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Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to move the six DJ. Bucky

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Speaker 1: back with you as always, but this is a very

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Speaker 1: special episode because today we've got our good friend from

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Speaker 1: the Race's Senior Bowl. He just runs the thing. He's

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Speaker 1: kind of a big deal. We want to brag on

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Speaker 1: for the Senior Bowl watch list as we get ready

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Speaker 1: to crank up here on the college football season. It

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Speaker 1: starts this weekend if you didn't know. So football is

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Speaker 1: right around the corner. And it's always a pleasure to

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Speaker 1: have our buddy Jim Naggie with us next. How you know, Bud?

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Speaker 2: What's up? Guys. Good to be on.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate this man. We look forward to this every year.

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Speaker 1: It's that time of year where I guess this is

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Speaker 1: college football is starting. Who do we need to be watching?

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Speaker 1: Who do we need to keep our eye on here?

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Speaker 1: As you give us this list that kind of is

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Speaker 1: it's a great starting point for all of us who

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, we started really last January, once we got

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Speaker 2: Your top fifty and they failed, then then we.

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Speaker 3: Felt good about our roster. Then we could move on

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Speaker 3: to twenty twenty four. So yeah, we've been watching these

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Speaker 3: And uh, I'd like to give the guys that our

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Speaker 3: We really start with like all American all conference lists

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Speaker 3: quite honestly. And then and then you know, once the

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Speaker 2: Heads up on guys.

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Speaker 3: And and again people ask like, how do we how

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Speaker 3: So you'll see this year the watch list, Man, it's

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Speaker 3: seven hundred and twenty players. We've never been over five hundred,

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Speaker 3: and that's totally because of COVID. You know a lot

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Speaker 3: It's not seven twenty sounds like crazy to me, but

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Speaker 4: So when you have so many prospects to watch, tell

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Speaker 3: We have twenty guys that were Senior Bowl employees in

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Speaker 3: into him a little bit this summer. And then they're

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Speaker 3: loaded in the back end. They've got a bunch of

439
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Speaker 3: DB's they've got They've got a Nickel Baron who's a

440
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Speaker 3: really fun player to watch. They're loaded at safety. They

441
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Speaker 3: got Jordan Catalan, who from Arkansas, who I know you

442
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Speaker 3: guys have seen over the years. And then, uh, and

443
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Speaker 3: you said, was did you say Texas Tech is the

444
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Speaker 3: other one?

445
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Texas Tech's got eleven dudes.

446
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Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, Texas Tech.

447
00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,560
Speaker 3: I'm actually gonna go out there in a couple of

448
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Speaker 3: weeks make another swing back through there. But I'll bring

449
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Speaker 3: up one name I know his last Steve Linton, is

450
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Speaker 3: a transfer from Syracuse. Man, wait till you watch this guy.

451
00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,560
Speaker 3: Really cool player. He's a Syracuse transfer. He's he's tall,

452
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Speaker 3: he's like six ' four, two thirty. They played him

453
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Speaker 3: as a three technique most of the time at Syracos.

454
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Speaker 3: So you're seeing this guy inside and there's very few,

455
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Speaker 3: you know, kind of wide rushes, space rushes. But the

456
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Speaker 3: cool part about him was, man, he is heavy inside.

457
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Speaker 3: For two thirty, he was holding up at the point

458
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Speaker 3: of attack, he was playing double teams, he wasn't getting pushed.

459
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Speaker 3: And now they're just gonna play him outside at Texas

460
00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,520
Speaker 3: Tech and play more to his skill set and he's

461
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Speaker 3: gonna test off the charts. You see him close, like

462
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Speaker 3: it's legit stuff. I can't wait to see that guy

463
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Speaker 3: in there. And like, again, I think you said eleven guys,

464
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Speaker 3: nine ten, eleven guys. I mean there, Joey McGuire has

465
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Speaker 3: done an awesome in a short period of time.

466
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Speaker 2: In Texas Tech.

467
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Speaker 1: Well, by the way, do you know, do you know

468
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Speaker 1: anything about him at all? Because I'm not really he

469
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Speaker 1: was a high school coach, right, was that right?

470
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Speaker 3: He was a high school coach. Like I said, I'm

471
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Speaker 3: going out there in a couple of weeks. I'm excited

472
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Speaker 3: about it. The only thing I do know is that

473
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Speaker 3: I have I've had a lot of NFL guys reach

474
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Speaker 3: out to me and say, like, man, if you're going

475
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Speaker 3: to give love to a program on there on our behalf, like,

476
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Speaker 3: give some love to Texas Tech because he has created

477
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Speaker 3: an awesome environment for scouts. They love going through there.

478
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,959
Speaker 3: And again, just going through the state of Texas. His

479
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,560
Speaker 3: name got brought up at a couple of the other

480
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Speaker 3: schools of guys that know him well from you know,

481
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Speaker 3: his day's coaching in the high school high school ranks,

482
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Speaker 3: and he just sounds like just a phenomenal dude.

483
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Speaker 2: So I can't wait to get out there and spend

484
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Speaker 2: all the time with him.

485
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Speaker 1: I love that big ten Wise, I guess not a

486
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Speaker 1: surprise based on what Harbass said. You've got eighteen guys

487
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Speaker 1: from Michigan on your watch this, which is he's been

488
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Speaker 1: a homer. He's been a homer.

489
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Speaker 4: He does don't let him, don't let him put those

490
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Speaker 4: ties out the team up North, he's been a homer.

491
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Speaker 2: He's being very lenient with some of those.

492
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Speaker 1: Race for those Wolverines.

493
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Speaker 2: I'm sure I've actually went against that Bucky.

494
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Speaker 3: Like I should have been saying I should have invited

495
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,360
Speaker 3: Jake Moody the kicker last year, and I'm like, nah,

496
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Speaker 3: I can't load up that much. But yeah, so I'll

497
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Speaker 3: say this guys, like people have asked me, is that real?

498
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Speaker 3: Like after Horball said that, is there is that real?

499
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Speaker 1: Right?

500
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Speaker 3: And and I think the record was, uh, Georgia a

501
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Speaker 3: couple of years Ago I had fifteen?

502
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Speaker 4: Is that?

503
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Speaker 2: And I know Ohio State.

504
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Speaker 3: There was an Ohio State team in the early two

505
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Speaker 3: thousands that I scouted for the Patriots that was at fourteen,

506
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Speaker 3: you know, back in the aj Hawk days, and I

507
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 3: think that Georgia team beat it. So when Harbaugh says

508
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Speaker 3: they're gonna get five more than the record, I was like, man,

509
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Speaker 3: I don't know about that. But when when you look

510
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Speaker 3: at this now, guys, there's seven linemen, seven offensive linemen,

511
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Speaker 3: one class on. I mean, that's unheard of. All these

512
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Speaker 3: guys are PF these all these guys are PFA.

513
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Speaker 2: Level, are above.

514
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Speaker 3: And then you've got a tight end transfer from Indiana.

515
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Speaker 3: You've got the two running backs, Corman Edwards. You've got

516
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Speaker 3: Roman Wilson and Cornelius Johnson at wide receiver. We've got

517
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Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy on at quarterback. So that's like fourteen right there.

518
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 3: And then on the defense, they've got two edges, they've

519
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 3: got a junior off the ball linebacker, they've got three dbs.

520
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Speaker 2: So it sounds crazy load us. They are loaded.

521
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Speaker 1: They're loaded. So Ohio State not too far. Ohio State

522
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Speaker 1: and Penn State. Penn State's got thirteen. Ohigo State twelve.

523
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Speaker 1: So those are kind of the big three. Not a

524
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Speaker 1: surprise to see those names on there, But the one

525
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Speaker 1: that caught my eye. You talk about Texas Tech doing

526
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Speaker 1: a nice job building a program, they're doing it right

527
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Speaker 1: at Illinois. Because we talked about Witherspoon a little bit earlier,

528
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Speaker 1: and we've talked about all the guys they had rolling

529
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Speaker 1: through that program last year. Now of a sudden you

530
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Speaker 1: look up and they got another eleven guys this year.

531
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they've they've done a great job there.

532
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Speaker 3: You know, we had Satavius Martin in the game last year,

533
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Speaker 3: Kwon Martin and Sydney Brown, who's killing it right now

534
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Speaker 3: for the Eagles. Probably my favorite player in last year's draft,

535
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Speaker 3: Top five player, favorite player. But yeah, Brett Beilan has

536
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Speaker 3: done an awesome job in short time. They've got two

537
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Speaker 3: defensive linemen this year and Randolph who are are really

538
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 3: fun players to watch. I mean, both guys are good

539
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Speaker 3: with their hands, that they're getting coach well, they're getting

540
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 3: developed well, they're getting coached well.

541
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Speaker 2: That that really didn't surprise me. They were so fun

542
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Speaker 2: to watch on defense.

543
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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that secondary was ridiculous.

544
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and they're just flying around.

545
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Speaker 3: I mean they they played like an SEC defense. They

546
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Speaker 3: had just dudes flying around, playing physical, aggressive.

547
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Speaker 2: They were fun.

548
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Speaker 3: So yeah, there are another They're another team. Man there,

549
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Speaker 3: they got some guys coming back.

550
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Speaker 4: You know. So let's let's go to I guess we

551
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Speaker 4: still call it the PAC twelve. I don't know what

552
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Speaker 4: to call. It has completely been blown up. But let's

553
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Speaker 4: talk about the conference as it stands now. You have

554
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Speaker 4: USC who has always loaded a lot of attention there

555
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Speaker 4: with the quarterbacks, so you can have a lot of

556
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Speaker 4: eyes on them. And then you also have an up

557
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Speaker 4: and coming squad I would say in Oregon State who

558
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 4: is really really intriguing, interesting as they kind of climb

559
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Speaker 4: to the ranks of the elite in that conference.

560
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Speaker 1: I think they won like ten games last year, Like

561
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Speaker 1: that was kind of game yeah going through Like I

562
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Speaker 1: was just looking at the other day, like looking at

563
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Speaker 1: the schedule, and uh, and I don't know why, I

564
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Speaker 1: just didn't even notice that last year that team won

565
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Speaker 1: ten games and they gave sc and Caleb Williams all

566
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Speaker 1: they could handle, and that one came down to the

567
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Speaker 1: very end, no doubt.

568
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Speaker 3: I mean, Buck, you and I I think we were

569
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Speaker 3: both scouting the West Coast and Jonathan Smith was playing.

570
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's done a phenomenal job.

571
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's one of the most you know, least

572
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: talked about stories in college football last year that team

573
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Speaker 3: win in ten games, and they do. They have a

574
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Speaker 3: lot coming back obviously, Dju coming in a quarterback that's

575
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Speaker 3: gonna be interesting. You know, he's coming into a good

576
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 3: football team. And they've got their offensive line is loaded.

577
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Speaker 3: I mean, they've got three or four guys on the

578
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Speaker 3: watch list, a couple of guys you know up you're

579
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Speaker 3: near the top of her board. I mean, gosh, they've

580
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Speaker 3: got the right tackle. Fuaga is a really good player.

581
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Speaker 3: And then uh god, they've got it. They've got a

582
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Speaker 3: guard yet in Joshua Gray, who plays left tackle, has

583
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 3: played some guard really versatile players. So they've done a

584
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 3: great job in Corvallis, Man, that is not That's not

585
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 3: an easy place to recruit to. It's not an easy

586
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: place to get to. So what the Beams have done

587
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 3: up there, man, it's impressive.

588
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Speaker 1: No doubt. And then Buck mentioned sc has got fourteen,

589
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Speaker 1: so they it seems like this is not I know,

590
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk obviously about the defense and

591
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: the questions about the defense, but I think they went portal.

592
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: You know, gott the portal pretty good on that side

593
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Speaker 1: of the ball as well. So sc when you kind

594
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Speaker 1: of stack them up, when you see the Ohio States,

595
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Speaker 1: the Penn States, the Michigans. Will get to the SEC

596
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 1: here in a second. But it looks like it is.

597
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: It is not just a one man band there with

598
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Speaker 1: Kaleb Williams.

599
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Speaker 3: And I'll say this for Kayleb Williams, like he's going

600
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Speaker 3: to be well protected. We've got three or four offensive

601
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 3: line around the watch list too. Those guys are all

602
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 3: all legit guys. They have three or four draftable level

603
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: players on the offensive line, so protection will protection will

604
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Speaker 3: not be an issue for the Heisman Trophy winner.

605
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Speaker 1: That's great. Let's get to the SEC because these are

606
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: the numbers get big, and rightfully so. But it might

607
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: surprise people who has the most when you look at it,

608
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Speaker 1: because I'm going through this list here, Old miss has

609
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Speaker 1: got twenty guys. Jim Tennessee's got nineteen, so then you

610
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Speaker 1: know Alabama's got ten. LSU's got sixteen, which is a

611
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Speaker 1: big number. Shouldn't be a surpriser. George's got thirteen is

612
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: a really good number. But I'm looking at that and

613
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Speaker 1: to me, the takeaways Old Miss and Tennessee have got

614
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Speaker 1: a lot of good older veteran players.

615
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Speaker 3: Well, Tennessee has a lot of proven players that we know,

616
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Speaker 3: Like there's a lot of those guys. We know those

617
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Speaker 3: guys who've been watching a lot of those guys for

618
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Speaker 3: a couple of years. The Old Miss number is big

619
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Speaker 3: because there's a lot of transfers, and it was it

620
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Speaker 3: was a hard it was a hard cut.

621
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Speaker 2: And again we're just trying to stay open minded.

622
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Speaker 3: They and their staff likes these guys, right, Like you

623
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Speaker 3: talk to the coaches, they like a lot of these

624
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: players they're bringing in from other places and think they

625
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: can have, you know, big years for them. So we

626
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 3: left some of those guys on. Now do I think,

627
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Speaker 3: you know, are they gonna.

628
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Speaker 2: Win the SEC?

629
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that, but they've got a lot of dudes.

630
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Speaker 3: And that's another school. They've done a really good job

631
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Speaker 3: in the Portal Lane. Uh you know, Lane Lane's done

632
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 3: a really nice job bringing bringing players to Oxford. So

633
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: a lot of those guys have a lot to prove.

634
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 3: They're not as proven as some of the others, but

635
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 3: there's a that's a big number the scouts are gonna be.

636
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: That's gonna be a nasty week report writing when you

637
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 3: go into when you go into the state of Mississippi

638
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 3: and you got you got to go to Oxford and

639
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: Starkfield's got a bunch two and then you had done

640
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: towards Baton rouge.

641
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Speaker 1: Uh.

642
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 2: If you're a scout, you better scheduled a day of

643
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 2: report writing or two, or not go to a game

644
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: on that Saturday, because you're gonna be typing your butt

645
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: off that week in the state of Mississippi.

646
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Speaker 1: And go ahead, go ahead, like so Nanda, we're out

647
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Speaker 1: of it.

648
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Speaker 4: You remember how miserable those days were, like when you

649
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 4: would show up vintage sc and they got eleven dudes

650
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Speaker 4: on the defense of the ball and then you got

651
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Speaker 4: uh ten on the aft side of the ball.

652
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Speaker 2: So it's a two day visit.

653
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Speaker 4: You got all the reports to write, the body types,

654
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Speaker 4: all the admin stuff that you got to feel in

655
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 4: it to get the background stuff.

656
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: Like it is a lot like I look.

657
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: Dude, I tell I tell people like in Alabama you're

658
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: gonna have double digit players drafted every year back in

659
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 2: especially my day, like the Patriot system. I came from it.

660
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: Took two hours to a draftable player. At least for me.

661
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 2: Maybe I was a little too wordy or verbose with

662
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: my with my reports, but.

663
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: I mean by the time you get to the I

664
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: mean you think about all the hours.

665
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 2: Of just typing beyond being at the school all day.

666
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: And that's why not to get on a soapbox or anything. Guys.

667
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: But like when people say, like on on.

668
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 3: Social media in the Internet, they call themselves scouts, and

669
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: we call even what we're doing, man, we're not scouting, man,

670
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: we're evaluating. Like there's not a guy that works for

671
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 3: us right now that would say he's scouting. Scouting is

672
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 3: like living in Fairfields and being away from your family

673
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: and all the sacrifice and eating the you know, eating

674
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: on the run like that scouting what we're doing here

675
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 3: at the Senior Bowl and whatever, we're evaluating players, right.

676
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the fun stuff we get to do. That.

677
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: That's why I always tell people they're like, wait, you know,

678
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: do you do you want to go back in I'm

679
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: like I could do. The fun part of the job

680
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: is the evaluators watching the players and giving an opinion

681
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: on a player. That's the fun part. All the other

682
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: stuff's work. Who wants to do that?

683
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: Who wants to send of a in front of a laptop.

684
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 1: For forty Oh oh dude, by the way, the worst,

685
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: the worst, This is always this is my pet peeve.

686
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: And maybe with technology, maybe now we've gotten beyond that.

687
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 1: But at least one of the teams I worked with,

688
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: we had to put in all the high school stuff

689
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: all all all we're doing is we're taking what's in

690
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: the what it used to be the media media, the

691
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: media Guide. And I'm just looking at the media Guide

692
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 1: going three time All Conference Basketball All County that I'm like,

693
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: is there not some way we can get somebody in

694
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: the office to just cut and paste this section over

695
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: into this hours and hours of that you're giving You're.

696
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: Giving me flashbacks, man, please stop.

697
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: Oh the other the other scouting thing. I want to

698
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: hit you out too. We're just kind of going down

699
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: memory lane because for those that don't know, the three

700
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: of us were doing very similar jobs at the exact

701
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: same time, and we literally this is not something we

702
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: became friends when we all got on this side of

703
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: the bit, like we would be on school calls. I've

704
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: been with Bucky on more than a dozen I've been

705
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: with GYM on more than a dozen, probably way more

706
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: than a dozen. But the other thing, do you remember

707
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: when like say we're doing the West coast just for

708
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: for for what Buck was talking earlier, like you'd have

709
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: SCCU do your schedule like SC probably gonna be two days,

710
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: UCLA will have a good number of guys. But you

711
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: know what, then I'm gonna follow that up with like

712
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: cal Poly and Fresno, so I have two easier days,

713
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: not like maybe not as many guys, very ambitious week.

714
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 4: So yeah this wait, No, I'm not scheduling my week

715
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 4: like that, GYM, but you have USC.

716
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm doing USC UCLA.

717
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: I'm taking an l a weekend.

718
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you want living out here.

719
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: And then I'm gonna make my way down to San

720
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 4: Diego and I'm gonna be in San Diego for a

721
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 4: minute because you know USD has some prospects to go

722
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 4: to San Diego State.

723
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: That's at least two two and a half days. You

724
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: never know, call maybe yeah, like San Diego State. Dianego

725
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: State was my local that was my local school. So

726
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 1: I never put them on the schedule because I always thought, man,

727
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: and if I'm if the kids are sick or I'm

728
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: something's going on. Like I can always then say that's

729
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: my that's my San Diego State day. Okay boom, I

730
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: can do that and then be back home. But but

731
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: I would schedule that in and then I'm like, okay, well,

732
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: at least I'll get to cal Poli. They only have

733
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: two guys in the list. And you get up to

734
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: cal Paul and the coach is like, well, here's we

735
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: have twelve NFL product And I'm like, no, you don't

736
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: have twelve. And I've got to sit there now, I

737
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: got to write up twelve guys?

738
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: Can I share? Can I share one story on that?

739
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

740
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 4: So I was.

741
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: I was at a school in North Carolina which will

742
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 3: remain nameless, and the pro liaison who was the coach, uh,

743
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 3: Sammy gave me, gave me twelve guy. That's why this

744
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: click and un mean remember the old ride?

745
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, George, he played with him? Did you played with him?

746
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: So your teammate Natron walks back, get done.

747
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: He hit me all the best head coach players and

748
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: I walk in, I walk out, and I go, hey, Nature,

749
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: and how many guys you got?

750
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: He goes He's like one?

751
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 4: Maybe?

752
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: So I was like what do I do with this?

753
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: I've got all this background on twelve players, but Daytron

754
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: means who's played in the NFL says they got one guy.

755
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: So what am what am I doing?

756
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: Hey? I think he just outed. I think he just

757
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 1: outed what school he was at? By the way, with

758
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: that with that story, well no, because.

759
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 4: My guy Natron coach did two other schools before he

760
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 4: made his way back.

761
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: Ah, okay, so he's covered covered, he's covered.

762
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 4: So I know it's one or two schools, Fuel State

763
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 4: one of those.

764
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: But that is hilarious.

765
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: Thanks. Yeah, just out of them, just out of them, Hey, Jim.

766
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: Speaking of small schools. One of the favorite things about

767
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: this list. Again, for those that want to check out

768
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: the entire list, go to Senior Bowl dot com slash

769
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: watch list. You can see the entire list, all seven

770
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: hundred plus names. But it's always fun to see guys

771
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: from smaller schools. And we've got some interesting ones. We've

772
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: got an East Strouds, a Gardener Web, a man Cato,

773
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: We've got a South Dakota Mines, We've got a Virginia State.

774
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: But I'm curious because I feel like, uh, the Wisconsin

775
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: schools have been good to you. Uh, so you've got

776
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: you've got somebody from Platteville here on the on the

777
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: watch list. What are we dealing with here?

778
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're we're we're dipping back in.

779
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: Youre Wisconsin D three pool where where we had you

780
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: got Quinn Minors a couple of years.

781
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: Yes, justin. My daughter still wears that shirt. By the way,

782
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: the coach sent me a shirt because we talked about

783
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: him the whole week. He's sent me a Whitewater shirt

784
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: and my daughter it's a yeah, she loves it.

785
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: Anyways, go ahead, they said they saw us a helmet,

786
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: so that's good.

787
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: We got to help for the ice.

788
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah.

789
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 3: So Blasic's uh, you know, like a six y three,

790
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty pound edge player.

791
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: He was on on our guy Bruce Pelvian's Freaks list.

792
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: Supposed to test really well. You put on the tape,

793
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: it looks how it's supposed to look. He stands out right,

794
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: so you know he's got the measurable stuff, which you

795
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: got to check that box, right. We know he's gonna

796
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: test well. He checks that box. So he just needs

797
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 3: to go out and have another dominant year and and

798
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 3: he could be a guy for us.

799
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: But but but yeah, certainly he got sticks out at

800
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: that level, you know.

801
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 4: And speaking of that level, I'm always curious because when

802
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 4: we were all together in Green Bay ron Wolf, we

803
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 4: talked about small schools guys, small school guys and how

804
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 4: they really have to stand out for you, what's that

805
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 4: criteria when you're looking at a small school guy thinking

806
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 4: about bringing him to the Senior Bowl. What are some

807
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 4: of the things that job and he checks off before

808
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 4: he gets to your game? If you do government invite, yeah, buck.

809
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: He's they just got to look different.

810
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: They just said, you got to put on the tape

811
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: and you don't You don't even you shouldn't know Jersey number,

812
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 3: you shouldn't know. I mean, just cut on the tape

813
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 3: and within five reps you should the guy should pop out,

814
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: kind of like Kyle Duggar did that a few years

815
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: ago at leonor Ryan. I mean that guy looked like

816
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: a man amongst boys. I mean we knew going in

817
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 3: he was six oh two to two two hundred and

818
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 3: twenty pounds.

819
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: But then you put on the tape and yeah, he

820
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: just he popped out. So you need to have that

821
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: stuff because here there're what what I try to tell

822
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: because we get called from from coaches and family members

823
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: and whatnot. And there is a diffference between being a

824
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: really good small school player and a pro prospect, right

825
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: and that, and to me.

826
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 3: I mean, that's I mean, if you're a great small

827
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: school player, that's awesome. Man, Like his parents, I would

828
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 3: be so proud if my son were a great small

829
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: school player. But you have to have the high weight, speed,

830
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 3: you have to have the physical traits to play at

831
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: that level. You can be a for example, like last year,

832
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: we had Carlton Marshall in our game. He was a

833
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: locomobile guy. Everyone down here wanted to see him. He

834
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: played at Troy University. He's the all time leading tackler

835
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 3: in college football history. He had like almost six hundred tackles.

836
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: But when we got in the spring, I mean he

837
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: was five oh seven something, he was two hundred and

838
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: six pounds and he ran four nine three at the

839
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: pro day. So he was a great college player. He'll

840
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 3: probably go in the College Football Hall of Fame. But

841
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: you have to have I mean, and you know, people

842
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 3: will bring up the Sam millses and the London Fletchers,

843
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 3: but man, that league is not made up of exceptions.

844
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: There is an exception every decade at a position. But

845
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 3: if you go you know, if we did that, if

846
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 3: we if we got away from kind of some high

847
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 3: weight speed standards here, you know, you'd have a game

848
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 3: full of exceptions. And that's not what the league wants

849
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 3: to see. And all we're trying to do is bring

850
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: the guys they want to see. So it does make

851
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: it hard. There's definitely a differentiation between good small school

852
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: player and legit.

853
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: Pro prospect, no doubt, Jim. As we as we get

854
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: towards the start of the college season, we got games

855
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: this week, what is gonna what's going to grab your

856
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: immediate attention? And I just be curious in the role

857
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: that you're in now. You obviously have a staff and

858
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: you've got your own personnel department, But what does the

859
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: start of the season look like for you on your schedule?

860
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: Well, the thing I'm most excited about is my son's

861
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 3: done playing high school football, So that's kind of tethered

862
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: me to mobile in the last two years watching him

863
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 3: on Friday night, so I can get out a little

864
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: more this week zero, I'm heading up Saturday to Jacksonville State,

865
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 3: which is about a four and a half hour drive

866
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 3: from here.

867
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 2: And they're playing They're playing UTEP.

868
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 3: They've got a quarterback, Davin Hardison, who I really want

869
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: to see. He's a guy that you guys know how

870
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: this happens too. I mean, you're watching tape on a guy.

871
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 3: We're watching tape of an Arizona receiver last summer named

872
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 3: Jacob Cowing, who is Yeah, so he's a uteb transfer.

873
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: So we're watching his cut up and this this quarterback

874
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: was just throwing throwing darts and I'm like, man, who

875
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 3: is this guys? And we looked, we googled him, looked

876
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: him up, like man, this guy's gonna be gonna be

877
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: a senior next year.

878
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 2: So he stayed in for another year.

879
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 3: I've heard he's got a draftable grade from from the

880
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: Combine Services too, which is which is cool. So I'm

881
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: gonna go up and watch him, and then you know,

882
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 3: we're gonna have scouts at all these big quarterback games.

883
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: I think if you, I know you guys have been

884
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: talking to your guys in the league too, they might

885
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: as well get like a wheels up or a net

886
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: jets and like station it in North Carolina on Saturday

887
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: for in Charlotte for that u n C South Carolina game.

888
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: Everyone's gonna be there to see Drake Man Rattler. Then

889
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: they're all flying to Orlando to see Jayden Daniels and

890
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: Jordan Travis in LSU Florida State. Then they're going back

891
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: to North Carolina to see Riley Leonard.

892
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: Play Clemson up at Duke on Monday night.

893
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, if you're if you're, if you're

894
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: a director level guy GM someone like that, I mean,

895
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 3: you can knock out five big time quarterbacks and in

896
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 3: the first weekend college football.

897
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: So that's uh, that's about as good as it gets.

898
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: That is great. Sounds like a fun weekend, sounds like

899
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: a busy weekend. But by the way, yeah, if you're

900
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: if you need a quarterback, you're gonna be in you know,

901
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: the ACC down there looking at that cluster of guys,

902
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: or you're gonna be you know, on the West coast.

903
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: And you know, I guess there's probably very few teams

904
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: after the first month of the season that a lot

905
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: of teams will be out of the coming to USC

906
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: game business. So they're going to probably then start their

907
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 1: West coast Trip's going to consist of the Northwest, where gosh,

908
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: that's there's a there's a good group of quarterbacks up there, man,

909
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: Bo Nicks. I don't know if I saw a player

910
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: more improved from what he was early in his career

911
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: to what we saw last year, uh than bow Knicks.

912
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: And you got Pennix who's had come on a phenomenal

913
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: year at Washington Ward up Washington State's not a bad player,

914
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean they were. They've got a good group of

915
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: quarterbacks out here, no question.

916
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 3: No, that's a that's a cool little pocket. I actually

917
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 3: might come up there and and do that swing. I mean,

918
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: to me, the most impressive thing about Bo guys. And

919
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: I'm probably more in tune with that because you know

920
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: he was he was down here at Auburn. He became

921
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: a whipping boy for that fan based down and he's

922
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 3: a home state guys from Birmingham, right, So I thought

923
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: the coolest part of what he did last year, the

924
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 3: most impressive thing he did last year was was really

925
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: get rid of some of the bad habits that that

926
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 3: started at Auburn. I mean, he was he wasn't playing

927
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: behind a great offensive line. Not to throw those guys

928
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: under the bus, but he wasn't playing with a lot

929
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: so he was trying to force things. A lot of

930
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: bad habits that way, both mechanically decision making and to

931
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 3: see what you see what they did last year at

932
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 3: Oregon to rain him in and in credit, all credit

933
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 3: goes to bow. I mean, he's the one that that

934
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: just he just played smarter football. He's always had the

935
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: physical tools, so he was. There was two guys for

936
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: us last year that at this time last year we

937
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 3: had an early Day three that kind of rose up

938
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 3: to b Day two by the end of the year

939
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 3: for US, and that was Bo Nix and Hennon Hooker.

940
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: You know, we had Hendon Hendon down here last year

941
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: with his ACL so that you know both starting the

942
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: year is our is our top guy. And then you know,

943
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: I thought Jayden Daniels last year was one of the

944
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 3: most improved players I saw as well at LSU.

945
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: So it is there's that pocket up there.

946
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 3: And then, like you said, in that acc area, you

947
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 3: got Brendan Armstrong going from Virginia North Carolina State. You've

948
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 3: got Devin Leary going from North Carolina State to Kentucky.

949
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: You've got Sam Hartman going from Wake to Notre Dame.

950
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: And there's just it's really weird, you got. I mean,

951
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: how many times have we seen all this.

952
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: Movement in a senior quarterback class that's really unsettled, Like

953
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: we don't know what these guys are truly, So it's

954
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: gonna be it's gonna make for a really fun fall.

955
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: So now I'm fire I'm fired up for it. Man Again,

956
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: for those listening or watching www dot Senior Bowl dot

957
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: com slash watch list, you can get the entire list. Jim,

958
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: when does this thing get whittled down to the point

959
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: where the first invite uh, you know, really gets in

960
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: the mail and gets locked in? Like when is that

961
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: first wave when you start issuing those invites?

962
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 3: Usually that first week in November guys. And well, we

963
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: won't go to like full roster limit. We'll have a

964
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: couple of big zoom meetings as a staff to go over.

965
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: We'll do web meetings one day on offense the other

966
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: day and defense, and they're long. Poor Bruce Feldman did

967
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: a story on it a couple of years ago, and

968
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: after two days he had twenty hours of Zoom calls

969
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: to transcribe. So it took him like three weeks to

970
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: push the story.

971
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 3: Out because all I mean it was exhaustive, but so

972
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: we'll do that and then but we'll save some spots

973
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 3: too because you guys seen it too. Guys get better

974
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,479
Speaker 3: in November, you know, guys, the new coaching staff comes

975
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: in or a player transferred and he really doesn't.

976
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: Click for him till that last month of the year.

977
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 3: So we want to leave some roster spots open for

978
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 3: those guys to finish out the year and see you

979
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 3: finishing up strong. So that that's kind of the same

980
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: timetable that that we'll use again this year around Halloween time.

981
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: That's great. Well again be on the lookout for that.

982
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: And because Jim does awesome job too, not only getting

983
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: this initial out there, but once these invites go out,

984
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: they have a cool way of doing it in terms

985
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 1: of the videos you'll be able to post and see

986
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: and you'll see the uh, the elation on some of

987
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: these kids' faces when they get this invite. It's a

988
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: big deal. I mean, you go through and look at

989
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: the rosters of this league. Every roster in the NFL

990
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: has Senior Bowl guys and some of them are the premier,

991
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: premier players at their position. So it's it's been the best,

992
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: the most prestigious all Star Game for a very long time.

993
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: Don't see that changing, especially with Jim at the helm

994
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: doing a great job. And man, we look forward to

995
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: having you on as we get a little bit more

996
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: into the fall, maybe in even a you know, just

997
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: to bring you on, just to you know, if you're

998
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: getting out now that you're out back scouting, you know,

999
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: we don't have to do that anymore. We're homebodies, we're

1000
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: house cats. You're out there doing the work. We might

1001
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: bring you on to get you get an opinion on

1002
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: some of these guys. You get out and see with

1003
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: your own eyes, so you are the best, buddy. We

1004
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: appreciate you. I know all the work you put into it.

1005
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: Everything you do is first class. And excited for these

1006
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: kids to get kicked off this weekend, man, big opportunities

1007
00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: for all these guys.

1008
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: Absolute no thanks, guys, buck DJ. I appreciate you guys

1009
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: everything you do to help us promote our game.

1010
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: And for those players that are going to watch list,

1011
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: I do want to say, like, guys, that's just the

1012
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: starting point, Like player butts off this fall, we'll be watching.

1013
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: You're not gonna slip through the cracks, I promise.

1014
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: So yeah, we're ready to get it and hopefully this

1015
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: fall we'll jump back on and talk to some of

1016
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 3: these guys once they start to us oettle themselves.

1017
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: But you guys, good luck with the starts of your

1018
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: NFL seasons.

1019
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: I know you guys got you guys wear multiple hats

1020
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: there so and buck with your high school team.

1021
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: Man, good luck, Thanks so.

1022
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 4: Much, Jam.

1023
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, mo Man, You're the best. JAM. Appreciate you, buddy.

1024
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: We'll be on. We'll be keeping in touch and look

1025
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: forward to football season. Man, we made it. Congratulations everybody.

1026
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: Hope you guys have enjoyed this one again. Senior Bowl

1027
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: dot Com slash watch list. You can find the list

1028
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: right there. That's gonna do it for us. Appreciate you

1029
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: guys hanging with us. We'll catch you next time right

1030
00:42:49,520 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: here on move the sticks. The sense of explet