1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Oh boy, it could happen here the podcast about it 2 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: and and happening and could Chris take us away? I'm 3 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: taking it away, Oh boy, I I think I promised 4 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: to um. So uh, this is this has been a 5 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: fun week so far. We're all kind of sitting through 6 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: that in that awkward period where we know the Supreme 7 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: Court is about to do some ship with Roe v. 8 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: Wade and that that's gonna light a whole bunch of 9 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: stuff on fire. Um, And so we're all waiting for that, 10 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: and we're all waiting for the big Pride Month demonstrations 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: in the wake of a shipload of um threats from 12 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: the right. Uh. And kind of in that awkward interstital period, 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: we got this this little burst this weekend of of 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: of happiness, of just of pure joy. Um. So obviously 15 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: we had covered a little earlier the Gundaleine rally and 16 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: Quarterline Idaho, which was a right wing kind of counter 17 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: rally to quarter Aline's regular local pride Um rally. Uh. 18 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: And you know it was a an event that the 19 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: the the the p R four ahead of time was 20 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: deeply unsettling or a lot of like threats and talk 21 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: about you know, let the fight start here and all 22 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: that stuff. A lot of people were worried about a massacre, 23 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: including us, because when you have a bunch of right 24 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: wingers saying that anyone queer is grooming kids and it's 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: time to shoot them, it's reasonable to be worried about 26 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: a massacre. Um. Now, what we did see on the day, 27 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: and this is something you'll note a lot of times 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: when you get the events where there's a lot of 29 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: threats around them, that's what kind of provokes enough attention, 30 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: um and enough of a state response that that it's 31 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,919 Speaker 1: not where people try to ship. You know, it's often 32 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: kind of at the edges of events or the events 33 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: that uh, people don't take seriously enough ahead of time 34 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: that like things go to ship. You know. Charlottesville would 35 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: be a great example because prior to Charlottesville, there was 36 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: a lot of like discussion about how big it was 37 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: going to be in the city, you know, did not 38 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: really take it seriously. There were a number of and 39 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: this is one of the things that's frustrating the fucking 40 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: mayor of Charlotte'sville is after what happened in Quarterline and stuff, 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: has been like on the news talking to people about 42 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: how to how to avoid demonstrations going badly and ship 43 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: which like that. You know, he received a lot of 44 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: warnings from anti fascists about how many people with you know, 45 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: pending violent charges were going to be at Unite the 46 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: Right in Charlottesville, and how many threats were going on. 47 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: It was kind of ignored and as a result it 48 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: got really fucking ugly, UM, because you know, you had 49 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: smaller numbers is on the on the first night, you know, 50 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: when people got surrounded by that torchlit mob, you had 51 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: smaller numbers of anti fascists, um, outnumbered by fascists, and uh, 52 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: no real counter to them until you know, the next day, 53 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: and obviously that's the day that that that James Alex 54 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: Fields drove a car into a crowd. UM. And that 55 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: kind of starts our story today because the thing that 56 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: was the bright ray of sunlight in in the midst 57 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: of what has been a pretty rough couple of weeks 58 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,839 Speaker 1: news wise, was thirty one members of the hate group 59 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: Patriot Front getting arrested in Quarterline, Idaho, jammed into the 60 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: back of a U haul. Um. The story of Patriot 61 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 1: Front and the story of how that that beautiful moment happened, UM, 62 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:36,279 Speaker 1: starts in Charlottesville in two seventeen. Actually it starts significantly 63 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: before that in Texas. But uh, the group that becomes 64 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: Patriot Front starts as a group called Vanguard America UM. 65 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: And Vanguard America is one of the groups that is 66 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: responsible for kind of carrying out the the Unite the 67 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: Right rally. And this is this is a different group 68 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: than American Vanguard. Right. Uh wait, let me double check here, 69 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: because sorry, they all use such similar names. UM. If 70 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, there is an American Vanguard. UM. There's 71 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: also the American Vanguard Corporation. Uh no, no, no, I 72 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: think it's UM. American Guard. American Guard is the group 73 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: that UM isn't a kind of more coming out of 74 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: the KKK's sphere orbit because some of them are former clansmen. 75 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: That's another story for another day. UM. So you've got 76 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: Vanguard America. They're one of the group's kind of behind 77 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: bringing a lot of people, a lot of fascists, shouldn't 78 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: call them people to UM Charlottesville in two thousand and seventeen, 79 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: James alex Field is marching with them and carrying one 80 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: of their shields. Earlier in the day before he carries 81 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: out his car attack, and as a result of the 82 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: bad press that him murdering a woman in in maiming 83 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: a bunch of people with his car in a terrorist 84 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: attack brings down Um. The leader of Vanguard America, Thomas 85 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: Rousseau uh splits off like kind of inns Van Guard 86 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: America and spins it off into Patriot Front, which is 87 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: less explicitly just as fascist, but less branded as fascist, 88 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: more kind of branded in Americana. They all of their 89 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: pr and all of their like images look like rejected 90 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: stills from a bioshot game. Yeah, it's it's it's pretty amazing. 91 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Yeah, these are the guys are like 92 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: that there there's a video of them like talking like 93 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: like like they're literally they go like on camera it's like, 94 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: oh yeah, we're doing America stuff. We don't we're not 95 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: hitler people. And then like the build the boat with 96 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: the camera turns off there like oh good, the camera's off. 97 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: We can say say kale now, Yeah, it's it's great. 98 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: I mean Van Guard America's logo was literally like an 99 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: eagle carrying a bundle of fascis. Yeah, they're not not subtle, um, 100 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: and I should say Van Guard America. I think was 101 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: actually founded by another guy in in California, but um, 102 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: Thomas Rousseau was was pretty quickly prominence in there, and 103 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: he splinters off into into Patriot Front. I need to 104 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: be specific because there's people listening who will yell at 105 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: me forgetting that wrong. Um. So, for the purpose of 106 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: of what we're talking about today, if we should chat 107 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: about Thomas Rousseau um before we get into some of 108 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: the funnier stuff, because he's got a really interesting background 109 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: for a fascist. So in the last couple of years 110 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: since Patriot Front became a thing, Rousseau has held a 111 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: number of kind of like flash demonstrations where they'll get 112 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: a few dozen Patriot Front guys together and they'll march 113 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: around in their fucking gators, in their their little fascist 114 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: uniforms that are like, um, I don't know, they look 115 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: like country club Nazis, is like the way they prefer 116 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: to dress. Um, And they'll carry their shields and they'll 117 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: you know, film propaganda videos. Most of what they do 118 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: is hand out like put out stickers, put out other 119 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: kinds of propaganda to the extent that like they are 120 00:06:55,200 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: probably the primary national purveyors of of Nazi propping anda 121 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: um in like the real world, like in terms of 122 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: stuff that actually gets put out where people can see it. Um. 123 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: There I've found like stickers from them and just like 124 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: random places in Chicago. Yeah, yeah, I've seen a couple 125 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: of them. Like two nineteen, Patriot Front was and this 126 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: is the A d l S estimates, so they're not 127 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: the most accurate they could be, but also no one 128 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: else is really keeping track of this, so I'll say 129 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: they're probably broadly correct. Um. The in twos nineteen, the 130 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: A d L listed Patriot Front is responsible for eight 131 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: percent of all propaganda incidents nationally of like Nazi type groups. Um. 132 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: And then in that number doubled um and they were 133 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: responsible for like ninety plus. I think sometimes you'll hear 134 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: ninety two of like the Nazi propaganda distributed nationwide. UM. 135 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: They're propaganda efforts are most active in Texas, Washington, California, Massachusetts, 136 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: New York, and Virginia. UM. And it's one of those things. 137 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: This is not the goal with the propaganda is for 138 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: them to be seen as very large and influential. The 139 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: way that they managed to do it is that Patriot 140 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: Front is effectively like a key para social relationship for 141 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: most of the people in it, right, it's a series 142 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: of like chats and and and discords and whatnot, and 143 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: these people like come to feel like it's their community. 144 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: And one of the things Rusto did that was very 145 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: smart is if you want to stay a member of 146 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: Patriot Front, you will get banned and purged from the 147 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: organization if you are not regularly posting proof that you're 148 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: active in the real world. And the easiest way to 149 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: do that is by putting up stickers. Right. So that's 150 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: not only how they fund some of their operations, because 151 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: you know their guys are buying stickers, but um, that's 152 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: how you keep people engaged. If you want to like 153 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: stay in the clubhouse with your friends, you have to 154 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: go put up stickers every couple of weeks or every 155 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: so often. And you know, when you have a couple 156 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: of hundred people doing that. Stickers are not that expensive. 157 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: You can get a lot of propaganda out that way. 158 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: And so Rousseau has been very successful in in that 159 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: end of things. So let's chat about him a little bit. 160 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: He is he was born in nine so he's twenty 161 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 1: four ish right now. Um, he grew up where I did. 162 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: He comes from the suburbs of Dallas, the metroplex specifically Kapel. 163 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: And if you're not if you don't know much about 164 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: the d f W suburbs. So Dallas sizeable city about 165 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: four million people last I checked, um, and then you've 166 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: got these these suburbs that are millions more and it's 167 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: it's effectively DFW is kind of this megalopolis, Like it's 168 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: this massive, sprawling city, larger than several states, and it's 169 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: geographical area. At some point in the future, assuming growth continues, 170 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: you're going to see like all of the big cities 171 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: in Texas merge and when they're metro plexus start to mingle. Um. 172 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: But these these these Texas suburbs are all laid out 173 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: very orderly and kids they were all they're all like 174 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: planned communities, um. And in the area around like this 175 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: particular chunk around Dallas, they're all pretty wealthy. And of 176 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: these wealthy suburbs, Coppel is like where the money money is. 177 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: Like like coming up in plan Oh, which is was 178 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: a fairly well off suburb, we would like the Copell 179 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: kids were like the rich kids, right, Like when we 180 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: would compete against them in football and speech debate, like 181 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: that you'd feel like, yeah, we're like funking with the 182 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: rich kids. Let's get them. So this is this is 183 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: this is this is like this is like this is 184 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: like uh Dallas fort worst like Evanston, I assume so yes, um. 185 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: And when we would like obviously like yeah they were 186 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: the rich kids, they were also like the kids I 187 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: would often get drugs from when I was like nineteen 188 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: because they had like they had they had good drugs, 189 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: you know. UM. So the other thing you should know 190 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: about and Capella is where you know, um, our boy 191 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: Thomas Rousseau grows up in the early two thousand's and 192 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: in fact, his senior year is the year of the election. UM. 193 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: And another thing you should know about Kapell is that, 194 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: like all the Dallas metroplex, it's incredibly diverse. And it's also, 195 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: I should know, incredibly diverse in a specific way. It's 196 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: not hugely economically diverse, um, but it is has a 197 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: massive population of people from Southeast Asia, UM, from India, 198 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: from Vietnam, from China, UM, and from Japan UM. And 199 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: the you can kind of see that if you look 200 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: at so Thomas Rousseau as a kid works for the 201 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: Coppell High school newspaper, the Sidekick, and if you if 202 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: you go to the Sidekicks website today and if you 203 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: look at its writers and its editorial staff, it is 204 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: a bunch of kids from Southeast Asia. Now, Thomas Russeau 205 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: is extremely white, um, and he has, you know, his 206 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: big things like replacement theory. He's been yelling about this 207 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: for a very long time, UM, and so one kind 208 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: of assumes this is probably w air. He started feeling that. Um. 209 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: Although it's interesting if you look up, like one of 210 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: the earliest articles the SPLC has a pretty pretty good 211 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: profile on him and back kind of at the start 212 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: of UM. In February he wrote, write this article about 213 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: the school's diversity club, which is just a pretty normal 214 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: you would not there's no signs in there, not that 215 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: I saw that, Like he's going to be a Nazi 216 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: in about a year. Like it's just it's how like 217 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: basically anybody who was writing a straight piece of reporting 218 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: on a diversity club would write it. You know, It's 219 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: not like there's no signs in that article. You know, 220 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: it's just because like the next article he writes is 221 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: like completely off the rails. Yeah, Like it's it's Trump 222 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: is at that point, because you know, February, Trump is 223 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: still like I don't know, he's definitely becoming the front runner, 224 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: but it's not clear what's going to happen yet. And 225 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: by the time he writes his next article a couple 226 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: in like October, it's uh, full on trumpy. Yeah, he's like, 227 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: I mean, he's like but by that point, like he 228 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: started his great replacement stuff. He started like, I mean, 229 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: he's doing that kind of like the the white working 230 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: class has been like oppressed for too long and people 231 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: keep calling them bracest and so they're voting for Trump 232 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: now because they're simultaneously poor but also like but but 233 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. It's like, you know, it's it's 234 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: an interesting sign of that kind of like what actually 235 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: generates that kind of right wing populism because it's like, 236 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: so you have you have someone who's like going fascist 237 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: really quickly writing this, and it's like, oh, where is 238 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: he from? A weight He's like just from like the 239 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: incredible rich kid place. It's like it's it's it's it's 240 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: it's fun he's doing. Yeah, he's he's doing this sort 241 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: of fascist version of the like working class whispering that 242 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: you kind of like rich Pundit's doing and it's one 243 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: of the things the kind of black box Mr reads 244 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: with Rousseau that I haven't seen a great is like 245 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: when when does the actual switch flip in his head? 246 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: Like when he writes that article about the school diversity club. 247 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: Is he already a fascist um or is he one 248 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: of these people who like is kind of conservative and 249 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: gets super radicalized by Trump because he had you see 250 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: throughout kind of because I get the feeling from him 251 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: that he was always kind of like the conservative kid 252 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: in his school paper in school media, and like you 253 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: get you see, like he's writing, like the month after 254 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: that diversity club article, he writes h an article about 255 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: campus kerry and is like supporting concealed carry on college 256 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: campuses and is pretty like uh, but it's also these 257 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: are also like kind of it's also kind of a 258 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: milk toast conservative take, Like it's not he's not like 259 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: making an explicitly fascist argument. He's making the kind of 260 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: arguments that like I would have made in speech and 261 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: too eight class as a conservative kid in North Texas 262 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: when I was a senior. You see, like in May, 263 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: he he's writing an article about like bathroom bills and stuff. 264 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: That's that's getting closer to kind of modern American fascist rhetoric. 265 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: And then of course by like October he's he's fully 266 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: on the Trump train. Um. And he actually has a 267 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: removed opinion column after the election about like the silent majority, 268 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: where he says, quote, the truth is, white voters, especially 269 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: the working class, have had more than enough of being 270 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: called racist, sexist, xenophobic, islamophobic, homophobic, and the rest of 271 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: the usual trite buzzwords. The forgotten majority of the American 272 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: electorate has shown that much to the dismay of the 273 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: globalist agenda, that they have not yet been replaced by 274 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: tens of millions of blue voting immigrants from abroad. And 275 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: it's again, you can kind of there's a debate as 276 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: to whether you can, I guess argue as to whether 277 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: or not he had always been sort of a fascist 278 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: and just felt like more comfortable as the year went 279 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,359 Speaker 1: on being open about it, or if he's getting radicalized. 280 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: I feel like he's kind of getting radical. I can 281 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: see I can see in him like shades of everyone 282 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: that I knew back then at that point in time 283 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: in my life in me, like well, and this reminds. So, 284 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: so I was I'm like a year older than he is, right, 285 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: So I I I was out of high school by sixteen, 286 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: but like I you know, i'd like I just graduated 287 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: right like a good fifteen And I remember this with 288 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: like people with people that I knew who were like 289 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: because I mean, like okay, like what there were always 290 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: people who were like really really like like we had 291 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: a lot of like Fox News pilled like kill all 292 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: the Muslims kids, But there are also people who like 293 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: weren't like that, who were just like conservatives, and over 294 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: the course of sixteen like they went really really like 295 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: they radicalized really quickly. So it wouldn't surprise me if 296 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: he's doing the same thing, because I think that was 297 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: a lot of like, like I watched a lot of 298 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: sort of like more majority people get like who were 299 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: kind of like on who weren't on the like absolute 300 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: like right wing, like I don't know, like who weren't 301 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: on the absolutely hard right of that thing, who were 302 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: kind of like conservative, but you know, like weren't actively 303 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: invested in murdering every gapers. And yeah, those people just 304 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: like a switch flipped and they like they just kind 305 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: of went syco mode. Yeah, and that's that's where he goes. 306 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: He goes like full on and I don't know you can. 307 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: It's interesting because like his his primary job for the 308 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: sidekick the Cupell High School student newspaper is as like 309 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: their their political cartoonist, and he's he's mostly doing like 310 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: really basic like clip art ship, which is what you 311 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: see him doing for like Patriot Front. It's kind of 312 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: the thing that distinguishes them is his like art style, 313 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: UM and the propaganda he makes. So you know, he's 314 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: there at Unite the Right in one of the guys 315 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: he's there with commits a terrorist attack. They spent off 316 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: Patriot Front and for the next few years, most of 317 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: what they'll do is these events where they'll like show 318 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: up and they'll march. Um. It's worth noting that while 319 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: they bring different kinds of weapons to these events, mainly 320 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: lie you know, bludgeoning weapons, the kind of things you'd 321 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: have for like a street fight, UM and shields, these 322 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: are not primarily violent events, and that like their goal 323 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: is not to get into a fight. I think mainly 324 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: not because they're not violent people, because they're scared of 325 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: getting into a fight. UM. And Rousseau's probably scared of 326 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: getting in trouble for having a bunch of people show 327 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: up to riot. So most of what they do is 328 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: they'll do these flash mobs while there. They'll get like 329 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of people together in the middle of the 330 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: night or like on a day when nobody expects it, 331 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: and they'll march around d C or something, and then 332 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: they'll get footage of themselves doing this march where you know, 333 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: they can kind of uh take care to make sure 334 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: the angles make them look as impressive as possible, and 335 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: then they'll put that up to try and get more members, 336 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: um so that they can put up more propaganda. Right, 337 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: they've had a couple of well publicized failures. They showed 338 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: up in Philadelphia. This was last year, right, and they 339 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: again there's like thirty and fifty of them. They all 340 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: like pilot of a U haul. They're marching is like 341 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: in their fascist uniforms, and like three dudes confront them 342 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: and that wreck fit like three Philly guys just wreck 343 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: their ships. So funny I ever seeing feeling. I think 344 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: it was from that. We're just like there's like there's 345 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: a video, it's it's just them running away and there's 346 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: like there's like objects flying through the air, you know, 347 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: like their frontest little army confronts, like three random Philly 348 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: We're just like, oh, this isn't any good. I don't 349 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: know who these guys are, but there's no way this 350 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: is good. Come up, Um, it's a it's a perfect 351 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: Philly moment um. So yeah, and like that is their 352 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: m o UM. And in part because one thing you 353 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: have to and I people can misinterpret what I'm saying here. 354 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: They're probably the most disciplined of the fascist groups that 355 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: do regular in person events UM because there's a lot 356 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: of discipline required in getting several dozen people together, getting 357 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: them all to the area in the exact same mode 358 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: of transport together. That's why they all pile into u 359 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: Hall's right. Roussou doesn't want to coordinate a big caravan um. 360 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: That would be messy. People would be arriving at different times, 361 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 1: people would get lost or get stuck in traffic. He 362 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: wants everyone together because he's again he's a fascist. So 363 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: they're they're really um, and they are are pretty consistent 364 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: and pretty good at getting everyone together and marching at 365 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: the same time. So like on a logistic end, there's 366 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: some things they do that are are competent, you know, 367 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: um generally speaking. Now, the downside of this plan I've 368 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: just talked about like why getting everyone in a U 369 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: hall can work and how it has worked for them 370 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: in the past. The downside of this is that everyone 371 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: is in a U hall together. I mean I think 372 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: I think for them there there's there. I think that 373 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: there's some upside like for them doing this, which is 374 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: that like I think on a sort of like on 375 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: like a discipline level, and on level of like building 376 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: this like like build building this sort of like culture 377 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: of like like community and like solidarity. But like the 378 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: fascist version of it is like, yeah, you have everyone's 379 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: suffering together in the back of a U haul, which 380 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: is hot as shit and like has to smell like 381 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 1: like like like death, Like like yeah, it's like like 382 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 1: imagine the worst locker room you've ever been in. But 383 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: then it's been it's every everyone has been trapped in 384 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: there for a week. It's like, yeah, it's a it's 385 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: a hot air balloon powered by Nazi farts, like that's 386 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: that's what's going on there. And they're all just like 387 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: and it's it's very funny because like when they had 388 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: done their last event or two and like this is 389 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: like in the dead of winter in the East Coast 390 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: that they do a couple of events and they have 391 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: people like nearly passing out from heat stroke in the 392 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: back of the van. Yeah. Um, in the back of 393 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: the U haul because like it's not great to be 394 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: scrapped in the back of you people. It's like, um, 395 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: it sucks. But also like that that suffering sort of 396 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: like brings them together and makes them sort of like sure, 397 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: like yeah in a lot of ways, which sucks, but 398 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: also yeah, the second modistical problem with this, I think 399 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: you're about to get to. Yeah, So they try to 400 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: Rousseau actually puts out specific like information about like hey, 401 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: here's how we need to prep for being crammed and 402 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: do a U haul together, and like advises that his 403 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: dudes start um uh spending time in saunas and ship 404 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: in order to like toughen themselves up to avoid getting 405 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: heat syncope. Um. Anyway, there's a couple other things that 406 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: are happening. One of the things that we we know 407 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: because one of the funny things about Patriot Front, so 408 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: they claim to have an intense vetting process. You know, 409 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: you're supposed to like message them with an application and 410 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: then they they'll vet you before they let you into 411 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: the chat rooms. They have been compromised since the day 412 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: there started being a patriot Yeah, I don't think there 413 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: is a moment of the time that they have existed 414 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: that I haven't known multiple people who had logs of 415 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: every conversation. Like they're so infiltrated. It is extreme, Like 416 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: it's like it's like the training wheels of anti fascist research, 417 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: just like get into Patriot Fronts chat rooms, Like there's 418 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: always multiple people in their documenting their ship. It's extremely funny. Um. 419 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: And so because of that we know a number of 420 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: their tactics. One of the things that Rousseau has admitted 421 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: to doing in the past is that like, well, when 422 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: we start like heading towards wherever we're gonna, you know, 423 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: pile out of the thing in march, we'll call the 424 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: cops and will inform them that we've seen a group 425 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: of people with shields getting ready to march and that 426 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: they don't seem to have weapons, but they're about to 427 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: be an x area. And they do this so that 428 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: there will be cops on scene who will provide like 429 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: an escort for them, right, so that they won't get 430 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: beaten up. Um, Like they want the cops to be 431 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: there to protect them, you know. Um, So Rousseau is 432 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: like specifically bragged about doing this in the past. There's also, like, 433 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: as I stated, like the or as an organization, there 434 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: are are not geared towards like killing people, right, Like 435 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: they're not they're doing these marches to get videos. They're 436 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: not like they're not even like the Proud Boys where 437 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: they're specifically showing up to get into a brawl, right 438 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: and every time they do get into brawls, they look 439 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: very uncomfortable and frightened in them, um, which is why 440 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: he liked calls for police escorts and ship. Um. That said, 441 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: there there are like again, they're a Nazi organization. They 442 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: specifically preach replacement theory and yelled at their ancestors conquered 443 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: America and so they deserve to own and all this ship. 444 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: So a bunch of them have been arrested for like 445 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: guns stuff. There's been a number of like people of 446 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: Patriot Front members arrested for like illegal machine guns and 447 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: ship like that. That absolutely happens. People post about their 448 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: illegal guns and stuff. Um, But as an organization, they're 449 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: mainly geared towards providing like propaganda uh that Thomas Rousseau likes. 450 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: So they all gathered together and are heading into Quarterline, 451 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: Idaho to confront the and I suspect their goal. I 452 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: suspect their Russeau's hope for how this was going to 453 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: go was they were going to pile out of their 454 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: U haul, going to get their thirty ish guys all 455 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,239 Speaker 1: in lines together in their uniforms with their shields and 456 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: with their their fucking fascist sticks or whatever, um, and 457 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: they're going to march through the middle of the pride 458 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: gathering and and they get video of people like scattering 459 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: or backing away from in front of them, not wanting 460 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: to confront them because you know, there was a big 461 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: group of them. I think that was the hope. I'm 462 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: sure Rousseau was like, Hey, and maybe some ANTIFO will 463 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: try to fight and we'll get some videos of us 464 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: like fighting them with shields and that'll be good for recruitment. Um. 465 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: But I think the main goal was to get a 466 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: video of them scaring gay kids um and and looking 467 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: like a big scary nazi FEI links that they could 468 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: use as propaganda. UM. Now this goes to ship before 469 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: they even get out of the U hall, because somebody 470 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: calls the police and reports what looks like a little 471 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: army of guys with weapons and shields piling into a 472 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: U haul. And again the police are saying that this 473 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: was a concerned citizen and it based on the kind 474 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: of most recent reporting, it may just be a random 475 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: citizen of Quarterline who actually like was for understandable reasons, right, 476 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: if you like see this happen, you're like, yeah, maybe 477 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: I should might need to call somebody about this. Yeah, Um, 478 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: I wouldn't call the cops necessarily, but you know, in 479 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: this case, it seems to have worked out that said, 480 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,239 Speaker 1: knowing their background, you have to acknowledge the possibility that 481 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: they that it was one of them who called the police. 482 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: Not impossible. Um, now there's initially reports that it was 483 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 1: the FEDS reports, I uhould say from the cops on 484 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: the scene. And again it's reasonable that journalists overhearing that 485 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: recording it would report on it that said cops on 486 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: the scene are no more accurate about what actually has 487 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: happened than like random passers by, and they're more likely 488 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: just openly lie. And and you know, I I would 489 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: not I'm certain there's a FED or or four inside 490 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: Patriot Front that said, it doesn't seem like this was 491 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: a FED bust, although I you know, it's not impossible 492 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: that it was, because if you were the FEDS and 493 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: you had a guy in here and you decided you 494 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: want to arrest these people to avoid a potential Charlottesville 495 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: kind of situation happening again, UM, maybe you would want 496 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: to just say it was like a random person who 497 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,719 Speaker 1: called I don't know, this does not there's no reason 498 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: that this needed to be a FED bust. They were 499 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: not like, this did not require the FBI's infiltration capability 500 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: to deal with. Like it it was a bunch of 501 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: Nazis piling into a U haul. I don't have trouble 502 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: believing that some dude was just like, hey, hey, cops, 503 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: and it's There's been a lot of like surprise online 504 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: that like, the cops did their job, but they went 505 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: after these people. I think the surprise there is kind 506 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: of based on some misconceptions, and these are misconceptions kind 507 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: of pushed in part by the fact that over the 508 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: last few years, when we have seen fascist groups rally 509 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: in place is like Portland, UM or like Charlottesville, UM, 510 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: for the Unite the Right rally. The cops tend to 511 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: be on their side and tend to protect them. Um, 512 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: but what you're looking at are two different things in 513 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Because the cops in a place 514 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: like Portland, and I assume in a place like Charlottesville, 515 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: I'm not as familiar with their police demographics, but I 516 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: know this is the case in Portland don't live in Portland. 517 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: They live in places like Battleground, Washington. You know. Um, 518 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: they live in these these these surrounding more rural and 519 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: suburban communities, and they don't like the city that they police, 520 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: and they kind of see them as an enemy. So 521 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: when other people generally from similar suburbs and rural communities 522 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: as the cops, show up to fight the kids that 523 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: Portland cops don't like, um, the Portland cops are going 524 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: to be on the side of that. And this is 525 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: again you see versions of this occur around the country. 526 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: In quart Aline, this was not like Quartline cops live 527 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: in cort Aline, you know, like they they're from that community. 528 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: And even if I'm sure a number of them, if 529 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: not many or most of them have like attitudes towards 530 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, have said some negative things about gay people. 531 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: These are also like they're probably some of them are 532 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: probably related to people with that pride rally. Um this 533 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: is and in general these are like there's they are 534 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: probably seeing this as like, well, whatever I think about pride. 535 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: These are people who live in cort Aline and a 536 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: bunch of folks from outside of the state are driving 537 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: into funk with them. They're not generally going to be 538 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: on board with that. And as a general rule, also, 539 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: cops don't like people coming in to their town like 540 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: home to cause trouble. And these are people from like 541 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: eleven different states entering Idaho to like funk with people 542 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: who live in Idaho. I'm not surprised that the police 543 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: actually did something here. Um. It doesn't like mean that 544 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: these are the good cops that were mythically all looking for. 545 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: It just means that like nobody wants this happening in 546 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: their hometown, Like nobody nobody wants these assholes running into 547 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: town dressed as like little Hitler youth guys and marching 548 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: around like that's like of course they don't want that. 549 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: Who would. Um, So the cops pull over this fucking 550 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: u haul. Um there's the footage of it is some 551 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: of the funniest ship on the space of the Earth. 552 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: It's so good because they just roll up the back 553 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: of this thing. There's like some fucking quarterline cop with 554 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: an a R like pointed in there, and there's just 555 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: all these fucking goober Nazis and they're they're fucking Polos 556 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: and Khakis and they're fascist gators. Um god, it's good. 557 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: I look up this footage. If you can find you, 558 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: you owe yourself to do this. It's amazing. We should 559 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: state we're not really We'll be getting more coverage to 560 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: what happens and what happened elsewhere on this day. You 561 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: had a lot of ugly ship happened to stay in 562 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: quarterline because there are a lot of heavily armed fascists 563 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: rallying who are in many cases locals or from nearby 564 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: places like Spokane. Um Matt Shay, who is a former 565 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: state legislator from Washington who lives nearby, who is a 566 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: accused domestic terrorist, leads a march through Quardline. These guys 567 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: are not stopped by the cops right in part because 568 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: like they're not a bunch of dudes from out of 569 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: state showing up to march around in ridiculous Nazi uniforms. Right. 570 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: The police are notably less concerned about the guys in 571 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: a R fifteen and plate carriers than they are about 572 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: Patriot Front, which is again it's because of like what's 573 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: actually going on here, you know, Um, but there are 574 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: like armed people fright like threatening and and trying to 575 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: confront or at least standing around outside of a Pride 576 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: march in a way that you know, if you're doing 577 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: that with a bunch of guns, that's concerning. Anti fascists 578 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: show up to protest them and very successfully kind of 579 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: keep a wall between the folks showing up for Pride 580 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: and the folks rallying with guns. Um. So that that 581 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: is a thing that is happening. I don't want to 582 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: This has been the thing that has kind of like 583 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: gotten the most attention from Quarterly, and I don't think 584 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: that's bad, like from a standpoint of like what is 585 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: useful Seeing a bunch of Nazis get their ship like 586 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: wrecked is definitely an ideal takeaway from the Quarterline event because, 587 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: especially considering the amount of violence I think we were 588 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: all worried might occur there. I'm very happy that the 589 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: primary takeaway is Patriot Front all got arrested. Um, But 590 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: the things that we were concerned about there again, there's 591 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes show up with guns to stare 592 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: at a Pride rally. That's not a not a positive development. 593 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: But this group of Nazis all get arrested, and that 594 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: is positive because it's extremely funny and sometimes it's nice 595 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: for things to just be funny. Um. So the next 596 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: kind of thing you see from Patriot Front is them 597 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: all pulled out of a U haul on their knees, handcuffed, 598 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: getting arrested one by one, uh and taken to a 599 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: jail and quarterlyin there's some very funny quotes where like 600 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: the police are being asked do you even have room 601 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: for all these people? And they're like, oh, we'll figure 602 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: it out. Like, don't worry. It's um rousseau and a 603 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: bunch of guys are in getting criminal conspiracy charges. Um. 604 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: They're all getting conspiracy to riot, which is a misdemeanor. 605 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: There's some rumors that a journalist posted that a number 606 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: of them have illegal had illegal guns and they're getting 607 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: illegal gun charges. I haven't seen confirmation about that. I'd 608 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: be shocked if some of them were not carrying guns 609 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,959 Speaker 1: in the state of Idaho. Anybody can right. UM. I 610 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: do think they were specifically violating the law by having 611 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: firearms while sitting in the bocket back of a box truck, 612 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: because I think, for like reasons of accidents that have 613 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: happened hunting, you're not supposed to do that in Idaho. UM. 614 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: But I haven't seen charges as a result of that. Um. 615 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: It's debatable as to what's going to stick. However, there's 616 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: reasons to kind of suspect that something will because they 617 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: had like seven or whatever page plan for how to 618 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: handle the like they had their little riot notes, oh 619 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: god plan like sticks and a smoke bomb and stuff. 620 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: So it's not like an impossible case to convict them. 621 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: I will say, you know, like, you're not You're not 622 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: asking like the moon of the police in this instance, 623 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: to like or of the prosecutors or whatever to be 624 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: able to actually convict um. So we'll see what happens. Um. 625 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: What's definitely happening is that this is very funny. Um. 626 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: Patriot Front is extremely incompetent. I would not take this 627 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: as a broader sign that, like number one, the police 628 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: are taking threats against Pride rallies. More seriously, no, Um, 629 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: I would not take this as a broader sign that 630 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,439 Speaker 1: like fascists are are are getting heavily stopped. I also 631 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't There's also been people saying that like and again 632 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: this is coming from that journalists who claimed that, like 633 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of gun charges pending, and maybe there are, 634 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 1: but like, I think the comment she made was like 635 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: a massacre was averted. I do not believe Patriot Front 636 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 1: was planning to massacre anybody. There's That's just that's not 637 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: their m o. That's not like again, not that they're 638 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: not Nazis, not that they don't want people dead, but 639 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: like they're like, these guys are like the milk toastest 640 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: baby ist Nazis. Right, they show up and they march 641 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: around in their fucking like Tommy hill Figer Nazi uniforms. 642 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: You know, like they're not these are not folks planning 643 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: in an organized capacity to commit acts of mass violence. Um, 644 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: because that would be scary to them because they're mostly 645 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: like suburban middle class kids. Um. One of the funniest 646 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: things that has come out of this is like one 647 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 1: of the Nazis who get arrested in Idaho's mom has 648 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: started doing the news because she's like, I kicked him 649 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: out of the house. I keep trying to get him 650 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: to I don't know what to do to get him 651 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 1: out of this group. So I've told him he can't 652 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 1: live with me anymore because after his divorce, he's been 653 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: living with me. Um, and I'm going to talk to 654 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: the media about the fact that my son is a 655 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: stupid Nazi until he stops being one. I don't know 656 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: what else to do. And it does sound like she's 657 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: really legitimately like trying to grapple with like I don't 658 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: know why he's doing this. I don't know how to 659 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: stop it, but like it seems like the best thing 660 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 1: I can do is embarrass him. Um, which is I 661 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: think probably a good move on her part. Yeah. Um, 662 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: there's a fun Daily Beast article about that. You could 663 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: really hear her frustrations. Liken't know why he's doing this, 664 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: like it all started around. It's very frustrating you feel 665 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,720 Speaker 1: for her. So I don't know, Chris, you got anything 666 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: else to say about Patriot Front. I I do think 667 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: it's extremely funny that, like, well, I don't I don't know. 668 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: In some sense, it's funny and some sense, it's kind 669 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: of disturbing, which is that like the rights reaction to 670 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 1: this was immediately to accuse all of him and being Feds. Yeah, 671 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean, which, like it's interesting to me that, like 672 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,879 Speaker 1: that's just like anytime something happens in the US now, 673 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: like and this is this is across almost the entire 674 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: political spectrum, everyone immediately goes, this was the Feds or 675 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: so sometime sometimes sometimes you get it was rush because 676 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: sometimes you yeah, because it's like if you're someone trough, 677 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: like the Feds are the good guys, it's like, well, 678 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: you need another person who did all those So like 679 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: that's disturbing and kind of grim to me that it's 680 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 1: it's literally everyone with everything has just turned into Alex Jones, 681 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, you know, I think the motivation 682 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 1: for that on all the sides, there's definitely like a 683 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: core of legitimate belief that because the Feds infiltrating the 684 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: FEDS have infiltrated a lot of fascist groups, and the 685 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: Feds have you know, had a history of infiltrating left 686 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: wing groups and whatnot, Like the Feds have done a 687 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: lot of this stuff. So that makes some people paranoid. 688 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: But also I think if you are on the grifter 689 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,760 Speaker 1: end of things, right, and you want to talk about 690 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,879 Speaker 1: this stuff, but you don't actually want uh to put 691 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: yourself at risk, Um, that's an easy way to kind 692 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: of divorce your listeners and supporters and stuff from the 693 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: stuff that's potentially illegal is by saying, well, that's all 694 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: the Feds. Um. Yeah. And I think also especially like 695 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: I think people are I don't know, it's more frustrating 696 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: on the left because people do it with stuff that 697 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: like the PR is actually pretty good. But like with 698 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: people on the right, there's a lot of like this 699 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,760 Speaker 1: has become one of their sort of like pr management 700 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: things of like anytime something looks bad for them, no, 701 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: it was the FEDS, and it's like no. And I 702 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: don't think that's on the right at least I think 703 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: it's there. I think there's more legitimate belief that it's 704 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: the FEDS on folks in the left to do this. Yeah. 705 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: I think on the right it is nearly always just 706 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: like this is how you do damage control, Like this 707 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: is how we this is how we distract from the 708 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 1: fact that our guys keep carrying out attacks or whatever, 709 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: or in this case that our our dudes are profoundly embarrassing. Yeah, 710 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: um is you is You're like no, that was the 711 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: FBI packing thirty federal agents into the back of a 712 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: U hall and getting arrested by the cord Aline police. 713 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: A classic FBI if I've ever seen what my favorite 714 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: one of the people who are like, you're never going 715 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: to see the names of any of these people. Like 716 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: literally two hours later, every single person got booked, all 717 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: of their names, of their names, every newspapers like and 718 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: it is. Again, this does show you how the quarter 719 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: Aline police don't want people coming in from out of 720 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: town to funk with people who live in cort Aline. 721 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: That's not a them being woke. They like nobody no 722 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: cops like that sort of ship. Yeah, yeah, like like 723 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: this yeah, yeah, these guys are these guys are at 724 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: the hometown fascist right, like they're they're fine with Yeah, 725 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: they're finely exactly Biblical basis award dude, just like yeah, 726 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,280 Speaker 1: but these are like, these are weird out of town fascists. 727 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, cops, I don't know there. Yeah, And 728 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: it's they're very territorial. One of the one of the 729 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: ways you can see the territoriality is like the first 730 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 1: thing the quarter Aline police do is be like, oh, 731 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: we're going to give everyone's name and where they live, 732 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: Like we're doing that immediately. And of course the backlash 733 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: to that from the fascist has been that now bunch 734 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: of fascists are doxing and calling in death threats to 735 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: Quarterline cops. Um. Which again there's this open question of like, 736 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: are any of these charges gonna stick for Patriot Front 737 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: The fact that an organized flood of death threats is 738 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: going in for the police charging them is not good 739 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: for their cases. Oh no, they're just they're just it's like, guys, guys, 740 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: some free cop advice for me. Cops don't like getting 741 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: death threats, so that that really makes them angry. Yeah. Um, 742 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: so that's funny. I don't know what else to say 743 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: about it. Uh, it is pretty funny. Um. There's aspect 744 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 1: again the broader problem of there were a bunch of 745 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: dudes with a RS showing up to to threaten um 746 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: a pride gathering was not fun, although also a lot 747 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: of folks showed up to defend and support those people. Um. 748 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: And I think I think also, like from from what 749 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm from, they're putting this is like one of the 750 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: largest Pride events we've ever had, so like I think 751 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: brought out people. Yeah, yeah, people, people aren't being like 752 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: as an intimidation tactic. It's not working. It does not 753 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: have worked. Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's worked. It's 754 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: it's it's working in so far as it's it's you know, 755 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: it's further radicalizing the right. But like it's not. It 756 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: hasn't gotten to the point where, like I don't know, 757 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: people like it hasn't gone to the point where like 758 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: these things just are like Pride events just aren't happening 759 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: because there because the threat is great enough. So yeah, 760 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: and I I would say, broadly speaking, if you kind 761 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: of look at all of the things that we saw 762 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: in the quarterlyin event, it's some more more positive signs. 763 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: The negative ones, um, the negative stuff is stuff that 764 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: we have seen a lot before. The militia ship um, 765 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: the folks rallying to defend those people, the people turning 766 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: up for the Pride event, Um, that's all positive. And 767 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: if we're the most prominent fascists at the event embarrassing themselves, 768 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: like that's positive. So I am I feel I I 769 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,280 Speaker 1: do feel like we were all worried over here about 770 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 1: how the event in Quarterline was going to go. I 771 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: feel really good about how it it went, which is 772 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: not too especially I know that there's folks from Quarterline. 773 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: They're not to minimize the problems and the threats faced, 774 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,919 Speaker 1: especially from people in Idaho, because boy, that is rough 775 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: territory to be organizing in defense of LGBT people. UM, 776 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 1: but I think, broadly speaking, more good news than bad 777 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: news from from Quarterline. So I wanna give our appreciation 778 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: and thanks to the folks who showed up in Quarterline 779 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: UM to support this event to confront the fascists. UM, 780 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 1: y'all are awesome and doing something difficult in a place 781 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: that needs you to be doing that, So thank you. 782 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: Come It Could Happen Here as a production of cool 783 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit 784 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: our website cool zone media dot com, or check us 785 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 1: out on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or 786 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 1: wherever you listen to podcasts. 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