Speaker 1: We're with you. Yeah, Seton. Does Mark hel Foults play

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Speaker 1: into this at all? Well, Mark el Folds had the yips?

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Speaker 1: Is that different than he and he had you know,

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Speaker 1: Mark cal Folds has played okay in Orlando. But and

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Speaker 1: able to get a shot back, he was able to

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see an LA fitness video. I

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Speaker 1: don't need to see you in a pickup, kay, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to see any of that. Growing up,

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Speaker 1: I wonder what Larry Bird's doing today, I wonder what

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Speaker 1: it every single night in the season, and they weren't afraid.

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Speaker 1: None of those guys were afraid. You can't play that

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Speaker 1: to grow up, take matters into your own hands. Attack this,

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Speaker 1: not run away from it. Hey, I don't like this.

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Speaker 1: I want to get out of here. Okay, what happens

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Speaker 1: when it doesn't go well in the next place? Do

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Speaker 1: you then go, hey, these people are being mean here.

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Speaker 1: I want out of here. Is he talented? Yes? Would

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Speaker 1: I want to take a shot at him if if

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Speaker 1: I'm san Antonio, I would love to see him. Maybe

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Speaker 1: go to san Antonio right, quieter city, They're non threatening

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Speaker 1: media coverage nowhere near what it is in Philadelphia. And

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Speaker 1: then you could say to Ben, come on in. Greg

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Speaker 1: Popovitch doesn't like the three, so you don't have to

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Speaker 1: worry about shooting threes, and you just let him kind

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Speaker 1: of find his place there. See if you know he

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Speaker 1: can build his confidence. I mean, he's twenty five, feels

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Speaker 1: like you know, he's been around longer than that. But

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Speaker 1: but he's twenty five, and I would have to give

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Speaker 1: him that opportunity to find yourself. You know. I do

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Speaker 1: this with my children. You're like at a certain age,

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Speaker 1: like what do you want to do? Who are you?

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Speaker 1: And my kids can't shoot threes either, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying. And they're a little better at the

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Speaker 1: free throw line than Ben. Yeah, pulling. When Ben Simmons

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Speaker 1: It looked great. He wasn't shooting a lot, he wasn't

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Speaker 1: hand delivered Jimmy Garoppolo to Kyle Shanahan, making sure he

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Speaker 1: didn't go to the Cleveland Browns. Help me understand all

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Speaker 1: of that? Illuminate me on you know, what is fact,

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Speaker 1: what's fiction? It takes a little bit of time, but

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Speaker 1: I wrote about this a lot of the time. Look

429
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Speaker 1: after they beat the Falcons and they had won their

430
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Speaker 1: fifth Super Bowl, the dynamics in the building just changed,

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Speaker 1: and I think that, you know, Tom Brady started to

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Speaker 1: vinch into other things, his TV twelve business. He put

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Speaker 1: out the book he did time versus time. He wanted

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Speaker 1: to be treated a little bit differently. And in the

435
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Speaker 1: middle of it all, you had Alex Guerrero in this

436
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Speaker 1: business that they were both trying to build together, and

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Speaker 1: the fact that the things that they were saying were

438
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Speaker 1: often at odds with what the Patriots doctors were saying,

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Speaker 1: and so it was becoming this divisive force in the

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Speaker 1: locker room. Belichick curtailed his access. I mean, think about

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Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers right now. They give Alex Guerrero

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Speaker 1: an office and they gave him a Super Bowl ring.

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Speaker 1: Bill curtailed his access back then. And in the middle

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Speaker 1: of it all, you had Jimmy Garoppolo and the fact

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Speaker 1: that Belichick has a lot of pride and he always

446
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: wanted to walk away from the Patriots with them set

447
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Speaker 1: up long term at quarterback, and he was deeply invested

448
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Speaker 1: in Jimmy. At one point when Jimmy played, he said,

449
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Speaker 1: you know, the transition between Brady and Jimmy is really seamless,

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Speaker 1: seamless on offense, and things were there was just a

451
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Speaker 1: lot of things coming to a head, and so finally

452
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Speaker 1: Jimmy got shipped. It was obvious that Crafts yalties were

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Speaker 1: to Brady, and then that offseason they lose to the

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles and Brady skips the entire offseason program, and

455
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Speaker 1: so much reporting has come out about how he really

456
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Speaker 1: didn't know if he wanted to return to the team,

457
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Speaker 1: and in fact kind of wanted to be released. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but did he go to Craft and say it's either

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Speaker 1: me or Garoppolo, Well, that I don't know. But Kraft

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady didn't get Jimmy Garoppolo traded. I think that

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Speaker 1: it was so obvious that Kraft had stated publicly and

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Speaker 1: privately that Brady had earned the right to walk away

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Speaker 1: in his own terms. And even if Bill was invested

464
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Speaker 1: in Jimmy, Tom was making it very hard for him

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Speaker 1: to get on the field. They shared an agent, don Ye.

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Speaker 1: There was just a lot of things that were closing

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Speaker 1: in and Bill was kind of backed into a corner,

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Speaker 1: and so yes, he calls up Kyle Shanahan. I think

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Speaker 1: it was on Halloween morning, maybe it was the night

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Speaker 1: the day before and offers Jimmy straight up for a

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Speaker 1: second round pick. Belichick has since come out and said

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Speaker 1: when he's the book has been mentioned that you know,

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Speaker 1: second third, fourth hand news, it feels like information maybe

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Speaker 1: coming from Brady's side more than Belichick's side. That probably

475
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Speaker 1: doesn't take long to go through the rolodecks of Belichick

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Speaker 1: and who he trust and who would have information here?

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Speaker 1: Is that a fair assessment on how I'm reading who's

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Speaker 1: saying what to whom and when and why? It's a

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Speaker 1: fair assessment of well, I think what came out in

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Speaker 1: the news story, but most of the book is not

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Speaker 1: that way. I mean, ninety five percent of the people

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Speaker 1: that I talked to you for the book are on

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Speaker 1: the record and their primary sources, and the few that

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Speaker 1: I needed to grant anonymity to are the people who

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Speaker 1: had first hand knowledge of key meetings or dialogue that

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Speaker 1: was said. And so I think with the newser it

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Speaker 1: definitely some of the news that came out definitely came

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Speaker 1: out that way, But you know, specifically with the main

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Speaker 1: anecdote from the news story about Tom Brady and at

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Speaker 1: Robert Craft's house and telling Robert Craft He's not going

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Speaker 1: to resign with the team. He wanted to go tell

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Speaker 1: Bill in person, and Bill was unavailable, And you know,

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00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: he told a confidant, a very close friend, he thought

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Speaker 1: that was telling of the state of their relationship. You know,

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00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: Brady didn't deny that yesterday. I mean, Tom is forty

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Speaker 1: four years old and he's good. He figured out a

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Speaker 1: way to thread that needle where he didn't deny it,

498
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Speaker 1: and he didn't really give anything away either. And you know,

499
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: like I said, I did the best I could to

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Speaker 1: try to show this relationship, show their greatness, and show

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Speaker 1: the cost of their greatness. We're talking to Seth Wickersham,

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Speaker 1: ESPN Senior writer author. The book is available nationally on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: It's Better to Be Feared than New England Patriots, Dynasty

504
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: and the Pursuit of Greatness. I've mentioned this story to

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Speaker 1: my audience a couple of times when I interviewed Brady

506
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Speaker 1: prior to the Super Bowl with the Eagles, and towards

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Speaker 1: the end, I said, do you think you and Bill

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00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: will ever get together and reminisce and Brady, in a

509
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: moment of truth, said no, like he couldn't believe that

510
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: I was asking that, almost like in like, no, are

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Speaker 1: you kidding me? That's that's not what our relation Now

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Speaker 1: he didn't say, that's not what our relationship was about,

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Speaker 1: but that's really how I read it. He's like no,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if he caught himself where he

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Speaker 1: gave me what I thought was an honest answer at

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Speaker 1: the time. Instead of saying, well, I hope so, and

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Speaker 1: you know, we will open up the scrap book and

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Speaker 1: you know we have so many great memory he just

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Speaker 1: went no. Would you say that sums up the relationship

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Speaker 1: between these two that they're not taking a trip down

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Speaker 1: memory lane anytime soon, not anytime soon. But I still

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Speaker 1: think that even if they get on each other's nerves

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Speaker 1: and there's some macrimony I think, especially in the Brady

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Speaker 1: side right now over how things ended in New England

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Speaker 1: the past few years, but I think that there's a

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Speaker 1: love there and I think that that's really important. And

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Speaker 1: and you know, as different as they are from a

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Speaker 1: personality standpoint, they have a couple key traits that are

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Speaker 1: almost completely aligned. And I think that one of them.

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Speaker 1: They are steadfast optimists. They kind of come in it

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Speaker 1: from a different angle. But nobody in NFL history has

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Speaker 1: believed in the power and the possibilities of the next

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Speaker 1: play like these guys. I mean, no matter what has happened,

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Speaker 1: They're able to focus on what's in front of them.

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Speaker 1: And you see a play out on these international stages

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Speaker 1: where Brady rallies the team from twenty eight to three

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Speaker 1: down and a year before another brilliant goal line stand

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Speaker 1: by a Belichick defense. I mean, nobody like these two guys.

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00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: They refuse to concede an inch to anybody else's idea

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Speaker 1: of the inevitable. I wonder if they get blown out

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Speaker 1: forty two to ten by the Falcons, does Bill move

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Speaker 1: on from Brady sooner? Yeah, that's a great question. I

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Speaker 1: think that there's a strong likelihood. One of the things

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Speaker 1: I get into in the book is I think that

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Speaker 1: one of the things that reignited their dynasty was in

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Speaker 1: the Baltimore Divisional playoff game in twenty fifteen when they

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Speaker 1: were down fourteen points in the third quarter and they

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Speaker 1: unveil that the Baltimore and the Ravens funky formations that

549
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: completely baffled the Ravens, and it got New England back

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Speaker 1: in this game. And if they had lost that game,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it would have happened. I mean,

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00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo had just finished his rookie season. Would they

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Speaker 1: have moved on from Brady right then? But instead they

554
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: unveil this classic formation that completely befuddled the Ravens, got

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Speaker 1: them back in the game, and it really reignited the

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Speaker 1: entire dynasty and led to those three more Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: You want to get in on the pregame bet? Is

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Speaker 1: there a hug? Is there a handshake? Is there any

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00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: contact whatsoever between Brady and Belichick? So I would bet,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not a better but I would bet that

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Speaker 1: there will be a pregame hug because there'll be too

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Speaker 1: many cameras after the game. And I think they'll both

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Speaker 1: do it because they know that it's in their best

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Speaker 1: interest to do it. And I often wonder, you know, look,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Brady is going to be so focused and

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Speaker 1: so keyed up for this game, whether they will try

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Speaker 1: to show him so much love at that stadium, like

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00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: a video tribute whatever to kind of throw them off. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I would absolutely seth would, I would make him cry.

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00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: The Colts did it with Peyton Manning when he came

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Speaker 1: back as a Denver Bronco. They did this big tribute

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00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: to him and he started crying during pregame warm months

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Speaker 1: and so like, I absolutely think that's the best way

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Speaker 1: to try to throw Brady off. Great to talk to you, Seth.

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Speaker 1: Congrats on the book and good luck with the sales.

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00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: Thanks man, I'll talk to you. That's Seth Wickersham In

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Speaker 1: the book, It's Better to be Feared than New England Patriots.

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00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: Dynasty The Pursuit of Greatness released nationally on Tuesday, October twelfth.

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Speaker 1: Prior to that date, the book can be pre ordered

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00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: anywhere where books are sold. Still, I have questions here

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00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: and I'll probably always have questions. It feels like the

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00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: information is coming from Brady's side of the ball, because

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00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: Belichick doesn't strike me as having guys who they're they're

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Speaker 1: going to leak information. Tom's you know here, something that

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00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: came out. Bill's not going to talk about it, but

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00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: somebody with Bill might just to give his side of this.

587
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: But it feels like on Brady's side, and look, athletes

588
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: have this, musicians have that, you have to have somebody

589
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: who is going to be saying something on your behalf.

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00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: Do I think Belichick has that? Yes, I do a fixer.

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00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 1: Do I think Tom has that? Yes, because they can

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Speaker 1: go in and say, hey, you're not you're not right

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00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: with that, or you know what, let's clear that up.

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00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,479
Speaker 1: Let me give you a little bit more clarity here

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00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: that that happens. I mean, Paul, He's done that for me. Sometimes,

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Speaker 1: when you know I don't want to get involved in something,

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00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: I'll just say to Paul, hey, hey, just be the

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00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: middleman and let them know what they said was wrong,

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00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: or you know, we can clean this up, or you know,

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00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: I can give you a comment on this. But you know,

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00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: these are big time, big name guys with big things

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00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: at stake, not me, and you want to make sure

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00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: that it's presented in the right way. Tom doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to be the guy who got Jimmy Garoppolo traded. Belichick

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00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be the guy who didn't want Tom

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Speaker 1: to stay. Like, everybody has their sides. You know, battle

607
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: lines are drawn here. But I don't know if we're

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Speaker 1: ever going to get the true story of Malcolm Butler

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Speaker 1: that you bench him because he didn't have a good

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Speaker 1: practice week prior to the Super Bowl, knowing that that's

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Speaker 1: going to hurt your chances of winning a Super Bowl.

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00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: Like I can send a message to you, but that

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00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: message might be you're not there for the first series,

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00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: now get in there and play, not you're in the

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00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: first series on the kickoff, now you're out for the

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Speaker 1: rest of the game. You know, Belichick not wanting to

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Speaker 1: meet with Tom and COVID and yeah, I'm okay, fine,

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Speaker 1: But did he reach out after that? Did he cared

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Speaker 1: to I don't know, Like it's not as big a deal,

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Speaker 1: but I just don't think that that's not who Belichick is.

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Speaker 1: He not a huggy guy. I don't think he hairs

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Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, mclub, I love what you guys are

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Speaker 1: talking about. Emotional warfare, like a make a video, put

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Speaker 1: pictures of his kids in Patriots here around the locker room. Yes,

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00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: I would make this as emotional as possible. If I'm

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Speaker 1: the Patriots, I would overdo it. I'd put his jersey

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00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: up in the Patriot Hall of Fame. I mean I

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Speaker 1: would do whatever it would take just to get him

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Speaker 1: off his game. Last call for phone calls, what we learn,

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Speaker 1: what's in store tomorrow, if you're watching on Peacock, we

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Speaker 1: will go to the Tregger Grills. Take a break, by

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Speaker 1: the way, the twelve fifteen Podcast. Today, Paulie is going

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Speaker 1: Room Guys and I don't know if there's more nudity,

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Speaker 1: Take a break, close up shop after this. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to

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Speaker 1: can find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or

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Speaker 1: stream us live on the Peacock app. Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb.

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Speaker 1: The podcast is called All Ball. We usually talk all

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Speaker 1: basketball all the time, but it's more about the stories

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Speaker 1: about what made these people love their sport and all

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Speaker 1: we talked to players, We tell you stories. They download it,

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, orherever you get your podcast. My thanks to Tyler.

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Speaker 1: Tyler the moderator did a wonderful job. He moderates chat

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Speaker 1: Row also runs sound him back there. He takes care

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Speaker 1: of my puppy Winnie during the show, and he does

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Speaker 1: Meet Friday did a wonderful job, Tyler. Nobody else will

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Speaker 1: very much. He's averaged and a lot of things, but

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Speaker 1: I said to him this morning, I said, do you

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Speaker 1: He goes no, And I said, all right, he's out

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Speaker 1: show to learn more. Yes to Hunt or Paul. There's

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Speaker 1: some people on our staff, the back room guys. I

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Speaker 1: would love to know what they do all weekend. Tyler

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Speaker 1: might be the ones seed. I don't. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to know. I don't. I do want to know, but

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Speaker 1: I might might be disturbing. I mentioned Mark McGuire birthday today,

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Speaker 1: fifty eight, Rod Carew seventy six, Zach Gallifanaki's fifty two,

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Speaker 1: Bree Larson thirty two, and former President Jimmy Carter ninety seven. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Let's say Paulie is on the twelve fifteen podcasts with

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Speaker 1: the Boys that's available if you get the newsletter wherever

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Speaker 1: What the back room guys think of all this stuff?

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Speaker 1: PAULI this day sports history nineteen o three, the first

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Speaker 1: Modern World Series took place, the Boston Pilgrims versus the

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Pirates. I thought they were the Boston Americans. I

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Speaker 1: might have to check. Nineteen nineteen eight players for the

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Speaker 1: Chicago White Sox began their conspiracy to lose the World

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Speaker 1: Series to the major underdog since that he reads. Babe

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Speaker 1: Ruth made his final pitching appearance at nineteen thirty three.

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Speaker 1: He pitched a complete game, all nine innings, and he

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Speaker 1: stan Roger Morris of the Yankees hit his sixty first

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Speaker 1: home run of the season to beat Babe Ruth's major

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Speaker 1: League record of sixty. By the way, the first World

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Speaker 1: Series game ever played, the losing picture is the winningest

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Speaker 1: picture of all time. Cy Young Cy Young one what

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Speaker 1: five hundred and eleven games in his career, but he

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Speaker 1: never won the Cy Young Travis, I know, I know,

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Speaker 1: never won to say you uh let's see here, uh?

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Speaker 1: Ryan and Honolulu joins us Hi Ryan oh oh, Dan

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Speaker 1: Totaly making good on his snug. If you don't bet

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Speaker 1: today at a boy? Wait? Did your wife as your

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Speaker 1: wife watching the show today? My wife is asleep, Dan.

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Speaker 1: It's five fifty am okay, But I need to addressed

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Speaker 1: the elephant in the room or is it more of

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Speaker 1: a turtle? Are you having brat worse for meat Friday?

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Speaker 1: Or little Smoky? Maybe some franken beans? How about sides.

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Speaker 1: Are we talking eggplant or baby carrots? I'm knocking them down.

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Speaker 1: Are they ding dongs for dessert or just twinking? I'll

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Speaker 1: keep hammering away here, Dan, If Seaton is Jimmy Jimmerson,

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Speaker 1: then poorly is John Johnson? Oh, poly and all the glory?

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Speaker 1: How are ironic? I'm watching Pancon. I was gonna do

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Speaker 1: Marke headlines for Jags. But you know, if I'm eligible

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Speaker 1: for second of the year, Dan, Hello, all right, thank you, Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Tell your wife you said hello. He showed himself out. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like that. Uh, Let's see what else do we

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Speaker 1: have here? Who wants to follow that? Anybody have the

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Speaker 1: Patriots winning out right? Anybody got the Patriots? Nobody? I'll

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Speaker 1: take the Patriots winning out right. That's bold. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: then do you wear Michael Phelps speedo on Monday? I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna wear Pauli's Michael Phelps speedo, right, yeah, on Monday.

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Speaker 1: It's not It's not that bet. I think the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: I'll take the Patriots to win this game. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: should do the other end of the bet, which was

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Speaker 1: to put him in a suit of armor and make

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Speaker 1: him swim. Oh, I know, I know that was my

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Speaker 1: favorite if you could have gotten Michael Phelps in a

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Speaker 1: suit of armors swimming in the pool and Paully would

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Speaker 1: have raised him and still lost the Phelps in a

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Speaker 1: suit of armor. Yeah, I know. Let's see final result.

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Speaker 1: So the poll question, McLevin, who would you build around

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence or Joe Burrow? Sixty eight percent Joe Burrow. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I get that recency bias as well. And I'm rooting

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Speaker 1: for the Patriots to win because the content that will

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Speaker 1: If the Buccaneers win, nobody's gonna be surprised, but I'm not.

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Speaker 1: There's no guarantee on this is going to be a

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Speaker 1: good game. By the way, it could be field goals sloppy,

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Speaker 1: not great. Yeah, Ton, do you look like you're ready

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Speaker 1: to say something? Oh? I was going to tell you

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Speaker 1: what I learned? Oh what did you learn today? Ton?

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Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison would tell the pages not to get tricked

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Speaker 1: by where Tom Brady's looking. First, hold your ground and

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Speaker 1: be patient, Mick Lovin, what did you learn? I didn't

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Speaker 1: learn anything, But I have a question. Are you guys

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Speaker 1: going to watch the Sopranos movie this week? At it?

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Speaker 1: It just we just got a tweet about that I

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Speaker 1: forgot it comes out today. Probably not, since I didn't

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Speaker 1: watch the Sopranos, I'm not going to watch the prequel. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: see can we? Is that like one that you can

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Speaker 1: watch from home? Or do you have to go to

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Speaker 1: a theater HBO Max, Oh, theater. I'll definitely watch it.

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Speaker 1: What did you learn today that I'm watching that movie

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Speaker 1: this week? Okay, Paul, you should actually watch it because

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Speaker 1: then you can watch the prequel and then the entire

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Speaker 1: show at the right order. So it's like better call Saul.

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Speaker 1: For those who haven't watched Breaking Bad. What I learned

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